[12:26] <Howdy125> I would think those two programs would look great by now as long as they've been available.
[12:27] <aboyousif> Howdy125, what do you mean ?
[12:28] <Howdy125> I mean they should have good looking fonts. aboyousif but I don't always know what I'm talking about .. ;)
[12:29] <Howdy125> xmms has been around for Hmmm .. 5 years or more I think.
[12:30] <Pumpernickel> More like 10.
[12:30] <aboyousif> Howdy125, the point here is the render interface or the technology used to display the GUI in it is not as the same .. i guess something is missing
[12:30] <Howdy125> I knew it was a while ..
[12:31] <Howdy125> Could be aboyousif
[12:32] <Pumpernickel> It uses the 1.x branch of gtk, instead of 2.x.
[12:32] <RubberToad> hi, anybody here with DamnSmallLinux expirience that can join me in #damnsmalllinux
[12:32] <Pumpernickel> It also hasn't been updated much at all in recent years.
[12:33] <Pumpernickel> Which is probably why it looks a bit off.
[12:33] <aboyousif> Pumpernickel, well is there any chance to fix or enable themeing for it ?
[12:33] <Pumpernickel> Not really.
[12:34] <RubberToad> or here anyhelp on i cannot remove a Desktop symbol since there is no /Desktop
[12:35] <LaHrrSLoVeLL> Anyone here?
[12:36] <Pumpernickel> You might try Beep Media Player, since it uses gtk+ 2.
[12:37] <aboyousif> Pumpernickel, yes but i need to work on audacity
[12:37] <Pumpernickel> (It being based somewhat on xmms.)
[12:37] <Pumpernickel> Or Audacious, which is in turn based on Beep.
[12:38] <aboyousif> Pumpernickel, actually i like totem :) .. but the audacity is the problem
[12:38] <Pumpernickel> ah
[12:40] <kalikiana> !anyone | LaHrrSLoVeLL
[12:40] <ubotu> LaHrrSLoVeLL: A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?
[12:42] <aboyousif> !apps
[12:42] <ubotu> A comprehensive list of of Windows-equivalent applications in Linux can be found at http://www.linuxrsp.ru/win-lin-soft/table-eng.html and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WhatWindowsUsersWant
[12:53] <TomR> how does xubuntu compare to the server edition? can I software raid?
[12:53] <TomR> I plan on using it for virtualbox, and I want to be able to run the gui, but not lose system resources.
[01:26] <rmd_> is there a way around xubuntu-desktop's use of gdm?
[01:26] <Jester45> yea, you can not use it at all or use kdm
[01:26] <rmd_> what about xdm?
[01:27] <Jester45> idk about that
[01:27] <Jester45> !xdm
[01:27] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about xdm - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:27] <Jester45> is it a lightweight dm?
[01:28] <rmd_> that would be my guess
[01:28] <Pumpernickel> They're interchangeable.
[01:28] <rmd_> i just don't see any point in using the xubuntu-desktop if its going to install gnome crap
[01:28] <aboyousif> !gdm
[01:28] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about gdm - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:28] <aboyousif> !login
[01:28] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about login - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:28] <aboyousif> !loginmanager
[01:28] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about loginmanager - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:28] <aboyousif> !help
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[01:28] <rmd_> brb
[01:29] <Jester45> rmd_: the xubuntu-desktop package has more then just gdm as a gnome part
[01:44] <bur[n] er> gdm is not a "gnome" part
[01:44] <bur[n] er> it is pure gtk
[01:45] <Jester45> gnome is gtk also
[01:47] <Jester45> my way of thinking about names is if it starts with  a K then dontever use, a G ok if needed and X simple and fast
[01:58] <Whamazoom> my liveCD of xubuntu doesnt open the network app
[02:19] <Whamazoom> I hope this xubuntu works nicely
[02:22] <keb> depends what you want it for ;)
[02:23] <Whamazoom> Well...its not letting me install.....I do not have user rights to partition my HDD....????!
[02:23] <Whamazoom> wtf.
[02:24] <Whamazoom> Am I missing something?
[02:25] <TheSheep> Whamazoom: better verify that cd for defects -- there is an aoption in the boot menu for that
[02:25] <keb> is HDD your hard disk drive or /dev/hdd which might be the cdrom ?
[02:26] <Whamazoom> I checked CD for defects, then let the Live part load....I hit the install button and now it wont let me partition my Hard disk drive
[02:27] <keb> usually your hard disk is /dev/hda or /dev/sda
[02:27] <Whamazoom> its dev/sda in this case
[02:28] <Whamazoom> I choose guided - use entire disk, then partitioner loads then tells me I dont have rights to partition.
[02:29] <TheSheep> partitions don't have permissions :/
[02:29] <Whamazoom> I know....which is why I don't understand whats going on........ can I just have ONE linux experience that doesnt make me running abck to windows lol....:(
[02:31] <TheSheep> there is something very wrong, probably also connected with the network utility not working
[02:31] <Whamazoom> hmm I even md5summed
[02:35] <Whamazoom> I guess i will try the alternate install CD
[02:44] <Jester45> please dont go back to windows :)
[02:44] <Whamazoom> its the only os that works
[02:44] <Jester45> you will find great things in linux
[02:45] <Jester45> Whamazoom: you may think that, it 'just works' becuase allmost all hardware is made for windows
[02:49] <Jester45> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALqduQfm09c
[02:49] <Jester45> ^cool wiimote + beryl
[02:49] <TheSheep> Jester45: actually, is there any hardware that doesn't work on windows but works on other operating systems?
[02:50] <Jester45> probly
[02:51] <Jester45> ooo i know
[02:51] <Jester45> ps3 hardware, maybe
[02:51] <Jester45> xbox 360
[02:51] <Jester45> or a wii
[02:51] <Jester45> but... they are no pcs
[02:52] <Jester45> and i said allmost all hardware is made for windows, nothing about it not working for windows, ati makes their cards for mac/windows but works on linux what about the other way
[02:53] <kalikiana> TheSheep, SPARC
[02:53] <kalikiana> There is no windows for SPARC.
[02:53] <TheSheep> kalikiana: umm... wasn't there windows NT for that?
[02:53] <TheSheep> kalikiana: no, wait, it was for Alpha
[02:53] <Jester45> actually i dont know if ati has mac drivers,most likely
[02:54] <kalikiana> Jester45, They do support mac of course.
[02:54] <kalikiana> I don't know if they support Linux on PowerPC, though.
[02:57] <Jester45> on another note, is dual head concidered two video cards or 1 card 2 outputs
[02:57] <Jester45> and is 2 cards possible
[02:57] <Jester45> i think my intergrated would be a nice terminal
[03:03] <kalikiana> Jester45, You can plug one monitor in one card each if you like.
[03:05] <Jester45> yea thats was i was thinking newcard for desktop and older for a ttyl
[03:05] <Jester45> the only problem i might have
[03:05] <Jester45> is the intergrated is nvidia and the pci one is ati
[03:08] <test3r> Hey everyone - i got Xubuntu704 to duel-boot on an HP Pavilion laptop with XP using GParted to do the initial partitioning! However, I can't access my WiFi network with it! It is lighting up the spots on my card like it is scanning when I activate the wireless network under Applications>System>Network, but even though it looks like it is working, it can't seem to find my network! I have my WEP key correct, and my ESSID correct. What
[03:09] <Jester45> !wifi
[03:09] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[03:09] <test3r> good point. lemme c if they have a solution.
