[12:27] <defendguin_> if so i can set it to be repeat 2 to make it more responsive?
[12:27] <superm1> you will have to adjust that to what feels most responsive
[12:27] <superm1> for butons that you hold down it makes sense to use
[12:27] <Daviey> i think it means it won't repeat for so many seconds
[12:28] <defendguin_> hmmm
[12:28] <Daviey> ie holding down volume doesn't shot up/down
[12:28] <defendguin_> that doesnt seem right
[12:28] <defendguin_> i can press channel up more than once every 3 seconds
[12:28] <Daviey> if it's 0 then volume will go from 100% to 0%
[12:29] <Daviey> defendguin_, but holding it down continuously?
[12:29] <defendguin_> if i hold it down it moves faster than once every 3 seconds
[12:30] <Daviey> might not be seconds
[12:30] <defendguin_> you can have one good press and it can register 1 2 button presses
[12:30] <Daviey> might be 'frames' or something
[12:30] <Daviey> but thats how i understand it
[12:30] <defendguin_> right
[12:30] <Daviey> might be incorrect
[12:32] <rogue780|mythsvr> I wish I still had photoshop
[12:32] <defendguin_> i guess i can change it all to 2 and that would make it a bit more responsive
[12:33] <rogue780|mythsvr> but alas, my conscience caught up with me...but my bank account didn't.
[12:35] <rogue780|mythsvr> hey superm1, I'm working on a lirc configurator....goals are to be able to auto configure your lirc setup for the type of receiver you have, have the ability to say "I have this remote" and it'll be preconfigured for you. add a remote, remove a remote, make a custom remote, etc. anything else it should have?
[12:36] <defendguin_> button press sensitivity
[12:36] <superm1> rogue780|mythsvr, before you do that, there is a lot of changes going into lirc
[12:36] <rogue780|mythsvr> of course there are
[12:36] <superm1> find the ubuntu media center team's page
[12:36] <superm1> on wiki.ubuntu.com
[12:36] <superm1> they are working with upstream to make these changes
[12:37] <rogue780|mythsvr> it was my understanding that the UMC team wasn't going to use myth
[12:37] <defendguin_> freevo?
[12:37] <Daviey> rogue780|mythsvr, i did start righting a spec on launchpad for that
[12:37] <rogue780|mythsvr> elisa or whatnot
[12:37] <superm1> rogue780|mythsvr, they're not using myth, but they are taking over the lirc side of things
[12:37] <rogue780|mythsvr> there wasn't anything for sure last time I check
[12:37] <rogue780|mythsvr> ed
[12:37] <defendguin_> elisa?  never heard of it
[12:38] <rogue780|mythsvr> one of their rationales for doing an UMC is that "mythtv is too hard to install and configure"
[12:38] <Daviey> elisa is an AI thing isn't it?
[12:38] <rogue780|mythsvr> maybe...crap I'm thinking the wrong name
[12:39] <rogue780|mythsvr> I think it had to do with lisa though
[12:39] <tgm4883_laptop> nope, its elisa
[12:39] <rogue780|mythsvr> http://elisa.fluendo.com/
[12:39] <defendguin_> superm1: setting repeat to 2 instead of 3 seems much better
[12:39] <rogue780|mythsvr> looks col
[12:39] <defendguin_> you don't need to hold down the button that extra half a second
[12:39] <rogue780|mythsvr> !@#!#!@#ing C&C 3 isn't detecting my internet connection right..it was working a few hours ago
[12:40] <defendguin_> damn that does look cool
[12:41] <defendguin_> it uses compiz i'm guessing
[12:41] <rogue780|mythsvr> the major thing that pulled me to mythtv though was the distributed nature of the setup.
[12:44] <defendguin_> i guess lots of people only have the one pc which this would work well for
[12:45] <Daviey> i honestly can't remember what brought me to myth
[12:45] <Daviey> i think myth found me ;)
[12:45] <rogue780|mythsvr> I do agree though that the mythtv interface needs an (excuse the horrible pun) interfacelift
[12:45] <tgm4883_laptop> i love that site
[12:45] <defendguin_> :-D
[12:46] <tgm4883_laptop> almost all my backgrounds come from there
[12:46] <rogue780|mythsvr> I mean, the tivo interface is more intuitive, and looks much nicer...and it's processing power is about that of my computer 10 years ago
[12:46] <defendguin_> still a very young project though
[12:47] <rogue780|mythsvr> brb...gotta reset my router
[12:49] <rogue780|mythsvr> ok. am I still here?
[12:51] <rogue780|mythsvr> ok it should be working now
[12:51] <rogue780|mythsvr> bloody hell
[12:52] <tgm4883_laptop> it is
[12:52] <Daviey> rogue780|mythsvr, you sound very quiet... not sure it is working. Try shouting
[12:54] <rogue780|mythsvr> no...sorry. the illusive it is C&C's gameserver...
[12:54] <rogue780|mythsvr> still ain't working
[01:10] <rogue780|mythsvr> that's cool. I just figured out how to make a sphere by hand in the gimp
[01:49] <superm1> okay mates what did you guys decide on with the splash?
[01:50] <Daviey> nope
[01:50] <tgm4883_laptop> we decided that we want to use the logo from google images
[01:50] <tgm4883_laptop> ;)
[01:50] <Daviey> google images?
[01:50] <Daviey> what logo is that?
[01:51] <tgm4883_laptop> its a logo that may have been deemed "inappropriate" for this use
[01:51] <Daviey> :s
[01:51] <Daviey> linky?
[01:52] <tgm4883_laptop> just search google images for ubuntu logo
[01:52] <tgm4883_laptop> there are a couple
[01:54] <superm1> well want to give me the xcf (or maybe each of them already scaled) and i'll reupload to revu with the new licensing
[01:58] <Daviey> tgm4883_laptop, ahh i know the ones
[01:59] <Daviey> I would also suggest removing the ubuntu logo & mythtv logo at the bottom
[01:59] <Daviey> looks kinda bloated now
[02:01] <Daviey> also, since i played with it -> the main text is no longer central
[02:01] <superm1> yea i was thinking the same thing about the bottom logos
[02:01] <superm1> what i'd really like is a neat shadowing effect like that in use on the "Ubuntu" usplash
[02:02] <superm1> but i don't know how that was done
[02:06] <rogue780> Daviey, I've got something for you
[02:06] <Daviey> sounds rather rude
[02:06] <rogue780> lol
[02:08] <rogue780> ygm
[02:09] <rogue780> Daviey, it's just a prototype...but I think you get the gist of it
[02:10] <Daviey> hehe... all mail takes be 5-15 mins to recieve
[02:10] <rogue780> eh?
