[12:41] <robertknight> Riddell: ping
[07:30] <nixternal> Riddell: I need your libqt4* debs (4.3.0~beta1-0ubuntu2) in order to build
[07:34] <nixternal> nevermind :)
[07:53] <nixternal> Riddell: I am having issues here. libqt4-dev is 4.2.3* and the libqt4-core-*, *dev-kdecopy, *gui-kdecopy, *sql-kdecopy, and qt3support-kdecopy are all 4.3.0~beta1
[09:03] <nixternal> good mornin' Spain!
[09:03] <nixternal> hiya Hobbsee and allee
[09:05] <Hobbsee> morning!
[09:05] <Hobbsee> yay, wifi :)
[09:05] <Hobbsee> hiya nixternal :)
[09:05] <nixternal> hehe
[09:05] <nixternal> any kde stuff today?
[09:06] <nixternal> if you see Riddell, kick him in the shin and let him know I am having libqt4-dev issues with the kde4 stuff and kdelibs5-dev not wanting to play nice
[09:06] <nixternal> a combination of old libqt4* packages and some new 4.3.0~beta packages
[09:06] <Hobbsee> think so
[09:06] <Hobbsee> we didnt have wifi today, so we dont have the major schedule yet
[09:06] <nixternal> ahh
[09:06] <Hobbsee> i cant really yell over there - dont think sabdfl would like it
[09:06] <nixternal> ya, I was kind of hoping it would have been up earlier so I could see it
[09:07] <nixternal> tell sabdfl "nixternal said so!" ;)
[09:07] <Hobbsee> hah
[09:07] <nixternal> don't think he knows who I am, so it is safe ;)
[09:08] <nixternal> someone in Spain (manchicken) by me some Ponche Rum please
[09:08] <nixternal> s/by/buy
[09:08] <Hobbsee> heh
[09:08] <Hobbsee> not sure if he's on irc
[09:08] <Riddell> nixternal: get rid of qt4 packages
[09:08] <Riddell> use -kdecopy
[09:09] <nixternal> I have the kdecopy ones
[09:09] <nixternal> but when it gets to the kdelibs5-dev, it dies out saying it will not install libqt4-* and says it is the old feisty version and not the beta version
[09:10] <Riddell> err, I fixed that
[09:11] <Riddell> Depends: kdelibs5 (= 3.90.1-0ubuntu1), libqt4-dev-kdecopy
[09:11] <nixternal> I am booting up my chroot box really quick
[09:12] <Riddell> what depends do you see on it?
[09:13] <nixternal> ARGH!
[09:13] <nixternal> libqt4-dev
[09:13] <nixternal> so that should be libqt4-dev-kdecopy ;)
[09:14] <Riddell> did I upload the wrong one?
[09:14] <nixternal> no no, I am talking the packages you haven't built yet
[09:14] <nixternal> so I need to change them to -kdecopy as well
[09:15] <Riddell> oh, yes
[09:15] <Riddell> sorry, should have said
[09:15] <Riddell> debuild -nc is your friend
[09:15] <nixternal> hehe
[09:15] <Riddell> no need to recompile everything
[09:15] <nixternal> I will try that and see how my gpg key is rocking
[09:15] <Riddell> you don't need a gpg key
[09:16] <Riddell> that's only needed if you're uploading to ubuntu archive
[09:31] <nixternal> crashes out on obj-x86_64-linux-gnu
[09:32] <Riddell> in which way?
[09:32] <nixternal> make[1] : *** [all]  Error 2
[09:32] <nixternal> make[1] : Leaving directory `/home/nixternal/kde4/kdegames/kde4games-3.90.1/obj-x86_64-linux-gnu'
[09:32] <nixternal> make: *** [debian/stamp-makefile-build]  Error 2
[09:32] <nixternal> debuild: fatal error at line 1228:
[09:33] <nixternal> make[3] : *** No rule to make target `/usr/lib64/libbz2.so', needed by `lib/libkdegames.so.5.0.0'.  Stop.
[09:34] <nixternal> fixing that now
[09:35] <nixternal> next time I will read, granted it is 2:30am and I only have 1 eye open
[09:35] <Riddell> apt-get install bzip2
[09:36] <nixternal> libbz2-dev
[09:36] <nixternal> i have bzip2
[09:37] <Riddell> nixternal: are you on an amd64?
[09:37] <nixternal> yes
[09:37] <Riddell> ok, phew
[09:37] <nixternal> hehe, I had to switch over because you started on 64
[09:37] <Riddell> I realised I never thought about that :)
[09:37] <Riddell> yeah, probably a bad idea
[09:37] <nixternal> I seen the amd64 builds from the get go
[09:38] <Riddell> do you have /usr/lib64/libbz2.so?
[09:38] <nixternal> I do now
[09:38] <nixternal> it is chugging along
[09:38] <Riddell> you need to start compiling all over
[09:38] <Riddell> well, maybe you don't actually
[09:39] <nixternal> [ 45% ] 
[09:39] <nixternal> devinitely a very good sign
[09:42] <fdoving> yay.. kvm performance improvements. kvm is cool.
