[01:40] <Solarion> what was the link to how to capture debugging info from OOo 2.2?
[03:20] <jbj^> hello
[03:20] <jbj^> is this relevent for Fiesty? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDCustomization/6.06
[03:22] <crimsun> where applicable.  See reconstructor.
[03:24] <jbj^> reconstructor hasn't been updated for fiesty
[03:24] <jbj^> I managed to hack it to work with fiesty but it's still kinda weird
[03:25] <crimsun> it's probably best that you address that in their contact channel (if they have one), then.  Sorry, but it's off-topic for this channel.
[03:27] <jbj^> ok
[04:22] <linitrofe> How can I get involved in the ubuntu mobile/embedded development?
[04:23] <crimsun> http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/uds-sevilla/track-mobile.html  and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UDS-Sevilla/Participate
[04:24] <linitrofe> Perfect, thanks
[04:40] <concept10> crimsun, Im glad you post that link
[04:41] <concept10> I think that information should have been included with the recent announcement or maybe I missed it.
[04:42] <crimsun> you missed it.  https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2007-May/000290.html
[04:43] <concept10> crimsun, thanks again.
[08:51] <norman> Hi all
[08:52] <norman> I'm one of the PMC for james mailserver (james.apache.org). And we want to ask about include james in ubuntu. Where I should start to ask about it ?
[08:52] <Treenaks> norman: is it in Debian?
[08:52] <norman> If there whould be any intressed I whould start to prepare the packaging
[08:53] <Treenaks> norman: if possible, we prefer to take the Debian package, instead of our 'special' own package
[08:53] <norman> Treenaks: No.. Its is included in none OS yet... We just thought about to build debs now ;-)
[08:54] <norman> Thats why i asked 
[08:54] <Treenaks> norman: You really should ask Debian then -- to avoid conflicts when Debian adds it themselves and we sync it in :)
[08:55] <norman> Treenaks, ok so you think debian is the best place to start. I just ask because its a "java" app and debian not include the java bins.. Just java-comon
[08:55] <Treenaks> norman: they do have java, maybe not _sun_ java..
[08:55] <Treenaks> but they do have java :)
[08:55] <norman> Treenaks, Well we need sun java.. Thats the point 
[08:56] <norman> At least im not 100 % sure it will work quite well with other java stuf
[08:56] <Treenaks> norman: they'll help you debug it, probably ;)
[08:56] <Seveas> Treenaks, they have sun-java as well, in non-fre
[08:56] <Treenaks> Seveas: sure, but 'non-free is not part of Debian', so it's not "in debian" :)
[08:56] <Seveas> so 'james' should go in contrib
[08:57] <Seveas> nitpicking :p
[08:57] <Mithrandir> Treenaks: we can sync out of contrib, though
[08:57] <norman> LOL.. Ok i will ask on debian . Thx for all your help
[08:57] <Treenaks> Mithrandir: sure
[08:57] <Mithrandir> norman: if you can't find anybody there who wants to package it, please do get in touch and we'll get it in directly in ubuntu
[08:58] <Seveas> Mithrandir, not from non-free to multiverse?
[08:58] <Mithrandir> the reason we ask you to try Debian is just to avoid double work if there's interest for it in Debian
[08:58] <Mithrandir> Seveas: sure, from non-free too
[08:58] <norman> Mithrandir, thx .. BTw, I did debian packaging ( own builds) in the past, so i think we whould be able to maintain it by our own. Whould this be a problem
[09:00] <Mithrandir> norman: you would then either become a Debian or Ubuntu developer which is a process to go through; I would not recommend it unless you want to maintain more software for the distros; it takes some effort to keep up with policies and such.
[09:01] <norman> Mithrandir, well I think my aviable time is not enough to mantain more then a few packages. So this will be very unlikly :-/
[09:01] <StevenK> cjwatson: There is a typo in your tags for the UDS Sevilla pages. You have a 'community' tag, and a 'commmunity' tag.
[09:01] <Seveas> StevenK, commmunity is community for commmies ;)
[09:02] <Treenaks> "We put the mmm in Commmunity!"
[09:02] <StevenK> Hah
[09:02] <Mithrandir> norman: then I would rather recommend you work with a maintainer who is already a DD or UD.
[09:02] <StevenK> I should have known that would start a flurry of bad jokes.
