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TheMusoHey MOTUs.12:34
ScottKHey TheMuso12:36
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cbx33if i need to storesome information in a database type environment for a python project12:39
cbx33what would one recommend?12:39
cbx33gadfly?12:39
pochuhi TheMuso 12:42
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ScottKcbx33: Most major database types have Python bindings available.  Pick the one you want and it'll probably work out.12:51
ScottKTheMuso: Do you have time to look at a merge? Bug #11271012:52
ubotuLaunchpad bug 112710 in clamav "Merge clamav 0.90.2-1 from Debian Unstable (Main)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11271012:52
TheMusoScottK: Sure./12:53
ScottKGreat.12:53
cbx33sqllite12:56
cbx33;)12:56
cbx33it's a standard lib 12:56
cbx33;)12:56
cbx33I like that12:56
cbx33and requires no server12:56
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ScottKTheMuso: I'll afk for a bit, but will stop in to see if there are problems/questions when I can.  Thanks again for having a look at it.01:02
TheMusoScottK: Ok.,01:02
minghuasubscribing bugs to ubuntu-qa without discussion is a very annoying thing to do...01:04
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DaveMorrishey guys, what pacakge does the mni iso (aka net installer) count as so I can raise a bug against it?01:05
minghuathanks ScottK for unsubscribe that01:05
TheMusoScottK: I still see patches in debian/patches, yet I don't see anything in the latest changelog entry about them still being needed.01:10
TheMusoScottK: Should they be mentioned?01:10
TheMusoScottK: I notice you mention them in a previous entry.01:10
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ScottKTheMuso: I mentioned it the previous time because it was a new upstream release, so are the patches required seemed like a question that ought to be answered.01:13
ScottKTheMuso: I didn't mention it this time because with the same upstream release, it seemed clear.  Also, the patches are not a remaining diff with Debian.  They have the patches too.01:13
ScottKTheMuso: I didn't think it necessary, but if you want, I'll redo it.01:13
TheMusoScottK: No thats fine.01:14
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ScottKTheMuso: Thanks.01:19
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mr_pouitTheMuso: very strange, ctorrent doesn't fbfts here ^^" (gutsy pbuilder)01:47
persiaScottK: Regarding gaphor in Debian: I'm not confident enough with python to really maintain the package, although I'd be happy to assist another.01:58
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TheMusoScottK: uploaded02:06
ScottKTheMuso: Great.  THanks02:07
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minghuacomputer games are harmful -- wesnoth crashes my X :-(02:42
Lathiathaha02:45
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nixternal_StevenK: no response back from the guy who was/is in charge of krename for Debian, any recommendations for a next step?03:17
nixternal_I did find a DD in Chicago who has agreed to meet up and sign my key which is cool03:17
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ScottKpersia: If you can get it into Debian, it'll be here too, so we can help you here and you can just apply updates in Debian.  Everydody wins.03:19
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persiaScottK: OK.  I'll mail Cdric.  Separately, does the DATA_DIR definition look OK to you?03:21
ScottKpersia: I haven't had time to review in detail.  If I were going to do the package, I'd probably redo it as a cdbs package.03:21
ScottKpersia: I just looked at your diff.  To understand the data directory stuff I need to see what setup.py has in mind for it.03:22
persiaScottK: That depends on my communication with Cdric :), but I don't think that would fix the DATA_DIR definition in the source.03:23
persiaScottK: No worries.  Let me know when you've had a chance.03:23
ScottKpersia: No, not fix it in the source, just want to understand what upstream intended.03:23
ScottKWith a good setup.py and cdbs a lot of this stuff just magically happens.03:24
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ScottKgeser: Did you ever get a chance to look at uploading the fix for Bug #11214003:24
ubotuLaunchpad bug 112140 in pythoncad "pythoncad fails to exit when all windows are closed" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11214003:24
ScottKcrimsun: Do you have a moment to give an opinion on an SRU proposal?03:25
crimsunurl?03:25
ScottKWe have a fix for Bug #108612 sitting in Feisty updates.  I'm wondering if it would be wise to add the fix for Bug #112140 to it before we release it.  It's a one liner03:26
ubotuLaunchpad bug 108612 in pythoncad "[apport]  pythoncad crashed with ExpatError in parse()" [Medium,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/10861203:26
ubotuLaunchpad bug 112140 in pythoncad "pythoncad fails to exit when all windows are closed" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11214003:26
ScottKerr Feisty proposed, not updates03:26
RAOFScottK: Incidentally, I'm here, anytime you want to get AMD64 build accesss.03:26
ScottKOK RAOF.  Thanks.  My time is pretty short tonight, so I'll probably pass.03:27
RAOF:)03:27
crimsunScottK: I'd respin http://librarian.launchpad.net/7563882/pythoncad-clean-exit.debdiff without the DebianMaintainerField change03:27
crimsun(I think I accidentally did it for azureus, but I shouldn't have.)03:28
ScottKOK03:28
nixternal_crimsun: Riddell said earlier "grab the kde4 debs, install them into a chroot, and build the rest of the kde 4 alpha packages."  I have been lost at that point. I have been trying OTHERMIRROR and BINDMOUNTS with pbuilder to get this. any ideas?03:29
ScottKcrimsun: Just to make sure I got it right...  I take that diff less the maintainer change and add it to the version in feisty-proposed..03:29
crimsunnixternal_: I doubt he did that with pbuilder (unless he used --login and copied over using host's root).03:30
ScottKcrimsun: I can also make the version number for feisty-proposed align to the new e-mail so it can just be copied over when ready...03:30
crimsunnixternal_: I'm pretty sure he just built a clean $release chroot, installed the kde4 debs, and went from there.03:30
nixternal_I have never built packages in a chroot, only used dpkg & pbuilder03:30
nixternal_crimsun: do I just create the chroot, chroot into it, and build packages like I am used to?03:31
crimsunnixternal_: technically, pbuilder is a chroot03:31
crimsunnixternal_: yeah, that's one way03:31
nixternal_whats the best way?03:31
crimsunScottK: yes03:31
nixternal_I have my chroots setup and working03:31
ScottKGreat.03:32
ScottKcrimsun: Thanks.  It may be tomorrow before I can get to it, but I'll get it done.03:32
crimsunnixternal_: it's really up to you03:32
crimsunScottK: ok, thanks!03:32
nixternal_so install them debs in chroot, and then just build the packages with dpkg like always and I should be rocking?03:33
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crimsunnixternal_: sure.  Takes more legwork, but it'll suffice.03:34
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nixternal_well if there was something less consuming and more efficient, I am all ears for that03:34
nixternal_man, I love the Debian GDM login screen03:34
crimsunI think that's about as "efficient" as it gets03:36
crimsunyou'd end up doing the same thing (and more) with pbuilder --login03:36
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nixternaloh OK...thanks for that crimsun, very much appreicated03:40
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RAOFWhen doing a merge, what do we do with the "Uploaders" field?03:45
persiaRAOF: Leave it be.03:46
RAOFk.03:46
crimsunRAOF: in effect, anyone who's a member of ubuntu-dev is implicitly an Uploader, so we don't really have that equivalent to Debian.03:47
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=== RAOF wills g++ to compile faster.
