[12:34] <TheMuso> Hey MOTUs.
[12:36] <ScottK> Hey TheMuso
[12:39] <cbx33> if i need to storesome information in a database type environment for a python project
[12:39] <cbx33> what would one recommend?
[12:39] <cbx33> gadfly?
[12:42] <pochu> hi TheMuso 
[12:51] <ScottK> cbx33: Most major database types have Python bindings available.  Pick the one you want and it'll probably work out.
[12:52] <ScottK> TheMuso: Do you have time to look at a merge? Bug #112710
[12:52] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 112710 in clamav "Merge clamav 0.90.2-1 from Debian Unstable (Main)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112710
[12:53] <TheMuso> ScottK: Sure./
[12:53] <ScottK> Great.
[12:56] <cbx33> sqllite
[12:56] <cbx33> ;)
[12:56] <cbx33> it's a standard lib 
[12:56] <cbx33> ;)
[12:56] <cbx33> I like that
[12:56] <cbx33> and requires no server
[01:02] <ScottK> TheMuso: I'll afk for a bit, but will stop in to see if there are problems/questions when I can.  Thanks again for having a look at it.
[01:02] <TheMuso> ScottK: Ok.,
[01:04] <minghua> subscribing bugs to ubuntu-qa without discussion is a very annoying thing to do...
[01:05] <DaveMorris> hey guys, what pacakge does the mni iso (aka net installer) count as so I can raise a bug against it?
[01:05] <minghua> thanks ScottK for unsubscribe that
[01:10] <TheMuso> ScottK: I still see patches in debian/patches, yet I don't see anything in the latest changelog entry about them still being needed.
[01:10] <TheMuso> ScottK: Should they be mentioned?
[01:10] <TheMuso> ScottK: I notice you mention them in a previous entry.
[01:13] <ScottK> TheMuso: I mentioned it the previous time because it was a new upstream release, so are the patches required seemed like a question that ought to be answered.
[01:13] <ScottK> TheMuso: I didn't mention it this time because with the same upstream release, it seemed clear.  Also, the patches are not a remaining diff with Debian.  They have the patches too.
[01:13] <ScottK> TheMuso: I didn't think it necessary, but if you want, I'll redo it.
[01:14] <TheMuso> ScottK: No thats fine.
[01:19] <ScottK> TheMuso: Thanks.
[01:47] <mr_pouit> TheMuso: very strange, ctorrent doesn't fbfts here ^^" (gutsy pbuilder)
[01:58] <persia> ScottK: Regarding gaphor in Debian: I'm not confident enough with python to really maintain the package, although I'd be happy to assist another.
[02:06] <TheMuso> ScottK: uploaded
[02:07] <ScottK> TheMuso: Great.  THanks
[02:42] <minghua> computer games are harmful -- wesnoth crashes my X :-(
[02:45] <Lathiat> haha
[03:17] <nixternal_> StevenK: no response back from the guy who was/is in charge of krename for Debian, any recommendations for a next step?
[03:17] <nixternal_> I did find a DD in Chicago who has agreed to meet up and sign my key which is cool
[03:19] <ScottK> persia: If you can get it into Debian, it'll be here too, so we can help you here and you can just apply updates in Debian.  Everydody wins.
[03:21] <persia> ScottK: OK.  I'll mail Cdric.  Separately, does the DATA_DIR definition look OK to you?
[03:21] <ScottK> persia: I haven't had time to review in detail.  If I were going to do the package, I'd probably redo it as a cdbs package.
[03:22] <ScottK> persia: I just looked at your diff.  To understand the data directory stuff I need to see what setup.py has in mind for it.
[03:23] <persia> ScottK: That depends on my communication with Cdric :), but I don't think that would fix the DATA_DIR definition in the source.
[03:23] <persia> ScottK: No worries.  Let me know when you've had a chance.
[03:23] <ScottK> persia: No, not fix it in the source, just want to understand what upstream intended.
[03:24] <ScottK> With a good setup.py and cdbs a lot of this stuff just magically happens.
[03:24] <ScottK> geser: Did you ever get a chance to look at uploading the fix for Bug #112140
[03:24] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 112140 in pythoncad "pythoncad fails to exit when all windows are closed" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112140
[03:25] <ScottK> crimsun: Do you have a moment to give an opinion on an SRU proposal?
[03:25] <crimsun> url?
[03:26] <ScottK> We have a fix for Bug #108612 sitting in Feisty updates.  I'm wondering if it would be wise to add the fix for Bug #112140 to it before we release it.  It's a one liner
[03:26] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 108612 in pythoncad "[apport]  pythoncad crashed with ExpatError in parse()" [Medium,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/108612
[03:26] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 112140 in pythoncad "pythoncad fails to exit when all windows are closed" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112140
[03:26] <ScottK> err Feisty proposed, not updates
[03:26] <RAOF> ScottK: Incidentally, I'm here, anytime you want to get AMD64 build accesss.
[03:27] <ScottK> OK RAOF.  Thanks.  My time is pretty short tonight, so I'll probably pass.
[03:27] <RAOF> :)
[03:27] <crimsun> ScottK: I'd respin http://librarian.launchpad.net/7563882/pythoncad-clean-exit.debdiff without the DebianMaintainerField change
[03:28] <crimsun> (I think I accidentally did it for azureus, but I shouldn't have.)
[03:28] <ScottK> OK
[03:29] <nixternal_> crimsun: Riddell said earlier "grab the kde4 debs, install them into a chroot, and build the rest of the kde 4 alpha packages."  I have been lost at that point. I have been trying OTHERMIRROR and BINDMOUNTS with pbuilder to get this. any ideas?
[03:29] <ScottK> crimsun: Just to make sure I got it right...  I take that diff less the maintainer change and add it to the version in feisty-proposed..
[03:30] <crimsun> nixternal_: I doubt he did that with pbuilder (unless he used --login and copied over using host's root).
[03:30] <ScottK> crimsun: I can also make the version number for feisty-proposed align to the new e-mail so it can just be copied over when ready...
[03:30] <crimsun> nixternal_: I'm pretty sure he just built a clean $release chroot, installed the kde4 debs, and went from there.
[03:30] <nixternal_> I have never built packages in a chroot, only used dpkg & pbuilder
[03:31] <nixternal_> crimsun: do I just create the chroot, chroot into it, and build packages like I am used to?
[03:31] <crimsun> nixternal_: technically, pbuilder is a chroot
[03:31] <crimsun> nixternal_: yeah, that's one way
[03:31] <nixternal_> whats the best way?
[03:31] <crimsun> ScottK: yes
[03:31] <nixternal_> I have my chroots setup and working
[03:32] <ScottK> Great.
[03:32] <ScottK> crimsun: Thanks.  It may be tomorrow before I can get to it, but I'll get it done.
[03:32] <crimsun> nixternal_: it's really up to you
[03:32] <crimsun> ScottK: ok, thanks!
[03:33] <nixternal_> so install them debs in chroot, and then just build the packages with dpkg like always and I should be rocking?
[03:34] <crimsun> nixternal_: sure.  Takes more legwork, but it'll suffice.
[03:34] <nixternal_> well if there was something less consuming and more efficient, I am all ears for that
[03:34] <nixternal_> man, I love the Debian GDM login screen
[03:36] <crimsun> I think that's about as "efficient" as it gets
[03:36] <crimsun> you'd end up doing the same thing (and more) with pbuilder --login
[03:40] <nixternal> oh OK...thanks for that crimsun, very much appreicated
[03:45] <RAOF> When doing a merge, what do we do with the "Uploaders" field?
[03:46] <persia> RAOF: Leave it be.
[03:46] <RAOF> k.
[03:47] <crimsun> RAOF: in effect, anyone who's a member of ubuntu-dev is implicitly an Uploader, so we don't really have that equivalent to Debian.
[04:18] <jdong> ScottK: pfft.... my ktorrent feisty package is mysteriously stuck in build queue
[04:18] <ScottK> jdong: Looks at the Gutsy build queue and how much of it is sparc...
[04:19] <jdong> ScottK: heh I saw at least one of the sparc buildd's is down
[04:20] <jdong> but KT Feisty was first approved, but there have been no attempted builds on any arch for 4 days
[04:20] <jdong> while Edgy and Dapper immediately built on all arches....
[04:20] <jdong> :(
[04:22] <persia> Would anyone be willing to run a test build on powerpc?
[04:24] <ScottK> jdong: I've got stuff that built on every other arch three days ago, but still waiting sparc, so can't mark fix released an move on :-(
[04:25] <jdong> heh
[04:31] <RAOF> Anyone know how I can test my texmacs merge in my gutsy pbuilder chroot over my ssh-forwarded X connection? :)
[04:33] <TheMuso> RAOF: You may have more luck if you use a generic chroot, i.e one that you build by hand.