[09:03] <norman> Mithrandir, thx for all your help.. I will try to start with debian. If there is no intressed i will come back
[09:04] <Mithrandir> great. :-)
[09:05] <Hobbsee> morning all
[09:05] <Fujitsu> Hi Hobbsee.
[09:05] <Mithrandir> hiya Sarah
[09:05] <Mithrandir> there's candy here, use that?
[09:06] <Hobbsee> hi Fujitsu 
[09:06] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir: heh.  that'd work :)
[09:06] <fabbione> hey Hobbsee 
[09:06] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir: you *do* know it's to throw at you, dont you....
[09:07] <Hobbsee> hiya fabbione 
[09:07] <Mithrandir> Hobbsee: as I was typing earlier.. if you do that you might find yourself tickled during the day.
[09:07] <Hobbsee> oh dear...
[09:09] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir: thanks @ the spec
[09:09] <Mithrandir> oh, np
[09:09] <Hobbsee> (yay, launchpad email nto dying)
[09:09] <seb128> gaim
[09:09] <seb128> ups
[09:09] <Seveas> Hobbsee, will probably find herself tickled anyway
[09:10] <Hobbsee> *glare*
[09:10] <Mithrandir> Seveas: shh! lull her into a false sense of security. :-P
[09:10] <Hobbsee> ice cubes would be better though
[09:10] <Mithrandir> they'd melt
[09:11] <Hobbsee> not before they went down your neck.
[09:11] <tepsipakki> while airborne?
[09:11] <tepsipakki> ah :)
[09:12] <fabbione> the air friction will make them melt
[09:12] <Seveas> Hobbsee, ask jono yo join IRC, I need to show him something
[09:12] <fabbione> ballistic missile from au!
[09:12] <tepsipakki> air must be thicker down there ;)
[09:12] <fabbione> Hobbsee: we know.. we can see you..
[09:12] <Mithrandir> Hobbsee: what, you're not carrying a small bit of .au around with you, so you don't feel homesick? :-P
[09:12] <fabbione> but do you have ice cubes here? ;)
[09:12] <jono> fabbione: she is in .au
[09:13] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir: no..i'm only missing the chocolate :P
[09:13] <fabbione> jono: ?!?
[09:13] <jono> fabbione: this is her evil twin
[09:13] <Mithrandir> Hobbsee: they have chocolate here too.
[09:13] <fabbione> jono: ROFL
[09:13] <Hobbsee> proper chocolate?
[09:13] <Mithrandir> jono: sure it's not the angel twin?
[09:13] <Fujitsu> jono: You sure this is the evil one?
[09:13] <jono> heh
[09:13] <Fujitsu> Damnit.
[09:13] <Seveas> (with apologies to Elton John): http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/19584/
[09:13] <Seveas> for jono ;)
[09:14] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir: you'll keep...
[09:16] <Keybuk> doko: you need more discussion about python-roadmap?
[09:16] <jono> Seveas: you do know I could throw something at you from here
[09:16] <Seveas> yes I do
[09:17] <jono> Seveas: maybe I could throw sarah, she is small and nimble
[09:17] <Hobbsee> hey!!!
[09:17] <Treenaks> Hobbsee: let's test that hypothesis
[09:17] <Mithrandir> she's a fairly bad approximation of an ice cube, though
[09:17] <Hobbsee> hah.  true that.  although i'm usually cold enough
[09:26] <sladen> Hobbsee: *projectiles*
[09:26] <Hobbsee> sladen: i got his attention. but yeah
[09:44] <shawarma> I've got user-mode-linux working in gutsy. The package is based on the Debian one, but it's on the sync-blacklist. Also, the Debian package will ftbfs (for starters it depends on 2.6.18) so should I just upload my version and have it removed from the blacklist afterwards or will that mess stuff up? (Yes, BenC said it was ok to un-blacklist it).
[09:48] <Mithrandir> shawarma: I'm happy to remove it from the sync blacklist if you have something that works sensibly.
[09:49] <shawarma> Mithrandir: Ok. Should the upload and unblacklisting happen in any particular order?
[09:50] <Mithrandir> shawarma: probably not important, but please upload first and then I'll unblacklist it.
[09:50] <shawarma> Mithrandir: Will do. thanks!
[10:23] <jdub> have fun, uds folks!