[02:11] <rogue780> you'll get two e-mail from me...disregard the first...I didn't export it right
[02:15] <Daviey> still waiting
[02:17] <superm1> Daviey, ubuntuwire.com mail is slow for you too?
[02:25] <Daviey> :)
[02:26] <Daviey> to be fair; where that goes to also greylists all mail
[02:26] <Daviey> i have an ieee computer.org alias aswell, that forwards to ubuntuwire, that forwards to my real one
[02:27] <Daviey> bit stupid really
[02:27] <Daviey> superm1, have you noticed less spam with motu-reviewers mailinglist?
[02:28] <superm1> well even ubuntuwire.com jabber is really slow for me
[02:29] <superm1> lately yes
[02:29] <superm1> either that or gmail is getting better at catching it
[02:29] <Daviey> jabber - been a yoyo recently eh?
[02:30] <superm1> see ~/.gaim/accounts.xml
[02:30] <superm1> its in cleartext there
[02:31] <tgm4883_laptop> i386 :(
[02:31] <superm1> tgm4883_laptop, you amd64?
[02:31] <tgm4883_laptop> yep
[02:32] <tgm4883_laptop> although the extra machine i have is i386
[02:32] <Daviey> superm1, who built that?
[02:32] <superm1> well at the moment you can see what this ISO has so far and what is needed still
[02:32] <superm1> me
[02:33] <Daviey> superm1, will look
[02:33] <superm1> its not ready for rampant widespread testing or anything, but you can get an idea of whats in mind right now
[02:33] <tgm4883_laptop> downloading
[02:33] <tgm4883_laptop> md5sum?
[02:34] <superm1> probably a good idea to make one isnt it. :) yes i'll put it in the same directory
[02:34] <superm1> didnt even think
[02:34] <Daviey> anyway.. i'm off to bed.  Catch you guys tommorow
[02:34] <superm1> night Daviey
[02:35] <superm1> tgm4883_laptop, its in the directory now
[02:35] <tgm4883_laptop> 436K/s here
[02:36] <tgm4883_laptop> :)
[02:36] <rogue780> I love my AMD 64's
[02:36] <Daviey> git
[02:36] <Daviey> I'm in UK mind
[02:36] <superm1> *should* be pretty snappy download.  imbrandon said it was on a 100mb up/down connection
[02:36] <tgm4883_laptop> ah
[02:37] <Daviey> ah, dodgy wireless connection
[02:37] <Daviey> on a lan box i'm getting 231.63K/s
[02:37] <Daviey> anyway, really going to bed now
[02:37] <Daviey> ttfn
[02:40] <superm1> defendguin_, all added to the lirc howtos
[02:40] <superm1> thanks :)
[02:40] <defendguin_> your welcome
[02:41] <defendguin_> i don't know what that guy was thinking when he did the original one
[02:43] <tgm4883_laptop> 52 seconds till mythbuntu goodness
[02:43] <defendguin_> huh?
[02:43] <superm1> wow tgm4883_laptop that was fast
[02:44] <superm1> tgm4883_laptop, dont have too high of expectations yet, this will just have the old ubuntu installer - but a fully functional live frontend functionality
[02:44] <tgm4883_laptop> no expectations yet, just checking it out
[02:46] <tgm4883_laptop> is it so small because most things are not included on the cd?
[02:46] <rogue780> I still need to write that unichrome how to
[02:46] <superm1> tgm4883_laptop, its small because only what we need is included
[02:47] <tgm4883_laptop> ok, thats what i thought
[02:47] <superm1> oh you know what - i hope the menu splash is right on there (prior to usplash)
[02:47] <superm1> i forgot to check that since my last build and i did change things with it
[02:47] <superm1> so if you have a blank screen upon boot, just hit enter
[02:49] <superm1> now i wonder if i will be able to rebuild it quicker locally or just download from the server quicker to see for myself
[02:51] <superm1> defendguin_, I built an alpha of the mythbuntu ISO thats on the website
[02:51] <tgm4883_laptop> no mythbuntu goodness yet, i forgot to install k3b
[02:51] <superm1> install virtual box
[02:51] <superm1> or vmware player
[02:51] <superm1> or qemu or somethign to that nature
[02:52] <superm1> and just run it through there
[02:52] <superm1> defendguin_, it can be used as a live disk frontend, but the installer still needs to be finished up
[02:52] <defendguin_> nice
[02:53] <defendguin_> but i would have to stop watching TV to try it out
[02:53] <superm1> well i haven't even ran this build myself yet.  i've gotta download it yet and make sure everything still works :)
[02:54] <tgm4883_laptop> whats that site to go to make vmplayer environments?
[02:54] <superm1> easy vmx i think
[03:00] <rogue780> yeah. easyvmx.com
[03:01] <tgm4883_laptop> yep, took me a minute to figure it out
[03:05] <tgm4883_laptop> :( no mythbuntu goodness
[03:06] <tgm4883_laptop> i think it may have froze
[03:06] <tgm4883_laptop> im gonna burn it and try it on my spare computer
[03:06] <superm1> k
[03:08] <superm1> woah looks like usplash didn't work.  thats a shame.
[03:08] <superm1> dont know if thats a side effect of virtual box or what not though
[03:09] <tgm4883_laptop> yea, it told me no usplash for 640x480
[03:09] <superm1> seems to not be logging in for me either
[03:09] <rogue780> so...i'm finding vmware+mythbuntu = myth
[03:09] <superm1> looks like there is some sort of unexpected breakage here then
[03:09] <superm1> not sure what happened
[03:10] <rogue780> I've got a spare box I'll try it on in the morning
[03:10] <tgm4883_laptop> would that be the user error it was giving me?