[04:33] <crimsun> err, don't.  Make a separate gutsy chroot, configure an openssh-server instance listening on a different non-privileged port there, install the texmacs merge in it, and ssh -X
[04:34] <RAOF> Right.  Is feisty's debootstrap able to make gutsy chroots at this point?
[04:35] <TheMuso> Twas a couple of weeks back.
[04:35] <RAOF> Awesome, I thought I saw that in the changelog.
[04:35] <crimsun> if not, just debootstrap feisty and dist-upgrade
[04:35] <TheMuso> RAOF: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebootstrapChroot
[04:35] <RAOF> Or, just copy out the pbuilder chroot?
[04:36] <RAOF> That'd be faster, is there any reason why it wouldn't work?
[04:36] <TheMuso> dchroot absolutely rocks!
[04:36] <TheMuso> RAOF: Probably would be fine, but you do need to add various files as explained by the above link.
[04:48] <_Enchained> hi motus
[04:54] <_Enchained> How can I do if I need a version a a package and this version isn't in ubuntu or debian ?
[04:55] <_Enchained> version of*
[04:55] <_Enchained> and ubuntu package is actually sync from debian but debian hasn't the version I want
[05:02] <RAOF> You can either update the Ubutnu package to the new upstream version, or ask the Debian maintainer to update.
[05:10] <Ursinha> Hi all
[05:10] <Ursinha> is there a reason for acroread not to be supported in feisty anymore?
[05:16] <Ursinha> guess everybody is sleeping
[05:16] <Ursinha> :)
[05:19] <Ursinha> found the answer, but thanks :)
[05:20] <crimsun> I'm sure I answered that to you last week.
[05:20] <crimsun> (the bug is closed)
[05:21] <nixternal> chroot is all setup, grabbing all of the kde4 alpha source files to build away
[05:21] <nixternal> so hopefully sometime tonight, or tomorrow we will have kde4 alpha release available for feisty
[05:36] <Ursinha> crimsun, guess you're wrong, i didn't have this question till now
[05:37] <crimsun> Ursinha: ok, I've only answered it a hundred times or so, so I lose track.
[05:37] <Ursinha> crimsun, i can imagine so
[05:38] <Ursinha> crimsun, but i don't miss it, you can bet
[05:55] <minghua> crimsun: is it because of bug #43780?
[05:55] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 43780 in acroread "Acroread: Redistribution may not be allowed" [Low,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/43780
[05:55] <minghua> apparently crimsun's answer doesn't have enough google juice, or my google-fu sucks
[05:55] <crimsun> minghua: yes.
[05:56] <minghua> crimsun: do you think adding a comment and link to 43780 in bug 107434 and keep 107434 open a good idea?
[05:56] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 107434 in acroread "Adobe Acrobat reader not available in Feisty" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107434
[05:57] <crimsun> adding a comment, yes.  Keeping it open, no.
[05:57] <minghua> add a comment and reject, then?
[05:57] <crimsun> It is not a bug.  It is intentional and an archive admin's decision.
[05:57] <crimsun> correct.
[05:59] <minghua> done.
[05:59] <crimsun> thanks.
[06:06] <crimsun> uh
[06:06] <crimsun> persia: did you ok this bug?  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/112985
[06:06] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 112985 in Ubuntu "[Sync Request]  Please sync audacity (1.3.2-2) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  
[06:07] <crimsun> I'm going to reject that one.
[06:08] <persia> crimsun: Thanks for pointing me at that.  I'll reject it.  I'm still waiting for an i386 jack report on bug 112606
[06:08] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 112606 in audacity "Please merge audacity 1.3.2-2 from Debian unstable" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112606
[06:08] <crimsun> ok, you do that
[06:08] <crimsun> (finger poised above mouse button ;)
[06:09] <persia> crimsun: Ah, sorry.  Always feel free to preempt me :)
[06:09] <crimsun> I love our somewhat overzealous user community.
[06:09] <crimsun> persia: nah, it's all yours. :)
[06:12] <RAOF> Hm.  One needs to be careful when messing around with chroots & bind-mounts.
[06:15] <jdong> rm -rf recklessly?
[06:15] <RAOF> A bit of a mv reclessly.
[06:15] <RAOF> There will be a brief hiatus in the testing of my texmacs package :(
[06:16] <RAOF> Although anyone is welcome to test it from raof.dyndns.org/falcon/ :)
[06:28] <nixternal> jdong: I went with the chroot, it works, well kind of, some of the builds are crashing out on kde4base for some reason
[06:29] <StevenK> nixternal: Yes. Wait longer. :-)
[06:29] <nixternal> wait longer?
[06:30] <nixternal> derr, nevermind :)
[06:30] <nixternal> I forgot I told you I haven't gotten a response back
[06:30] <StevenK> Heh, that's okay.
[06:30] <nixternal> I talked with Edd today, he is a local DD who I am meeting up with him and 2 others to get my key signed, but they said "steal it damnit"
[06:30] <nixternal> haha
[06:31] <StevenK> nixternal: To be polite, you want to give the current maintainer about a week.
[06:31] <StevenK> Edd Dumbill?
[06:31] <StevenK> (sp?)
[06:31] <nixternal> no, his name is much longer than that
[06:32] <nixternal> his real name is Dirk, by he shortens his last name and goes by Edd
[06:32] <nixternal> s/by/but
[06:32] <StevenK> Ahhh
[06:32] <StevenK> Hence my confusion. :-)
[06:32] <StevenK> Dirk Eddelbuettel -- the name rings a vague bell.
[06:33] <nixternal> no, hence my confusion, I have been calling him Edd, and he goes by Dirk, but his email is edd@de|3ian.org
[06:33] <nixternal> heh
[06:33] <nixternal> that is him
[06:33] <TheMuso> StevenK: I've seen that name on planet debian.
[06:33] <nixternal> super busy guy, super cool
[06:33] <nixternal> lives about 20 minutes away
[06:34] <StevenK> TheMuso: That might be the bell...
[06:34] <TheMuso> heh
[06:34] <nixternal> StevenK: tell him to drive to Chicago and sign my key ;)
[06:34] <nixternal> StevenK: umm, aren't you sitting on a DD ;p
[06:35] <StevenK> nixternal: Said DD has roughly 1% vision and isn't driving anywhere. :-P
[06:35] <nixternal> you drive him then, that would be 2 more to add to the key ;)
[06:35] <StevenK> It's a bit wet driving to Chicago.
[06:36] <StevenK> Ahh, Dirk is in Illinois.
[06:36] <jdong> nixternal: cool; glad to see it at least somewhat works :)
[06:36] <jdong> and I doubt the crashes are your fault in any way :)
[06:37] <jdong> unless your friends are as mean as me and my friends :)
[06:37] <nixternal> hehe
[06:37] <jdong> (i.e. toying with a Gentoo sysadm by randomly killing his GCC processes with -SEGV)
[06:37] <nixternal> I am going to blame it on Riddell anyways
[06:37] <jdong> bwahahaha
[06:37] <jdong> we managed to get him to rebuild the whole system with a different set of CFLAGS :D
[06:37] <StevenK> jdong: Muahaha. Switch to SIGILL, much more fun.
[06:37] <nixternal> ouch
[06:38] <jdong> StevenK: but more obvious
[06:38] <StevenK> In terms of what?
[06:38] <jdong> StevenK: give em the dreaded segfaulted compiler, and they'll spend the next 48 hours on mailing lists and /etc/make.conf....
[06:38] <jdong> :)
[06:38] <nixternal> I think if I don't get these working, I am to find some poor soul to build kde4 alpha
[06:38] <jdong> a SIGKILL looks fishy, but a SEGV sounds a lot more real and less like a prank
[06:39] <StevenK> On first parse, I thought you meant build KDE 4 on alpha. :-P
[06:39] <StevenK> jdong: If the arch isn't i386/amd64, what about SIGBUS?
[06:39] <jdong> StevenK: haha, ouch :)
[06:39] <jdong> StevenK: almost as good as my prank emerge
[06:40] <jdong> I once replaced /usr/bin/emerge with a pranked python script that generates random compiler-like output for hours and hours
[06:40] <jdong> :)
[06:40] <StevenK> Ohh, *NASTY*
[06:40] <jdong> lol
[06:40] <jdong> he got suspicious after the 8th or so hour of compiling bash.
[06:40] <tonyyarusso> hahaha
[06:41] <StevenK> I've built bash before, I would have gotten suspicious at about the 40 minute mark. :-)
[06:41] <RAOF> Awesome, I can now pipe sound out from my KVM through pulseaudio.  Time to test whether I can break democracyplayer on i386!
[06:42] <StevenK> jdong: Did you also busy-loop?