[09:42] <nixternal> grr
[09:44] <fdoving> nixternal: don't you just love compiling? :)
[09:44] <nixternal> fdoving: yes I do, it makes me fell like I am doing something
[09:44] <fdoving> :)
[09:44] <fdoving> good thing cmake is so much better than auto*
[09:45] <nixternal> but I have the split windows in yakuake, so I have irssi here in a bigger split, and 2 instances of my chroot going in a seperate split building out
[09:45] <nixternal> OMG!@! DIE
[09:45] <nixternal> it got all the way down to the end and bobmed
[09:45] <nixternal> debian/tmp//usr/lib/kde4/lib/kde4/
[09:45] <nixternal> no such file or directory...no duh
[09:48] <crimsun> you love ccache.  No really, you do.
[09:53] <nixternal> ooh, I can listen to the KDE one
[09:59] <nixternal> Hobbsee: if you are inthe KDE one, which I am sure you are, tell Adrian to quit breaking kpilot! it makes testing portability around here a pain :)
[10:00] <nixternal> hahaha
[10:01] <manchicken> Are you only on a read-only phone line?
[10:01] <nixternal> ya, my mic crackles a little bit
[10:01] <nixternal> I am going to go buy a new one today
[10:01] <Hobbsee> you can probably use it anyway
[10:02] <Hobbsee> mute when you're not talking
[10:02] <manchicken> Sing for us Richard.
[10:02] <nixternal> dude, I am building KDE4!!! leave me alone
[10:03] <nixternal> I would like to know why someone didn't introduce me to debuild -nc before, crimsun that is your fault!
[10:03] <crimsun> I /never/ recommend "no clean" when you're building for production.
[10:04] <nixternal> hehe
[10:04] <crimsun> that would be akin to saying, "Sure, just leave any possibility of cruft just lying about in the build dirs"
[10:05] <nixternal> I did notice it filled up debian/ rather quickly
[10:06] <manchicken> nixternal: Um... debuild -nc is fscking sweet.  We assumed everybody used it.
[10:07] <nixternal> I am old school
[10:07] <nixternal> dpkg-buildpackage
[10:07] <nixternal> or doitnow $1
[10:08] <nixternal> did I just hear strigi by default?
[10:11] <manchicken> Yeah.
[10:11] <nixternal> sweetness
[10:11] <manchicken> Speak your mind.
[10:12] <nixternal> we need to get strigi to search documentation and get rid of that junk htdig stuff
[10:12] <manchicken> You really should say this.
[10:12] <nixternal> I think Phil Rodriguez is working with the devs though to get a plugin for that, I need to chat with him about that
[10:12] <manchicken> I'm a terrible microphone.
[10:12] <nixternal> manchicken: we are working upstream with it for KDE4 docs
[10:13] <nixternal> no need to say this to the world
[10:13] <Hobbsee> nixternal: i look ofrward to this.
[10:13] <nixternal> Hobbsee: as do i, you know how much I love htdig
[10:13] <Hobbsee> yep
[10:14] <nixternal> voip this time around isn't the best, you all sound like drunken robots, I don't know if I should laugh or cry of fear
[10:14] <Hobbsee> heh
[10:15] <manchicken> nixternal: You should assume the fetal position in some dark closet and piss yourself in horror.
[10:16] <nixternal> I did that yesterday, time for something new
[10:16] <nixternal> manchicken: you better bring back a couple bottle of Ponche damnit
[10:18] <nixternal> OK, sleep time!
[10:18] <nixternal> see ya'll in a few hours
[10:22] <manchicken> Ponche?
[10:30] <Hobbsee> nixternal: you're building kde4 for which release?
[10:44] <_StefanS_> hey
[10:44] <_StefanS_> Hobbseeee
[10:44] <_StefanS_> hey manchicken
[10:44] <manchicken> Howdy.
[10:44] <_StefanS_> manchicken: are you still in spain?
[10:45] <manchicken> Yup.
[10:46] <_StefanS_> I will try to listen in on the kde4 system settings thing
[10:46] <manchicken> Groovy.
[10:46] <Hobbsee> hi _StefanS_!
[10:47] <_StefanS_> manchicken: yea, I will write here in the channel if I need to say anything... My microphone doesn't work that great, and I'm on work ;)
[10:47] <_StefanS_> manchicken: hope that will be okay
[10:47] <manchicken> Righto.
[10:48] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, ask tonio if we're pushing for green this time
[10:48] <imbrandon> :)
[10:49] <Hobbsee> :P
[10:49] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: kwwii isnt here (yet)
[10:49] <imbrandon> and tell him to get on IRC
[10:49] <imbrandon> is the session over? i have to disconnect
[10:50] <Hobbsee> yeah, think so
[10:50] <Hobbsee> we're getting kicked out
[10:58] <Riddell> everyone say hi to doc__ (== Cristo)
[10:58] <Riddell> doc__: no augustin today?