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jdongScottK: pfft.... my ktorrent feisty package is mysteriously stuck in build queue04:18
ScottKjdong: Looks at the Gutsy build queue and how much of it is sparc...04:18
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jdongScottK: heh I saw at least one of the sparc buildd's is down04:19
jdongbut KT Feisty was first approved, but there have been no attempted builds on any arch for 4 days04:20
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jdongwhile Edgy and Dapper immediately built on all arches....04:20
jdong:(04:20
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persiaWould anyone be willing to run a test build on powerpc?04:22
ScottKjdong: I've got stuff that built on every other arch three days ago, but still waiting sparc, so can't mark fix released an move on :-(04:24
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jdongheh04:25
RAOFAnyone know how I can test my texmacs merge in my gutsy pbuilder chroot over my ssh-forwarded X connection? :)04:31
TheMusoRAOF: You may have more luck if you use a generic chroot, i.e one that you build by hand.04:33
crimsunerr, don't.  Make a separate gutsy chroot, configure an openssh-server instance listening on a different non-privileged port there, install the texmacs merge in it, and ssh -X04:33
RAOFRight.  Is feisty's debootstrap able to make gutsy chroots at this point?04:34
TheMusoTwas a couple of weeks back.04:35
RAOFAwesome, I thought I saw that in the changelog.04:35
crimsunif not, just debootstrap feisty and dist-upgrade04:35
TheMusoRAOF: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebootstrapChroot04:35
RAOFOr, just copy out the pbuilder chroot?04:35
RAOFThat'd be faster, is there any reason why it wouldn't work?04:36
TheMusodchroot absolutely rocks!04:36
TheMusoRAOF: Probably would be fine, but you do need to add various files as explained by the above link.04:36
=== TheMuso thinks that it could do with a bit of reworking.
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_Enchainedhi motus04:48
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_EnchainedHow can I do if I need a version a a package and this version isn't in ubuntu or debian ?04:54
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_Enchainedversion of*04:55
_Enchainedand ubuntu package is actually sync from debian but debian hasn't the version I want04:55
RAOFYou can either update the Ubutnu package to the new upstream version, or ask the Debian maintainer to update.05:02
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UrsinhaHi all05:10
Ursinhais there a reason for acroread not to be supported in feisty anymore?05:10
Ursinhaguess everybody is sleeping05:16
Ursinha:)05:16
Ursinhafound the answer, but thanks :)05:19
crimsunI'm sure I answered that to you last week.05:20
crimsun(the bug is closed)05:20
nixternalchroot is all setup, grabbing all of the kde4 alpha source files to build away05:21
nixternalso hopefully sometime tonight, or tomorrow we will have kde4 alpha release available for feisty05:21
Ursinhacrimsun, guess you're wrong, i didn't have this question till now05:36
crimsunUrsinha: ok, I've only answered it a hundred times or so, so I lose track.05:37
Ursinhacrimsun, i can imagine so05:37
Ursinhacrimsun, but i don't miss it, you can bet05:38
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minghuacrimsun: is it because of bug #43780?05:55
ubotuLaunchpad bug 43780 in acroread "Acroread: Redistribution may not be allowed" [Low,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/4378005:55
minghuaapparently crimsun's answer doesn't have enough google juice, or my google-fu sucks05:55
crimsunminghua: yes.05:55
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minghuacrimsun: do you think adding a comment and link to 43780 in bug 107434 and keep 107434 open a good idea?05:56
ubotuLaunchpad bug 107434 in acroread "Adobe Acrobat reader not available in Feisty" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/10743405:56
crimsunadding a comment, yes.  Keeping it open, no.05:57
minghuaadd a comment and reject, then?05:57
crimsunIt is not a bug.  It is intentional and an archive admin's decision.05:57
crimsuncorrect.05:57
minghuadone.05:59
crimsunthanks.05:59
crimsunuh06:06
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crimsunpersia: did you ok this bug?  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/11298506:06
ubotuLaunchpad bug 112985 in Ubuntu "[Sync Request]  Please sync audacity (1.3.2-2) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  06:06
crimsunI'm going to reject that one.06:07
persiacrimsun: Thanks for pointing me at that.  I'll reject it.  I'm still waiting for an i386 jack report on bug 11260606:08
ubotuLaunchpad bug 112606 in audacity "Please merge audacity 1.3.2-2 from Debian unstable" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11260606:08
crimsunok, you do that06:08
crimsun(finger poised above mouse button ;)06:08
persiacrimsun: Ah, sorry.  Always feel free to preempt me :)06:09
crimsunI love our somewhat overzealous user community.06:09
crimsunpersia: nah, it's all yours. :)06:09
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RAOFHm.  One needs to be careful when messing around with chroots & bind-mounts.06:12
jdongrm -rf recklessly?06:15
RAOFA bit of a mv reclessly.06:15
RAOFThere will be a brief hiatus in the testing of my texmacs package :(06:15
RAOFAlthough anyone is welcome to test it from raof.dyndns.org/falcon/ :)06:16
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nixternaljdong: I went with the chroot, it works, well kind of, some of the builds are crashing out on kde4base for some reason06:28
StevenKnixternal: Yes. Wait longer. :-)06:29
nixternalwait longer?06:29
nixternalderr, nevermind :)06:30
nixternalI forgot I told you I haven't gotten a response back06:30
StevenKHeh, that's okay.06:30
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nixternalI talked with Edd today, he is a local DD who I am meeting up with him and 2 others to get my key signed, but they said "steal it damnit"06:30
nixternalhaha06:30
StevenKnixternal: To be polite, you want to give the current maintainer about a week.06:31
StevenKEdd Dumbill?06:31
StevenK(sp?)06:31
nixternalno, his name is much longer than that06:31
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nixternalhis real name is Dirk, by he shortens his last name and goes by Edd06:32
nixternals/by/but06:32
StevenKAhhh06:32
StevenKHence my confusion. :-)06:32
StevenKDirk Eddelbuettel -- the name rings a vague bell.06:32
nixternalno, hence my confusion, I have been calling him Edd, and he goes by Dirk, but his email is edd@de|3ian.org06:33
nixternalheh06:33
nixternalthat is him06:33
TheMusoStevenK: I've seen that name on planet debian.06:33
nixternalsuper busy guy, super cool06:33
nixternallives about 20 minutes away06:33
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StevenKTheMuso: That might be the bell...06:34
TheMusoheh06:34
nixternalStevenK: tell him to drive to Chicago and sign my key ;)06:34
nixternalStevenK: umm, aren't you sitting on a DD ;p06:34
StevenKnixternal: Said DD has roughly 1% vision and isn't driving anywhere. :-P06:35
nixternalyou drive him then, that would be 2 more to add to the key ;)06:35
StevenKIt's a bit wet driving to Chicago.06:35
StevenKAhh, Dirk is in Illinois.06:36
jdongnixternal: cool; glad to see it at least somewhat works :)06:36
jdongand I doubt the crashes are your fault in any way :)06:36
jdongunless your friends are as mean as me and my friends :)06:37
nixternalhehe06:37
jdong(i.e. toying with a Gentoo sysadm by randomly killing his GCC processes with -SEGV)06:37
nixternalI am going to blame it on Riddell anyways06:37
jdongbwahahaha06:37
jdongwe managed to get him to rebuild the whole system with a different set of CFLAGS :D06:37
StevenKjdong: Muahaha. Switch to SIGILL, much more fun.06:37
nixternalouch06:37
jdongStevenK: but more obvious06:38
StevenKIn terms of what?06:38
jdongStevenK: give em the dreaded segfaulted compiler, and they'll spend the next 48 hours on mailing lists and /etc/make.conf....06:38
jdong:)06:38
nixternalI think if I don't get these working, I am to find some poor soul to build kde4 alpha06:38
jdonga SIGKILL looks fishy, but a SEGV sounds a lot more real and less like a prank06:38
StevenKOn first parse, I thought you meant build KDE 4 on alpha. :-P06:39
StevenKjdong: If the arch isn't i386/amd64, what about SIGBUS?06:39