[06:42] <StevenK> jdong: Otherwise, you get the output with no or very little CPU time used.
[06:42] <jdong> StevenK: of course.... it actually does use gcc to compile a binaries in /tmp named gcc, make, cc1, and ld
[06:43] <jdong> each of which is just a randomly gigantic null for loop
[06:43] <jdong> so even top output seems believable
[06:43] <StevenK> Nasty.,
[06:43] <StevenK> s/\,//
[06:43] <jdong> haha :)
[06:43] <jdong> I'm a bad bad person :D
[06:43] <StevenK> Remind me not to piss you off if you end up getting access to machines I use. :-)
[06:44] <jdong> lol
[06:45] <TheMuso> offline for a while. Got renovations starting soon, and have to move the gear out of the line of fire. :p
[06:47] <nixternal> hrmm, I thought it was working, I found my problem with building though
[06:47] <nixternal> I installed the kde4 packages into chroot, but pbuilder insists on using the old kde4 packages
[07:40] <ranf> hi
[07:56] <imbrandon> re
[07:58] <nixternal> re
[07:58] <RAOF> re, re, re your boat?
[07:58] <nixternal> imbrandon: I am about to strangle these kde4 builds man
[07:58] <nixternal> haha
[07:58] <imbrandon> lol
[07:58] <nixternal> harshly down the stream
[07:59] <RAOF> angrily, angrily, ...
[07:59] <StevenK> merrily, merrily, this is but a nightmare?
[07:59] <nixternal> robitaille: you dropped your sandwich over there ->
[07:59] <nixternal> StevenK: yes, yes it is a nightmare
[07:59] <robitaille> nixternal,  sandwich?
[08:00] <nixternal> ya, you dropped it on the floor ;)
[08:00] <nixternal> my buddy does that, goes up to someone he doesn't know and says "you dropped your sandwich"
[08:00] <nixternal> and the person never had a sandwich, yet the turn around and look for it :)
[08:00] <robitaille> :)
[08:01] <nixternal> he has gotten me a few times with "you dropped your pocket"
[08:01] <nixternal> first thing I do is fell my arse, and then turn around, while he is laughin' at me
[08:02] <nixternal> anyone interested in a hacked version of the latest yakuake beta from Sho_? I had to shrink down the splitters to like 2px I think
[08:05] <StevenK> Hrm. I wonder when MoM will update again.
[08:06] <Fujitsu> StevenK: Not soon.
[08:06] <StevenK> Fujitsu: Oh?
[08:06] <Fujitsu> It was broken for 2 months last time, so it should be at least several days before they get around to fixing it this time.
[08:06] <jml> RAOF: I think the line is "blame it all on upstream"
[08:07] <Fujitsu> I note we've done almost half of the merges already, and a lot of the rest have syncs requested. Not a bad effort!
[08:08] <nixternal> they have DaD up and running though correct/
[08:08] <Fujitsu> nixternal: Of course.
[08:08] <StevenK> Yes. Which is for universe.
[08:08] <nixternal> well, when you are just a peon like I, universe is your friend
[08:09] <nixternal> universe and I are drinkin' buddies
[08:10] <Fujitsu> StevenK: I'm sure we're all devastated that you'll have to work on universe instead.
[08:10] <StevenK> Oh yes, I bet.
[08:13] <bluefoxicy> I have a question.  What is this "mentor" thing in Launchpad.  That reads to me like "Sit on your ass and watch someone else do the work, while you tell them what you want."
[08:13] <bluefoxicy> Like getting involved without getting your hands dirty
[08:13] <RAOF> jml: What was that in reference to?
[08:13] <bluefoxicy> ...sounds like project management, actually.
[08:14] <jml> RAOF: the final line of the angry version of "Row, Row, Row Your Boat"
[08:14] <jml> RAOF: I thought it worked quite well
[08:14] <RAOF> jml: I'll need to remember that, certainly :)
[08:14] <StevenK> Huzzah!
[08:14] <StevenK> clanlib has been orphaned in Debian.
[08:15] <StevenK> Because that's going to make our lives so much easier.
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[08:15] <RAOF> Good job with that tag, I was wondering.
[08:15] <RAOF> :)
[08:16] <RAOF> jml: I can blame democracyplayer on upstream, at least :)
[08:16] <StevenK> RAOF: Don't make me go over there. :-P
[08:16] <RAOF> Feel free to come over, I need someone to sign my key :P
[08:17] <StevenK> Hah
[08:17] <Fujitsu> RAOF: You're in Melbourne, aren't you?
[08:17] <RAOF> Sydney.
[08:31] <ranf> Any MOTU around that has time to look at http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5058 ?
[08:37] <StevenK> If the upstream version contains a dash (which is perfectly legal), DaD attempts to download the wrong files.
[08:38] <StevenK> Oh yes, clanlib is the most pointless merge ever.
[08:38] <StevenK>  2 files changed, 10 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-)
[08:38] <Fujitsu> Lutin: ^^
[08:39] <StevenK> Lutin: Package for reference is clanlib.
[08:42] <crimsun> ranf: have you communicated with upstream (folkert at vanheusden dot com) regarding the license?
[08:43] <ranf> crimsun, yes. He said having a GPL snippet in every source is not needed.
[08:44] <Fujitsu> The GPL says it is needed.
[08:44] <Fujitsu> Or the archive admins, or somebody similarly godlike.
[08:44] <crimsun> ranf: but he explicitly stated that it was redistributable under the GPL?  i.e., GPL v1 or GPL v2 or ...
[08:45] <crimsun> there's no indication in the source or on the program's web page indicating any license, which is quite ambiguous
[08:45] <ranf> I've chatted here about it. Then I got 3 FSF links which I sent him. Haven't heard back from him.
[08:45] <ranf> crimsun, his license.txt contains a download link for a GPL v2 text.
[08:46] <crimsun> err, please restore his original license.txt, then, and include a copy of the GPL v2 as COPYING
[08:46] <ranf> crimsun, ah ok.
[08:46] <Fujitsu> The archive admins won't like that.
[08:49] <vil> hi hjmf
[09:07] <ranf> Fujitsu, I'll try to stay in contact with upstream.
[09:25] <ajmitch> morning
[09:25] <RAOF> Evening :)
[09:25] <Hobbsee> hi RAOF 
[09:25] <RAOF> Hey Hobbsee 
[09:26] <RAOF> How's Seville treating you?
[09:26] <Hobbsee> fun ;)
[09:26] <RAOF> :)
[09:26] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: stop causing trouble
[09:26] <siretart> Gooooood morning, MOTUs! :)
[09:27] <RAOF> Hobbsee: Poked anyone recently? :P
[09:27] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: why should i?
[09:27] <ajmitch> hey siretart 
[09:27] <Hobbsee> RAOF: uh, yes.
[09:27] <Hobbsee> multiple people
[09:27] <Hobbsee> hiya siretart :)
[09:27] <siretart> \o
[09:27] <RAOF> How did the doom stick go through customs?
[09:27] <Hobbsee> fine - customs was lax
[09:30] <Hobbsee> RAOF: yes.  it would.  very much so
[09:32] <RAOF> The answer to "find the solutions p(z)=0" should, at some point, include the *solutions to p(z)=0*.  A factorisation of p(z) is interesting, but ARGH.
[09:33] <Hobbsee> hahahaha
[09:33] <Hobbsee> you poor teacher.
[09:35] <RAOF> >:(
[09:37] <dn4> what doom stick?
[09:39] <RAOF> Woah, it conducts annoyance as heat!
[09:40] <ajmitch> Hobbse is worrying
[09:42] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: nah...i couldnt possibly be
[09:47] <crimsun> we have nothing to worry about.  She's in the same room as you guys.
[09:47] <dn4> deflecting a doom stick
[09:47] <dn4> now that is unheard of in these parts
[09:51] <ajmitch> crimsun: that's what I'm worried about
[09:54] <\sh> moins
[09:55] <crimsun> yanno, I could use tiber instead of this pokey PII/266
[09:55] <Hobbsee> hi \sh 
[09:55] <\sh> Hobbsee, hey...how is europe for you? :)
[09:56] <Hobbsee> \sh: fun :)
[09:57] <crimsun> \sh: you should be there, too!
[09:57] <nixternal> crimsun: so should you!
[09:57] <ajmitch> hi \sh 
[09:58] <crimsun> nixternal: nope.  I prefer to NOT be prodded with sharp pointy objects, thank you very much.
[09:58] <ajmitch> crimsun: customs isn't usually that bad
[09:58] <nixternal> hehe
[09:58] <\sh> crimsun, well, no time, no money, and too busy with my move of my home :)
[09:59] <\sh> crimsun, and TBH I don't even know what I should do there...;)
[09:59] <crimsun> I'm sure a wine spec could be made...