[05:12] <Jester46> could anyone please help me with my dual head i dont know what is wrong. my cards are both ati one is radeon 9250 and other is rage pro, i have 2 screen the radeon is connected to screen0 and rage pro to screen1 i can only get screen0 to work. my xorg.conf is at http://rafb.net/p/WgTjf252.html
[05:26] <brianw> I have to say I am impressed w/ the Fiesty release. Great work
[05:26] <brianw> http://palmsprings.craigslist.org/sys/325681845.html
[05:26] <brianw> Xubuntu screams on that setup ^^
[05:27] <Jester45> on what
[05:27] <brianw> That link I posted
[05:28] <Jester45> i just came back
[05:28] <brianw> http://palmsprings.craigslist.org/sys/325681845.html
[05:28] <brianw> I have to say I am impressed w/ the Fiesty release. Great work
[05:28] <brianw> That is what I posted right befor eyou joined
[05:28] <Jester45> pretty good for 150
[05:28] <brianw> I am the seller. :)
[05:29] <Jester45> oo
[05:29] <Jester45> and i was just about to write an email
[05:30] <Jester45> why are you selling for so cheap
[05:30] <brianw> I get parts/pc's from family/friends/clients and repurpose them. Usually I end up giving them away
[05:31] <brianw> I have all kinds of parts and such, to frankenstein PC's
[05:31] <Jester45> well, im a 10th grader
[05:31] <brianw> I mainly give away to local students
[05:31] <Jester45> and my sis is kinda in college 1/2 time
[05:31] <brianw> Where do you live?
[05:31] <Jester45> us missouri
[05:32] <brianw> Ahh
[05:32] <Jester45> you? i could pay for shipping, and i wouldnt need some of the things in the list
[05:33] <brianw> I live in the Palm Springs area, Southern California
[05:33] <Jester45> like the moniter and mouse and lan cable
[05:34] <Jester45> man and its preinstalled with xubuntu
[05:34] <brianw> I have 2 inquireies thus far, email the link and you get in the que
[05:34] <brianw> I also have another one in the pipeline
[05:34] <Jester45> k i will
[05:34] <brianw> Specs are not as good though, amd tbird 925 w/ 512 ram
[05:35] <nekomancer> one has to love this community...
[05:35] <nekomancer> where else do people spend time rebuilding old pc's and giving them away for free?
[05:36] <nekomancer> it's amazing.
[05:36] <brianw> linux or ubuntu ? I am mainly a gentoo user myself. But I would not like to give a person who is new to linux a gentoo box. heh
[05:38] <brianw> And there are not too many xfce based distros that I really like. And Xubuntu really has comne into it's own. It is a top notch product imo
[05:39] <nekomancer> it's the linux comuntiy
[05:39] <Jester45> im not that new
[05:39] <Jester45> all though im having troble with dual head
[05:39] <nekomancer> i like puppy myself, but ubuntu has much more flashy stuff...
[05:39] <test3r> i got the networking solved on that DuelBoot HP Pavilion
[05:40] <test3r> I had to switch my key to "Open" encryp
[05:40] <brianw> wep? eww
[05:40] <test3r> I read online that it can actually be BETTER than Shared encryp for WEP security - is this true? Im not sure what to think
[05:40] <brianw> test3r: yes it is true
[05:40] <test3r> yes it is rly my only choice until i get better router
[05:41] <brianw> test3r: that being said, it makes little difference sonce wep is so trivial to crack
[05:41] <test3r> OK thank you brian.  Well yes but my neighbors are an old lady and two dipshits that cant even keep their dog in the fence
[05:41] <brianw> test3r: got an old pc lying about? checkout pfSense
[05:41] <test3r> they piled up old tires
[05:41] <brianw> heh
[05:41] <test3r> next to the fence? the dog just climes ontop of them
[05:41] <test3r> I dont get it...   ^ ^
[05:42] <test3r> I dont think they will b trying to crack my wep ne time soon.
[05:42] <test3r> even if some1 did what will they find????  OOOOO alot of stuff they already knew was around. whoopie ding.
[05:42] <test3r> =)
[05:43] <test3r> you know the other day i was searching with Google for a converter for file formats (FLA > MPG, AVI to be exact)
[05:43] <test3r> and you know what come up in the results somehow? a scene rls.
[05:44] <test3r> pretty rediculous.
[05:45] <Jester45> brianw: sent mail
[05:45] <brianw> Jester45: kk
[05:47] <Jester45> brianw: i have to go to bed soon but thanks for showing link, hopefully i can get a family member to write a check or something for shipping i know its gonna be pretty high
[05:47] <test3r> cdparanoia is running fast on that Pavilion its already on track11 of first incubus album and i started it when i got on here
[05:47] <nekomancer> !pastebin
[05:47] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[05:48] <test3r> yeah yeah I get it.  sry.  im just excited  it's up and going Duel Boot n all. new xubuntu. pretty pimp.
[05:49] <brianw> dual*, unless you plan on sword fighting it
[05:50] <brianw> :)
[05:50] <test3r> spell check still doesnt tell me im an idiot using the wrong word- when are we gana code That project????
[05:51] <brianw> heh
[05:52] <test3r> now do i got oggy installd?
[05:52] <test3r> i did automatix
[05:52] <test3r> can i man ogg?
[05:52] <Jester45> lol, a are you sure dont dont mean this? or how about a list of definitions
[05:54] <test3r> vorbistoolsplz
[05:54] <test3r> !vorbis
[05:54] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about vorbis - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:54] <test3r> !ogg
[05:54] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[05:55] <test3r> there we r.  hey i found a bug! vorbis should b linkt unless its rly spelld-
[05:55] <Jester45> ok well, ima going to sleep now
[05:55] <test3r> !vorbus
[05:55] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about vorbus - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:55] <Jester45> bug #1
[05:55] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 1 in Ubuntu "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Critical,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/1
[05:55] <hitmanWilly> !vorbis
[05:55] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about vorbis - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:03] <test3r> seeeen.
[06:06] <keyvin> whats going on tonight guys
[06:06] <nekomancer> test3r, i think ogg is on by default...
[06:07] <test3r> i had forgot the good people of our distro included the vorbis-tools  pak by default for us
[06:33] <test3r> hey- should i dare trying GLXcube on that Pavilion laptop???
[06:33] <test3r> i think it has some generic IBM accelerator in it
[06:35] <test3r> glxinfo | grep rendering reports Yes
[06:35] <test3r> !!!!  =O   =)
[06:35] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about o   =) - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:35] <test3r> lols.
[06:37] <test3r> nice glxgears gave 500+ FPS  all While XMMS was playing ogg.  i suppose ill try for doom on the thing then
[07:45] <Gerro> omg md5sum command keeps blowing me off. I made a text file called stuff and everything in it looks like this flaiefjklaf4343290flkajfelaf ./file.jpg space alfiaejflaejfaj45534 ./file2.jpg then I did md5sum -c stuff inside that directory
[07:45] <Gerro> not space I mean new line
[07:46] <Gerro> should I leave any blank lines perhaps!? is it like gcc compiling?
[08:31] <_Codeman_> how do I edit global key bindings in xubuntu?
[10:36] <aboyousif> hello guys
[11:20] <nopcode> hey
[11:20] <nopcode> i just installed xubuntu but had to switch to 640x400x16 to see anything
[11:20] <nopcode> because otherwise the screen went and stayed black
[11:20] <nopcode> now it's installed but when booting i get the same problem
[11:20] <nopcode> that is, a black screen all the way
[11:21] <nopcode> got a geforce 8800 gts
[11:21] <nopcode> any suggestions?
[11:21] <Myrtti> have you tried vesa?
[11:22] <nopcode> how do i do that?
[11:23] <nopcode> btw i wonder, can i somehow disable that logo completely?
[11:23] <Myrtti> nvidia?
