[02:18] <ubotu> misfit_toy called the ops in #ubuntu-effects
[02:59] <bobstro> you guys do realize that some channels consider it rude NOT to announce aways, right?
[03:00] <Pumpernickel> And?
[03:00] <bobstro> well it's tough to configure a client to know the diff.
[03:00] <Pumpernickel> That's what human perception is for.
[03:01] <bobstro> now i think i'm seeing what the complaints are about ubuntu being a bit uptight.
[03:03] <Pumpernickel> It's a function on environment.  Check #ubuntu on a busy day, and then you may see why away announcements are discouraged.
[03:03] <Pumpernickel> s/on/of/
[03:04] <bobstro> i understand that ongoing are, but once on start leave, esp. as i said when i've been yapped at for the OPPOSITE is a bit uhmm..... controlling, no?
[03:05] <Pumpernickel> Exactly.
[03:05] <bobstro> so much for the ol' guidelines, eh?
[03:05] <Pumpernickel> Those are the guidelines.
[03:07] <bobstro> does your attitude reflect an official ubuntu stance, or is this just a personal control thing?
[03:07] <bobstro> your group certainly has the rep.
[03:09] <Pumpernickel> If it were personal, I would be the only one bringing this up.
[03:12] <TheSheep> bobstro: spamming busy channels with additional automated messages is certainly not allowed, and you don't need to do much thinking to know why
[03:13] <bobstro> i can turn that off, but the clients don't allow it per-server.
[03:13] <TheSheep> bobstro: use two clients :)
[03:13] <bobstro> and i see message everytime anyone joins or leaves already (unless i turn that off).
[03:13] <bobstro> good god, y'all. i come in and generally help more than i ask. this is a bit much.
[03:14] <TheSheep> bobstro: I'm sorry to hear it's such a great problem for you
[03:15] <bobstro> it's not for me. it's for you apparently.
[03:18] <bobstro> so how do i configure my client to not announce that i'm coming in or disconnecting?
[03:19] <TheSheep> bobstro: disable that script or read the manual for it, we have no idea what client and what script you're using
[03:19] <bobstro> i'm not talking about the away.
[03:19] <bobstro> i know what that is. like i said, that was response to being told to do so elsewhere. it's the other apparently offensive notifications i'm referring to.
[03:20] <bobstro> the ones the server apparently issues whenever someone comes in or leaves. i see scads of those.
[03:20] <TheSheep> bobstro: read about the /ignore command
[03:21] <bobstro> erm. how do i keep from so badly annoying everybody ELSE. i'm not having a problem with it.
[03:21] <LjL> bobstro, you do realize
[03:22] <TheSheep> bobstro: the server join/part messages are not annoying, as they are standard and can be easily filtered
[03:22] <LjL> that you, like, put yourself away and then back a total of 5 times, IIRC, and in one instance you actually changed from bobstro-away to bobstro-away-away?
[03:22] <LjL> anyway, clients have an /away command that's understood by the IRC server.
[03:22] <Ikawe> to be tested?
[03:22] <bobstro> LjL:  yes, a client hung.
[03:22] <LjL> people who /whois you will see that you're away (and a reason)
[03:22] <bobstro> and i re-set it.
[03:22] <LjL> people who don't /whois you but have a decent recent client will see your nick marked as away anyway.
[03:23] <LjL> so, since the IRC protocol *comes* with this feature, there is no need to roll your own.
[03:23] <bobstro> it also announces my entry and departure outside of my control.
[03:23] <LjL> especially when you're in a channel with 1200 people, where if everyone thought as you do ("how can one away message hurt anybody?"), we'd be spammed uncontrollably.
[03:24] <bobstro> i'm doing a /nick. i can't control what the other clients do!
[03:25] <bobstro> i'm saying the nick change isn't an announcement.
[03:26] <jrib> Ikawe: tested for?
[03:26] <LjL> i honestly don't care how you define "announcement"
[03:26] <LjL> !away
[03:26] <ubotu> Please don't use public away messages or change your nick to 'someone|away'.  We know you're away when you don't respond to messages. Also see !guidelines and !nickspam
[03:26] <LjL> that's what the factoid says
[03:26] <jrib> Ikawe: dcc exploit?
[03:28] <bobstro> christ, this is silly. i'll probably annoy more people by trying to turn it off.
