[12:14] <intelikey>  /dev/dsp is there according to your pastebin    382 crw-rw---- 1 root audio  14, 3 2007-05-07 16:04 /dev/dsp
[12:14] <NOT_guru> question ( new to linux )  does compiz / beryl work in KDE ( kubuntu )
[12:15] <wayl> s
[12:15] <NOT_guru> and is it a pain to do in kubuntu?   ubuntu was far too easy to switch to beryl
[12:15] <intelikey> compilerwriter note you might need to hit the space bar before a line wiht / at the beginning....
[12:16] <intelikey> irc clients use / as command indicator
[12:16] <intelikey> !compiz | NOT_guru
[12:16] <ubotu> NOT_guru: Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[12:16] <ijacek> Beryl work on ubuntu :) or kubuntu
[12:16] <intelikey> !beryl | NOT_guru
[12:16] <ubotu> NOT_guru: Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[12:17] <intelikey> compilerwriter  ?
[12:18] <compilerwriter> no noise intelikey
[12:18] <NOT_guru> thankyou intelikey,  my question was more geared towards ease of install  but I will read up tonight as I prefer KDE
[12:18] <NOT_guru> thanks anyways
[12:18] <intelikey> compilerwriter was the error message a typo  ?
[12:18] <NOT_guru> try to have a good eve all
[12:18] <compilerwriter> intelikey I must have made a typo to get the error message
[12:18] <intelikey> ok.
[12:20] <patricia> hi
[12:20] <wayl> paraflejix
[12:20] <intelikey> compilerwriter   you can  run the white noise generator again and while it runs check  speaker wiring/power/volume    it should be outputing  according to the pastebin.    maybe something is muted.    notice that the  "PCM" is the device you are using there.     so check it's volume setting and the master
[12:20] <patricia> un canal spanish?
[12:21] <wayl> patricia #kubuntu-es
[12:21] <wayl> ahi me mandaron a mi
[12:21] <juanfran> no tas mal
[12:21] <ubuntu> !sp
[12:21] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about sp - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:21] <intelikey> compilerwriter make sure nothing has unplugged the speakers..    (assumes external speakers)
[12:21] <ubuntu> !fr
[12:21] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[12:21] <juanfran> no funciona ese canal
[12:21] <wayl> juanfran
[12:21] <patricia> gracias willi
[12:22] <ubuntu> What are the initials for spanish
[12:22] <ubuntu> ???
[12:22] <LjL> !es
[12:22] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[12:22] <ubuntu> haha ^
[12:22] <ubuntu> thx ^^
[12:22] <ubuntu> im not spanish <33 but anyways
[12:22] <patricia> kubuntu-es
[12:22] <LjL> or you could just type
[12:22] <LjL> !spanish
[12:22] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[12:22] <ubuntu> =/
[12:22] <intelikey> es = EspaAol  @ ubuntu
[12:22] <compilerwriter> intelikey kmix I get noise when i move the sliders.
[12:22] <compilerwriter> speakers are connected.
[12:23] <compilerwriter> I have turned everything up on output intelikey.  I should be blasted out by now I would think.
[12:24] <intelikey> compilerwriter ok you can kill the "white noise generator,"   and adjust the kmix.  then in system settings > sound*   make the output is alsa and restart the sound system.
[12:25] <intelikey> s/sound system/sound server/
[12:25] <compilerwriter> In the switches I turned on the the 3d control switch.  Now I seem to have some white noise.
[12:25] <intelikey> you are getting there.    keep playing with it.  you'll get it the way you want it.
[12:26] <compilerwriter> though it appears to just be white noise from the speakers themselves as I still have it with the generator turned off.
[12:27] <compilerwriter> I selected ALSA instead of autodetect.
[12:27] <intelikey> yes
[12:27] <compilerwriter> Then when I hit reply it restarted the sound generator.
[12:27] <intelikey> no there should be a button
[12:27] <intelikey> to "restart the sound server"
[12:28] <intelikey> or check box.
[12:28] <intelikey> i'm not looking at it.  just running on RAM
[12:28] <ijacek> !cz
[12:28] <ubotu> esk uivatele dme, aby mluvili v kanle #ubuntu anglicky. esky je mono se domluvit v #ubuntu-cz. Dkujeme.
[12:28] <compilerwriter> It restarts it when you hit the apply button intelikey.  A little box pops up and says it is restarting it.
[12:28] <compilerwriter> I got a progress bar and everything.
[12:29] <intelikey> compilerwriter also you can use the other tab in that window to  "test" the sound server
[12:30] <mike__908> Could someone tell me the diffrences between haskell and clean?
[12:30] <intelikey> compilerwriter ok.   you are probably using a newer version than i have seen.
[12:30] <compilerwriter> intelikey the test button yielded no sound.
[12:30] <intelikey> compilerwriter hmmm.
[12:31] <compilerwriter> I am 34% of the way through the feisty iso download.  I am getting perturbed by this.
[12:32] <ubuntu> is there some driver to enable the 5.1 speaker in ubuntu?
[12:33] <DerekS> does anyone know how to convert gaim logs to kopete logs?
[12:33] <compilerwriter> DerekS I have no clue how one would do that.  I use gaim anyway.
[12:33] <DerekS> compilerwriter: :)
[12:33] <DerekS> i odn't feel like writing a parser
[12:34] <DerekS> what do you use instead of beagle?
[12:34] <compilerwriter> I have never used beagle.  What is it?
[12:34] <ubuntu> Can we download photoshop for kubuntu or i have to run it with wine?
[12:34] <DerekS> desktop search
[12:34] <compilerwriter> ubuntu you would have to do it with wine if you can't do what you need to with the gimp I suppose.
[12:35] <intelikey> hmmmm compilerwriter you don't have a   crw-rw---- 1 root audio 116, 4 May  1 02:40 /dev/snd/hwC0D0      not sure you need it with that hard ware, but it is a point you can test.      beyond that i'm at a loss...    if you can find crimsun or nalioth   one of them might be able to put a fingure on it for you.
[12:35] <ubuntu> a dont like gimp =(
[12:35] <ubuntu> DO NOT WANT
[12:35] <ubuntu> lol
[12:35] <ubuntu> anyway
[12:36] <compilerwriter> What are you proposing intelikey?
[12:36] <intelikey> compilerwriter if you talk to either of them.  point them to that pastebin...
[12:37] <intelikey> proposing    sudo mknod /dev/snd/hwC0D0 c 116 4
[12:37] <intelikey> and restart the sound server.
[12:37] <compilerwriter> ok made it now how do I restart the sound server from konsole?
[12:38] <compilerwriter> man mknod
[12:38] <intelikey> i'm sure they will want at least that information   <http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/19698/plain/>
[12:38] <RawSewage> I installed Ubuntu on my Kubuntu to test it.  Now how do I uninstall ubuntu-desktop
[12:39] <verma> how do I make sure that whenever I start an application it always start at a different desktop .. lets say like desktop 4
[12:40] <RawSewage> anyone know how I can uninstall ubuntu-desktop
[12:41] <intelikey> verma start the app.  then in the upper left corner click the little icon > advanced settings > something....   at the bottom of that menu.
[12:41] <intelikey> RawSewage sudo apt-get remove gconf*
[12:41] <verma> intelikey, alright .. let me check that
[12:41] <RawSewage> intelikey, ty
[12:42] <intelikey> RawSewage i'm not sure it will get all the apps/libs   but it will get darn'd close
[12:42] <RawSewage> ok
[12:43] <intelikey> might want to follow up with deborphan
[12:43] <RawSewage> I wonder why  sudo apt-get remove ubuntu-desktop doesnt work
[12:43] <galathalion> anyone got a nice apache-howto? ;)
[12:43] <RawSewage> never heard of deborphan.  I'll try that
[12:43] <intelikey> cause it's only a meta package.  all it does is depends on all the stuff.  so removing it removes onlt the meta package RawSewage
[12:43] <RawSewage> ok
[12:46] <sayers> Where do I get the "MAD Mp3 decoding library" for K3B
[12:47] <RawSewage> what does that code do
[12:47] <intelikey> !libmad0
[12:47] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about libmad0 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:47] <vbgunz> I have to reinstall Windows. I know for a fact this is going to destroy grub. How do I recover? is there a good link on the process?
[12:48] <intelikey> loops over removing anything deborphan reports as no longer needed
[12:48] <RawSewage> should I use that to help remove Ubuntu
[12:48] <intelikey> !grub | vbgunz
[12:48] <ubotu> vbgunz: grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[12:48] <vbgunz> intelikey: thank you very much!
[12:49] <stdin> hidie-ho all
[12:49] <ijacek> !Beryl
[12:49] <ubotu> Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[12:49] <intelikey> !find libmad | sayers
[12:49] <ubotu> sayers: Found: libmad0, libmad0-dev, libmad-ocaml, libmad-ocaml-dev
[12:49] <ijacek> !shutdown
[12:49] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about shutdown - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:50] <intelikey> sayers not real sure if one of those is what you need or not.   see the infonode on mp3 also
[12:54] <MonaLeilani> Hi, I'm having problems with Kdevelop
[12:54] <compilerwriter> crimsun are you around
[12:54] <MonaLeilani> I have a .cpp file for CS class I need to run
[12:54] <MonaLeilani> but it won't let me run it, it's complaining about automake and friends and such
[12:55] <intelikey> !be | MonaLeilani
[12:55] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about be - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:55] <intelikey> !b-e | MonaLeilani
[12:55] <ubotu> MonaLeilani: Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[12:55] <MonaLeilani> Dev-C++ never gave me such problems
[12:55] <stdin> MonaLeilani: sound like you need automake and autoconf installed
[12:56] <aaron> im trying to install ubuntu to my alienware area51 m5500 and i get the error: screens found but none have a usuable configuration? can someone please help me
[12:56] <MonaLeilani> ah
[12:56] <Daisuke_Ido> this is NOT my month.
[12:56] <compilerwriter> ctcp naliaoth time
[12:56] <Alen> I dl'd 64bit Kubuntu V7.04 burnt the ISO, and it keeps freezing when I try to install it, when it loads all I see is a small mouse cursor and a light blue screen and it does not move forward from that screen. And the whole setup takes a good 20 minutes to get too, it runs very slow if anyone has an answer please PM me or answer here
[12:56] <stdin> aaron: try reconfiguring the X server "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"
[12:56] <intelikey> !b-e | MonaLeilani if you install build-essential as this page would explain
[12:56] <ubotu> MonaLeilani if you install build-essential as this page would explain: Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[12:57] <Daisuke_Ido> this is what i get to holding on to hard drives for as long as i do
[12:57] <aaron> ok ill try brb...
[12:57] <MonaLeilani> okay, will do that
[12:57] <Daisuke_Ido> 200gb's dying on me :\  fortunately i got everything off of it.  barely.  required a lot of burning and shuffling :(
[12:57] <intelikey> Daisuke_Ido what are you on about ?
[12:58] <Daisuke_Ido> hard drives and their ephemeral nature :(
[12:58] <MonaLeilani> once I install it, what else do I do?
[12:58] <compilerwriter> nalioth are you about?
[12:58] <intelikey> MonaLeilani try what you were doing again.
[12:59] <Daisuke_Ido> good news: payday's friday, and i can get a good deal on a 500gb drive
[12:59] <intelikey> compilerwriter might ask in their regular hang-out   #ubuntu   as well
[12:59] <kristjan_> theoretical question - will installing feisty beta and then updating it result in same system as installing feisty final version?
[01:00] <intelikey> kristjan_ theoretical answer,  yes
[01:00] <aaroncampbell> I'm on Kubuntu Feisty (7.04), and java can't seem to see my print service.  Has anyone else had this problem?  I get "No Print Service Found." when I try to print.  I tried in jedit and Zend Studio.  I also tried using Sun Java 5 from the repos, and the java that comes with Zend Studio.  Any Ideas?
[01:00] <MonaLeilani> "There is no makefile in this directory and no configure script for this project. Run automake and friends and configure first?"
[01:00] <kristjan_> intelikey: and what about dist-upgrade?
[01:01] <nalioth> compilerwriter: hi
[01:02] <intelikey> kristjan_ actual answer to your hypothetical Q,  if you upgrade both with the same repos enabled they should turn out the same system
[01:02] <compilerwriter> hello nalioth.
[01:02] <MonaLeilani> ::gnashes teeth:: and I was told kdevelop was the best to use..
[01:02] <compilerwriter> intelikey says you may be able to solve my sound issues
[01:02] <kristjan_> intelikey: so there is absolutely no reason to prefer clean install over upgrading edgy?
[01:03] <N6REJ> evening all
[01:03] <compilerwriter> nalioth http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/19698/
[01:03] <MonaLeilani> I almost want to pay $30 for MS C++ Express Edition
[01:03] <intelikey> kristjan_ that was not mentioned in your theory above ^
[01:03] <intelikey> kristjan_  "<kristjan_> theoretical question - will installing feisty beta and then" <<< edgy not mentioned.
[01:04] <compilerwriter> nalioth my sound is kaputt and intelikey swears that you can fix it.
[01:04] <kristjan_> I could think of one reason why I would like feisty clean install - to try out jfs (filesystem)
[01:04] <nalioth> people who swear aren't very social  :P
[01:04] <MonaLeilani> I installed kdevelop and all its dependencies and then I installed build_essential and it's still doing the same thing
[01:04] <intelikey> :)
[01:04] <MonaLeilani> I just want to execute a simple program, not configure the crap out of it
[01:05] <s0undt3ch> hello ppl
[01:05] <Alonea> jlilly: hello again. Have you finished downloading the file yet and had a chance to try it?
[01:05] <MonaLeilani> anyone? someone?
[01:05] <intelikey> MonaLeilani the message you last posted was that the app was instructing you to run "automake" and configure something.... have you even tried what the app said do ?
[01:06] <s0undt3ch> I installed network-manager-openvpn, I see the submenu but that does not open anything
[01:06] <MonaLeilani> Yes
[01:06] <nalioth> compilerwriter: i suggest you wait until crimsun is active.  i don't see anything there.
[01:06] <stdin> MonaLeilani: if you just want to compile something simple, just use gcc on the command line
[01:06] <MonaLeilani> It just added a lot of files to the directory and then did nothing
[01:06] <MonaLeilani> gcc?
[01:06] <compilerwriter> thanks nalioth
[01:06] <MonaLeilani> I'
[01:06] <MonaLeilani> ll try it
[01:07] <intelikey> MonaLeilani yes gcc   which kdevelope and build-essential both depend on.     gcc = the Gnu C Compiler
[01:08] <MonaLeilani> hmm, weird
[01:08] <MonaLeilani> this file worked in dev-c++ on windows
[01:09] <intelikey> back in  10111110   or there about.
[01:09] <MonaLeilani> Meh.. looks like I have to go back to school
[01:10] <MonaLeilani> It's complaining about the namespace.. meh.
[01:13] <Daisuke_Ido> time to run
[01:14] <MonaLeilani> hmm
[01:14] <MonaLeilani> there's gcc and g++
[01:14] <MonaLeilani> does gcc only do c files?
[01:15] <vbgunz> I keep getting an error from trying to print a page from Konqueror direct to PDF. Where can I post an image?
[01:15] <MonaLeilani> I know c++ is c with formal object and class stuff
[01:15] <sayers> I LIKE JAVA
[01:15] <stdin> MonaLeilani: gcc will do c++
[01:16] <stdin> MonaLeilani: as long as you have g++ installed (I think)
[01:16] <MonaLeilani> heh
[01:16] <MonaLeilani> g++ wasn't installed
[01:16] <MonaLeilani> sayers: me too, I learned Java first and now I'm learning c++ :O
[01:16] <stdin> MonaLeilani: doesn't build essential-install that?
[01:16] <MonaLeilani> Not sure, lemme check
[01:17] <sayers> I have to learn it myself, not in highschool yet. And even if I was they are teaching VB [which sucks]  and VB sucks. Plus VB just plain sucks and will not help at all in the real market.
[01:17] <stdin> MonaLeilani: yeah, build-essential depends on g++
[01:17] <sayers> It teaches you poor concepts and bad syntax-es
[01:18] <vbgunz> I cannot print to PDF. anyone know why?
[01:18] <MonaLeilani> heh
[01:21] <Alonea> vbgunz: wait, print to pdf? as in convert to PDF? which program?
[01:21] <andrewkk> i think i'm going to go crazy. why do my iwconfig settings not last more than a minute or two?
[01:21] <vbgunz> Alonea: I have Konqueror open. I then print to PDF *but* it never goes through.
[01:21] <biovore> if you app uses the kde print subsystem.. you can print to a pdf, its just a different printer.
[01:22] <lettuce> hello
[01:22] <khaije1> that's a standard feature in kde
[01:22] <lettuce> I need to mount my other partitions. what whould I do?
[01:22] <sayers> Are ther any super cool Presentations made for advertising why linux is better. Presentations are OpenOffices Power Point\
[01:22] <Alonea> vbgunz: well, don't know much about that, but OpenOffice will export to a PDF directly. I think KOffice does too.
[01:23] <vbgunz> I am trying to print out a page on the ubuntu wiki on grub
[01:23] <stdin> !mount | lettuce
[01:23] <ubotu> lettuce: Partitioning programs: !GParted or QTParted (also "man mkfs" for formatting) - Mounting partitions in Kubuntu, go to System Settings -> Advanced Tab -> Disks & Filesystem. See also !fstab and !DiskMounter
[01:23] <khaije1> they use different libs (I think) so even if one does work tey the another
[01:24] <Alonea> vbgunz: ok...but pdf isn't a printer, its a file format. I thought print to pdf would made a pdf of the webpage.
[01:24] <vbgunz> if I print to postscript, it's ok BUT trying to print to PDF does not work. I'll post the error: Abnormal process termination (gs -q -dSAFER -dPARANOIDSAFER -dNOPAUSE -dBATCH -sDEVICE=pdfwrite -sOutputFile=$out{/home/victor/print.pdf} -sPAPERSIZE=a4 -c .setpdfwrite -f '/tmp/kde-victor/kdeprint_5O0CIbQ8' ).
[01:25] <DerekS> so what does everyone here use for desktop search
[01:25] <ciacon_> hi there... where can I find a guide howto install tor?
[01:26] <MonaLeilani> screw it, I'm going back to Netbeans
[01:27] <Alonea> vbgunz: ah, ok. you didn't say there was an error so I was confused as to what you were talking about. Also, just in case anyone complains or if you didn't know, large pastes goto http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org.
[01:27] <lettuce> !diskmounter
[01:27] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions - See also !fuse
[01:27] <Daisuke_Ido> is ext2 suitable for use with media storage?
[01:27] <vbgunz> hmm, unchecking everything under the HTML tab before printing to PDF seems to work
[01:28] <Daisuke_Ido> there's not a lot of activity besides reads on the drive, and occasional writes to add new media to long-term storage
[01:29] <lettuce> !diskmanager
[01:29] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about diskmanager - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:29] <lettuce> !diskmounter
[01:29] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions - See also !fuse
[01:29] <Dragnslcr> Can Fesity read NTFS drives out of the box, or do I need to install drivers for it?
[01:29] <lettuce> fiesty ca
[01:29] <lettuce> I think it can
[01:30] <vbgunz> !ntfs-3g
[01:30] <ubotu> ntfs-3g is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. Installation instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions
[01:30] <Dragnslcr> I just need to get around to pulling the SATA drive out of my Windows box so I can get some files off of it
[01:31] <vbgunz> Dragnslcr: you can mount a Windows drive read only or use the the ntfs-3g software to read and write
[01:31] <Dragnslcr> Yeah, I knew it needs extra drivers at least for writing. I only need to be able to read from it
[01:31] <Daisuke_Ido> yeaj, it can read natively
[01:31] <Dragnslcr> Nice
[01:31] <Dragnslcr> Thanks
[01:32] <MonaLeilani> HAHA! Netbeans works. Kdevelop didn't. :o
[01:32] <vbgunz> Does Feisty really mount a Windows drive out of the box now? I wouldn't know I've done it manually a long time ago :(
[01:33] <Daisuke_Ido> vbgunz: updated to feisty on my laptop and it sees the windows partition with no problems
[01:33] <d_> holasss
[01:37] <ar53n> Yo , i just installed mozilla plugin gnash but i cant watch youtube video and the few flash i can see are all pixeled
[01:37] <ar53n> kinda...
[01:37] <ar53n> Know how i can fix that? Or do you know another flash player for mozilla that works better?
[01:39] <beth> Hi, I am a Ubuntu-newbie and try to get wireless PCMCIA going. Does someone have experience with wireless prism2_cs/orinoco_cs?
[01:41] <lettuce> I'm trying to edit the contents of /etc/fstab but i can't delete anything. How do I delete stuff?
[01:42] <LinkCanabico> ar53n on fedora there is a macromedia repository wich has a plugin called flash-plugin
[01:42] <LinkCanabico> i supose kubuntu has the same
[01:43] <beth> lettuce, you might need to start your editor with sudo to get edit-rights
[01:44] <Daisuke_Ido> ar53n: flashplayer-nonfree
[01:45] <Daisuke_Ido> of flashplugin-nonfree
[01:45] <Daisuke_Ido> i forget which
[01:46] <Admiral_Chicago> the second one
[01:47] <Ireclan> So...Ummm...I have a question about Konqueror...
[01:48] <Ireclan> Does it do the whole "home page" thing?
[01:48] <RawSewage> what
[01:50] <Ireclan> Can you specify a home page with Konquereor?
[01:50] <Ireclan> *Konqueror
[01:50] <cWolfe> yes Ireclan
[01:50] <Ireclan> cWolfe: Could you please tell me how?
[01:51] <cWolfe> settings->configure->behavior and there should be a homepage box
[01:51] <cWolfe> Home URL: is the exact box label
[01:52] <ardchoille> What is a good svg creation app for kde?
[01:53] <biovore> I normaly use inkscape
[01:53] <biovore> but there is are some others like sodi podi
[01:53] <biovore> and krita
[01:53] <ardchoille> biovore: I'l check those out, thank you :)
[01:55] <biovore> krita is a dose graphics not svg.. sorry :-P
[01:57] <ar53n> i canat find flash non free in adep
[01:57] <ar53n> adept
[01:57] <RawSewage> do this
[01:57] <RawSewage> apt-cache search flash
[01:58] <RawSewage> in the terminal
[01:58] <RawSewage> apt-cache search is handy
[01:58] <ardchoille> ar53n: flashplugin-nonfree  ?
[01:58] <ar53n> ya
[01:59] <RawSewage> mozilla-plugin-gnash - free Flash movie player - Plugin for Mozilla and derivatives
[01:59] <Mena> Where to find color scheme
[01:59] <ardchoille> apt-cache search, apt-cache policy are both handy
[01:59] <BluesKaj> Howdy , i was just checking my partitions in 'Disk & Filesystem -System Settings' and noticed 2 new entries with the 'default applicatiuons' icon indicating that one partition is /  and trhe is disabled swap... the other partitions are listed but don't seem to be active.... I'm totally surprised by this and it's slowed my pc down a lot ...any ideas or suggestions ?
[01:59] <RawSewage> flashplugin-nonfree - Adobe Flash Player plugin installer
[01:59] <ardchoille> Mena: http://www.kde-look.org/index.php?xcontentmode=28
[01:59] <ar53n> what does apt-cache ? do
[02:00] <Mena> ardchoille, i mean to find the color scheme files
[02:00] <ar53n> ANd i dont use gnash because theres is alot of pixel and doesnt work on youtube =(
[02:00] <ardchoille> apt-cache - APT package handling utility -- cache manipulator
[02:00] <RawSewage> open terminal, and do  sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
[02:00] <ar53n> im new to kubuntu...instaled it yesterday
[02:00] <ar53n> E: Impossible de verrouiller /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Ressource temporairement non disponible)
[02:00] <ar53n> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[02:00] <ardchoille> Mena: ~/.kde/share/apps/kdisplay/color-schemes  ?
[02:00] <ar53n> when i type ur command rawsewage
[02:01] <ar53n> *brb in a 2 min *
[02:01] <ardchoille> ar53n: Close adept and try again
[02:01] <RawSewage> ok
[02:01] <Mena> ardchoille, ohh yeah
[02:01] <Mena> :)
[02:01] <ardchoille> Mena: That's one thing I love about kde, most stuff is put somwhere in ~/.kde instead of dot folders in your $HOME
[02:03] <ar53n> im back
[02:03] <RawSewage> [00:01]  <ardchoille> ar53n: Close adept and try again
[02:03] <ar53n> kk
[02:03] <ardchoille> ar53n: You can't sudo apt-get install if adept is open.
[02:04] <ardchoille> iirc, adept uses apt-get as its back end
[02:04] <ar53n> NO package correspong to flashplugin-nonfree
[02:05] <RawSewage> are you using Feisty
[02:05] <ar53n> ya
[02:05] <RawSewage> ok do this
[02:05] <RawSewage> play an mp3 first
[02:05] <ardchoille> ar53n: Enable multiverse and try again
[02:05] <ar53n> they are
[02:05] <RawSewage> can you play mp3
[02:06] <ar53n> Yes
[02:06] <Lam_> what's the command to launch the present working directory in the terminal into konqueror?
[02:06] <RawSewage> sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
[02:06] <RawSewage> copy and paste
[02:06] <ardchoille> Lam_: kfmclient exec /path/to/dir
[02:07] <Lam_> ardchoille: thank you
[02:07] <ardchoille> You're welcome :)
[02:07] <ar53n> NO plugin correspong to flashplugin-nonfree
[02:07] <ardchoille> ar53n: Can you pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list please?
[02:07] <ardchoille> !paste
[02:08] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[02:08] <ar53n> np sec
[02:08] <ar53n> how do i get my sources.list by console
[02:08] <ar53n> ?
[02:09] <ardchoille> ar53n: kate /etc/apt/sources.list  or  cat /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:09] <ar53n> (sorry im new to kubuntu )
[02:09] <ardchoille> ar53n: Do you have firefox installed?
[02:10] <ar53n> yes
[02:10] <ardchoille> ar53n: firefox file:///etc/apt/sources.list
[02:10] <aro> ar53n: sudo kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:10] <ar53n> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/19710/
[02:10] <ardchoille> !gksudo | aro
[02:10] <ubotu> aro: If you need to run graphical applications as root, use  gksudo , as it will set up the environment more appropriately. Avoid ever using  sudo <GUI-application> 
[02:10] <aro> ?
[02:10] <aro> I know what gksudo is...
[02:11] <aro> Besides it's kdesu if we're using kubuntu
[02:11] <ardchoille> Ah, true
[02:11] <ardchoille> !kdesu
[02:11] <ubotu> In KDE, use  kdesu  to run graphical applications with root privileges when you have to. Do *not* use  sudo <GUI application> ; you can muck up your permissions/config files. For what to use in GNOME, see !gksudo
[02:11] <flaccid> wonder if they could make a kdesudo
[02:11] <RawSewage> ar53n, are you sure you can play mp3
[02:11] <ar53n> Yeah i played mp3 from a cd 2 min ago
[02:12] <jrick> I can't get anything to compile using Kompile.  It's a sweet idea, but not so useful if it doesn't work.  It always fails when trying to configure the sources.
[02:12] <ardchoille> ar53n: Have you done 'sudo apt-get update' since enabling the multiverse repo?
[02:12] <ar53n> i will
[02:12] <ar53n> done
[02:12] <ardchoille> ar53n: Do that and then try the flashplugin again
[02:13] <ar53n> in adept?
[02:13] <jrick> are there any packages that I need to have installed to use Kompile?
[02:13] <ardchoille> ar53n: sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
[02:13] <flaccid> jrick: have you installed build-essential?
[02:13] <ardchoille> jrick: I am thinking build-essential
[02:13] <ar53n> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), are you root?
[02:13] <Mena> ardchoille, yes
[02:14] <jrick> I'm pretty sure I have that package, let me check
[02:14] <ardchoille> ar53n: You need to use sudo
[02:14] <Mena> !fixadept
[02:14] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about fixadept - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:14] <Mena> !fix
[02:14] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about fix - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:14] <Mena> !adeptfix
[02:14] <ubotu> If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a 
[02:15] <jrick> hmmm, guess not.  I thought I did b/c I had a lot of stuff installed for developing Java and Ruby programs.
[02:15] <jrick> installing it now.
[02:15] <ar53n> No package correspong to flashplugin-nonfree =(
[02:15] <ardchoille> ar53n: Ok, it may be your repos then, cuz I have it here.
[02:16] <ardchoille> ar53n: I can give you a command to change your repos if you want
[02:16] <ar53n> what's repos?
[02:16] <ar53n> *newbie*
[02:16] <stdin> !repos
[02:16] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[02:17] <ar53n> Yes give me the command plz ardchoille
[02:17] <ardchoille> ar53n: sudo sed -i.backup 's/ca.archive/archive/g' /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:17] <jrick> looks like it did the trick, sorry for not checking such a simple solution before asking :|
[02:17] <stdin> ar53n: btw, "repos" is short for "repositories", which is even short for "package repositories"
[02:18] <ar53n> ok ! thx ^
[02:18] <aaroncampbell> I'm on Kubuntu Feisty (7.04), and java can't seem to see my print service.  Has anyone else had this problem?  I get "No Print Service Found." when I try to print.  I tried in jedit and Zend Studio.  I also tried using Sun Java 5 from the repos, and the java that comes with Zend Studio.  Any Ideas?