[10:23] <rdonkin> hi i'm another JAMES developer 
[10:24] <rdonkin> (Apache JAMES is a java mail server) 
[10:24] <Mithrandir> hiya jdub 
[10:24] <seb128> jdub: we do ;)
[10:24] <rdonkin> norman chatted with you guys a little earlier
[10:24] <rdonkin> i was wondering about your attitude to apache harmony
[10:25] <rdonkin> AIUI debian are unlikely to declare any java package free unless it runs on classpath/kaffe
[10:26] <Mithrandir> rdonkin: any java package that runs on stuff in debian main is going to be considered free.  There are other options, like gcj too.
[10:26] <rdonkin> the debian java guys don't like the apache license
[10:26] <rdonkin> free but not GPL
[10:26] <rdonkin> apache harmony is free software but not GPL
[10:26] <thom> rdonkin: um, there's a lot of apache licensed stuff in debian main
[10:26] <Mithrandir> yeah, given it's apache it's probably under the ASL.
[10:27] <rdonkin> AL2
[10:27] <rdonkin> (we dropped the 'S' for version 2.0)
[10:27] <rdonkin> the java guys seem to be very GPL
[10:28] <thom> rdonkin: do you have mailing list posts you can point to for this?
[10:28] <rdonkin> nope
[10:28] <rdonkin> was a few year back 
[10:28] <rdonkin> their policy documentation hasn't changed and doesn't mention harmony as an acceptable free java
[10:29] <thom> the only problem with java in main is the lack of free JVM. because harmony fixes that, i don't see where the problem is
[10:29] <thom> well, go ask them?
[10:29] <rdonkin> life's too short :-/
[10:29] <thom> basing your policy on something that preexists harmony seems, um, a little silly :-)
[10:29] <rdonkin> sun should have open sourced java by then
[10:30] <rdonkin> just wondered whether it would be worth out effort asking harmony to verify that james works
[10:30] <rdonkin> out -> our
[10:30] <thom> well, i obviously can't speak for anyone else but AL2 is DFSG free (otherwise a2 wouldn't be in main), so yes, i think it'd be worth the effort
[10:31] <thom> it was good to meet you on friday, btw
[10:31] <rdonkin> hi
[10:31] <rdonkin> didn't know you ubuntu'd
[10:31] <Keybuk> thom: so, err, aren't you supposed to be here?
[10:31] <rdonkin> had hoped that debian would update their java policy stuff
[10:32] <rdonkin> by now
[10:32] <thom> Keybuk: didn't get it sorted :( (and last week was too horrible for words)
[10:35] <rdonkin> thom: good to meet you too
[10:35] <bryyce> dholbach: for setting up an xorg triage team, do you have a url describing good things to do to prepare for the team?  info to gather, etc.?
[10:36] <dholbach> bryyce: we already have https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XSwat - I started that, when fabbione and infinity were still taking care of X
[10:36] <Keybuk> thom: shall I compare thee to JD?
[10:36] <dholbach> bryyce: it'd probably make sense to gather ideas what a new X team could work on
[10:36] <Keybuk> X/
[10:36] <dholbach> bryyce: and then announce a public meeting to gather people who are interested and hear what they expect
[10:36] <bryyce> dholbach: ok cool
[10:37] <thom> Keybuk: hah :-)
[10:37] <dholbach> bryyce: maybe we should gather up all people who did X in the past here at UDS, then brain storm a bit :)
[10:38] <bryyce> dholbach: may be good; lets see who comes to the upcoming xorg sessions
[10:38] <dholbach> yeah
[10:39] <rdonkin> thom: seem to have a lot more of the apache java stuff packaged in main now :-)
[10:39] <dholbach> bryyce: also get a mailing list for the team - maybe even two (one to route bugs there and one for discussion)
[10:39] <rdonkin> thom: should have checked first and ranted later
[10:39] <bryyce> dholbach: ok; maybe an appropriate list already exists?
[10:40] <dholbach> at least it's not on https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/
[10:41] <bryyce> dholbach: joining the xswat team appears to route all the X bugs to you (apparently whether you want the mail or not *grin*)
[10:42] <dholbach> rt at admin.canonical.com :)
[10:43] <bryyce> heh, nah I just did some procmail hackery and all is good now :-)
[10:43] <tepsipakki> if a xorg-bugs -list is made then the bugmail settings for the team could/should be adjusted
[10:44] <bryyce> tepsipakki: are you going to call in for the xorg uds sessions today?
