[06:30] <mpt> Goooooooooooooooood afternoon Launchpadders!
[07:15] <ubotu> New bug: #112990 in launchpad-answers "Question URL shouldn't break when the question is retargeted" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112990
[09:25] <ubotu> New bug: #113011 in launchpad-answers "Question automatically expired after being open for only 23 hours" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/113011
[09:34] <carlos> morning
[09:43] <lifeless> moaning
[10:09] <harrisony> anyone here!?
[10:09] <jml> harrisony: yes!
[10:10] <harrisony> do you know how to make launchpad search inside the bug reports not just from the topic?
[10:11] <harrisony> its really getting painful searching through bugs looking for 1 line in them!
[10:22] <iGadget> hi
[10:22] <iGadget> can someone explain to me how I reopen a bug which has status 'fix released'?
[10:23] <iGadget> I'm trying to reopen #41831
[10:23] <mpt> harrisony, the bug search should already search bug descriptions, not just their summaries
[10:24] <harrisony> !bug 41381
[10:24] <mpt> iGadget, click on the first column in the row that says "Fix Released", and a section will expand including a menu for the bug's status
[10:24] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 41381 in Ubuntu "Wacom Graphire4 digitizer tablet doesnt work under dapper" [Medium,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/41381
[10:25] <iGadget> !bug 41831
[10:25] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 41831 in openoffice.org "Openoffice in dapper has difficulties to redraw menus and icons" [Medium,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/41831 - Assigned to Matthias Klose (doko)
[10:25] <harrisony> mpt: hmm
[10:25] <iGadget> ;)
[10:25] <iGadget> mpt: I'll try, thanks
[10:25] <harrisony> mpt:  does too ROFL! didnt for me before
[10:26] <mpt> There are some cases where search terms don't work, regardless of where they are
[10:26] <mpt> particularly if they have punctuation in them
[10:28] <iGadget> I wonder if the bug will pop up in my 'subscribed bugs' list now that the bug had been reopened...
[10:28] <iGadget> It didn't before :)
[10:28] <harrisony> i think the reason it didnt work is normally i am searching file paths (eg. /usr/lib/beryl/libthumbnail.so), do you know if there is a way to fix that
[10:28] <iGadget> and it does! Hurray :)
[10:28] <mpt> iGadget, that's bug 5977
[10:28] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 5977 in malone "Person Bugs page seems to be incomplete" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/5977
[10:30] <iGadget> mpt: well, I've also read reports that only 'open' bugs are listed, so it seems that status 'fix released' is not considered to be 'open' :)
[10:30] <iGadget> I don't know if 'fix released' also means 'fix applied to updates'...
[10:30] <iGadget> meaning I should already have the fix on my machine
[10:31] <mpt> That's what Fix Released means in theory, but not in practice
[10:34] <iGadget> mpt: I was afraid of that ;)
[10:34] <iGadget> 41831 is really annoying when you're trying to convince managment to consider Ubuntu on the corporate desktops...
[10:35] <harrisony> !bug  41831
[10:35] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 41831 in openoffice.org "Openoffice in dapper has difficulties to redraw menus and icons" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/41831 - Assigned to Matthias Klose (doko)
[10:35] <iGadget> "well... seems to me we should stick to MS office for now..."
[10:35] <mpt> I understand
[10:35] <mpt> but this is the wrong channel for *those* sort of complaints :-] 
[10:35] <harrisony> iGadget: crossover office makes Office work :D
[10:36] <iGadget> mpt: I know, I know... but I just need to express my frustrations, so thanks for listening ;)
[10:36] <iGadget> harrisony: I'd like to stay away from that whenever possible...
[10:37] <harrisony> iGadget: haha i dont use it but friends do and love it, at least they give back to wine unlike transgaming *looks at cedega with evil eyes*
[10:40] <iGadget> harrisony: could be just me, but I don't feel that with each new version of wine, more apps start working, quite the opposite actually.
[10:42] <doko> iGadget: do you see this on current Kubuntu and Ubuntu live CDs? (and btw, why are you discussing this on #launchpad?)