[10:59] <doc__> hello
[10:59] <doc__> Riddell: yup, at 3 pm
[10:59] <Riddell> after siesta :)
[10:59] <doc__> hehe may be :) nah, he went with gonzalo to visit schools using guadalinex project
[11:01] <doc_> urg... unstable network
[11:02] <doc_> < doc__> hehe may be :) nah, he went with gonzalo to visit schools using guadalinex project
[11:02] <doc_> that's the last I said
[11:04] <imbrandon> heya doc__
[11:04] <doc__> imbrandon: hello
[11:08] <imbrandon> http://wiki.kde.org/tiki-index.php?page=System%20Settings
[11:09] <doc__> mf
[11:12] <_StefanS_> manchicken: someone is breathing hard into the microphone
[11:12] <Jucato> pfft... uds people... :P
[11:12] <_StefanS_> hehe :)
[11:12] <imbrandon> i am on mute when i'm not talking
[11:13] <_StefanS_> imbrandon: alright
[11:13] <manchicken> It may be the air.
[11:13] <_StefanS_> yep think so
[11:17] <doc__> grr...
[11:17] <_StefanS_> sqllte?
[11:18] <imbrandon> right on, sounds perfect Riddell
[11:18] <[ade] > imbrandon: are you here? hobbsee is l .. ooking for you
[11:18] <imbrandon> thats what i was trying to get at
[11:18] <imbrandon> [ade] , no i'm on SIP
[11:18] <_StefanS_> I think there should be a possibility to leave privileged user mode in the systemsettings as well
[11:19] <[ade] > imbrandon: hobbsee says that she wants the build scripts, now that you're here
[11:19] <[ade] > for konversation, and preferably to appropriate to kde4 builds
[11:19] <imbrandon> [ade] , build scripts? and do i know you be another name /
[11:19] <imbrandon> ?
[11:19] <[ade] > (Hobbsee stole the machine)
[11:19] <Jucato> adrian de groot :)
[11:19] <Jucato> adriaan* sorry :)(
[11:19] <imbrandon> build scripts ?
[11:20] <imbrandon> for ?
[11:20] <[ade] > imbrandon: what happened to those old scripts that you had, that arent on the build machine anymore
[11:20] <[ade] > the konversation nightly builds
[11:20] <imbrandon> ahhh, i'll scp them to the buildd today
[11:20] <imbrandon> ( aurora )
[11:20] <[ade] > can you email them to me?
[11:20] <[ade] > (me being hobbsee)
[11:20] <imbrandon> sure when i get home ( like + 5 hours )
[11:20] <[ade] > sigh
[11:20] <imbrandon> heh
[11:20] <[ade] > will you actually do it?
[11:20] <imbrandon> sure, but why ?
[11:21] <imbrandon> thety are ugly lol
[11:21] <imbrandon> they*
[11:21] <[ade] > (cant you do it now, as i'ts kubuntu work, and you were just listening to the conference?
[11:21] <[ade] > true - but they might give me a starting point on how best to do them
[11:21] <imbrandon> well they are on my home workstation, thats not online publicly
[11:21] <imbrandon> so i cant get to them
[11:21] <[ade] > right
[11:21] <imbrandon> i could probably write new ones real fast
[11:22] <[ade] > thta'd be good.  *shrug*
[11:22] <imbrandon> they were just basic cron scripts
[11:22] <_StefanS_> manchicken: so what is next ?
[11:22] <imbrandon> to grab svn and repack the tar
[11:22] <[ade] > i'm not sure exactly what's used, etc.  but that'd help
[11:22] <imbrandon> kk
[11:22] <manchicken> It looks like a KDE4 port of system settings is in order.
[11:22] <[ade] > yeah, i thought that's what you might be using
[11:22] <[ade] > manchicken: yay - hwere are you?
[11:22] <_StefanS_> manchicken: okay, did you get my suggestion ?
[11:23] <imbrandon> Riddell, who is working on the port to kde4 for our systemsettings
[11:23] <[ade] > imbrandon: anywya, when you write it, or get back, whichever is first, please email me the result :)
[11:23] <imbrandon> i would like to help, but i'm still trying to get my head arround the new libs
[11:23] <imbrandon> [ade] , sure hobbsee@ ?\
[11:23] <[ade] > fair enough
[11:23] <[ade] > yep
[11:23] <imbrandon> kk
[11:23] <manchicken> [ade] : Oh hell yeah.
[11:27] <imbrandon> btw who am i talking to ?
[11:27] <_StefanS_> damn chairs
[11:27] <_StefanS_> just lost an ear there..
[11:29] <Jucato> imbrandon: I think you were talking to hobbsee who was using adriaan's computer
[11:29] <imbrandon> yea , i'm at work and wasent muted
[11:29] <imbrandon> Jucato, i ment on sip, it was manchicken
[11:29] <Jucato> ah :)
[11:29] <manchicken> No no no.  I'm in spain.  I should /nick
[11:29] <hombre-pollo> Nah
[11:30] <_StefanS_> manchicken: is there an agenda somewhere for the meeting?