[03:29] <Ikawe> jrib: so I am told.
[03:30] <jrib> Ikawe: join me in #jrib
[03:30] <TheSheep> bobstro: you will not achieve anything arguing
[03:30] <bobstro> well, i'm turning that off and trying something.
[03:33] <bobstro> hopefully my joining hasn't offended.
[03:33] <LjL> bobstro: by the way, some people have scripts (or something) that work like this: if you privmsg them, or mention their nickname, you get a (private, of course) notice saying they're away. only on the first message, that is.
[03:34] <jrib> Ikawe: ok, you should be able to join #ubuntu again.  Thanks for your patience
[03:34] <bobstro> LjL:  i'm all for that, just trying to live within confines of different rules at different places (and frankly, trying to understand why some blatantly racist remarks are tolerated, and stuff like this gets me a ban.)
[03:34] <Ikawe> jrib: thank you
[03:34] <ubotu> r0bby called the ops in #ubuntu
[03:35] <bobstro> hah, the timing is ironic.
[03:35] <LjL> quite so
[03:36] <bobstro> :)
[03:36] <LjL> jrib, i'm going to bed, you take care of it? i leave +r on?
[03:37] <jrib> LjL: sure, how long do you usually leave it on for?
[03:37] <LjL> jrib: normally, i leave it on until just about 5 seconds before the next attack.
[03:37] <jrib> heh
[03:38] <nalioth> klining all those IPs as we speak
[03:38] <nalioth> can someone -m ? my client is waaaaay lagged
[03:38] <LjL> no seriously, usually just 3 minutes or so, but it depends
[03:38] <nalioth> i'll watch the +r situation
[03:38] <LjL> yeah, it also depends on nalioth saying or not saying things like these :)
[03:38] <LjL> oh there's +m?
[03:38] <bobstro> i've fixed the dircproxy setup. you're still blocking me?
[03:38] <LjL> bobstro: no
[03:39] <bobstro> ah, said i couldn't send.
[03:39] <LjL> bobstro: that was unrelated, it was due to the channel being moderated
[03:59] <tonyyarusso> I take it I just missed some bot attacks?
[04:00] <nalioth> tonyyarusso: what a coincidence
[04:00] <tonyyarusso> Aww, evil?  But I just got back from church of all places!
[04:01] <Madpilot> nalioth, notice that he doesn't say which deity this church of his pays attention to :P
[04:01] <SportChick> nalioth: don't believe him - he really orchestrated them ;)
[04:01] <nalioth> SportChick: i know it, that's why i'm giving him 'the look'   :P
[04:01] <tonyyarusso> Madpilot: heh - just plain ol' (or should I say Ole) Lutherans
[04:03] <Madpilot> tonyyarusso, the famous Lutheran church of St. Spambot of the Attack Bots, right?
[04:03] <tonyyarusso> Madpilot: uh, sure.
[04:04] <nalioth> going -r
[04:04] <jrib> any #kubuntu op around, when you get a minute please unban Ikawe from #kubuntu (I tested him and removed his ban in #ubuntu)
[04:07] <nalioth> jrib: join #kubuntu please
[04:07] <jrib> nalioth: why don't we want bulk processing when kicking in -unregged?
[04:07] <nalioth> jrib: see -unregged
[04:07] <jrib> ah, ok
[06:57] <Madpilot> mass outbreak of stupidity...
[07:04] <HKJGN_> hey, i feel unfairly treated by mod Madpilot in Ubuntu-offtopic, i was thrown out of the server even after i said i would follow the rules, regardless to my accusations of them, and was repeatedly insulted by the mod. bieng called a child and asked to grow up, i believe he/she misunderstood my intentions, but overreacted in banning me even after i was over the arguement
[07:05] <HKJGN_> i've come to the IRC here for help on several occasions since i started using ubuntu, its not as if im just some troll, and i felt as though i was bieng treated very rudely
[07:42] <Myrtti> HKJGN_: you were warned, several times, on two channels, by different people, and told to adjust your language. When joining #ubuntu-channels, you're expected to have read the rules, and obey them. Usually people do understand the warnings and do what's necessary instead of bluntly breaking them just for fun.