[10:00] <\sh> crimsun, so a much better candidate for wine is scott ritchie :)
[10:02] <\sh> crimsun, but eventually I'm visiting one of the two UDS next year
[10:02] <crimsun> \sh: excellent
[10:03] <\sh> hey ogra
[10:05] <ajmitch> ogra: how's the little laptop going?
[10:06] <ogra> great :)
[10:06] <persia> crimsun: I've not had any success getting audacity-distributed portmixer to compile against ubuntu-distributed portaudio, and I'm reaching the point where I believe the value of my tweaks to non-audacity clients is becoming negative.  Would you be willing to test i386 JACK for the candidate audacity in 112606 (my last volunteer has gone missing)?
[10:07] <\sh> little laptop?
[10:07] <ogra> http://classmatepc.com/
[10:07] <crimsun> persia: I can later, right now I'm doing six ALSA tasks and trying to print off 300 final exams.
[10:08] <persia> crimsun: Later is excellent.  Thank you.
[10:09] <crimsun> bug 112606
[10:09] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 112606 in audacity "Please merge audacity 1.3.2-2 from Debian unstable" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112606
[10:09] <crimsun> tomboyed.
[10:10] <Bra1> hello?
[10:11] <Hobbsee> hiya
[10:12] <Bra1> hey, finally!
[10:12] <Bra1> I am in need of some help
[10:12] <Hobbsee> shoot
[10:12] <Bra1> I have vista installed on my laptop, and I would like to partition it out to be able to dual-boot ubuntu
[10:12] <Hobbsee> i think you want #ubuntu
[10:12] <crimsun> yes, he definitely does.
[10:13] <arejay> Bra1: didnt you just ask that in #ubuntu
[10:13] <Bra1> ya, but I can't get a response
[10:13] <Bra1> everyone is troubleshooting other problems, so I figured I'd try this one
[10:14] <Hobbsee> this *isnt* a support channel.  it's not a replacement #ubuntu
[10:14] <Bra1> my bad, thanks anyway
[10:14] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, where is the UDS VoIP list ? can you ask please ?
[10:15] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: same as last time?  nixternal knows
[10:15] <ajmitch> wiki.ubuntu.com/UDS-Sevilla/Participate
[10:15] <imbrandon> i was actualy there last time , dident need ti
[10:15] <imbrandon> hehe
[10:15] <nixternal> hahaha
[10:15] <ajmitch> and the schedule is http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/uds-sevilla/2007-05-07/
[10:15] <nixternal> need to setup an account first
[10:15] <Hobbsee> go on, thne
[10:18] <\sh> ogra, nice one :)
[10:18] <\sh> hey imbrandon 
[10:19] <imbrandon> heya sharms 
[10:19] <imbrandon> err
[10:19] <imbrandon> \sh
[10:19] <imbrandon> ( sorry for the hilight sharms )
[10:19] <nixternal> ya sharms he is sorry
[10:19] <imbrandon> ajmitch, thanks
[10:19] <nixternal> hey sharms if you were awake you could pimp your enhancedbash
[10:19] <Fujitsu> The audio quality is really bad :(
[10:20] <nixternal> sharms: and the Bulls are going to devestate the Pistons
[10:20] <nixternal> he is going to wake up thinking he is popular or something :)
[10:20] <crimsun> let him enjoy his popularity a bit.
[10:21] <nixternal> hehe
[10:21] <nixternal> I am going to do what crimsun never does
[10:21] <crimsun> it sure beats coming back to several hundred messages in one's awaylog all filled with alsa or sound or whatever gripes.
[10:21] <StevenK> Fujitsu: How bad?
[10:22] <persia> StevenK: One can barely understand it.
[10:22] <Fujitsu> Some bits seem to be reversed, but there's one guy really close to the microphone that I can understand well.
[10:22] <Fujitsu> The rest sounds like... well, it's indescribable.
[10:23] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: which session?
[10:23] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee: Automated installation thingy, 5005.
[10:23] <Hobbsee> ahhh
[10:25] <imbrandon> what timezone are the sessions?
[10:25] <Fujitsu> imbrandon: +2
[10:25] <Hobbsee> spain local, i think
[10:25] <imbrandon> eg is it 950-1045 now?
[10:25] <Hobbsee> yep
[10:25] <imbrandon> k
[10:53] <StevenK> Hrm. Can anyone remember a site that you put something in the URL and it ends insulting that thing?
[10:54] <harrisony> um
[10:54] <harrisony> @insult StevenK 
[10:54] <StevenK> Didn't seem to.
[10:54] <\sh> who wrote the wine spec on gobby? siretart?
[10:55] <StevenK> An example is say, http://warty.sucks.com/ and the webpage loads with "Warty really sucks" or something like that.
[10:56] <lfittl> \sh, yep siretart and smurf during a BoF session
[10:57] <\sh> lfittl, ah ok
[10:57] <\sh> siretart, ping I added some things to it...please have a look...quite important
[11:02] <siretart> \sh: we wrote it yesterday in the bof
[11:02] <siretart> \sh: there are no changes to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WineGutsySpec - what changes are you talking about?
[11:03] <siretart> \sh: did you contact Scott about the wine spec? he added a note to the whiteboard that he had some comments about that
[11:05] <lfittl> siretart, he added stuff in gobby, not in the wiki
[11:06] <siretart> oh
[11:15] <\sh> siretart, hehe...I'm using gobby ;)
[11:15] <\sh> and yes, cfengine is not nice, when it comes to renew a deployment of a server which was already there :(
[11:19] <\sh> hmm...I'll add my blabla to the wiki page
[11:20] <Burgundavia> \sh: do you use puppet?
[11:22] <\sh> BugMaN, puppet? you mean as a replacement for cfengine? no, right now we are working on something similar to RHNetwork...but not distro specific 
[11:22] <\sh> aeh Burgundavia 
[11:26] <\sh> Burgundavia, it will be a deployment tool and a configuration management 
[11:34] <BugMaN> BugMaN: ??
[11:58] <siretart> \sh: now I have had a look at your wine notes
[11:58] <siretart> \sh: I reordered your comments abit.
[11:59] <siretart> \sh: your remarks about apport is a bit out of scope of the spec, I think. - they are of course useful and we should probably do that, but that doesn't concern too much how we should handle wine in the gutsy release cycle
[12:01] <siretart> \sh: see also the 'scope' part
[12:20] <persia> TheMuso: please consider wxwidgets2.6 for sooperlooper and trustedqsl in the process :)
[12:20] <TheMuso> persia: Thanks for the heads up.
[12:22] <pochu> amule is shipping a debian/ dir since today :/
[12:22] <harrisony> woo
[12:26] <pochu> slomo: did you get my mail? :)
[12:27] <slomo> pochu: yep but what's the url of the new upstream version again? :)
[12:28] <pochu> slomo: http://emilio.pozuelo.org/deb/ :)
[12:31] <slomo> pochu: thanks, i'll take a look
[12:31] <pochu> cool, thank you!
[12:34] <TheMuso> Evening RAOF.
[12:39] <Q-FUNK> is everyone still in Sevilla today?
[12:40] <shawarma> Yes.
[12:40] <Hobbsee> yep
[12:40] <Hobbsee> will be for more days
[12:41] <Hobbsee> MOTU session tomorrow - if youv'e got stuff about that, or MOTU mentoring, ti'd be great if you could email me, or the motu ML about it.
[12:42] <Q-FUNK> Hobbsee: are you there yourself?
[12:42] <Hobbsee> Q-FUNK: yep
[12:43] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: i think it is, actually.  http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/uds-sevilla/schedule.html
[12:43] <Q-FUNK> Hobbsee: can you please ask magicfab to check his e-mail, if you see him?
[12:43] <Hobbsee> um, sure
[12:44] <TheMuso> Sweet.
[12:44] <Q-FUNK> thanks! :)
[12:44] <Hobbsee> havent seen him today, iirc
[12:44] <Hobbsee> was talking to him yesterday though
[12:44] <Hobbsee> Q-FUNK: what was teh name / subject of the email?
[12:47] <Lutin> StevenK: thanks for reporting the issues, I'm looking into it
[12:48] <StevenK> Lutin: No problem!
[12:49] <Lutin> StevenK: what are the wrong files ?
[12:49] <StevenK> Lutin: If you try and grab-merge clanlib, it can't find clanlib_0.6.5.tar.gz
[12:50] <StevenK> Whereas it's really clanlib_0.6.5-1.orig.tar.gz
[12:50] <StevenK> Lutin: That's from memory, I might have the filenames a little wrong.
[12:50] <Lutin> StevenK: seems that it's been fixed on our new server, though it's not fully ready yet. maybe I fixed it but it didn't get properly updated
[12:51] <StevenK> Lutin: The REPORT looks different?