[11:30] <imbrandon> ok i have to get off sip for ~30 minutes , manchicken i'll get with you later about the port , ok ?
[11:33] <manchicken> Righto.
[11:33] <manchicken> _StefanS_: http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/uds-sevilla/
[11:34] <_StefanS_> manchicken: thanks
[11:38] <manchicken> imbrandon: Check this out: http://techbase.kde.org/Development/Tutorials/KDE4_Porting_Guide
[12:02] <fdoving> manchicken: did you start a branch of systemsettings for porting?
[12:04] <manchicken> Not yet.  It looks like there's one in KDE svn.
[12:04] <manchicken> I may get to use my kde svn commit bit yet!
[12:04] <Jucato> wow manchicken has kde svn commit access? :D
[12:05] <manchicken> I think I still do.
[12:06] <manchicken> I got it almost a year ago for working with kopete.
[12:06] <Jucato> ooh wow :)
[01:37] <_StefanS_> Riddell: ping?
[01:38] <Riddell> hi _StefanS_
[01:38] <_StefanS_> Riddell: hey, I know you have been busy
[01:38] <_StefanS_> Riddell: I was just glad that I have fixed the logout stuff now (atleast I hope - crossing fingers)
[01:39] <_StefanS_> Riddell: You didn't have a chance of looking at it yet I imagine..
[01:45] <Riddell> _StefanS_: no, did you e-mail me?
[01:45] <_StefanS_> Riddell: yep, at 23:59 last night (or something :)
[02:03] <doc__> hi
[02:03] <Tm_T> hello
[02:04] <Riddell> _StefanS_: I see it, won't be able to get to it this week though
[02:04] <doc__> Riddell: agustin is back
[02:04] <doc__> Riddell: he is now having lunch :)
[02:05] <|infinity|> hmm ... should i report a quite funny amarok bug here or in launchpad? :)
[02:07] <manchicken> imbrandon: ping
[02:08] <imbrandon> pong
[02:08] <imbrandon> |infinity|, you can both in here and LP
[02:09] <|infinity|> the bug is: if i have my USB2 soundcard unplugged i get an error message for every song in my playlist
[02:09] <Riddell> |infinity|: bugs.kde.org if it's an upstream issue
[02:09] <_StefanS_> Riddell: thats fine
[02:09] <_StefanS_> Riddell: now you have it
[02:10] <|infinity|> its more an alsa issue
[02:10] <|infinity|> like all the other problems you have with alsa and usb sound cards ...
[02:11] <manchicken> imbrandon: You're the packager of libmtp/
[02:11] <manchicken> ?
[02:11] <imbrandon> manchicken, yes
[02:11] <manchicken> How often do you refresh that package?
[02:11] <imbrandon> and i i have a ITP in debian also
[02:12] <imbrandon> manchicken, whenever upstream does, but i need to make an new upload this week
[02:12] <imbrandon> why whats up?
[02:12] <manchicken> I think there's quite a few new supported devices in libmtp that aren't yet in the repos.
[02:13] <manchicken> Creative Zen V (Plus)? is one of them.
[02:13] <manchicken> Just noticed because someone complained on kubuntu-users
[02:13] <imbrandon> zen support is in another lib, but i'll take a look this week when i upload
[02:13] <imbrandon> ( and possibly backport it )
[02:13] <manchicken> Someone suggested that they just build a source package for libmtp and gnomad2, and I just can't help but cringe at that.
[02:13] <manchicken> Zen V uses MTP IIRC
[02:14] <manchicken> I know what you're talking about... but I think Creative completely went head-first into MTP.
[02:14] <imbrandon> maybe the V does , havent looked
[02:14] <imbrandon> but if it uses MTP it should work now
[02:14] <manchicken> Hmm....
[02:14] <imbrandon> anyhow yea i'll poke at it here thisafternoon actualy
[02:15] <imbrandon> ahh yes
[02:15] <imbrandon> it is supported in libmtp
[02:15] <imbrandon> Creative Technology Zen V 0x041e 0x4150
[02:15] <manchicken> I'll ask the guy what other things he installed as a result of installing gnomad2
[02:15] <imbrandon> i'll refresh it today
[02:15] <manchicken> Okay, so he probably just updated libmtp
[02:15] <manchicken> Those MTP folks just scream.
[02:16] <manchicken> Most of their fixes are just modifying the device support information though.
[02:16] <imbrandon> basicly it will work without those
[02:16] <manchicken> I was on their mailing list for a while when I was writing the Device::MTP Perl module.  That mailing list gets a lot of traffic.
[02:16] <imbrandon> device info, it will just show as unknown
[02:17] <manchicken> Will amarok know how to handle that though?