[11:23] <nopcode> i actually want to see the kernel message when booting, every time
[11:23] <nopcode> Myrtti: yeah
[11:24] <Myrtti> try replacing nvidia with nv in Driver -line of /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[11:25] <nopcode> if you can tell me how to boot i'll try that :)
[11:25] <nopcode> i'd like it to initially boot in normal 80x25 textmode
[11:25] <nopcode> and not start X obviously
[11:26] <nopcode> well i suppose vga=ask
[11:27] <nopcode> but how do i prevent X from starting?
[11:27] <nopcode> well i'll try brb
[11:33] <nopcode> re
[11:33] <nopcode> it works if i just remove the "splash" option :)
[11:33] <Myrtti> from grub?
[11:33] <nopcode> yeah
[11:33] <Myrtti> yeah.
[11:33] <nopcode> then X comes up and everything
[11:33] <nopcode> now, my network card doesnt work either unfortunately
[11:34] <nopcode> its a realtek gigbit card
[11:34] <Myrtti> realtek is a curse word
[11:34] <nopcode> it say "link down"
[11:34] <nopcode> says
[11:34] <nopcode> in dmesg
[11:34] <nopcode> well dunno i think by now realtek should be ok for consumers
[11:35] <nopcode> i only use it for dsl anyways 99% of the time :)
[11:35] <Myrtti> nopcode: lspci | grep Realtek
[11:35] <nopcode> i'm obviously not in linux right now
[11:36] <Myrtti> hm
[11:36] <nopcode> "realtek RTL8168/8111 PCI-E Gigabit Ethernet NIC"
[11:36] <nopcode> thats what windows says
[11:36] <nopcode> the linux drivers thats loaded says similar
[11:36] <nopcode> iirc
[11:37] <Myrtti> nopcode: you've got feisty?
[11:37] <aboyousif> !battery-monitor
[11:37] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about battery-monitor - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:37] <aboyousif> !battery
[11:37] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about battery - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:38] <aboyousif> !battery-applet
[11:38] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about battery-applet - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:38] <aboyousif> !applets
[11:38] <ubotu> To add useful applets to your panel, right click on the panel and choose "Add applet"
[11:38] <aboyousif> !applets-link
[11:38] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about applets-link - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:38] <aboyousif> !applets-list
[11:38] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about applets-list - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:38] <nopcode> Myrtti: yeah
[11:38] <Myrtti> aboyousif: you can use ubotu with /msg
[11:38] <nopcode> Myrtti: would you suggest building a custom kernel?
[11:39] <aboyousif> Myrtti, sorry didn't know that
[11:39] <Myrtti> not really yet
[11:39] <nopcode> Myrtti: maybe i could put a newer kernel package on an usb stick?
[11:39] <nopcode> (btw this is x86-64 if that matters)
[11:39] <nopcode> brb
[11:48] <nopcode> re
[11:48] <nopcode> Myrtti: any idea if a recent kernel package will fix this?
[11:50] <Myrtti> nope, I've got no idea
[11:51] <nopcode> well ok i'll try again
[11:56] <nopcode> Myrtti: any idea where to get the kernel package?
[11:56] <nopcode> and its dependencies?
[11:58] <Myrtti> you could try asking at #ubuntu, this hardly is specifically xubuntu related question :-)
[11:58] <Myrtti> more people would see your question there
[11:58] <nopcode> oh, ok
[11:58] <nopcode> well i never understood why theres different ubuntu distros..
[11:58] <Myrtti> they're not actually
[11:59] <nopcode> then why the fsck..?
[11:59] <nopcode> why all this "xubuntu" "kubuntu" "edubuntu" mess?
[12:00] <Myrtti> because cdrom is 700MB :-)
[12:00] <aboyousif> nopcode, it is nod mess
[12:00] <nopcode> uh well they could've made a dvd-image?
[12:00] <Myrtti> there's another reasons, but the difference basically is the apps and gui, not the basic stuff
[12:00] <aboyousif> nopcode, you have to choose the interface you want and the other things is the same
[12:00] <nopcode> aboyousif: that doesnt warrant having different distros
[12:01] <nopcode> the interface is a marginal detail
[12:01] <Myrtti> it's not a different distro, you can switch to gnome and ubuntu with installing ubuntu-desktop
[12:01] <aboyousif> nopcode, if you tried them you will know they are not different
[12:01] <Myrtti> or to kde and kubuntu with kubuntu-desktop
[12:01] <nopcode> well anyways
[12:01] <nopcode> where can i get kernel packages?
[12:01] <nopcode> i suppose i can simply install new kernel using dpkg?
[12:02] <Myrtti> sure
[12:05] <nopcode> well where can i find them? ;)
[01:27] <Jester45> nopcode: if you see this, the only part the same is the core. ubuntu usees gnome related stuff kubuntu kde xubuntu xfce and edubutu i think uses gnome also. they all have the same release time and all use the same repo
[01:27] <nopcode> then they shouldnt be different projects
[01:29] <Jester45> have you tried more than one? its a really good thing
[01:29] <nopcode> anyways
[01:29] <nopcode> maybe you can help me
[01:29] <nopcode> i downloaded a 2.6.22 kernel package from gutsy
[01:29] <Jester45> i read about it and i cant
[01:29] <Jester45> sorry
[01:29] <Jester45> and i have to go to school soon
[01:30] <nopcode> ok np
[03:01] <archangelpetro> is there any specific process that could be terminated to prevent sound from working on the system?
[03:02] <h3sp4wn> archangelpetro: what do you mean ?
[03:02] <archangelpetro> well
[03:02] <h3sp4wn> You want to disable sound ? or it has crashed ?
[03:02] <archangelpetro> i came back to my computer after sleeping
[03:03] <archangelpetro> and xmms nor amarok would play music
[03:03] <archangelpetro> so i assume the sound was gone
[03:04] <h3sp4wn> anything in - 'lsof /dev/dsp* /dev/snd/*'
[03:05] <archangelpetro> i've rebooted
[03:05] <archangelpetro> :/
[03:23] <cliebow_> WOW!
[03:27] <aboyousif> anyone has edgy here ?
[03:33] <aboyousif> kalikiana, any differences you touched between feisty and edgy in xfce ?
[03:35] <jgamio> aboyousif: in feisty xfce is more stable but i dont know why consume more memory (at least to me)
[03:36] <aboyousif> jgamio, xfce is not the lightest ever .. it is heavy to some extend ofcourse not like gnome or kde but it make some balance between easy / features and lightness
[03:41] <jgamio> aboyousif: if run with 128 MB is ligh I think feisty has more gnome dependence
[03:42] <kalikiana> aboyousif, Xfce was updated. Anything specific you'd want to know?
[03:42] <kalikiana> jgamio, Which would that be?
[03:42] <aboyousif> jgamio, sorry i can't get what u mean
[03:42] <kalikiana> Actually I recommend you to update to 4.4.1 if you have memory issues.
[03:43] <aboyousif> kalikiana, thanks ..
[03:43] <cliebow_>   anyone have a url on locking down ?
[03:43] <aboyousif> cliebow_, what is locking down ?
[03:44] <jgamio> kalikiana: I dont know by sure gnome but by example feisty mount my harddrivers by default that mean more app run
[03:44] <aboyousif> cliebow_, http://www.linuxforums.org/security/locking_down_ubuntu.html
[03:44] <cliebow_> ohh little things like preventing shutdown..preventing users navigating outside their homedir..that kind of pessulus thing..
[03:45] <cliebow_> using ltsp you see
[03:45] <kalikiana> jgamio, No, you guessed wrong there. Thunar does the auto mounting by itself now.
[03:45] <kalikiana> jgamio, And you can turn it off if you like to.
[03:45] <aboyousif> cliebow_, it is my first time to know such thing .. thanks for that ..
[03:46] <cliebow_> aboyousif, thanks for the comeback//just the same
[03:46] <cliebow_> anyone in Seville?