[10:44] <tepsipakki> bryyce: let me check the schedule
[10:44] <zyga> morning
[10:46] <bryyce> tepsipakki: if not, let me know if there are any topics you'd like me to bring up
[10:46] <tepsipakki> bryyce: partly yes, but I need some hardware :)
[10:47] <tepsipakki> the xorg7.3 session is too late for me
[10:47] <bryyce> ah too bad, we could really use you there -- but I'll take notes and pass along
[10:47] <tepsipakki> sure, thanks
[10:49] <pygi> hi dholbach 
[10:54] <iXce> hey pygi :)
[11:34] <tepsipakki> bryyce: it seems that inbound UDP is blocked by our beloved firewall, so no VOIP for me
[11:36] <bryyce> :-(  bummer!
[11:41] <tepsipakki> yep.. well, they can't take my irc! :)
[11:41] <tepsipakki> +away
[11:42] <tepsipakki> funny how one word can totally change the meaning of a sentence :P
[11:43] <bryyce> hehe
[11:43] <tepsipakki> but they both hold true
[11:44] <bryyce> tepsipakki: do you know whether very many projectors provide EDID information?
[11:45] <bryyce> tepsipakki: I've heard one of the principle issues in improving projector support is that they don't provide EDID
[11:45] <bryyce> however, I'm wondering if this is true for all projectors or just some
[11:45] <tepsipakki> that could be true.. I don't know how it is
[11:45] <bryyce> hmm
[11:46] <bryyce> another question is if it would be sufficient to get and test a small number of different projectors, or if we'd need to test a large variety
[11:48] <tepsipakki> gah, lunch. I'll get back to you ->
[11:49] <bryyce> cya
[12:18] <jackie> window refresh
[01:51] <pitti> ajmitch: btw, I didn't get your email with the session notes yet
[02:02] <ajmitch> pitti: ok, I will email it from my box at home
[02:25] <phaidros> is ubuntu-embedded limited to intel plattform?
[02:26] <phaidros> what about mips, arm ..
[02:27] <lifeless> u/win 22
[02:36] <shawarma> win 2
[02:36] <Burgundavia> heh
[02:49] <cbx33> hey Burgundavia 
[02:49] <Burgundavia> hey cbx33
[03:05] <Treenaks> 
[03:37] <bddebian> Heya
[03:57] <Hobbsee> cjwatson: i'm not sure where keybuk is, i think he does MOM - it seems updated now, but the target in debian/changelog of the merges still seem to be feisty, not gutsy.
[04:01] <Mithrandir> Hobbsee: iz fixed as of next run
[04:02] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir: yay, thankyou :)
[04:03] <JohnFlux> anyone see scott?  the upstart dude
[04:03] <Mithrandir> JohnFlux: yes, why?
[04:03] <Mithrandir> he's a the back in the main hall
[04:03] <Mithrandir> at the, even
[04:09] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir: do it.  i just did.  nice fast connection
[04:10] <Mithrandir> yeah, I got about 5Mbit upstream when uploading my photos this morning
[04:11] <Hobbsee> nice :)
[04:11] <Hobbsee> i'm jealous
[04:11] <shawarma> Mithrandir: I uploaded the uml package, by the way. Just in case you felt like ACCEPTing some packages. :-)
[04:12] <Mithrandir> shawarma: I'll get to it after I've done the 1086 other items in NEW. :-P
[04:12] <shawarma> Mithrandir: Oh, dear. Debian had that many new ones waiting for Etch release?
[04:13] <Mithrandir> shawarma: most of it is binary NEW
[04:13] <Mithrandir> but it still requires inspection
[04:13] <Mithrandir> I'll get to it when I get bored.
[04:13] <Mithrandir> Hobbsee: and nothing has broken majorly for you yet?
[04:13] <shawarma> Mithrandir: Have fun! :-)
[04:13] <shawarma> Mithrandir: I'm also running gutsy.
[04:13] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir: dunno.  havent rebooted
[04:13] <shawarma> Mithrandir: It's working like a charm.
[04:13] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir: but seveas is evil.
[04:13] <Mithrandir> Hobbsee: what else is news?
[04:13] <pygi> Hobbsee, tell us something we don't know? :)
[04:14] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir: he tried to break my wrist!
[04:14] <Mithrandir> that's a bit over the top.
[04:15] <Hobbsee> yes.  he got belted.
[04:15] <lifeless> Hobbsee: who?