[12:51] <Lutin> StevenK: could you check another REPORT file to see if the filenames sound good ? I /notice you the url
[12:51] <StevenK> Lutin: Certainly.
[12:53] <StevenK> Lutin: Looks fine.
[12:53] <Lutin> StevenK: cool :)
[12:54] <Lutin> StevenK: maybe for this one you can use this new server, universe is ready iirc. main is on its way ;)
[12:54] <StevenK> Lutin: That's the first problem with DaD I've noticed...
[12:55] <Lutin> StevenK: good to hear :) . thanks again for reporting it
[01:02] <TheMuso> Looks like all packages that go into gutsy will FTBFS on anything other than I386/AMD64.
[01:02] <TheMuso> This should be resolved once the new jack is autosynced.
[01:03] <TheMuso> that depend on jack-audio-connection-kit
[01:03] <persia> TheMuso: I'd love to fix that.  You don't happen to have a PPC around, do you?
[01:03] <TheMuso> persia: Its being fixed up stream.
[01:03] <TheMuso> persia: Once the new jack is in, we can ak for packages to be given back. i.e rebuilt.
[01:04] <TheMuso> persia: What package anyway?
[01:04] <persia> TheMuso: Thanks.  I'll go check the website again.
[01:04] <TheMuso> persia: And I do have a ppc.
[01:05] <persia> TheMuso: Jack.  There'S a new 103-3 that works, but it has a problem compiling for PPC and IA64.  I was hoping to get the config.log from a failed build to track it down.  Apparently, gcc cannot create binaries :(
[01:05] <persia> TheMuso: It compiled in Debian fine, so it's something with our toolchain.
[01:05] <TheMuso> persia: Yep, and as I said, upstream i.e debian knows about it, and a fix is in the works.
[01:05] <TheMuso> Its got to do with i386 specific optimization flags being used.
[01:06] <TheMuso> On arches that don't support that.
[01:06] <persia> TheMuso: Odd.  It compiled fine for Debian.  I'll go check Debian sources again...
[01:06] <marseillai_> hi! anyone to take a look at that : http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5054 it's smplayer 
[01:06] <marseillai_> ??
[01:08] <persia> TheMuso: Thanks.  I guess we're waiting for 3.1.
[01:08] <TheMuso> persia: Indeed.
[01:09] <TheMuso> StevenK: SOunds like a bad pizza.
[01:10] <StevenK> Yeah, but what about the pizza is what I'm more concerned about.
[01:11] <TheMuso> marseillai_: I am looking at it now.
[01:11] <marseillai_> TheMuso: gpocentek too
[01:11] <marseillai_> thanks
[01:11] <TheMuso> StevenK: heh yeah.
[01:17] <\sh> siretart, thx for resorting them :)
[01:32] <gnomefreak> running dpkg-buildpackage -S -sa -vVERSION# needs root or fakeroot?
[01:33] <harrisony> fakeroot 
[01:33] <harrisony> i think
[01:34] <persia> gnomefreak: Yes.
[01:34] <gnomefreak> so i can just add -rfakeroot to it?
[01:35] <gnomefreak> ok thank you its building
[01:35] <persia> gnomefreak: Either -rkaferoot, or fakeroot dpkg-buildpackage ...
[01:36] <TheMuso> marseillai_: Why did you remove libqt3-mt-dev from build-depends?
[01:37] <marseillai_> TheMuso: i'm currently testing debian/rules without configure-stamp and i'll  reupload but i've remove it because libkde4 depends on libqt3
[01:37] <TheMuso> marseillai_: Ok.
[01:41] <marseillai_> TheMuso: and thanks for your revu
[01:41] <marseillai_> :)
[01:41] <TheMuso> marseillai_: You're welcome.
[01:41] <DarkSun88> Hi Motu's
[01:44] <persia> DktrKranz: Did you have a chance to test audacity?
[01:44] <DktrKranz> hi persia
[01:44] <DktrKranz> I compiled it correctly and prepared VM
[01:45] <DktrKranz> now you should tell me how to proceed, I'm not confortable with JACK :)
[01:45] <persia> DktrKranz: Ah.  Does ALSA work in your VM?
[01:45] <DktrKranz> yep
[01:45] <DktrKranz> I played an ogg file without worries
[01:52] <gnomefreak> once its built i use dput *.source.changes revu?
[01:55] <\sh> DktrKranz, please have a look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/galago-daemon/+bug/112573
[01:55] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 112573 in galago-daemon "Please merge galago-daemon 0.5.1-1 from Debian" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  
[01:55] <StevenK> dput revu <changes>
[01:55] <marseillai_> TheMuso: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5063 all should be fix
[01:55] <gnomefreak> StevenK: ok ill try it
[01:56] <DktrKranz> \sh, I will. thanks
[01:57] <TheMuso> marseillai_: Ok one moment.
[01:57] <marseillai_> oki np
[01:57] <\sh> DktrKranz, you have to use the source packages from ubuntu and fiddle the changes from debian in ,)
[01:57] <DktrKranz> ok
[01:58] <\sh> DktrKranz, because our tar.gz is (IMHO) different from debians...(you can read it from the -0ubuntu1 revision number) so it was uploaded first to ubuntu then afterwards to debian
[01:59] <DktrKranz> I'm going at it later this evening (if i get out of office in time)
[02:00] <\sh> DktrKranz, hehe :) just scratching over your mail :) doing it while I'm in the office ;)
[02:00] <DktrKranz> lunch time here
[02:00] <\sh> here too...just had a dner ,)
[02:00] <DktrKranz> my boss is going to kill me if I package during business time :P
[02:06] <geser> ScottK: it was too late yesterday when I got home, but I'm uploading pythoncad now
[02:07] <ScottK> geser: Great.  crimsun blessed adding that fix to a pending SRU for pythoncad in Feisty, so once you're good, I'll go do that one.  
[02:12] <geser> ScottK: uploaded
[02:12] <ScottK> geser: Thanks.
[02:14] <DktrKranz> see you
[02:15] <persia> That's the fastest I've yet seen a bug reported, patched by a contributor, and uploaded.  Thanks eolo999, ScottK and geser :)
[02:16] <ScottK> eolo999 is in the midst of moving, so you might mention it to him when he gets back.  It was his first upload.
[02:16] <bluekuja> hello guys, a question...all source files must be tagged by a copyright line to be approved?
[02:16] <bluekuja> or it's important only debian/copyright informations
[02:17] <bluekuja> about copyright holder, year etc
[02:18] <persia> bluekuja: It depends on the license, but it's best if all the sources are tagged, and there is a LICENSE.txt somewhere.
[02:18] <bluekuja> GPL licensed
[02:20] <geser> bluekuja: better put a copyright into each file. this makes it obvious how each file is licenced
[02:20] <ScottK> bluekuja: I'd look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/CommonPackagingMistakes/DebianCopyright and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/Packaging/Tips?action=show&redirect=PackagingTips#head-84cf4ff980c600210856eb59a3d1b05b5e6c31e9
[02:21] <marseillai_> thanks TheMuso ! :)
[02:23] <bluekuja> geser, Scottk: tnx
[02:47] <ScottK> Does bug #113058 get rejected because real emacs users don't need documentation?
[02:47] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 113058 in emacs21 "documentation missing in feisty" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/113058
[02:50] <_Enchained> hi
[02:51] <_Enchained> I put a package in build-deps, it's in repos but when I build, it doesn't find it ...
[02:51] <_Enchained> what's the problem?
[02:51] <ScottK> What error do you get?
[02:52] <_Enchained> E: Couldn't find package libshhopt1-dev
[02:52] <Hobbsee> _Enchained: which arch?
[02:52] <_Enchained> 386
[02:53] <Hobbsee> _Enchained: oh.  you've not enabled universe in the pbuilder, i expect
[02:53] <_Enchained> I checked and it's enabled
[02:53] <Hobbsee> chroot, or pbuilder?
[02:53] <_Enchained> pbuilder
[02:53] <_Enchained> I check again for universe ...
[02:54] <_Enchained> because I can get the sources with apt-get source
[02:54] <StevenK> pbuilder has it's own sources.list
[02:55] <_Enchained> COMPONENTS="main restricted universe multiverse" in my .pbuilderrc
[02:55] <_Enchained> it should be good
[02:55] <Hobbsee> did you add that before or after creating the tarball?
[02:56] <_Enchained> before, I done a update --override-config to be sure
[02:56] <_Enchained> and it's the same
[02:56] <StevenK> pbuilder login and look at the /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:56] <geser> if you login into your pbuilder, can you install it?
[02:56] <_Enchained> I check..
[02:57] <_Enchained> no
[02:58] <_Enchained> and the sources.list is not ok :s
[02:58] <_Enchained> there is no universe into
[03:13] <TheMuso> Night folks.