[02:18] <ar53n> ok command done
[02:18] <ardchoille> ar53n: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
[02:18] <RawSewage> ar53n, here's a handy page   http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu:Feisty
[02:18] <ar53n> whouhou!
[02:18] <ar53n> thx ^^
[02:19] <ar53n> im totally new to this
[02:19] <ardchoille> ar53n: That sudo sed command I gave you made a backup of your sources.list before changes were made, you can restore it if yo need to later.
[02:19] <ar53n> omfggg
[02:19] <ar53n> sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
[02:19] <ar53n> =
[02:19] <ardchoille> ar53n: I've been using Ubuntu since Warty was released, Kubuntu is even better, IMHO.
[02:19] <ar53n> no package corespong to flashplugin ect...
[02:19] <ar53n> im using kubuntu
[02:19] <ar53n> =D
[02:19] <RawSewage> which is faster
[02:20] <RawSewage> or is there no definitive answer
[02:20] <cabled_> i have a question on my main user account after i type in the password  the keyboard stops takeing input....im currently on another acount with the same keyboard [new]  and its working just fine what can i look at to see why keyboard stops takeing input...i tried the system settings didnt fix
[02:20] <cyrusjones> Is this Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu
[02:20] <stdin> ar53n: you need to enable the multiverse repository, it tells you how here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[02:21] <ardchoille> ar53n: Well, that flashplugin install command works great here
[02:21] <ar53n> My kubuntu is in french and , they are all enable!  ( the menu is not the same as on the websitE )
[02:22] <ardchoille> ar53n: Ok, do you want to restore your old sources.list?
[02:22] <ardchoille> Not a problem if you don't, it's up to you
[02:22] <stdin> ar53n: aah, wait, you need to reload the package list
[02:22] <stdin> "sudo apt-get update"
[02:22] <snake> hi
[02:23] <compilerwriter> !checksum
[02:23] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about checksum - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:23] <stdin> !md5sum | compilerwriter
[02:23] <ubotu> compilerwriter: To verify the integrity of a download, use the md5sum - see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowToMD5SUM for more
[02:23] <compilerwriter> thanks stdin
[02:23] <jrick> hmmmmm, I'm trying to install the Domino style for KDE, and after installing build-essential, the configure worked finished.  Now my problem is that I can't run make.
[02:23] <snake> i do not have the close maximize and minimize buttons in feisty with beryl and nvidia go 7600. someone gave me a cmd to do but i do not remember it. anyone ??
[02:23] <stdin> :)
[02:24] <jrick> (I gave up on Kompile)
[02:24] <ar53n> Ok thx ^^
[02:24] <jrick> (back to yakuake :)
[02:24] <flaccid> did you install build-essential?
[02:24] <ardchoille> jrick: Are you compiling yakuake?
[02:24] <TheDebugger> jrick: Did you check if the style was already in the repos?
[02:24] <jrick> flaccid: yeah.
[02:24] <jrick> no, the Domino style
[02:24] <K`zan> Anyone know how to disable the scroll wheel on a imps2 mouse?
[02:24] <flaccid> what is the error, jrick?
[02:25] <jrick> let me check.
[02:25] <jrick> um, yakuake doesn't let me scroll up.
[02:25] <snake> any idea for the window borders problem ??
[02:25] <jrick> do I need to use Konsole instead?
[02:26] <s0undt3ch> hello ppl
[02:26] <ardchoille> jrick: Do pageup and pagedown work?
[02:26] <jrick> no
[02:26] <Mena> ardchoille, Thanks :)
[02:26] <Mena> Bye :)
[02:26] <s0undt3ch> anyone had problems with network-manager-openvpn?
[02:26] <ardchoille> Mena: You're welcome :)
[02:26] <jrick> I'll just use konsole.
[02:26] <ar53n> how do i lunch wine?
[02:26] <flaccid> you can use any terminal/emulator
[02:26] <ardchoille> ar53n: Got the flash plugin sorted?
[02:26] <flaccid> yakuake works fine
[02:27] <ar53n> i dont know T_T''
[02:27] <ar53n> Ill work on flash on this later
[02:27] <compilerwriter> Anyone know what the date on the files from 7.04 would be.  I want to backup anything that doesn't have that date and then do a reformat and reinstall.
[02:27] <ar53n> i want to play css first...
[02:27] <ar53n> if i cant play games soon im gonna shoot myself lol
[02:28] <flaccid> thats crazy compilerwriter
[02:28] <stdin> snake: do you have the AddARGBGLXVisuals option in xorg.conf enabled?
[02:29] <jrick> um, there's like TONS of pages of errors.  I don't think you want me to paste them here.
[02:29] <ar53n> how do i know if my wine has been installed?
[02:30] <becster> anyone had any probs with beryl-manager not starting up from Autostart but a bash script being able to start up beryl instead?
[02:30] <stdin> !paste | jrick
[02:30] <ubotu> jrick: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[02:30] <ardchoille> ar53n: apt-cache policy wine   (you don't need sudo for this)
[02:30] <ar53n> ok thx ^
[02:31] <reddog_> hello
[02:31] <jrick> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/19711/
[02:32] <reddog_> hello
[02:32] <ar53n> it says wine is installed but i cant find my wine dir in ~/.wine/
[02:33] <ar53n> konkerorr
[02:33] <cabled_> any ideas on my keyboard problem?
[02:34] <Daisuke_Ido> ar53n: have you run winecfg yet?
[02:34] <ar53n> yes
[02:34] <Daisuke_Ido> that should have created .wine
[02:34] <Daisuke_Ido> and how about in a terminal, does cd ~/.wine work?
[02:34] <stdin> jrick: install kde-devel, it installed all the KDE headers you'll need (most importantly kdebase-dev )
[02:35] <ar53n> yes
[02:35] <ar53n> wait ill retry
[02:35] <purpleposeidon> is this a good place for sh scripting?
[02:35] <Daisuke_Ido> purpleposeidon: might try #bash
[02:35] <ar53n> now it works thanx guys!
[02:35] <Daisuke_Ido> ar53n: no problem
[02:35] <stdin> purpleposeidon: some of know how, but a better place (for bash scripts) is #bash
[02:35] <purpleposeidon> Daisuke_Ido: already got it
[02:36] <ardchoille> purpleposeidon: You may be interested in: http://www.cyberciti.biz/nixcraft/linux/docs/uniqlinuxfeatures/lsst/
[02:36] <compilerwriter> flaccid it may be crazy, but I have tried everything else I and everyone else can think of to fix the sound on my blasted machine and we have gotten nowhere.
[02:36] <jrick> ok, I'll try make again.
[02:36] <Daisuke_Ido> i know the *bare* essentials about scripting.  basically no more than a simple list of commands
[02:36] <cabled_> i have a question on my main user account after i type in the password  the keyboard stops takeing input....im currently on another acount with the same keyboard [new]  and its working just fine what can i look at to see why keyboard stops takeing input...i tried the system settings didnt fix
[02:37] <reddog_> i have instaled Wine  but how run
[02:37] <hatter> I need some clues as to what I am supposed to do when kubuntu desktop randomly freezes. its done it four times now in the last 3 weeks, at random times, just now when it happened it had been on for 4 days, the other times maybe half a day later
[02:37] <Daisuke_Ido> reddog_: wine <windows program>
[02:37] <Daisuke_Ido> like, wine explorer.exe
[02:37] <cabled_> from command prompt
[02:37] <jrick> stdin, thanks, make ran, and afterwords sudo make install also ran w/o any problems
[02:37] <flaccid> compilerwriter: yeah sound on linux sux
[02:37] <jrick> I'll check now if it's in my styles.
[02:37] <Daisuke_Ido> hatter: dirty solution, ctrl+alt+backspace, but there's got to be an underlying reason for the problem
[02:38] <hatter> Daisuke_Ido: ctrl+alt+backspace wont work, nothing works, keyboard freezes, mouse freezes
[02:38] <ar53n> What is the /i means in console?
[02:38] <ar53n> !i
[02:38] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about i - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:38] <cabled_> hatter u have an ati vid card by any chanc?
[02:38] <hatter> cabled_: yes, actually
[02:38] <Daisuke_Ido> ar53n: just / ?  that's the root directory
[02:39] <cabled_> mine does the same thing
[02:39] <ar53n> no no
[02:39] <ar53n>  /i
[02:39] <ar53n> wine msiexec /i SteamInstall.msi
[02:39] <ar53n> the i
[02:39] <hatter> Daisuke_Ido: yet i can ping the box when its frozen
[02:39] <jrick> stdin: worked great, and is in my styles.  using it now. Thanks!
[02:39] <flaccid> compilerwriter: i would recommend researching how sound works on ubuntu
[02:39] <hatter> cabled_: randomly ?
[02:39] <cabled_> i think cuz kubuntu stopped useing the xfree drivers its not doing something right
[02:39] <cabled_> very
[02:39] <hatter> same symptoms ?
[02:39] <cabled_> yup
[02:39] <cabled_> i have an ati 800 pro
[02:40] <stdin> ar53n: ahh, that's an argument to the msiexec command, probably "install"
[02:40] <hatter> can anyone else clue in on this ?
[02:40] <stdin> jrick: no problem :)
[02:40] <cabled_> $600. vid card and it just goes nuts
[02:40] <hatter> mines an old ati
[02:40] <cabled_> reboot and hope for updaytes
[02:40] <ar53n> Because i wanna install steam ( the msi is on my desktop ) but the wine msiexec /i SteamInstall.msi command doesnt work
[02:40] <Daisuke_Ido> cabled_: ati and linux aren't friends.  YET.  it's possible
[02:40] <compilerwriter> flaccid will my mail get backed up if I backup my home directory.  I think so but would like a second opinion.
[02:41] <hatter> Daisuke_Ido: nor are nvidia, the two big video card makers
[02:41] <Daisuke_Ido> ar53n: wine "msiexec /i SteamInstall.msi"
[02:41] <stdin> ar53n: don't put wine first
[02:41] <hatter> damn bill gates and his monkeys!  dont feed them !
[02:41] <hatter> !monkeys
[02:41] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about monkeys - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:41] <cabled_> someday i hope
[02:41] <Daisuke_Ido> hatter: nvidia's got better support than ati at the moment
[02:41] <ar53n> doesnt work
[02:41] <flaccid> compilerwriter: depends onthe mail client and where it stores mail. unless you are talking about a server
[02:41] <ar53n> err:msi:copy_package_to_temp failed to copy package L"SteamInstall.msi"
[02:41] <Daisuke_Ido> try stdin's suggestion
[02:42] <cabled_> i still need some keyboard help
[02:42] <hatter> Daisuke_Ido: hmm, but still closed source drivers
[02:42] <Daisuke_Ido> hatter: yeah, still binary blobs, but they work a lot better :)
[02:42] <compilerwriter> flaccid I use kmail inside of Kontakt.
[02:42] <cabled_> i have a question on my main user account after i type in the password  the keyboard stops takeing input....im currently on another acount with the same keyboard [new]  and its working just fine what can i look at to see why keyboard stops takeing input...i tried the system settings didnt fix
[02:42] <hatter> Daisuke_Ido: do u know if nvidia cards work with xinerama ?
[02:42] <ar53n> *Im about to re-install windows*
[02:42] <ardchoille> ar53n: try: wine msiexec ~/Desktop/SteamInstall.msi
[02:43] <flaccid> compilerwriter: yes its stored somewhere in ~/
[02:43] <stdin> msiexec ..., not wine msiexec ...
[02:43] <K`zan> Never mind, even under kde you can't set scroll to less than one line, I just broke the mouse.
[02:43] <compilerwriter> I have tried to use the stuff from the forums.  Two other much more knowledgeable people than me have looked at it.
[02:43] <compilerwriter> So I am just flummoxed.
[02:43] <ar53n> gives me some kind of line...
[02:43] <ar53n> doesnt install
[02:44] <Daisuke_Ido> ar53n: http://appdb.winehq.org/appview.php?iVersionId=1554&iTestingId=11160
[02:44] <ardchoille> ar53n: Did you see what stdin said?
[02:44] <Daisuke_Ido> scroll down, there's a full howto on steam under wine
[02:44] <Daisuke_Ido> right there on wine's site!
[02:44] <ar53n> kthx...
[02:44] <cabled_> where do u turn off "slow keys"
[02:45] <flaccid> cabled_: kcontrol iirc
[02:45] <hatter> any experience with the old matrox g400's on kubuntu ?
[02:45] <stdin> ar53n: found this which may help: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuMagazine/HowTo/InstallingSteam
[02:45] <cabled_> i was in kftp and somehow the box came up u held down shift longer than 8 seconds do u want slow keys on?
[02:46] <cabled_> i thought it would help selecting files... but i think thats what stopped kbd input
[02:46] <jrick> ok, now when I try to install strigi with kompile, I get this in the console output:
[02:46] <jrick> /bin/sh configure
[02:46] <jrick> /bin/sh: Can't open configure
[02:46] <jrick> Error during sources configuration. Installation aborted!
[02:47] <jrick> should I try with Konsole?
[02:47] <ar53n> OK FUCK IT IM REINSTALLING WINDOWS THIS THING IS DRIVING ME CRAZY
[02:47] <ar53n> KTHX BYE THX FOR ALL UR HELP
[02:47] <stdin> jrick: yeah, there may not be a configure script, or you may need to run autoconf
[02:48] <stdin> ar53n: 1st language!, 2nd SHOUTING, 3rd I found you a GUIDE
[02:48] <flaccid> ar53n: dont shout and don't swear, and preferable learn linux.
[02:49] <ardchoille> lol
[02:49] <flaccid> jrick: are you running ./configure
[02:49] <cabled_> keyboard help plz
[02:49] <ardchoille> cabled_: Can you repeat your kb problem please?
[02:49] <cabled_> this is a brand new kbd
[02:49] <jrick> yeah, but No such file or directory.
[02:49] <cabled_> i have a question on my main user account after i type in the password  the keyboard stops takeing input....im currently on another acount with the same keyboard [new]  and its working just fine what can i look at to see why keyboard stops takeing input...i tried the system settings didnt fix
[02:50] <stdin> jrick: is there a Makefile ?
[02:50] <jrick> no, all i see is that there's a config.h.cmake file.
[02:50] <stdin> cmake ??
[02:50] <jrick> yeah
[02:51] <stdin> damb, you may need cmake then
[02:51] <cabled_> it acts like the kbd is dead no lites change when u hit the buttons  [num lock]  etc
[02:51] <stdin> but that's only supposed to be kde4
[02:51] <jrick> how do I get it/what is it?
[02:51] <cabled_> but yet i swir=tched users and here its working
[02:51] <stdin> jrick: sudo apt-get install cmake
[02:52] <jrick> stdin: aparently I already have it
[02:52] <stdin> jrick: ok, try just running "cmake" then
[02:52] <jrick> it gives me the usage page
[02:52] <ardchoille> cabled_: The only thing I can think of is there may be a keyboard shortcut or keyboard gesture that is set and is interferring with things.
[02:53] <cabled_> where would i look/shut it off?
[02:53] <ardchoille> cabled_: kcontrol > Regional & Accessibility > Keyboard Shortcuts ?
[02:53] <cabled_> i tried that
[02:53] <ardchoille> :(
[02:53] <stdin> jrick: got a url for the download, so I can take a look?
[02:53] <jrick> just a sec.
[02:54] <cabled_> i was in the middle of a ftp d/l and i clked on shft/cntrl to try and keep the select line on the grp of files and i got a msg do u want slow keys enabled
[02:54] <jrick> http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/Strigi?content=40889
[02:54] <jrick> (the core package)
[02:59] <ardchoille> cabled_: That should be in kcontrol > Regional & Accessibility > Accessibility
[02:59] <ardchoille> cabled_: Keyboard Filters tab
[03:00] <cabled_> k ill go look again
[03:00] <cabled_> bbiaf
[03:00] <stdin> jrick: think I got it...
[03:00] <ardchoille> omg! This distro rocks! :)
[03:01] <stdin> jrick: install libclucene-dev, then run "cmake ." (with the '.' at the end)
[03:01] <stdin> jrick: then run "make"
[03:01] <flaccid> lucene?
[03:01] <flaccid> search engine?
[03:01] <jrick> stdin: ok, will try that.
[03:02] <jrick> stdin: bash: cmake.: command not found
[03:03] <jrick> why do I need the period?
[03:03] <stdin> jrick: because that's the path to the source code
[03:03] <Daisuke_Ido> jrick: use a space between cmake and .
[03:03] <biovore> cmake .
[03:03] <jrick> ok.
[03:03] <jrick> there we go...
[03:03] <stdin> jrick: cmake (space) .
[03:03] <stdin> then "make"
[03:04] <jrick> i know, it's running now.
[03:04] <stdin> and watch the pretty colors :p
[03:04] <jrick> * running make
[03:05] <jrick> ooohhhh, pretty!
[03:05] <jrick> I could watch this all day (hope I don't have to :)
[03:06] <stdin> didn't take too long here
[03:06] <jrick> 42%
[03:07] <dwidmann> jrick: which reminds me ... I need a screensaver of that
[03:07] <hatter> omg.
[03:07] <dwidmann> if one exists
[03:08] <hatter> i just took out my ati card and put in the mga card and in booted into gnome.
[03:08] <hatter> when with the ati card it boots into kubuntu.
[03:08] <hatter> wtf
[03:08] <hatter> did i do something strange ?
[03:09] <dwidmann> Strange indeed ... you've swapped back and forth to test this I presume?
[03:09] <jrick> done, now for the applet.
[03:09] <rebecca> anyone else having session settings not saving on logout with beryl running?
[03:09] <stdin> woah, you may want to strip the binaries too, "-rwxr-xr-x 1 stdin stdin 2.3M 2007-05-08 02:02 strigidaemon" "-rwxr-xr-x 1 stdin stdin 206K 2007-05-08 02:07 strigidaemon-stripped"
[03:09] <jrick> same procedure?
[03:09] <stdin> make install 1st
[03:09] <hatter> i didnt ask for gnome at all.  i put the matrox card in and changed the driver and stuff to make the mga card work, and startx ran gnome
[03:10] <hatter> dwidmann: no i havent put the ati card back in yet
[03:10] <dwidmann> hatter: I'm just saying, maybe something was changed that you didn't notice since your last logout
[03:10] <jrick> make: *** No rule to make target `install'.  Stop.
[03:11] <stdin> ok then :p
[03:11] <hatter> dwidmann: probably, i changed because my system completely froze a few times
[03:11] <hatter> someone suggested it may be because of the ati driver
[03:12] <dwidmann> hatter: anyway, all you need to do is change it back :P No harm done
[03:12] <hatter> dwidmann: what decides which desktop startx runs ?
[03:13] <stdin> jrick: I'd still do "for i in $(find . -type f -exec file {} \;|grep executable|grep ELF|awk -F: '{print $1}')do strip $1;done"
[03:13] <hatter> kdm or gdm i guess ?
[03:13] <jrick> stdin: you lost me there.
[03:13] <Dink> Can anyone tell me whats the gutsy kubuntu channel ?
[03:14] <Dink> what = where I can find
[03:14] <Jucato> Dink: try #ubuntu+1
[03:14] <dwidmann> hatter: probably some file that ?dm reads really, but changing it with ?dm would be the easy-way-out
[03:14] <Dink> hmm ok, I thought kde folks had their own +1 channel
[03:14] <Dink> thanks Jucato
[03:14] <jrick> hmm, maybe the readme has some useful info :S
[03:14] <Jucato> hatter: if you type startx directly, it doesn't use any *dm.
[03:15] <dwidmann> Dink: we should :( ... #ubuntu+1 is usually ripe with Gnomes
[03:15] <Dink> I could have sworn there was one with feisty
[03:15] <stdin> jrick: thought I would, you'll want to strip the binaries (to make them smaller), so run "for i in $(find . -type f -exec file {} \;|grep executable|grep ELF|awk -F: '{print $1}');do strip $i;done" to find them and strip them
[03:15] <Jucato> Dink: nah. since gutsy is still in development, it doesn't make sense to have a separate channel.
[03:15] <Jucato> for Kubuntu+1 I mean
[03:15] <jrick> ok, that it?
[03:16] <Daisuke_Ido> you mean i'm there for no reason? :(
[03:16] <Dink> yeah I thought there was one when feisty was under development
[03:16] <jrick> there's some install instructions in the readme for CVS, SVN, and CMake
[03:16] <Jucato> Dink: but #kubuntu-devel is also a channel to inquire about kde/kubuntu related development questions, not user support though
[03:17] <hatter> Jucato: ah. thats why then
[03:17] <Dink> k wasnt sure where to go... possible bug... get a crash whenever I click on "systemsettings" not sure if its been posted or not or if as usual its just me
[03:18] <stdin> jrick: after you strip them, then you do need to do a "sudo make install", it works here
[03:18] <Jucato> Dink: you can check launchpad.net to see if it has been reported
[03:18] <Jucato> !bugs
[03:18] <ubotu> If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots
[03:18] <sakthi> why firefox becomes very sloe at times
[03:18] <jrick> same make error as before.
[03:19] <stdin> jrick: you are doing it from the "strigi-0.5.1" directory?
[03:19] <jrick> strigiapplet-0.5.1
[03:20] <jrick> did I jump too far ahead?
[03:20] <stdin> that's the GUI package, I was talking about the core
[03:21] <jrick> do I need to be in the strigi-0.5.1 directory instead?
[03:22] <stdin> jrick: well the core needs to be installed first
[03:23] <jrick> oh, ok.  it's working now.
[03:23] <jrick> but no pretty colors...
[03:23] <jrick> it's done
[03:24] <jrick> now on to the applet?
[03:25] <froggie> hi, what do i use as the alternative for gedit? cause gedit does not seem to work and i need to edit the /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:25] <froggie> root@froggie-laptop:/etc/apt# gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:25] <froggie> bash: gedit: command not found
[03:26] <jrick> froggie: on kubuntu, replace gedit with kate.
[03:26] <jrick> *KDE Advanced Text Editor
[03:26] <stdin> froggie: and don't run it logged in as root, use kdesu as normal user
[03:26] <froggie> thanks jrick
[03:27] <froggie> thanks
[03:27] <AutoMatriX> hello to all
[03:28] <cabled> sigh that didnt work
[03:29] <fulat2k> anyone here setup kqemu?
[03:29] <jrick> stdin: after trying to build the applet running the last command in the readme, I get this error:
[03:29] <jrick> CMake Error: Could not find JStreams
[03:29] <stdin> jrick: me too, trying to figure it out now
[03:30] <cabled> any ideas why a keyboard works in one login user and not on another user?
[03:31] <hatter> I am not having much joy with kubuntu.  after random freezes and changing the ati video card to the matrox card, when i go to -> sytem settings -> Monitor and display -> i get the kde crash handler
[03:31] <hatter> I am all for ubuntu/linux/ whatever distro working, but not sure what to do to resolve these things
[03:32] <hatter> it appears the crash is in libXrandr
[03:33] <flaccid> hatter: try a different xorg driver
[03:33] <hatter> flaccid: i have a matrox and a s3 video card in this box
[03:33] <Mr> hello
[03:33] <ubuntu> hi
[03:33] <hatter> the matrox drive is mga, and the s3 is... s3
[03:33] <ubuntu> how do i change my nme?
[03:34] <ubuntu> *name?
[03:34] <hatter> the only matrox drive is mga isnt it ?
[03:34] <stdin> ubuntu: /nick NewName
[03:34] <hatter> ubuntu: by deed poll.
[03:34] <flaccid> what driver is being used in xorg.conf atm
[03:34] <hatter> flaccid: mga and s3virge
[03:34] <camargob> thanks
[03:35] <camargob> i cant boot to kubuntu...
[03:35] <camargob> ive tried booting from the live cd
[03:35] <camargob> and fsck the disk
[03:35] <camargob> the prtition
[03:35] <stdin> jrick: got it :) run this "sudo ln -s /usr/local/include/strigi /usr/include/strigi" then "cmake -DCMAKE_INCLUDE_PATH=/usr/local/include -DCMAKE_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/local/lib -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=/usr/local ." from the strigiapplet-0.5.1 directory
[03:36] <stdin> jrick: then you can run make and sudo make install
[03:36] <camargob> but i get some errors
[03:36] <jrick> ln?
[03:36] <flaccid> hatter: so its not nvidia or ati, its matrox itself?
[03:36] <jrick> you mean ls?
[03:36] <stdin> jrick: no, ln
[03:37] <jrick> ln: invalid option -- D
[03:37] <jrick> Try `ln --help' for more information.
[03:37] <tradotto> Some program is trying to change my DNS server address in /etc/resolv.conf
[03:37] <hatter> flaccid: i put a matrox g400 in and changed the driver to mga
[03:37] <tradotto> It keeps chaning it and I have to go in and change it back, is there anyway to find out what is doing this?
[03:37] <stdin> jrick: copy & paste it
[03:37] <Mr> I have a  question if this is the right place: newb here.  I changed my screen settings in the display manager from the dropdown k menu...  something went wrong and now I can't see anyt gui.  network won't even connect now because I think it was tied into kde's start up which is now disrupted.  had to restart computer in windows just to log in here.  is there some way to restore my old display settings?  I had no idea this was going t
[03:37] <Mr> o be so hard to fix otherwise I would have tried to save my settings before doing it.
[03:38] <jrick> oh, I know what I did wrong...
[03:38] <BluesKaj> How would a UUID partition be created on my pc without my knowledge ...I find that a bit troublesome. Is it anything to worry about ?
[03:38] <flaccid> hatter: try #xorg and ask about the mga driver and if its buggy and/or google
[03:38] <flaccid> if its a fresh install and xorg is configured correctly, then it could just be buggy vid driver. however,  hatter i would do a trial run using the "vesa" driver to try to confirm
[03:38] <jrick> there we go...
[03:39] <jrick> thanks!
[03:39] <stdin> jrick: just realised, it's going to be installed in /usr/local, it should be in /usr, so we may need to "remake" them :(
[03:39] <jrick> ok, how?
[03:40] <jrick> can't you just copy the binarys?
[03:40] <jrick> *binaries
[03:41] <stdin> jrick: no, just go in to the strigi-0.5.1 dir, and run "sudo make uninstall" then "cmake -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=/usr/ . ; make ;sudo make install"
[03:41] <stdin> jrick: then in the strigiaplet-0.5.1 dir
[03:42] <stdin> jrick: run "sudo make uninstall" and " cmake -DCMAKE_INCLUDE_PATH=/usr/include -DCMAKE_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/lib -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=/usr ."
[03:42] <jrick> ok, it's remaking them now.
[03:42] <stdin> jrick: then "make ; sudo make install" that should be it
[03:43] <karlito> I just install kubuntu feisty and got something strange. each time I start a application. I got two icon appeared on the task bar. icon are all double
[03:43] <karlito> hi, by the way :)
[03:46] <jrick> stdin: problem.  when uninstalling them in the applet directory, I get these errors:
[03:46] <jrick> CMake Error: Cannot find install manifest: "/home/joshua/Desktop/strigiapplet-0.5.1/install_manifest.txt"
[03:46] <jrick> make[3] : *** [CMakeFiles/uninstall]  Error 255
[03:46] <jrick> make[2] : *** [CMakeFiles/uninstall.dir/all]  Error 2
[03:46] <jrick> make[1] : *** [CMakeFiles/uninstall.dir/rule]  Error 2
[03:46] <jrick> make: *** [uninstall]  Error 2
[03:46] <Jucato> !paste | jrick
[03:46] <ubotu> jrick: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[03:47] <stdin> jrick: "make uninstall" not "cmake uninstall"
[03:47] <jrick> that's what I used.
[03:47] <jrick> sudo make uninstall
[03:47] <stdin> jrick: no, you clearly used cmake there, try again
[03:48] <Mr> is there some way that I can take a number in this channel?  are there certain questions tat are better asked elsewhere?
[03:48] <stdin> jrick: or, to make things easier ...
[03:48] <stdin> jrick: just delete the whole directory
[03:48] <stdin> jrick: and extract it again
[03:49] <jrick> ohh, good idea.
[03:49] <stdin> jrick: then just do this (after you cd in to it again): cmake -DCMAKE_INCLUDE_PATH=/usr/include -DCMAKE_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/lib -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=/usr . ; make ; sudo make install
[03:50] <BluesKaj> sometimes nobody knows the answer, Mr :(...I 'm afraid my question is either irrelavent or too difficult , but i wish someone would tell me one way or the other :)
[03:51] <stdin> BluesKaj: uhh, you asked a question? could you repeate please.
[03:51] <Daisuke_Ido> BluesKaj: that's just how kubuntu sets up the automounts, i believe
[03:51] <phuzion> Is there a client similar to uTorrent for Linux that doesn't eat memory like Azu does?
[03:51] <BluesKaj> stdin,How would a UUID partition be created on my pc without my knowledge ...I find that a bit troublesome. Is it anything to worry about ?
[03:51] <Jucato> BluesKaj: a UUID partition is not *created*
[03:52] <weili> hi
[03:52] <stdin> BluesKaj: a UUID partition??
[03:52] <Jucato> BluesKaj: a UUID is like a label that's specific to a particular partition.
[03:52] <Jucato> !uuid | BluesKaj
[03:52] <ubotu> BluesKaj: To see a list of your devices/partitions and their corresponding UUID's, run this command in a !shell:  blkid  (see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LibAtaForAtaDisks for the rationale behind the transition to UUID)
[03:52] <jrick> sweet, it's on my kmenu now.  Thanks soooo much! :)
[03:52] <Jucato> UUID = Universally Unique IDentifier
[03:53] <hatter> flaccid: monitor and display crashes with the vesa driver,
[03:53] <weili> ?