[04:15] <Mithrandir> I hope you have a video of that.
[04:15] <Mithrandir> oops, did I say that out loud?
[04:15] <Hobbsee> lifeless: seveas.
[04:15] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir: hah.  unfortunately not
[04:15] <mc44> Hobbsee: he hasnt pushed you into the pool yet? :)
[04:15] <lifeless> mc44: its elkbuntu that is in line for the pool
[04:16] <Hobbsee> mc44: that's what he was trying to do - drag me into the pool
[04:16] <mc44> haha
[04:16] <Hobbsee> lifeless: according to seveas, we both are
[04:16] <lifeless> Hobbsee: sounds kinky
[04:17] <Hobbsee> lifeless: i dont want to know what your idea of kinky is...
[04:19] <lifeless> Hobbsee: clearly :)
[04:24] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir: oh, i did get a trippy, broken effect...
[04:24] <Hobbsee> apparently my battery was removed, and is not present.
[04:24] <Hobbsee> (and my power cord is upstairs)
[04:24] <Hobbsee> so, i appear to be running on magic.
[04:25] <iXce> or on drugs.
[04:25] <lifeless> sweet
[04:25] <mc44> Well that should be included in the reduce power usage spec :p
[04:25] <Hobbsee> hahahhaha, yes!
[04:25] <iXce> Hobbsee kde is so full of crack
[04:26] <Riddell> ?
[04:26] <iXce> ^ racarr
[04:26] <iXce> (tentatively trying to use an AZERTY keyboard)
[04:26] <shawarma> Mao-BOF tonight, anyone? 
[04:26] <robertj_> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/simplesamba is marked drafting but has no drafter assigned, is this normal?
[04:26] <Hobbsee> still, i want to know if the battery will keep going forever, rather than dying
[04:26] <Hobbsee> shawarma: YES!!!
[04:27] <ajmitch> shawarma: sounds good
[04:27] <shawarma> rock
[04:27] <shawarma> Fun fact: I don't quite remember the rules. This should be fun.
[04:27] <Hobbsee> hahaha
[04:27] <Hobbsee> even better
[04:28] <shawarma> robertj_: No, I don't think so. Someone should pick it up.
[04:29] <iXce> what's Mao-BOF?
[04:29] <shawarma> A BOF where we play Mao. 
[04:29] <iXce> sounds sensible.
[04:29] <shawarma> Just like the people outside who have smoking-BoF's from time to time.
[04:32] <iXce> ><
[04:33] <shawarma> robertj_: We talked a bit about it, and we have a pretty good idea about how to go about. We'll probably play cards tonight, and whoever loses has to draft the spec..
[04:34] <robertj_> shawarma: Unfortunately my pygoocanvas cardtable is still WIP, otherwise I could be elligible ;)
[04:35] <robertj_> shawarma: any major concerns?
[04:36] <highvoltage> iwj: will there be meau (spelling?) games again at this UDS? I really don't want to miss it if it happens :)
[04:36] <lifeless> in all probabilty
[04:36] <lifeless> 'mao' As in the chairman
[04:37] <highvoltage> great! I've been looking forward to the next rounds since UDS paris was over :)
[04:38] <iwj> highvoltage: I should imagine so, yes :-).
[04:42] <shawarma> robertj_: Well, it requires changes to base-config and pam, but apart from that, it's not that bad.
[04:42] <shawarma> highvoltage: If you payed attention, I asked about it not 20 minutes ago, both here and in #uds-sevilla. :-)
[04:43] <shawarma> highvoltage: Me, Hobbsee and ajmitch are in.
[04:43] <ajmitch> shawarma: gambling on the outcome of mao? brave
[04:43] <shawarma> ajmitch: Not necessarily.
[04:43] <shawarma> ajmitch: One could define the winner of a game of Mao as the person who has the most fun, since that is in fact the true object of the game.
[04:44] <Hobbsee> shawarma: woo :)
[04:54] <robertj_> shawarma: as long as people think of the spec as pre-samba prep, instead of "can't we use the better proven and more versatile xxx to do this instead" everything should be ao-k
[04:59] <shawarma> robertj_: I don't remember what was originally in the spec, but what we're going to do is make libpam-smbpass add itself to the pam auth and passwd stack and *possibly* make it installed by default.
