=== jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #ubuntu-motu === kjalil [n=kjalil@host86-139-182-23.range86-139.btcentralplus.com] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Ex-Chat"] === jwhitlark [n=jwhitlar@64-121-52-87.c3-0.snmt-ubr1.sfrn-snmt.ca.cable.rcn.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jwhitlark [n=jwhitlar@64-121-52-87.c3-0.snmt-ubr1.sfrn-snmt.ca.cable.rcn.com] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === ivoks [n=ivoks@35-166.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === somerville32 [n=somervil@ubuntu/member/somerville32] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:34] Hey MOTUs. [12:36] Hey TheMuso === cbx33 [n=pete@ubuntu/member/cbx33] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:39] if i need to storesome information in a database type environment for a python project [12:39] what would one recommend? [12:39] gadfly? [12:42] hi TheMuso === concept10 [n=concept1@ppp-70-250-189-14.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:51] cbx33: Most major database types have Python bindings available. Pick the one you want and it'll probably work out. [12:52] TheMuso: Do you have time to look at a merge? Bug #112710 [12:52] Launchpad bug 112710 in clamav "Merge clamav 0.90.2-1 from Debian Unstable (Main)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/112710 [12:53] ScottK: Sure./ [12:53] Great. [12:56] sqllite [12:56] ;) [12:56] it's a standard lib [12:56] ;) [12:56] I like that [12:56] and requires no server === jml [n=jml@121.44.221.65] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:02] TheMuso: I'll afk for a bit, but will stop in to see if there are problems/questions when I can. Thanks again for having a look at it. [01:02] ScottK: Ok., [01:04] subscribing bugs to ubuntu-qa without discussion is a very annoying thing to do... === DaveMorris [n=dave@host-212-158-244-26.bulldogdsl.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:05] hey guys, what pacakge does the mni iso (aka net installer) count as so I can raise a bug against it? [01:05] thanks ScottK for unsubscribe that [01:10] ScottK: I still see patches in debian/patches, yet I don't see anything in the latest changelog entry about them still being needed. [01:10] ScottK: Should they be mentioned? [01:10] ScottK: I notice you mention them in a previous entry. === DaveMorris [n=dave@host-212-158-244-26.bulldogdsl.com] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === ScottK looks [01:13] TheMuso: I mentioned it the previous time because it was a new upstream release, so are the patches required seemed like a question that ought to be answered. [01:13] TheMuso: I didn't mention it this time because with the same upstream release, it seemed clear. Also, the patches are not a remaining diff with Debian. They have the patches too. [01:13] TheMuso: I didn't think it necessary, but if you want, I'll redo it. [01:14] ScottK: No thats fine. === MatthewV [n=MatthewV@123.200.139.70] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lfittl [n=lfittl@198.Red-83-59-69.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:19] TheMuso: Thanks. === gouki [n=gouki@bl4-190-184.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jml [n=jml@ppp108-61.static.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === WikiMan [n=MatthewV@202.183.120.253] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bleinmono [n=toffel@ppp85-141-148-9.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:47] TheMuso: very strange, ctorrent doesn't fbfts here ^^" (gutsy pbuilder) [01:58] ScottK: Regarding gaphor in Debian: I'm not confident enough with python to really maintain the package, although I'd be happy to assist another. === TheMuso [n=luke@ubuntu/member/themuso] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:06] ScottK: uploaded [02:07] TheMuso: Great. THanks === RAOF [n=Chris_@matht464.maths.unsw.edu.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === nitronel1 [n=nitronel@47.pool85-50-67.dynamic.orange.es] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bhale [n=bhale@brandonhale.us] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mr_pouit [n=mrpouit@ubuntu/member/mrpouit] has joined #ubuntu-motu === minghua [n=minghua@ubuntu/member/minghua] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:42] computer games are harmful -- wesnoth crashes my X :-( [02:45] haha === concept10 [n=concept1@ppp-70-250-189-14.