[03:10] <superm1> yes
[03:10] <superm1> same thing i'm seeing
[03:10] <rogue780> I'm having issues with vmware and networking....and mythbuntu won't go far without working network for some reason
[03:11] <rogue780> it says (many times) ....e1000: eth0: e1000_clean_tx_irq: Detected Tx Unit Hang
[03:14] <superm1> okay for me its hanging after /etc/rc.local
[03:15] <rogue780> I'll test it on my skyos box tomorrow
[03:15] <rogue780> skyos has...potential I've decided....but it's a long way off from being usable
[03:15] <rogue780> enuf of that
[03:16] <superm1> rogue780, i think there are some other issues with the ISO.  i'll let you know what i find
[03:16] <superm1> i'll probably rebuild in a bit once i figure out whats happening
[03:17] <rogue780> ok
[03:17] <rogue780> well I'm off to be
[03:17] <rogue780> d
[03:18] <rogue780> I'll see all you're happy faces 2morrow
[03:18] <rogue780> always feel free to message rogue780|mythsvr .... that's my myth server (who would've guessed?) and when it's on, it's in here.
[03:40] <superm1> hey majoridiot
[03:40] <majoridiot> hola
[03:40] <tgm4883> oh my goodness, he does exist
[03:40] <majoridiot> ;)] 
[03:40] <superm1> long time no see
[03:41] <majoridiot> been kinda ill
[03:41] <majoridiot> doin support via forum pm LOL
[03:41] <tgm4883> that sucks, im in the middle of being sick
[03:41] <majoridiot> :(
[03:42] <tgm4883> and i've been waiting to ask you a question
[03:42] <majoridiot> shoulda hollered
[03:42] <tgm4883> (just what you needed after being sick right)
[03:42] <majoridiot> whaz up?
[03:42] <tgm4883> i have a little problem with my mythtv setup and the firewire
[03:43] <tgm4883> any 4:3 program is messed up
[03:44] <majoridiot> messed up... how?
[03:44] <tgm4883> it seems to be that it is stretching it to 16:9 and recording it, but when it is played back, it plays it back in 4:3 mode, but its still a 16:9 picture
[03:44] <tgm4883> thats a bad explanation
[03:44] <tgm4883> let me see if I can get a pic
[03:44] <tgm4883> also, superm1, im getting that "user not known to the underlying authentication module" even on my test bed
[03:44] <tgm4883> not virtual machine
[03:45] <tgm4883> and that was when I was trying to just test the cd
[03:45] <superm1> tgm4883, i'm trying to rebuild it with a change for the splash
[03:45] <tgm4883> (also no usplash)
[03:45] <tgm4883> ah ok
[03:45] <superm1> but i'm not sure about that errro
[03:45] <superm1> so i'll see what happens
[03:46] <tgm4883> it couldn't be an ACPI problem could it (I ask because it said my bios was before the cutoff date and acpi=off was forced)
[03:46] <superm1> well i dont think so - i didnt change anything ACPI related with the build process lately
[03:56] <tgm4883> arg
[03:56] <tgm4883> majoridiot, can i dcc these to you, i cant get them to display on my webserver
[03:56] <majoridiot> sure
[03:57] <majoridiot> ah
[03:58] <tgm4883> good ah, or bad ah
[03:58] <majoridiot> it doesn't look smashed... it looks displaced
[03:58] <majoridiot> when did this start?
[03:59] <tgm4883> i think right off the bat, never worked right, the HD is perfect though
[03:59] <majoridiot> hm
[03:59] <tgm4883> it looks stretched
[03:59] <tgm4883> but not
[03:59] <majoridiot> only on 4:3 programs?
[03:59] <tgm4883> yea
[04:00] <majoridiot> what if an HD channel switches to a 4:3 commercial- does it go wonky or look ok?
[04:00] <tgm4883> nope, HD programs with 4:3 commercials look correct
[04:00] <majoridiot> ok
[04:01] <majoridiot> what happens if you try forcing aspect ratios... e.g. with the W key?
[04:01] <tgm4883> doesn't fix the problem
[04:01] <tgm4883> like zoom, 4:3, 16:9, etc?
[04:01] <superm1> try switching on the TV?
[04:02] <tgm4883> ?
[04:02] <superm1> switch 4:3 or 16:9 on the tv
[04:02] <superm1> rather than in myth
[04:02] <tgm4883> ah
[04:02] <superm1> it will handle it a little differently then how myth does
[04:02] <tgm4883> i will try
[04:03] <majoridiot> just goes to show... go for a whiz and things get sorted.
[04:03] <tgm4883_laptop> hmm
[04:03] <tgm4883_laptop> cant change that
[04:04] <tgm4883_laptop> i assume its because im using the vga port, as i remember being able to change that when using my regular tivo on my tv
[04:04] <tgm4883_laptop> if I had to guess what was happening
[04:04] <majoridiot> could be
[04:04] <majoridiot> i have always had a problem with PIP with a fw chan and a pvr chan
[04:05] <majoridiot> one gets squashed smaller the 4:3 the other goes to 16:9
[04:05] <tgm4883_laptop> i would say that the stb is transmitting the program in 16:9 (stretched) and since mythtv knows that its not HD, it only records the picture 4:3 (staring from the left, which is why i get the left side, but not the right side of the picture)
[04:06] <majoridiot> have you checked your stb setup?
[04:06] <majoridiot> some have options
[04:06] <majoridiot> on how to handle 16:9, etc
[04:09] <tgm4883_laptop> where would that be, im looking but cannot find it
[04:10] <majoridiot> mine is under menu
[04:10] <majoridiot> home
[04:10] <majoridiot> setup-->cable box setup
[04:11] <tgm4883_laptop> hmm, i dont get much in there, (front led display, ac outlet, rf bypass, and configuration)
[04:11] <majoridiot> hm.
[04:12] <tgm4883_laptop> configuration just tells me info about the stb
[04:12] <tgm4883_laptop> i did find that 4:3 override is set to 480i
[04:13] <majoridiot> hm.
[04:14] <majoridiot> it might be "just one of those things"
[04:14] <majoridiot> :S
[04:14] <majoridiot> LOL
[04:14] <tgm4883_laptop> ill try changing the 4:3 override
[04:14] <tgm4883_laptop> interestin
[04:14] <superm1> tgm4883_laptop, i figured out what was wrong with that ISO
[04:15] <superm1> i'll rebuild it in a few minutes
[04:15] <tgm4883_laptop> it seems like theres a problem with the box
[04:15] <tgm4883_laptop> superm1, sweet
[04:15] <majoridiot> the box as in STB?