[03:16] <pochu> night TheMuso
[03:17] <Hobbsee> night TheMuso 
[03:32] <lionel> I am starting to merge asterisk package. Debian fork the changelog file when they begin to package asterisk 1.4. That means that there is no in the changelog all the 1.2 relases after that :(. Should I do the same and get rid of all the Ubuntu version since last october?
[03:36] <persia> hey bddebian
[03:37] <ScottK> lionel: Does the asterisk 1.4 package have a different name than the old one?
[03:37] <lionel> no, it is still called "asterisk"
[03:37] <bddebian> Heya gang
[03:37] <bddebian> Hi persia
[03:37] <lionel> hey bddebian
[03:37] <ScottK> Heya bddebian
[03:38] <Hobbsee> hi bddebian 
[03:38] <bddebian> Hi lionel, ScottK, Hobbsee :)
[03:39] <ScottK> lionel: I'm really not sure what the right answer is on that.  I'd be inclined to keep all the changelog history and then file a bug against the debian package for losing part of the changelog.  Anyone else?
[03:39] <StevenK> It isn't installed as changelog.old or something?
[03:40] <lionel> I am not happy on the idea to maintain a changelog merge on Ubuntu and Debian changes
[03:40] <lionel> no it is not
[03:40] <lionel> It is a real fork :-(
[03:41] <Hobbsee> lionel: you should be using merge-o-matic or equivalent for that
[03:42] <lionel> Hobsee: it is not only Ubuntu changes, hte changelog is also missing all the Debian releases since last october
[03:43] <lionel> http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/a/asterisk/current/changelog for current version in Debian
[03:43] <lionel> http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/universe/a/asterisk/asterisk_1.2.16~dfsg-1ubuntu3/changelog for current version in Ubuntu
[03:49] <StevenK> lionel: I think I'd merge all of the changelog entries back for this release, and file a nastygram on the Debian package for deleting history.
[03:49] <lionel> Ok, let's do that so
[03:49] <lionel> thanks for your comments
[04:02] <Hobbsee> oh, found it
[04:26] <afflux> what to do if the debian package that has to be merged had no changes since the last merge (only a new maintainer)?
[04:28] <Hobbsee> afflux: then add the new maintainer into the merge
[04:28] <afflux> hm, k
[04:38] <slomo> pochu: ping?
[04:38] <slomo> pochu: please also take a diff of your 1.2.14 package and the debian 1.2.7 package (err, diff of the debian directories) and try to keep the diff as small as possible (i.e. reorder build dependencies, update copyright, package descriptions, etc)
[04:39] <slomo> pochu: oh and the new debian changelog entries...
[04:39] <slomo> pochu: and in your latest changelog entry you say: "* Merge with Debian, remaining Ubuntu changes:" and then list ALL ubuntu changes that are not in the debian package
[04:40] <slomo> pochu: other than that good work :)
[04:41] <pochu> slomo: ok, will do :)
[04:41] <slomo> thanks :)
[04:42] <pochu> this will be my first merge :-)
[04:42] <Hobbsee>  \sh: 
[04:43] <alg> Hi guys. Will the respected admins help me with re-syncing the REVU uploaders keyring? I've registered my key on Friday.
[04:43] <\sh> Hobbsee, what can I do for you? :)
[04:43] <Hobbsee> \sh: remind me of merging policy please?  the part about not stealing other's merges for a while?
[04:44] <\sh> Hobbsee, oh, well, I just did a couple of packages ... during the weekend...
[04:44] <Hobbsee> \sh: right.  which i've now duplicated, and this is bad.
[04:44] <Hobbsee> \sh: i believe you could steal dholbach's, if you wish
[04:45] <Hobbsee> or anybody we havent seen in a while
[04:49] <alg> So no help with re-syncing of the REVU keyring? Do I need to write an official letter?
[04:49] <Hobbsee> alg: oh sure, no problem
[04:50] <Hobbsee> alg: didnt see your question
[04:50] <alg> Hobbsee: Oh, ok. Thanks!
[04:51] <alg> Hobbsee: Please say when, ok?
[04:51] <Hobbsee> alg: a lot of people who have access are at the developer summit - and arent actually at their keyboard
[04:51] <Hobbsee> yep, sure
[04:51] <alg> Hobbsee: what summit, btw?
[04:51] <pochu> Sevilla uds
[04:51] <geser> Ubuntu Developer Summit
[04:52] <alg> yup, got it. (https://launchpad.net/sprints/uds-sevilla)
[04:52] <Hobbsee> yep :)
[04:52] <alg> :)
[04:53] <Hobbsee>      Battery 1: discharging, 7%, 00:14:45 remaining
[04:53] <Hobbsee>      Thermal 1: ok, 43.0 degrees C
[04:53] <Hobbsee>   AC Adapter 1: off-line
[04:53] <Hobbsee> bah.  long enough
[04:54] <pochu> are there some photos anywhere?
[04:54] <pochu> I've seen a few, but not enough :-)
[04:57] <Hobbsee> i've only seen 2 lots
[04:57] <Hobbsee> i think people are only updated today
[04:57] <pochu> Hobbsee: don't you have a camera?
[04:58] <cypherbios> hey folks. Anyone knows why I'm getting this warning ? : 'dpkg-genchanges: warning: unknown information field `Xb-Python-Version' in input data in package's section of control info file'?
[04:58] <cypherbios> Is the XB-Python-Version field unrecognized by the Standards-Version 3.7.2.2?
[04:58] <Hobbsee> pochu: sure.  it's up near my power cable
[04:58] <Hobbsee> cypherbios: dpkg doesnt recognise it, it seems
[04:58] <Hobbsee> i'd say so
[04:58] <pochu> Hobbsee: then upload them! :)
[04:59] <Hobbsee> pochu: so how am i supposed to upload non-existant pictures/A
[04:59] <Hobbsee> we went to see a castle last night
[04:59] <pochu> lol :)
[04:59] <persia> cypherbios: 'Xb' vs. 'XB' maybe?
[04:59] <alg> :)
[04:59] <Hobbsee> pochu: x/xserver-xorg-video-intel/
[04:59] <pochu> you could take your camera to the alcazar :)
[04:59] <Hobbsee> oops
[04:59] <cypherbios> persia: in the debian/control I have XB-
[04:59] <jekil> hello
[04:59] <Hobbsee> pochu: http://err.no/pictures/2007-05-07/
[04:59] <Hobbsee> (mithrandir's)
[04:59] <pochu> that's better :)
[04:59] <cypherbios> persia: XB-Python-Version: ${python:Versions}
[05:00] <pochu> Hobbsee: and yes, i'm using the intel driver ;)
[05:00] <persia> cypherbios: I don't know then.  Sorry.
[05:00] <cypherbios> persia: it's ok. thanks
[05:01] <alg> Hobbsee: very nice indeed
[05:01] <Hobbsee> pochu: yes - i was looking at merging it
[05:02] <alg> Hobbsee: I have to run. How long does it usually take to update the keys?
[05:02] <cypherbios> persia: I found
[05:02] <cypherbios> persia: Add an "XB-Python-Version: ${python:Versions}" field to each binary package in the debian/control file ("XB-" is not a variable, its literal, it is needed so dpkg-gencontrol will know that it's a unusual field and that it should keep it)
[05:02] <cypherbios> source: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianPython/NewPolicy
[05:02] <shawarma> cypherbios: It's fine. Just leave it.
[05:02] <persia> cypherbios: Then you're doing the right thing.  Ignore the warning.
[05:03] <cypherbios> OK. Thank you folks
[05:03] <shawarma> cypherbios: It's just warning you because it doesn't know the field, but it's not supposed to.
[05:06] <alg> have a nice day, everyone! ttyl
[05:06] <highvoltage> win 29
[05:08] <Hobbsee> bah.  it just finished.
[05:12] <\sh> bah...I'm fcked
[05:16] <sharms> nixternal: help pimp my spec!
[05:16] <sharms> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Spec/EnhancedBash
[05:17] <\sh> help ! pimp my dapper kernel towards seeing my raid6 device on an MSA60 storage *grmpf*
[05:18] <sharms> We could make a pimp alliance: I will pimp yours if you pimp mine :)
[05:20] <Q-FUNK> who gets to pimp hoora_ ?  *grin*
[05:37] <ScottK> crimsun: When you have a minute...  I've updated the feisty-proposed version of pythoncad to fix Bug #112140 and revert the maintainer change as we discussed on IRC last night.  Debdiff is attached to that bug.  I'd appreciate it if you would confirm the Feisty task for that bug and review/upload the new fix.
[05:37] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 112140 in pythoncad "pythoncad fails to exit when all windows are closed" [Medium,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112140
[05:40] <ScottK> Also adjusted versioning to conform with pitti's last mail on SRU versioning.