[02:17] <imbrandon> shouldnt care
[02:18] <manchicken> That systemsettings tree in KDE svn looks like it's still active on the kde4 port front.
[02:18] <manchicken> Adrian built it and ran it, but it doesn't seem to show much more information than kconsole.
[02:18] <imbrandon> kcontrol?
[02:18] <manchicken> Thank you.
[02:18] <manchicken> Sorry, I'm still quite the space cadet.
[02:18] <imbrandon> :)
[02:19] <imbrandon> brb i'll see if this compiles cleanly
[02:19] <manchicken> Righto.
[02:21] <GNUro> Hello!
[02:22] <GNUro> Can i use the kde4 packaged in kubuntu to porting my app to KDE4?
[02:22] <GNUro> Version: 3.80.3-0ubuntu5
[02:24] <imbrandon> GNUro, sure
[02:24] <GNUro> imbrandon: ok, thnx.
[02:46] <imbrandon> manchicken, compiles fine, seems to work ok, i'll upload it to gutsy now(ish) and work on a backport later today
[02:46] <Riddell> proofreaders needed: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuGutsyPlan
[02:47] <Riddell> thanks
[02:47] <manchicken> Okie dokie.
[02:48] <manchicken> imbrandon: ept/manager.tcc includes <ept/config.h> which does not exist.  It doesn't seem to be needing it either.  Is there some reason why that was left in there?
[02:48] <imbrandon> adept stuff ? no idea, i stay way way way away from that
[02:48] <imbrandon> :)
[02:49] <Hobbsee> Riddell: so kde4 in main for gutsy?
[02:49] <Hobbsee> or still universe?
[02:49] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, dosent really matter , post feisty universe is on by default
[02:49] <Riddell> Hobbsee: universe
[02:49] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: it does - support
[02:49] <Hobbsee> Riddell: right
[02:49] <manchicken> imbrandon: apt-get is blaming you for the libept package I think.
[02:49] <Riddell> it's not supported
[02:50] <imbrandon> manchicken, libept is no where near mine , libmtp and libnjb are
[02:50] <imbrandon> libept is adept
[02:50] <manchicken> Nevermind, that's mornfall.
[02:50] <imbrandon> yea
[02:51] <Hobbsee> Riddell: looks good to me
[02:51] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, yea not supported by canonical but when was the last time on the forums/irc you heard someone say "hey thats universe its not supported hehe )
[02:51] <imbrandon> "
[02:51] <imbrandon> Riddell, looks good
[02:51] <Riddell> groovy
[02:51] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: the forums never were known for correct info
[02:51] <Hobbsee> but yeah - it is, but not commercially
[02:52] <ScottK> I think that defining who is going to deal with the KDE4 bugs would be a very good thing.
[02:52] <imbrandon> Riddell, well except for the "suse branding replaced with generic branding" , s/generic/kubuntu/g
[02:52] <Jucato> Hobbsee: although most users actually don't really care/know/bother to know the technical difference between main and universe... they do know the difference between multiverse and everything else, though ;)
[02:52] <imbrandon> thats my only gripe
[02:53] <Hobbsee> Jucato: true - i was meaning commercial support
[02:53] <Hobbsee> ScottK: true.  that's you.
[02:53] <ScottK> Well a lot of people are going to be disappointed then...
[02:55] <marseillai_> Riddell: kubuntu kiosktool has been give up ?
[02:55] <Hobbsee> ScottK: people tend to have unreasonable expectations, yes
[02:55] <Hobbsee> hiya marseillai_
[02:55] <marseillai_> morning Hobbsee
[02:55] <ScottK> If Gutsy gets released with a KDE4 rc with final soon to follow, lots of people will run the latest shiny new thing.  It's not an insignficant question who is going to deal with it.  I don't think you could really do a lot even with bug triage if you weren't running it.
[02:56] <marseillai_> Hobbsee: you said it has benn give up ??
[02:56] <Hobbsee> ScottK: the kde team.
[02:56] <Hobbsee> ScottK: er, kubuntu team
[02:56] <Hobbsee> like usual
[02:57] <ScottK> OK.  It seemed to be a point of contention with the Feisty packages, so I think we ought to explicitly say that then.
[02:57] <Riddell> marseillai_: no
[02:58] <marseillai_> Riddell: nice because i don't really care about this feature but it's often ask on forum for school or cyber coffee ....
[02:58] <marseillai_> Hobbsee: if you have time.... i've finish my smplayer package and need one more revu : http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5063
[02:59] <ScottK> Riddell: For use cases, Is "Bob has real work to get done so he knows he better run KDE3, but wants to be able to easily switch back and forth so he can play with the KDE4 crack in his spare time" a supported use case?
[03:00] <manchicken> Riddell: What about... J1mmy wants to skin KDE easier so that he can show all his n00b friends what a 1337 h4xx0r he is.
[03:00] <Riddell> ScottK: yes, should be
[03:00] <Riddell> manchicken: slap
[03:00] <manchicken> @leet ouch.