jdongStevenK: haha, ouch :)06:39
jdongStevenK: almost as good as my prank emerge06:39
jdongI once replaced /usr/bin/emerge with a pranked python script that generates random compiler-like output for hours and hours06:40
jdong:)06:40
StevenKOhh, *NASTY*06:40
jdonglol06:40
jdonghe got suspicious after the 8th or so hour of compiling bash.06:40
tonyyarussohahaha06:40
StevenKI've built bash before, I would have gotten suspicious at about the 40 minute mark. :-)06:41
RAOFAwesome, I can now pipe sound out from my KVM through pulseaudio.  Time to test whether I can break democracyplayer on i386!06:41
StevenKjdong: Did you also busy-loop?06:42
StevenKjdong: Otherwise, you get the output with no or very little CPU time used.06:42
jdongStevenK: of course.... it actually does use gcc to compile a binaries in /tmp named gcc, make, cc1, and ld06:42
jdongeach of which is just a randomly gigantic null for loop06:43
jdongso even top output seems believable06:43
StevenKNasty.,06:43
StevenKs/\,//06:43
jdonghaha :)06:43
jdongI'm a bad bad person :D06:43
StevenKRemind me not to piss you off if you end up getting access to machines I use. :-)06:43
jdonglol06:44
TheMusooffline for a while. Got renovations starting soon, and have to move the gear out of the line of fire. :p06:45
nixternalhrmm, I thought it was working, I found my problem with building though06:47
nixternalI installed the kde4 packages into chroot, but pbuilder insists on using the old kde4 packages06:47
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ranfhi07:40
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imbrandonre07:56
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nixternalre07:58
RAOFre, re, re your boat?07:58
nixternalimbrandon: I am about to strangle these kde4 builds man07:58
nixternalhaha07:58
imbrandonlol07:58
nixternalharshly down the stream07:58
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RAOFangrily, angrily, ...07:59
StevenKmerrily, merrily, this is but a nightmare?07:59
nixternalrobitaille: you dropped your sandwich over there ->07:59
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nixternalStevenK: yes, yes it is a nightmare07:59
robitaillenixternal,  sandwich?07:59
nixternalya, you dropped it on the floor ;)08:00
nixternalmy buddy does that, goes up to someone he doesn't know and says "you dropped your sandwich"08:00
nixternaland the person never had a sandwich, yet the turn around and look for it :)08:00
robitaille:)08:00
nixternalhe has gotten me a few times with "you dropped your pocket"08:01
nixternalfirst thing I do is fell my arse, and then turn around, while he is laughin' at me08:01
nixternalanyone interested in a hacked version of the latest yakuake beta from Sho_? I had to shrink down the splitters to like 2px I think08:02
StevenKHrm. I wonder when MoM will update again.08:05
FujitsuStevenK: Not soon.08:06
StevenKFujitsu: Oh?08:06
FujitsuIt was broken for 2 months last time, so it should be at least several days before they get around to fixing it this time.08:06
jmlRAOF: I think the line is "blame it all on upstream"08:06
FujitsuI note we've done almost half of the merges already, and a lot of the rest have syncs requested. Not a bad effort!08:07
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=== StevenK ought to look at doing some main syncs.
nixternalthey have DaD up and running though correct/08:08
Fujitsunixternal: Of course.08:08
StevenKYes. Which is for universe.08:08
nixternalwell, when you are just a peon like I, universe is your friend08:08
nixternaluniverse and I are drinkin' buddies08:09
FujitsuStevenK: I'm sure we're all devastated that you'll have to work on universe instead.08:10
StevenKOh yes, I bet.08:10
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bluefoxicyI have a question.  What is this "mentor" thing in Launchpad.  That reads to me like "Sit on your ass and watch someone else do the work, while you tell them what you want."08:13
bluefoxicyLike getting involved without getting your hands dirty08:13
RAOFjml: What was that in reference to?08:13
bluefoxicy...sounds like project management, actually.08:13
jmlRAOF: the final line of the angry version of "Row, Row, Row Your Boat"08:14
jmlRAOF: I thought it worked quite well08:14
RAOFjml: I'll need to remember that, certainly :)08:14
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StevenKHuzzah!08:14
StevenKclanlib has been orphaned in Debian.08:14
StevenKBecause that's going to make our lives so much easier.08:15
StevenK</sarcasm>08:15
RAOFGood job with that tag, I was wondering.08:15
RAOF:)08:15
RAOFjml: I can blame democracyplayer on upstream, at least :)08:16
StevenKRAOF: Don't make me go over there. :-P08:16
RAOFFeel free to come over, I need someone to sign my key :P08:16
StevenKHah08:17
FujitsuRAOF: You're in Melbourne, aren't you?08:17
RAOFSydney.08:17
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ranfAny MOTU around that has time to look at http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5058 ?08:31
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=== StevenK finds a bug in DaD.
StevenKIf the upstream version contains a dash (which is perfectly legal), DaD attempts to download the wrong files.08:37
StevenKOh yes, clanlib is the most pointless merge ever.08:38
StevenK 2 files changed, 10 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-)08:38
FujitsuLutin: ^^08:38
StevenKLutin: Package for reference is clanlib.08:39
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crimsunranf: have you communicated with upstream (folkert at vanheusden dot com) regarding the license?08:42
ranfcrimsun, yes. He said having a GPL snippet in every source is not needed.08:43
FujitsuThe GPL says it is needed.08:44
FujitsuOr the archive admins, or somebody similarly godlike.08:44
crimsunranf: but he explicitly stated that it was redistributable under the GPL?  i.e., GPL v1 or GPL v2 or ...08:44
crimsunthere's no indication in the source or on the program's web page indicating any license, which is quite ambiguous08:45
ranfI've chatted here about it. Then I got 3 FSF links which I sent him. Haven't heard back from him.08:45
ranfcrimsun, his license.txt contains a download link for a GPL v2 text.08:45
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crimsunerr, please restore his original license.txt, then, and include a copy of the GPL v2 as COPYING08:46
ranfcrimsun, ah ok.08:46
FujitsuThe archive admins won't like that.08:46
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vilhi hjmf08:49
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ranfFujitsu, I'll try to stay in contact with upstream.09:07
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ajmitchmorning09:25
RAOFEvening :)09:25
Hobbseehi RAOF 09:25
RAOFHey Hobbsee 09:25
RAOFHow's Seville treating you?09:26
Hobbseefun ;)09:26
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RAOF:)09:26
ajmitchHobbsee: stop causing trouble09:26
siretartGooooood morning, MOTUs! :)09:26
RAOFHobbsee: Poked anyone recently? :P09:27
Hobbseeajmitch: why should i?09:27
ajmitchhey siretart 09:27
HobbseeRAOF: uh, yes.09:27
Hobbseemultiple people09:27
Hobbseehiya siretart :)09:27
siretart\o09:27
RAOFHow did the doom stick go through customs?09:27
Hobbseefine - customs was lax09:27
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=== RAOF wonders whether it would be too much to expect 1st years to *answer the damn question*
HobbseeRAOF: yes.  it would.  very much so09:30
RAOFThe answer to "find the solutions p(z)=0" should, at some point, include the *solutions to p(z)=0*.  A factorisation of p(z) is interesting, but ARGH.09:32
=== RAOF vents on another poor 1st year paper
Hobbseehahahaha09:33
Hobbseeyou poor teacher.09:33
RAOF>:(09:35
dn4what doom stick?09:37
=== Hobbsee attacks RAOF with the Long Pointy Stick of DOOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
=== RAOF deflects it, and it impales another 1st year paper, sending it up in flames
RAOFWoah, it conducts annoyance as heat!09:39
ajmitchHobbse is worrying09:40
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Hobbseeajmitch: nah...i couldnt possibly be09:42
crimsunwe have nothing to worry about.  She's in the same room as you guys.09:47
dn4deflecting a doom stick09:47
dn4now that is unheard of in these parts09:47
ajmitchcrimsun: that's what I'm worried about09:51
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\shmoins09:54
crimsunyanno, I could use tiber instead of this pokey PII/26609:55