[05:00] <shawarma> robertj_: I'm not quite sure about that last bit, since adding it to the  auth stack with the migrate keyword set, is "good enough". The hard part is really to add it to the pam stack, and that's why I'm patchin pam right now.
[05:16] <robertj_> shawarma: adding it as a default dep is fairly important because otherwise people have to go back and reset passwords after installing samba and people just don't know to do that
[05:16] <robertj_> it seems like half of samba problems are answered with "set a smbpasswd"
[05:16] <robertj_> and it will be those some people asking except the response will be "reset your password"
[05:17] <robertj_> shawarma: what do your pam patches do?
[05:18] <highvoltage> Riddell: so people refer to you as "John" these days?
[05:18] <highvoltage> Riddell: you do realise that's a betrayal of Jonathans?
[05:19] <Solarion> when is the new bibliography stuff expected to land?
[05:21] <shawarma> robertj_: No, they won't. check out libpam-smbpass's migrate option. All they'll have to do is log in as usual.
[05:21] <shawarma> robertj_: About the pam changes:
[05:22] <shawarma> robertj_: right now you can add an include directive to a pam config file and it will include that one file.
[05:23] <shawarma> robertj_: I'm add an option to include a directory so that packages easily can add stuff to the pam stack without patching existing files.
[05:23] <shawarma> robertj_: That makes it possible for the libpam-smbpass package to just dump a config file in something like /etc/pam.d/common-auth.d/ and hence will be in the pam auth stack. 
[05:25] <shawarma> robertj_: (since it's considered bad form to alter other package's configuration files)
[05:25] <Mithrandir> shawarma: shiny
[05:26] <shawarma> Mithrandir: :)
[06:12] <Solarion> is there any chance there'll be official feisty vmware player images put up on ubuntu.com?
[06:13] <Solarion> 'cause there really outta be.
[06:14] <pochu> !info vmware-player
[06:14] <ubotu> vmware-player: Free virtual machine player from VMware. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1.0.2-2 (feisty), package size 11602 kB, installed size 31336 kB (Only available for i386 amd64)
[06:14] <Solarion> not at all what I mean.
[06:14] <Solarion> how about I rephrase: there really ought to be official ubuntu vmware player appliances up on ubuntu.com
[06:14] <jdong> infinity: idn if you got the message, but can you look at ktorrent 2.1.4-0ubuntu~feisty in build queue for me? it seems stuck.
[06:15] <Solarion> livecds are great, but require rebooting
[06:15] <jdong> Solarion: http://isv-image.ubuntu.com/vmware/
[06:15] <Solarion> jdong: are these official?
[06:15] <jdong> Solarion: umm.... they're on ubuntu servers....
[06:16] <jdong> I would expect them to be as official as it gets
[06:16] <Solarion> what is this isv-image server?
[06:16] <pochu> Solarion: sorry, I didn't undertand you :)
[06:16] <jdong> Independent Software Vendor, I think....
[06:16] <Solarion> pochu: I wasn't all that clear.  Sorry.
[06:16] <Solarion> jdong: I can grok that myself, but the question is what is the server for?
[06:16] <Solarion> where did you get the link for that?
[06:17] <jdong> Solarion: I got the link from cdimage.ubuntu.com/vmware
[06:17] <Solarion> what is cdimage.ubuntu.com?
[06:17] <pochu> Solarion: where the .iso images are :)
[06:17] <jdong> it's the server where all the ISO image spins are kept
[06:18] <Solarion> so how is it the same/different from releases?
[06:18] <jdong> releases are where final release ISO's are kept
[06:18] <jdong> cdimage has all kinds of other images...
[06:19] <jdong> such as DVD's, nightly builds, unsupported architectures, etc
[06:19] <Solarion> would be nice to have a link to the various things from the "Download" area then
[06:19] <Solarion> also, putting them in the vmware marketplace would also be great.