[07:43] <Myrtti> I'm not an op on the channels where you've been banned, but having read the backlog, I really cannot offer you any consolation
[07:47] <HKJGN_> meh, w/e, this place is totalitarian, i guess theres no arguement i can make to bias, sorry to take up your time
[07:48] <Myrtti> I hope I wasn't too harsh on him
[07:49] <Madpilot> hardly. he's already heard exactly the same thing from two of us...
[07:50] <Tm_T> aww
[07:50] <Madpilot> I was just waiting for him to call us all "Nazis" - I guess 'totalitarian" is going to have to do
[07:51] <Madpilot> Tm_T, I'd agree with you, but then I'd have to kickban myself, which is always awkward... :P
[07:56] <Tm_T> neuropsyc-something ->
[08:04] <Myrtti> NOT HIM AGAIN
[08:05] <Myrtti> arrghhhhh ruben
[08:05] <Myrtti> I'm off to office
[08:05] <Myrtti> -->
[08:05] <Madpilot> Myrtti, we all need fans :P
[09:19] <Hobbsee> anything broke yet?
[09:19] <Hobbsee> Myrtti: ?
[09:19] <Myrtti> hum?
[09:21] <Hobbsee> with a lot of us being away
[09:21] <Myrtti> I made a mistake by talking to him
[09:21] <Hobbsee> heh
[09:21] <Myrtti> not that I've seen
[09:22] <Myrtti> besides foul language here and there
[09:23] <Hobbsee> ahhh
[09:23] <Hobbsee> hi Jucato
[09:23] <Hobbsee> oy, Seveas
[09:24] <Seveas> Myrtti, fowl language, not foul language :)
[09:24] <Hobbsee> ahh, good
[09:24] <Hobbsee> Seveas: is it worth op'ing people while we're all not here, for #ubuntu?
[09:24] <Myrtti> Seveas: I've had troubles lately writing english as I hear it
[09:24] <Seveas> Myrtti, it's an inside joke, sorry
[09:25] <Seveas> 'foul language' is perfect english
[09:25] <Myrtti> Seveas: :-) but I'm still annoyed with my recent problems with English spelling.
[09:25] <Myrtti> anyway
[09:26] <Seveas> hey elkbuntu
[09:27] <Seveas> the pool is cold today >:)
[09:27] <elkbuntu> hiiii
[09:27] <Myrtti> I've actually noticed that channels that somehow are related to events and conferences, tend to have some troubles with functioning while those events
[09:27] <Myrtti> same thing with !assembly on IRCnet
[09:28] <Hobbsee> !assembly
[09:28] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about assembly - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:28] <Hobbsee> oh
[09:28] <Hobbsee> Myrtti: yeah, true - most arent there
[09:28] <Myrtti> ops are in the buildcrew or systemcrew and when the discussion gets busy before the event, the ops are building the event
[09:35] <Hobbsee> damned Seveas
[09:36] <Myrtti> Hobbsee: http://www.assembly.org
[09:36] <Hobbsee> fun
[09:40] <Seveas> Hobbsee, so who should we add as temp ops?
[09:40] <Hobbsee> Seveas: hmmm.  who wants it?
[09:40] <Hobbsee> for oen
[09:40] <Hobbsee> Myrtti: might do it
[09:41] <Seveas> nice typo
[09:41] <Hobbsee> yes.
[09:41] <Seveas> oen is dutch for fool
[09:41] <nixternal> yes
[09:41] <Hobbsee> hah!
[09:41] <Myrtti> mmmm :-)
[09:41] <Hobbsee> yes, well, we already knew that you are a fool, Seveas
[09:41] <Seveas> nixternal, Myrtti: feel like taking on #ubuntu?
[09:41] <Madpilot> volunteer temp ops, fools, same thing
[09:41] <Hobbsee> Madpilot: *exactly*
[09:41] <Seveas> you shush
[09:41] <Madpilot> :P
[09:41] <nixternal> whats up?
[09:41] <Seveas> we've got to get thm to do it, then you can call them fool
[09:42] <Myrtti> /me shivers...
[09:42] <Seveas> nixternal, we need extra ops in #ubuntu while we're all busy at UDS
[09:42] <Madpilot> actually, scratch the 'volunteer temp' part of that :)
[09:42] <Seveas> fancy some trolling?
[09:42] <Myrtti> mmmmmm sure.