[03:53] <stdin> Mr: the best thing to do in here is just ask, if no one knows then they'll generally point you in the direction of help
[03:53] <flaccid> thats no good
[03:53] <weili> what is the kubuntu?
[03:53] <Jucato> !kubuntu | weili
[03:53] <ubotu> weili: Kubuntu is Ubuntu with KDE, the K Desktop Environment, instead of Gnome. See http://kubuntu.org for more information - For support: #kubuntu - See also !KDE
[03:53] <jrick> now what kind of horrible things must I go through if I want to update...? (that's why I like packages, A LOT)
[03:54] <weili> is it just a tool to comversation?
[03:54] <Xaero> How do I get module-assitant to build and install a package?
[03:54] <Xaero> build, install wont' work
[03:55] <stdin> weili: no it's a desktop environment on the GNU/Linux Operating System
[03:57] <Jucato> (stdin: actually that's wht KDE is :P)
[03:57] <Jucato> what*
[03:57] <stdin> Jucato: yeah, but Kubuntu is KDE on Linux basically
[03:58] <BluesKaj> Jucato, I reverted back to Edgy , so ktorrent doesn't crasg every 10 mins and the fglrx drivers can be configged for DRI , and the spdif out on my sound card is enabled ...since all of those things didn't work on feisty, but I don't recall encountering a root indicator with UUID number beside it in the partitions listed in system settings .
[03:58] <stdin> Jucato: tho I could have worded it better
[03:58] <Zbeebs> DCC SEND OMGWTFLOLZ 0 0 0
[03:59] <Jucato> BluesKaj: what do you mean by root indicator? Ubuntu has been using UUID in /etc/fstab since Edgy
[03:59] <Alonea> BluesKaj: ktorrent crashes due to DHT. all you had to do was goto their site, download the latest .deb, right click, install package, viola
[04:00] <BluesKaj> this / ...with ext3 UUID and a number about 10digits long
[04:00] <Jucato> BluesKaj: in fstab? yes that is normal since Edgy
[04:01] <Jucato> since edgy, instead of referencing partitions by /dev in fstab, they started using UUID's
[04:01] <bobstro> Jucato:  any good pointers to a howto on that topic?
[04:01] <Jucato> !uuid
[04:01] <ubotu> To see a list of your devices/partitions and their corresponding UUID's, run this command in a !shell:  blkid  (see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LibAtaForAtaDisks for the rationale behind the transition to UUID)
[04:01] <BluesKaj> no Jucato, in system settings/advanced/disk and filesystems
[04:01] <Jucato> BluesKaj: yes. it only reads the contents of fstab
[04:02] <BluesKaj> OK , good , thx ...had me wondering for a bit
[04:02] <Jucato> at least now on Feisty, you have a choice to actually create a mount point using the partition's UUID. previously in Edgy you'd have to manually get the UUID of a partition
[04:02] <Jucato> (using the Disk & Filesystem module I mean)
[04:03] <BluesKaj> Alonea, DHT ?
[04:03] <Jucato> BluesKaj: ok so now you can calm down about that UUID stuff :)
[04:05] <Alonea> BluesKaj: its that one thing in the program that can increase download speeds. Its on by default if I remember right. I had the same exact problem you did. Some guy told me to go to site and get latest version and it hasn't crashed since.
[04:07] <BluesKaj> ok Alonea , yeah i had it checked in my version , but dri wasn't working in feisty and neither was spdif audio out to my HT receiver
[04:07] <Alonea> BluesKaj: don't know about those...sorry. I just knew how to fix ktorrent. I don't even know what a HT receiver is.
[04:08] <BluesKaj> <---ati fglrx :(
[04:08] <nathanjk> Hi, I just did "dist-upgrade" from breezy to feisty.  Now in Amarok I can't get Win+<key> global shortcuts to work. (Tried changing assigned keys, but still has no effect).  Any ideas?
[04:08] <Mr> I'll try to ask a more specific question.  using" Display" under "System Settings" I attempted to create a dual monitor arrangement to include my television as well as my computer using the video out of my nvidia card in my dell laptop.  I also attempted to lower the resolution I used on the laptop screen so I could increase the refresh rate from 60 to 70.  now when I try to load kde or the system does when booting, the display initia
[04:08] <Mr> lly shows kde, but before the init screen changes to my desktop,  it freezes and there is a little blinking _ on ctrl-alt_f7 .  when I try to run startx I get t he statement "No Monitors" or something to that effect. how can I resolve this problem?  what can I read?  should I go speicifically to a kde forum?  The display was working very well before this.
[04:08] <BluesKaj> Home Theater with a PCM digital input
[04:10] <nathanjk> Mr: I had that problem too.  the dist-upgrade screwed up my xconf.org (or more specifically didn't load the right xserver-xorg-video-<chipset> package).  Try making sure the xorg.conf driver is correct and the package is installed.  Check /var/log/X*.log for details.
[04:11] <BluesKaj> Mr, sounds like you need to reconfigure X .. 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' in the terminal or at the TTY prompt ...then you can reset the xserver for dual monitors etc
[04:11] <Alonea> BluesKaj: have you tried Envy to install that? I have ati fglrx too. Envy worked like a dream for me.
[04:12] <BluesKaj> yes Alonea , I used envy on edgy but it crashed X on my sytem in feisty
[04:13] <Alonea> BluesKaj: did you get the latest version of envy thats for fiesty?
[04:13] <BluesKaj> haven't seen it
[04:13] <BluesKaj> Alberto Milone wrote an upgrade ?
[04:13] <Alonea> BluesKaj: that might be your problem then. I think albert labelled it as unstable, but I have not had any problems. Check his page
[04:14] <davor> what i need to read/write Mac OS Journal Partition?
[04:14] <Mr> I] 
[04:14] <Alonea> BluesKaj: yeah, there was an upgrade the day fiesty came out.
[04:15] <BluesKaj> Alonea, yeah that's the one that crashed my setup
[04:15] <Mr> I'm off to go try a few suggestions.  if I ever have anything to offer in the way of help I'll come back here and do what I can.  I'm just beginning though right now
[04:15] <BluesKaj> I upgraded to feisty on day one too
[04:15] <nathanjk> After breezy -> feisty dist-upgrade my System Settings no longer has a "Display Settings" icon for changing the display resolution (under General or Advanced tabs). Can someone confirm on their install that they do have such an icon on their setup?
[04:15] <Alonea> BluesKaj: did you actually go download his new version when you got fiesty?
[04:16] <Alonea> BluesKaj: the one that says its for fiesty/edgy?
[04:16] <BluesKaj> yes Alonea, I did ..it crashed while trying to install
[04:16] <ubuntu> my hdd went out in my laptop and it will be sometime before im able to purchase another, i was wondering if you could save/load settings off my server? I know it can be down via a thumbdrive but dont know if its possible via wireless network
[04:17] <Dragnslcr> nathanjk- check Monitor & Display
[04:17] <Alonea> BluesKaj: oh, ok. just clarifying. dunno what to tell you. I have installed it by hand before, which is hell. Did Envy report that it install ok, or were there problems during installation?
[04:18] <Xaero> When I try to install the ATI drivers and I get to this point: sudo m-a build,install fglrx-kernel (or module-assistant -f to force a rebuild if needed)
[04:18] <Xaero> It says install, what is install?
[04:18] <BluesKaj> no Alonea , it was the same message you saw ...unstable
[04:18] <nathanjk> Dragnslcr: This is a group or icon?  I don't see it anywhere. :(
[04:19] <Dragnslcr> General tab, Computer Administration
[04:19] <Dragnslcr> Monitor & Display is the third item from the left for me
[04:19] <Alonea> BluesKaj: not on his page, I mean, who you used it, did envy install the drivers ok and configure your xorg for you, or did it report something was wrong? I used the one labelled "
[04:19] <Alonea> BluesKaj:  "unstable" without any problems
[04:20] <nathanjk> my K menu -> System Settings -> General tab  has no such thing.  Personal, Look & Feel, Comp. Admin, Network & Connectivity groups.
[04:20] <BluesKaj> Alonea, no Envy crashed the system while I was trying to install it
[04:20] <nathanjk> Computer Administration group has Date and time, Keyboard and mouse, sound system, and printers.  That's it.
[04:20] <Dragnslcr> And what's in the Computer Administration group?
[04:20] <Dragnslcr> Well that's certainly weird
[04:21] <BluesKaj> i didn't bother reporting , since alberto says it's unstable
[04:21] <nathanjk> Well, at least I know for certain something's amiss.
[04:21] <Dragnslcr> Missing monitor settings and user management
[04:22] <nathanjk> I suppose it is a .desktop file somewhere under ~/.kde   Would a 'find ~/.kde -name "*Monitor*"' show anything on your system?
[04:22] <Jucato> nathanjk: try reinstalling the package "kde-guidance"
[04:22] <nathanjk> Jucato: is the best way to reinstall "apt-get remove" "apt-get install" ? Or is there a "reinstall" shortcut?
[04:23] <Jucato> nathanjk: sudo apt-get install --reinstall kde-guidance
[04:23] <mysticmarks> How do i enable kaffine to play encrypted dvds? I looked for libs for css, and installed xine extra codecs, but still get a playback error.
[04:23] <Jucato> !dvd | mysticmarks
[04:23] <stdin> !dvd | mysticmarks
[04:24] <Jucato> :)
[04:24] <ubotu> mysticmarks: For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[04:24] <stdin> ooh, too slow
[04:24] <nathanjk> Jucato: doing so notes that it needs to install python-kde3 too, suggesting the original upgrade was borked.
[04:24] <intelikey> well i've writen a cli frontend for bc to simplify some of it's functionality.  anyone want to look and see what they think ?
[04:24] <Jucato> nathanjk: most probably
[04:24] <stdin> intelikey: I'll take a look
[04:24] <intelikey> dcc ok ?
[04:25] <LinkCanabico>  mysticmarks  libdvdcss
[04:25] <nathanjk> Jucato: it finished, but still no change.  Do you think it needs a kde restart?
[04:25] <mysticmarks> what is !dvd?
[04:25] <stdin> intelikey: see if my router lets it go
[04:25] <Alonea> BluesKaj: oh? so you never even got envy installed? Did you try uninstalling the old envy first?
[04:25] <Jucato> mysticmarks: see what the bot (ubotu) displayed
[04:26] <nathanjk> Jucato: Actually, no it didn't finish, sorry.
[04:26] <intelikey> just a sec let me kill iptables    or dumb it's rules.
[04:26] <Alonea> mysticmarks: when ! followed by certain key words, the bot in this channel will display certain information either in this channel or a private message depending on how the person typed it in
[04:28] <mysticmarks> Is this the same process in Kubuntu vs. ubuntu?
[04:28] <mysticmarks> im new to kde
[04:28] <Jucato> mysticmarks: basically, yes
[04:28] <BluesKaj> yes Alonea , there are warnings about that , I did uninstall the previous version
[04:29] <nathanjk> Jucato: kudos+++  your advice worked exactly.  Now I have Monitor & Display and User Management icons again.    Thanks!
[04:29] <Jucato> nathanjk: you're welcome++++ :D
[04:29] <Alonea> BluesKaj: ok. just checking. wonder what caused it to crash.
[04:30] <nathanjk> (Problem with success is questions keep coming :):  Any idea about Win+<key> shortcuts no longer working in Amarcok?
[04:30] <Jucato> no idea...
[04:31] <nathanjk> I'm guessing maybe xorg.conf has input messed somehow so  win key isn't read, but I'll have to poke around.  Thanks anyway.
[04:31] <omer__> hello all, beginner linux here, am trying to install the green leaf theme ( which i beleive requires domino 0.4) , but am experiencing difficulties , can anyone help ?
[04:32] <intelikey> well you got it.
[04:33] <nathanjk> omer_: I have no experience with that, but if you post the exact problem your getting stuck with it might help.
[04:33] <omer__> i've downloaded the greenleaf ' tarball ' file, and the DOMINO style
[04:33] <intelikey> so i guess it was just perfect timming on the last try.
[04:33] <stdin> (yet) :)
[04:33] <intelikey> heh.
[04:34] <intelikey> i make no promices about that thing.  only that it !worksforme     :)
[04:35] <intelikey> i am curious if the changes in bash from this version to that one will affect it though
[04:35] <BluesKaj> what's the upgrade command from one distro to the next ? ...I may upgrade to fesity in the near future when i'm sure all my favs like google earth etc will work with my crappy ati hardware.
[04:37] <intelikey> apt.*[-get|itude]  update/distupgrade   if you can parse that
[04:37] <Jucato> stdin: are you on port 8001 in IRC?
[04:37] <Jucato> omer__: you need to install Domino first
[04:38] <nathanjk> BluesKaj: maybe there's a better way, but I just disabled all non-official repos in /etc/apt/sources.list, then changed all dapper/edgy/etc. -> feisty.  Then 'sudo apt-get dist-upgrade'
[04:38] <BluesKaj> I have a text file that i use as a reference for the cli cmnds
[04:38] <stdin> Jucato: hmm, no, thought I changed that
[04:38] <nathanjk> BluesKaj: I've seen Ubuntu has a nice GUI for this but never saw Kubuntu equivalent.
[04:38] <Jucato> stdin: anyway, konvi (svn) doesn't hate dcc, but port 8001 does... that's afaik
[04:39] <BluesKaj> yeah, nathanjk...I noticed that
[04:39] <intelikey> any you are the networking guru Jucato   :)
[04:39] <stdin> ?
[04:39] <stdin> opps
[04:39] <[Relic] > Hello :)
[04:40] <Jucato> nathanjk: Kubuntu has a nice GUI upgrade tool starting feisty. it doesn't require you to manually change anything in your sources.list
[04:40] <stdin> intelikey: doesn't dcc open it's own port?
[04:40] <davor> how can I do when I connect a external hard disk automount it...
[04:40] <intelikey> no
[04:40] <Pauluow> algum brasileiro aew?
[04:40] <Jucato> !br | Pauluow
[04:40] <ubotu> Pauluow: Por favor use #ubuntu-br ou #ubuntu-pt  para ajuda em portugus. Obrigado.
[04:40] <nathanjk> Jucato, so pre-feisty what I described is best available then... ?
[04:41] <Jucato> nathanjk: I meant that if you're on Edgy and trying to upgrade to feisty, you will be able to use that gui upgrade tool.
[04:41] <Jucato> (but I've heard not so successful reports about it)
[04:41] <intelikey> stdin sends dirrect client to client via the irc network.   as far as i know that means proxies off of the server to connect the two.  not that it is a "true" p2p
[04:41] <nathanjk> Ah, ok. I was on dapper, so that explains why I didn't see it. :)
[04:41] <sparr> the only thing worse than proprietary video drivers is proprietary video drivers that cost $160
[04:42] <Jucato> nathanjk: hm... you can't dist-upgrade from dapper to feisty directly
[04:42] <cabled> ok i got more info on the keyboard problem
[04:42] <intelikey> anyone with concrete information can correct me on that.
[04:42] <nathanjk> Oh?  That's what I did.
[04:42] <Jucato> stdin: reconnected to port 6667? :D
[04:42] <intelikey> Jucato can't or shouldn't ?   but i'll stay out of that one.
[04:43] <zoohouse> Hello everyone
[04:43] <Jucato> intelikey: hm.. of course "shouldn't"... because, while he technically and philosophically "can", it doesn't meant it will end up nicely
[04:43] <stdin> hmm, I'm crashing a lot today
[04:43] <Jucato> :)
[04:43] <nathanjk> I suppose it could explain the problem I had with kde-guidance
[04:43] <stdin> Jucato: yeah
[04:43] <stdin> Jucato: but that's after a crash :p
[04:43] <Jucato> hehe :)
[04:44] <cabled> from the X log file "xinput adding extended input device keyboard ... next line  ... from config option device /dev/input/wacom ... next line .. error xf86openserial cannot open device /dev/input/wacom....
[04:45] <cabled> where would the "from config" file be located and how can i change the device...since ita wrong
[04:45] <intelikey> cabled you can safely disreguard all "wacom" messages.  that's programed that way by default, incase you have a wacom device
[04:45] <intelikey> !wacom
[04:45] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about wacom - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:45] <Jucato> !baddevice
[04:45] <ubotu> If you are receiving an error similar to "X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 168", it can be safely ignored. If you want to get rid of the error messages then please visit this page: http://seerofsouls.com/wiki/How-Tos/BadDeviceErrors
[04:46] <cabled> problem i i have no kbd on that user
[04:46] <cabled> so i cant even edit it there ill have to vnc in
[04:46] <intelikey> cabled it's in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[04:46] <cabled> k
[04:46] <intelikey> but i more tend to think the problem would be in the users home dir if it's user specific
[04:47] <omer__> goodnight all
[04:47] <intelikey> what i'd like to know is where these  "[17180588.680000]  PPP: VJ uncompressed error "  keep comming from.
[04:47] <cabled> it works to log in/on then the firewall kicks in and wants root pass to start...thats where i cant type or anywhere else for that matter
[04:48] <nathanjk> night omer, your problem fixed?
[04:48] <cabled> i did switch user last time i was here and when i went to switch back i could type password
[04:48] <intelikey> firewall starts after you login ????????
[04:48] <cabled> yeah
[04:48] <cabled> firestarter
[04:49] <intelikey> that's dumb as a box of rocks.   any changes to iptables should be done by init at boot time.
[04:50] <zoohouse> files and dir's on my desktop have this strange shadow when I started the computer. Why is that? The shadow is on the file name area...
[04:50] <bobstro> intelikey:  i agree on that. firestarter *used* to fire up in init.
[04:50] <intelikey> Jucato please tell me that firestarter is not using his home dir for it's configs and running from there ?
[04:51] <intelikey> bobstro but now ?     have they changed it ?
[04:51] <cabled> im not sure where its running from
[04:51] <bobstro> intelikey:  seems so, unless it was launched via kdesu before?
[04:51] <Jucato> intelikey: I would if I even knew how to use it :D
[04:51] <bobstro> intelikey:  i do know it worked just fine on ... dapper or so.
[04:51] <cabled> it auto loads then asks for pass
[04:52] <cabled> no pass no run
[04:52] <nathanjk> zoohouse: it's only on dekstop, or also other konqueror windows?
[04:52] <zoohouse> nathanjk: ill check now, one sec
[04:52] <cabled> but i gotta get the kbd working first
[04:52] <bobstro> there is something funny about it dropping the firewall when you log out.
[04:52] <zoohouse> nathanjk: same files look fine in konqueror
[04:53] <cabled> obly time i log out is power off
[04:53] <intelikey> cabled what you are describing is a user-land script/app     no way would i trust that if i actually needed a firewall.
[04:53] <nathanjk> zoohouse: You're on feisty?
[04:53] <cabled> firewall is least of my problems i need to be able to type
[04:53] <bobstro> intelikey:  the old version actually created a script called in init that was decent. i haven't played with the new yet to figure out what's up.
[04:53] <zoohouse> nathanjk: 7.04
[04:54] <intelikey> bobstro please do.    cause that needs fixed.
[04:54] <bobstro> intelikey:  a quick google shows this - http://www.fs-security.com/docs/persistence.php
[04:54] <bobstro> intelikey:  apparently fs itself can do it.
[04:55] <stdin> intelikey: nice script, that may come in useful
[04:55] <intelikey> cabled you probably can if you'll hit   alt+sysRQ+R
[04:55] <kalorin`> http://www.beigebinary.com/what-if-linux-distros-were-women
[04:55] <kalorin`> I laughed VERY hard
[04:55] <cabled> eh?
[04:55] <intelikey> stdin ty.   feel free to post it some place if you like.
[04:56] <davor> the generic kernel supports HFS partition to write?
[04:56] <jlilly> Alonea: Hey. sorry for the delay, I was at work... I've finished downloading it now and I'm going to try it in just a second. PM me if you want to talk about it.
[04:57] <factotum> wow, this is the first time ive used kde since slackware 9, waaay better now! wow!!
[04:58] <ses1959_> question on epson scanner if anyone has an answer
[04:58] <BluesKaj> hmmm the upgrade tool doesn't show after i'm instructed close adept
[04:58] <bobstro> intelikey:  ok, if i run it as a user, thereafter /etc/init.d/firestarter start sets up empty tables. if i gksudo it, it works. haven't verified with a reboot yet, but it changed.
[04:58] <bobstro> intelikey:  by default, it seems to give the impression of a firewall.
[04:58] <LinkCanabico> ses1959 whats the prob?
[04:58] <intelikey> bobstro yeah that page doesn't really shed any light on how the ubuntu team set up the latest version tho.
[04:58] <intelikey> bobstro hmmmm
[04:58] <bobstro> intelikey:  oh, i know. just used it to verify i wasn't blowing smoke.
[04:58] <ses1959_> lsusb and sane-find-scanner both see the scanner
[04:59] <factotum> now i just need to figure out how to work this beryl settings manager
[04:59] <stdin> intelikey: tho on './dec2hex -h' I got "./dec2hex: line 18: dec2hex: command not found" with the help message
[04:59] <nathanjk> zoohouse: I don't have any great ideas. (I'm not experienced with it, but I'm guessing desktop icons are not drawn by konqueror or kicker, but something else, with different settings.)
[04:59] <`> mount
[04:59] <bobstro> intelikey:  it's actually decent once set up properly. easily understood.
[04:59] <ses1959_> lsusb shows this Bus 002 Device 002: ID 04b8:012d Seiko Epson Corp
[04:59] <stdin> intelikey: and you could replace all the "`basename $0`" with a variable too :)
[04:59] <zoohouse> nathanjk: prob yea
[05:00] <ses1959_> but sane nor gimp or scanimage -L show there is a scanner
[05:00] <intelikey> stdin yeah.   i know it could be shortened.    i just wrote...   if you want me to refine it give a day or two.
[05:00] <LinkCanabico> ses1959 try starting xsane as root
[05:00] <ses1959_> have tried to load all the backend i could find
[05:01] <intelikey> bobstro so is it running in user-land by default ?
[05:01] <LinkCanabico> ses1959 as root or as user?
[05:02] <ses1959_> just ran xsane from command window and input device 167 error
[05:02] <stdin> intelikey: I may have at it, I love my scripts to be "elegant", plus it wouldn't have to have so many sub-processes too
[05:02] <LinkCanabico> try sudo xsane
[05:02] <ses1959_> major opcode 144
[05:02] <intelikey> bobstro or is init handeling it by default ?       or can you tell ?
[05:03] <ses1959_> was running sudo xsane
[05:03] <intelikey> stdin knock your self out.   it's free  :)
[05:03] <ses1959_> failed to open device erro
[05:03] <nathanjk> Zoohouse: my desktop icons look like http://spicycrypto.ca/snapshot1.png
[05:03] <LinkCanabico> sorry to tell but then its out of my leage
[05:03] <LinkCanabico> Sorry
[05:04] <ses1959_> thank you
[05:04] <ses1959_> i have now tried something i had tried before
[05:04] <intelikey> stdin i can't duplicate that error
[05:04] <ses1959_> will google the device error code 167
[05:04] <bobstro> intelikey:  i just rebooted. after running it as root, it's starting in init.
[05:05] <BenPA> hi alll ... I  am trying to resize my swap ... I am using qtparted .... I resized my partition but not sure it is working
[05:05] <bobstro> intelikey:  i need to test on another machine to confirm, but that's my take on it so far.
[05:05] <zoohouse> nathanjk: I know, that is how it is supposed to look like
[05:05] <stdin> intelikey: I think i see why, " yelds:$(`basename` 111)" only works if it's "installed" :)
[05:05] <LinkCanabico> ses1959 one last question is your scanner suported?
[05:05] <stdin> !baddevice | ses1959_
[05:05] <ubotu> ses1959_: If you are receiving an error similar to "X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 168", it can be safely ignored. If you want to get rid of the error messages then please visit this page: http://seerofsouls.com/wiki/How-Tos/BadDeviceErrors
[05:05] <bobstro> intelikey:  i wonder if it sets up differently under kubuntu and ubuntu?
[05:05] <Jok3rs> /notice Moparisthebest  Hello, can you answer my pm????
[05:05] <intelikey> stdin ah yes  must be in the path.   i add  ./  to my path by default....
[05:06] <bobstro> intelikey:  under gnome, it does run as root.
[05:06] <Jok3rs> kk
[05:06] <Jok3rs> kkkk
[05:06] <intelikey> bobstro i couldn't begin to guess on taht
[05:06] <intelikey> that
[05:06] <nathanjk> zoohouse: did you try messing with Sysstem Settings -> Look'n'Feel -> Appearance -> Fonts ?
[05:06] <BenPA> hi alll ... I  am trying to resize my swap ... I am using qtparted .... I resized my partition but not sure it is working
[05:06] <zoohouse> nathanjk: ill try that later
[05:06] <zoohouse> thanks a lot
[05:06] <nathanjk> np
[05:07] <bobstro> intelikey:  now, when i quit the firewall (not stop it), the iptables remain.
[05:07] <stdin> intelikey:  all you would need is "yelds:$($0 111)" to fix that
[05:07] <bobstro> intelikey:  not trying to bother you with this. you seemed interested. are you in contact with team or something?
[05:07] <intelikey> bobstro as it should
[05:07] <intelikey> bobstro yes, you are not bothering me.
[05:08] <intelikey> stdin i started to say the same to you but was answering bobstro insted   heh
[05:08] <bobstro> intelikey:  yeah, it makes sense how it works now. problem is, until i did that, it said "running" and cleared the tables when i quit. i think it should force users to create a policy on first run, but it doesn't seem to.
[05:08] <bobstro> intelikey:  false sense of security.
[05:08] <stdin> intelikey: you're busy with real support, I'm just tinkering now :)
[05:09] <BenPA> hi alll ... I  am trying to resize my swap ... I am using qtparted .... I resized my partition but not sure it is working
[05:09] <intelikey> bobstro indeed
[05:09] <BluesKaj> no upgrade tool, it doesn't launch :) yeah, feisty is ready for prime time alright
[05:09] <hitmanWilly> BenPA: sudo fdisk -l should tell you
[05:09] <intelikey> bobstro but you have confirmed that it is called by init/upstart by default on a feisty system    yes ?
[05:09] <lespea> BluesKaj: what's your problem? what doesn't launch?
[05:10] <BluesKaj> the edgy to deisty upgrade tool
[05:10] <bobstro> intelikey:  on a sample of one, yes. the init script was always there. just the policy was empty until i ran it as root.
[05:10] <BluesKaj> feisty
[05:10] <bobstro> intelikey:  not sure what would happen if i put a policy in before.
[05:10] <Pollywog> !ssl > pollywog
[05:10] <bobstro> intelikey:  but i was nekkid until i did that (well, would have been if not for my other firewalls).
[05:11] <BluesKaj> the upgrade tool is supposed to lauch from adept when one chooses to upgrade , but it doesn't , the dialog box disappears and that's it.
[05:11] <jm9206755> Hey everyone. I was working on getting WoW installed under Wine and each time I put in another CD for the install it would pull up a window asking me what to do for each one. So I told it to do nothing and then set that as my default by clicking the little box in that window. I intended for it to still automount the CD and just wait without taking any further action automatically.  But now it doesn't mount the CD at all and I am having troub
[05:11] <jm9206755> le getting it to work again.
[05:12] <nathanjk> BluesKaj: Try launching adept from a konsole and seeing if there are any helpful messages printed when this happens.
[05:13] <intelikey> bobstro it should,  because the normal process that creates the init scripts is the install scripts in the package itself  thus  dpkg does it.  and that would preclude any de or wm affecting it.   also if (and i assume that it does) dpkg adds the initscript then it will not wait for a login to start and no passwd will be required.    thus the issue the user was describing is probably a startup script/link in his ~/.kde/auto
[05:14] <strabes> is there to tell what the speed of my ram is in kubuntu? If it's 533 or 667 mhz?
[05:14] <intelikey> did that post turncate ?   or end with "removed."  ?
[05:14] <bobstro> intelikey:  well to be clear -- i'd installed it previously (this is a new box) and hadn't touched it. as we spoke, i launched it and checked iptables, rules were there. when i quit, they were gone (policy allow).
[05:15] <nathanjk> Jm92*: sorry not sure where this setting is
[05:15] <bobstro> intelikey: when i changed the policy (ran the wizard), it "took". so by default, it seems to load, but not put in protection until the user either does the wizard or puts in a policy.
[05:15] <bobstro> intelikey:  just very easy to confuse.
[05:15] <intelikey> bobstro so you are saying it dump'd the rules when you closed the app ?
[05:15] <bobstro> intelikey:  yes.
[05:15] <intelikey> k  yes.
[05:16] <bobstro> intelikey:  it does run as root (ubuntu/gnome) so running the wizard seemed to be the 'fix'.
[05:16] <bobstro> intelikey:  having done that, it keeps  the rules.
[05:16] <miken> is anyone familiar with setting up GRUB to boot from a RAID 1 array?
[05:17] <miken> I keep getting Error 17's
[05:17] <intelikey> yes   ok.     that's normal behaviour.          and i do agree that there is a degree of false security there.
[05:17] <davor> how can i write a hfs partition?
[05:17] <BenPA> hitmanwilly I am getting a message "partition table entries are not in order"
[05:18] <bobstro> intelikey:  yes, it makes sense, but is not intuitive. impression is "ive got a firewall". it should perhaps force the wizard or put in a default "secure" configuration and warning?