[03:48] <aboyousif> cliebow_, spain ?
[03:48] <cliebow_> yes..ubuntu dev conf
[04:23] <DrCurl> hi
[04:24] <deniz_ogu1> Hello. I've just installed xubuntu Feisty. Isn't it coming with OpenOffice by default?
[04:24] <DrCurl> I find Ubuntu a little bloated for me and I'm considering xubuntu but I have a few questions...
[04:24] <DrCurl> what is the media player in xubuntu?
[04:25] <cliebow_> DrCurl, lemme give it  a try
[04:25] <deniz_ogu1> DrCurl: gxine by default. but i installed vlc and using it.
[04:26] <DrCurl> gxine for music as well?
[04:26] <cliebow_> i got totem
[04:27] <deniz_ogu1> it seems so. but you know there's some license problems with mp3s for example and I pdefer vlc, it plays everything. (of cource after you download the codec packages first)
[04:27] <DrCurl> ok
[04:27] <cliebow_> oops..gxine for an audio cd
[04:28] <DrCurl> is there a vfs, like if I wanna browse samba, or ssh/ftp
[04:28] <cliebow_> usb key works sweet!
[04:29] <kalikiana> DrCurl, There is fusesmb.
[04:30] <kalikiana> !fusesmb
[04:30] <kalikiana> !info fusesmb
[04:30] <DrCurl> kalikiana, is it setup by default, or di I have to mess with configs to get it?
[04:30] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about fusesmb - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:30] <ubotu> fusesmb: filesystem client based on the SMB file transfer protocol. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.8.5-1 (feisty), package size 26 kB, installed size 140 kB
[04:31] <deniz_ogu1> Dear friends is there OpenOffice.org coming with xubuntu by default. While I was first installing xubuntu, there were some packages related with OpenOffice if i am not mistaken. But I had to make another install and there's no OpenOffice now. Is it as it should to be?
[04:31] <kalikiana> DrCurl, You need to install it. You should look in the forum, there is an easy howto.
[04:32] <DrCurl> ok
[04:32] <maxamillion> deniz_ogu1: with the livecd i believe there are some open office packages that are there, i think they are mainly for language purposes but to my knowledge the default installation does not come with openoffice
[04:33] <deniz_ogu1> maxamillion: Thanks. I got it now.
[04:33] <maxamillion> deniz_ogu1: anytime :)
[04:33] <DrCurl> I tried xfce under zenwalk, and one thing I didn't like was that folder content wasn't automatically refreshing under thunar. Is it like this in xubuntu as well?
[04:35] <maxamillion> DrCurl: no, that is an old bug that to my knowledge was associated with Thunar and i would assume the bug has been resolved in zenwalk
[04:35] <maxamillion> DrCurl: but ultimately to answer your question: no, that issue is not in xubuntu
[04:36] <kalikiana> It's a well known problem with people who forget to compile Thunar with gamin. :P
[04:36] <DrCurl> ok
[04:37] <maxamillion> kalikiana: well .. yes, that too ;)
[04:37] <DrCurl> and cd/usn keys are automagically mounted too?
[04:37] <h3sp4wn> I would prefer it not compiled with that
[04:37] <maxamillion> h3sp4wn: really?
[04:37] <DrCurl> s/usn/usb
[04:37] <h3sp4wn> maxamillion: yep - rather just do a manual refresh if I need to
[04:37] <maxamillion> DrCurl: ah, yes ... those are all auto mounted in xubuntu
[04:38] <maxamillion> h3sp4wn: fair enough
[04:38] <kalikiana> DrCurl, Look into Thunar's preferences for automounting options. ;)
[04:39] <DrCurl> is it hard to get the gnome deskbar in xfce panel? someone is using it?
[04:40] <maxamillion> DrCurl: gnome deskbar? ... is that just a panel plugin?
[04:40] <DrCurl> yes
[04:41] <maxamillion> DrCurl: xfce panel has gnome plugin support ... i wouldn't assume it to be hard at all
[04:42] <DrCurl> if I install things like gnome deskbar and rhythmbox, will I get a XFCE that is as bloated/slow as gnome :|
[04:42] <maxamillion> TheSheep: hi hi
[04:42] <DrCurl> since those apps use gnome libs
[04:42] <maxamillion> DrCurl: that i don't know .... it would depend alot on which gnome-libs they use
[04:43] <maxamillion> DrCurl: xubuntu actually uses a couple of the lighter gnome-libs simply out of convenience
[04:43] <DrCurl> ok
[04:43] <TheSheep> DrCurl: try mpd :)
[04:43] <DrCurl> mpd is cool, but I need a music manager that can manage my portable player as well
[04:44] <maxamillion> DrCurl: actually ... i would recommend you try exaile .... when you close the program window it minimizes to the system tray and you can right click it for functionality from that point ... rather nice alternative and it doesn't need gnome-libs
[04:44] <DrCurl> anyway, I think I much prefer thunar and the superb xfce compositor... even if it gets as slow as gnome with a few extra apps
[04:44] <deniz_ogut> DrCurl: Gnome libs (up to some level, I believe) don't give harm. The GIMP, being a gnome application comes as default with xubuntu, for example.
[04:45] <DrCurl> the gimp doesn't use gnome libs, only gtk
[04:45] <maxamillion> DrCurl: i run xfce on my work machine which is overpowered for even the weigth of gnome ... i just like xfce better ;) if you don't mind the slow down then use the applications you like :)
[04:45] <kalikiana> deniz_ogut, GIMP is Gtk, not gnome ;)
[04:45] <DrCurl> at least, on some sustem
[04:46] <DrCurl> maxamillion, yes, that is the way to look at things
[04:46] <maxamillion> :)
[04:46] <DrCurl> also, last thing, is there a cd ripper in xubuntu?
[04:47] <Catoptromancy> ripper X?
[04:47] <kalikiana> DrCurl, xfburn
[04:47] <kalikiana> By the way what are you guys using to burn cds/dvds?
[04:47] <TheSheep> grip
[04:48] <Catoptromancy> I like k3b
[04:48] <Catoptromancy> heh
[04:48] <Catoptromancy> youll never get the same answer
[04:48] <TheSheep> kalikiana: gravedigger is ok-ish
[04:48] <nopcode> cdrecord?
[04:48] <nopcode> ;)
[04:48] <DrCurl> kalikiana, cds
[04:48] <h3sp4wn> !info cdrecord feisty
[04:48] <ubotu> cdrecord: Dummy transition package for wodim. In component main, is optional. Version 9:1.1.2-1 (feisty), package size 1 kB, installed size 36 kB
[04:49] <h3sp4wn> cdrecord is not in feisty
[04:49] <nopcode> ah
[04:49] <nopcode> last time i burnt cds i used cdrecord
[04:49] <kalikiana> TheSheep, Got a link?
[04:49] <nopcode> after that only windows/nero
[04:49] <nopcode> because growisofs destroyed like 3-4 dvds
[04:49] <Catoptromancy> I think all my media software is KDE
[04:49] <TheSheep> !info gravedigger
[04:49] <TheSheep> !info graveman
[04:49] <ubotu> Package gravedigger does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[04:49] <TheSheep> sorry :)
[04:49] <ubotu> graveman: graphical tool to burn dvd and cd, gtk based. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.3.12-5-1 (feisty), package size 692 kB, installed size 2432 kB
[04:50] <Catoptromancy> mmm gtk burner
[04:50] <Catoptromancy> k3b was quite effective
[04:50] <kalikiana> TheSheep, So you meant graveman? That's what I'm currently using.
[04:50] <kalikiana> Just it's still a bit incomplete.