[04:16] <tgm4883_laptop> majoridiot, im in the user settings changing tv type and when i first got in here it was in 16:9 (stretched) but when i changed the YPbPr to a different setting, it changed to 4:3 (not stretched)
[04:16] <tgm4883_laptop> yea
[04:16] <majoridiot> aha...
[04:16] <majoridiot> 'tis a clue
[04:16] <tgm4883_laptop> so it would appear that the box continues outputing the picture in 16:9
[04:16] <superm1> majoridiot, do you by chance have a kubuntu iso or disk lying around?
[04:17] <majoridiot> sorry... no.  never even booted kubuntu
[04:17] <superm1> k
[04:18] <tgm4883_laptop> well i turned off 4:3 override, so we'll see how this works now
[04:19] <tgm4883_laptop> i need to get some white tape, almost set an xbox live password without knowing it
[04:21] <majoridiot> LOL
[04:22] <tgm4883_laptop> majoridiot, did you ever get that mess straightened out with the cable company?
[04:23] <majoridiot> nope
[04:23] <tgm4883_laptop> also, in case anyone wants to know, the user settings where you can change your tv type and such is power>menu
[04:23] <tgm4883_laptop> that sucks
[04:23] <majoridiot> i DID get the local PBS-HD to correctly set their flags, tho... (the engineer thanked me LOL)
[04:24] <majoridiot> i escalated it to the CEO of insight...
[04:24] <majoridiot> and got an email of apology
[04:24] <superm1> did the confrence ever happen?
[04:24] <majoridiot> and a promise he is looking into it and will reply
[04:25] <majoridiot> no conference... but i did talk with the regional engineer
[04:25] <majoridiot> who essentially said tough shit, i just do what i'm told.
[04:25] <majoridiot> s'why i went to mike.. the CEO.  LOL
[04:25] <majoridiot> (who is VERY active in customer support)
[04:28] <superm1> so when do you expect to hear back then?
[04:29] <majoridiot> this week
[04:29] <majoridiot> it took him less than 24 hours to reply, and that was friday
[04:29] <majoridiot> i'll give a week before following up
[04:30] <superm1> sounds like a good guy here
[04:31] <majoridiot> yes, he really is
[04:31] <majoridiot> they had some disasters a year ago upgrading servers...
[04:32] <majoridiot> he recorded updates that phoned you about every two days... and did tv commercials
[04:32] <majoridiot> and then rebated everyone at least a month of service
[04:32] <majoridiot> *VERY* customer-oriented, as well he should be.
[04:33] <superm1> thats awesome
[04:34] <majoridiot> indeed
[04:34] <majoridiot> that's why i thought it was time to get him involved.
[04:34] <majoridiot> try emailing the head of time-warner cable sometime LMFAO
[04:35] <superm1> well my (next) cable co is charter starting next week (The ones i dealt with last year with my firewire mess).  i'll see what i do
[04:36] <majoridiot> i'm happy to help any way you may deem valuable
[04:48] <majoridiot> gotta jet guys... holla email or pm in the unlikely event i'm needed
[04:48] <majoridiot> ;)
[07:28] <superm1> tgm4883, new iso is ready
[07:28] <superm1> the problem wasnt my fault
[07:29] <superm1> imbrandon's mirror kept on missing files, so I added an option to retry over and over
[07:29] <imbrandon> superm1: yea i'm working on that
[07:30] <imbrandon> actualy still all the damn servers
[07:30] <imbrandon> lol
[07:30] <superm1> imbrandon, what happened?
[07:30] <imbrandon> apache2.2 loves me
[07:30] <superm1> hehe
[07:30] <superm1> the first iso was 269 megs, and i wasnt sure what to think.
[07:31] <superm1> so i looked closer at the build log
[07:32] <imbrandon> heh
[07:33] <imbrandon> yea i need to get all the services solid again, i'm in the middle of a few major updates
[07:33] <imbrandon> and transisions to like ejbberd from wildfire , apache2.2 to 2.0 and lightttpd
[07:33] <imbrandon> some new hardware
[07:33] <imbrandon> a new sparc server and ppc server
[07:33] <imbrandon> etc
[07:34] <superm1> ah
[07:34] <superm1> oh thats right you jumped one of your servers to feisty the other day didnt ya
[07:34] <imbrandon> yea, mistakenly now it seems
[07:35] <superm1> well in the interim, i'm just having all apt-get steps retry up to 25 times to grab the files, so not a big deal for me
[07:35] <imbrandon> yea i should have it all done soon
[07:56] <superm1> oh imbrandon, any update regarding the buildds and that process?
[08:49] <superm1> tgm4883_laptop, u there?
[09:05] <tgm4883_laptop> yea im here
[09:05] <tgm4883_laptop> superm1, i see you updated the iso
[09:05] <superm1> tgm4883_laptop, yea i made sure it worked this time around too
[09:05] <superm1> took some screen caps and put them on the website as well
[09:05] <superm1> cleaned up a few more sections on it
[09:06] <tgm4883_laptop> sweet, i'll install it tomarrow
[09:06] <superm1> k cool
[09:08] <tgm4883_laptop> alright, the cd is burning, it's late, and im going to bed
[09:08] <tgm4883_laptop> nite superm1
[09:08] <superm1> night tgm4883_laptop
[09:09] <gardengnome> re
[09:11] <superm1> hey gardengnome
[09:11] <superm1> re?
[09:11] <gardengnome> as in "i'm back". ;)
[09:11] <gardengnome> hey superm1
[09:11] <gardengnome> how's it going?
[09:11] <superm1> very well
[09:11] <gardengnome> are your finals over? :)=
[09:12] <superm1> yes finally.
[09:12] <gardengnome> nice
[09:12] <gardengnome> are you drunk yet?
[09:12] <superm1> finals were finished Friday, so the last two evening were indeed spent at the pub
[09:12] <superm1> :)
[09:12] <superm1> i'm in the process of moving for the summer and packing up all my items, but i took a few hours away from that to relax and get some more mythbuntu items done>
[09:13] <superm1> so we have a very very alphaish iso on the site now
[09:13] <superm1> and text for all of the linked items
[09:13] <superm1> screenshots and all
[09:13] <gardengnome> that's nice. i plan to dedicate some time to a short german howto for inputlircd today.
[09:13] <gardengnome> nice!
[09:13] <gardengnome> will the installer support LVM?