Hobbseehi \sh 09:55
\shHobbsee, hey...how is europe for you? :)09:55
Hobbsee\sh: fun :)09:56
crimsun\sh: you should be there, too!09:57
nixternalcrimsun: so should you!09:57
ajmitchhi \sh 09:57
crimsunnixternal: nope.  I prefer to NOT be prodded with sharp pointy objects, thank you very much.09:58
ajmitchcrimsun: customs isn't usually that bad09:58
nixternalhehe09:58
\shcrimsun, well, no time, no money, and too busy with my move of my home :)09:58
\shcrimsun, and TBH I don't even know what I should do there...;)09:59
crimsunI'm sure a wine spec could be made...09:59
\shcrimsun, so a much better candidate for wine is scott ritchie :)10:00
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\shcrimsun, but eventually I'm visiting one of the two UDS next year10:02
crimsun\sh: excellent10:02
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\shhey ogra10:03
ajmitchogra: how's the little laptop going?10:05
ogragreat :)10:06
persiacrimsun: I've not had any success getting audacity-distributed portmixer to compile against ubuntu-distributed portaudio, and I'm reaching the point where I believe the value of my tweaks to non-audacity clients is becoming negative.  Would you be willing to test i386 JACK for the candidate audacity in 112606 (my last volunteer has gone missing)?10:06
\shlittle laptop?10:07
ograhttp://classmatepc.com/10:07
crimsunpersia: I can later, right now I'm doing six ALSA tasks and trying to print off 300 final exams.10:07
persiacrimsun: Later is excellent.  Thank you.10:08
crimsunbug 11260610:09
ubotuLaunchpad bug 112606 in audacity "Please merge audacity 1.3.2-2 from Debian unstable" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11260610:09
crimsuntomboyed.10:09
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Bra1hello?10:10
Hobbseehiya10:11
Bra1hey, finally!10:12
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Bra1I am in need of some help10:12
Hobbseeshoot10:12
Bra1I have vista installed on my laptop, and I would like to partition it out to be able to dual-boot ubuntu10:12
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Hobbseei think you want #ubuntu10:12
crimsunyes, he definitely does.10:12
arejayBra1: didnt you just ask that in #ubuntu10:13
Bra1ya, but I can't get a response10:13
Bra1everyone is troubleshooting other problems, so I figured I'd try this one10:13
Hobbseethis *isnt* a support channel.  it's not a replacement #ubuntu10:14
Bra1my bad, thanks anyway10:14
imbrandonHobbsee, where is the UDS VoIP list ? can you ask please ?10:14
Hobbseeimbrandon: same as last time?  nixternal knows10:15
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ajmitchwiki.ubuntu.com/UDS-Sevilla/Participate10:15
imbrandoni was actualy there last time , dident need ti10:15
imbrandonhehe10:15
nixternalhahaha10:15
ajmitchand the schedule is http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/uds-sevilla/2007-05-07/10:15
nixternalneed to setup an account first10:15
Hobbseego on, thne10:15
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\shogra, nice one :)10:18
\shhey imbrandon 10:18
imbrandonheya sharms 10:19
imbrandonerr10:19
imbrandon\sh10:19
imbrandon( sorry for the hilight sharms )10:19
nixternalya sharms he is sorry10:19
imbrandonajmitch, thanks10:19
nixternalhey sharms if you were awake you could pimp your enhancedbash10:19
FujitsuThe audio quality is really bad :(10:19
nixternalsharms: and the Bulls are going to devestate the Pistons10:20
nixternalhe is going to wake up thinking he is popular or something :)10:20
crimsunlet him enjoy his popularity a bit.10:20
nixternalhehe10:21
nixternalI am going to do what crimsun never does10:21
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crimsunit sure beats coming back to several hundred messages in one's awaylog all filled with alsa or sound or whatever gripes.10:21
StevenKFujitsu: How bad?10:21
persiaStevenK: One can barely understand it.10:22
FujitsuSome bits seem to be reversed, but there's one guy really close to the microphone that I can understand well.10:22
FujitsuThe rest sounds like... well, it's indescribable.10:22
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HobbseeFujitsu: which session?10:23
FujitsuHobbsee: Automated installation thingy, 5005.10:23
Hobbseeahhh10:23
imbrandonwhat timezone are the sessions?10:25
Fujitsuimbrandon: +210:25
Hobbseespain local, i think10:25
imbrandoneg is it 950-1045 now?10:25
Hobbseeyep10:25
imbrandonk10:25
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StevenKHrm. Can anyone remember a site that you put something in the URL and it ends insulting that thing?10:53
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harrisonyum10:54
harrisony@insult StevenK 10:54
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StevenKDidn't seem to.10:54
\shwho wrote the wine spec on gobby? siretart?10:54
StevenKAn example is say, http://warty.sucks.com/ and the webpage loads with "Warty really sucks" or something like that.10:55
lfittl\sh, yep siretart and smurf during a BoF session10:56
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\shlfittl, ah ok10:57
\shsiretart, ping I added some things to it...please have a look...quite important10:57
siretart\sh: we wrote it yesterday in the bof11:02
siretart\sh: there are no changes to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WineGutsySpec - what changes are you talking about?11:02
siretart\sh: did you contact Scott about the wine spec? he added a note to the whiteboard that he had some comments about that11:03
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lfittlsiretart, he added stuff in gobby, not in the wiki11:05
siretartoh11:06
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\shsiretart, hehe...I'm using gobby ;)11:15
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\shand yes, cfengine is not nice, when it comes to renew a deployment of a server which was already there :(11:15
\shhmm...I'll add my blabla to the wiki page11:19
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Burgundavia\sh: do you use puppet?11:20
\shBugMaN, puppet? you mean as a replacement for cfengine? no, right now we are working on something similar to RHNetwork...but not distro specific 11:22
\shaeh Burgundavia 11:22
\shBurgundavia, it will be a deployment tool and a configuration management 11:26
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BugMaNBugMaN: ??11:34
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siretart\sh: now I have had a look at your wine notes11:58
siretart\sh: I reordered your comments abit.11:58
siretart\sh: your remarks about apport is a bit out of scope of the spec, I think. - they are of course useful and we should probably do that, but that doesn't concern too much how we should handle wine in the gutsy release cycle11:59
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siretart\sh: see also the 'scope' part12:01
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persiaTheMuso: please consider wxwidgets2.6 for sooperlooper and trustedqsl in the process :)12:20
TheMusopersia: Thanks for the heads up.12:20
pochuamule is shipping a debian/ dir since today :/12:22
harrisonywoo12:22
pochuslomo: did you get my mail? :)12:26
slomopochu: yep but what's the url of the new upstream version again? :)12:27
pochuslomo: http://emilio.pozuelo.org/deb/ :)12:28
slomopochu: thanks, i'll take a look12:31
pochucool, thank you!12:31
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TheMusoEvening RAOF.12:34
Q-FUNKis everyone still in Sevilla today?12:39
shawarmaYes.12:40
Hobbseeyep12:40
Hobbseewill be for more days12:40
HobbseeMOTU session tomorrow - if youv'e got stuff about that, or MOTU mentoring, ti'd be great if you could email me, or the motu ML about it.12:41
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Q-FUNKHobbsee: are you there yourself?12:42
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HobbseeQ-FUNK: yep12:42
HobbseeTheMuso: i think it is, actually.  http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/uds-sevilla/schedule.html12:43
Q-FUNKHobbsee: can you please ask magicfab to check his e-mail, if you see him?12:43
Hobbseeum, sure12:43
TheMusoSweet.12:44
Q-FUNKthanks! :)12:44
Hobbseehavent seen him today, iirc12:44
Hobbseewas talking to him yesterday though12:44
HobbseeQ-FUNK: what was teh name / subject of the email?12:44
=== StevenK wonders what was wrong with the pizza he had for dinner, and attempts to settle his stomach.