[04:50] <h3sp4wn> I think k3b is the best I have tried, but the last cd I burnt was with mkisofs and wodim
[04:50] <maxamillion> TheSheep: i recently heard somewhere that the graveman project stopped development ... you know if there is any truth to that?
[04:51] <kalikiana> Catoptromancy, Is gtkburner any good?
[04:51] <Catoptromancy> dunno
[04:51] <Catoptromancy> Ive only used k3b, no problems and easy to use
[04:52] <kalikiana> Arg, it needs gnome core libs.
[04:52] <Catoptromancy> didnt bother looking for another
[04:54] <Catoptromancy> !k3b
[04:54] <ubotu> k3b is a feature-rich and user-friendly burning application for KDE (and, as all KDE applications, works fine on GNOME). For a guide, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/K3BHowto
[04:56] <lysergide> Hello , i go some issues with changing cursor theme with xfce , someone know any decent guide how to do this ?
[04:58] <Catoptromancy> apllications > settings > mouse settings
[04:58] <Catoptromancy> theres a cursor tab
[04:58] <lysergide> cant change it from there
[04:59] <Catoptromancy> says you may need to restart PC for it to work
[04:59] <lysergide> i know
[04:59] <lysergide> i want to add new theme
[04:59] <lysergide> but cant do it @ all
[04:59] <DrCurl> kalikiana, xfburn really rip cds? can't find this info on the web
[04:59] <lysergide> installed gcursor too aswell but didnt work
[05:00] <Catoptromancy> how where they installed?
[05:01] <Catoptromancy> apt-get, downloading a .deb,  synaptic?
[05:01] <lysergide> apt-get
[05:01] <Catoptromancy> hmm dunno
[05:02] <lysergide> when i choose the new theme from "install new theme" its just happends nothing
[05:02] <maxamillion> !aptitude
[05:02] <ubotu> aptitude is another terminal-based front-end to APT, like apt-get. However, aptitude can remember the dependencies installed with a package and remove them if you uninstall. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptitudeSurvivalGuide
[05:03] <lysergide> tryed also with "go to theme folder" but it says "the location of file coud not be found"
[05:04] <maxamillion> lysergide: there isn't a theme installer in xubuntu
[05:04] <maxamillion> lysergide: you have to do it manually ... create a .theme directory and unpack the theme inside of that directory, it will then show up in your theme selections in the preferences window
[05:05] <lysergide> maxamillion k thx for the info ill give a shot now
[05:06] <maxamillion> lysergide: anytime :)
[05:09] <lysergide> maximillion hm dude i got lil problem with copyin the files into /.theme
[05:10] <maxamillion> lysergide: no no
[05:10] <maxamillion> lysergide: /home/<username>/.theme
[05:10] <lysergide> maximillion yep there i created that folder
[05:11] <maxamillion> lysergide: then copy the archive file over into the folder
[05:11] <lysergide> done ..
[05:11] <lysergide> now it shoud appear @ cursor manager ?
[05:14] <maxamillion> lysergide: oh ... the cursor manager? ... i dunno about that, i thought you were installing a gtk or a xfwm4 theme .... you can try, it might work
[05:14] <lysergide> tryed to install cursor theme ... but tnx for the info anyway :D
[05:20] <DrCurl> another question, suspend/hibernate work in xubuntu?
[05:21] <DrCurl> and doesn the cpu scales correctly as well, even without gnome-power-manager?
[05:23] <maxamillion> DrCurl: yes, but it depends on if your hardware is supported with acpi
[05:28] <DrCurl> ok
[06:26] <deniz_ogut> Hi dear friends! If I install OpenOffice, does it slow my xubuntu system when I am not running OpenOfice?
[06:26] <h3sp4wn> as long as you make sure the preloader thing for it is not running no
[06:27] <deniz_ogut> preloader thing?
[06:28] <h3sp4wn> I know only that one exists (I don't use openoffice ever)
[06:28] <michaelpo> hi, does the 3rd party driver feature and the multimedia codec feature in ubuntu only or does xubuntu have it as well?
[06:28] <deniz_ogut> h3sp4wn: Thanks a lot.
[06:28] <h3sp4wn> (loads parts of it into ram at startup so it appears to start faster)
[06:30] <deniz_ogut> michaelpo: xubuntu has it as well.
[06:30] <michaelpo> does xubuntu have the ubuntu 3rd party driver feature and the ubuntu multimedia codec feature?
[06:31] <michaelpo> deniz, hmm.. my xubuntu does not load the codecs... and cisco aironet 1bg wifi driver...
[06:31] <deniz_ogut> michaelpo: First I installed that package after system installation and VLC after that and I'm able to play almost all files.
[06:31] <deniz_ogut> michaelpo: wait a second please.
[06:31] <michaelpo> deniz_ogut: u mean need to install some package to get those features?
[06:32] <Merchelo> omg
[06:32] <deniz_ogut> michaelpo: yes. for sure. in ubuntu you have to do the same as well.
[06:33] <deniz_ogut> !codecs
[06:33] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[06:34] <michaelpo> deniz_ogut: oh... which package is it? it read it is default for ubuntu7.04... i'm not too sure about  xubuntu7.04.... i still have ubuntu6.10 on my p4 and xubuntu7.04 on my p2
[06:35] <michaelpo> sound is not working on my xubuntu7.04 p2
[06:35] <deniz_ogut> michaelpo: Applications > system > add/remove applications > Ubuntu restricted extras
[06:37] <deniz_ogut> michaelpo: If sound isn't working it should be some other problem. But maybe you are trying to play a restricted format, mp3 lets say, and because xubuntu doesn't play it without that package, you think that sound is not playing.
[06:38] <deniz_ogut> install Ubuntu restricted extras. But after that, you should also install some tool to play restricted formats as well. I use VLC. It plays almost all formats.
[06:38] <michaelpo> deniz_ogut: i'm playing the ogg files... it would play for 2 second then crash... computer lockedup
[06:39] <deniz_ogut> michaelpo: hmm. so it seems to be another problem. I am not that much technical. sorry, I don't know.
[06:40] <Ramla> xarchiver doesn't recognize tar archives in xubuntu. where do i file the report?
[06:40] <michaelpo> deniz_ogut: ok thanks... i'm not sure if it is locked up... but x exited to terminal... dont know how to get back to x... terminal cannot type anything...
[06:40] <michaelpo> it is the * running local boot    [ OK ] 
[06:41] <michaelpo> * checking battery state... [ OK ] 
[06:41] <deniz_ogut> michaelpo: Have you ever used any other GNU/Linux distro on your machine, with no problem with sound? Ubuntu, Kubuntu r something else?
[06:41] <michaelpo> i have used damnsmalllinux with sound on my p2...
[06:42] <michaelpo> oh
[06:43] <michaelpo> deniz_ogut: it is not locked up... i ctrl-alt-f3, then startx....
[06:43] <deniz_ogut> So, in my opinion you should solve the problem. Because I think xubuntu can recognize the hardware which dsl recognizes as well.
[06:43] <michaelpo> deniz_ogut: it is not locked up... i ctrl-alt-f3, loggedin... then startx....
[06:43] <h3sp4wn> Not necessarily (dsl uses 2.4)
[06:43] <michaelpo> deniz_ogut: the thing is i could not figure out how to solve that problem...
[06:44] <deniz_ogut> h3sp4wn can help better maybe. I am not that much "geek" !
[06:45] <deniz_ogut> googling your sound card and xubuntu may be helpfull.
[06:45] <deniz_ogut> searching forums for xubuntu sound (your sound card) may be useful.
[06:45] <michaelpo> deniz_ogut: oh no... i dont have to play any ogg sound files... i just started gxine, then 2 sec later... x crashed into terminal....
[06:46] <michaelpo> i have googled... nothing... i have forum... nothing...