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Monk-e [n=guido-fe@c529dd229.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zul [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === reggaemanu [n=manu@ARennes-257-1-110-39.w86-210.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Denni2 [n=dennis@59.93.35.185] has joined #ubuntu-motu === go1 [n=matthew@adsl-69-236-112-30.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:17] StevenK: no response back from the guy who was/is in charge of krename for Debian, any recommendations for a next step? [03:17] I did find a DD in Chicago who has agreed to meet up and sign my key which is cool === Jucato [n=jucato@ubuntu/member/Jucato] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:19] persia: If you can get it into Debian, it'll be here too, so we can help you here and you can just apply updates in Debian. Everydody wins. === go1 [n=matthew@adsl-69-236-112-30.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [03:21] ScottK: OK. I'll mail Cdric. Separately, does the DATA_DIR definition look OK to you? [03:21] persia: I haven't had time to review in detail. If I were going to do the package, I'd probably redo it as a cdbs package. [03:22] persia: I just looked at your diff. To understand the data directory stuff I need to see what setup.py has in mind for it. [03:23] ScottK: That depends on my communication with Cdric :), but I don't think that would fix the DATA_DIR definition in the source. [03:23] ScottK: No worries. Let me know when you've had a chance. [03:23] persia: No, not fix it in the source, just want to understand what upstream intended. [03:24] With a good setup.py and cdbs a lot of this stuff just magically happens. === nitronel1 [n=nitronel@47.pool85-50-67.dynamic.orange.es] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [03:24] geser: Did you ever get a chance to look at uploading the fix for Bug #112140 [03:24] Launchpad bug 112140 in pythoncad "pythoncad fails to exit when all windows are closed" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/112140 [03:25] crimsun: Do you have a moment to give an opinion on an SRU proposal? [03:25] url? [03:26] We have a fix for Bug #108612 sitting in Feisty updates. I'm wondering if it would be wise to add the fix for Bug #112140 to it before we release it. It's a one liner [03:26] Launchpad bug 108612 in pythoncad "[apport] pythoncad crashed with ExpatError in parse()" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/108612 [03:26] Launchpad bug 112140 in pythoncad "pythoncad fails to exit when all windows are closed" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/112140 [03:26] err Feisty proposed, not updates [03:26] ScottK: Incidentally, I'm here, anytime you want to get AMD64 build accesss. [03:27] OK RAOF. Thanks. My time is pretty short tonight, so I'll probably pass. [03:27] :) [03:27] ScottK: I'd respin http://librarian.launchpad.net/7563882/pythoncad-clean-exit.debdiff without the DebianMaintainerField change [03:28] (I think I accidentally did it for azureus, but I shouldn't have.) [03:28] OK [03:29] crimsun: Riddell said earlier "grab the kde4 debs, install them into a chroot, and build the rest of the kde 4 alpha packages." I have been lost at that point. I have been trying OTHERMIRROR and BINDMOUNTS with pbuilder to get this. any ideas? [03:29] crimsun: Just to make sure I got it right... I take that diff less the maintainer change and add it to the version in feisty-proposed.. [03:30] nixternal_: I doubt he did that with pbuilder (unless he used --login and copied over using host's root). [03:30] crimsun: I can also make the version number for feisty-proposed align to the new e-mail so it can just be copied over when ready... [03:30] nixternal_: I'm pretty sure he just built a clean $release chroot, installed the kde4 debs, and went from there. [03:30] I have never built packages in a chroot, only used dpkg & pbuilder [03:31] crimsun: do I just create the chroot, chroot into it, and build packages like I am used to? [03:31] nixternal_: technically, pbuilder is a chroot [03:31] nixternal_: yeah, that's one way [03:31] whats the best way? [03:31] ScottK: yes [03:31] I have my chroots setup and working [03:32] Great. [03:32] crimsun: Thanks. It may be tomorrow before I can get to it, but I'll get it done. [03:32] nixternal_: it's really up to you [03:32] ScottK: ok, thanks! [03:33] so install them debs in chroot, and then just build the packages with dpkg like always and I should be rocking? === CarlF1 [n=carl@c-76-29-9-184.