LutinStevenK: thanks for reporting the issues, I'm looking into it12:47
StevenKLutin: No problem!12:48
LutinStevenK: what are the wrong files ?12:49
StevenKLutin: If you try and grab-merge clanlib, it can't find clanlib_0.6.5.tar.gz12:49
StevenKWhereas it's really clanlib_0.6.5-1.orig.tar.gz12:50
StevenKLutin: That's from memory, I might have the filenames a little wrong.12:50
LutinStevenK: seems that it's been fixed on our new server, though it's not fully ready yet. maybe I fixed it but it didn't get properly updated12:50
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StevenKLutin: The REPORT looks different?12:51
LutinStevenK: could you check another REPORT file to see if the filenames sound good ? I /notice you the url12:51
StevenKLutin: Certainly.12:51
StevenKLutin: Looks fine.12:53
LutinStevenK: cool :)12:53
LutinStevenK: maybe for this one you can use this new server, universe is ready iirc. main is on its way ;)12:54
StevenKLutin: That's the first problem with DaD I've noticed...12:54
LutinStevenK: good to hear :) . thanks again for reporting it12:55
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TheMusoLooks like all packages that go into gutsy will FTBFS on anything other than I386/AMD64.01:02
TheMusoThis should be resolved once the new jack is autosynced.01:02
TheMusothat depend on jack-audio-connection-kit01:03
persiaTheMuso: I'd love to fix that.  You don't happen to have a PPC around, do you?01:03
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TheMusopersia: Its being fixed up stream.01:03
TheMusopersia: Once the new jack is in, we can ak for packages to be given back. i.e rebuilt.01:03
TheMusopersia: What package anyway?01:04
persiaTheMuso: Thanks.  I'll go check the website again.01:04
TheMusopersia: And I do have a ppc.01:04
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persiaTheMuso: Jack.  There'S a new 103-3 that works, but it has a problem compiling for PPC and IA64.  I was hoping to get the config.log from a failed build to track it down.  Apparently, gcc cannot create binaries :(01:05
persiaTheMuso: It compiled in Debian fine, so it's something with our toolchain.01:05
TheMusopersia: Yep, and as I said, upstream i.e debian knows about it, and a fix is in the works.01:05
TheMusoIts got to do with i386 specific optimization flags being used.01:05
TheMusoOn arches that don't support that.01:06
=== StevenK scoffs.
persiaTheMuso: Odd.  It compiled fine for Debian.  I'll go check Debian sources again...01:06
marseillai_hi! anyone to take a look at that : http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5054 it's smplayer 01:06
marseillai_??01:06
persiaTheMuso: Thanks.  I guess we're waiting for 3.1.01:08
TheMusopersia: Indeed.01:08
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TheMusoStevenK: SOunds like a bad pizza.01:09
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StevenKYeah, but what about the pizza is what I'm more concerned about.01:10
TheMusomarseillai_: I am looking at it now.01:11
marseillai_TheMuso: gpocentek too01:11
marseillai_thanks01:11
TheMusoStevenK: heh yeah.01:11
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\shsiretart, thx for resorting them :)01:17
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gnomefreakrunning dpkg-buildpackage -S -sa -vVERSION# needs root or fakeroot?01:32
harrisonyfakeroot 01:33
harrisonyi think01:33
persiagnomefreak: Yes.01:34
gnomefreakso i can just add -rfakeroot to it?01:34
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gnomefreakok thank you its building01:35
persiagnomefreak: Either -rkaferoot, or fakeroot dpkg-buildpackage ...01:35
TheMusomarseillai_: Why did you remove libqt3-mt-dev from build-depends?01:36
marseillai_TheMuso: i'm currently testing debian/rules without configure-stamp and i'll  reupload but i've remove it because libkde4 depends on libqt301:37
TheMusomarseillai_: Ok.01:37
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marseillai_TheMuso: and thanks for your revu01:41
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marseillai_:)01:41
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TheMusomarseillai_: You're welcome.01:41
DarkSun88Hi Motu's01:41
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persiaDktrKranz: Did you have a chance to test audacity?01:44
DktrKranzhi persia01:44
DktrKranzI compiled it correctly and prepared VM01:44
DktrKranznow you should tell me how to proceed, I'm not confortable with JACK :)01:45
persiaDktrKranz: Ah.  Does ALSA work in your VM?01:45
DktrKranzyep01:45
DktrKranzI played an ogg file without worries01:45
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gnomefreakonce its built i use dput *.source.changes revu?01:52
\shDktrKranz, please have a look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/galago-daemon/+bug/11257301:55
ubotuLaunchpad bug 112573 in galago-daemon "Please merge galago-daemon 0.5.1-1 from Debian" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  01:55
StevenKdput revu <changes>01:55
marseillai_TheMuso: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5063 all should be fix01:55
gnomefreakStevenK: ok ill try it01:55
DktrKranz\sh, I will. thanks01:56
TheMusomarseillai_: Ok one moment.01:57
marseillai_oki np01:57
\shDktrKranz, you have to use the source packages from ubuntu and fiddle the changes from debian in ,)01:57
DktrKranzok01:57
\shDktrKranz, because our tar.gz is (IMHO) different from debians...(you can read it from the -0ubuntu1 revision number) so it was uploaded first to ubuntu then afterwards to debian01:58
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DktrKranzI'm going at it later this evening (if i get out of office in time)01:59
\shDktrKranz, hehe :) just scratching over your mail :) doing it while I'm in the office ;)02:00
DktrKranzlunch time here02:00
\shhere too...just had a dner ,)02:00
DktrKranzmy boss is going to kill me if I package during business time :P02:00
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geserScottK: it was too late yesterday when I got home, but I'm uploading pythoncad now02:06
ScottKgeser: Great.  crimsun blessed adding that fix to a pending SRU for pythoncad in Feisty, so once you're good, I'll go do that one.  02:07
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geserScottK: uploaded02:12
ScottKgeser: Thanks.02:12
DktrKranzsee you02:14
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persiaThat's the fastest I've yet seen a bug reported, patched by a contributor, and uploaded.  Thanks eolo999, ScottK and geser :)02:15
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ScottKeolo999 is in the midst of moving, so you might mention it to him when he gets back.  It was his first upload.02:16
bluekujahello guys, a question...all source files must be tagged by a copyright line to be approved?02:16
bluekujaor it's important only debian/copyright informations02:16
bluekujaabout copyright holder, year etc02:17
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persiabluekuja: It depends on the license, but it's best if all the sources are tagged, and there is a LICENSE.txt somewhere.02:18
bluekujaGPL licensed02:18
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geserbluekuja: better put a copyright into each file. this makes it obvious how each file is licenced02:20
ScottKbluekuja: I'd look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/CommonPackagingMistakes/DebianCopyright and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/Packaging/Tips?action=show&redirect=PackagingTips#head-84cf4ff980c600210856eb59a3d1b05b5e6c31e902:20
marseillai_thanks TheMuso ! :)02:21
bluekujageser, Scottk: tnx02:23
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ScottKDoes bug #113058 get rejected because real emacs users don't need documentation?02:47
ubotuLaunchpad bug 113058 in emacs21 "documentation missing in feisty" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11305802:47
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_Enchainedhi02:50
_EnchainedI put a package in build-deps, it's in repos but when I build, it doesn't find it ...02:51
_Enchainedwhat's the problem?02:51
ScottKWhat error do you get?02:51
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_EnchainedE: Couldn't find package libshhopt1-dev02:52
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Hobbsee_Enchained: which arch?02:52
_Enchained38602:52
Hobbsee_Enchained: oh.  you've not enabled universe in the pbuilder, i expect02:53
_EnchainedI checked and it's enabled02:53
Hobbseechroot, or pbuilder?02:53
_Enchainedpbuilder02:53
_EnchainedI check again for universe ...02:53