[06:46] <deniz_ogut> maybe something with gxine is wrong.
[06:46] <Catoptromancy> gxine is buggy
[06:46] <Catoptromancy> I deleted it
[06:47] <Catoptromancy> sometimes total PC freezes
[06:47] <Catoptromancy> sometimes it just froze itself
[06:47] <deniz_ogut> why don't you try to install that restricted packages and VLC and try to play a file, an mp3 lets say via VLC?
[06:47] <Catoptromancy> Kaffeine is xine based and ive never had a problem
[06:48] <deniz_ogut> if you get sound it means that problem is not related with xubuntu&sound but with gxine.
[06:49] <michaelpo> ok... i will shutdown this p4... and loadup my p2 with xubuntu... holdon...
[06:52] <michaelpo> hello
[06:52] <deniz_ogut> hi again.
[06:54] <deniz_ogut> michaelpo: my machine is a very low end one and I didn't have such sound problems even with Ubuntu. and everything is perfect with xubuntu.
[06:55] <deniz_ogut> but remember: Add Ubuntu restricted extras first and then a tool to play the files. I prefer VLC.
[06:56] <michaelpo> another problem is... my shift keys are not working in xubuntu7.04
[06:57] <deniz_ogut> what about your keyboard settings?
[06:57] <deniz_ogut> what keyboard are you using?
[06:58] <deniz_ogut> My experience: During the very first installation of xubuntu, I preferred Turkish F keyboard -and it is not a very common one- and it works just as it should be.
[06:58] <michaelpo> usa keyboard
[06:59] <deniz_ogut> interesting. usa keyboard is the default one I think. But there may be kinds of USA keyboard, I don't know.
[06:59] <michaelpo> its acer travelmate 331t laptop... 10 years old.... p2... 4gb hdd.. 128mb ram
[07:00] <deniz_ogut> there might be USA 104 key, 105 key, etc.
[07:01] <deniz_ogut> for the keyboard I can't say anything. I don't know. But its weird why xubuntu does recognize the other keys but not the shift? I don't have a clue.
[07:03] <deniz_ogut> michaelpo: this may be useful for the settings: setting > settings manager > keyboard > layout
[07:05] <deniz_ogut> f not, maybe you should edit your xorg.config files. I've done it in Ubunhtu and got nice result but don't remember how to do. There are many hox tos for it.
[07:06] <michaelpo> deniz_ogut: ok... will search the howto
[07:06] <deniz_ogut> michaelpo: How about the sound problem?
[07:07] <michaelpo> i'm installing the restricted codec package now... what is the link again/
[07:08] <michaelpo> search found it
[07:08] <deniz_ogut> applications > system > add/remove > Ubuntu restricted
[07:09] <deniz_ogut> Ubuntu restricted extras
[07:09] <michaelpo> deniz_ogut: i dont have applications > system > add/remove
[07:09] <michaelpo> i dont have add/remove
[07:10] <michaelpo> i have other - package manager
[07:10] <deniz_ogut> at the uppermost, leftmost ... isn't there applications menu?
[07:10] <michaelpo> i have applications > system > synaptic\
[07:11] <michaelpo> i'm using 7.04, are you using too////
[07:11] <deniz_ogut> interesting there should be an add remove other than synaptics. let me see the synaptics. let me for a few minutes please.
[07:12] <deniz_ogut> yes xubuntu 7.04 Feisty.
[07:14] <deniz_ogut> michaelpo: Its the same in Synaptic: ubuntu-restricted-extras. You can install it via Synaptic as well.
[07:15] <michaelpo> deniz_ogut: thanks.. will do that now...
[07:15] <deniz_ogut> and install VLC after that package.
[07:39] <odat> if i have windows on a my second harddrive in my computer is there anyway to run windows inside a program/window on my linux side?
[07:39] <TheSheep> odat: yes, with qemu
[07:40] <TheSheep> !qemu | odat
[07:40] <ubotu> odat: qemu is an emulator you can use to run another operating system - see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WindowsXPUnderQemuHowTo
[07:40] <odat> TheSheep, is that the only program that will do it or just the best one
[07:40] <TheSheep> odat: there are many such emulators, but I know that qemu can use a real disk for sure -- never did it with other
[07:43] <odat> TheSheep, you remember that api mismatch problem i was having
[07:46] <TheSheep> odat: not really
[07:46] <TheSheep> gotta go, catch you later
[07:46] <deniz_ogut> Dear friends, can one of you try to view this page under xubuntu 7.04 and with the default Firefox browser? Can you view it? www.cankaya.gov.tr
[07:52] <deniz_ogut> the reason I ask for: I can't view it. But people with Firefox under some other OS say they can view and some other browser under some other OS views it as well. Can't you give a try for www.cankaya.gov.tr ?
[07:53] <predaeus> deniz_ogut, does not work here. also minimal content when shown in lynx
[07:53] <h3sp4wn> I can view the html version
[07:53] <h3sp4wn> (don't have flash installed)
[07:53] <predaeus> h3sp4wn, url? couldnt find it
[07:54] <predaeus> tried index.html and index.htm
[07:54] <h3sp4wn> www.cankaya.gov.tr
[07:54] <deniz_ogut> Dear friends, what do you advice? is it a bug?
[07:54] <h3sp4wn> http://www.cankaya.gov.tr/eng_html/index.html
[07:54] <deniz_ogut> Why Firefox under Win view it but not our version?
[07:55] <predaeus> thats all just blank white pages for me
[07:55] <predaeus> i can get the index.html with lynx or wget though. really weird
[07:55] <deniz_ogut> yes its blank white for me too.
[07:56] <deniz_ogut> its the Presidential Web site of turkey. I am planning to warn Presidential guys that their system is out ou standards but Win Firefoxers can view it. What to do?
[08:05] <lysergide> it is probably 100% flash and u mb need 32bit fx with flash player installed
[08:06] <deniz_ogut> lysergide: Thanks for the tip.
[08:07] <lysergide> im not 100% sure ... thats just my opinion , athorwise it coud be some kind of a bug too
[08:07] <h3sp4wn> Its not 100% flash (or I wouldn't have been able to find the above)_
[08:09] <lysergide> well i got some issues with opening some flash pages because i dont have chroot with 32bit fx , thats why i thought its full flash ...
[08:12] <h3sp4wn> I don't have flash at all but could open that page
[08:12] <lysergide> y well thats weird ...
[08:12] <h3sp4wn> (I am going through squid though - dunno whether that makes a difference)
[08:16] <predaeus> firefox flashblox should show a box then I think
[08:16] <predaeus> *block
[08:16] <deniz_ogut> h3sp4wn: How can you view it? I mean can you tell some about your xubuntu and firefox spesifications/settings?
[08:17] <h3sp4wn> deniz_ogut: Nothing different other than it goes thru squid
[08:19] <deniz_ogut> interesting.
[08:26] <deniz_ogut> By the way, I have Flash Player installed. Version 9.0.31.0; you know the one for Linux.
[08:29] <deniz_ogut> can it be that way: You can view some of it with no Flash Player. You can't view anything with Flash Player 9. Maybe you can view it with Flash Player 7 lets say, but it doesn't exist for Linux. If you use Firefox under some other OS with Flash Player 7, you can view.... Can it be?
[08:55] <Catoptromancy> is there a command I can run that logs the terminal?
[09:04] <deniz_ogut> Catoptromancy: What logs?
[09:08] <Catoptromancy> something that prints termianl output to a text file
[09:09] <kalikiana> Catoptromancy, What about 'somecommand > log.txt'?