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:34] nixternal_: sure. Takes more legwork, but it'll suffice. === Denni2 [n=dennis@59.93.35.185] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [03:34] well if there was something less consuming and more efficient, I am all ears for that [03:34] man, I love the Debian GDM login screen [03:36] I think that's about as "efficient" as it gets [03:36] you'd end up doing the same thing (and more) with pbuilder --login === CarlF1 [n=carl@c-76-29-9-184.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === CarlF1 [n=carl@c-76-29-9-184.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:40] oh OK...thanks for that crimsun, very much appreicated === gouki [n=gouki@ubuntu/member/gouki] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:45] When doing a merge, what do we do with the "Uploaders" field? [03:46] RAOF: Leave it be. [03:46] k. [03:47] RAOF: in effect, anyone who's a member of ubuntu-dev is implicitly an Uploader, so we don't really have that equivalent to Debian. === jikanter [n=jikanter@c-24-12-220-77.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jdong_ [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #ubuntu-motu === rexbron [n=rexbron@CPE001310b2d1d1-CM0012256e816a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jml [n=jml@ppp108-61.static.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === RAOF wills g++ to compile faster. === ScottK wonders what the heck is up with the Gutsy Sparc builddds. === NixxiE [i=ircap8@conm200-116-120-135.epm.net.co] has joined #ubuntu-motu === NixxiE [i=ircap8@conm200-116-120-135.epm.net.co] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [04:18] ScottK: pfft.... my ktorrent feisty package is mysteriously stuck in build queue [04:18] jdong: Looks at the Gutsy build queue and how much of it is sparc... === persia has sparc packages now waiting 5 days. It just takes longer on sparc: look at the times for the successful builds compared to the other architectures. [04:19] ScottK: heh I saw at least one of the sparc buildd's is down [04:20] but KT Feisty was first approved, but there have been no attempted builds on any arch for 4 days === linitrofe [n=lino@pc-243-72-104-200.cm.vtr.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:20] while Edgy and Dapper immediately built on all arches.... [04:20] :( === linitrofe [n=lino@pc-243-72-104-200.cm.vtr.net] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Abandonando"] === RAOF tests his texmacs merge [04:22] Would anyone be willing to run a test build on powerpc? [04:24] jdong: I've got stuff that built on every other arch three days ago, but still waiting sparc, so can't mark fix released an move on :-( === TheMuso [n=luke@ubuntu/member/themuso] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:25] heh [04:31] Anyone know how I can test my texmacs merge in my gutsy pbuilder chroot over my ssh-forwarded X connection? :) [04:33] RAOF: You may have more luck if you use a generic chroot, i.e one that you build by hand. [04:33] err, don't. Make a separate gutsy chroot, configure an openssh-server instance listening on a different non-privileged port there, install the texmacs merge in it, and ssh -X [04:34] Right. Is feisty's debootstrap able to make gutsy chroots at this point? [04:35] Twas a couple of weeks back. [04:35] Awesome, I thought I saw that in the changelog. [04:35] if not, just debootstrap feisty and dist-upgrade [04:35] RAOF: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebootstrapChroot [04:35] Or, just copy out the pbuilder chroot? [04:36] That'd be faster, is there any reason why it wouldn't work? [04:36] dchroot absolutely rocks! [04:36] RAOF: Probably would be fine, but you do need to add various files as explained by the above link. === TheMuso thinks that it could do with a bit of reworking. === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-motu === _Enchained [n=cyrille@set25-1-88-166-169-102.