_Enchainedbecause I can get the sources with apt-get source02:54
StevenKpbuilder has it's own sources.list02:54
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_EnchainedCOMPONENTS="main restricted universe multiverse" in my .pbuilderrc02:55
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_Enchainedit should be good02:55
Hobbseedid you add that before or after creating the tarball?02:55
_Enchainedbefore, I done a update --override-config to be sure02:56
_Enchainedand it's the same02:56
StevenKpbuilder login and look at the /etc/apt/sources.list02:56
geserif you login into your pbuilder, can you install it?02:56
_EnchainedI check..02:56
_Enchainedno02:57
_Enchainedand the sources.list is not ok :s02:58
_Enchainedthere is no universe into02:58
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TheMusoNight folks.03:13
pochunight TheMuso03:16
Hobbseenight TheMuso 03:17
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lionelI am starting to merge asterisk package. Debian fork the changelog file when they begin to package asterisk 1.4. That means that there is no in the changelog all the 1.2 relases after that :(. Should I do the same and get rid of all the Ubuntu version since last october?03:32
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persiahey bddebian03:36
ScottKlionel: Does the asterisk 1.4 package have a different name than the old one?03:37
lionelno, it is still called "asterisk"03:37
bddebianHeya gang03:37
bddebianHi persia03:37
lionelhey bddebian03:37
ScottKHeya bddebian03:37
Hobbseehi bddebian 03:38
bddebianHi lionel, ScottK, Hobbsee :)03:38
ScottKlionel: I'm really not sure what the right answer is on that.  I'd be inclined to keep all the changelog history and then file a bug against the debian package for losing part of the changelog.  Anyone else?03:39
StevenKIt isn't installed as changelog.old or something?03:39
lionelI am not happy on the idea to maintain a changelog merge on Ubuntu and Debian changes03:40
lionelno it is not03:40
lionelIt is a real fork :-(03:40
Hobbseelionel: you should be using merge-o-matic or equivalent for that03:41
lionelHobsee: it is not only Ubuntu changes, hte changelog is also missing all the Debian releases since last october03:42
lionelhttp://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/a/asterisk/current/changelog for current version in Debian03:43
lionelhttp://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/universe/a/asterisk/asterisk_1.2.16~dfsg-1ubuntu3/changelog for current version in Ubuntu03:43
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StevenKlionel: I think I'd merge all of the changelog entries back for this release, and file a nastygram on the Debian package for deleting history.03:49
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lionelOk, let's do that so03:49
lionelthanks for your comments03:49
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Hobbseeoh, found it04:02
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affluxwhat to do if the debian package that has to be merged had no changes since the last merge (only a new maintainer)?04:26
Hobbseeafflux: then add the new maintainer into the merge04:28
affluxhm, k04:28
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slomopochu: ping?04:38
slomopochu: please also take a diff of your 1.2.14 package and the debian 1.2.7 package (err, diff of the debian directories) and try to keep the diff as small as possible (i.e. reorder build dependencies, update copyright, package descriptions, etc)04:38
slomopochu: oh and the new debian changelog entries...04:39
slomopochu: and in your latest changelog entry you say: "* Merge with Debian, remaining Ubuntu changes:" and then list ALL ubuntu changes that are not in the debian package04:39
slomopochu: other than that good work :)04:40
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pochuslomo: ok, will do :)04:41
slomothanks :)04:41
pochuthis will be my first merge :-)04:42
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Hobbsee \sh: 04:42
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algHi guys. Will the respected admins help me with re-syncing the REVU uploaders keyring? I've registered my key on Friday.04:43
\shHobbsee, what can I do for you? :)04:43
Hobbsee\sh: remind me of merging policy please?  the part about not stealing other's merges for a while?04:43
\shHobbsee, oh, well, I just did a couple of packages ... during the weekend...04:44
Hobbsee\sh: right.  which i've now duplicated, and this is bad.04:44
Hobbsee\sh: i believe you could steal dholbach's, if you wish04:44
Hobbseeor anybody we havent seen in a while04:45
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algSo no help with re-syncing of the REVU keyring? Do I need to write an official letter?04:49
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Hobbseealg: oh sure, no problem04:49
Hobbseealg: didnt see your question04:50
algHobbsee: Oh, ok. Thanks!04:50
algHobbsee: Please say when, ok?04:51
Hobbseealg: a lot of people who have access are at the developer summit - and arent actually at their keyboard04:51
Hobbseeyep, sure04:51
algHobbsee: what summit, btw?04:51
pochuSevilla uds04:51
geserUbuntu Developer Summit04:51
algyup, got it. (https://launchpad.net/sprints/uds-sevilla)04:52
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Hobbseeyep :)04:52
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alg:)04:52
Hobbsee     Battery 1: discharging, 7%, 00:14:45 remaining04:53
Hobbsee     Thermal 1: ok, 43.0 degrees C04:53
Hobbsee  AC Adapter 1: off-line04:53
Hobbseebah.  long enough04:53
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pochuare there some photos anywhere?04:54
pochuI've seen a few, but not enough :-)04:54
Hobbseei've only seen 2 lots04:57
Hobbseei think people are only updated today04:57
pochuHobbsee: don't you have a camera?04:57
cypherbioshey folks. Anyone knows why I'm getting this warning ? : 'dpkg-genchanges: warning: unknown information field `Xb-Python-Version' in input data in package's section of control info file'?04:58
cypherbiosIs the XB-Python-Version field unrecognized by the Standards-Version 3.7.2.2?04:58
Hobbseepochu: sure.  it's up near my power cable04:58
Hobbseecypherbios: dpkg doesnt recognise it, it seems04:58
Hobbseei'd say so04:58
pochuHobbsee: then upload them! :)04:58
Hobbseepochu: so how am i supposed to upload non-existant pictures/A04:59
Hobbseewe went to see a castle last night04:59
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pochulol :)04:59
persiacypherbios: 'Xb' vs. 'XB' maybe?04:59
alg:)04:59
Hobbseepochu: x/xserver-xorg-video-intel/04:59
pochuyou could take your camera to the alcazar :)04:59
Hobbseeoops04:59
cypherbiospersia: in the debian/control I have XB-04:59
jekilhello04:59
Hobbseepochu: http://err.no/pictures/2007-05-07/04:59
Hobbsee(mithrandir's)04:59
pochuthat's better :)04:59
cypherbiospersia: XB-Python-Version: ${python:Versions}04:59
pochuHobbsee: and yes, i'm using the intel driver ;)05:00
persiacypherbios: I don't know then.  Sorry.05:00
cypherbiospersia: it's ok. thanks05:00
algHobbsee: very nice indeed05:01
Hobbseepochu: yes - i was looking at merging it05:01
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algHobbsee: I have to run. How long does it usually take to update the keys?05:02
cypherbiospersia: I found05:02
cypherbiospersia: Add an "XB-Python-Version: ${python:Versions}" field to each binary package in the debian/control file ("XB-" is not a variable, its literal, it is needed so dpkg-gencontrol will know that it's a unusual field and that it should keep it)05:02
cypherbiossource: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianPython/NewPolicy05:02
shawarmacypherbios: It's fine. Just leave it.05:02
persiacypherbios: Then you're doing the right thing.  Ignore the warning.05:02
cypherbiosOK. Thank you folks05:03
shawarmacypherbios: It's just warning you because it doesn't know the field, but it's not supposed to.05:03
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alghave a nice day, everyone! ttyl05:06
highvoltagewin 2905:06
Hobbseebah.  it just finished.05:08
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\shbah...I'm fcked05:12
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sharmsnixternal: help pimp my spec!05:16
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sharmshttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/Spec/EnhancedBash05:16
\shhelp ! pimp my dapper kernel towards seeing my raid6 device on an MSA60 storage *grmpf*05:17
sharmsWe could make a pimp alliance: I will pimp yours if you pimp mine :)05:18