[06:20] <Solarion> I had no idea about isv-image and friends
[06:21] <jdong> Solarion: agreed; I don't know why it isn't more prominently advertised
[06:21] <jdong> I only know about it because I've explored around the cdimage server a lot
[06:21] <Solarion> suppose I could put something in the wiki, but it's not exactly the same
[06:26] <Riddell> highvoltage: who does that?  that is a crime to be dealt with
[07:04] <\sh> d-i showed  problems setting up eit gpt tables on >2TB devices, attached storage device....(feisty server install)
[07:05] <\sh> 32)
[07:06] <\sh> or fdisk is too stupid to give me the right answer...(setup via parted as eit gpt tables, fdisk tells me it's an efi table)
[07:20] <\sh> grmpf...and d-i partitioner finds the unused smartarray p800 port and grumbles with an error
[07:43] <jcole> where can i learn more about this? -> http://www.infoworld.com/article/07/05/07/ubuntu-mobile-linux_1.html
[07:55] <bluefoxicy> I'm curious, how exactly do the Ubuntu install CDs get made
[07:55] <Keybuk> usual CD manufacture process
[07:55] <Keybuk> laser-printed foil glued between two pieces of plastic
[07:55] <bluefoxicy> There's a lot of remastering docs and customization utilities out there, but you can't just remaster an existing LiveCD every time; the underlying technology on the LiveCD has changed over time, some use SquashFS instead of cloop, Ubiquity now allows you to do LiveCD install...
[07:56] <bluefoxicy> Keybuk:  I'm not one for the physical world, it is a world of games and meaningless actions taken only for self-enjoyment ;)
[07:56] <bluefoxicy> The world of data is more pure
[07:59] <mjg59> Launchpad does shit.
[08:00] <desrt> mjg59; missing you in sevilla
[08:02] <mjg59> It's ok, I'm in the pub
[08:09] <desrt> mjg59; i guess that's the 2nd best place that you could be
[08:12] <ant30> Hi all, I proposed two blueprint on launchpad, about network-manager and other bluetooth about 
[09:19] <wasabi_> Looks like it's about time to package Zimbra.
[09:20] <zul> heh good luck on that
[09:20] <wasabi_> Yeah, already gave it a try once.
[09:20] <wasabi_> I know it's going to be a bitch.
[09:20] <wasabi_> Their entire goal is to make it take over an entire machine heh
[10:01] <shaya> did something happen w/ font sizing in gutsy over the past few days?
[10:13] <\sh> Mithrandir, do you know why we don't support dial-up devices in network-manager?
[10:13] <giskard> because nm doesn't support them?
[10:13] <giskard> mayne 0.7 will support dial-up dev
[10:13] <\sh> giskard, NM does support them....suse is doing that e.g. and rlove wrote on 2006-04-06 something about modems in his Changelog
[10:14] <giskard> how?
[10:14] <Mithrandir> \sh: nobody took the time to make them work?
[10:14] <giskard> dial-up as in ppp?
[10:14] <giskard> hello Mithrandir 
[10:14] <\sh> yepp
[10:14] <giskard> \sh, are you sure?
[10:15] <\sh> Mithrandir, k...let me check if I can port the suse patch towards 0.6.5 ;)
[10:15] <Mithrandir> hiya giskard 
[10:15] <\sh> giskard, yepp...I just have the suse src rpm from opensuse 10.2 here 
[10:15] <\sh> nm-0.6-branch patch 
[10:16] <highvoltage> Riddell: http://blog.notsosoft.net/2007/ubuntu/live-from-uds-sevilla-jeglagged-in-spain.html
[10:16] <highvoltage> he calls you "John Riddel"!
[10:16] <giskard> \sh, why it's not in the main tree?
[10:18] <sn0> shaya yea the font dpi seems to have dropped 
[10:18] <\sh> giskard, well, reading the source of 0.6.5 there are some things about modems/isdn/dial-up ppp devices 
[10:18] <\sh> giskard, I have to check more carefully...what is in...
[10:18] <sn0> change it back to 96 if you prefer the old method in system > pref > fonts > details
[10:19] <\sh> giskard, backends/NetworkManagerDebian.c 
[10:20] <giskard> \sh, and?
[10:20] <giskard> i don't see your point :(
[10:20] <shaya> sn: it doesn't seem to help me for firefox
[10:20] <sn0> shaya restart firefox :)
[10:21] <shaya> I did
[10:21] <\sh> giskard, it should work....it reads the entries from /etc/network/interfaces e.g. iface ppp0 inet pppo
[10:21] <shaya> firefox content is fine
[10:21] <\sh> aeh ppp
[10:21] <shaya> the menus are still small
[10:21] <shaya> still small that is
[10:21] <shaya> hmm, and content is getting cut off in xchat
[10:21] <shaya> maybe have to restart that too
[10:22] <sn0> do you have firefox-gnome-support installed, not sure if i did anything extra to change mine back
[10:22] <sn0> doh
[10:23] <\sh> let me reboot
[10:23] <\sh> brb
[10:29] <\sh> argl...it's so stupid ;)
[10:29] <\sh> giskard, it works
[10:29] <giskard> :)
[10:29] <\sh> also with ubuntu, if you know that you have to reload NM to catch your modems
[10:30] <giskard> ? why?