[10:42] <harrisony> iGadget: transgaming got a copy of wine and then ran off making there own version to support games, crossover office is like ubuntu & debian its a fork but gives back and works together
[10:45] <iGadget> doko: no, not on live cd's AFAIK. What you're saying is I shouldn't be discussing it here?
[10:47] <iGadget> harrisony: so you wouldn't mind downloading the latest cedega from cvs and use that instead of paying for it?
[10:47] <harrisony> iGadget: if i used cedega (i dont currently) i would try the cvs and if that didnt work i would use windows
[10:49] <doko> iGadget: #launchpad is a channel to develop and discuss launchpad, not ubuntu. so apparently it's a config problem / graphics driver problem on your side. find it and properly report it
[10:54] <iGadget> doko: sir yes sir! (and how am I possibly to find the source of my problem?!)
[10:55] <iGadget> harrisony: I just stopped playing windows-only games ;)
[10:56] <harrisony> iGadget: i dont play games
[10:56] <doko> iGadget: use a new user, use a reinstall, use a free graphics driver
[10:59] <iGadget> doko: it's all that - it's a brand new install with a brand new use, on a completely free graphics driver (intel 82852/855GM)
[11:00] <iGadget> doko: all I did was install both ubuntu-desktop and kubuntu-desktop
[11:00] <iGadget> (actually, the other way around)
[11:01] <iGadget> and, granted, I played with desktop-effects and beryl a little. But the problem remains when they're both turned off
[11:14] <zyga> kiko: hello
[01:10] <ubotu> New bug: #113036 in rosetta "Active translations without reviewers" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/113036
[01:25] <ubotu> New bug: #113040 in launchpad "Batch navigation appearance is inconsistent" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/113040
[01:27] <_Johny> Hello. Do I have to copy-paste those "<........>" fields to my translations?
[01:28] <harrisony> _Johny: can you give an example
[01:32] <_Johny> Yeah. look ---> http://rafb.net/p/6nuXcS78.html
[01:34] <harrisony> in rosetta (translating module of launchpad there is a small little page icon next to the string to translate press that and it copys it down then translate it
[01:40] <_Johny> I think I got that. Thank you
[03:58] <WebMaven_> SteveA: how about now?
[03:59] <SteveA> I'm very busy.  Perhaps email me.
[04:10] <ubotu> New bug: #113083 in launchpad "Pagetests cannot access librarian files" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/113083
[04:13] <robertj_> when a spec is marked as drafting and assigned to a sprint, does that pretty much mean it is done until the spring?
[04:13] <robertj_> err sprint
[04:14] <lifeless> not at all, it means that its currently being drafted
[04:15] <robertj_> lifeless: I wrote the spec, and no-one else has worked on it, so I'm not sure exactly why it went from new to drafting
[04:15] <lifeless> robertj_: are you at UDS?
[04:15] <robertj_> lifeless: no
[04:16] <lifeless> robertj_: then if the spec is slated for UDS, and folk hold a meeting, they'll move it to drafting if they dont want any further meetings.
[04:23] <robertj_> lifeless: aha, I didn't even know it was scheduled until now :)
[04:24] <robertj_> lifeless: shouldn't they have assigned a drafter?
[04:25] <lifeless> robertj_: I dont know what spec it is, so I really ccannoy comment. Aslo, #ubuntu-devel is the right place to talk about the specs for UDS
[04:26] <robertj_> lifeless: thanks
[04:30] <radix> Is there a way to get bug search query results in a text format?
[04:32] <shawarma> robertj_: We had a BOF about it. That's why it was changed.
[04:32] <shawarma> robertj_: Sorry. -> #ubuntu-devel
[04:32] <lifeless> radix: look at what bughelper does perhaps
[05:14] <xivulon> Hi all
[05:15] <xivulon> Can I raise attention on ticket 4676
[05:15] <xivulon> Hi was told it would be addressed in a week
[05:15] <xivulon> But it's still open
[05:27] <iGadget> xivulon: I guess everybody's busy... but I'll take a look
[05:29] <iGadget> xivulon: do you have a direct link to that ticket?