[03:00] <ubotu> 0uch.
[03:00] <ScottK> Riddell: Then I think it should be added.  Want me to do it (I won't say KDE4 crack on the wiki)?
[03:01] <Riddell> ScottK: go ahead
[03:01] <robertknight> Riddell: Will the KDE 4 packages in Gutsy be updated after release? ( with things other than just newer betas or bug fixes )
[03:02] <Riddell> robertknight: we'll continue to do backports on kubuntu.org
[03:03] <manchicken> Anybody seen Tonio_?
[03:03] <robertknight> Riddell: But if people want them, that still means going to kubuntu.org, getting the repository details, plugging them into /etc/apt/sources.list and so forth?
[03:04] <ScottK> Is wiki.kubuntu.org really slow today or is it just me?
[03:04] <manchicken> Everything seems really slow to me.
[03:04] <Riddell> robertknight: yes, since they're unsupported you can only get them if you know what you're doing
[03:05] <manchicken> (which is good)
[03:06] <robertknight> I have objections to that approach though, since it makes it more difficult for less-technical users to get involved with the testing cycle.
[03:06] <Hobbsee> ScottK: you moved to australia without knowing
[03:06] <marseillai_> robertknight: less technical don't have to use this packages :)
[03:06] <ScottK> Heh
[03:07] <marseillai_> they must stay with supported packages until they know how to repair their system if something is break
[03:07] <Hobbsee> the connections are *much* faster when not in au
[03:07] <marseillai_> imho
[03:07] <Hobbsee> marseillai_: yes, but they dont.
[03:08] <marseillai_> Hobbsee: agree but it's not a reason to make it easier for people to use this packages
[03:08] <fdoving> the topic is kde4 in universe or not?
[03:08] <robertknight> marseillai_: The basis problem there then is that you cannot have two versions of a package installed at the same time.
[03:08] <manchicken> robertknight: I'm not sure we should have less technical people testing.  Testing can completely fudge a build, and if they're less technical then it would be more difficult for them to recover.
[03:09] <manchicken> robertknight: Also, less technical people may not understand the risk involved in running less than stable versions of code.'
[03:09] <Hobbsee> robertknight: there are ways and means
[03:09] <robertknight> manchicken: The problem then is that we miss out on testing by people who have domain expertise.
[03:09] <ScottK> Riddell: Is the encryption stuff I want to try to do significant enough to warrant a mention?
[03:10] <manchicken> robertknight: I'm not going to disagree with you there.
[03:10] <manchicken> robertknight: But I do think that less technical people take more of a risk during testing.
[03:10] <robertknight> For example, new kdeedu programs benefit from testing by people who work with children ( ie. teachers )
[03:10] <Riddell> ScottK: sure
[03:10] <manchicken> If we put it out for all to see it would be more possible for folks to install it by accident as well.
[03:11] <marseillai_> ScottK: what is this encryption stuuf ?
[03:11] <marseillai_> is it a solve for kopete bug ?
[03:11] <ScottK> I have to agree with manchicken.  I routinely dig myself out of holes today that would have required a complete reinstall for me a year ago.
[03:11] <ScottK> marseillai_: No, S/MIME encryption and decryption support by default for Kmail.
[03:12] <fdoving> make a livecd for testing.
[03:12] <fdoving> there are already kde4 livecds.
[03:12] <robertknight> I managed to download a build of Amarok from kubuntu.org which nearly defrauded me ( by overcharging on a Magnatunes purchase ), so I do understand about being carefull with unstable builds.
[03:12] <ScottK> marseillai_: Spec is about design changes as I understand it, not fix Bug #x.
[03:12] <fdoving> it's not like KDE4 will delete all your files and blowup your computer or anything.
[03:14] <marseillai_> ScottK: assuming i make a debdiff to that : http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=134907 is it possible to include it in feisty ?
[03:14] <ubotu> KDE bug 134907 in Cryptography Plugin "No longer able to decrypt GPG IMs" [Normal,Resolved: fixed] 
[03:15] <ScottK> marseillai_: Looking
[03:15] <fdoving> marseillai_: make a debdiff, request and SRU and see. it's a trival patch.
[03:16] <marseillai_> fdoving: yes i've see it should be easy
[03:16] <fdoving> !SRU > marseillai_
[03:16] <marseillai_> but i would like to know before if it has a chance to be accepted ?
[03:16] <Hobbsee> bug 83438
[03:16] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 83438 in usplash "No Progress bar on bootsplash" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83438
[03:17] <fdoving> marseillai_: if it's not accepted you can always put it online somewhere and let others get it and use it, those who are annoyed by the bug i mean.
[03:17] <ScottK> marseillai_: Kopete is in main, so ask Riddell.
[03:17] <marseillai_> oki
[03:17] <ScottK> Seems reasonable to me though.