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:48] <_Enchained> hi motus === RAOF watches deboostrap slowly crawl through. [04:54] <_Enchained> How can I do if I need a version a a package and this version isn't in ubuntu or debian ? === minghua [n=minghua@ubuntu/member/minghua] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:55] <_Enchained> version of* [04:55] <_Enchained> and ubuntu package is actually sync from debian but debian hasn't the version I want [05:02] You can either update the Ubutnu package to the new upstream version, or ask the Debian maintainer to update. === Ursinha [n=ursinha@201.82.44.64] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:10] Hi all [05:10] is there a reason for acroread not to be supported in feisty anymore? [05:16] guess everybody is sleeping [05:16] :) [05:19] found the answer, but thanks :) [05:20] I'm sure I answered that to you last week. [05:20] (the bug is closed) [05:21] chroot is all setup, grabbing all of the kde4 alpha source files to build away [05:21] so hopefully sometime tonight, or tomorrow we will have kde4 alpha release available for feisty [05:36] crimsun, guess you're wrong, i didn't have this question till now [05:37] Ursinha: ok, I've only answered it a hundred times or so, so I lose track. [05:37] crimsun, i can imagine so [05:38] crimsun, but i don't miss it, you can bet === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #ubuntu-motu === freeflying [n=freeflyi@221.216.19.85] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:55] crimsun: is it because of bug #43780? [05:55] Launchpad bug 43780 in acroread "Acroread: Redistribution may not be allowed" [Low,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/43780 [05:55] apparently crimsun's answer doesn't have enough google juice, or my google-fu sucks [05:55] minghua: yes. === rexbron [n=rexbron@CPE001310b2d1d1-CM0012256e816a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:56] crimsun: do you think adding a comment and link to 43780 in bug 107434 and keep 107434 open a good idea? [05:56] Launchpad bug 107434 in acroread "Adobe Acrobat reader not available in Feisty" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/107434 [05:57] adding a comment, yes. Keeping it open, no. [05:57] add a comment and reject, then? [05:57] It is not a bug. It is intentional and an archive admin's decision. [05:57] correct. [05:59] done. [05:59] thanks. [06:06] uh === schultmc [n=schultmc@c-69-138-34-114.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:06] persia: did you ok this bug? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/112985 [06:06] Launchpad bug 112985 in Ubuntu "[Sync Request] Please sync audacity (1.3.2-2) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] [06:07] I'm going to reject that one. [06:08] crimsun: Thanks for pointing me at that. I'll reject it. I'm still waiting for an i386 jack report on bug 112606 [06:08] Launchpad bug 112606 in audacity "Please merge audacity 1.3.2-2 from Debian unstable" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/112606 [06:08] ok, you do that [06:08] (finger poised above mouse button ;) [06:09] crimsun: Ah, sorry. Always feel free to preempt me :) [06:09] I love our somewhat overzealous user community. [06:09] persia: nah, it's all yours. :) === gouki [n=gouki@ubuntu/member/gouki] has joined #ubuntu-motu === crimsun -> dinner [06:12] Hm. One needs to be careful when messing around with chroots & bind-mounts. [06:15] rm -rf recklessly? [06:15] A bit of a mv reclessly. [06:15] There will be a brief hiatus in the testing of my texmacs package :( [06:16] Although anyone is welcome to test it from raof.dyndns.org/falcon/ :) === mwolson [i=mwolson@jpi-wlafyte-212-116.dmisinetworks.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:28] jdong: I went with the chroot, it works, well kind of, some of the builds are crashing out on kde4base for some reason [06:29] nixternal: Yes. Wait longer. :-) [06:29] wait longer? [06:30] derr, nevermind :) [06:30] I forgot I told you I haven't gotten a response back [06:30] Heh, that's okay. === StevenK just unawayed and saw the log. [06:30] I talked with Edd today, he is a local DD who I am meeting up with him and 2 others to get my key signed, but they said "steal it damnit" [06:30] haha [06:31] nixternal: To be polite, you want to give the current maintainer about a week. [06:31] Edd Dumbill? [06:31] (sp?) [06:31] no, his name is much longer than that === StevenK looks him up [06:32] his real name is Dirk, by he shortens his last name and goes by Edd [06:32] s/by/but [06:32] Ahhh [06:32] Hence my confusion. :-) [06:32] Dirk Eddelbuettel -- the name rings a vague bell. [06:33] no, hence my confusion, I