[05:29] <iGadget> I can't seem to find it in launchpad
[05:35] <xivulon> iGadget: https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/4676
[05:55] <ubotu> New bug: #113108 in launchpad "Pagination links look "funny"" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/113108
[06:15] <ubotu> New bug: #113026 in rosetta "Structure permissions doesn't allow file uploading for languages without a team" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/113026
[06:57] <xivulon> iGadget: did you get the link>
[07:20] <ubotu> New bug: #113125 in launchpad "Weird font in Swiftfox" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/113125
[10:01] <bashelier> hi, I perhaps have a problem with bzr/LP : I had uploaded a branch via bzr branch [...] , but about one week ago I tried to upload it, so I've use bzr get [...] , made the changes, and then made bzr commit, but one week after the is still no results il Launchpad
[10:01] <bashelier> the branch seems to haven't been uploaded, did I made something wrong with bzr ?
[10:01] <bashelier> (sorry for flood)
[10:10] <bashelier> LarstiQ: and what about now :)
[10:11] <LarstiQ> bashelier: slow typing
[10:14] <eichi> Hello, i have a small question to the launchpad translation part...if i list only the "untranslated" there are often many suggestions there...how can that be? and what can i do then? mark the "best" suggestion? where are they from? from others translations with the same content?
[10:18] <bashelier> LarstiQ: so don't have any idea ?
[10:19] <LarstiQ> bashelier: I do, but need to query back and forth, almost done eating
[10:22] <LarstiQ> so
[10:22] <LarstiQ> bashelier: you mention some things that confuse me
[10:22] <LarstiQ> bashelier: but the end result is to get an update copy of a branch on launchpad, right?
[10:23] <LarstiQ> up to date even
[10:23] <LarstiQ> bashelier: could you point me at the branch in question?
[10:23] <bashelier> LarstiQ: right
[10:23] <LarstiQ> (the launchpad location at least)
[10:23] <bashelier> LarstiQ: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~bashelier/wineui/dev
[10:23] <bashelier> is this one ok?
[10:25] <LarstiQ> not that hard to do ;) : https://launchpad.net/~bashelier/wineui/dev/
[10:25] <bashelier> ^^
[10:25] <LarstiQ> bashelier: it mentions it only has one commit at the moment, this would agree with your observation it hasn't updated, right?
[10:26] <bashelier> LarstiQ: it has been uploaded one week ago via bzr commit :/
[10:26] <LarstiQ> ah, but bzr commit usually doesn't upload anything
[10:26] <bashelier> LarstiQ: and bzr commit reported "branched 2 revisions"
[10:26] <LarstiQ> nor does it ever say that
[10:27] <LarstiQ> can we go over the flow of what you did to get to this point?
[10:27] <LarstiQ> Where did you originally get a branch, inited it yourself, or branched from somewhere else?
[10:28] <bashelier> LarstiQ: I uploaded the first commit from arthur@ada, bzr get it on an other machine, changed the code, and tried bzr commit
[10:28] <bashelier> LarstiQ: but the ssh keys were ok
[10:29] <LarstiQ> bashelier: you literally did 'bzr get https://launchpad.net/~bashelier/wineui/dev/' on the other machine, and then 'bzr commit' after changing some code?
[10:30] <bashelier> LarstiQ: hum couldn't say that I'm "very sure", but I think this is what I did
[10:30] <LarstiQ> ok
[10:30] <LarstiQ> bashelier: do you have access to that machine right now?
[10:31] <bashelier> LarstiQ: I do have access to arthur@ada and arthur@arthur right now
[10:31] <LarstiQ> great
[10:31] <LarstiQ> I think I already know what the issue is, but could you check what `bzr missing` reports on arthur?
[10:32] <bashelier> LarstiQ: I've deleted the dev dir, should I bzr get before ?
[10:33] <LarstiQ> you no longer have the branch you made the changes in?
[10:33] <LarstiQ> that would be the one to issue missing from
[10:33] <bashelier> LarstiQ: no, didn't keep it after commit...
[10:33] <LarstiQ> ah, that's a shame
[10:34] <LarstiQ> well then, we'll just go over the motions to make you familiar with bzr
[10:34] <LarstiQ> bashelier: go ahead and bzr get it again
[10:34] <LarstiQ> then make some changes, commit, and try `bzr missing`
[10:34] <LarstiQ> it should tell you that you have on revision more than the parent branch ( https://launchpad.net/~bashelier/wineui/dev)
[10:34] <bashelier> LarstiQ: ok, let's do that
[10:35] <LarstiQ> then, to get it on lp, `bzr push sftp://bazaar.launchpad.net/~bashelier/wineui/dev`. 