[09:14] <superm1> sigh, unfortunately i dont think so
[09:14] <superm1> because ubiquity needs to support it, and for that to happen d-i needs to support it
[09:15] <gardengnome> the graphical d-i you mean?
[09:15] <superm1> well my understanding was that ubiquity was mainly a frontend to d-i
[09:15] <superm1> and d-i can't handle LVM in the first place
[09:16] <superm1> but look at it this way - once 0.21 is released, its not really going to matter
[09:16] <superm1> with multiple recording directory support
[09:16] <gardengnome> right.
[09:17] <gardengnome> um
[09:17] <gardengnome> d-i does support LVM. i LVM'ed my debian sarge box using the installer.
[09:17] <superm1> it *does*?
[09:17] <superm1> then the ubuntu d-i must be hiding its support in tasksel?
[09:17] <superm1> or i overlooked it
[09:17] <gardengnome> the ubuntu installer supports it as well. it's just the graphical installer that's lackinhg support, AFAIK, and i don't know if that's still true.
[09:17] <gardengnome> tasksel? no. it's there in the partition thingy
[09:18] <superm1> well then i've been mistaken!
[09:18] <gardengnome> let's see if i've got a 7.04 iso here
[09:41] <gardengnome> superm1: yep, it's offering me "guided - use entire disk and set up LVM" as a "partitioning method" in the server installer
[09:41] <superm1> hm well i'll poke cjwatson at some point then to find out if LVM is coming to ubiquity any time soon
[09:41] <superm1> i don't know how i missed out on that during server installs
[09:42] <gardengnome> blame it on the finals
[09:42] <superm1> well i wonder if its only "server" installs that offer, and "alternate" installs dont
[09:42] <gardengnome> i only use server installs.
[09:42] <gardengnome> (can't stand the GUI stuff ;))
[09:44] <superm1> ook its getting late.  i should get to bed.  gardengnome if you'd like to take a look at the ISO (or at least the screenshots ) - see www.mythbuntu.org
[09:44] <gardengnome> thanks :)
[09:45] <superm1> okay night gardengnome
[09:46] <gardengnome> g'nightz
[09:46] <gardengnome> -z
[04:05] <rogue780|laptop> has anyone had success with the latest mythbuntu build?
[04:15] <rogue780|laptop> oh, to anyone who tried to help me fix my apt-get/vm-ware problem...I was able to fix it with synaptic
[04:54] <superm1> pong Daviey
[04:57] <rogue780|laptop> superm1, no joy on the new mythbuntu build
[04:57] <superm1> the 050707 one?
[04:57] <superm1> or the 050607
[04:58] <rogue780|laptop> the 050707
[04:58] <superm1> oh really?
[04:58] <rogue780|laptop> yeah. tried installing it natively on my sempron 64 2.0ghz, 1gig o ram, geforce 5200, 120gb hd
[04:58] <superm1> it booted up and such right?
[04:58] <superm1> or what happened?
[04:59] <rogue780|laptop> it got to the point where I would expect X to start for the live cd
[04:59] <rogue780|laptop> but then my monitor said "mode not supported" then it (my monitor) went to standby
[04:59] <superm1> does this happen with normal ubuntu disks too?
[04:59] <rogue780|laptop> it's an old Sylvania L115 LCD monitor...but it supports up to 1024x768
[04:59] <rogue780|laptop> superm1, negative
[04:59] <superm1> because i'm using the same stuff as them for going into livemode
[05:00] <superm1> did you try "Safe graphics" mode?
[05:00] <rogue780|laptop> hm. that seems so obvious. I'll go try that in a few...I feel sheepish
[05:01] <superm1> hehe
[05:07] <tgm4883> is mythbuntu based on 7.04 or 7.10?
[05:08] <superm1> 7.04 atm
[05:09] <superm1> it will be a more stable dev platform (esp for ubiquity)
[05:10] <tgm4883> well its installing right now, although I have no progress bar (i know its progressing because it tells you what its doing)
[05:10] <superm1> yea i think this gtk theme i have chosen is causing that
[05:11] <tgm4883> found one thing that kinda looks funky
[05:11] <tgm4883> not really a problem though
[05:12] <tgm4883> after install before it reboots, it says "please remove the disc and press enter"  That is overlayed on top of the "powered by" section
[05:13] <superm1> Yea I noticed that too.  it only has cropped up here, since in regular mode such overalys don't happen
[05:13] <tgm4883> regular mode?
[05:13] <superm1> well as in not live disk
[05:13] <superm1> this is the first time that usplash has been used on a live disk
[05:13] <tgm4883> ah
[05:14] <tgm4883> so what should i be expecting from mythbuntu?  So i know if its working right or not
[05:15] <tgm4883> for instance,  should it auto login?  Cause im sitting at a login screen.
[05:15] <superm1> No it shouldnt.  brb though.
[05:22] <superm1> tgm4883, all of the other "magic" should happen when the installer is in place.  You should have everything necessary for a frontend installed at this point (except the automatic login - the installer will set that up)
[05:23] <tgm4883> ok, so i login as the user i created in the install (thomas) and run mythtv-setup?
[05:23] <superm1> well the backend isn't installed
[05:23] <tgm4883> ah
[05:23] <superm1> just run mythfrontend
[05:23] <tgm4883> that would explain why I cant run mythtv-setup
[05:23] <superm1> You actually should have been able to double click mythfrontend in live mode
[05:23] <superm1> before going into the installer
[05:23] <tgm4883> i didn't try that
[05:24] <tgm4883> but i do login as thomas and not as mythtv?
[05:24] <superm1> yes
[05:24] <tgm4883> ok, i'll test the frontend then
[05:25] <tgm4883> but i'll have to launch from terminal, since there is no icon
[05:26] <superm1> yea, normally it will be an automatic login so an icon wouldnt have been necessary
[05:26] <tgm4883> ok
[05:27] <tgm4883> and the mass mysql errors would be ok, since we would be pointing to a mysql database during the first run of mythfrontend
[05:30] <tgm4883> is it possible to have multiple installers on the live disk, one that allows frontend installation and one that allows backend and frontend installation.  Then just double click the one you want?