Q-FUNKwho gets to pimp hoora_ ?  *grin*05:20
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ScottKcrimsun: When you have a minute...  I've updated the feisty-proposed version of pythoncad to fix Bug #112140 and revert the maintainer change as we discussed on IRC last night.  Debdiff is attached to that bug.  I'd appreciate it if you would confirm the Feisty task for that bug and review/upload the new fix.05:37
ubotuLaunchpad bug 112140 in pythoncad "pythoncad fails to exit when all windows are closed" [Medium,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11214005:37
ScottKAlso adjusted versioning to conform with pitti's last mail on SRU versioning.05:40
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geserScottK: what was the reason for not changing the Maintainer field?05:46
geserjust curious05:46
ScottKgeser: Crimsun said not to do if for an SRU.  05:48
ScottK..  not to do it for ..05:48
ScottKgeser: For Dapper/Edgy SRU pitti has told me not to change it because the tool chains for those releases haven't been tested with the maintainer changes.  Not sure of why crimsun said not to do if for Feisty.05:50
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affluxIf I merge a package without any debhelper-compat-version, should I set it, and if so, to which value?06:12
geserwe usually try to keep the delta small06:14
affluxso I should leave it?06:14
afflux(any dh_ app complains, thats why I'm asking)06:15
geserthe change of the debhelper-compat-version isn't large but it may require additional changes as the package excepts the old debhelper behaviour06:15
gesertry it06:15
affluxIt build good with my pbuilder, I'll just debdiff the debs06:16
geserif it doesn't cause any problems you might leave it in06:16
ScottKI'd ask yourself if it's an issue (as in this case) that isn't driven by some about Ubuntu that's different than Debian, then is it a big enough issue to file a bug report against the package in BTS.  If it's not, ask yourself again if you think you really need it.  If it is, don't forget to file the bug report too.06:19
affluxWell... It didn't work... I'll leave it, since the messages from debhelper are only warnings...06:20
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xxxxx1hi all07:17
lionelhi xxxxx107:19
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bddebianHello xxxxx107:30
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proppyis the feisty stock kernel vserver enabled ?07:37
zulno07:40
sladenproppy: no07:40
proppyok thanks :)07:42
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ant30Hi all, I proposed two blueprint on launchpad, about network-manager and the other bluetooth about (excuse me for my bad english)08:14
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ant30Are there any person on UDS?08:16
ScottKant30: #uds-sevilla08:18
ant30sorry, the unique channel name that I haven't check08:18
ant30thanks ScottK 08:18
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crimsunScottK: err on the side of the minimal necessary fix09:01
crimsunScottK: looking now.09:01
ScottKcrimsun: Thanks.09:01
ScottKgeser: ^^^09:01
crimsunScottK: which bug # is it?09:09
ScottKgetting...09:09
crimsuneither I'm blind, or I can't find it in pythoncad09:09
ScottKBug #11214009:10
ubotuLaunchpad bug 112140 in pythoncad "pythoncad fails to exit when all windows are closed" [Medium,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11214009:10
ScottKIt's already marked fix released because it's fixed in Gutsy.09:10
crimsunargh09:10
crimsunI didn't change the filter under Advanced09:10
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\shre09:13
crimsunScottK: oh sorry, I hadn't realized you had already made the maintainerfield change in ~proposed109:14
ScottKcrimsun: How should I proceed?  Reverting the maintainer field change leaves as with the least invasive change when we release it to updates...09:15
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crimsunScottK: it's fine as is, uploaded.09:16
ScottKcrimsun: Thanks.09:16
ScottKTime to get it tested then...09:16
ScottKcrimsun: I think something is wrong with the sparc buildds.  They've been building the same packages for days.  Just restarted over night with the same packages again.  I was wondering if you'd have a look and see if I'm misunderstanding before I bug MIthrandir?09:18
crimsunlink?09:19
ScottKhttps://launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy/+builds?build_state=building&build_text=09:19
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ScottKhttps://launchpad.net/+builds/sejong/+history?build_state=all&build_text=lyx09:19
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crimsunI don't know how often it's snapshotted, but it seems to be ... proceeding09:22
crimsunping mith in the morning, I think09:22
ScottKcrimsun: OK.  Will do. 09:24
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\shgrmpf09:37
\shwhy is gnome-ppp not working as kppp...09:38
\shcrap09:38
\shlooks like, that I have to rewrite it or make it working09:38
\shwvdial is crap09:38
dothebarthm, how do i add a contributor to a project over at launchpad?09:40
\shbrb09:41
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slomopochu: any progress with liferea? :)09:49
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pochuslomo: I'm doing it ATM, and have a couple of questions :)09:49
\shgrmpf09:49
pochushould I merge the changelog?09:49
slomopochu: cool, feel free to ask :)09:49
\shdoes anybody know, if network-manager is supporting modems or modem devices (latest sourcetree)?09:49
slomoyes09:49
slomo\sh: afaik it doesn't09:50
\shslomo, hmm...just because the "interfaces" method is not nice...and gnome-ppp is just crap09:50
pochuslomo: how? should I remove all the Ubuntu entries, and take the debian ones?09:51
slomopochu: no, insert the debian ones at the correct places09:51
pochuah, ok09:51
pochuslomo: also, debian is shipping debian/README.debian, (which says that the gtkhtml engine has been removed, and they only ships now the xulrunner engine). Should we also ship it?09:53
slomoyeah but s/xulrunner/firefox/ or something so it makes sense :)09:54
pochuyeah :)09:54
\shsladen, it should support modems, regarding upstream changelog from 2006-04-06 by rlove ;)09:59
pochu\sh: do you mean slomo? ;)10:00
\shaeh yes10:00
\shslomo10:00
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pochuslomo: what's liferea-lua? (liferea replaces it)10:02
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AlinuxOShello, maybe someone knows where is locobot_3's guide ?10:05
AlinuxOSfor manage #ubuntu-ge channel.10:05
pochuAlinuxOS: ask smurf at #ubuntu-locoteams10:05
pochuI think he runs it10:06
AlinuxOSpochu, thanks10:06
pochunp10:07
\shhmmm..suse does run networkmanager and modems...lets have a look at their patches10:09
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sladenhello krissie10:15
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Lutingeser: sorry, I just uploaded plplot10:28
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gnomefreakcan someone look at this and comment so i can read it later and fix it as needed or you can always ack it ;) http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=506410:29
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bddebiangnomefreak: iceape? Are you on crack? :-)10:32
gesergnomefreak: why are you using the iceape name? afaik Ubuntu can use seamonkey10:32
geserand why is this a native package?10:33
pochumaybe it's for the new-full-free-ubuntu-derivative :)10:33
geserLutin: np, could you update bug #113118 and assign it to you?10:36
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ubotuLaunchpad bug 113118 in plplot "[Merge]  plplot 5.6.1-11ubuntu1" [Undecided,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11311810:36
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nominare there any developers in here that would be interested in packaging qjoypad?  It's a program that let's you emulate the mouse and keyboard with a joystick.  there is no program in the ubuntu repos that do this and the developer of qjoypad isn't working on it anymore.10:38
bddebiannomin: File a packaging request bug on Launchpad10:38
Lutingeser: sure10:38
gnomefreakgeser: asac and i decided to use iceape10:39
\shhmmm...how could I tell network-manager to reload it's configuration ?10:39
\shi mean to reread everything?10:39
giskarddbus reload?10:39
Kmosgnomefreak: http://revu.tauware.de/revu1-incoming/iceape-0705070840/lintian -> fix these ones first10:40