[05:46] <geser> ScottK: what was the reason for not changing the Maintainer field?
[05:46] <geser> just curious
[05:48] <ScottK> geser: Crimsun said not to do if for an SRU.  
[05:48] <ScottK> ..  not to do it for ..
[05:50] <ScottK> geser: For Dapper/Edgy SRU pitti has told me not to change it because the tool chains for those releases haven't been tested with the maintainer changes.  Not sure of why crimsun said not to do if for Feisty.
[06:12] <afflux> If I merge a package without any debhelper-compat-version, should I set it, and if so, to which value?
[06:14] <geser> we usually try to keep the delta small
[06:14] <afflux> so I should leave it?
[06:15] <afflux> (any dh_ app complains, thats why I'm asking)
[06:15] <geser> the change of the debhelper-compat-version isn't large but it may require additional changes as the package excepts the old debhelper behaviour
[06:15] <geser> try it
[06:16] <afflux> It build good with my pbuilder, I'll just debdiff the debs
[06:16] <geser> if it doesn't cause any problems you might leave it in
[06:19] <ScottK> I'd ask yourself if it's an issue (as in this case) that isn't driven by some about Ubuntu that's different than Debian, then is it a big enough issue to file a bug report against the package in BTS.  If it's not, ask yourself again if you think you really need it.  If it is, don't forget to file the bug report too.
[06:20] <afflux> Well... It didn't work... I'll leave it, since the messages from debhelper are only warnings...
[07:17] <xxxxx1> hi all
[07:19] <lionel> hi xxxxx1
[07:30] <bddebian> Hello xxxxx1
[07:37] <proppy> is the feisty stock kernel vserver enabled ?
[07:40] <zul> no
[07:40] <sladen> proppy: no
[07:42] <proppy> ok thanks :)
[08:14] <ant30> Hi all, I proposed two blueprint on launchpad, about network-manager and the other bluetooth about (excuse me for my bad english)
[08:16] <ant30> Are there any person on UDS?
[08:18] <ScottK> ant30: #uds-sevilla
[08:18] <ant30> sorry, the unique channel name that I haven't check
[08:18] <ant30> thanks ScottK 
[09:01] <crimsun> ScottK: err on the side of the minimal necessary fix
[09:01] <crimsun> ScottK: looking now.
[09:01] <ScottK> crimsun: Thanks.
[09:01] <ScottK> geser: ^^^
[09:09] <crimsun> ScottK: which bug # is it?
[09:09] <ScottK> getting...
[09:09] <crimsun> either I'm blind, or I can't find it in pythoncad
[09:10] <ScottK> Bug #112140
[09:10] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 112140 in pythoncad "pythoncad fails to exit when all windows are closed" [Medium,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112140
[09:10] <ScottK> It's already marked fix released because it's fixed in Gutsy.
[09:10] <crimsun> argh
[09:10] <crimsun> I didn't change the filter under Advanced
[09:13] <\sh> re
[09:14] <crimsun> ScottK: oh sorry, I hadn't realized you had already made the maintainerfield change in ~proposed1
[09:15] <ScottK> crimsun: How should I proceed?  Reverting the maintainer field change leaves as with the least invasive change when we release it to updates...
[09:16] <crimsun> ScottK: it's fine as is, uploaded.
[09:16] <ScottK> crimsun: Thanks.
[09:16] <ScottK> Time to get it tested then...
[09:18] <ScottK> crimsun: I think something is wrong with the sparc buildds.  They've been building the same packages for days.  Just restarted over night with the same packages again.  I was wondering if you'd have a look and see if I'm misunderstanding before I bug MIthrandir?
[09:19] <crimsun> link?
[09:19] <ScottK> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy/+builds?build_state=building&build_text=
[09:19] <ScottK> https://launchpad.net/+builds/sejong/+history?build_state=all&build_text=lyx
[09:22] <crimsun> I don't know how often it's snapshotted, but it seems to be ... proceeding
[09:22] <crimsun> ping mith in the morning, I think
[09:24] <ScottK> crimsun: OK.  Will do. 
[09:37] <\sh> grmpf
[09:38] <\sh> why is gnome-ppp not working as kppp...
[09:38] <\sh> crap
[09:38] <\sh> looks like, that I have to rewrite it or make it working
[09:38] <\sh> wvdial is crap
[09:40] <dothebart> hm, how do i add a contributor to a project over at launchpad?
[09:41] <\sh> brb
[09:49] <slomo> pochu: any progress with liferea? :)
[09:49] <pochu> slomo: I'm doing it ATM, and have a couple of questions :)
[09:49] <\sh> grmpf
[09:49] <pochu> should I merge the changelog?
[09:49] <slomo> pochu: cool, feel free to ask :)
[09:49] <\sh> does anybody know, if network-manager is supporting modems or modem devices (latest sourcetree)?
[09:49] <slomo> yes
[09:50] <slomo> \sh: afaik it doesn't
[09:50] <\sh> slomo, hmm...just because the "interfaces" method is not nice...and gnome-ppp is just crap
[09:51] <pochu> slomo: how? should I remove all the Ubuntu entries, and take the debian ones?
[09:51] <slomo> pochu: no, insert the debian ones at the correct places
[09:51] <pochu> ah, ok
[09:53] <pochu> slomo: also, debian is shipping debian/README.debian, (which says that the gtkhtml engine has been removed, and they only ships now the xulrunner engine). Should we also ship it?
[09:54] <slomo> yeah but s/xulrunner/firefox/ or something so it makes sense :)
[09:54] <pochu> yeah :)
[09:59] <\sh> sladen, it should support modems, regarding upstream changelog from 2006-04-06 by rlove ;)
[10:00] <pochu> \sh: do you mean slomo? ;)
[10:00] <\sh> aeh yes
[10:00] <\sh> slomo
[10:02] <pochu> slomo: what's liferea-lua? (liferea replaces it)
[10:05] <AlinuxOS> hello, maybe someone knows where is locobot_3's guide ?
[10:05] <AlinuxOS> for manage #ubuntu-ge channel.
[10:05] <pochu> AlinuxOS: ask smurf at #ubuntu-locoteams
[10:06] <pochu> I think he runs it
[10:06] <AlinuxOS> pochu, thanks
[10:07] <pochu> np
[10:09] <\sh> hmmm..suse does run networkmanager and modems...lets have a look at their patches
[10:15] <sladen> hello krissie
[10:28] <Lutin> geser: sorry, I just uploaded plplot
[10:29] <gnomefreak> can someone look at this and comment so i can read it later and fix it as needed or you can always ack it ;) http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5064
[10:32] <bddebian> gnomefreak: iceape? Are you on crack? :-)
[10:32] <geser> gnomefreak: why are you using the iceape name? afaik Ubuntu can use seamonkey
[10:33] <geser> and why is this a native package?
[10:33] <pochu> maybe it's for the new-full-free-ubuntu-derivative :)
[10:36] <geser> Lutin: np, could you update bug #113118 and assign it to you?
[10:36] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 113118 in plplot "[Merge]  plplot 5.6.1-11ubuntu1" [Undecided,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/113118
[10:38] <nomin> are there any developers in here that would be interested in packaging qjoypad?  It's a program that let's you emulate the mouse and keyboard with a joystick.  there is no program in the ubuntu repos that do this and the developer of qjoypad isn't working on it anymore.
[10:38] <bddebian> nomin: File a packaging request bug on Launchpad
[10:38] <Lutin> geser: sure
[10:39] <gnomefreak> geser: asac and i decided to use iceape
[10:39] <\sh> hmmm...how could I tell network-manager to reload it's configuration ?
[10:39] <\sh> i mean to reread everything?
[10:39] <giskard> dbus reload?
[10:40] <Kmos> gnomefreak: http://revu.tauware.de/revu1-incoming/iceape-0705070840/lintian -> fix these ones first
[10:40] <geser> \sh: /etc/dbus-1/event.d/ and call the n-m file with restart?
[10:41] <gnomefreak> Kmos: if i do it locally can i just upload again?
[10:41] <\sh> geser, well, and from an application? let's say g-n-s?
[10:42] <\sh> geser, situation: I just added a dial-up connection with system/admin/network and I want NM to reload and catching up with the latest config from /e/n/i
[10:42] <Kmos> gnomefreak: many times you want..
[10:42] <gnomefreak> Kmos: ok ty
[10:43] <gnomefreak> Kmos: thank you ill work on them tonight depending on time i get done here
[10:43] <geser> \sh: sorry, don't know.