[05:31] <superm1> Well we're aiming to have questions during the installer
[05:31] <superm1> that choose which way to go
[05:31] <tgm4883> ah
[05:32] <tgm4883> well it appears i have gone as far as i can go, i dont have a network card installed in this yet
[05:32] <superm1> oh :)
[05:32] <tgm4883> i know, *smacks head*  there is one sitting on my desk
[06:00] <rogue780|laptop> superm1, ygm
[06:00] <Daviey> superm1, I'm back
[06:01] <Daviey> can't remember what i wanted you for :(
[06:01] <superm1> haha
[06:01] <superm1> rogue780|laptop, dont see any mail yet.  i'll refresh
[06:01] <Daviey> ah.
[06:01] <Daviey> i think it was the iso - usplash wasn't working properly
[06:02] <rogue780|laptop> superm1, sent it to you gmail account
[06:03] <superm1> Daviey, 050607 iso or 050707 iso?
[06:03] <superm1> rogue780|laptop, all i can say is wow
[06:03] <superm1> that is very pretty
[06:03] <Daviey> 06
[06:03] <superm1> i like that a lot
[06:04] <Daviey> fw to me?  or imageshack?
[06:04] <superm1> Daviey, grab the 050707.  imbrandon's mirror was having trouble grabbing several packages, so the first build didnt come out right
[06:04] <superm1> Daviey, sent
[06:04] <Daviey> ta
[06:04] <rogue780|laptop> superm1, and I can do some different stuff with the gradient too
[06:05] <superm1> so rogue780|laptop, your thinking to just use that and scrap the very bottom part powered by and such right?
[06:05] <rogue780|laptop> I liked the look of the circle that Daviey sent me--same as the one on mythbuntu.org--but I felt it kinda clashed with the rest of the text...
[06:05] <rogue780|laptop> rigt
[06:06] <rogue780|laptop> after some thought--and a lower blood-alcohol level--I figured that people will probably know that mythbuntu is a combination of mythtv and ubuntu...and if they don't then telling them probably won't help them any
[06:06] <superm1> lol
[06:06] <superm1> yup
[06:06] <Daviey> agreed
[06:07] <Daviey> if we really wanted to 'advertise it' - we could add .org at the end
[06:07] <rogue780|laptop> so I'm going to make a few more and send em out your way to see which you like best and we can go from there. sound good?
[06:07] <superm1> soudns awesome
[06:07] <Daviey> rogue780|laptop, cc me?
[06:07] <rogue780|laptop> Daviey, will do
[06:08] <rogue780|laptop> Daviey, the current, or future? (i assumed future...but you know what happens when one assumes...)
[06:08] <superm1> Daviey, i talked to jetsradiem a few minutes ago
[06:08] <Daviey> hehe
[06:08] <superm1> about ubiquity
[06:08] <superm1> it is looking like *everything* will need to be preinstalled
[06:09] <Daviey> rogue780|laptop, i have the current one - is that the ubuntu logo i supplied 'depolished' or a fresh one?
[06:09] <superm1> so i'm testing a build with everything (including ubuntu-mythtv-frontend)
[06:09] <rogue780|laptop> Daviey, I grabbed the official ubuntu logo off the wiki about 20 minutes ago and used it
[06:09] <Daviey> :)
[06:10] <Daviey> i definitely prefer not having the extra 'm' at the begining
[06:11] <rogue780|laptop> hey, how do you do that thing where you say something referring to yourself in the 3rd person in IRC where it just has an * where your name should be...such as "* rogue780 toasts his latest success" for example?
[06:11] <rogue780|laptop> anyone know what I'm even talking about?
[06:12] <Daviey>  type /me xxxxx
[06:13] <rogue780|laptop> nice
[06:13] <Daviey> rogue780|laptop, set up your webcam - so we can watch
[06:13] <rogue780|laptop> well about that...
[06:14] <Daviey> nice
[06:14] <rogue780|laptop> so if you really want...and you'd have to help me get my webcam running in linux
[06:14] <rogue780|laptop> Daviey, was it you who tried to help me fix my apt+vm-ware issue?
[06:14] <Daviey> maybe
[06:14] <Daviey> yeah, i think it was
[06:15] <rogue780|laptop> well I got it fixed...I looked for other people who had the same bug in the bugzilla...and sure enough found a solution
[06:15] <rogue780|laptop> I just had to do a complete remove through synaptic
[06:15] <rogue780|laptop> go figure
[06:15] <rogue780|laptop> anyway...I truly must pick up the living room atm
[06:16] <Daviey> have fun
[06:17] <superm1> Daviey, u used fakechroot before?
[06:18] <Daviey> nope
[06:18] <Daviey> fakeroot though
[06:18] <superm1> i wonder if i might be able to build the iso with it
[06:18] <Daviey> actually i think i might have tried fakechroot when i tried to make a fake jail session for ssh users..... didn't work properly
[06:19] <Daviey> was trying to make a honeypot
[06:19] <superm1> ah
[06:19] <superm1> see if anyone could break from the chroot jail
[06:19] <Daviey> :)
[06:22] <imbrandon> superm1, the mirror should be fixed now, lemme know if it still does that again
[06:22] <superm1> imbrandon, it was happening again a few minutes ago yet
[06:22] <superm1> maybe half an hour actually
[06:22] <imbrandon> hrm ok , i just got off work , lemme drive home and i'll check it again
[06:22] <superm1> k
[06:23] <imbrandon> i changed from apache2 to lighttpd , i might go back to apache2
[06:23] <superm1> imbrandon, it was happening during the debootstrap rather than apt-get's so i couldnt really retry either
[06:25] <imbrandon> k
[06:26] <Daviey> superm1, you know about 'linitian' right?
[06:26] <superm1> yup
[06:27] <Daviey> cool
[06:27] <superm1> Daviey, are you just learning about it?
[06:28] <Daviey> been using it for some weeks
[06:28] <imbrandon> linda is better
[06:28] <imbrandon> imho
[06:28] <superm1> if you install it and linda, they both automatically run during debuild -S -sa
[06:28] <superm1> on the source package at least
[06:28] <Daviey> just wondered as a recent comment for myth'-usplash on revu
[06:28] <superm1> you still have to manually run on the resultant debs
[06:29] <superm1> i sometimes forget to run it on the debs, but run it on the dsc's only
[06:29] <Daviey> ahh
[06:30] <superm1> i'm thinking i might just add it to my pbuilder launch scripts to automatically do for me to prevent stuff like that
[06:30] <Daviey> :)
[06:30] <Daviey> do you need a manpage?