[03:17] <marseillai_> i'll do the debdiff
[03:20] <ScottK> Riddell: I do think you ought to add a statememnt that the KDE4 packages with be supported (to the extent they are) by Kubuntu and not MOTU.  Is there going to be a separate IRC channel for KDE4 (#kubuntu-kde4 or some such)?  Basically, I think it needs a paragraph on support for KDE4 in Gutsy.
[03:20] <manchicken> Adept 2.1 is officially evil.
[03:21] <mhb> good afternoon all
[03:21] <ScottK> Good morning mhb.
[03:21] <manchicken> Thanks, I needed that.  Now, where's the open bar?
[03:21] <mhb> how's uds?
[03:21] <ScottK> manchicken: What TZ are you in?
[03:21] <manchicken> mhb: Jetlagged like a mother-fscker :)
[03:21] <manchicken> ScottK: Right now?
[03:21] <ScottK> Yeah
[03:21] <manchicken> ScottK: UTC+0200
[03:21] <ScottK> Ahh.
[03:21] <manchicken> I'm normally UTC-0500
[03:22] <ScottK> Should be no problem.
[03:22] <manchicken> Or UTC-0100
[03:22] <manchicken> So right now I'm coping with a 7-hour time difference :)
[03:22] <manchicken> It's 0822 where I live right now :)
[03:22] <ScottK> I would imagine finding an open bar in Chicago at 8AM is no problem either.
[03:22] <manchicken> ScottK: You'd be surprised.
[03:22] <manchicken> Chicago pretty much rolls up the sidewalk at 1800.
[03:24] <Hobbsee> apparently i'm running off magic
[03:24] <Hobbsee> UDS is *seriously* cool!
[03:25] <mhb> seriously cool? sound almost like an oxymoron to me
[03:25] <mhb> :o)
[03:25] <Hobbsee> mhb: apparently my battery has been removed,and i'm running on magic.
[03:25] <mhb> enjoy that Hobbsee - I have some studying to do, which is not that cool
[03:29] <manchicken> Hobbsee: Agreed.
[03:29] <ScottK> Riddell: I'd be willing to take a shot at adding the support paragraph if you want it.
[03:29] <Riddell> ScottK: ok
[03:36] <ScottK> Riddell: That's all my comments.  Thanks for the chance to review.
[03:37] <bddebian> Heya
[03:54] <lucky_lucas> Hi
[03:57] <Hobbsee> hiya
[03:58] <lucky_lucas> I was wondering if spec about konqueror can be placed in the launchpad or in bug.kde ?
[04:05] <lucky_lucas> Hobbsee: you're now at the uds ?
[04:11] <Riddell> ScottK: what needs to be done to include support for s/mime?
[04:11] <ScottK> Riddell: I don't know for sure yet.  I think it's a couple of main includsion requests and a bug fix or two.
[04:11] <ScottK> I think there is a gpgsm problem, but haven't had time to troubleshoot it fully.
[04:12] <ScottK> err...  That would be main inclusion requests.
[04:12] <ScottK> As I get it figured out, I will upate my spec with the details.
[04:13] <ScottK> I have an opensuse 10.1 installation that works on an alternate set of hard drives.  It may take me a bit to get there, but I'm reasonably confident I can do it.
[04:15] <Riddell> ScottK: the spec reviewers won't allow "figure it out as we go", I'll think up a working that should get through
[04:15] <ScottK> Riddell: That's basically where I am.  My plan is to install all the S/MIME related apps (e.g. Kleopatra), get it working with the kitchen sink approach, and then work back to the minimum set required to support.  The rest (almost certainly Kleopatra) can stay in Universe and be mentioned in thd docs as a bonus if you want it.
[04:16] <ScottK> Riddell: Thanks.  I know we have all the necessary piece parts.  It's just a question of figuring out how to assemble them correctly and consistently.
[04:17] <ScottK> And then defining the minimum useful set.
[04:20] <Riddell> sebas: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuGutsyGuidance
[04:21] <Riddell> hmm, I see no sebas
[04:25] <Hobbsee> yay, Tonio_
[05:26] <nixternal> No rule to make target `/usr/libstreamanalyzer.so' .... the strigi packages are installed but every package keeps bombing out on this
[06:20] <rdieter> hi, I'm trying to port/package guidance (power manager, in particular) for fedora, and I seem to be missing a few python modules for it's runtime:
[06:20] <rdieter> notify, tooltip.  I found something called pynotify (not sure if that's the same), but nothing for tooltip.  pointers?
[06:22] <ScottK> rdieter: I'd look at the dependencies in debian/control.  That should tell you.
[06:24] <rdieter> ScottK: http://packages.debian.org/stable/kde/kde-guidance-powermanager ?
[06:25] <rdieter> or http://packages.debian.org/stable/kde/kde-guidance ?
[06:27] <Riddell> hi rdieter
[06:27] <ScottK> rdieter: That second one looks like the build dependencies, the first is the run time dependencies.
[06:27] <Riddell> lovely to have you here :)
[06:27] <ScottK> Riddell will know for sure....