[09:42] <Hobbsee> no, no, *you're* the fool, Seveas
[09:42] <Hobbsee> Seveas: mmm...trolls
[09:42] <nixternal> Seveas: I have been an op in #ubuntu for a few weeks now :)
[09:42] <Seveas> Hobbsee, !
[09:42] <Hobbsee> Seveas: ?
[09:42] <nixternal> haha
[09:42] <Seveas> nixternal, good, the trolls are all yours then :)
[09:42] <Seveas> bon apetit
[09:42] <nixternal> hahah thanks!
[09:43] <Seveas> I'll add Myrtti as well
[09:43] <nixternal> Seveas: get me a bottle of Ponche Rum while you are there
[09:43] <nixternal> it doesn't matter, I can never react as fast as ljl anyways
[09:43] <Seveas> I put the tear in voluntear ;) (Yes I know that's not right :p)
[09:43] <Seveas> nixternal, ljl sleeps sometimes
[09:43] <nixternal> hahahaha
[09:43] <nixternal> Seveas: yes, but I bet his finger is on the trigger at all times
[09:44] <Seveas> sleepkicking instead of slepwalking :)
[09:44] <Myrtti> just add me to the !ops thingie, I've got gazillion windows open
[09:44] <nixternal> haha yes
[09:44] <Seveas> !ops
[09:44] <ubotu> Help! Mez, LjL, elkbuntu, imbrandon, DBO, gnomefreak, Hobbsee, rob, ompaul, Madpilot, Burgundavia, Seveas, CarlK, crimsun, ajmitch, tritium, Nalioth, thoreauputic, apokryphos, tonyyarusso, PriceChild, Amaranth, jrib, jenda, nixternal or mneptok
[09:44] <ubotu> Seveas called the ops in #ubuntu-ops
[09:44] <Burgundavia> Seveas: ?
[09:44] <Seveas> !no ops =~ s/ or mneptok/, Myrtti or mneptok/
[09:44] <ubotu> I know nothing about ops =~ s/ or mneptok/, myrtti or mneptok yet, Seveas
[09:44] <Seveas> !ops =~ s/ or mneptok/, Myrtti or mneptok/
[09:44] <ubotu> I'll remember that Seveas
[09:44] <PriceChild> @lart Seveas
[09:44] <PriceChild> arrrgh
[09:44] <Seveas> hi PriceChild and Burgundavia :)
[09:45] <Madpilot> PriceChild, you really didn't think the mad Dutchman's own bot would lart him, did you?
[09:45] <PriceChild> Madpilot: i know, i forgot
[09:45] <Myrtti> so where am I an op now?
[09:46] <Myrtti> and you prolly have op howto someplace?
[09:46] <Myrtti> I've been an op in #ubuntu-fi for a long time, but there's been no need to use that right
[09:46] <Madpilot> Myrtti, get xchat + the chanserv.py script, then /cs kb away
[09:47] <Myrtti> xchat :-<
[09:47] <Myrtti> do I really have to?
[09:47] <Myrtti> irssi <3
[09:48] <Madpilot> given the number of irssi victi^W^Wfans around, there've got to be decent op scripts for it
[09:48] <Seveas> nalioth has one
[09:48] <Seveas> and you're op in #ubuntu
[09:48] <Seveas> Madpilot, why aren't you at UDS? Your little brother is :)
[09:49] <Myrtti> ok, so if people holler ops at xubuntu, and it highlights me, I just keep my hands under my ass
[09:49] <Madpilot> Seveas, one of us is enough. Although I don't chase ducks while drunk like Burgundavia does.
[09:49] <Burgundavia> wait wait
[09:50] <PriceChild> ducks!
[09:50] <Madpilot> Oh, did I actually type that? Didn't mean to, really. <halo>
[09:50] <Hobbsee> Madpilot: i thought that was jono?
[09:50] <Seveas> jono loves ducks, corey chases them. jono chases corey
[09:50] <Madpilot> Hobbsee, he's been chasing jono while drunk?
[09:51] <Hobbsee> Madpilot: no, jono's been attempting to climb orange trees while drunk.
[09:51] <Burgundavia> ok, this is getting very non PG
[09:51] <Seveas> PG?
[09:51] <Seveas> Poultry Grooming?
[09:52] <Madpilot> Pretty Gooselike?