[06:30] <Daviey> (for every package)?
[06:30] <superm1> not necessarily
[06:33] <Daviey> what does this mean?  'changelog-file-missing-in-native-package'
[06:35] <superm1> imbrandon, do you have any tarballs of base system deb's generated on your repo?
[06:35] <superm1> similar to those described here: http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2002/07/msg01461.html
[06:36] <superm1> that no upstream changelog is being included in the package
[06:36] <imbrandon> superm1, one sec, lemme drive home , back in 5 min
[06:36] <superm1> k
[06:36] <Daviey> superm1, in the tar file?
[06:37] <superm1> Daviey, its just a warning right?
[06:40] <Daviey> hmm
[06:40] <Daviey> E:
[06:40] <Daviey> :(
[06:40] <rogue780|laptop> oh. just to mention....I'll be able to provide a 1Mb mirror if ya'll want
[06:41] <superm1> Daviey, you can get more verbosity out of both linda and lintian
[06:42] <Daviey> okay, i'll try that later - thanks
[08:15] <imbrandon> hrm
[08:35] <superm1> imbrandon, ?
[08:37] <superm1> rogue780|laptop, i'll need to know what artwork you based the mythbuntu logo off of once you have it done, k?
[08:41] <rogue780|mythsvr> superm1, even mythbuntu in safe graphics mode no worky
[08:41] <rogue780|mythsvr> superm1, ok
[08:41] <superm1> rogue780|laptop, not a good thing :(
[08:44] <rogue780|mythsvr> does ubuntu get its version number from the year and the month?
[08:44] <superm1> yup
[08:44] <superm1> well month
[08:44] <superm1> yea too i guess
[08:44] <superm1> yes
[08:44] <rogue780|mythsvr> huh...I just realized that
[08:44] <rogue780|mythsvr> it makes more sense now
[09:39] <fstx> anybody getting myth to work in sweden?
[09:48] <bendailey> fstx, sorry I can't be of direct help but have you checked out: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mythtv-sweden
[09:56] <fstx> thanks for the tip. Alas, that group seems to be dead, but there might be something in the older messages.
[09:56] <superm1> fstx, what are the outstanding current issues with sweden?
[09:56] <superm1> guide data?
[09:57] <bendailey> fstx, sorry I justed looked date of the most recent message didn't realize it was spam
[10:00] <fstx> well, first I did not realize I had to install xmltv, then mythfilldatabase --manual failed with a ton of
[10:01] <fstx> messages, now I am running tv_grab_se --configure to see if that fixes it
[10:09] <fstx> now tv_grab_se_swedb spits out some xml, but not mythfilldatabase tries to run it. Should I move the ~/.xmltv/tv_grab_se_swedb.conf somewhere else? btw where does mythtv put its configuration?
[10:24] <superm1> fstx, I'm not too sure about how xmltv stuff is handled unfortunately.  (I'm lucky to have zap2it in the US).
[10:27] <fstx> you are lucky...
[10:37] <superm1> if gardengnome is around, he might have a few comments though
[10:37] <superm1> if not, take a gander over at #mythtv-users
[10:39] <gardengnome> huh
[10:39] <gardengnome> :)
[10:39] <gardengnome> ah
[10:39] <gardengnome> fstx: does tv_grab_se_swedb spit out something that looks like EPG listings?
[10:43] <fstx> gg: yes it does. I am a bit further along now, I can watch tv, and some channels have listings
[10:50] <gardengnome> i assume you have found mythfilldatabase --file then ;)
[10:51] <fstx> gg: no, i did myfilldatabase --manual. after a while I just held down the return key..
[10:51] <gardengnome> huh? are you a DVB user?
[10:52] <fstx> I have an analog card, and a dvb usb stick
[10:52] <gardengnome> ah
[10:52] <fstx> I think I will try the --file thing
[10:52] <gardengnome> for the DVB stick, you can just the channel scanner
[10:52] <gardengnome> fstx: no, if mfdb works, you don't need --file
[10:53] <gardengnome> --file is used if mfdb doesn't know your grabber
[10:56] <fstx> i am looking at the source site (tv.swedb.org) if they have any info
[10:57] <fstx> btw, are there any menus in playback mode, and if so, how do I get to them? I am sure this is in the FM:)
[10:57] <gardengnome> hit "m"
[11:03] <fstx> thx, then I got program guide, but then what?
[11:05] <fstx> i can't figure out how to change the channel
[11:06] <fstx> i am using a keyboard
[11:07] <fstx> also, is it possible to import the analog channels from xawtv, or edit them with emacs?
[11:47] <DaveMorris> Daviey: are the repos on mythbutntu working?
[11:47] <Daviey> no
[11:47] <DaveMorris> doh
[11:47] <Daviey> DaveMorris, there is an iso if you want to have a quick gander
[11:47] <superm1> still need imbrandon to set up the last step
[11:47] <DaveMorris> got my new server to setup, and the version of mythttv in feisty is the same as edgy still
[11:47] <superm1> DaveMorris, hold off about 30 min actually
[11:48] <superm1> i've got a new one coming up
[11:48] <superm1> with a few changes
[11:48] <DaveMorris> superm1: Ithe ISO install the base system as well?
[11:48] <superm1> the ISO install will do the entire base system yes
[11:48] <superm1> the next one will do a full backend and frontend install with all plugins out of the box
[11:49] <superm1> actually a LOT of changes, but visibly only a few will show up
[11:50] <Daviey> superm1, can we create a changelog in the iso folder?
[11:50] <superm1> if i kept up with each of the changes, yes.  lol
[11:50] <Daviey> :)
[11:50] <superm1> after this build i'll keep track of things i change
[11:51] <superm1> the big visible ones are that the backend and frontend and all plugins are installed by default.  when the new installer is put in, it will remove the ones that arent needed
[11:52] <Daviey> superm1, i've done the hard part - i've created a changelog file ;)
[11:52] <superm1> hehe
[11:52] <superm1> Daviey, can you read over the text i've put across the site
[11:52] <superm1> and catch my typos and add to it?