[09:10] <Catoptromancy>  netstat logged.txt
[09:10] <Catoptromancy> I dont see any txt fiels
[09:10] <Catoptromancy> files
[09:11] <Catoptromancy> it ran netstat but didnt make a txt
[09:11] <Ramla> it should create the file in the working directory
[09:11] <Catoptromancy> ill try again
[09:13] <Catoptromancy> arch logfile.txt
[09:13] <Catoptromancy> even simple ones dont do anything
[09:14] <Ramla> arch > logfile.txt
[09:14] <Catoptromancy> even named log.txt
[09:17] <Catoptromancy> cool
[09:17] <Catoptromancy> doesnt print terminal
[09:18] <Catoptromancy> but it puts it in the log
[09:18] <Catoptromancy> thx
[09:29] <tuxcrafter> colinlero
[09:29] <tuxcrafter> are you there
[09:29] <tuxcrafter> y
[09:32] <Merchelo> hello
[09:46] <tuxcrafter> hello
[09:47] <kalikiana_> hi tuxcrafter
[09:47] <tuxcrafter> hi
[09:48] <kalikiana_> hi rhavenn2
[09:56] <Whamazoom> Will easy ubuntu work on Xubuntu?
[09:56] <tuxcrafter> i have to go now guys
[09:56] <tuxcrafter> Whamazoom: i dont now the answer sorry
[09:56] <tuxcrafter> maybe you can try installing it with xubuntu live cd
[09:57] <tuxcrafter> changes are it will work
[09:57] <tuxcrafter> xubuntu has the same configuration system als ubuntu
[09:57] <Merchelo> yeah, easyubuntu works fine with xubuntu
[09:57] <tuxcrafter> only xfce instead of gnome
[09:57] <Ramla> To me it looks like there's nothing that would go wrong on xfce in the overview: http://easyubuntu.freecontrib.org/overview.html
[09:57] <Whamazoom> ahh, b/c I just install ubuntu last night....and its too slow on this laptop... gonna give X a try
[09:57] <h3sp4wn> Is it necessary with the new codec support in feisty ?
[09:58] <h3sp4wn> (and the enable restricted drivers)
[09:58] <Whamazoom> Dunno, I couldnt figure out how to get Mplayer to get all the necessary codecs
[09:58] <h3sp4wn> I built it from source
[09:58] <Whamazoom> I did an apt-get install mplayer* and It gave me errors about video_out (-vo)
[09:59] <h3sp4wn> (only use the w64codecs from the mplayer site )
[09:59] <tuxcrafter> i am going bye
[09:59] <Ramla> http://medibuntu.sos-sts.com/ you need these repositories for some codecs
[09:59] <Ramla> Hmm, looks like it's down..
[09:59] <Whamazoom> i tried a wget with that url and it told me there was no such URL
[09:59] <Whamazoom> oh its down.... thats prolly why
[10:00] <Whamazoom> becuase I had to use XMMS to play .mp3 and .m3u, but Movie player for .avi, and .wmv, and Mplayer didnt work at all lol!
[10:00] <h3sp4wn> My mplayer has played everything I have tried
[10:00] <h3sp4wn> (without w32codecs)
[10:01] <Ramla> It's likely that mplayer's default video out driver is not the best suitable for your configuration
[10:01] <Whamazoom> hmm
[10:01] <h3sp4wn> just specify one then
[10:01] <Whamazoom> how so?
[10:01] <Ramla> I'm using xv
[10:01] <Whamazoom> I looked in the preferences of Mplayer and didnt find anything of use
[10:02] <h3sp4wn> mplayer -vo <tab> (at least works for zsh)
[10:03] <Whamazoom> Couldnt I just install gstreamer* and get ALL codecS?
[10:03] <Whamazoom> or doesnt it have a few?
[10:04] <Whamazoom> basically all I need is .aac, .mp3, .divx, .xvid, and ac3 audio codecs
[10:04] <Ramla> http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu:Feisty#How_to_install_Multimedia_Codecs tried that?
[10:05] <Ramla> at least w32codecs needs the medibuntu repository
[10:05] <Whamazoom> yea I looked at that, and the other one about "non-free" codecs....but it only tells you how to install .mp3 support for Amorok...
[10:07] <Whamazoom> so I can just type this "sudo apt-get install ubuntu-restricted-extras libxine-extracodecs gstreamer0.10-plugins-base gstreamer0.10-plugins-good \
[10:07] <Whamazoom> gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad gstreamer0.10-pitfdll"
[10:07] <Whamazoom> then apt-get install w32codecs
[10:07] <Whamazoom> ?
[10:08] <Whamazoom> Im sorry if I am dumb about this stuff...
[10:09] <Ramla> Yeah, and have multiverse/universe repos enabled and that medibuntu
[10:09] <Ramla> I'm not an experienced user either, but I've done this a few times now
[10:09] <Ramla> All on different ubuntu versions though, so I don't have any routine
[10:10] <Whamazoom> well woudl Easyubuntu take care of all that codec stuff for me?
[10:10] <Ramla> If there's an easyubuntu version for feisty, sure
[10:10] <Ramla> You are using feisty, no?
[10:10] <Whamazoom> 7.04
[10:10] <Ramla> Yep
[10:11] <Whamazoom> cool
[10:11] <Whamazoom> that should take some of the headache out of it
[10:57] <cellofellow> I set the root password on one of my computers a while ago. How do I get it back to being passwordless?
[10:58] <TheSheep> cellofellow: passwd -l
[10:58] <cellofellow> ok
[10:59] <TheSheep> cellofellow: man passwd for detail
[11:17] <Whamazoom> How do you kill an app? Mozilla froze up after I went to youtube
[11:26] <TheSheep> Whamazoom: there is a process manager in the system menu
[11:26] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: you run k3b?
[11:26] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: np
[11:26] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: no
[11:27] <hyper_ch> it doesn't work anymore on feisty....
[11:40] <kalikiana__> Whamazoom, 'killall appname' kills every running instance of a program. This is useful when a program blocks the system.
[11:41] <seren> how did you guys configure thunar to mount hard disks with gnome-mount? im on ubuntu right now, but i run gentoo also and would like to use this feature.
[11:41] <adam0509> hahahaha its the problem
[11:41] <adam0509> there was a nice program called "disks-admin" in dapper...
[11:42] <seren> adam0509, what you getting t ;)
[11:42] <seren> s/t/at
[11:43] <adam0509> they removed it
[11:44] <seren> adam0509, well how does thunar mount media?
[11:44] <seren> in fiesty
[11:44] <adam0509> xfce4-mount-plugin ?
[11:44] <seren> look here
[11:44] <seren> http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=4kw30ci
[11:45] <adam0509> err....
[11:45] <seren> its using gnome-mount 0.5 but how, this is something i would like to do in gentoo
[11:45] <adam0509> in fact you should'nt mix gnome and XFCE
[11:46] <seren> hmm?
[11:46] <seren> im not
[11:47] <adam0509> gnome-mount is a nautilus extension
[11:47] <adam0509> http://packages.ubuntu.com/feisty/gnome/gnome-mount
[11:47] <seren> im uains thunar in gnome, but i dont runn gnome really this is just a test install of fiesty and i happend to install thunar and saw this "feature": thats not in my gentoo install
[11:47] <seren> uains/using
[11:48] <adam0509> In fact, in XFCE you should use xfce4-mount-plugin and add it to XFCE4-PANEL
[11:48] <seren> the question is how is thunar using it
[11:48] <adam0509> I don't think you should ask this question here :)
[11:48] <adam0509> Ubuntu is for beginers remember
[11:49] <adam0509> see #xfce #xfce4 or #gentoo
[11:49] <seren> this is on /topic
[11:49] <seren> but if you want to take it to #xfce that would be nice
[11:49] <seren> ot #thunar really
[11:49] <kalikiana__> This is not only a beginners channel, adam0509 ;)
[11:50] <seren> kalikiana__, =)
[11:50] <seren> no. #gentoo is
[11:50] <seren> O_o
[11:50] <Jester45> adam0509: is this anything xubuntu related not just beginners
[11:50] <adam0509> if you said it...