[05:18] <BenPA> hitmanwilly I am getting a message "partition table entries are not in disk order"
[05:18] <intelikey> miken raid 1    eeek.   no i'm not.   but you may have to add a small boot partition that is not raid'd   cause the error 17 as i recall is "can't read the fs"
[05:19] <hitmanWilly> BenPA: hmmm...dont know that one, im guessing it means that the applicable partitions aren't in the right order
[05:19] <intelikey> bobstro normal for kde would be a "first run" wizard.
[05:19] <miken> intelikey: yea thats the error, im not to familair with raid, so i thought i would give it a shot, didnt work :)
[05:19] <Alonea> how do I mount an iso in linux?
[05:19] <hitmanWilly> BenPA: ie hda1 comes after hda2 on the disk or some such thing
[05:19] <BenPA> my system is really slow not sure what the problem is
[05:20] <bobstro> intelikey:  perhaps force that to happen?
[05:20] <hitmanWilly> Alonea: mount with loopback -o option
[05:20] <BenPA> no, the other way
[05:20] <lespea> Alonea: mkdir whatever;sudo mount -t loop {file} {folder}
[05:20] <intelikey> miken i'm not telling you it can't work.  only that i can't help you with it, for lack of knowledge in the "raid" world.
[05:20] <lespea> i think... or is it -o
[05:20] <lespea> :/
[05:20] <hitmanWilly> !iso
[05:20] <ubotu> To mount an ISO disc image, type  sudo mount -o loop <ISO-filename> <mountpoint>  - There is a list of useful cd image conversion tools at http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/CD_Image_Conversion - Always verify the ISO using !MD5 before !burning.
[05:20] <hitmanWilly> :)
[05:21] <lespea> :(
[05:21] <Alonea> lespea: ok, -t or -o? @@
[05:21] <miken> intelikey: just found an old mailing list entry on google showing how to do it
[05:21] <lespea> botowned
[05:21] <lespea> -o
[05:21] <lespea> my bad
[05:21] <Alonea> lespea: ok. whats the loop thing mean?
[05:21] <intelikey> bobstro like the first run wizard that runs to setup kde when you login to kde the first time.
[05:21] <lespea> loopback
[05:22] <Alonea> so, sudo mount file.iso -o /to/this/folder/ ?
[05:22] <BenPA> how do I switch the order?
[05:22] <intelikey> miken if you get it working smoothly.  and don't care to help a little you can add a post on the wiki.
[05:22] <BenPA> put hda2 first
[05:22] <intelikey> !grub | miken
[05:22] <ubotu> miken: grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[05:22] <bobstro> intelikey:  exactly. ah, now maybe that's part of it. firestarter is gnome, no? i installed kubuntu initially. isn't there a 'preferred' kde firewall?
[05:22] <lespea> Alonea: no, sudo mount -o loop file.iso /to/this/folder
[05:22] <intelikey> on the second link preferably ^
[05:23] <Alonea> lespea: ok. thanks. I got you now.
[05:23] <lespea> Alonea: :)
[05:23] <cabled> ack ok that didnt work
[05:23] <LinkCanabico> Hi all can someone try to convince me to switch to Kubuntu im now on fedora Kde but the fedora comunity is always flameing everybody so in thinking of a change
[05:23] <lespea> apt
[05:23] <intelikey> bobstro i don't think firestarter is gnome gtk based is it ?   maybe i'm wrong i'll check
[05:23] <ChuckNorrisTroll> I am Chuck Norris.
[05:23] <lespea> LinkCanabico: apt
[05:24] <bobstro> LinkCanabico:  ubuntu isn't flameproof, but a good distribution.
[05:24] <lespea> LinkCanabico: anything else ;)
[05:24] <cabled> imho anything is better than redhate
[05:24] <BenPA> hitmanwilly ... how do I switch the order?
[05:24] <miken> LinkCanabico: Do you want to be a part of a community that acts like that :)
[05:24] <LinkCanabico> if i change can i trust you to help me?
[05:24] <lespea> miken: ?
[05:25] <hitmanWilly> BenPA: not sure, never had to do it myself...
[05:25] <lespea> miken: nvm
[05:25] <LinkCanabico> miken realy good point
[05:25] <BenPA> hmmmm
[05:25] <intelikey> bobstro it does seem to depend on gconf2 and a few gnomish things.  but not gtk
[05:25] <lespea> LinkCanabico: the first step is easy, just sudo rm -rf /
[05:25] <lespea> LinkCanabico: :p
[05:25] <hitmanWilly> LinkCanabico: well, you won't get flamed around here, unless you ask for it :)
[05:25] <intelikey> so i don't guess i know.
[05:26] <BenPA> ok, anyone know how to switch disk order?
[05:26] <Pollywog> BenPA in BIOS?
[05:26] <LinkCanabico>  hitmanWilly no prob about that
[05:26] <Jucato> lespea: please don't say things like that
[05:26] <Pollywog> if you mean boot order
[05:26] <intelikey> hitmanWilly do you have firestarter installed ?   and if so did it come with kubuntu-desktop ?   or do you know ?
[05:26] <cabled> i manually installed mine
[05:26] <ChuckNorrisTroll> LinkCanabico: Would you liked to be trolled?
[05:26] <Jucato> LinkCanabico: please do not run "sudo rm -rf /" (lespea was joking, but it's not a good joke)
[05:27] <LinkCanabico> does kubunto have a torrent for the 64bit version? if so were?
[05:27] <bobstro> intelikey:  i'm fairly certain i had to specify it for both.
[05:27] <hitmanWilly> intelikey: yes i use it, and no i had to apt it
[05:27] <intelikey> hitmanWilly ok.  ty
[05:27] <hitmanWilly> np
[05:27] <moparisthebest> is it possible to make a new user account that is not able to view anything outside of its home directory?
[05:27] <BenPA> no, pollywog my /dev/hda1 is start 7281 end 7295 and /devhda2 is start 1 end 3509
[05:27] <lespea> Jucato: my bad
[05:27] <LinkCanabico> Jucato dont wory im no newbie at least not total LOL
[05:27] <Pollywog> oh
[05:27] <ChuckNorrisTroll> moparisthebest: You must be kidding.
[05:28] <ChuckNorrisTroll> moparisthebest: Unless you don't want to do anything.
[05:28] <Pollywog> well I have been using Linux for almost 10 yrs and I am still green
[05:28] <intelikey> bobstro ok then.   that pretty much settels that, it's not gnome nor kde  but does depend on a few gconf+deps
[05:28] <lespea> Jucato: it appeared to me that he was not a noob; but I won't take a chance I suppose
[05:28] <Jucato> LinkCanabico: http://www.kubuntu.org/download.php choose a mirror near you and you'll be directed to a page with links for the downloads
[05:28] <BenPA> lol ok there has to be someone who knows
[05:28] <bobstro> intelikey:  i do wonder if it's called differently in the kde & gnome menus.
[05:29] <moparisthebest> just be able to run executables inside of thier home directory ChuckNorrisTroll, didnt know if that was possible or not
[05:29] <nickname> benpa: know what?
[05:29] <Pollywog> BenPA have you tried QTparted?
[05:29] <Pollywog> or gparted?
[05:29] <intelikey> doubt it.  menus are generated pretty genericly
[05:29] <cabled> is there a way to install new hardware?
[05:29] <Jucato> lespea: not just for LinkCanabico, but for other unwitting newbies that might have read your "joke" and tried it out
[05:29] <ChuckNorrisTroll> moparisthebest: That would never work. You can't be serious.
[05:29] <cabled> i mean kde gui type wizard
[05:29] <ChuckNorrisTroll> moparisthebest: Tell me how you are going to run /bin/sh?
[05:29] <BenPA> I have qtparted ... I was trying to change my swap size and ended up in this situation
[05:30] <intelikey> bobstro viola.
[05:30] <Jucato> moparisthebest: users need to be able to "read" config files that are outside of their home directory as well
[05:30] <intelikey> !firestarter | bobstro
[05:30] <ubotu> bobstro: Ubuntu, like any other linux distribution, has firewall capabilities built-in. The firewall is managed using the 'iptables' command (see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IptablesHowTo), or GUI applications such as Firestarter (Gnome) or Guarddog (KDE).
[05:30] <Pollywog> oic
[05:30] <moparisthebest> i just figured there was probably some predefined permission set that only allows users access to the bare minimum
[05:30] <ChuckNorrisTroll> Programs are put in the path, which is the likes of /bin/
[05:30] <lespea> Jucato: good point
[05:30] <Pollywog> !partitioning
[05:30] <intelikey> they do specify differently.
[05:30] <ubotu> Partitioning programs: !GParted or QTParted (also "man mkfs" for formatting) - Mounting partitions in Gnome under Dapper: System -> Administration -> Disks - For Edgy, see !fstab and !DiskMounter
[05:30] <nickname> benpa: which is?
[05:30] <lespea> Jucato: well, lesson learned
[05:30] <nomin> any mythtv users in here?  I'm only getting sound out of the left speaker.  Is the problem with mythtv or with the set recording source option?
[05:30] <cabled> !keyboards
[05:30] <ubotu> To find out how to switch your keyboard layout, See https://help.ubuntu.com/6.10/xubuntu/desktopguide/C/switch-keyboard-layout.html - See also !Shortcuts
[05:30] <ChuckNorrisTroll> You probably don't wwant users running programs in their home directory. Make the /home file system mount without allowing execution.
[05:30] <Jucato> what's a crect?
[05:31] <bobstro> intelikey: yeah, that's what i meant about the default for each. but having installed both kde and gnome, i'm wondering if it matters which firestarter is installed into?
[05:31] <Pollywog> corrected for dyslexics
[05:31] <Jucato> moparisthebest: what do you consider as "bare minimum"?
[05:31] <intelikey> bobstro no.  doesn't work that way
[05:31] <Jucato> Pollywog: oh
[05:31] <Jucato> :P
[05:31] <BenPA>  ... I  was trying to resize my swap ... I am using qtparted .... I resized my partition but not sure it is working then I got an error partion table entries are not in disk order
[05:31] <bobstro> intelikey:  i too was alarmed when i'd installed it but had no policy in place on boot.
[05:32] <LinkCanabico> one last question does the 64 bit version of firefox suport flash or am i beter of with 32 bit?
[05:32] <Jucato> LinkCanabico: there are ways to make flash and java work on 64bit...
[05:32] <moparisthebest> like no access to other user's home directories, and perhaps certain other directories?
[05:32] <Jucato> !flash64 | LinkCanabico
[05:32] <ubotu> LinkCanabico: You can run Flash, Real, and Java plugins in AMD64 bit computers with Firefox. see the steps to follow at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxAMD64FlashJava
[05:32] <Jucato> moparisthebest: no acces != can't read.
[05:32] <Pollywog> Jucato: specify
[05:33] <intelikey> bobstro you can mention it to one of the staff and see what they say if you like.   as for me i'm satisfied for now.   the issue the user was describing is not a "normal" thing.
[05:33] <moparisthebest> well, not being able to read other user's home directories
[05:33] <nickname> can you join #lobster and print a copy of the error,?
[05:33] <LinkCanabico> Jucato: ok thanks :) im downloading now
[05:33] <Jucato> moparisthebest: the default is that user can't modify (write) files outside their home directory
[05:33] <nickname> benpa: also can you access fstabs?
[05:33] <bobstro> intelikey:  you mean having installed firestarter into kde?
[05:33] <Jucato> moparisthebest: then you set your files to be unreadable by "others"
[05:33] <BenPA> how do I do that nickname
[05:33] <nathanjk> Night all.  Jucato, thanks again.
[05:33] <moparisthebest> ok, thanks Jucato
[05:33] <intelikey> bobstro no i mean having it start and ask for a password on each login.
[05:33] <Jucato> moparisthebest: remember file permissions have 3 sets: user/owner, group, and others
[05:33] <nickname> benpa: do what?
[05:34] <BenPA> access fstabs
[05:34] <Jucato> moparisthebest: if you set -r for "others", people who do not belong to the group who owns the files will not be able to read them
[05:34] <ChuckNorrisTroll> err, some ups aren't idle.
[05:34] <nickname> do you have file access?
[05:34] <ChuckNorrisTroll> I better /part
[05:34] <Pollywog> can BenPA fix his problem by editing fstab?
[05:35] <nickname> it is possible.
[05:35] <BenPA> I can if you tell me how
[05:35] <Pollywog> oic
[05:35] <nickname> dfepends on the error
[05:35] <intelikey> Pollywog what was his problem ?
[05:35] <Solurity> I'm using 7.0.4 and for some reason knetworkmanager won't start for me.. is this a common/known problem?
[05:35] <se7en> somebody know what lib i have to downloade for amarok transcode scipt?
[05:35] <Pollywog> I understood that gparted did not leave his partitions starting/ending in the right place
[05:35] <Pollywog> that has happened to me
[05:36] <Pollywog> qtparted
[05:36] <BenPA> the problem exist on my laptop which is right next to this computer
[05:36] <nickname> can you post the error?  I figure there is gonna be alot of text, so if you join #lobster can you type it there?
[05:36] <intelikey> Pollywog yuch....   no fstab wont fix that.
[05:36] <nickname> benpa: I see.  can you get it to boot to a shell?  what is your skill level?
[05:36] <LinkCanabico> good night all
[05:36] <Pollywog> k I did not think so
[05:37] <Pollywog> I think I ended up having to reinstall
[05:37] <Amerbadden> What a loop this KDE has thrown me for!
[05:37] <hitmanWilly> thats actual partition info on the MBR iirc
[05:37] <Amerbadden> OK...
[05:37] <Jucato> nickname: he can also use a pastebin instead
[05:37] <intelikey> Pollywog testdisk  maybe
[05:37] <nickname> polly: I didn't know that.  hrm, this happened to me once.
[05:37] <BenPA> I understand a lot but am still semi newbie ...
[05:37] <Pollywog> but I am not saying there is no way to fix it, I just did now know another way
[05:37] <Amerbadden> I have a few questions...
[05:37] <se7en> i need help with this error /amarok/scripts/transkode/transkode: error while loading shared libraries: libpng.so.3
[05:38] <Amerbadden> One: How do I stop my launch feedback from bouncing?
[05:38] <nickname> is your hard disk sata or pata (ide?)
[05:38] <BenPA> ide
[05:38] <intelikey> nickname testdisk  might not be a bad idea.   hope you have backed up all vital info already.
[05:38] <Jucato> Amerbadden: press Alt+F2, type in "kcontrol", go to Appearance & Themes -> Launch Feedback
[05:39] <nickname> thats good.  lets see.  there is a program I used to restore my old tables, but it was awhile ago.  let me research.
[05:39] <nickname> can you write a bootable cd from your main computer?
[05:39] <Pollywog> is there a good password manager other than pwmanager?
[05:40] <hitmanWilly> Pollywog: kwallet?
[05:40] <intelikey> passwd
[05:40] <intelikey> oh   nm
[05:40] <BenPA> nickname it's ok if I loose it all ... it's a test machine but it took me days to get to this point
[05:40] <Pollywog> no kwallet doesn't cut it for me
[05:40] <Pollywog> pwmanager has kwallet emulation if I need it
[05:40] <Amerbadden> Jucato: How can I have it show KControl by default? Do you know why it isn't shown by default?
[05:40] <intelikey> mozilla-psm
[05:40] <nickname> oh, in that case your hosed, wipe and start fresh.  why did it take you so long to get it to this point?
[05:40] <Pollywog> but I think it is no longer being developed
[05:41] <BenPA> I started with a cd on gnome then added kubuntu and added somethings
[05:41] <nickname> amerbaddden: just right click on system settings and change to kcontrol
[05:42] <Jucato> Amerbadden: because Kubuntu is using System Settings by default. It's almost the same as kcontrol, except with a different interface, different groupings, and some duplicated modules taken out
[05:42] <intelikey> Amerbadden cause they have to change something or they can't call it a new release  ?
[05:43] <Amerbadden> Jucato: OK...Though I don't agree with their reasoning...
[05:43] <nickname> amerbadden: doesn't seem like a days kind of list, but do yourself a favor and send yourself an email of your changes and addons, for if you have to do this again.
[05:43] <nickname> amerbaddden: oops I meant benpa
[05:44] <Amerbadden> Jucato: Mind helping me with my clock?
[05:44] <Jucato> Amerbadden: I haven't mentioned anything about their reasoning. so I presume you know what their reasoning is
[05:44] <BenPA> you fix this problem?
[05:44] <Jucato> Amerbadden: what about the clock?
[05:44] <Pollywog> I wonder whether Basket Notes can be sent to another machine running KDE
[05:44] <hatter> omg.  system freeze.  loud beep. no ping response. kubuntu.
[05:44] <BenPA> you mean how to fix this problem?
[05:45] <Pollywog> that would be like sending oneself an email
[05:45] <Amerbadden> Jucato: It uses a 24 hour time format...How can I change it to a twelve hour one?
[05:45] <nickname> if you really want to get into fixing this, I will find the program I used and walk you through it, but it was kind of hairy.  If that sounds like fun to you, I'm game.
[05:45] <Pollywog> BenPA: when it happened to me I backed up my important data and then reinstalled
[05:45] <Jucato> Amerbadden: right-click on the clock -> Time & Date Format
[05:46] <Jucato> Amerbadden: Time & Date tab -> TIme Format
[05:46] <nickname> other wise what i wrote to amer by mistake was this:
[05:46] <BenPA> it's ok because I have not added any important data to the computer yet
[05:46] <nickname> doesn't seem like a days kind of list, but do yourself a favor and send yourself an email of your changes and addons, for if you have to do this again.
[05:47] <stdin> intelikey: I made some modifications to the script if you want to have a look
[05:47] <nickname> beanpa:  I understand.  some people (like me) break stuff like that because it's fun to fix.  Sort of a masochistic streak
[05:47] <BenPA> it's ok nickname I am willing to try
[05:47] <intelikey> sure
[05:47] <nickname> benpa: alright let me find the prog.
[05:47] <nickname> benpa: brb
[05:47] <stdin> intelikey: dcc or pastebin?
[05:47] <BenPA> k
[05:47] <intelikey> stdin send it on
[05:47] <Amerbadden> Jucato: What do I do to render it into the twelve-hour format?
[05:48] <intelikey> i have no trubble getting if you can send
[05:48] <Jucato> Amerbadden: Time & Date tab -> TIme Format -> in the drop down list, choose the one with AMPM at the end
[05:48] <Jucato> Amerbadden: or use pH:MM:SS AMPM
[05:49] <stdin> intelikey: I haven't really changed the functionality of it
[05:49] <intelikey> stdin  you should change the version to 0.2.8 and rename it accordingly    :)
[05:49] <Amerbadden> Jucato: Thanks. One more question, ok?
[05:49] <stdin> intelikey: heh, yeah, or added a -stdin0 to it :)
[05:49] <Jucato> Amerbadden: sure
[05:50] <Amerbadden> Jucato: I want a shortcut to my home folder in my kmenu. What do I need to do to accomplish this?
[05:50] <Jucato> Amerbadden: right-click on the K Menu icon -> Menu Editor
[05:50] <ubunturos> Amerbadden: there's one in storage media, though
[05:51] <Jucato> Amerbadden: but don't you just want to use the System Menu applet on kicker
[05:51] <intelikey> stdin oh.  did you test with -s and nesting ?
[05:51] <ubunturos> (or the System Menu)
[05:51] <Jucato> Amerbadden: the one beside the K Menu that looks like a computer. click on it and you'll be presented with choices like Home Folder, Storage Media, etc
[05:52] <stdin> intelikey: yeah, seem to work
[05:52] <Jok3rs> kkkk
[05:52] <hatter> each time i change a video card in kubuntu feisty fawn, my xorg.conf file reverts (changes? overwrites?) to a single card version
[05:52] <hatter> not the version i had
[05:53] <intelikey> k   did for me but i was just making sure that the newer bash wouldn't break that.
[05:53] <hatter> hmmm, it gets copied to an xorg.conf file with a timestamp at the end of it
[05:54] <stdin> intelikey: yeah, reading from stdin (hehe) works, and so does -s
[05:54] <intelikey> yes.  good.   i could already pipe into it.
[05:55] <intelikey> wasn't concerned about reading from stdin cause bc does that by default
[05:55] <Jok3rs891> .nick Jok3rs
[05:55] <nickname> benpa: ok I found it.
[05:55] <BenPA> ok
[05:55] <Jok3rs> /notice moparisthebest are you here man
[05:56] <BluesKaj> hatter, it's prolly defaulting to the generic vesa driver , you may be able change it back in sytem settings, or you may have to run sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[05:56] <stdin> intelikey: seem it even works with #!/bin/sh here (just had to change "echo -e" to "/bin/echo -e"
[05:56] <Amerbadden> Jucato: OK. Thank you MUCHLY!
[05:56] <nickname> there are two different programs I cannot seem to remember which one of these two (there were originally seven, but I know it was one of these two).
[05:56] <Jucato> Amerbadden: you're welcome
[05:57] <BenPA> ok
[05:57] <intelikey> hmmm.  ok.   i'll keep that in mind.
[05:57] <lespea> stdin: you may want to use #!/bin/bash to avoid future problems
[05:57] <nickname> the first is acronis disk doctor, ( www.acronis.com ), it has a 15 day trial period, but will allow you to rebuild.
[05:57] <stdin> intelikey: sh just has a smaller footprint, and is probably more portable
[05:57] <hatter> BluesKaj: its not, its putting an ati driver which i had in 3 video cards ago, and wont get to the GUI, i have to ctrl-alt-f1 and change the driver in xorg.conf
[05:57] <stdin> lespea: huh?
[05:58] <nickname> the second (I really think this one was the one that did it) was www.ptdd.com
[05:58] <intelikey> stdin that means one could use other shells too.    dash is posix compliant
[05:58] <intelikey> PPP: VJ uncompressed error
[05:58] <BenPA> and the other?
[05:58] <intelikey> anyone have a clue what throws that error message ^ ?
[05:58] <nickname> partition disk doctor, it creates a bootable image and searches for the old partition table.  it works like a charm
[05:58] <intelikey> VJ uncompressed <<<  what's that ?
[05:59] <nickname> intellikey:uh is it ppp?
[05:59] <stdin> lespea: if it works with sh (dash) it will work with anything :)
[05:59] <intelikey> nickname don't be coy
[05:59] <lespea> stdin: instead of #!/bin/sh you should use #!/bin/bash
[05:59] <nickname> hehe!
[05:59] <BenPA> so which should I use and is the 2nd one free? or trial?
[05:59] <intelikey> i know it's ppp  but why ?
[05:59] <intelikey> what's causing it.
[05:59] <intelikey> ?
[06:00] <lespea> stdin: but different interpreters have different nuances -- so your script might break otherwise
[06:00] <nickname> use ptdd, it is cripple ware; it wont restore files, but it WILL rebuild your partitions.
[06:00] <intelikey> ipx protocol ?     why would i need ipx for only dialup ?
[06:01] <stdin> lespea: dash is posix compliant, so it should be fine, and not everyone has bash (and not always in /bin too)
[06:01] <BenPA> noname is there a website for it?
[06:02] <lespea> stdin: hmm...
[06:02] <BluesKaj> hatter, then you still have the ati-xorg-driver & source installed ...uninstall it from adept once you get X working again
[06:02] <hatter> BluesKaj: hey theres an idea,  do you think that could have conflicted with the mga driver ?
[06:03] <BluesKaj> very possible hatter
[06:03] <nickname> intellikey of course! it's the RFC 1144 `VJ' Van Jacobson TCP header compression
[06:03] <intelikey> well if google has a clue it may be my kernel.....
[06:03] <nickname> benpa: www.ptdd.com
[06:04] <nickname> intellikey: its a config option for slip w/ pppd
[06:04] <intelikey> nickname ?   kernel config option ?
[06:04] <underzr0> globeration
[06:05] <intelikey> i'm presently using the ubuntu 2.6.15-28-386   latest for dapper
[06:05] <nickname> pppd deamon try restarting the pppd with -novjcid  that should turn off compression, but I don't think that error is signifigant enough to fix
[06:06] <nickname> sorry, meant to say it's part of the pppd deamon
[06:06] <intelikey> ah i see.
[06:07] <intelikey> maybe enabling ipx protocol would fix it
[06:07] <nickname> maybe.  it has to do with the way the ppp handles slip connections
[06:08] <nickname> more info here: http://osdir.com/ml/network.poptop/2006-06/msg00099.html
[06:08] <nickname> and here: http://docs.hp.com/en/B9106-90007/pppd.1.html
[06:12] <ses1959_> question what does man sane mean after a make install
[06:13] <ses1959_> is this the manual for the program
[06:13] <hitmanWilly> yes
[06:13] <biovore> type man sane at a command prompt
[06:13] <intelikey> well i turned the ipx protocol back on,  we'll see if that fixes the error.
[06:13] <intelikey> ses1959_   man man
[06:13] <intelikey> so you will know how to use the man command
[06:13] <intelikey> or   man less
[06:13] <intelikey> at least
[06:14] <biovore> rtfm for the win..
[06:14] <nickname> intellikey: from what I read it drops network speed to something unusable when the error hits?
[06:14] <intelikey> nickname heh can't drop my network speed....
[06:14] <intelikey> there isn't any.
[06:14] <intelikey> :)
[06:14] <nickname> hey I just ran "sudo chmod -X" what do I do now?
[06:15] <nickname> J/k newbies do NOT attempt
[06:15] <kalorin`> ok
[06:15] <kalorin`> anyone had it where all the sudden the screensaver stuff just sort of doesn't work anymore?
[06:15] <nickname> not work how?
[06:16] <kalorin`> like it never kicks on
[06:16] <kalorin`> dpms doesn't seem to go
[06:16] <kalorin`> nothing
[06:16] <kalorin`> if I leave the screens on they'll be on tomorrow
[06:16] <nickname> does it run when you click test?
[06:16] <kalorin`> yeah
[06:17] <kalorin`> is there some daemon process that might be hung up in some inconsistent state?
[06:17] <nickname> what if you drop the time limit down to one minute?
[06:17] <kalorin`> xset shows the right timeouts
[06:17] <kalorin`> well yeah that's funny
[06:17] <nickname> I now, but at one minute you can sit and wait to see if it runs
[06:17] <kalorin`> ok I'll hang for a minute and see
[06:17] <nickname> thx
[06:18] <intelikey> kalorin you can  ps ax   and look for [defunct]  processes
[06:18] <nickname> anyone use a belkin wireless keyboard (model #f8e832)?
[06:19] <nickname> leileilol: flower flower laugh out loud?
[06:19] <kalorin`> interesting
[06:19] <leileilol> no
[06:19] <kalorin`> it kicked off to a blank screen after 1 minutes
[06:19] <leileilol> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lei-Lei + LOL
[06:20] <nickname> ? blank as in energy saver mode, or blank as in dark?
[06:20] <kalorin`> dark
[06:20] <kalorin`> like no screen saver selected kind of deal
[06:20] <pat5star> hi all, I'm new to kubuntu and love it far better than any other distro I've tried so far! I'm looking for a podcatcher and haven't found anything I like too much yet, any ideas?
[06:20] <kalorin`> nothing defunct int he ps list
[06:21] <compilerwriter> well intelikey I did the reinstall and now I am listening to my cds again.
[06:21] <kalorin`> I'm just not even really sure where to start looking at this one
[06:22] <intelikey> compilerwriter glad it's fixed.  hate that you had to reload to get there.
[06:22] <nickname> what screen saver/vid card/driver?
[06:22] <kalorin`> um...
[06:22] <compilerwriter> now intelikey if I could just figure out how in hell to get my Caps lock key and and Left control keys swapped.
[06:22] <intelikey> kalorin` one other thing.     beryl ?
[06:22] <kalorin`> ati x700 pro with ati's driver
[06:22] <kalorin`> no beryl
[06:22] <nickname> anyone try a kubuntu install on a fujitsu 3400 tablet PC?
[06:23] <kalorin`> Euphoria (GL) screensaver
[06:23] <compilerwriter> 7.04 is different than when I last did that.
[06:23] <kalorin`> kubuntu 6.10
[06:23] <kalorin`> with all teh updates
[06:23] <parth> my adept manager says you wont be able to add /modify  any packages due to some packages .i want to make some changes how do i do it
[06:23] <intelikey> compilerwriter heh.  i could do that console side  but as for the xkbd   i have no clue.
[06:23] <crimsun> compilerwriter: did you need something from me earlier?
[06:24] <nickname> did it ever work?
[06:24] <compilerwriter> I was trying to figure out what was wrong with my sound.
[06:24] <compilerwriter> I couldn't reach you and intelikey was as flummoxed as I so I did a fresh reinstall to get it sorted out.
[06:25] <nickname> parth: try sudo apt-get -f install
[06:25] <compilerwriter> Now Frederica von Stade is gracing my ears again.
[06:25] <nickname> kalorin`?
[06:26] <intelikey> nickname that might be one of the few places where  aptitude -f install    would be better...
[06:26] <compilerwriter> crimsun you can tell me how in blazes to swap my control key and my Caps lock key in 7.04 if you would.
[06:26] <intelikey> few (imo)
[06:26] <dsmith> when did 6.06 release come out?
[06:26] <nickname> how so? (curious, not defensive)
[06:26] <intelikey> dsmith hehe
[06:26] <crimsun> compilerwriter: you can configure that in kde system settings
[06:27] <crimsun> compilerwriter: I don't use kde, so I don't know the precise steps offhand
[06:27] <compilerwriter> That is what I though crimsun, but I can't seem to find it.