[10:30] <\sh> but this have to be done, when you enter your ppp configuration in gnome-network settings
[10:31] <\sh> giskard, NM checks your /e/n/i for inet ppp devices and catches it, but only after you stop NM and restart it
[10:31] <\sh> then you can see an entry for dial-up connections.
[10:31] <giskard> uh, didn't know this :) 
[10:31] <\sh> but it's not reloaded when you configure your stuff via g-n-s
[10:33] <adam0509> hi, who is in assurance of the cannonical commercial repo ?
[10:34] <\sh> adam0509, canonical...
[10:35] <adam0509> err... thank you :] 
[10:35] <adam0509> but where can I ask why there are so few packages in commercial repo...?
[10:35] <\sh> adam0509, it meant canonical is responsible for the commercial app repos
[10:41] <geser> tepsipakki: are there any plans to update xserver-xorg in gutsy?
[10:42] <ant30> I see the some spec for xorg 7.3 geser 
[10:42] <JohnFlux> Is there a uds channel?
[10:42] <JohnFlux> or are people just hanging in here?
[10:42] <geser> JohnFlux: #uds-sevilla
[10:46] <tepsipakki> geser: bryce is your man nowadays. 7.3 is not released yet, though
[10:47] <geser> I have some xserver-xorg-input-* package on my merge list. And at least one depends on xserver-xorg-dev (>= 2:1.2.9
[10:47] <geser> 9.902)
[10:48] <tepsipakki> merge?
[10:48] <tepsipakki> which one?
[10:48] <geser> xserver-xorg-input-joystick (universe)
[10:48] <tepsipakki> I've been working on getting them sync'able
[10:48] <tepsipakki> joystick should be syncable
[10:49] <geser> the versioned B-D on xserver-xorg-dev is a problem
[10:49] <tepsipakki> when the new server is in
[10:49] <tepsipakki> right, sync when xserver 1.3 is in
[10:49] <geser> so I should wait with merging/syncing them?
[10:49] <tepsipakki> yes
[10:50] <geser> any timeframe when xserver 1.3 will be available?
[10:50] <tepsipakki> I don't know, haven't discussed about it with bryce
[10:51] <tepsipakki> it would break fglrx/nvidia, though
[10:51] <geser> ok, I put them at the bottom of my merge/sync list for now
[10:51] <geser> thanks
[10:52] <tepsipakki> np
[10:52] <pochu> tepsipakki: as long as it doesn't break the intel driver... ;)
[10:52] <pochu> btw, isn't 2.0 out yet?
[10:52] <tepsipakki> yep, since a couple of weeks
[10:52] <tepsipakki> released the same day as xserver 1.3
[10:53] <pochu> then it would be fine to update it
[10:54] <tepsipakki> same thing as with the rest of the drivers; wait for xserver 1.4
[10:54] <tepsipakki> uh
[10:54] <tepsipakki> 1.3
[10:54] <tepsipakki> since they can be synced then
[10:54] <tepsipakki> but that's _my_ opinion ;)
[10:55] <pochu> I trust you, and 1.94 is working fine
[10:55] <tepsipakki> are you using gutsy?
[10:55] <pochu> yeah
[10:56] <tepsipakki> brave soul..
[10:56] <pochu> heh, it's working fine
[10:56] <pochu> (atm) :)
[10:56] <tepsipakki> yep, the breakage starts after UDS :)
[10:56] <pochu> heh
[11:19] <highvoltage> 8/win 11
[11:36] <micahcowan> Would somebody like to look at/sponsor my patch for gawk, bug 58256?
[11:36] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 58256 in gawk "length() memory error " [Undecided,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/58256
[11:36] <pochu> !info gawk
[11:36] <ubotu> gawk: GNU awk, a pattern scanning and processing language. In component main, is optional. Version 1:3.1.5.dfsg-4build1 (feisty), package size 468 kB, installed size 1956 kB
[11:48] <Keybuk> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDisnYe38io
[11:53] <jmg> is that you?
[11:54] <Keybuk> no
[11:54] <Keybuk> lol