have been calling him Edd, and he goes by Dirk, but his email is edd@de|3ian.org [06:33] heh [06:33] that is him [06:33] StevenK: I've seen that name on planet debian. [06:33] super busy guy, super cool [06:33] lives about 20 minutes away === StevenK has a DD sitting about 7 metres away from him. [06:34] TheMuso: That might be the bell... [06:34] heh [06:34] StevenK: tell him to drive to Chicago and sign my key ;) [06:34] StevenK: umm, aren't you sitting on a DD ;p [06:35] nixternal: Said DD has roughly 1% vision and isn't driving anywhere. :-P [06:35] you drive him then, that would be 2 more to add to the key ;) [06:35] It's a bit wet driving to Chicago. [06:36] Ahh, Dirk is in Illinois. [06:36] nixternal: cool; glad to see it at least somewhat works :) [06:36] and I doubt the crashes are your fault in any way :) [06:37] unless your friends are as mean as me and my friends :) [06:37] hehe [06:37] (i.e. toying with a Gentoo sysadm by randomly killing his GCC processes with -SEGV) [06:37] I am going to blame it on Riddell anyways [06:37] bwahahaha [06:37] we managed to get him to rebuild the whole system with a different set of CFLAGS :D [06:37] jdong: Muahaha. Switch to SIGILL, much more fun. [06:37] ouch [06:38] StevenK: but more obvious [06:38] In terms of what? [06:38] StevenK: give em the dreaded segfaulted compiler, and they'll spend the next 48 hours on mailing lists and /etc/make.conf.... [06:38] :) [06:38] I think if I don't get these working, I am to find some poor soul to build kde4 alpha [06:38] a SIGKILL looks fishy, but a SEGV sounds a lot more real and less like a prank [06:39] On first parse, I thought you meant build KDE 4 on alpha. :-P [06:39] jdong: If the arch isn't i386/amd64, what about SIGBUS? [06:39] StevenK: haha, ouch :) [06:39] StevenK: almost as good as my prank emerge [06:40] I once replaced /usr/bin/emerge with a pranked python script that generates random compiler-like output for hours and hours [06:40] :) [06:40] Ohh, *NASTY* [06:40] lol [06:40] he got suspicious after the 8th or so hour of compiling bash. [06:40] hahaha [06:41] I've built bash before, I would have gotten suspicious at about the 40 minute mark. :-) [06:41] Awesome, I can now pipe sound out from my KVM through pulseaudio. Time to test whether I can break democracyplayer on i386! [06:42] jdong: Did you also busy-loop? [06:42] jdong: Otherwise, you get the output with no or very little CPU time used. [06:42] StevenK: of course.... it actually does use gcc to compile a binaries in /tmp named gcc, make, cc1, and ld [06:43] each of which is just a randomly gigantic null for loop [06:43] so even top output seems believable [06:43] Nasty., [06:43] s/\,// [06:43] haha :) [06:43] I'm a bad bad person :D [06:43] Remind me not to piss you off if you end up getting access to machines I use. :-) [06:44] lol [06:45] offline for a while. Got renovations starting soon, and have to move the gear out of the line of fire. :p [06:47] hrmm, I thought it was working, I found my problem with building though [06:47] I installed the kde4 packages into chroot, but pbuilder insists on using the old kde4 packages === aanderse [n=aaron@CPE0015e916db19-CM001225d7436c.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jdong_ [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #ubuntu-motu === man-di_ [n=mkoch@dyndsl-080-228-193-124.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ranf [n=ralfm@dslb-084-058-098-031.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:40] hi === TLE [n=kenneth@217.74.211.126] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ranf [n=ralfm@dslb-084-058-098-031.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:56] re === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:58] re [07:58] re, re, re your boat? [07:58] imbrandon: I am about to strangle these kde4 builds man [07:58] haha [07:58] lol [07:58] harshly down the stream === robitaille [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:59] angrily, angrily, ... [07:59] merrily, merrily, this is but a nightmare? [07:59] robitaille: you dropped your sandwich over there -> === RAOF can't be bothered writing aout the rest of that. [07:59] StevenK: yes, yes it is a nightmare [07:59] nixternal, sandwich? [08:00] ya, you dropped it on the floor ;) [08:00] my buddy does that, goes up to someone he doesn't know and says "you dropped your sandwich" [08:00] and the person never had a