[06:27] <intelikey> nickname they claim better deps resolution   but actually just because it will sujest one corse of action and if you say NO it will fall back to another possable fix   if there are any.
[06:28] <intelikey> nickname thus giving the user more choices on how to fix the issue at hand.
[06:28] <nickname> intelikey: O'rly? I will remember that, and look into more aptitiude use.
[06:28] <dsmith> 1 june 2006
[06:29] <kalorin`> [00:30]  <nickname> kalorin`?
[06:29] <kalorin`> it blanked the screen but didn't start the screen saver
[06:29] <kalorin`> trying again
[06:29] <parth> how do i add splash image to grub
[06:30] <intelikey> nickname yeah.  i don't normally recomment aptitude cause,  well i hate the interface.  but with   the  install -f  switches it does have it's place.
[06:30] <kalorin`> i set it not to start automatically and then applied then back
[06:30] <kalorin`> 1 minute timer
[06:30] <parth> thanks nickname
[06:30] <kalorin`> then i need to head to bed
[06:30] <kalorin`> grrr, shouldn't be typing
[06:30] <intelikey> nickname you have seen/ran   "aptitude "   no args havent you ?
[06:31] <nickname> intelikey: nope.
[06:31] <nickname> intelikey: oh. yes
[06:31] <nickname> intelikey: now
[06:31] <intelikey> well nough said.
[06:32] <kalorin`> well there you go again
[06:32] <nickname> parth: grub images go into /boot/grub/splashimages
[06:32] <kalorin`> still just black it out, but doesn't start the screen saver
[06:32] <kalorin`> nor does it seem to do dpms
[06:33] <nickname> kalorin: can you try the banner screensaver (it's non GL
[06:34] <intelikey> !screensaver
[06:34] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about screensaver - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:34] <intelikey> !xscreensaver
[06:34] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about xscreensaver - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:34] <intelikey> well poo
[06:35] <nickname> i like the bot.  and you just bang on it?
[06:35] <nickname> !ubotu
[06:35] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[06:35] <compilerwriter> Finally found it.  I was hidden in the Regions and Languages instead of with the keyboard stuff.  sheesh.  I need a drink now.  Barkeep scotch for intelikey and me.
[06:35] <stdin> intelikey: howcome you say the user should install in ~/bin but have it install to .scripts?
[06:36] <kalorin`> ok 1 minute banner
[06:36] <intelikey> stdin that's ~/bin/.scripts    all the symlinks will be in  ~/bin
[06:36] <parth> can anyone tell me how how do i configure my monitor
[06:37] <parth> right now it says vesa
[06:37] <parth> mine is lg 563n
[06:37] <intelikey> stdin what do you have against if statements ?
[06:37] <parth> also the graphics card is selected as vesa
[06:37] <parth> mine is intel 845
[06:37] <kalorin`> smae same
[06:37] <stdin> intelikey: heh, nothing, I just like case when it has a use, it can be more flexable
[06:37] <kalorin`> blank screen no screensaver
[06:37] <nickname> parth: as far as grub boot image also look at this: http://ruslug.rutgers.edu/~mcgrof/grub-images/#1.1
[06:37] <kalorin`> I wonder if there's already one running that might have left a .lock or something
[06:38] <intelikey> !xorg | parth
[06:38] <ubotu> parth: The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type  sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[06:38] <hatter> how do i get back to a command prompt from kde so that no x server is running ?
[06:38] <intelikey> stdin maybe.   i use case a lot anymore  but i can do anything with if  that i can do with case
[06:39] <nickname> kalorin: hrm.  shouldn't happen after a reboot then?
[06:39] <intelikey> hatter see the ubotu links ^
[06:39] <stdin> intelikey: like if you want a partial match, eg math*) (for the math-0.2.8 script and math symlink)
[06:39] <intelikey> hatter basicly kill kdm   assuming you use that broke thing
[06:40] <hatter> intelikey: ctl alt backspace takes me back to the login screen
[06:40] <stdin> intelikey: and what if the user has the script in ~, you don't actually look for ~/bin ?
[06:40] <intelikey> hatter i never said use that.  that only resets.  doesn't affect kdm
[06:41] <nickname> :kalorin`
[06:41] <intelikey> stdin correct.   i put.  should install in ~/bin   because that's normally in the path.  they can put it anyplace they like
[06:41] <kalorin`> heh
[06:41] <kalorin`> it locked hard
[06:41] <kalorin`> mouse would move, keyboard was locked out
[06:42] <kalorin`> numlock didn't even flash
[06:42] <kalorin`> nice
[06:42] <kalorin`> teach me to play iwth the screensaver too much
[06:42] <nickname> kalorin: ?  try this:
[06:42] <nickname>  had the same problem using Kubuntu Edgy. It has been solved just activating Power Saving. That is: K -> System Settings -> Monitor & Display -> Power saving Check Enable power saving and set Switch off monitor after a longer time than the screen saver.
[06:42] <nickname> Reply With Quote
[06:42] <hatter> if i kill kdm then i get a kubuntu logo then a flashing cursor in the top left and nothing else.
[06:42] <nickname> forget the quote part
[06:42] <intelikey> hatter if you need a command.   sudo killall kdm
[06:43] <nickname> intelikey: I need a command!
[06:43] <intelikey> hatter    sudo /etc/init.d/?dm stop
[06:43] <kalorin`> nick
[06:43] <intelikey> nickname for ?
[06:43] <nickname> yo
[06:43] <kalorin`> yeah xset is always wrong
[06:43] <kalorin`> I ended up setting the xset commands in my .bashrc
[06:43] <kalorin`> perhaps I should go to 7.04
[06:43] <kalorin`> ?
[06:44] <nickname> wait, what is up with xset?
[06:44] <kalorin`> DPMS (Energy Star):
[06:44] <kalorin`>   Standby: 0    Suspend: 900    Off: 1200
[06:44] <kalorin`>   DPMS is Enabled
[06:44] <kalorin`>   Monitor is On
[06:44] <kalorin`> i set that in my .bashrc
[06:44] <kalorin`> if I don't they're all set to 32768 or wahtever teh highest number is
[06:44] <kalorin`> I figure it was the result of the ati drivers
[06:45] <kalorin`> anyway it works great for a few weeks at a time then I'll just have to reboot
[06:45] <kalorin`> not big deal
[06:45] <nickname> but it still doesn't work, does it?  I mean screen is still on, so why bother changing it?
[06:45] <kalorin`> perhaps I'll upgrade after a week or two when the quarter is over
[06:45] <kalorin`> oh it works great until it gets in this odd state
[06:45] <intelikey> nickname you need a command???  ok.     sudo mount /dev/nvram /          (don't dare try it.)        </stupidity>
[06:45] <kalorin`> it goes along for a week or two workign fine, then gets odd
[06:45] <kalorin`> figured I really just needed to kill -HUP something but didn't know what to kill
[06:46] <nickname> I see, thats why you think a wierd lock
[06:46] <kalorin`> yeah me too
[06:46] <nickname> running fglrx?
[06:46] <kalorin`> yeah
[06:46] <kalorin`> no tellin'
[06:46] <kalorin`> no problem at all at work on my nvidia workstation
[06:46] <kalorin`> also running 6.10 iwth the nvidia drivers
[06:46] <kalorin`> no biggie
[06:46] <kalorin`> I gotta hit the sack
[06:46] <kalorin`> nighty
[06:47] <kalorin`> thanks for trying
[06:47] <nickname> yeah, short of pouring through your logs, maybe try an updated driver, or switch to the radeon proprietary...
[06:47] <kalorin`> yeah
[06:47] <nickname> glad to help, gnite!
[06:47] <nickname> I wonder if I can mount /dev/urandom?
[06:48] <intelikey> sudo mount -o remount,dreamonly /kalorin`/brain /pillow
[06:48] <kalorin`> you can likely mount anything
[06:48] <kalorin`> :)
[06:48] <kalorin`> might not be healthy
[06:48] <nickname> better yet, can I send it via dcc?
[06:48] <intelikey> nickname  mount -t none /dev/urandom /tmp
[06:48] <kalorin`> ok rebooted a few minutes ago it's set to 1 minute
[06:48] <kalorin`> i'll sit and watch it
[06:50] <dac_> is there a way to make email encrypted?
[06:50] <nickname> if I sudo rm cp && rm cp that would make my life interesting...
[06:51] <nickname> brb
[06:54] <kalorin`> yep, working fine now
[06:54] <kalorin`> reboot, works in windows, seems to work in linux too sometimes :)
[06:54] <nickname> yeah, check your logs next time it locks up, it'll be there.
[06:55] <intelikey> lol   reboot.... lol
[06:55] <intelikey> could have just reset the xserver and see if it helped
[06:56] <intelikey> rm cp
[06:56] <intelikey> rm: cannot remove `cp': No such file or directory
[06:56] <intelikey> now rm /bin/*  on the other hand....
[06:58] <wolferine> when is Skype going to be updating in the repos? So webcams can be used...
[06:58] <nickname> from what I understand not soon.
[06:58] <nickname> wolferine: ekiga works good, though
[06:58] <ardchoille> wolferine: Once an Ubuntu is released, the only updates will be bug fixes and security updates, you won't see the next version in the repos most likely.
[06:59] <wolferine> nickname, you use it?
[06:59] <wolferine> nickname, did you setup an account?
[06:59] <nickname> skype doesn't even have experimetal webcam modules for linux
[07:00] <nickname> wolf: yeah I use it.  it's alright
[07:00] <wolferine> they do for MACs
[07:00] <unix_infidel> has ubuntu already released vmware images for fiesty?
[07:00] <wolferine> dont they?
[07:00] <nickname> wolf: I don't know, I don't swing that way ;)
[07:01] <intelikey> stdin    care to test   "sh help read "   is that built into dash ?
[07:01] <wolferine> nick, I am wanting to set up ekiga to work with asterisk
[07:01] <ses1959_> trying to use vi as editor is there a better choice
[07:01] <wolferine> i should have it by this weekend
[07:01] <wolferine> i hope
[07:02] <intelikey> ses1959_ that's argumentive and subjective.   yes there is.  and no there is not   depends on whether you like vi or not.      try nano
[07:02] <nickname> interesting.
[07:02] <stdin> intelikey: sh doesn't have "help" but while works
[07:03] <ses1959_> ok i have forgotten commands in vi to edit the file i need
[07:03] <ses1959_> thank you will try nano
[07:03] <intelikey> stdin then    sh which read
[07:03] <intelikey> see if read is a shell build in
[07:04] <stdin> no output, so builtin
[07:04] <intelikey> k
[07:04] <intelikey> ty
[07:05] <hatter> ATI NVIDIA can FUCK OFF
[07:05] <ardchoille> !language | hatter
[07:05] <ubotu> hatter: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[07:06] <hatter> yes. I will swear quietly.
[07:06] <intelikey> hatter while i share your disdane, the language has no place here.
[07:06] <hatter> yes. you are right.
[07:07] <intelikey> "next time just say, 'well poo' and well all get the idea"
[07:07] <intelikey> :)
[07:08] <intelikey> or "fiddle sticks"
[07:09] <ses1959_> i have edited a file in nano but need the command to save the file tried shift6 and X
[07:09] <trix`G> quick question, why am I unable to watch DVD's in kubuntu?  I've installed several different movie players that can play DVD's (VLC, Ogle, etc) and installed every set of codecs and decoders I could find in the package manager, yet I stick a dvd in, mount the drive, and try to play it with a player and it spins the dvd, hangs the programs then appears to just give up and sit there.
[07:10] <intelikey> ses1959_ the commands are at the bottom of the nano screen
[07:10] <intelikey> ses1959_  ^ means ctrl key
[07:10] <trix`G> for nano I just use CTRL+X for quit and it asks me to save so I say yes
[07:10] <ses1959_> thank you
[07:11] <intelikey> ses1959_ you're welcome
[07:11] <intelikey> !dvd
[07:11] <ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[07:11] <trix`G> ahh thank you
[07:11] <intelikey> trix`G see if either of those help you.
[07:11] <trix`G> it's people like you that make linux fun
[07:12] <ses1959_> did the ctrl x and get permission denied
[07:12] <ses1959_> i ran nano as sudo but must need to chmod on the file first
[07:13] <intelikey> ses1959_ then i sujest you when asked where to save it to,   you specify some place in ~   so you will have write access   then sudo cp  it to it's origenal dest.
[07:13] <ses1959_> oo ok thank you did not think about cp
[07:14] <intelikey> always more than one methood of epidurmal removal per felion
[07:15] <ardchoille> intelikey: lol
[07:16] <trix`G> i usually just sudo /bin/bash and avoid all those sudo problems
[07:16] <trix`G> i've grown to hate sudo
[07:16] <nickname> I might have similar sentiments if flaccid was my first thought for a moniker
[07:16] <intelikey> trix`G better to use  sudo -i
[07:17] <intelikey> trix`G or even   sudo su -
[07:17] <trix`G> yeah but who wants to have to remember another password
[07:17] <intelikey> that way you get root environment   and don't mess up things in your user dir
[07:17] <intelikey> another passwd ?
[07:17] <intelikey> no.
[07:18] <intelikey> you must be high.
[07:18] <ardchoille> trix`G: sudo -i and sudo su - both use your user password
[07:18] <underzr0> ELLO!
[07:18] <trix`G> if it wasn't for the constant annoying warnings I'd just use root for everything and not have a normal user.  I've never, in all the years I've been around linux, had a problem typing something stupid as root
[07:18] <underzr0> D:
[07:18] <underzr0> Hello parth
[07:18] <trix`G> and yes, i'm high :)
[07:18] <parth> hi
[07:18] <underzr0> hello deep_
[07:19] <parth> does anyone know how to enable opengl in kubuntu fawn
[07:19] <deep_> hi underzr0 (:
[07:19] <nickname> parth: prolly
[07:19] <intelikey> using root for something will cause them to fail.   one example that comes to mind with clamav  trying to update the database "freshclam"   will fail if ran by root
[07:19] <underzr0> D:
[07:20] <ardchoille> trix`G: If I wanted to break into your computer, I know you have a root account and I can sit here for weeks trying to brute force root, but I can't do that when root is disabled. And I can't brute force your user account because I don't know the username/password. Sudo is a good thing :)
[07:20] <intelikey> oh his user account is trix
[07:21] <deep`> Hah
[07:21] <intelikey> that's why i don't like the root jr.  approach to false security ardchoille
[07:21] <nickname> and his pw is "root"
[07:22] <ardchoille> Computer security is not a destination, it's a continual process.
[07:22] <intelikey> and root jr. is not in the path....
[07:22] <parth> how do i enable graphics card acceleration in kubuntu 7.04
[07:22] <intelikey> imo ^
[07:22] <intelikey> !nv | parth
[07:22] <ubotu> parth: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[07:23] <intelikey> if not nv or ati then say so
[07:23] <parth> its ati
[07:23] <hatter> system settings -> monitor and display -> = KDE crash handler.
[07:23] <hatter> i have no idea how to fix this.
[07:24] <nickname> !keyword_monitor_and_autoreply
[07:24] <nickname> funny
[07:24] <trix`G> ardchoille, If you wanted to break into my computer, you'd first have to find it among the 22 others connected to the router sharing the same IP I have, then, you'd have to stop and think what you could possibly have to gain from breaking into a linux box full of nothing but free open source software you could download yourself.
[07:25] <intelikey> trix`G or find an exploit in your irc client
[07:25] <trix`G> still what would be the point, I have nothing to lose nor offer
[07:25] <trix`G> hell I only installed this distro on a freshly formatted partition about three hours ago
[07:26] <ardchoille> But, you have a box from which I can send spam or try to hack into nasa.gov. I don't care if the men in black arrest you ;)
[07:26] <intelikey> no point.  only pointing out that the only secure box is the one that isn't connected
[07:26] <nickname> monitor and display are totally broken for me, but I believe there is a file you can delete in ~//home/ian/.kde/share/config/display?something?
[07:26] <nickname> ^^ hater
[07:26] <nickname> ^^ hatter
[07:26] <hatter> yes.
[07:26] <nickname> double whoops, sorry
[07:26] <nickname> see above
[07:27] <hatter> thx, i will check
[07:27] <trix`G> ardchoille: that wouldn't really be feasible(sp?) in my specific situation but you have a good point
[07:28] <nickname> trix: and what is your specific situation that leaves you invulnerable to sucjh attacks?
[07:28] <trix`G> gah intelikey, those dvd instructions you linked make sence but i'm getting a compile error
[07:29] <intelikey> that is one of the few pluses about dialup.   too slow for a cracker to proxie through
[07:29] <hatter> nickname: the only file sort of similar is kcmdisplayrc
[07:30] <trix`G> nickname: not invulnerable just unlikely, i'm only connected to the router for brief periods of time to get work done, otherwise i'm not connected, and when I am, the router autokicks me if I use any non standard ports (including ftp bittorrent (6881-6889) and IRC) without approval from the dorm's netadmin
[07:31] <Solurity> sounds like it would be fun to crack that one..
[07:31] <nickname> hatter: momento, please.
[07:31] <Solurity> which I totally don't condone
[07:32] <intelikey> .edu is primo agendaus
[07:32] <trix`G> well it's easy to tunnel through port 80 to get stuff working, but considering that the netadmin is my roomate he opens whatever ports for me I tell him to
[07:33] <trix`G> anyway I'm having trouble with those DVD instructions if anyone can help, when I run /usr/whatever/libdvdread3/install-css.sh it starts to compile but then it says "Error C compiler can't create executables"
[07:34] <intelikey> !b-e
[07:34] <ubotu> Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[07:34] <intelikey> !sudo
[07:34] <ubotu> sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[07:34] <intelikey> one or the other of those probably ^
[07:35] <trix`G> i'm already root so it's not likely to be the second one
[07:36] <trix`G> aha
[07:36] <trix`G> the first link helped, i didn't have a compiler installed lol, duuuh!
[07:37] <nickname> hatter: I don't believe that is the file.  try renaming it, and see.
[07:37] <intelikey> i started to only list the first.  but thought what the heck. it could be the other....  though not as likely
[07:38] <hatter> nickname: nope, crash
[07:38] <hatter> maybe its back to gnome for stability
[07:38] <nickname> that's the only module that crashes?
[07:39] <hatter> nickname: this all started because of random screen freezes, I have tried 3 different video cards, 2 of which did the same, now the background pic is gone and the crash happens when i try to get to monitor & displays
[07:40] <intelikey> who was it a while ago that asked when  6.6 was released ?  :)
[07:40] <hatter> and the 3rd video card was nvidia which i tried the binary from nvidia and it wants to take over and not be happy with 3 monitors
[07:40] <hatter> geez.  no work got done today.
[07:40] <trix`G> !dvd
[07:40] <ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[07:41] <nickname> what cards / drivers?
[07:41] <joxam> Hello.
[07:41] <stdin> intelikey: ok, made some more mods, made it so the script looks for ~/bin (and installs there if found) or makes ~/bin and installs there. If the user is root then it asks if they want to do a user install or a system install. and warns if ~/bin isn't in the users $PATH
[07:41] <joxam> I may need a little help with something.
[07:41] <nickname> joxam just ask
[07:41] <joxam> Excuse me if I'm a bit stupid, or I ask something that is easily fixed.
[07:42] <joxam> Okay.
[07:42] <nickname> joxam just ask
[07:42] <nickname> hatter: what are the other cards?
[07:42] <nickname> hatter: and drivers?
[07:42] <joxam> Tv tuner card. Tv wonder pro. Already read up on it. Installed two programs that said would work.
[07:42] <joxam> Didn't.
[07:42] <ardchoille> !tv
[07:42] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about tv - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:42] <joxam> Basic question. How i do this?!
[07:43] <nickname> what programs?
[07:43] <hatter> nickname: i have 2 S3 cards in pci slots and the 3rd is the agp one. the first card i have been using which has been working fine for the last week until the system freeze this morning is an ati. the 2nd i used was matrox which worked for a little while the freeze plus long beep, the third nvidia which decided by itself that the other  monitor is the primary one
[07:43] <intelikey> stdin ok    that however would not fit into my "modus operandus"  it's too strict.  what if they wanted to install in /var/opt/testing/bin   for a chrooted env testing.
[07:44] <joxam> Tvtime and XawTV
[07:44] <stdin> intelikey: it's an easy fix to say "or enter the path you want to install to"
[07:44] <intelikey> or just wanted ~/unsafe/scripts/  ?
[07:44] <nickname> joxam: and tvtime does what?
[07:44] <intelikey> but you see why i didn't do that initaly.
[07:45] <joxam> Um. I start it
[07:45] <joxam> static
[07:45] <nickname> hatter: what sort of freeze?  did you do an xorg.conf rewrite after switching cards?
[07:45] <joxam> will only draw from composite
[07:45] <joxam> and not my coaxial
[07:45] <intelikey> anyway. as i said.   it's free.  do what you will with it.   just pointing out why i did it the way i did.
[07:46] <intelikey> one could even write a small installer script like you said and wrap it around a tar archive
[07:46] <nickname> did you try kdetv?
[07:46] <hatter> nickname: complete system freeze,  no mouse or k/b.  i then went to another box and could still ping it. only a hard reset would restart.  when changing cards, I handmodified the xorg.conf files.
[07:47] <nickname> and did you use the repositories to install these progs?
[07:47] <intelikey> thus moving the install function out of the main script and improving it's performance
[07:47] <intelikey> @ stdin  ^   ^^   ^^^
[07:47] <joxam> Nick, doing so now
[07:49] <nickname> hatter: you will prollty have to explicitly specify monitors in your xorg, are you running the nvidia glx driver, or the one off the website?
[07:49] <nickname> joxam: did you use the repositories to install tvtime? or from a website?
[07:49] <joxam> Rep
[07:50] <nickname> hatter:  I would try the auto config of xorg, and then do your mods after that, to ensure a clean file.
[07:50] <nickname> jox: good
[07:50] <nickname> joxam hatter: brb
[07:52] <nickname> ok im back
[07:54] <nickname> anyone try the secret mario debs?
[07:55] <hatter> nickname: the xorg.conf file is pretty simple, the monitors are explicitly specified, since they are all different.
[07:57] <FuriousGeorge> help me out here guys.  i installed nvidia-glx, and kubuntu, like a good desktop linux, changed my xorg.conf to load the nvidia driver
[07:57] <FuriousGeorge> problem is when i start x now it crashes and says NO DEVICE attached
[07:58] <FuriousGeorge> which is odd b/c when i lspci i see geforce 6100 right ther
[07:58] <FuriousGeorge> e
[07:59] <nickname> hatter: driver(s)?
[08:00] <raylu> FuriousGeorge, show us your monitor device in xorg.conf
[08:01] <FuriousGeorge> raylu: to really show it to you i would have to start sshd service which i dont know how to do in kubuntu-like distros :)
[08:01] <nickname> joxam: update?
[08:01] <FuriousGeorge> i guess i can just launch sshd manually
[08:01] <hatter> nickname: s3virge, ati, mga
[08:01] <raylu> um...just open it in a text editor and paste it to pastebin
[08:01] <raylu> oh. Ctrl+Alt+F1
[08:03] <FuriousGeorge> raylu: no, im using another pc right now and my client in gaim.  for whatever reason ive never used cli chat clients
[08:03] <FuriousGeorge> in any case i can see that its wrong (the monitor section)
[08:03] <FuriousGeorge> i suppose i can run corg-config.  should i do that
[08:03] <sub16> yes you should
[08:03] <raylu> m...I really can't tell you because I don't have enough info
[08:04] <FuriousGeorge> totally forgot about xorg-config
[08:06] <nickname> hatter: hold on
[08:08] <trix`G> how do I install the kernel sources for kubuntu?  apt-get install kernel-sources tells me it's referred to but not there
[08:11] <hatter> trix`G: you can sudo apt-cache search linux-source* to see what you need to get
[08:11] <raylu> the * isn't really neccessary, I believe
[08:12] <intelikey> sudo not needed for that
[08:12] <hatter> true, wildcard is not necessary
[08:12] <intelikey> users can search the database as well as root
[08:12] <karlito> Hi, after I install kubuntu feisty fawn, I soon I launch a application in kde, two icon appeared on the taskbar below. i don't any of you had the same thing happening
[08:12] <hatter> um, yep sudo not necessary also
[08:13] <hatter> intelikey: thx. I am still struggling with the need for sudo.
[08:13] <nickname> sorry hatter, joxam, I have to go.
[08:13] <hatter> all it has done is annoy me so far in ubuntu
[08:13] <hakaisou> !ace
[08:13] <ubotu> Files with extensions .tar, .gz, .tgz, .zip, .bz2, .7z, .ace and other archive file formats can be opened with ark - also see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FileCompression
[08:13] <intelikey> hatter rule of thumb.   try without it.  if that fails sudo it
[08:14] <hatter> yeay, i mean the whole point of sudo in ubuntu
[08:14] <intelikey> hatter i'm with you on the root jr anoiance
[08:15] <FuriousGeorge> xorgconfig doesnt do here what i thought it did.  on gentoo its a cli script to generate an xorg.conf file with a menu and module selection and all that jazz.  here it just spits out an xorg.conf that for some reason also tells me NO DEVICES ATTACHED when i try to start x
[08:16] <FuriousGeorge> can someone tell me how to start the ssh service?
[08:16] <pacman> has anyone that upgraded had issues with their system settings?
[08:17] <FuriousGeorge> what is the kubuntu equivalent of /etc/init.d/sshd start?
[08:17] <pacman> And know how to fix it?
[08:17] <trix`G> FuriousGeorge, xorgconfig did for me, on kubuntu, exactly what you described it doing for you on gentoo
[08:17] <crimsun> FuriousGeorge: /etc/init.d/ssh start
[08:17] <crimsun> FuriousGeorge: (assuming openssh-server is installed)
[08:17] <FuriousGeorge> crimsun: crap
[08:18] <FuriousGeorge> cant i apt-get openssh or something to install that?
[08:18] <FuriousGeorge> i have the client, but i guess i dont have the server
[08:18] <crimsun> sudo aptitude install openssh-server
[08:18] <raylu> yes, you can
[08:19] <FuriousGeorge> trix`G: i did an slocate here and i just found a python script
[08:19] <FuriousGeorge> maybe i launched it wrong
[08:19] <pacman> has anyone that upgraded had issues with their system settings?
[08:19] <pacman> And know how to fix it?
[08:19] <FuriousGeorge> pacman: i probably cant help you anyway but that is really vague
[08:20] <pacman> *an error occured during your last KDE upgrade leaving an orphaned control module
[08:20] <pacman> *You have old third party modules lying around
[08:20] <pacman> I actually upgraded from 6.06 to 6.10 to 7.04 in a matter of days, so it may be some 6.06 issues?
[08:21] <joxam> Man I suck at linux
[08:22] <joxam> I can't get this crap to work
[08:22] <trix`G> FuriousGeorge, yeah i've been trying to remember what it was called, but I don't remember.  maybe there was more then 1 script and you just ran the wrong one?
[08:22] <HymnToLife> joxam, language
[08:22] <trix`G> although I think the one I ran was called something different
[08:22] <joxam> Hymn, what?
[08:22] <trix`G> damn my horrible stoner memory
[08:23] <raylu> that's not really infringing on language rules
[08:23] <joxam> trix just said damn but I can't say crap?
[08:23] <joxam> what
[08:23] <HymnToLife> no, indeed
[08:23] <HymnToLife> but it's still better to avoid such words :)
[08:23] <raylu> i stole $5, but this man stole $10. since he is more guilty than me, I am innocent?
[08:24] <trix`G> err oops lol sorry
[08:24] <joxam> Raylu, no
[08:24] <joxam> More like, I had a glass of water and this man stole 10 dollars.
[08:24] <joxam> Why am I guilty.
[08:24] <raylu> lol
[08:24] <Jucato> !language
[08:24] <ubotu> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[08:24] <intelikey> it's a good thing i don't know C    i'd waste  all my free time playing code....
[08:25] <HymnToLife> intelikey, you can still do that with Python :p
[08:25] <intelikey> just stupid shell scripts can take up a lot of it...
[08:25] <raylu> it's a good thing I don't know ASM. I'd waste all my free time trying to code almost nothing
[08:25] <trix`G> raylu, are you serious? I've never heard of crap being innapropriate, i mean i hear it on kids cartoons even
[08:25] <trix`G> wow i type slow
[08:25] <intelikey> HymnToLife could if i knew py
[08:25] <pacman> sooo.........nobody can help me tonight? :(
[08:25] <HymnToLife> indeed
[08:25] <raylu> [01:23:01]  <raylu> that's not really infringing on language rules
[08:25] <HymnToLife> wel, BASIC can do the trick too, I guess ;)
[08:25] <intelikey> HymnToLife or perl for that matter....
[08:25] <hakaisou> !sfv
[08:25] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about sfv - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:26] <raylu> i'm just saying his defense is invalid :P
[08:26] <raylu> hakaisou, what are looking for?
[08:26] <intelikey> HymnToLife i'm a bash scripter.    i didn't claim i was good at it... just that i do that.
[08:26] <raylu> pacman, sorry, your question got lost; ask again please :P
[08:26] <pacman> has anyone that upgraded had issues with their system settings?
[08:26] <pacman> *an error occured during your last KDE upgrade leaving an orphaned control module
[08:26] <pacman> *You have old third party modules lying around
[08:26] <pacman> I actually upgraded from 6.06 to 6.10 to 7.04 in a matter of days, so it may be some 6.06 issues?