[11:53] <superm1> i thought i was pretty complete with it, but i'm sure i'm not
[11:53] <Daviey> looked pretty much okay
[11:54] <Daviey> i was going to change some stuff that you have since corrected - but didn't want to step on toes
[11:55] <DaveMorris> ok, I've got some new hardware to setup a backend on, if you guys will have an iso to use within a week I'll use that, if not I'lll do it myself, and then use my 'retiring' server for testing instead.  Although it'll be nice to sue the repos you guys setup
[11:57] <Daviey> sue the repo's ?
[11:57] <Daviey> that sounds quite harsh
[11:57] <DaveMorris> they should be on time instead then ;)
[12:00] <superm1> haha.
[12:00] <superm1> well the ISO is generating right now
[12:00] <DaveMorris> whats the default filesystem for mythbuntu?
[12:00] <superm1> the process took about an hour last time on the 400 mhz celeron
[12:02] <superm1> although looking at the build log, i just caught another problem.
[12:02] <superm1> i'll start over.  give it about another hour.
[12:02] <Daviey> superm1, i was thinking about trying to cluster the build process to use my LAN machines and yours....  As very little of it is actually compiling, not very pratical
[12:02] <Daviey> :(
[12:02] <superm1> well most of the time consuming process is just installing packages
[12:02] <superm1> imbrandon's mirror grabs them at 3500 kb/s
[12:03] <superm1> so the 400mhz celeron decides to go a bit slow at that
[12:03] <Daviey> :)
[12:03] <DaveMorris> re my filesystem question?
[12:03] <superm1> but Daviey if you see anything on the site that needs updating at all, dont worry about stepping on toes
[12:03] <superm1> DaveMorris, the installer right now doesnt have a particular preference towards one way or the other - we are still using the default ubuntu installer
[12:04] <superm1> you can use whatever filesystem you will prefer
[12:04] <DaveMorris> ok, was just reading about filesystem recommendations on mythtv site, JFS seemed optimal for the recordings paration, and using ext3 for the config part
[12:05] <superm1> well i'm a fan of xfs for recordings partition myself, but jfs is supposed to be great too
[12:05] <superm1> just stay away from reiserfs
[12:05] <Daviey> superm1, i don't expect we will get a huge rush of dl's when we first go live - but just incase, do you reckon we should only release via torrent for the first week after announce?
[12:05] <imbrandon> superm1, i have an upgrade for the box ( proc and ram ) just need to get the time to go install it ( probably be a few days ) , also i think i got the mirror stuff figured out, but it will be tonight before i have a chance to fix it 100%
[12:05] <Daviey> with mythbuntu.org being a seed aswell
[12:05] <DaveMorris> sounds like a good idea Daviey
[12:05] <superm1> Daviey, i think a torrent would be a good idea.  majoridiot's server in amsterdam can definately help a lot with that
[12:05] <superm1> then
[12:06] <DaveMorris> also make sure its run through mirrors before it gets digged etc
[12:06] <superm1> imbrandon, good good.  what do you think the mirror troubles have been caused by?
[12:06] <gardengnome> i can offer a few hundred gigs of traffic over BT as well
[12:06] <imbrandon> superm1, lighttpd vs apache
[12:08] <superm1> then i think BT will be quite ideal, even if its just a few of us hosting it via bt.
[12:08] <imbrandon> night all
[12:08] <superm1> night imbrandon
[12:08] <imbrandon> if its via BT i can have another 100MB/s connection in the same DC ( diffrent provider and comp ) also seed
[12:08] <imbrandon> anyhow gnight
[12:09] <DaveMorris> can myth cope with multiple sites for recordings yet?
[12:09] <superm1> not in the current release
[12:09] <superm1> 0.21 will introduce that
[12:09] <DaveMorris> in 0.21?
[12:09] <superm1> yes
[12:09] <DaveMorris> cool, I have a 80GB and 120GB drive sitting around doing nothing atm
[12:10] <superm1> LVM is the most ideal way to go for the current time, but the live installer has no support for it unfortunately
[12:10] <Daviey> DaveMorris, LVM is ideal - makes the hd's appear as one device
[12:10] <superm1> but software raid is another possibilitiy
[12:11] <Daviey> so you could have a 200GB 'drive'
[12:11] <superm1> or even possibility
[12:11] <Daviey> lvm is so easy to set up tho
[12:11] <DaveMorris> Daviey: but a pain if one disk dies
[12:11] <Daviey> True
[12:11] <Daviey> but if is  just recordings - is it a huge loss?
[12:11] <DaveMorris> I'd rather lose 80GB of data than 200GB
[12:12] <Daviey> fair nuff
[12:12] <DaveMorris> also as I'm poor I'm gonna buy a 500GB SATA drive in a few months time, after I've setup the box
[12:13] <DaveMorris> and I don't wanna try and add that into the LVM
[12:13] <Daviey> SATA - what's that the <grin>
[12:13] <superm1> Daviey, http://pastebin.ca/476153
[12:14] <Daviey> the only sata devices - laptop
[12:14] <superm1> i'm not sure what to do about that, since we need to have mysql-server installed in the env now, but it wants to start during install
[12:14] <superm1> cleaned up the other problem that was happening though
[12:15] <Daviey> hmm
[12:15] <Daviey> superm1, when did that error get introduced?
[12:16] <superm1> well thats what i'm wondering, i didnt see it in local builds on my laptop
[12:16] <superm1> but today, after adding in a lot more apps
[12:16] <rogue780|laptop> I may have missed it...but what's the advantages/disadvantages of lvm over raid?
[12:16] <superm1> you know what, i think i know why its happening
[12:17] <Daviey> superm1, starting before --config?
[12:18] <Daviey> care to share? :)
[12:19] <superm1> double checking to make sure i'm right
[12:19] <superm1> it really seems like its because /proc isnt mounted
[12:19] <superm1> or better yet staying mounted
[12:20] <superm1> but it is
[12:20] <superm1> hm
[12:21] <Daviey> i can't think of any reason it would umount
[12:22] <superm1> i'm going to start over and log the whole thing, you can watch it over with me.  i'll log it to ~/build.log
[12:22] <superm1> for my username
[12:23] <Daviey> devel  drupal
[12:23] <superm1> one sec, its cleaning up
[12:23] <Daviey> that's the contents of your /home
[12:23] <superm1> log will show up in a sec
[12:23] <superm1> there
[12:24] <Daviey> yep
[12:24] <superm1> i'm just using 'tail -f' to watch it
[12:24] <Daviey> hehe... i was trying cat -f
[12:26] <superm1> haha