sandwich, yet the turn around and look for it :) [08:00] :) [08:01] he has gotten me a few times with "you dropped your pocket" [08:01] first thing I do is fell my arse, and then turn around, while he is laughin' at me [08:02] anyone interested in a hacked version of the latest yakuake beta from Sho_? I had to shrink down the splitters to like 2px I think [08:05] Hrm. I wonder when MoM will update again. [08:06] StevenK: Not soon. [08:06] Fujitsu: Oh? [08:06] It was broken for 2 months last time, so it should be at least several days before they get around to fixing it this time. [08:06] RAOF: I think the line is "blame it all on upstream" [08:07] I note we've done almost half of the merges already, and a lot of the rest have syncs requested. Not a bad effort! === StevenK just filed another sync request. === StevenK ought to look at doing some main syncs. [08:08] they have DaD up and running though correct/ [08:08] nixternal: Of course. [08:08] Yes. Which is for universe. [08:08] well, when you are just a peon like I, universe is your friend [08:09] universe and I are drinkin' buddies [08:10] StevenK: I'm sure we're all devastated that you'll have to work on universe instead. [08:10] Oh yes, I bet. === hjmf [n=hjmf@6.Red-88-25-28.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:13] I have a question. What is this "mentor" thing in Launchpad. That reads to me like "Sit on your ass and watch someone else do the work, while you tell them what you want." [08:13] Like getting involved without getting your hands dirty [08:13] jml: What was that in reference to? [08:13] ...sounds like project management, actually. [08:14] RAOF: the final line of the angry version of "Row, Row, Row Your Boat" [08:14] RAOF: I thought it worked quite well [08:14] jml: I'll need to remember that, certainly :) === freeflying_ [n=freeflyi@221.216.19.85] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:14] Huzzah! [08:14] clanlib has been orphaned in Debian. [08:15] Because that's going to make our lives so much easier. [08:15] [08:15] Good job with that tag, I was wondering. [08:15] :) [08:16] jml: I can blame democracyplayer on upstream, at least :) [08:16] RAOF: Don't make me go over there. :-P [08:16] Feel free to come over, I need someone to sign my key :P [08:17] Hah [08:17] RAOF: You're in Melbourne, aren't you? [08:17] Sydney. === somerville32 [n=somervil@ubuntu/member/somerville32] has joined #ubuntu-motu === omgponiezlol [n=Admiral_@st074039212101.monm.edu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zenrox [i=zenrox@pool-71-115-220-136.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Admiral_Chicago [n=Admiral_@st074039212101.monm.edu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === thekorn [n=thekorn@a89-182-23-24.net-htp.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === omgponiezlol [n=Admiral_@st074039212101.monm.edu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:31] Any MOTU around that has time to look at http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5058 ? === Admiral_Chicago [n=Admiral_@st074039212101.monm.edu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === StevenK finds a bug in DaD. [08:37] If the upstream version contains a dash (which is perfectly legal), DaD attempts to download the wrong files. [08:38] Oh yes, clanlib is the most pointless merge ever. [08:38] 2 files changed, 10 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-) [08:38] Lutin: ^^ [08:39] Lutin: Package for reference is clanlib. === vil [n=vladimir@ubuntu/member/vil] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:42] ranf: have you communicated with upstream (folkert at vanheusden dot com) regarding the license? [08:43] crimsun, yes. He said having a GPL snippet in every source is not needed. [08:44] The GPL says it is needed. [08:44] Or the archive admins, or somebody similarly godlike. [08:44] ranf: but he explicitly stated that it was redistributable under the GPL? i.e., GPL v1 or GPL v2 or ... [08:45] there's no indication in the source or on the program's web page indicating any license, which is quite ambiguous [08:45] I've chatted here about it. Then I got 3 FSF links which I sent him. Haven't heard back from him. [08:45] crimsun, his license.txt contains a download link for a GPL v2 text. === imbrandon [n=brandon@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.imbrandon] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Q-FUNK [n=q-funk@a88-114-229-220.