[08:27] <pacman> gotta love the up arrow
[08:27] <raylu> any chance you can backup your files and reinstall?
[08:27] <Admiral_Chicago> poningru: sudo dpkg-reconfigure kde
[08:27] <Admiral_Chicago> poningru: sudo dpkg-reconfigure kde-guidance
[08:27] <intelikey> pacman i've seen several with that error.  check the wiki
[08:27] <Admiral_Chicago> crap
[08:27] <Admiral_Chicago> pacman: the second one
[08:27] <Admiral_Chicago> sorry for the highlight
[08:27] <HymnToLife> Ubuntu is definitely not your friend if you want KDE...
[08:27] <hakaisou> nothing, I figured it out.
[08:27] <Admiral_Chicago> intelikey: that is the way i fixed my error.
[08:27] <HymnToLife> and please don't tell me about Kubuntu
[08:28] <intelikey> Admiral_Chicago same error message ?
[08:28] <Admiral_Chicago> intelikey: yep
[08:28] <HymnToLife> oh, I'm on #kubuntu right now, it seems :p
[08:28] <intelikey> Admiral_Chicago i'll make  a note.
[08:28] <Admiral_Chicago> cool.
[08:28] <Mena> What the flag lba mean ???
[08:29] <raylu> Mena, context please
[08:30] <Mena> raylu, in gparted i have on fat32 part flag lba and boot and every time i try o install xp i got error
[08:30] <intelikey> large block addressing ?
[08:30] <raylu> o.0. is that what it does
[08:30] <raylu|AFK> actually....
[08:31] <Mena> is that possible that the this falgs cuse the errorr
[08:31] <TheDebugger> !automatix
[08:31] <ubotu> Automatix2 is a script that tries to install some software, and often fails and breaks systems. We don't provide support for it, and we strongly discourage its use. Problems caused by Automatix are often hard to track and solve, and it might sometimes be easier to !install a fresh copy of Ubuntu. See also !WorksForMe
[08:31] <trix`G> ok I followed the !dvd instructions to get dvd playback to work and totem still tells me I don't have the necessary plugins to play the dvd
[08:31] <trix`G> !dvd
[08:31] <ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[08:32] <Mena> intelikey, ? any idea
[08:33] <Admiral_Chicago> pacman: did that command help you?
[08:33] <Mena> hmm
[08:35] <FuriousGeorge> ok, ive set up the frequencies in the monitor section correctly, and i still get "no devices detected" when i try to start x
[08:35] <pacman> no, admiral
[08:35] <intelikey> -NickServ(NickServ@services.)- You cannot GHOST yourself.    interesting.....
[08:36] <Admiral_Chicago> pacman: what did you run?
[08:36] <Admiral_Chicago> did you restart X?
[08:36] <Jucato> intelikey: well, technically  you're still alive, so you can't ghost yourself :D
[08:36] <intelikey> FuriousGeorge pastebin your /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[08:37] <intelikey> Jucato yeah.
[08:37] <intelikey> Jucato wait.  what do you mean "technically  you're still alive"    what are you trying to say there ?
[08:38] <Jucato> intelikey: oh I meant you're alive in IRC :D
[08:38] <intelikey> i think he dog mouthed me...
[08:38] <intelikey> :)
[08:38] <Jucato> nah. why would I do that? :)
[08:38] <kraut> moin
[08:39] <Jucato> does this work, Admiral_Chicago?
[08:39] <Admiral_Chicago> Jucato: the line does, not the script. okay i'll poke with it later
[08:40] <Jucato> :)
[08:40] <intelikey> did i miss a good script.
[08:40] <Jucato> heh intelikey is a scripting addict :D
[08:41] <Admiral_Chicago> intelikey: hilite.pl for irssi, looking to get it set up with /window, not having much luck.
[08:41] <intelikey> code   code    i need some code.....   </shaking with dt's>
[08:43] <FuriousGeorge> so i guess this time i should try nvidia-glx vs nvidia-glx-new and maybe it wont hose x
[08:49] <joxam> After reading the tvtime website
[08:49] <joxam> my tuner card probably isn't configured right
[08:49] <joxam> wee
[08:50] <joxam> I have NO idea what to do about that
[08:50] <joxam> Grah, I need a nap
[08:51] <FuriousGeorge> ok, so i deleted org.conf, which nvidia-glx-config enable hosed, and startx now works with some default settings
[08:51] <FuriousGeorge> so now im trying a different driver but of course i cant run nvidia-glx-config because i have no xorg.conf
[08:52] <FuriousGeorge> so i tried uninstalling and reinstalling xorg, as one would think that would replace my xorg.conf, but no go
[08:52] <TheDebugger> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ?
[08:53] <A_A> what is a good program that plays video ?
[08:53] <A_A> other than kaffein
[08:53] <Admiral_Chicago> A_A: vlc
[08:53] <Alonea> A_A: there is Xine, MPlayer, VLC, Totem
[08:54] <A_A> mmk
[08:54] <A_A> dun like VLC cause u cant skip to a certain point
[08:54] <Alonea> A_A: VLC tends to play those obscure codecs better than the othres. Basically whatever VLC doesn't play, MPlayer will
[08:54] <Alonea> A_A: skip to a certain point, like fast forward?
[08:54] <A_A> jumping
[08:55] <A_A> u click the progress bar
[08:55] <A_A> and it goes to that exact point
[08:55] <Alonea> A_A: ah. ok.
[08:55] <A_A> VLC seems to just jump forwardabout 5 minutes every time
[08:55] <A_A> what package is mplayer ?
[08:56] <A_A> dw
[08:56] <A_A> was case sensitive
[08:56] <Alonea> A_A: mplayer...though if you have never updated your sources, it doesn't show up
[08:56] <A_A> i used a capital m
[08:56] <A_A> didnt work lol
[08:56] <Alonea> A_A: er, what are you using? Adept?
[08:56] <A_A> apt-get
[08:57] <Alonea> A_A: ah. best way to find names of packages is to search on adept
[08:57] <A_A> yeh
[08:57] <A_A> trying to get into that habit lol
[08:57] <Alonea> and apt get uses the same sources, so if you haven't updated them with source o matic, then it might not show up
[08:57] <A_A> its all working
[08:57] <A_A> it just didnt like the capital m
[08:58] <Alonea> ok
[08:59] <Alonea> and there is also mencoder which is an encoder and mozilla-mplayerwhich is a firefox plugin that I reccomend
[08:59] <Alonea> and for documentation and extra fonts it is mplayer-doc and mplayer-fonts
[09:00] <Alonea> also some skins too. mplayer-skins and mplayer-skin-blue
[09:00] <A_A> whats documentation and fonts for ?
[09:01] <Alonea> A_A: these give the program documentation and I guess more fonts. never messed with the fonts on it
[09:01] <A_A> ok
[09:01] <A_A> mplayer doesnt seem to play .avi
[09:01] <Alonea> usually like to at least put on documentation for all my programs
[09:02] <Alonea> A_A: oh! You might want all the binary codecs.
[09:02] <Alonea> you gotta get that off their site though
[09:02] <A_A> ahh l
[09:02] <A_A> k
[09:02] <A_A> might help ay lol
[09:02] <TheCreationist> I'm having a problem playing media files in Edgy.  They used to work just fine, but now kaffeine won't play them and neither with vlc... anyone know where I can look for help?
[09:03] <Alonea> all it is a folder that you need to put in a certain place...its in the readme on their site where to put it
[09:03] <Alonea> TheCreationist: whats the problem? sound or video? i had to get another package when I upgraded
[09:03] <TheCreationist> Alonea: I get no sound or video, actually.
[09:04] <TheCreationist> Alonea: .mpg plays fine, but everything else doesn't.  .wmv, .mov, .asx, etc.. none of them work.
[09:04] <TheCreationist> Alonea: There's just nothing.  No error messages, the files just don't play.
[09:04] <Alonea> TheCreationist: you got binary codecs from mplayer? and the gstreamer and ffmpeg stuff?
[09:05] <TheCreationist> Alonea: Yeah, I installed all the codecs... they worked the last time I tried to play them.  I'm not aware of anything I've changed.
[09:05] <lespea> hmm, does anyone know if there is a command to hide the mouse -- couldn't find a shortcut in either kcontrol -or- beryl :(
[09:05] <TheCreationist> Alonea: I tried removing and reinstalling all the media players, but still no luck.
[09:06] <Alonea> TheCreationist: I think when I upgraaded, it removed a lot of gstreamer stuff, so I would go into adept and check
[09:06] <Alonea> like just type in gstreamer in the serach and see if you have the gstreamer alsa, ffmpeg , plugins-base
[09:07] <Alonea> and I guess the libgstreamer stuff...dunno
[09:08] <joxam> i do not know what is wrong
[09:08] <Jucato> does this work now, Admiral_Chicago?
[09:08] <TheCreationist> Alonea: Okay, I just installed all the gstreamer codecs again and I was missing 7 of them, for some reason.  But still no good.
[09:09] <Alonea> really, just look around and see if anything got uninstalled because of upgrade. Also try the package "ffmpeg"
[09:09] <Admiral_Chicago> Jucato: no...
[09:09] <Admiral_Chicago> crap, i'll have to check my settings agait
[09:10] <TheCreationist> Jucato: Well, the Kubuntu docs don't say much about getting ALL media files to play, so I had to resort to using gnome apps/codecs.
[09:10] <Alonea> Jucato: i dunno, but I had to install a bunch of media stuff to get my files to play again..I just remember which ones were necessary and which I really don't need
[09:10] <Alonea> *I just don't remember
[09:10] <Jucato> TheCreationist: you basically only need 2 codecs: libxine-extracodecs and w32codecs (from outside sources)
[09:10] <Alonea> try that then TheCreationist
[09:11] <crimsun> if you're using amarok, libxine1-ffmpeg and libfaad2-0 should suffice.
[09:11] <Jucato> crimsun: oh.... they cover w32codecs as well?
[09:11] <TheCreationist> ...libxgine-extracodecs is already installed.
[09:11] <crimsun> w32codecs isn't strictly necessary
[09:11] <TheCreationist> So is w32codecs
[09:11] <A_A> Alonea: im getting an "Error opening/initialising the selected video_out (-vo) device"
[09:11] <Jucato> crimsun: for playing wmv/wma/rm files I think
[09:11] <FuriousGeorge> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg seemed to make an xorg.conf that worked again.  until i rebooted the sytem
[09:11] <Alonea> A_A: I get that a lot actually.
[09:11] <FuriousGeorge> system
[09:11] <crimsun> it would help if we knew 1) which amarok engine you're using, 2) what media type you're attempting to play
[09:12] <FuriousGeorge> screen(s) found, but none have a ueable configuration
[09:12] <FuriousGeorge> Failed to initialize the nvidia kernel module!
[09:12] <pgquiles> Riddell: http://www.kubuntu.org/documentation.php shows no docs for feisty
[09:12] <Alonea> A_A: I forgot how to fix that. I just don't let it choose what video thing to use. Doesn't amarok play video? Xine is nice too..
[09:13] <FuriousGeorge> according to lsmod the module is loaded
[09:14] <Riddell> pgquiles: I know, it's not on help.u.c, I need to poke mdke
[09:16] <A_A> amarok plays audio
[09:16] <Alonea> A
[09:16] <Alonea> A_A: ah. I thought it would load a xine thing for video. I just tried and it crashed.
[09:16] <TheCreationist> Okay, is there any way to remove ALL the media playing software I've added and start over?  I've removed all the players I know of, but I don't know about extra packages they installed.  I need to get these files playing again.
[09:17] <A_A> yeh same lol
[09:17] <FuriousGeorge> can someone help me out here:  how can i reinstall the nvidia-glx module.  this was just working before i restarted my system
[09:18] <TheCreationist> FuriousGeorge: Ubuntu likes to work one day and suddenly change the next... weird, huh?
[09:19] <Alonea> TheCreationist: I dont think removing your players is going to help. I think its just some obscure missing package thats messing the whole thing up. thats what it was for me.. I wanna say it was alsa related. Don't remember
[09:19] <FuriousGeorge> TheCreationist: no, thats inaccurate.  it doesnt like to nvidia-glx as installed according to the documentation, so im trying to install it by hand.  i got it working, rebooted and now its complaining about the module
[09:19] <TheCreationist> Alonea: But I didn't update the system or anything.  It all worked last night, now it doesn't.
[09:20] <FuriousGeorge> so anyway, how can i reinstall the module from the cli?  anyone know?
[09:21] <Alonea> TheCreationist: oh, ok. well then I have no idea what happened then...@@. I usually threaten the system with its life and implement blunt objects if needed.
[09:23] <FuriousGeorge> ok reinstalling the module, unloading it, and reloading it isnt helping, and the xorg.log is very vague about what caused the failure, only implying that my system may not have an nvidia card (which it obviously does)
[09:25] <FuriousGeorge> oh wait, heres something, the kernel module is 9775 but the x module is 9631
[09:25] <FuriousGeorge> that explains why a reboot started this
[09:26] <don> hi everyone
[09:29] <pgquiles> crossing fingers and starting update from feisty to kubuntu
[09:30] <lespea> pgquiles: ?
[09:30] <FuriousGeorge> how the heck am i supposed to upgrade my nvidia x module?  is that the nvidia-kernel package?
[09:31] <pgquiles> lespea: I'm always frightened upgrading would render my system unusable :-)
[09:32] <lespea> pgquiles: what did you mean upgrading from feisty to kubuntu
[09:32] <lespea> pgquiles: are you using ubuntu now?
[09:32] <FuriousGeorge> and wtf:  i dont even know if im correctly installing nvidia-kernel
[09:32] <FuriousGeorge> http://pastebin.ca/476637
[09:32] <A_A> how am i supposed to find what my video out device is
[09:33] <FuriousGeorge> does that look like the installation succeeded or failed
[09:33] <pgquiles> lespea: oh, my bad. I meant from edgy to feisty O:-)
[09:33] <FuriousGeorge> A_A: lspci
[09:34] <lespea> pgquiles: k, just wondering :)
[09:34] <pgquiles> lespea: thank you for worrying
[09:34] <ardchoille> FuriousGeorge: Nothing was installed
[09:34] <don> I did that it worked fine on mine
[09:34] <lespea> FuriousGeorge: try sudo aptitude dist-upgrade
[09:34] <FuriousGeorge> ardchoille: can you see why?
[09:34] <ardchoille> FuriousGeorge: "Need to get 0B of archives. After unpacking 0B will be used."
[09:34] <tarelerulz> I have wireless card
[09:35] <tarelerulz> It is called true mobile internel 802.11b mini-pic card do any of you have that?
[09:35] <FuriousGeorge> ardchoille: oh, i thought that was hex for 11 :)
[09:36] <lespea> FuriousGeorge: did you try dist-upgrade?
[09:36] <ardchoille> FuriousGeorge: You really need to update that system. the apport update is kinda old.
[09:36] <FuriousGeorge> ardchoille: basically, x is compalining that the kernel module is version 9755 and the x module isnt.  am i correc that the x module gets upgraded with nvidia-kernel?
[09:36] <A_A> hmmm
[09:36] <FuriousGeorge> lespea: i did that
[09:37] <FuriousGeorge> ardchoille: if i update the system by doing the dist-upgrade than ive already done that
[09:37] <A_A> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV43 [GeForce 6600 GT]  (re       v a2)  << that would be my video out ay
[09:37] <lespea> FuriousGeorge: hmm
[09:37] <FuriousGeorge> A_A: yaeh thats your video card
[09:37] <A_A> bummer
[09:38] <A_A> mplayer doesnt support anything that looks remotely like that
[09:38] <FuriousGeorge> sure it does
[09:38] <FuriousGeorge> that makes no sense
[09:38] <A_A> i havent found the right one yet then
[09:38] <A_A> or i am doing the config wrong
[09:38] <FuriousGeorge> mplayer doesnt need to know about your video card
[09:39] <FuriousGeorge> at least not for what i have used it for (playing video)
[09:39] <A_A> rror opening/initializing the selected video_out (-vo) device.
[09:39] <A_A> error*
[09:39] <FuriousGeorge> what are you trying to do?
[09:39] <A_A> play a .avi
[09:40] <FuriousGeorge> can it play any video?
[09:40] <A_A> sec ill look for a diff format
[09:40] <FuriousGeorge> http://pastebin.ca/476637 <--- can anyone tell me why aptitude install chooses not to install this package?  all i want to do is upgrade my x-module and i cannot do it
[09:42] <tarelerulz> doe any one have  802.11b wireless card?
[09:42] <Eliz> Is it possible to upgrade from Edgy to Feisty with the desktop iso from a USB disk?
[09:42] <A_A> its not playing .mpg either
[09:42] <A_A> same error
[09:43] <FuriousGeorge> omg, am i going to have to install install (a different) distro to get video working
[09:43] <don> you may not have all plugins for vidio
[09:43] <Filthpig> FuriousGeorge: no?
[09:43] <FuriousGeorge> at this rate im going to save time i think
[09:43] <Filthpig> !medibuntu | FuriousGeorge
[09:43] <ubotu> FuriousGeorge: medibuntu is a repository of packages that cannot be included into the Ubuntu distribution for legal reasons - See http://medibuntu.sos-sts.com/
[09:44] <FuriousGeorge> Filthpig: thats not my problem.. i rebooted now my kernel module doenst match my x module
[09:44] <FuriousGeorge> i just want to know how to upgrade my x modle
[09:44] <don> feriousgeorge I had same trouble finally I swapped cards solved it
[09:45] <FuriousGeorge> module.  this was just working a second ago
[09:45] <Filthpig> what did you do before that?
[09:45] <FuriousGeorge> don: ive had the same problem on gentoo, but knew how to install packages from cli and fixed it.  cannot do the same here
[09:45] <don> I lost my connection and was hard to get it working
[09:46] <A_A> oo
[09:46] <A_A> i found a vo that sort of works
[09:46] <FuriousGeorge> Filthpig: i ran dpkg-configure xserver-xorg to get it working after follwoing ubuntu docs hosed my xorg.conf
[09:46] <FuriousGeorge> (was getting a no devices attached error when starting x)
[09:46] <don> I had resolution trouble bad
[09:47] <Filthpig> FuriousGeorge: that exact command?
[09:47] <don> this os has problem with resolution
[09:48] <FuriousGeorge> sudo nvidia-glx-config enable
[09:48] <Filthpig> running this sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg -should- get you on your feet
[09:49] <don> I am on my Mepis now
[09:49] <don> I got it part ubuntu now
[09:49] <Filthpig> don: LCD monitor or what?
[09:49] <don> no
[09:49] <FuriousGeorge> Filthpig: nope it doesnt.  that worked once but not again
[09:49] <Filthpig> heh
[09:49] <FuriousGeorge> what would get me on my feet would be installing the correct version of the x module
[09:50] <don> It says I have LCD but I dont
[09:50] <don> I know how you feel
[09:50] <FuriousGeorge> but i cannot seem to do that as the "atptidude installer" is howing 0 aptitude for installing packages
[09:51] <nunya> hi,,, fist install of Kubuntoon my new home built 4.2AMD
[09:51] <nunya> test
[09:51] <don> I tried maany different os all have some setback
[09:51] <Jucato> heh... kubuntoon..
[09:52] <FuriousGeorge> ok, well im gonna reinstall the os for lack of any better ideas.  at this rate i could have done it twice already
[09:52] <Filthpig> Jucato: heh, just though it'd be a great name for a childish version of kubuntu :] 
[09:52] <don> that a new one to me
[09:52] <Jucato> :)
[09:52] <don> i got mefisubuntu
[09:52] <Filthpig> FuriousGeorge: alright
[09:53] <don> neet
[09:53] <Filthpig> hope it'll get you on your feet again.. Luckily installing kubuntu takes very little time
[09:53] <Filthpig> don: is that a project?
[09:53] <FuriousGeorge> Filthpig: i just hope that this time ill be able to install nvidia-glx
[09:54] <don> I was on Mefis and I wanted to see what you guys were up to so got adept
[09:54] <Filthpig> FuriousGeorge: what card do you have?
[09:54] <don> then got Konversation
[09:54] <nunya> sorry ,,,the computer is new ,, but my spelling is stillold
[09:54] <nunya> i am totaly impressed with this, operating system!!1
[09:54] <nunya> now if i can just figure out how toload drivers and install programs,,,,, LOL
[09:54] <nunya> oh and get my mike to work,,,and my midi card
[09:55] <don> A project?
[09:55] <Filthpig> yeah, like some people trying to melt the best from mepis into ubuntu or something
[09:55] <Filthpig> but it sounds like you've just done it yourself, so nevermind
[09:56] <don> I have both but u can mix them
[09:56] <Filthpig> nunya: installing programs is easypeasy
[09:56] <nunya> hi filth,,
[09:56] <Filthpig> hi
[09:56] <nunya> well this is my first daay
[09:56] <don> Meeppppis is not bad on this box
[09:56] <don> Mepis
[09:57] <Filthpig> nunya: Welcome in, then :)
[09:57] <Cnl_Delta> k whats the main diff between Mepis and a ubuntu distro
[09:57] <Alonea> ok, why is dvd playback so bad in kaffeine?
[09:57] <Filthpig> nunya: to install a program, simply go to "add/remove programs" in the menu
[09:57] <nunya> i was a 98se lover,,,the XP pissedme off ,,, so here i am exploring linux distro
[09:57] <don> They just look a little diff but has all nice apps
[09:58] <don> good
[09:58] <MartyMcFly> How do I get Mozilla Thunderbird (2.0) to play a sound instead of beeping the system speaker?
[09:58] <MartyMcFly> (when a new e-mail arrives)
[09:58] <usamahashimi> hello everyone!
[09:58] <Filthpig> 98se?! wow.
[09:58] <Filthpig> that's -old- :D
[09:58] <don> I have been checking out a lot of linux lately
[09:59] <usamahashimi> plz tell me the name of any good voice reccognization software
[09:59] <nunya> lol,,,im old  LOL
[09:59] <Filthpig> haha :)
[09:59] <USMarine> usamahashimi festival
[09:59] <don> I think I got one on this I will look
[09:59] <nunya> anyone know how to turn on the mic or check it?
[10:00] <usamahashimi> USMarine: will it help me to type in openoffce?
[10:01] <Cnl_Delta> hmm xubuntu's easier for newcomers to computing to learn than win98se
[10:01] <Filthpig> nunya: go to k-menu, multimedia, KMIX
[10:02] <USMarine> usamahashimi i've no idea, i can type quite fast
[10:02] <USMarine> so i dont really need it
[10:02] <nunya> ok. got it
[10:02] <Filthpig> see if mic is enabled in the "imput"-section
[10:02] <Filthpig> inpur*
[10:02] <Filthpig> eh!
[10:03] <Filthpig> i-n-p-u-t
[10:03] <dhonglerdan> hello
[10:03] <Filthpig> there!
[10:03] <nunya> enabled
[10:03] <Filthpig> !hi | dhonglerdan
[10:03] <ubotu> dhonglerdan: Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!
[10:03] <dhonglerdan> anyone here know about amarok and scrobbling?
[10:03] <Filthpig> nunya: both red and grren light glowing?
[10:03] <Filthpig> green*
[10:03] <dhonglerdan> already tried the amarok and kde channels... :)
[10:03] <crimsun> dhonglerdan: I know a bit about audioscrobbler.  What's the issue?
[10:03] <nunya> check, yes
[10:04] <Filthpig> no sound from mic?
[10:04] <dhonglerdan> crimsun: my tracks are not being scrobbled, and I can't seem to figure out why.
[10:04] <crimsun> dhonglerdan: did you configure the plugin?
[10:04] <nunya> now it is,,,,
[10:04] <crimsun> dhonglerdan: (caveat: amarok is not installed ATM)
[10:04] <nunya> thanks!
[10:04] <Filthpig> np :)
[10:04] <dhonglerdan> crimsun: yeah, I set up my user and password and checked the box to upload track names in amarok
[10:04] <nunya> maybe i just needed to open that app
[10:04] <crimsun> dhonglerdan: how long are the tracks that you're attempting to submit?
[10:05] <dhonglerdan> just normal length... none more than 20 minutes... most around 3-5minutes
[10:05] <dhonglerdan> my submit.xml shows a bunch of tracks
[10:05] <nunya> i think i hooked up the bias wrong on the MB
[10:05] <dhonglerdan> and shows the last successful submission as april 28th
[10:05] <nunya> sount like the chipmunks
[10:06] <dhonglerdan> what i would really like is a log of communication between amarok and last.fm
[10:06] <dhonglerdan> is there anything like that generated?
[10:06] <Etokura> Is there anyone who could help me with Kamefu?
[10:07] <dhonglerdan> any ideas?
[10:08] <dhonglerdan> oh heres an interesting fact - i just set up my library/collection last night in amarok
[10:08] <dhonglerdan> and it crashed while it was reading all my music into the collection
[10:08] <crimsun> interesting.  So that's your queue.
[10:08] <dhonglerdan> then when i restarted it, it looks like all my music is in there fine
[10:08] <crimsun> dhonglerdan: can you retry with another client right quick?
[10:09] <dhonglerdan> and haven't had any problems since other than the scrobbling
[10:09] <dhonglerdan> which client?
[10:09] <dhonglerdan> i have quod libet loaded i think...
[10:09] <dhonglerdan> does that scrobble?
[10:09] <dhonglerdan> or kaffeine maybe?
[10:09] <crimsun> yes, as long as quodlibet-plugins is installed, and you've enabled and configured it
[10:09] <ardchoille> What is scrobbling?
[10:09] <crimsun> amarok will notify you in the status bar upon submission.
[10:10] <crimsun> it normally occurs about 1/2 through the song
[10:10] <dhonglerdan> i see
[10:10] <crimsun> either 1/2 through or 4 minutes in, whichever falls first
[10:10] <dhonglerdan> hrmm doesn't look like i have any quodlibet plugins...
[10:11] <crimsun> right, so please install quodlibet-plugins
[10:11] <dhonglerdan> doesn't look like adept has them...
[10:11] <dhonglerdan> aahh alright. apt-get found them
[10:12] <dhonglerdan> hey this might be a clue.
[10:12] <dhonglerdan> so i loaded the plugins then i hit 'refresh' on the plugins browser in quod libet
[10:12] <dhonglerdan> then i clicked 'show errors' and this is the error listed for lastfmsubmit
[10:12] <crimsun> don't use that one.
[10:12] <dhonglerdan> Traceback (most recent call last):
[10:12] <crimsun> use the other one.
[10:12] <dhonglerdan>   File "/usr/share/quodlibet/plugins/events/lastfmsubmit.py", line 11, in <module>
[10:12] <dhonglerdan>     import lastfm
[10:12] <dhonglerdan> ImportError: No module named lastfm
[10:13] <crimsun> right, that requires that you configure another package that you need to install.  Don't use that one.  Use the other last.fm plugin.
[10:13] <crimsun> should be the one toward the bottom of the list.
[10:13] <crimsun> IIRC, that is.
[10:13] <dhonglerdan> oh ok. looking
[10:14] <dhonglerdan> thats the only plugin i see in the list
[10:14] <dhonglerdan> it's called 'audioscrobbler submission'
[10:14] <dhonglerdan> i don't know if it correlates to the error message shown in the 'show errors' window
[10:15] <crimsun> hmm, can you take a screenshot and post it?
[10:15] <dhonglerdan> sure.
[10:16] <achilles> aloha
[10:16] <crimsun> I'm in a dev conference ATM, so I may be lagged in responding.
[10:17] <achilles> hi crimsun
[10:17] <achilles> can you help me
[10:17] <achilles> just a little help
[10:17] <achilles> i wish to get the old konqui logout menu back after upgrade to feisty
[10:18] <achilles> right now just get a square box with blurry bi\uttons to loout restart etc
[10:20] <Filthpig> blurry buttons?
[10:20] <dhonglerdan> umm what is a good quick host for an image?
[10:20] <dhonglerdan> doesn't look like pastebin takes images
[10:20] <achilles> yeah
[10:21] <Filthpig> some forum, probably
[10:21] <achilles> the logout menu after upgrade to feisty has changed
[10:21] <achilles> just a square
[10:21] <achilles> with options
[10:21] <achilles> and icons are blurry
[10:21] <achilles> those hibernate, logout restart icons
[10:21] <Filthpig> achilles: huh. they should not be blurry..
[10:21] <achilles> i wish to get the Konqui menu back again
[10:22] <achilles> wish i could give you a screen shot
[10:23] <dhonglerdan> ok here we go
[10:23] <dhonglerdan> http://cl1p.net/jlkas/
[10:23] <achilles> i wish to get rid of this logout menu
[10:23] <Cnl_Delta> hi whats the best networking tool that can tell me my current download speed and the speed which individual applications are downloading ?
[10:23] <dhonglerdan> sorry for the delay, i couldn't remember the name of a decent online-clipboard site
[10:24] <achilles> Filthpig: is there a way i can take a screen shot
[10:24] <Filthpig> achilles: press print screen ;)
[10:24] <Etokura> Is there something special I have to do before I can get kamefu to load a game rom? I keep getting an error when I try to load a game
[10:24] <achilles> lol
[10:24] <achilles> wil it work
[10:24] <Filthpig> yes
[10:24] <Filthpig> or maybe not from the logout manager
[10:24] <Filthpig> hm
[10:24] <Filthpig> dunno
[10:24] <Filthpig> try :p
[10:25] <dhonglerdan> you see that crimsun?