[06:27] <rdieter> Riddell: better late than never... :)
[06:28] <Riddell> rdieter: what's the error?
[06:28] <Riddell> rdieter: it's a runtime error?
[06:28] <rdieter> ImportError: No module named notify
[06:28] <rdieter> ImportError: No module named tooltip
[06:28] <rdieter> runtime
[06:29] <rdieter> missing python modules apparently (and my python-fu is sufficiently lacking)
[06:30] <Riddell> rdieter: oh, that's the ui files I think
[06:30] <Riddell> rdieter: yes, you have to compile the .ui files to .py at compile time
[06:31] <Riddell> rdieter: I don't think it's handled by the build system currently, so we just do it in the debian/ubuntu packaging
[06:31] <Riddell> install/kde-guidance-powermanager:: (cd powermanager; kdepyuic guidance_power_manager_ui.ui) (cd powermanager; kdepyuic tooltip.ui) (cd powermanager; kdepyuic notify.ui)
[06:31] <rdieter> Arg, ok. :)
[06:31] <Riddell> install/kde-guidance-powermanager:: (cd powermanager; kdepyuic guidance_power_manager_ui.ui) (cd powermanager; kdepyuic tooltip.ui) (cd powermanager; kdepyuic notify.ui)
[06:32] <Riddell> rdieter: I'd take a look at the debian/rules file for other stuff that has to be installed by hand and not by the build system
[06:35] <Riddell> http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/pkg-kde/kde-extras/guidance/trunk/debian/rules?op=file&rev=0&sc=0
[06:36] <Riddell> there's a bunch of stuff in there that the build system doesn't handle properly
[06:37] <rdieter> ok, thanks.   hopefully these hacks are temporary? ;)
[06:38] <Riddell> rdieter: I guess they shouldn't be too hard to fix, sime is the expert in that area though
[06:39] <Riddell> rdieter: you also need pykdeextensions too for the non powermanager guidance parts
[06:39] <Riddell> and they may have issues on red hat, in which case sebas is a good dude to poke
[06:40] <rdieter> I've got pykdeextensions already.
[06:46] <rdieter> Riddell: does kubuntu use any of the non-powermanager bits (or just powermanager)?
[06:47] <Riddell> rdieter: yes, all of them
[06:47] <rdieter> ok (just wondering if I should limit my packaging attempts to just powermanager or not).
[06:47] <Riddell> it's the UI for adding users, playing with init scripts, modifying xorg.conf and fstab
[06:48] <Riddell> whatever is useful to you
[06:48] <Riddell> and the modules havn't been tested outside of kubuntu for some time so there may be issues to fix (but they are designed to be as independent as possible of distro)
[06:48] <Riddell> ubuntu has also started using the displayconfig backend for xorg.conf
[06:52] <rdieter> thanks!
[07:41] <Riddell> proofreaders needed: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuSystemSettingsForKde4
[07:41] <Riddell> manchicken ^^
[07:43] <manchicken> Okay, so you just want it to play nice with Qt4/KDE4 using Qt3 namespace/
[07:43] <manchicken> that's not so hard to do.
[07:43] <manchicken> The tricky part is when you want to actually move it to using Qt4/KDE4 widgets.
[07:44] <manchicken> Because some of the classes simply don't exist beyond Qt3/KDE3.  heh
[07:44] <manchicken> This shouldn't be too difficult.
[07:45] <Riddell> manchicken: I was mostly too lazy to look up the proper qt 4 widget names, if you want to fill that in please do
[07:45] <manchicken> Ah.
[07:45] <manchicken> I don't know if iconview widgets are still the same.
[07:46] <Riddell> probably some model-view blah
[07:47] <Riddell> I wish qt 4 docs had a nice page of "here's the qt 3 widget, and here's how to do it in qt 4"
[07:48] <toma> http://doc.trolltech.com/4.2/porting4.html
[07:50] <Riddell> "New Qt applications should use QListWidget or its base class QListView instead, and call QListView::setViewMode(QListView::IconMode) to obtain an "icon view" look."
[07:50] <Riddell> well well, that was handy :)
[07:50] <Riddell> last time I looked at that page it entirely failed to tell me how to port my widget
[07:57] <nixternal> what package are the X libraries located in?
[09:04] <jovans> where can i see what changes gutsy will have sience feisty?
[09:05] <crimsun> do you want to see commits (i.e., uploads) or specs?
[09:05] <crimsun> for the former, see the gutsy-changes mailing list; for the latter, see https://blueprints.launchpad.net
[09:05] <jovans> no about generally changes features ....what for kde version will be and so on
[09:09] <ScottK> jovans: Still draft, but https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuGutsyPlan
[09:09] <jovans> will gutsy have in the Final Version KDE 4 or what are the plans for gutsy?
[09:09] <ScottK> jovans: See https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuGutsyPlan it's in there.
[09:09] <jovans> thank you
[09:10] <Tm_T> "weird, someone is singing 'r-t-f-m' outside"