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:46] err, please restore his original license.txt, then, and include a copy of the GPL v2 as COPYING [08:46] crimsun, ah ok. [08:46] The archive admins won't like that. === Burgundavia [i=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:49] hi hjmf === Admiral_Chicago [n=Admiral_@st074039212101.monm.edu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === blackskad [n=blackska@d54C1A48C.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu === EtienneG [i=etienne@ubuntu/member/EtienneG] has joined #ubuntu-motu === allee [i=ach@conference/ubuntu-developer-summit/x-ddf83441c0980275] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Hobbsee [i=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:07] Fujitsu, I'll try to stay in contact with upstream. === furenku [n=furenku@189.146.242.77] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Jucato_ [n=jucato@210.5.115.29] has joined #ubuntu-motu === doko [i=doko@conference/ubuntu-developer-summit/x-e5d9dc21dfdde196] has joined #ubuntu-motu === dholbach [i=daniel@conference/ubuntu-developer-summit/x-8f281c1b65835a0f] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Q-FUNK [n=q-funk@cs27009116.pp.htv.fi] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:25] morning [09:25] Evening :) [09:25] hi RAOF [09:25] Hey Hobbsee [09:26] How's Seville treating you? [09:26] fun ;) === elkbuntu [i=melissa@ubuntu/member/elkbuntu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:26] :) [09:26] Hobbsee: stop causing trouble [09:26] Gooooood morning, MOTUs! :) [09:27] Hobbsee: Poked anyone recently? :P [09:27] ajmitch: why should i? [09:27] hey siretart [09:27] RAOF: uh, yes. [09:27] multiple people [09:27] hiya siretart :) [09:27] \o [09:27] How did the doom stick go through customs? [09:27] fine - customs was lax === Amaranth [i=travis@ubuntu/member/Amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lfittl [i=lfittl@conference/ubuntu-developer-summit/x-b69ff0752c405754] has joined #ubuntu-motu === RAOF wonders whether it would be too much to expect 1st years to *answer the damn question* [09:30] RAOF: yes. it would. very much so [09:32] The answer to "find the solutions p(z)=0" should, at some point, include the *solutions to p(z)=0*. A factorisation of p(z) is interesting, but ARGH. === RAOF vents on another poor 1st year paper [09:33] hahahaha [09:33] you poor teacher. [09:35] >:( [09:37] what doom stick? === Hobbsee attacks RAOF with the Long Pointy Stick of DOOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! === RAOF deflects it, and it impales another 1st year paper, sending it up in flames [09:39] Woah, it conducts annoyance as heat! [09:40] Hobbse is worrying === BugMaN [n=BugMaN@151.100.133.15] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:42] ajmitch: nah...i couldnt possibly be [09:47] we have nothing to worry about. She's in the same room as you guys. [09:47] deflecting a doom stick [09:47] now that is unheard of in these parts [09:51] crimsun: that's what I'm worried about === tudenbart [n=willi@xdsl-213-196-248-18.netcologne.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:54] <\sh> moins [09:55] yanno, I could use tiber instead of this pokey PII/266 [09:55] hi \sh [09:55] <\sh> Hobbsee, hey...how is europe for you? :) [09:56] \sh: fun :) [09:57] \sh: you should be there, too! [09:57] crimsun: so should you! [09:57] hi \sh [09:58] nixternal: nope. I prefer to NOT be prodded with sharp pointy objects, thank you very much. [09:58] crimsun: customs isn't usually that bad [09:58] hehe [09:58] <\sh> crimsun, well, no time, no money, and too busy with my move of my home :) [09:59] <\sh> crimsun, and TBH I don't even know what I should do there...;) [09:59] I'm sure a wine spec could be made... [10:00] <\sh> crimsun, so a much better candidate for wine is scott ritchie :) === Kagou [n=Kagou@86.68.109.131] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jml [n=jml@121.44.221.65] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:02] <\sh> crimsun, but eventually I'm visiting one of the two UDS next year [10:02] \sh: excellent === Amaranth [i=travis@ubuntu/member/Amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ogra [i=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:03] <\sh> hey ogra [10:05] ogra: how's the little laptop going? [10:06] great :) [10:06] crimsun: I've not had any success getting audacity-distributed portmixer to compile against ubuntu-distributed portaudio, and I'm reaching the point where I believe the value of my tweaks to non-audacity clients is becoming negative. Would you be willing to test i386 JACK for the candidate audacity in 112606 (my last volunteer has gone missing)? [10:07] <\sh> little laptop? [10:07] http://classmatepc.com/ [10:07] persia: I can later, right now I'm doing six ALSA tasks and trying to print off 300 final exams. [10:08] crimsun: Later is excellent. Thank you. [10:09] bug 112606 [10:09] Launchpad bug 112606 in audacity "Please merge audacity 1.3.2-2 from Debian unstable" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/112606 [10:09] tomboyed. === Bra1 [n=ubuntu@ip72-213-20-249.om.om.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:10] hello? [10:11] hiya [10:12] hey, finally! === tudenbart is now known as dothebart [10:12] I am in need of some help [10:12] shoot [10:12] I have vista installed on my laptop, and I would like to partition it out to be able to dual-boot ubuntu === Hobbsee is in a session at UDS, though [10:12] i think you want #ubuntu [10:12] yes, he definitely does. [10:13] Bra1: didnt you just ask that in #ubuntu [10:13] ya, but I can't get a response [10:13] everyone is troubleshooting other problems, so I figured I'd try this one [10:14] this *isnt* a support channel. it's not a replacement #ubuntu [10:14] my bad, thanks anyway [10:14] Hobbsee, where is the UDS VoIP list ? can you ask please ? [10:15] imbrandon: same as last time? nixternal knows === cassidy [n=cassidy@host-213-189-171-21.brutele.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:15] wiki.ubuntu.com/UDS-Sevilla/Participate [10:15] i was actualy there last time , dident need ti [10:15] hehe [10:15] hahaha [10:15] and the schedule is http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/uds-sevilla/2007-05-07/ [10:15] need to setup an account first [10:15] go on, thne === arejay just looked at the classmatepc - seems cool :) [10:18] <\sh> ogra, nice one :) [10:18] <\sh> hey imbrandon [10:19] heya sharms [10:19] err [10:19] \sh [10:19] ( sorry for the hilight sharms ) [10:19] ya sharms he is sorry [10:19] ajmitch, thanks [10:19] hey sharms if you were awake you could pimp your enhancedbash [10:19] The audio quality is really bad :( [10:20] sharms: and the Bulls are going to devestate the Pistons [10:20] he is going to wake up thinking he is popular or something :) [10:20] let him enjoy his popularity a bit. [10:21] hehe [10:21] I am going to do what crimsun never does === nixternal beds [10:21] it sure beats coming back to several hundred messages in one's awaylog all filled with alsa or sound or whatever gripes. [10:21] Fujitsu: How bad? [10:22] StevenK: One can barely understand it. [10:22] Some bits seem to be reversed, but there's one guy really close to the microphone that I can understand well. [10:22] The rest sounds like... well, it's indescribable. === Bra1 [n=ubuntu@ip72-213-20-249.om.om.cox.net] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [10:23] Fujitsu: which session? [10:23] Hobbsee: Automated installation thingy, 5005. [10:23] ahhh [10:25] what timezone are the sessions? [10:25] imbrandon: +2 [10:25] spain local, i think [10:25] eg is it 950-1045 now? [10:25] yep [10:25] k === TheMuso [n=luke@ubuntu/member/themuso] has joined #ubuntu-motu === harrisony [n=Harrison@unaffiliated/harrisony] has joined #ubuntu-motu === elkbuntu [i=melissa@ubuntu/member/elkbuntu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Monk-e [n=guido-fe@c529dd229.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:53] Hrm. Can anyone remember a site that you put something in the URL and it ends insulting that thing? === StevenK feels he isn't being very clear. [10:54] um [10:54] @insult StevenK === harrisony hopes it works [10:54] Didn't seem to. [10:54] <\sh> who wrote the wine spec on gobby? siretart? [10:55] An example is say, http://warty.sucks.com/ and the webpage loads with "Warty really sucks" or something like that. [10:56] \sh, yep siretart and smurf during a BoF session === gismo_ [n=stef@87.139.112.143] has joined #ubuntu-motu === gizmo [n=gizmo@87.139.112.143] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:57] <\sh> lfittl, ah ok [10:57] <\sh> siretart, ping I added some things to it...please have a look...quite important [11:02]