[10:25] <achilles> lol
[10:25] <achilles> no go
[10:25] <Filthpig> hehe, alright
[10:25] <achilles> they are blurry
[10:25] <Filthpig> then I don't know
[10:25] <achilles> the icons
[10:25] <dhonglerdan> hey so quod libet is totally uploading my tracks.
[10:25] <achilles> but how can i get back the konqui menu
[10:26] <dhonglerdan> but still no luck with amarok
[10:26] <Filthpig> dhonglerdan: maybe the guys over at #amarok may help ;)
[10:26] <dhonglerdan> filthpig: already tried :)
[10:27] <dhonglerdan> filthpig: #kde also
[10:27] <Filthpig> ok
[10:27] <Filthpig> #last.fm ?
[10:27] <crimsun> dhonglerdan: I'm in a meeting ATM
[10:27] <dhonglerdan> crimsun: ahh ok. no prob :)
[10:27] <verma> hi .. a very newbie linux question how do I move a bunch of .xml to .php e.g. mv *.xml *.php dosnt work?
[10:27] <dhonglerdan> filthpig: ahh that seems reasonable
[10:28] <crimsun> dhonglerdan: no, that's the correct plugin
[10:28] <dhonglerdan> crimsun: yeah, it works in quod libet
[10:28] <dhonglerdan> crimsun: (i just found out since it finished playing a few songs), but no luck in amarok still
[10:29] <crimsun> dhonglerdan: it's all http, so just use tcpdump and sniff any traffic headed for post.audioscrobbler.com
[10:29] <dhonglerdan> crimsun: it does show those odd errors in quod libet tho... i wonder if amarok may be affected by those errors
[10:29] <dhonglerdan> crimsun: aahh ok i'll give that a try for sure
[10:30] <dhonglerdan> crimsun: its audioscrobbler.com not something.last.fm ?
[10:30] <crimsun> dhonglerdan: last I sniffed, it was post.audioscrobbler.com
[10:31] <dhonglerdan> cool thanks, i'll let that run overnight. going to bed now :)  have a nice meeting!
[10:32] <dhonglerdan> hey hey! i just gave me a message!
[10:32] <dhonglerdan> in the status bar
[10:32] <dhonglerdan> it said 'failed to submit'
[10:33] <dhonglerdan> and it had some kind of icon that looked like i could've clicked it, but it disappeared before i got to it
[10:33] <dhonglerdan> any idea how to bring up the status bar's 'history'?
[10:34] <crimsun> dhonglerdan: seriously, sniff the http traffic
[10:34] <dhonglerdan> i am actually...
[10:34] <dhonglerdan> didn't see anything
[10:34] <crimsun> dhonglerdan: if it failed, it's probably because it's either too far in the past, or it's missing parameters
[10:34] <dhonglerdan> sudo tcpdump -i ath0 host post.audioscrobbler.com
[10:34] <dhonglerdan> tcpdump: verbose output suppressed, use -v or -vv for full protocol decode
[10:34] <dhonglerdan> listening on ath0, link-type EN10MB (Ethernet), capture size 96 bytes
[10:35] <crimsun> dhonglerdan: no, sniff all port 80 traffic.
[10:35] <dhonglerdan> oh ok
[10:35] <crimsun> specifically all http traffic
[10:35] <crimsun> close all your other web browsers :)
[10:35] <dhonglerdan> sudo tcpdump -i ath0 tcp port 80
[10:36] <dhonglerdan> tcpdump: verbose output suppressed, use -v or -vv for full protocol decode
[10:36] <dhonglerdan> listening on ath0, link-type EN10MB (Ethernet), capture size 96 bytes
[10:36] <dhonglerdan> thats right, right?
[10:37] <dhonglerdan> yeah, thats right i think.
[10:37] <crimsun> tcpdump tcp port 80 and (((ip[2:2]  - ((ip[0] &0xf)<<2)) - ((tcp[12
[10:37] <crimsun> ] &0xf0)>>2)) != 0)
[10:38] <crimsun> -vv -n
[10:38] <crimsun> and your -i
[10:40] <FuriousGeorge> What does this mean:
[10:40] <FuriousGeorge> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[10:40] <FuriousGeorge>   nvidia-glx: Conflicts: nvidia-settings but 1.0+20060516-3ubuntu1 is to be installed
[10:40] <FuriousGeorge> E: Broken packages
[10:40] <dhonglerdan> dan@RAY:~/.kde/share/apps/amarok$ sudo tcpdump -i ath0 tcp port 80 and (((ip[2:2]  - ((ip[0] &0xf)<<2)) - ((tcp[12] &0xf0)>>2)) != 0) -vv -n
[10:40] <dhonglerdan> bash: syntax error near unexpected token `('
[10:44] <dhonglerdan> here it is
[10:44] <dhonglerdan> http://cl1p.net/fdsjkaldfsdas/
[10:45] <dhonglerdan> and i got to the little message box this time before it went away - it said '21 tracks still in queue'
[10:46] <dhonglerdan> problem is... post.audioscrobbler.com is 87.117.229.200 and i don't see that address in there...
[10:46] <Mena> K3b could not load or find the Mp3 decoder plugin. This means that you will not be able to create Audio CDs from Mp3 files. Many Linux distributions do not include Mp3 support for legal reasons.
[10:46] <Mena> Solution: To enable Mp3 support, please install the MAD Mp3 decoding library as well as the K3b MAD Mp3 decoder plugin (the latter may already be installed but not functional due to the missing libmad). Some distributions allow installation of Mp3 support via an online update tool (i.e. SuSE's YOU).
[10:46] <dhonglerdan> mena: whats k3b?
[10:46] <Jucato> dhonglerdan: KDE burning app
[10:46] <Mena> yes
[10:47] <dhonglerdan> aahh i see.
[10:47] <Jucato> !info k3b | dhonglerdan
[10:47] <ubotu> dhonglerdan: k3b: A sophisticated KDE CD burning application. In component main, is optional. Version 1.0-0ubuntu2 (feisty), package size 4912 kB, installed size 9404 kB
[10:47] <Jucato> Mena: you can ignore that, or install libk3b2-mp3
[10:47] <dhonglerdan> sophisticated! well... you could use lame i think to convert your mp3s to wav first, right?
[10:47] <Mena> Jucato, you mean this will not effect burning movies
[10:47] <dhonglerdan> i used lame recently to downsample my mp3s to 128kb/s to play on my phone...
[10:47] <Jucato> Mena: it won't. it's just saying you can't burn mp3's as audio cd's
[10:48] <Mena> oookaaay
[10:48] <Jucato> dhonglerdan: k3b does more than just burn mp3's though
[10:48] <dhonglerdan> jucato: ah. i see
[10:48] <Cnl_Delta> kubuntu really needs a easy to use file manager
[10:48] <crimsun> dhonglerdan: then the host that amarok's plugin likely isn't that one.
[10:48] <crimsun> just check the source, or see what tcpdump reports
[10:48] <Jucato> Cnl_Delta: try Dolphin
[10:48] <Jucato> imho Konqueror is easy enough
[10:48] <VA> konqurer is easy to use Cnl_Delta
[10:48] <Jucato> (just needs a bit of reorganizing)
[10:48] <dhonglerdan> crimsun: i see... oh i did see what tcpdump reported...
[10:48] <Cnl_Delta> k..
[10:49] <Cnl_Delta> konquerer is alright but a bit uhmm overpowered
[10:49] <dhonglerdan> crimsun: i'm not sure what to make of it though: http://cl1p.net/fdsjkaldfsdas/
[10:49] <dhonglerdan> cnl_delta: i like konqueror now that i've figured out how to make it default to details view instead of freakin' list or whatever the default is
[10:49] <AmyRose> Is there a way to get the regular KDE log-out screen back in Feisty?
[10:49] <crimsun> dhonglerdan: can you use -vvv ?
[10:49] <Jucato> AmyRose: hold on, let me get a link
[10:50] <crimsun> dhonglerdan: that should get you actual packet data
[10:50] <dhonglerdan> crimsun: ok cool
[10:50] <Jucato> Cnl_Delta: can you give a concrete example?
[10:51] <FuriousGeorge> i think i finally got nvidia-glx working (pending this restart) and now i have no mouse cursor
[10:51] <dhonglerdan> and let me guess... you're furious!
[10:52] <FuriousGeorge> i guess thats accurate
[10:52] <Cnl_Delta> trying to find where i installed wine ain't easy
[10:52] <AmyRose> Jucato: Thanks... I have someone who really wants to see Konqi again
[10:52] <dhonglerdan> hehe :)
[10:52] <Jucato> AmyRose: http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3080988.0 look for my post
[10:52] <FuriousGeorge> ill be furious if it stops working agaihn
[10:52] <Jucato> Cnl_Delta: hmm? it's always in the same place, in ~/.wine/
[10:53] <Cnl_Delta> well i downloaded it to a home/username/download folder
[10:53] <AmyRose> thanks Jucato
[10:53] <Jucato> Cnl_Delta: what do you mean? you didn't install wine from the repositories?
[10:53] <Cnl_Delta> now i gotta move utorrent from the download folder to the /home/usernamer/,wine folder
[10:53] <Cnl_Delta> i got wine running and set up with .winecfg
[10:53] <Jucato> ok... then?
[10:53] <Mena> Jucato, Why my Harddisk when i change the data cable it wont work ...starnge haa ...i have asus MB
[10:54] <Cnl_Delta> i need to move torrent from a normal user folder into the .wine folder and i don't want to move it as root
[10:54] <Jucato> Mena: um.. I really wouldn't know...
[10:54] <Mena> hmmm yes
[10:54] <Mena> i have a starnge MB of asus
[10:54] <Jucato> Cnl_Delta: you don't have to move it as root. ~/.wine is in your user folder
[10:54] <Mena> :X
[10:54] <Mena> and its get me nerves
[10:54] <Mena> every time
[10:55] <dhonglerdan> hmmm ok... so i got the -vvv output when amarok tries to submit...
[10:55] <dhonglerdan> it looks like it just talks to my router and then gives up...
[10:55] <dhonglerdan> 01:55:20.594008 IP (tos 0x0, ttl  64, id 61420, offset 0, flags [none] , proto: TCP (6), length: 536) 192.168.1.1.80 > 192.168.1.5.13721: P 2195469758:2195470254(496) ack 2521285428 win 8192
[10:56] <Mena> Jucato, What is the best type of MBs you think
[10:56] <dhonglerdan> does that make sense?? the packet came from my router to me without me sending a request on port 80...
[10:56] <Jucato> Mena: um.. sorry, I'm not really a hardware person...
[10:56] <dhonglerdan> that was the only packet that shows up when amarok gave the 'could not send' message
[10:56] <Mena> Jucato, hmm ok :D
[10:57] <dhonglerdan> mena: asus... maybe intel...
[10:57] <dhonglerdan> menu: but careful, all their onboard crap is just that...
[10:57] <dhonglerdan> mena i mean...
[10:57] <dhonglerdan> mena: onboard RAID, onboard sound, onboard graphics, whatever. its junk.
[10:58] <dhonglerdan> mena: if you really need decent raid, sound, or graphics, plan to purchase a card.
[10:58] <dhonglerdan> dhonglerdan: i recommend software raid over any onboard raid.
[10:58] <dhonglerdan> err... i'm replying to myself now apparently.
[10:59] <Mena> dhonglerdan, hmm not really but i got nerves with my MB and maybe in the near future i will change it all
[10:59] <Mena> :)
[10:59] <Mena> near  future
[10:59] <Dragon> hey guys i have a soundcard in my computer and a onboard one .... i have looked in the bios and the onboard one cant be turned off in there how do i get my computer to stop playing sound through the onboard one and play it through the sound card that is already set up ?
[10:59] <Mena> ! :)
[10:59] <dhonglerdan> dhonglerdan: cool. well i also like msi... keep in mind most boards have their quirks tho, and dropping one for another isn't necessarily going to be less frustrating...
[11:00] <dhonglerdan> dragon: can't be turned off?
[11:00] <dhonglerdan> dragon: you are running linux?
[11:00] <dhonglerdan> dragon: if so, just make sure the driver for your sound card is installed and your sound system is set to use it as default
[11:00] <dhonglerdan> dragon: sound system = also or oss or whatever.
[11:00] <dhonglerdan> dragon: alsa rather...
[11:00] <ernie_> dragon - you can (I think) change the order of the cards so the PCI one becomes the default
[11:01] <crimsun> yes, you can.  index=foo.
[11:01] <Dragon> how do i do that?
[11:01] <Dragon> and i am running kubuntu feisty
[11:01] <crimsun> or use asoundconf(1) set-default-card
[11:01] <Dragon> well .... ubuntu with kde isntalled
[11:01] <crimsun> read the man page for asoundconf
[11:01] <Dragon> ok ty
[11:02] <dhonglerdan> well darn...this whole amarok action is frustrating... 22 song plays that aren't going to be uploaded for the forseeable future..
[11:03] <dhonglerdan> hey alright! i think i found a good query on google, maybe found some relevant info
[11:04] <AmyRose> Thanks Jucato--I just reduced it to this: kwriteconfig --file konquerorrc --group "FMSettings" --key MouseMiddleClickClosesTab --type bool true
[11:04] <AmyRose> darn
[11:04] <AmyRose> wrong command
[11:04] <Jucato> heh :)
[11:05] <Jucato> that's for middle click to close on Konqueror :)
[11:05] <AmyRose> Jucato: This is it: kwriteconfig --file ksmserverrc --group "Logout" --key doUbuntuLogout --type bool false
[11:05] <AmyRose> I know. It pasted the wrong thing
[11:05] <AmyRose> I like how the kwriteconfig command makes these things always take effect immediately
[11:05] <Jucato> AmyRose: just in case you want to also get rid of the fancy fading thingy, you have to add a doFancyLogout=false in there
[11:06] <baudthief> Is there anything "better" than ultra/real/tight VNC for windows? (controlling using an ubuntu box)
[11:06] <baudthief> need something with a better refresh ;\
[11:06] <Mena> Jucato.when i burn i choose the burning for linux and windows
[11:06] <baudthief> or rather, something that's better at tracking changes
[11:06] <AmyRose> Jucato: I don't want to get rid of that :P
[11:06] <Mena> Jucato.but its telling me i must cut the name to 16 characters
[11:06] <Mena> so
[11:06] <Mena> is there any solution for this
[11:07] <Mena> or this a should
[11:07] <Jucato> Mena: hm... I think there's an option, but I forgot... as I haven't seen that problem before
[11:07] <Mena> sorry a must*
[11:07] <Mena> hmm ok
[11:07] <AmyRose> baudthief: It's illegal to use anything but M$ Remote Desktop on XP
[11:08] <AmyRose> baudthief: The EULA specifically forbids it
[11:08] <Jucato> hm.. be back in a bit... nebulizing
[11:08] <AmyRose> I've got a new question--why the HECK did the logout dialog get changed?
[11:08] <dhonglerdan> i think this is an amarok bug...
[11:09] <Mena> Jucato, is this the one option allow max lenght iso966 filenames(37 character)
[11:09] <baudthief> AmyRose: How the hell do I get remote desktop to work on an XP Home Edition PC lol
[11:09] <Jucato> Mena: I think so. or the joliet option
[11:09] <Mena> ok
[11:09] <Mena> Thanks :)
[11:10] <FuriousGeorge> how is this possible
[11:10] <FuriousGeorge> it appears that glx works for 3d but not 2d
[11:10] <FuriousGeorge> iow when i drag windows around i can see me graphics card isnt helping
[11:13] <dhonglerdan> i'm downloading kdesvn and i'm going to look at the source of amarok and see if i can figure out what the problem is
[11:13] <Jucato> dhonglerdan: you could also wait for the devs in #amarok
[11:19] <dhonglerdan> is there a way to start amarok with debugging turned on without recompiling the whole thing?
[11:21] <Mena> Thanks for helpping me ....Bye !
[11:29] <AmyRose> Why the HECK did the logout dialog get changed?
[11:30] <intelikey> logout dialog ?
[11:31] <intelikey> AmyRose using kdm ?
[11:31] <_StefanS_> AmyRose: you can have your classic one easily
[11:31] <_StefanS_> AmyRose: just add [Logout] \n doUbuntuLogout=0 to your ~/.kde/share/config/ksmserverrc
[11:33] <AmyRose> _StefanS_: I'm not stupid--someone already told me that.
[11:33] <AmyRose> I'm asking why they changed it in the first place
[11:33] <_StefanS_> AmyRose: did I say you was stupid ? Proper language please
[11:35] <_StefanS_> AmyRose: Well it got changed because all other variants of ubuntu have a simplified logout dialog, In case you havent noticed (?)
[11:35] <schu-r> Question: In Windows I can open the Menu with the 'windowskey' or CRTL+ESC. Is there a similar key in KDE?
[11:36] <llutz> hi
[11:36] <Jucato> schu-r: Alt+F1 by default, but you can set it to whatever you like
[11:36] <Jucato> schu-r: System Settings -> Keyboard & Mouse -> Keyboard Shortcuts
[11:36] <AmyRose> So they're trying to make KDE more GNOME-like. Lovely... @_@
[11:36] <Jucato> schu-r: also, you might be interested in something a bit different, called Katapult. which is installed by default and activated by pressing Alt+Space
[11:37] <_StefanS_> AmyRose: not really, because it looks like that in xubuntu as well
[11:37] <schu-r> I have an old System with serial mouse an it is not working in the Live CD. So i have problems to start with it.
[11:37] <Jucato> AmyRose: any change in KDE does not mean it's becoming GNOME-like or anything. it just means it changed from the old one
[11:38] <_StefanS_> yea, that was a really narrow-sighted comment.
[11:38] <AmyRose> So now I'm short-sighted, huh?
[11:39] <_StefanS_> yes.
[11:39] <_StefanS_> Considering a changed logout dialog = Gnome is rather narrow IMHO
[11:40] <_StefanS_> AmyRose: whatever. Why don't you improve, or suggest ways kubuntu should go instead of just complaining ?
[11:40] <AmyRose> _StefanS_: I'm not allowed to ask why they did that?
[11:40] <Jucato> ok calm down, both of you, ok?
[11:43] <AmyRose> Jucato: Sorry, I wasn't trying to start a fight. I just felt like _StefanS_ was treating me like an idiot for asking why--he seemed to assume I was asking how to change it back when you already answered me
[11:43] <Jucato> AmyRose: and you assumed he saw that I already answered you :)
[11:43] <_StefanS_> :)
[11:43] <AmyRose> I tolerated the new dialog but didn't really like it myself. I'm just glad there's a way to get Konqi back
[11:44] <AmyRose> and I don't care if the reboot button works because I can always log out and then reboot
[11:44] <rizoma> hi
[11:45] <Jucato> AmyRose: hm?
[11:45] <Jucato> that's a different issue though, if you mean having only a logout button
[11:45] <Jucato> (*assuming* that's what you meant)
[11:46] <_StefanS_> AmyRose: you should know that while we discussed how the new logout was going to be, it was always a priority to be able to got back, because we knew that some users did not like it
[11:46] <AmyRose> Jucato: hahaha, well, I was just referring to the fact that the reboot button does nothing on the Konqi dialog
[11:46] <_StefanS_> AmyRose: that was meant in a friendly way :)
[11:46] <_StefanS_> AmyRose: I have submitted a bugfix to that reboot btw
[11:46] <AmyRose> Jucato: But that isn't important since the shut down and log out buttons work
[11:46] <Jucato> AmyRose: hm?
[11:46] <AmyRose> _StefanS_: OK
[11:46] <_StefanS_> AmyRose: will come in next week.
[11:46] <rizoma> anyone knows why o cant see in samba my winpc? i can access by ip number but i can see in the workgroup..
[11:46] <Jucato> _StefanS_: wasn't that fixed already?
[11:47] <_StefanS_> Jucato: should have been, but  somewhere the diff seemed to be messed up :(
[11:47] <AmyRose> Well, I haven't had new updates in a while (last checked 30 minutes ago)
[11:47] <Jucato> AmyRose: don't worry, that was one of the bugs I bugged _StefanS_ about :D
[11:47] <AmyRose> and still doesn't work (not that it's a big deal!)
[11:48] <_StefanS_> Well in all cases the bugs should go away soon :)
[11:48] <AmyRose> _StefanS_: I am glad you guys made sure the Konqi dialog would stay because my friend and I like seeing Konqi
[11:48] <Jucato> AmyRose: btw, you do know that you can change that image as well, right?
[11:48] <_StefanS_> AmyRose: sure thing, its all about choice
[11:49] <rizoma> no help?
[11:49] <llutz> _StefanS_: you're involved in kde-logout-screen development? how can i get rid of the suspend-buttons? ;)
 anyone knows why o cant see in samba my winpc? i can access by ip number but i can see in the workgroup.. <<< statement not ledgable
[11:50] <_StefanS_> rizoma: probably you need to enable login of an account on your xp pc (or enable guest)
[11:50] <_StefanS_> rizoma: I dont think it default allows you to browse the shares
[11:50] <AmyRose> llutz: http://wiki.kde.org/tiki-index.php?page=Hidden%20configuration
[11:51] <rizoma> _StefanS_: i can access by ip but not with the pc name
[11:51] <_StefanS_> llutz: yes I am
[11:51] <rizoma> i can write, read etc
[11:51] <_StefanS_> rizoma: you need to setup up lisa then
[11:51] <rizoma> lisa?
[11:51] <_StefanS_> rizoma: will scan the network using the netbios names
[11:52] <_StefanS_> rizoma: or allows you to access servers using the netbios names I mean
[11:52] <llutz> AmyRose: thanks, but that are the buttons i need for my users
[11:52] <rizoma> _StefanS_:  what 've to do?
[11:52] <_StefanS_> llutz: it will check if you can du suspend/hibernate and display the buttons
[11:52] <AmyRose> llutz: What?
[11:52] <rizoma> sorry for my bad english
[11:52] <_StefanS_> llutz: du/do
[11:52] <Jucato> (sorry his bad spelling :P)
[11:52] <llutz> _StefanS_: no chance to override it?
[11:53] <rizoma> ehm yes do.. bad digit over bad english
[11:53] <_StefanS_> llutz: uhm well dont think so actually. If you disable acpi/suspend in your system it might make them go away
[11:53] <AmyRose> llutz: What are you asking? Do you want them or don't you?
[11:54] <AmyRose> !away | _StefanS_
[11:54] <ubotu> _StefanS_: Please don't use public away messages or change your nick to 'someone|away'.  We know you're away when you don't respond to messages. Also see !guidelines and !nickspam
[11:54] <llutz> AmyRose: your link refers to shutdown/reboot, those are the buttons i'd like to keep
[11:54] <AmyRose> llutz: Oh.
[11:54] <llutz> AmyRose: the suspend-buttons i'd like to hide
[11:54] <rizoma> Jucato: please help me
[11:54] <rizoma> :
[11:55] <Jucato> rizoma: er.. what was the problem?
[11:55] <Jucato> rizoma: if it's networking related, I have no clue...
[11:55] <intelikey> :)
[11:56] <rizoma> yes i think samba cannot solve netbios name
[11:56] <lol_h> how does the unlock system work in Kubuntu?
[11:56] <intelikey> ?
[11:56] <lol_h> when I lock my desktop, it says 'Unlocking failed' when I try to unlock it
[11:57] <lol_h> and I'm 100% sure it's the correct password
[11:57] <lol_h> caps, numlock, querty/azerty, I checked everything
[11:57] <lol_h> I then start a new session and it works ok
[11:58] <intelikey> sounds like you have found a bug then
[11:58] <lol_h> well, maybe not
[11:58] <lol_h> I recently have messed up with permissions
[11:58] <lol_h> on some files in /etc
[11:58] <lol_h> and I think that the unlocking process tryes to read one file inthere
[11:58] <intelikey> that will break things
[11:58] <Heavenquake> I don't remember who, but some months ago someone helped me install my C-Media soundcard
[11:58] <lol_h> yes it did alright intelikey :)
[11:59] <Heavenquake> On this channel
[11:59] <lol_h> that guy is long gone now Heavenquake
[11:59] <lol_h> (only joking)
[11:59] <Heavenquake> lol_h: lol
[12:00] <Heavenquake> He directed me to a online guide. I forgot which it was, and now my card spells trouble again.
[12:00] <lol_h> did you try this Heavenquake : http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=C-Media+soundcard+ubuntu&btnG=Google+Search
[12:01] <intelikey> lol_h i can dcc you a list of the perms in my etc.  but i can't promice that they are all default.   i think everything but fstab and maybe  issue motd & ubuntu-release  or something will be.
[12:01] <lol_h> that would be great intelikey
[12:02] <lol_h> thx intelikey, going to dig into it
[12:02] <intelikey> np.
[12:03] <intelikey> oh you can ignore the  /etc/sysV  stuff you don't have it.
[12:04] <intelikey> spam http://pastebin.ca/476743
[12:05] <intelikey> lol_h oh one other thing.  files in the base dir of /etc/X11/   i wrote some of them so they may not be default.
[12:05] <intelikey> perms may not i mean.
[12:07] <intelikey> i
[12:07] <intelikey> i'd guess that  -rw-------  1 root root  2041 May  4 01:55 xorg.conf   was not default.
[12:09] <intelikey> and pretty sure you don't have  "-rw-r--r--  1 root root    676 Sep 21  2006 inittab.greg "    heh.
[12:12] <jussi01> i just made a new partition on my hdd (ext3) how do i see this from my current kubuntu install?
[12:12] <intelikey> mount it
[12:12] <intelikey> !mount
[12:12] <ubotu> Partitioning programs: !GParted or QTParted (also "man mkfs" for formatting) - Mounting partitions in Kubuntu, go to System Settings -> Advanced Tab -> Disks & Filesystem. See also !fstab and !DiskMounter
[12:12] <Maxdamantus> How do I remove KDE alltogether?
[12:12] <intelikey> disreguard that ^
[12:13] <intelikey> jussi01 man mount     man fstab.   if you need help ask.
[12:14] <intelikey> Maxdamantus remove something that it depends on ?    qt* maybe ?
[12:14] <Maxdamantus> No. Just remove it.
[12:14] <Maxdamantus> With aptitude.
[12:14] <Maxdamantus> I put kubuntu on my vm, and decided to use GNOME instead, since KDE uses more resources.
[12:14] <intelikey> Maxdamantus no remove something that it depends on. <that's the answer>    qt* maybe ?
[12:15] <Maxdamantus> qt* what?
[12:15] <Maxdamantus> What are you on about?
[12:15] <Jucato> Maxdamantus: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/puregnome
[12:15] <intelikey> "KDE uses more resources"  version ?   cause  kde 3.4 does not.
[12:15] <Maxdamantus> intelikey, KDE has always used more resources than GNOME.
[12:16] <Maxdamantus> GNOME is tiny compared to it.
[12:16] <intelikey> wrong
[12:16] <Jucato> Maxdamantus: http://ktown.kde.org/~seli/memory/desktop_benchmark.html
[12:17] <intelikey> either can be bloat city.  but either can be pretty light too.   it's easier for me to make kde more streamlined than gnome...
[12:17] <Jucato> (of course, a virtual machine isn't really the best way to measure resource usage)
[12:17] <Maxdamantus> I've always found GNOME lightweight.
[12:17] <intelikey> i never have.
[12:18] <Jucato> it only *looks* lightweight to me because of the fewer options...
[12:18] <intelikey> i can run kde and mozilla in 64M ram and never crash the app  but can't do it with gnome and moz..
[12:18] <Maxdamantus> No. I can actually tell the difference.
[12:18] <intelikey> yeah.  you're full of loco weed.
[12:19] <Maxdamantus> intelikey, that means it's more stable.
[12:19] <Maxdamantus> And yes, I do find it more stable.
[12:19] <Maxdamantus> But for my vm, which I'm making to be on my portable hdd, I want GNOME only.
[12:19] <Jucato> O>O
[12:19] <intelikey> prolly got a zillion giga hertz box with 20T of ram   and thinks he can tell the diff in the resources used.....
[12:19] <Jucato> I already gave you the link Maxdamantus
[12:19] <Maxdamantus> intelikey, no such number as a zillion.
[12:20] <Maxdamantus> And I doubt Linux could support 20T of RAM.
[12:20] <Maxdamantus> Let alone my motherboard.
[12:20] <intelikey> he's ignoring it Jucato
[12:20] <Maxdamantus> No.
[12:20] <Maxdamantus> I'm not complaining.
[12:20] <intelikey> no you're just blowing smoke.
[12:21] <Jucato> let's just leave it like that. if he refuses to believe otherwise, then let him
[12:21] <intelikey> and no OOMK has nothing to do with stability.  has everything to do with   ahhh out of memory....
[12:21] <Maxdamantus> Seriously. Try running KDE in a vm.
[12:21] <Maxdamantus> GNOME is far more lightweight.
[12:21] <Tm_T> Maxdamantus: intelikey: go to -offtopic
[12:21] <Jucato> seriously, why would you use a vm to measure resource usage?
[12:21] <Maxdamantus> I'm not.
[12:22] <Jucato> but like I said, the links have been given. enough already
[12:22] <Maxdamantus> But I can't really tell any difference without it.
[12:22] <Jucato> Maxdamantus: I'm referring to the psychocats link
[12:22] <Jucato> roflmao
[12:22] <Tm_T> Jucato: don't feed it anymore here, thank you
[12:22] <Jucato> Tm_T: just laughing. nothing else
[12:23] <intelikey> Tm_T check what was happening in here....  there's not been any chatter....  so unless someone asks a Q what's the deal ?