[09:52] <Hobbsee> Seveas: i dont want to know about you and poultry grooming..
[09:52] <Seveas> Hobbsee, I eat poultry :)
[09:52] <Hobbsee> only eat it?
[09:52] <Seveas> preferably when dead & cooked
[09:53] <Hobbsee> raw's much better
[09:53] <Seveas> if you fancy some salmonella
[09:53] <Myrtti> nalioth: ping
[09:54] <Seveas> he's probably asleep
[09:54] <Seveas> given that it's around ridiculous-o-clock where he lives
[09:54] <Myrtti> I just wanted to get my message in his awaylog
[09:54] <Myrtti> :-)
[09:56] <PriceChild> argh he got me again :(
[10:08] <Myrtti> arrhhh
[10:09] <Myrtti> /me goes to read the freenode help
[10:10] <Myrtti> Madpilot: /quote remove should be good, yes?
[10:10] <Hobbsee> PriceChild: why, what's happening?
[10:10] <PriceChild> pokage
[10:10] <Madpilot>  /quote I don't know - /remove is a useful alternative to /kick
[10:11] <PriceChild> *poke-age ? - meh you get the idea :)
[10:11] <Hobbsee> Myrtti: /quote remove, yes
[10:11] <Hobbsee> PriceChild: ahh
[10:11] <Hobbsee> i'm not in there
[10:12] <Myrtti> /alias kubu /quote remove
[10:12] <Myrtti> :-)
[10:20] <ubotu> In #ubuntu, aftertaf said: !tovid is simple and powerful DVD authoring software - http://tovid.wikia.com/
[10:52] <Madpilot> G'night, all. Stay away from the ducks, Corey.
[12:11] <GazzaK> meh
[02:34] <nalioth> Myrtti: pong
[02:37] <Myrtti> would you happen to have the irssi script for operators in freenode
[02:38] <Myrtti> I'm just about to get annoyed
[02:39] <Myrtti> My wifi connection is too crappy for me to endure
[02:40] <Hobbsee> oh?
[02:40] <Hobbsee> ahhh
[02:46] <nalioth> Myrtti: i do. let me find it
[02:47] <nalioth> Myrtti: http://pastebin.ca/475406
[02:50] <Hobbsee> hi nalioth
[02:57] <Myrtti> nalioth: thanks
[02:57] <Myrtti> I'll see if it works
[02:59] <nalioth> oh it works.  <EG>
[03:01] <Myrtti> didn't actually
[03:01] <Myrtti> but I wgetted it from http://rzlab.ucr.edu/debian/auto_bleh.pl_  and now it works
[03:06] <nalioth> well, you have to chmod +x it
[03:07] <nalioth> and the one i offer was rewritten by seveas to work with Ubuntu (something about the terminal type in Ubuntu muxes up the standard version)
[03:08] <Myrtti> nalioth: hmm, but the copyright info has remained the same? ;-)
[03:08] <Myrtti> tsktsk
[03:08] <nalioth> Myrtti: talk to seveas
[03:08] <Myrtti> I'll have a look at it later
[03:08] <Myrtti> home -->
[04:13] <Pici> !omgamaranth
[04:13] <ubotu> Amaranth: Get back to work!
[07:05] <ubotu> In ubotu, Pici said: crontab is <alias> cron
[07:31] <ubotu> Ix0s called the ops in #ubuntu
[07:33] <SportChick> w 100
[07:33] <SportChick> oops, sorry
[07:53] <ubotu> Ali_ix called the ops in #ubuntu
[08:52] <ubotu> chemist109 called the ops in #kubuntu
[09:07] <Tm_T> hmh
[09:07] <Tm_T> BAH!
[09:29] <crdlb> !autostart-#ubuntu-effects
[09:29] <ubotu> You could edit /etc/gdm/gdm.conf-custom to start Xgl by default each time or could make a session file for it so you can choose X or Xgl by each login(the latter is often preferred). https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/Xgl#head-0322ac34c5a296667173383199f6f0d908245f08
[09:29] <crdlb> if someone isn't busy, could they move that to autostart-xgl or something?
[09:30] <crdlb> because it really isn't relevant anymore and the regular !autostart would be more useful
[11:52] <ubotu> chemist109 called the ops in #ubuntu