[10:44] <Kmos> gnomefreak: Standards-Version: 3.7.2.2 -> you can use just 3.7.2
[10:44] <Kmos> gnomefreak: after you have it fixed.. just dput revu *.dsc
[10:44] <gnomefreak> Kmos: k
[10:44] <Kmos> and it will appear there with a new date and time, like a new package
[10:44] <Kmos> gnomefreak: change debhelper (>= 5.0.0) to 5.0.38
[10:44] <gnomefreak> k
[10:45] <Kmos> you can do it with vim :)
[10:45] <geser> gnomefreak: don't forget to make it a non-native package
[10:45] <Kmos> and test it with pbuilder, to see if the patches are applied
[10:47] <slomo> pochu: re... liferea-lua had the lua plugin for a short period of time... just drop the Replaces, it was in no release
[10:48] <gnomefreak> You've specified an unknown `target distribution' for your upload in
[10:48] <gnomefreak> N:   the debian/changelog file.
[10:48] <gnomefreak> i did so!!!
[10:48] <gnomefreak> iceape (1.1.1+1-0ubuntu1) gutsy; urgency=low
[10:48] <DarkSun88> \sh: Hi, can you so kind to check this merge? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kile/+bug/110779
[10:48] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 110779 in kile "Please merge kile 1.9.3-2 from Debian unstable" [Undecided,Confirmed]  
[10:48] <pochu> slomo: ok. Also, you added libxt-dev as a build-dep, and removed dbus-1-utils from liferea depends, do I keep that?
[10:49] <slomo> pochu: yes, first is required for session managment stuff, second is absolutely useless, especially as dbus-1-utils doesn't contain anything useful anymore
[10:50] <pochu> ok, I think I just need to merge the changelog now and I'm done :)
[10:50] <slomo> cool
[10:50] <Kmos> gnomefreak: maybe it don't like +1-0
[10:50] <gnomefreak> k ill yell at asac when i see him about that since he told me to use that versioning
[10:51] <\sh> DarkSun88, send me an email please, I'll check tomorrow morning when I'm in the office..:) 
[10:51] <slomo> gnomefreak: that version is correct, your lintian is just too old for gutsy ;)
[10:52] <xxxxx1> gnomefreak: you can ignore these lintian warn
[10:52] <gnomefreak> maybe i should install it first :(
[10:53] <Kmos> xxxxx1: not the .bzr one
[10:53] <xxxxx1> gutsy?
[10:53] <Kmos> xxxxx1: delete .bzr directory
[10:53] <gnomefreak> lintian is not installed i thought it was grabbed by another package i got
[10:53] <gnomefreak> xxxxx1: yes
[10:53] <gnomefreak> bzr is gone
[10:53] <xxxxx1> gnomefreak: you don't need, but you can create one with pbuilder
[10:54] <xxxxx1> (gutsy distro)
[10:54] <xxxxx1> gnomefreak: just ignore this warn, lintian is not updated
[10:57] <DarkSun88> \sh: Yesterday I had sended mail to you with the packages which must be uploaded.
[10:57] <Kmos> DarkSun88: sended or sent
[10:57] <Kmos> hehe
[10:58] <DarkSun88> Right, sorry :D
[10:58] <Kmos> it happens to all of us :)
[10:58] <Kmos> my first language isn't english too :)
[10:58] <\sh> DarkSun88, ah...yeah..have it on my todo...was too busy today :( just finished 2 sponsorings :(
[10:59] <DarkSun88> \sh: Don't worry. :)
[11:02] <\sh> brb
[11:02] <DarkSun88> \sh: Tomorrow you check it?
[11:02] <DarkSun88> check you* :D
[11:08] <pochu> hey folks: If I have to merge the changelogs, how do I do that? do I just insert the debian entries in the right places, or do I also remove the ubuntu ones?
[11:09] <DktrKranz> pochu, you have to inser ubuntu changelog entries in the correct order
[11:09] <DktrKranz> *insert
[11:10] <ScottK> pochu: If you use grab-merge it'll do that for you.
[11:17] <TheMuso> Hey MOTUs.
[11:17] <DktrKranz> hi TheMuso
[11:18] <DktrKranz> are you in Spain?
[11:18] <TheMuso> No.
[11:26] <ScottK> Hey TheMuso
[11:26] <Lutin> hey TheMuso 
[11:26] <TheMuso> Hey ScottK.
[11:26] <TheMuso> Hey Lutin.
[11:35] <pochu> hi TheMuso 
[11:35] <TheMuso> Hey pochu.
[11:41] <marcin_ant> hi guys
[11:41] <marcin_ant> I found a bug in dbconfig-common package but unfortunately cannot create patch to fix this bug
[11:42] <marcin_ant> is there anyone that could help me with that?
[11:42] <DktrKranz> marcin_ant, try to expose your problem
[11:42] <DktrKranz> you will surely find someone able to help you :)
[11:43] <marcin_ant> DktrKranz: problem is that dbconfig-common doesn't create database during package installation
[11:44] <marcin_ant> DktrKranz: for example if someone want's to install package cacti
[11:44] <marcin_ant> DktrKranz: then dbconfig-common fails to create empty database named 'cacti' for this application
[11:45] <marcin_ant> DktrKranz: user can manually create this database and if an empty database 'cacti' exists then package installation procedure is successfull
[11:45] <marcin_ant> DktrKranz: I identified where is a problem.
[11:46] <marcin_ant> Problem is that dbconfig-common cannot create database user for cacti
[11:46] <DktrKranz> probably this is a cacti problem
[11:46] <DktrKranz> nor dbconfig-common
[11:46] <DktrKranz> *not
[11:46] <marcin_ant> and bug is in file /usr/share/dbconfig-common/internal/mysql
[11:47] <marcin_ant> and function named dbc_mysql_createuser
[11:47] <marcin_ant> DktrKranz: no it's not cacti problem because even scripts from dbconfig-common examples doesn't work properly
[11:47] <marcin_ant> DktrKranz: and all dbconfig-common packages are affected
[11:48] <DktrKranz> go on
[11:49] <marcin_ant> in dbc_mysql_createuser function in line 271 there is dbc_mysql_exec_file
[11:49] <marcin_ant> that is just not called at all
[11:49] <marcin_ant> we got if/else in line 266 
[11:50] <marcin_ant> and if we don't have user (and we really don't have when this function is called for first time)
[11:50] <marcin_ant> then else should be executed and should run:
[11:50] <marcin_ant> _dbc_nodb="yes" dbc_mysql_exec_file "$l_sqlfile"
[11:51] <marcin_ant> and this line is just ignored
[11:51] <marcin_ant> I changed this part to something like this:
[11:52] <marcin_ant> if _dbc_nodb="yes" dbc_mysql_exec_file .........
[11:52] <Kmos> marcin_ant: and why you can't create a patch?
[11:52] <Kmos> don't know how to use diff?
[11:52] <marcin_ant> Kmos: because I don't know how to write this patch properly?
[11:52] <Kmos> not a coder :)
[11:52] <marcin_ant> kind of...
[11:53] <marcin_ant> this dbconfig-common script is just a little too complicated
[11:53] <DktrKranz> marcin_ant, you should file an new bug report
[11:53] <DktrKranz> providing all the information you just supplied
[11:54] <marcin_ant> DktrKranz: well right but I hoped that maybe here I will find someone that with all these informations will provide easy patch for this
[11:55] <marcin_ant> DktrKranz: It's propably very trivial
[11:55] <DktrKranz> probably, maybe it's just a one-liner
[11:55] <marcin_ant> DktrKranz: and while I added "if" to this line (where in my opinion is bug)
[11:55] <DktrKranz> but that could help someone else, so it should be shared
[11:56] <marcin_ant> DktrKranz: sure but we can create patch here and file bug report with patch inside
[11:56] <pochu> where can I find grab-merge? :)
[11:56] <DktrKranz> that can be done in a later time
[11:57] <DktrKranz> pochu, http://adrishost.homeip.net/DaD/grab-merge.sh
[11:57] <marcin_ant> DktrKranz: anyway if we add "if" to this line then this script can add user
[11:57] <pochu> DktrKranz: thanks
[11:57] <DktrKranz> np :)
[11:57] <marcin_ant> but then I got message that there is no database selected, so it's not 100% solution
[11:58] <Lutin> xxxxx1: 
[11:58] <Lutin> err. sorry
[11:58] <marcin_ant> I don't have time and skills to analyze all this dbonfig-common code
[11:59] <DktrKranz> I'll give it a try
[12:00] <DktrKranz> I'm not familiar with dbconfig, but I can look at it briefly
[12:03] <marcin_ant> DktrKranz: in /usr/share/doc/dbconfig-common/examples there is db-test-mysql-2.1 sample package
[12:07] <marcin_ant> DktrKranz: this package is good for development (it's also usefull to uncomment "set -x" in /usr/share/dbconfig-common/dpkg/common
[12:08] <DktrKranz> ok