geser\sh: /etc/dbus-1/event.d/ and call the n-m file with restart?10:40
gnomefreakKmos: if i do it locally can i just upload again?10:41
\shgeser, well, and from an application? let's say g-n-s?10:41
\shgeser, situation: I just added a dial-up connection with system/admin/network and I want NM to reload and catching up with the latest config from /e/n/i10:42
Kmosgnomefreak: many times you want..10:42
gnomefreakKmos: ok ty10:42
gnomefreakKmos: thank you ill work on them tonight depending on time i get done here10:43
geser\sh: sorry, don't know.10:43
Kmosgnomefreak: Standards-Version: 3.7.2.2 -> you can use just 3.7.210:44
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Kmosgnomefreak: after you have it fixed.. just dput revu *.dsc10:44
gnomefreakKmos: k10:44
Kmosand it will appear there with a new date and time, like a new package10:44
Kmosgnomefreak: change debhelper (>= 5.0.0) to 5.0.3810:44
gnomefreakk10:44
Kmosyou can do it with vim :)10:45
gesergnomefreak: don't forget to make it a non-native package10:45
Kmosand test it with pbuilder, to see if the patches are applied10:45
slomopochu: re... liferea-lua had the lua plugin for a short period of time... just drop the Replaces, it was in no release10:47
gnomefreakYou've specified an unknown `target distribution' for your upload in10:48
gnomefreakN:   the debian/changelog file.10:48
gnomefreaki did so!!!10:48
gnomefreakiceape (1.1.1+1-0ubuntu1) gutsy; urgency=low10:48
DarkSun88\sh: Hi, can you so kind to check this merge? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kile/+bug/11077910:48
ubotuLaunchpad bug 110779 in kile "Please merge kile 1.9.3-2 from Debian unstable" [Undecided,Confirmed]  10:48
pochuslomo: ok. Also, you added libxt-dev as a build-dep, and removed dbus-1-utils from liferea depends, do I keep that?10:48
slomopochu: yes, first is required for session managment stuff, second is absolutely useless, especially as dbus-1-utils doesn't contain anything useful anymore10:49
pochuok, I think I just need to merge the changelog now and I'm done :)10:50
slomocool10:50
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Kmosgnomefreak: maybe it don't like +1-010:50
gnomefreakk ill yell at asac when i see him about that since he told me to use that versioning10:50
\shDarkSun88, send me an email please, I'll check tomorrow morning when I'm in the office..:) 10:51
slomognomefreak: that version is correct, your lintian is just too old for gutsy ;)10:51
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xxxxx1gnomefreak: you can ignore these lintian warn10:52
gnomefreakmaybe i should install it first :(10:52
Kmosxxxxx1: not the .bzr one10:53
xxxxx1gutsy?10:53
Kmosxxxxx1: delete .bzr directory10:53
gnomefreaklintian is not installed i thought it was grabbed by another package i got10:53
gnomefreakxxxxx1: yes10:53
gnomefreakbzr is gone10:53
xxxxx1gnomefreak: you don't need, but you can create one with pbuilder10:53
xxxxx1(gutsy distro)10:54
xxxxx1gnomefreak: just ignore this warn, lintian is not updated10:54
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DarkSun88\sh: Yesterday I had sended mail to you with the packages which must be uploaded.10:57
KmosDarkSun88: sended or sent10:57
Kmoshehe10:57
DarkSun88Right, sorry :D10:58
Kmosit happens to all of us :)10:58
Kmosmy first language isn't english too :)10:58
\shDarkSun88, ah...yeah..have it on my todo...was too busy today :( just finished 2 sponsorings :(10:58
DarkSun88\sh: Don't worry. :)10:59
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\shbrb11:02
DarkSun88\sh: Tomorrow you check it?11:02
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DarkSun88check you* :D11:02
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pochuhey folks: If I have to merge the changelogs, how do I do that? do I just insert the debian entries in the right places, or do I also remove the ubuntu ones?11:08
DktrKranzpochu, you have to inser ubuntu changelog entries in the correct order11:09
DktrKranz*insert11:09
ScottKpochu: If you use grab-merge it'll do that for you.11:10
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TheMusoHey MOTUs.11:17
DktrKranzhi TheMuso11:17
DktrKranzare you in Spain?11:18
TheMusoNo.11:18
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ScottKHey TheMuso11:26
Lutinhey TheMuso 11:26
TheMusoHey ScottK.11:26
TheMusoHey Lutin.11:26
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pochuhi TheMuso 11:35
TheMusoHey pochu.11:35
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marcin_anthi guys11:41
marcin_antI found a bug in dbconfig-common package but unfortunately cannot create patch to fix this bug11:41
marcin_antis there anyone that could help me with that?11:42
DktrKranzmarcin_ant, try to expose your problem11:42
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DktrKranzyou will surely find someone able to help you :)11:42
marcin_antDktrKranz: problem is that dbconfig-common doesn't create database during package installation11:43
marcin_antDktrKranz: for example if someone want's to install package cacti11:44
marcin_antDktrKranz: then dbconfig-common fails to create empty database named 'cacti' for this application11:44
marcin_antDktrKranz: user can manually create this database and if an empty database 'cacti' exists then package installation procedure is successfull11:45
marcin_antDktrKranz: I identified where is a problem.11:45
marcin_antProblem is that dbconfig-common cannot create database user for cacti11:46
DktrKranzprobably this is a cacti problem11:46
DktrKranznor dbconfig-common11:46
DktrKranz*not11:46
marcin_antand bug is in file /usr/share/dbconfig-common/internal/mysql11:46
marcin_antand function named dbc_mysql_createuser11:47
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marcin_antDktrKranz: no it's not cacti problem because even scripts from dbconfig-common examples doesn't work properly11:47
marcin_antDktrKranz: and all dbconfig-common packages are affected11:47
DktrKranzgo on11:48
marcin_antin dbc_mysql_createuser function in line 271 there is dbc_mysql_exec_file11:49
marcin_antthat is just not called at all11:49
marcin_antwe got if/else in line 266 11:49
marcin_antand if we don't have user (and we really don't have when this function is called for first time)11:50
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marcin_antthen else should be executed and should run:11:50
marcin_ant_dbc_nodb="yes" dbc_mysql_exec_file "$l_sqlfile"11:50
marcin_antand this line is just ignored11:51
marcin_antI changed this part to something like this:11:51
marcin_antif _dbc_nodb="yes" dbc_mysql_exec_file .........11:52
Kmosmarcin_ant: and why you can't create a patch?11:52
Kmosdon't know how to use diff?11:52
marcin_antKmos: because I don't know how to write this patch properly?11:52
Kmosnot a coder :)11:52
marcin_antkind of...11:52
marcin_antthis dbconfig-common script is just a little too complicated11:53
DktrKranzmarcin_ant, you should file an new bug report11:53
DktrKranzproviding all the information you just supplied11:53
marcin_antDktrKranz: well right but I hoped that maybe here I will find someone that with all these informations will provide easy patch for this11:54
marcin_antDktrKranz: It's propably very trivial11:55
DktrKranzprobably, maybe it's just a one-liner11:55
marcin_antDktrKranz: and while I added "if" to this line (where in my opinion is bug)11:55
DktrKranzbut that could help someone else, so it should be shared11:55
marcin_antDktrKranz: sure but we can create patch here and file bug report with patch inside11:56
pochuwhere can I find grab-merge? :)11:56
DktrKranzthat can be done in a later time11:56
DktrKranzpochu, http://adrishost.homeip.net/DaD/grab-merge.sh11:57
marcin_antDktrKranz: anyway if we add "if" to this line then this script can add user11:57
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pochuDktrKranz: thanks11:57
DktrKranznp :)11:57
marcin_antbut then I got message that there is no database selected, so it's not 100% solution11:57
Lutinxxxxx1: 11:58
Lutinerr. sorry11:58
marcin_antI don't have time and skills to analyze all this dbonfig-common code11:58
DktrKranzI'll give it a try11:59
DktrKranzI'm not familiar with dbconfig, but I can look at it briefly12:00
marcin_antDktrKranz: in /usr/share/doc/dbconfig-common/examples there is db-test-mysql-2.1 sample package12:03
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marcin_antDktrKranz: this package is good for development (it's also usefull to uncomment "set -x" in /usr/share/dbconfig-common/dpkg/common12:07
DktrKranzok12:08

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