[10:35] <bashelier> LarstiQ: bzr get : Branched 1 revision(s)
[10:35] <LarstiQ> bashelier: good, that's as expected
[10:36] <bashelier> LarstiQ: now give me five minuts, I'm going to make some changes
[10:37] <LarstiQ> sure, go ahead
[10:40] <bashelier> LarstiQ: ok, now bzr commit ?
[10:40] <LarstiQ> bashelier: yes
[10:42] <bashelier> LarstiQ: Committed revision 2
[10:42] <bashelier> LarstiQ: now bzr push ?
[10:43] <LarstiQ> bashelier: exactly
[10:43] <LarstiQ> bashelier: for subsequent pushes you should be able to just do `bzr push` without the url, if not, do it with the url oncemore and add --remember
[10:44] <bashelier> LarstiQ: good to know
[10:46] <LarstiQ> bashelier: with this workflow you can publish your changes when you want, that may be after 1 commit, or after a week and doing 100 whilst traveling
[10:47] <LarstiQ> bashelier: if you want a more conventional centralized instead of a decentral workflow, see http://bazaar-vcs.org/Tutorials/CentralizedWorkflow
[10:47] <LarstiQ> which for launchpad translates to: mkdir -p ~/src/project; cd ~/src/project; bzr co sftp://bazaar.launchpad.net/~team/product/branch local-name; cd local-name; *hack*; bzr commit;
[10:48] <LarstiQ> and then your commit gets sent to launchpad at the moment you do it
[10:48] <bashelier> LarstiQ: awesome, thanks a lot :)
[10:48] <LarstiQ> which is fine in some cases, but not in others. For you to decide how you want to work.
[10:48] <LarstiQ> bashelier: pleased to be of help, and I type much faster when I'm not trying to eat, so thanks for your patience ;)
[10:49] <bashelier> LarstiQ: hum SSH keys problem for bzr push
[10:49] <bashelier> LarstiQ: I can understand, I'm also eating during computing XD
[10:50] <LarstiQ> bashelier: one thing people often overlook is what account they are accessing launchpad with
[10:50] <LarstiQ> an explicit sftp://bashelier@bazaar.launchpad.net/... helps in that case
[10:50] <bashelier> LarstiQ: hum I don't understand, I do have a ssh for each machine I have, but can't push
[10:51] <bashelier> LarstiQ: ok :)
[10:51] <LarstiQ> if that isn't the problem, could you pastebin it?
[10:51] <LarstiQ> ubotu: pastebin
[10:51] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[10:51] <bashelier> LarstiQ: http://pastebin.ca/476006
[10:51] <LarstiQ> or that :)
[10:51] <bashelier> ^^
[10:52] <LarstiQ> exactly
[10:52] <LarstiQ> you're trying to push as the user 'arthur'
[10:52] <LarstiQ> but judging from the launchpad url you pasted earlier, your account there is 'bashelier'
[10:53] <LarstiQ> bashelier: so could your try with bashelier@ ?
[10:53] <bashelier> LarstiQ: oh ur right, I've changed my nick a couple of days ago
[10:54] <bashelier> Enter passphrase for key '/home/arthur/.ssh/id_dsa':
[10:54] <bashelier> LarstiQ: :D
[10:54] <bashelier> Pushed up to revision 2
[10:55] <LarstiQ> yay experience :)
[10:56] <LarstiQ> bashelier: now, if you check https://launchpad.net/~bashelier/wineui/dev/ again, you'll see a second revision has landed
[10:56] <bashelier> LarstiQ: it does, so thanks a lot dude ;)
[10:56] <LarstiQ> np
[10:57] <LarstiQ> bashelier: if you have more bzr questions, you're also welcome in #bzr
[10:57] <bashelier> new let's hack all night mouhahaha
[10:57] <LarstiQ> hehe :)
[10:57] <bashelier> LarstiQ: ok, I'll remember ;)
[12:10] <ubotu> New bug: #113193 in malone "Launchpad broken in opera" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/113193