[11:50] <kalikiana__> Xubuntu is not Windows Vista, remember! :P
[11:50] <seren> well adam0509 your claming this is a bug right?
[11:51] <seren> claiming
[11:51] <adam0509> then http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=415892
[11:51] <seren> if so lets get this bug added to the features list
[11:51] <adam0509> mm ?
[11:51] <seren> adam0509, ?
[11:52] <seren> adam0509, compile the kernel your self
[11:52] <adam0509> this is not a bug, thunar and nautilus shares same library
[11:52] <adam0509> seren => i'd like too
[11:52] <adam0509> but I'm too noob
[11:53] <seren> "in fact you should'nt mix gnome and XFCE"
[11:53] <adam0509> I never suceeded in adding nvidia-legacy driver in a custom kernel
[11:53] <seren> =/
[11:53] <seren> you didnt try hard enough
[11:55] <adam0509> I don't wanna try enough
[11:55] <adam0509> they should make a rather simple kernel maker like :
[11:55] <adam0509> "select your computer"
[11:56] <adam0509> "desktop or portable"
[11:56] <adam0509> "select your motherboard from list"
[11:56] <TheSheep> adam0509: and then follows a list of 625463983221093248398934 possible configurations XD
[11:56] <seren> yea
[11:56] <seren> at least
[11:56] <adam0509> "select cards you like to install"
[11:56] <adam0509> etc...
[11:56] <adam0509> that could be nice
[11:56] <seren> its easy
[11:56] <seren> make menuconfig does most of that ;X
[11:57] <adam0509> 300000 modules and configs :/
[11:57] <seren> =/
[11:57] <seren> i use a static kernel
[11:57] <TheSheep> adam0509: that's just because one module handles multiple devices, with your suggestion there would be much more
[11:58] <adam0509> much more what..?
[11:58] <TheSheep> adam0509: choices
[11:58] <TheSheep> adam0509: in menus
[11:58] <seren> kalikiana__, i think gnome-volume-manager has something to do with it, but i cant find out whats linking thunar to it
[11:59] <adam0509> no because choosing your motherboard from a list will take most modules and delete all the unecessesary module
[11:59] <seren> adam0509, what about oem boxes
[11:59] <adam0509> for example : P3C2000 (my old motherboard) don't have RAID, ATA USB2 etc...
[12:00] <adam0509> oem boxes ?
[12:00] <TheSheep> adam0509: but why do you need a custom-build kernel at all?
[12:00] <seren> dell
[12:00] <seren> hp
[12:00] <seren> laptops
[12:00] <seren> thats like 3000 systems
[12:00] <seren> with 9000000 configurations
[12:01] <seren> then you have custom made boxes with add on sound video and raid or etc etc
[12:01] <adam0509> errr, I'm not talking about making this at start
[12:01] <adam0509> I'm talking about making a GTK+/GTK2 app
[12:01] <seren> make xconfig
[12:01] <adam0509> like a menuconfig but for noobs
[12:02] <TheSheep> adam0509: noobs can use the provided kernel
[12:02] <seren> thats what the ubuntu kernel does
[12:02] <adam0509> and that would automatiquely download packages
[12:02] <seren> your trying to reinvent the wheel but the wheel is working very nice
[12:02] <adam0509> I don't think so
[12:03] <seren> i think yo should read some kernel compiling guides
[12:03] <adam0509> Even If I know my computer by heart I can build my own kernel, that's a shame
[12:03] <seren> you will then see how easy it is
[12:03] <adam0509> I already read about 5-6 articles
[12:03] <seren> well if its not the operation its the .....
[12:03] <TheSheep> "even when I know how my girlfriend looks like by heart, I can't paint her picture, that's a shame"
[12:04] <adam0509> still didn't understood how to
[12:04] <adam0509> guys, how many times you use Linux ?
[12:04] <TheSheep> times?
[12:04] <seren> 24/7 3 years minus at public places friends or school ...
[12:04] <TheSheep> adam0509: how do you count that?
[12:04] <seren> with wc
[12:05] <TheSheep> seren: wc on what?
[12:05] <seren> lol
[12:05] <TheSheep> seren: last?
[12:05] <seren> in fact you should'nt mix gnome and XFCE
[12:05] <seren> LOL
[12:05] <seren> anyways
[12:05] <adam0509> I use GNU/Linux since 10 months
[12:05] <seren> last | wc
[12:06] <seren> 40     383    2964
[12:06] <seren> this is a new istall ;X
[12:06] <TheSheep> shame it's capped
[12:06] <adam0509> If you want a clean install with less Mb used, yes you should mix gnome and xfce...
[12:06] <seren> Mb?
[12:06] <adam0509> should'nt*
[12:06] <adam0509> MegaBytes
[12:06] <seren> i have a lot of mb;s
[12:07] <adam0509> Well that's good for you...
[12:07] <TheSheep> adam0509: in fact that's not true
[12:07] <adam0509> add KDE then :D
[12:07] <seren> like xfce gnome kde and e17 in one install
[12:07] <TheSheep> adam0509: if you want clean install with less space used, install slack
[12:07] <adam0509> na, too complicated
[12:07] <seren> or use cryptcompress
[12:07] <adam0509> even DSL is a little too complicated for me for now
[12:07] <TheSheep> lol!
[12:07] <TheSheep> last[sheep@atos ~] $ last | wc 168795 1581636 12997100
[12:08] <seren> haha
[12:08] <TheSheep> took a while
[12:08] <seren> TheSheep, imma boot to my gentoo boxen brb
[12:09] <TheSheep> actually I'm cheating, I'm not the only oser :)
[12:09] <TheSheep> user
[12:12] <TheSheep> hi max
[12:12] <maxamillion> hello
[12:12] <TheSheep> adam0509: what do you actually need that custom kernel for?
[12:13] <adam0509> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=415892
[12:13] <adam0509> but i installed a Debian with 2.6.18
[12:15] <TheSheep> adam0509: he gave you links to ready compiled kernels...
[12:15] <MDM222> I tried installing Xubuntu on a Panasonic CF-48 laptop but it lockups during the install when it gets to the Checking File System part anyone know what the problem could be? It installed and worked fine before with Edgy Xubuntu but not Feisty.
[12:19] <TheSheep> MDM222: maybe Bug #83831
[12:19] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 83831 in upstart "Boot failed to complete after fsck" [Critical,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83831
[12:21] <MDM222> Thanks TheSheep, this is from a downloaded ISO and fresh install though. Didn't upgrade from Edgy to Feisty.
[12:22] <MDM222> Wondering whether my ISO is damaged maybe?
[12:22] <Jester45> MDM222: baddownload?
[12:22] <kalikiana> !md5 | MDM222
[12:22] <ubotu> MDM222: To verify your Ubuntu ISO image (or other files for which an MD5 checksum is provided), see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/VerifyIsoHowto or http://www.linuxquestions.org/linux/answers/LQ_ISO/Checking_the_md5sum_in_Windows
[12:23] <MDM222> thanks kalikiana will check that
[12:23] <Jester45> anyone know why my dual head one uses one screen at a time
[12:23] <Jester45> Screen 1 is only useing F1-6 and screen 2 uses only F7
[12:23] <maxamillion> Jester45: your Xorg isn't setup right
[12:24] <Jester45> maxamillion: could you help
[12:24] <Jester45> i dont want X on the first screen
[12:24] <Jester45> i just want them both to run at the same time
[12:25] <Jester45> could be it that one is useing the radeon driver and the other uses ati?