[12:23] <Jucato> Tm_T: you keep watch, I'm leaving. see yah
[12:24] <Jucato> intelikey: the deal is that some people would feel intimidated to ask an ontopic question upon seeing a heated discussion
[12:24] <Jucato> the second deal is that we have rules
[12:24] <Jucato> which I know you know by now
[12:24] <intelikey> heat ?    sorry.   didn't know it was heated...
[12:24] <Tm_T> intelikey: a) it's OT  b) the way discussion is been going, is not correct here either (I may tolerate it better in -ot)  c) that discussion scares people away
[12:25] <Jucato> ok really going now.
[12:25] <Tm_T> HUSH!
[12:25] <Tm_T> ;)
[12:25] <intelikey> ok i can take a hint.
[12:26] <Tm_T> aww, how cute
[12:39] <DexterF> hi
[12:40] <Heavenquake> I seriously can't get my sound card to work. I've googl'ed it alot, but nothing helped. It's a C-Media CM8738 card. The module seems to be loaded, but there is no sound whatsoever
[12:40] <DexterF> weird problem: 7.04 live dvd, all fine, installed, rebooted. during boot it complains about a damaged cable or sumsuch, and when I'm in the login screen neither my keyboard nor my mouse work.
[12:41] <Heavenquake> It's on Edgy
[12:42] <DexterF> Heavenquake: hmm. got onboard sound as well? tried disabling it for testing?
[12:42] <Heavenquake> DexterF: I am not sure if I have onboard or not. How do I check?
[12:43] <DexterF> well... are there sound jacks in the ATX field at the rear?
[12:43] <Heavenquake> DexterF: Excuse me?
[12:44] <Heavenquake> Oh, you mean like holes to plugin the speakers? Yeah they are there
[12:45] <DexterF> and you got a pci sound card as well or do you use this onboard sound?
[12:46] <sadistic_kitten> Hey people I'm having the most random problem: the 'n' key works everywhere else except kopete. I have tried removing and reinstalling kopete but no
[12:47] <Heavenquake> DexterF: It seems I've got both. But neither is producing any sound
[12:47] <Heavenquake> The onboard one is an nForce thing from nvidia
[12:47] <DexterF> uh huh, suspecteed this. try disabling the one you don't use, I guess that would be onboard.
[12:47] <chijin> Heavenquake: my cm8738 works right out of the box
[12:47] <Heavenquake> DexterF: How do I disable it?
[12:49] <DexterF> Heavenquake: BIOS
[12:49] <Heavenquake> DexterF: Oh well. Brb then
[12:50] <crusie> hi
[12:50] <crusie> I need some help - I want to print out a guide to set up wine... only I can' seem to figure out how to install my printer
[12:50] <AmyRose> Jucato: Should we KDE users use the ubuntuforums.org or the kubuntu forum you're on?
[12:51] <sadistic_kitten> Hey people I'm having the most random problem: the 'n' key works everywhere else except kopete. I have tried removing and reinstalling kopete but no
[12:51] <DexterF> sadistic_kitten: come again?
[12:51] <crusie> when I use the guide in unbuntu I can't select USB which is where the printer is plugged into
[12:51] <Jucato> AmyRose: no problem using both
[12:51] <sadistic_kitten> DexterF: I will press the 'n' key in a kopete conversation and it wont work
[12:51] <sadistic_kitten> but everywhere else is fine
[12:52] <sadistic_kitten> random huh?
[12:52] <AmyRose> crusie: You should be doing it through the system settings or KDE control center
[12:52] <crusie> I'm trying to... but can't select USB as the port.. it only has lpt and serial and com
[12:52] <sadistic_kitten> DexterF: I've tried reinstalling kopete, looking at shortcuts, but I don't understand why it is doing it
[12:52] <DexterF> sadistic_kitten: ok, this definetly should go into a "weirdest issues ever" list. are you using some kind of unusaul font in kopete?
[12:52] <sadistic_kitten> I don't think so
[12:53] <sadistic_kitten> pretty much just installed
[12:53] <sadistic_kitten> the last thing I did was install Beryl
[12:53] <AmyRose> crusie: Can you please post a screen shot on imageshack/photobucket?
[12:53] <animimotus> hi
[12:53] <DexterF> sadistic_kitten: does beryl hog "n" for something mayhap?
[12:53] <crusie> sure
[12:53] <Heavenquake> DexterF: That solved it
[12:53] <AmyRose> DexterF: Haha, I wouldn't be surprised
[12:53] <sadistic_kitten> DexterF: hmmm, good idea I shall check
[12:53] <animimotus> someone can remember my the applet with a phone icon witch can put in task bar ?
[12:53] <DexterF> Heavenquake: damn I'm good ;)
[12:54] <animimotus> * remember me
[12:54] <AmyRose> As much as I love Beryl, I like being able to use F7 for my applications, not for the window manager
[12:54] <dangaio> anybody with experience using kdevelop?
[12:55] <Heavenquake> dangaio: I've got limited experience
[12:55] <AmyRose> Heavenquake: You know what the best thing about kompmgr is? It works on my Pentium II smoothly!
[12:55] <Jucato> AmyRose: say bye bye to buggy kompmgr :)
[12:55] <DexterF> Heavenquake: (k)ubuntu and "more than one sound card" has been troublesome ever since, if you should really need both someday, you might wanna check how to writa an .asoundrc file. till then - try gtetting along without onboard
[12:55] <AmyRose> Jucato: What? Darn, it worked so well on my Pentium II, too...
[12:55] <crusie> AmyRose: now I might be a bit dumb... but shouldn't printscr work as a standard shortcut ?
[12:56] <Heavenquake> DexterF: I think I'll survive without the onboard
[12:56] <Jucato> AmyRose: oh don't be so sad. Say hello to a better, more stable kwin_composite in KDE 4 :)
[12:56] <AmyRose> crusie: Uh, it should pop up ksnapshot, letting you save the screen shot
[12:56] <AmyRose> Jucato: Goody!
[12:56] <Heavenquake> oh, and dangaio: do ask around #kdevelop <-- people usually answer
[12:56] <AmyRose> Jucato: It is neat how I can use kompmgr's effects on a slow machine
[12:56] <crusie> ah now it works :D
[12:57] <AmyRose> crusie: If it really won't work, you can always hit Alt-Print Screen, and then paste the contents somewhere
[12:57] <dangaio> Heavenquake: I created a project on my home pc. I copy the project directory to my jump drive and paste it to my lab  computer. The project compiled on my PC but  it fails to compile at the lab. I didn't change anything. The error I get is failed to remake the make file. I already tried asking at #kdevelop. Nobody answers.
[12:57] <Jucato> AmyRose: it's funny how kompmgr works, but then gets buggy after a long time, on a not so slow machine :)
[12:57] <crusie> AmyRose:  I can't get it to work while showing the dropdown menu of the ports I have to choose from
[12:57] <AmyRose> Jucato: Yeah, I do keep seeing more and more bugs after a while, which is why it's all off right now
[12:57] <AmyRose> Jucato: And I'm too lazy to use Beryl at the moment :P
[12:58] <sadistic_kitten> DexterF: I could not find a shortcut in Beryl either
[12:58] <Jucato> crusie: set it to take the screenshot after a delay of __ seconds
[12:58] <AmyRose> I don't recall the list of ports being a drop-down.
[12:58] <sadistic_kitten> DexterF: is there and easy way to find a shortcut in a program?
[12:58] <crusie> well I might be looking the wrong place then
[12:59] <crusie> I've pressed system/administration/printing/add new printer
[01:00] <AmyRose> crusie: Uh, you're asking about GNOME in the KDE channel
[01:00] <Jucato> crusie: I think you are on Ubuntu/GNOME
[01:00] <crusie> ah wait... just realized I might be in the wrong channel *gets red ears*
[01:00] <Jucato> yes you are in the wrong place :)
[01:00] <AmyRose> crusie: Heh, don't worry about it
[01:00] <crusie> rofl
[01:00] <crusie> sorry :d
[01:00] <Jucato> hehe it's ok
[01:00] <AmyRose> don't worry about it
[01:00] <crusie> where would be the place to go then ?
[01:00] <Jucato> #ubuntu
[01:00] <crusie> oki
[01:00] <crusie> thanx a lot :d
[01:00] <AmyRose> unless you're in XFCE
[01:00] <crusie> I'm not... just a standard install
[01:00] <AmyRose> lol
[01:00] <Jucato> you can now list that as one of your embarrassing IRC moments :)
[01:01] <AmyRose> Yeah, then you're using GNOME
[01:01] <Jucato> AmyRose: Xfce doesn't have a System main menu :)
[01:01] <AmyRose> But KDE's better, crusie. I can assure you of that
[01:01] <Jucato> I mean, Xubuntu
[01:01] <sadistic_kitten> DexterF: sorry about the random drop out there I closed the wrong window
[01:01] <sadistic_kitten> did I miss anything?
[01:01] <AmyRose> Jucato: I'm kidding :P
[01:01] <DexterF> sadistic_kitten: dunno. you should ask in #kopete about it. would be interesting to monitor where key events go... strace.. mmh... sh!t fight :P
[01:01] <AmyRose> Jucato: Well, not about KDE being superior
[01:02] <sadistic_kitten> DexterF: kk thanks
[01:02] <DexterF> or tcpdump and monitor X/kopete dialogs.
[01:02] <AmyRose> You know, though, KDE does have the absolute best GUI for setting up printers that I've ever seen on Linux.
[01:02] <Jucato> AmyRose: :P
[01:02] <AmyRose> I can't figure out how to get GNOME's to work
[01:02] <Jucato> yes, they put a lot of work on the kdeprint...and they're actually trying to make the UI even better for KDE 4
[01:03] <AmyRose> (Yeah, I do occasionally test-drive GNOME because I get curious, but I like KDE a lot better)
[01:03] <Jucato> well, then, I'm off for dinner! :)
[01:03] <AmyRose> And I know I might get shot for saying this, but Fedora+KDE is a very good distro :P
[01:05] <Jucato> bye now :P
[01:05] <llutz> AmyRose: nothing rpm-related can be a "very good distro" :)
[01:05] <sadistic_kitten> lol well said
[01:05] <AmyRose> Jucato: But at least I said KDE made it good :PO
[01:05] <AmyRose> :P *
[01:06] <AmyRose> llutz: I didn't run into problems with RPM. What I ran into problems with was that it didn't include drivers like Kubuntu does.
[01:06] <AmyRose> llutz: I admire Fedora for wanting to be purely GPL-compatible though
[01:06] <superkirbyartist> Yo people.
[01:06] <AmyRose> hello superkirbyartist
[01:07] <superkirbyartist> How do I upgrade my iMac from Edgy to Feisty.
[01:07] <superkirbyartist> Go Amy!
[01:07] <AmyRose> !upgrade | superkirbyartist
[01:07] <ubotu> superkirbyartist: See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes for upgrading from Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft) to Kubuntu 7.04 (Feisty Fawn)
[01:07] <superkirbyartist> I always race as her in sonic riders.
[01:07] <superkirbyartist> Do these instructions work for PowerPC?
[01:07] <AmyRose> Yes
[01:07] <superkirbyartist> Thanks.
[01:07] <superkirbyartist> Cheers.
[01:07] <AmyRose> superkirbyartist: thanks :)
[01:08] <superkirbyartist> By the way, is there a way to emulate middle/right mouse button?
[01:08] <AmyRose> superkirbyartist: How many buttons does your mouse have?
[01:08] <sadistic_kitten> mac's have only one
[01:08] <AmyRose> sadistic_kitten: Not all of them :P
[01:08] <sadistic_kitten> that's like their thing
[01:08] <superkirbyartist> One button on the mouse.
[01:08] <sadistic_kitten> bah!
[01:08] <AmyRose> sadistic_kitten: Apple has been selling mice with multiple buttons for a while now
[01:09] <sadistic_kitten> well then
[01:09] <sadistic_kitten> ^_^
[01:09] <AmyRose> superkirbyartist: You really should get a mouse with at least 2 buttons
[01:09] <superkirbyartist> AmyRose: Is there not a way to emulate mouse buttons?
[01:09] <AmyRose> superkirbyartist: Middle, yes, but you need 2 buttons to do it
[01:10] <sadistic_kitten> superkirbyartist: I think you can just press a modifier key and click
[01:10] <AmyRose> superkirbyartist: Kubuntu defaults to letting you press the left and right buttons simultaneously to simulate the middle button, but there's no way that I know of to emulate the right button
[01:10] <sadistic_kitten> but I dunno
[01:10] <superkirbyartist> KMouseTool?
[01:10] <AmyRose> superkirbyartist: Maybe... have you tried it?
[01:11] <MartyMcFly> I have just made a fix for a bug in Kubuntu Feisty Fawn Final. I've filed the fix on launchpad.net, but how do I make sure the fix is included in the official repo updates?
[01:11] <superkirbyartist> Doesn't seem to help
[01:11] <AmyRose> sadistic_kitten: I remember Apple selling a mouse with 5 buttons recently :P
[01:11] <sadistic_kitten> lol ok AmyRose stfu now
[01:12] <AmyRose> superkirbyartist: What I really recommend doing is getting a cheap USB wheel mouse.
[01:12] <AmyRose> superkirbyartist: Those have 3 buttons (pushing the wheel is the middle button)
[01:13] <superkirbyartist> All right.
[01:13] <superkirbyartist> Thanks anyways.
[01:13] <sadistic_kitten> 4 mins MartyMcFly waited
[01:13] <AmyRose> superkirbyartist: Well, the upgrade instructions will work now :)
[01:14] <AmyRose> superkirbyartist: You don't need a new mouse for that
[01:14] <AmyRose> darn
[01:14] <AmyRose> yay for cheap 2-wheeled mice....
[01:14] <sadistic_kitten> AmyRose: what did I say
[01:15] <AmyRose> sadistic_kitten: You said this: [06:14]  <sadistic_kitten> AmyRose: what did I say
[01:15] <sadistic_kitten> indeed
[01:15] <AmyRose> hahaha
[01:15] <sadistic_kitten> but I also said : 21:11 < sadistic_kitten> lol ok AmyRose stfu now
[01:15] <AmyRose> !ohmy | sadistic_kitten
[01:15] <ubotu> sadistic_kitten: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[01:16] <sadistic_kitten> ..it was an acronym
[01:16] <sadistic_kitten> *in an
[01:16] <sadistic_kitten> (you'd have to know the word first)
[01:16] <sadistic_kitten> is that still not acceptable?
[01:16] <AmyRose> It was still kinda rude
[01:16] <sadistic_kitten> okie dok then
[01:17] <sadistic_kitten> either way
[01:17] <sadistic_kitten> ...what was my point?
[01:17] <Tm_T> !ati
[01:17] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[01:17] <sadistic_kitten> oh well
[01:17] <AmyRose> that it's unacceptable to help someone get a good mouse for Kubuntu :P
[01:17] <sadistic_kitten> kk
[01:17] <Tm_T> sadistic_kitten: hrr, bad you
[01:18] <Tm_T> !away | jonathank-away
[01:18] <ubotu> jonathank-away: Please don't use public away messages or change your nick to 'someone|away'.  We know you're away when you don't respond to messages. Also see !guidelines and !nickspam
[01:18] <AmyRose> I really think ubotu should add information on using /away
[01:18] <sadistic_kitten> ...wah?
[01:18] <sadistic_kitten> Tm_T: wah?
[01:19] <adil> hi all?
[01:19] <AmyRose> I was told by the ops here that /away is the right way to indicate you're away since it doesn't add extra junk to the channel
[01:19] <Tm_T> sadistic_kitten: f to you too ;)
[01:19] <Tm_T> AmyRose: true
[01:19] <Tm_T> AmyRose: I have autoaway to set me /away after 15 min of inactivity etc
[01:19] <sadistic_kitten> Tm_T: I'm still confused
[01:19] <Jucato> AmyRose: the bigger problem is that some people set their clients to show a public away message when they use /away
[01:20] <Tm_T> sadistic_kitten: acronym or not, we know what it means
[01:20] <adil> is there any tools which gives u a dignostic about the materials
[01:20] <AmyRose> Jucato: Yeah, I know... I disabled that in Konversation
[01:20] <adil> in kubuntu
[01:20] <sadistic_kitten> Tm_T: oh, ok. Yeah I won't do it again
[01:20] <sadistic_kitten> soz
[01:20] <AmyRose> Jucato: Konversation now ONLY does a /away instead of publicizing it
[01:20] <Tm_T> AmyRose: "materials" ?
[01:20] <Tm_T> adil:
[01:20] <Tm_T> agh! shame on me, SHAME!
[01:20] <adil> devices
[01:21] <AmyRose> hahaha
[01:21] <Jucato> AmyRose: it has always had that disabled. Sho_ never enabled it by default
[01:21] <Tm_T> adil: kinfocenter?
[01:21] <AmyRose> adil: kinfocenter
[01:21] <adil> which mean devices
[01:21] <adil> kinfocenter?
[01:21] <AmyRose> Jucato: Hmm, the default in Edgy at least was to change my nick to AmyRose|away
[01:21] <adil> it included in the kde
[01:21] <adil> in this interface
[01:21] <Jucato> AmyRose: hmm you have a strange installation then :P
[01:21] <AmyRose> I remember having to disable that in the identity settings
[01:22] <Jucato> adil: yes it is included by default
[01:22] <adil> jucato 10x a lot
[01:22] <Jucato> adil: K Menu -> System -> KinfoCenter
[01:22] <AmyRose> Jucato: Well, now it's set up properly to only set a /away message and nothing else
[01:22] <Tm_T> adil: what is 10x?
[01:22] <adil> nice i find it
[01:22] <AmyRose> since it's easy to see from the nicklist who's away just by seeing who's dimmed
[01:22] <adil> thnaks = 10x
[01:23] <Tm_T> adil: then say "thanks" ;)
[01:23] <sadistic_kitten> adil: how the hell does 10x = thanks?
[01:23] <Jucato> ten + x = tenx
[01:23] <Tm_T> sadistic_kitten: pffft!
[01:24] <Jucato> ugh my monitor just turned edgy on me :(
[01:24] <froggie> tanks
[01:24] <Jucato> er.. screen
[01:24] <sadistic_kitten> that is the most apsurd net speek I've heard of yet
[01:24] <Tm_T> sadistic_kitten: and also offtopic
[01:24] <sadistic_kitten> appart from when people spell 3 letter words with 6 completely random ones just to look cool
[01:25] <adil> so i see u, tanks alot :)
[01:25] <Tm_T> sadistic_kitten: don't make me repeat
[01:25] <sadistic_kitten> kk
[01:25] <sadistic_kitten> is there a kubuntu chat channel or something?
[01:25] <Jucato> !offtopic | sadistic_kitten
[01:25] <ubotu> sadistic_kitten: #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[01:26] <Jucato> hm.. bot is slow...
[01:26] <sadistic_kitten> cool
[01:26] <Jucato> #kubuntu-offtopic or #ubuntu-offtopic
[01:26] <Jucato> choose your hell...
[01:26] <sadistic_kitten> huzzah!
[01:26] <Tm_T> Jucato: you mean "choose it well" ?
[01:26] <Jucato> Tm_T: don't make me repeat :)
[01:26] <Tm_T> haha
[01:27] <Jucato> food's ready...
[01:28] <froggie> does anyone know if the realplayer for linux is free?
[01:28] <sadistic_kitten> froggie: I think so
[01:28] <Tm_T> froggie: helix is pretty "free"
[01:29] <sadistic_kitten> $sudo apt-cache search realplayer
[01:29] <froggie> looking to get something to play realplayer streams in websites
[01:29] <Tm_T> apt-cache doesn't need sudo
[01:30] <sadistic_kitten> w/e
[01:30] <sadistic_kitten> it's habbit to use sudo with apt
[01:30] <Tm_T> heh
[01:31] <AmyRose> How do you submit a correction to ubotu?
[01:32] <JuJuBee> How/where do I enter the command /msg nickserv identify <myPasswd> in KOPETE?  When I enter it in the chat window or the server window all I get is another window  with my nickname and Identify <myPasswd>
[01:35] <AmyRose> JuJuBee: That should be all you need to do. but konversation is a better IRC client than Kopete, to be honest.
[01:35] <JuJuBee> I'll check it out... Thanks.
[01:36] <AmyRose> JuJuBee: Yeah, Konversation is designed for IRC. Kopete is an instant messenger with IRC kinda tacked on, it seems.
[01:36] <JuJuBee> OK.
[01:37] <sadistic_kitten> and you know what's better JuJuBee ...
[01:37] <sadistic_kitten> irssi
[01:37] <sadistic_kitten> it is an excelent irc client
[01:37] <sadistic_kitten> but then you'll need and excellent terminal emulator as well : yakuake
[01:38] <sadistic_kitten> apt-get both and you'll be swimming
[01:38] <JuJuBee> I liked kopete because it did IM as well.
[01:38] <sadistic_kitten> JuJuBee: yeah I run kopete as well but only for msn
[01:44] <maass_> join #ubuntu-sa/
[01:47] <JuJuBee> OK, I downloaded konverstation, yakuake, irssi.  i am looking in knoverstaion where to configure the command /mesg nickserv identify...  Can't seem to find it...
[01:49] <_StefanS_> JuJuBee: you have to go under identities(f8)
[01:50] <_StefanS_> JuJuBee: then add 'nickserv' under service, and password
[01:50] <CrypTom> hi all, since the upgrade (can tell exactly if it was the upgrade), I dont "see" my wlan interface (ipw3945 on Lenovo X60) when I execute ifconfig -a
[01:50] <CrypTom> the hardware switch is on
[01:50] <CrypTom> bluetooth led is on
[01:51] <CrypTom> but the wlan led is off, the module ipw3945 is loaded
[01:51] <_StefanS_> CrypTom: did you install the restricted drivers?
[01:51] <_StefanS_> CrypTom: you should use the Fn+F5 key (assuming a thinkpad)
[01:51] <CrypTom> _StefanS_: I tried that as well (Fn+F5), it only changes bluetooth
[01:52] <CrypTom> _StefanS_: do I really need restricted modules if ipw3945 is loaded?
[01:52] <_StefanS_> CrypTom: hmm well dont know really
[01:52] <CrypTom> _StefanS_: ok, but I will try
[01:53] <_StefanS_> CrypTom: I sometimes had this issue after upgrading... ah!
[01:53] <_StefanS_> CrypTom: I remember now :)
[01:54] <_StefanS_> CrypTom: ibm_acpi needs a echo "1" > into the wlan thing
[01:54] <CrypTom> _StefanS_: I only have /proc/acpi/ibm/wan not wlan
[01:54] <_StefanS_> yes I trying to figure it out.. please wait
[01:55] <_StefanS_> I/I'm
[01:55] <CrypTom> _StefanS_: Thanks, btw: Do you know, what the bios option WAN Interface means (just below WLAN)?
[01:55] <_StefanS_> not really, sorry.
[01:55] <jink_> hey can any1 pl tell me how to change theme in kubuntu??????
[01:56] <_StefanS_> jink_: system settings -> appearance
[01:56] <jink_> ok
[01:56] <JuJuBee> Thanks _StefanS_  I see it now...
[01:56] <jink_> stefan
[01:56] <jink_> over there, ther r many options
[01:57] <_StefanS_> jink_: true.
[01:57] <_StefanS_> jink_: goto style
[01:57] <brokennib> can i mount a downloaded file frm the net to  linux frm windows?
[01:57] <_StefanS_> CrypTom: cant find it, but have you tried to up the interface manually?
[01:57] <_StefanS_> brokennib: depends on what you mean by mount
[01:58] <_StefanS_> brokennib: an iso ?
[01:58] <_StefanS_> brokennib: you should install kiso then..
[01:58] <brokennib> look im a new linux user
[01:58] <jink_> i have downloaded a theme and its in .bz2 format
[01:58] <CrypTom> _StefanS_: yes, but: No such devic
[01:58] <brokennib> kiso? means wat _StefanS_
[01:58] <CrypTom> _StefanS_: is a reboot required after installing restricted modules
[01:58] <CrypTom> ?
[01:58] <_StefanS_> CrypTom: oh yes
[01:59] <dromer> hmm, ssh from on box to the other seems to go REALLY snowly lately, anybody know of any recent bugs or anything?
[01:59] <_StefanS_> brokennib: yes, but what is the file you need to mount ?
[01:59] <CrypTom> _StefanS_: ok, cu, be right back
[01:59] <brokennib> i want to mount Xchat
[01:59] <brokennib> :)
[01:59] <brokennib> can i _StefanS_ ?
[02:00] <_StefanS_> brokennib: well you cant RUN a linux app from windows. But you might be able to find a port for windows
[02:00] <_StefanS_> dromer: nope, you might have a router that drops packets, or bad internet
[02:00] <brokennib> but how _StefanS_ ?
[02:00] <jink_> ANYBODY:  PL let me know how to apply downloaded theme
[02:01] <_StefanS_> brokennib: that might help: http://www.silverex.org/download/
[02:01] <dromer> any pro's around with 'synergy' experience? I'm having some trouble with connections being dropped lately
[02:01] <_StefanS_> jink_: launch kcontrol and go into Appearance & Themes -> Theme Manager
[02:01] <brokennib> now wat if i download this ..can i transfer all my windows file to linux _StefanS_ ?
[02:02] <jink_> ok stefan will try
[02:02] <_StefanS_> brokennib: yes you can, but programs from windows will not run on linux and vice versa (except for some conversions)
[02:02] <brokennib> ohh
[02:02] <CrypTom> _StefanS_: it really was the restricted-modules packages... it works now, thanks
[02:02] <_StefanS_> CrypTom: I'm glad :)
[02:03] <_StefanS_> CrypTom: the firmware is not opensource, hence its there in the restricted (IMHO)
[02:03] <_StefanS_> AFAIK ;D
[02:03] <brokennib> u mean if i want a msn msger i will hve to dowload it al over again frm the net for linux?? s
[02:03] <CrypTom> _StefanS_: ok, thank you very much
[02:03] <jink_> stefen im unable to find k control
[02:03] <_StefanS_> brokennib: you can just use an equivalent program like kopete or gaim instead. Gives somewhat the same experience
[02:04] <_StefanS_> jink_: KMenu -> Run command , type in 'kcontrol'
[02:04] <brokennib> ohh
[02:04] <brokennib> ok now let me tell u somethin _StefanS_  all this sounds more of latin coz im a new linux user
[02:05] <jink_> thanks a lot stefan
[02:19] <Balal> Hey. I'm new to Ubuntu. Anyone knows how ti install sound drivers for Creative SoundBlaster X-Fi?
[02:20] <Balal> /wii Balal
[02:20] <crimsun> there are no such drivers, Balal.
[02:20] <Balal> Oh... Nosound? :|
[02:26] <Dragnslcr> I would guess that the stock Alsa drivers should work pretty well
[02:26] <Dragnslcr> They seem to do okay for my onboard sound chip
[02:27] <crimsun> the stock alsa drivers do  /not/  support the X-Fi.
[02:27] <Balal> fuck...
[02:27] <crimsun> Creative is writing closed-source, proprietary, binary-only drivers that are due late this year.
[02:28] <Balal> .. which means i have to live with no sound? :\
[02:29] <crimsun> Balal: if you don't wish to install another audio device, then you're out of luck currently.
[02:33] <Dragnslcr> The alsa drivers don't work at all for it? Wow, guess I'm glad I went with a motherboard that has decent (as good as the Audigy I had in my Windows computer) onboard sound
[02:33] <Aaronfromchina> is Gimp the best photo editor in KDE as well?
[02:35] <sdf> hi i installed clamtk and when i open it from application>accessories >virus scanner  i had this messege " unable to view  calam va information file   this will affect" and when cancel this messege to scan any file i had error messege " you don t appear to have any viruses definitions how can i solve this problem??
[02:36] <sdf> can any one help??
[02:36] <OutoLumo> Hih, all!
[02:36] <OutoLumo> sdf, what's the problem?
[02:37] <mlypaw> elo
[02:37] <mlypaw> ppotzrebuje pomocy
[02:38] <Jucato> sdf: sounds like you are using Ubuntu/GNOME, and that clamtk seems to be a GTK app. probably better if you asked in #ubuntu
[02:38] <mlypaw> juest tu ktos??
[02:38] <Jucato> mlypaw: English only please
[02:38] <mlypaw> nie umiem
[02:38] <XeRoX> hi can't close Konversation serverlist its dead, how can I force it to cloce?
[02:38] <mlypaw> :( a potrzebuje pomocy
[02:38] <sdf>  outolumo :hi i installed clamtk and when i open it from application>accessories >virus scanner  i had this messege " unable to view  calam va information file   this will affect" and when cancel this messege to scan any file i had error messege " you don t appear to have any viruses definitions
[02:38] <ndiswrapper_user> ndiswrapper problem --> could someone help me
[02:38] <mlypaw> nikt tu nierozmawia po polsku??
[02:39] <pag> !pl | mlypaw
[02:39] <ubotu> mlypaw: Mozesz uzyskac pomoc w jezyku polskim na #ubuntu-pl
[02:39] <mlypaw> sory
[02:39] <mlypaw> bay
[02:39] <OutoLumo> sdf, Jucato seems to be right... Try asking from gnomes :-)
[02:40] <sdf> hehe
[02:40] <sdf> ok guys
[02:40] <sdf> any way thank you
[02:40] <sdf> jucato ..................
[02:41] <Tm_T> OutoLumo: btw you're actually in France now?
[02:41] <OutoLumo> I just had the most weird experience... couldn't log in the X. It turned out that the problem was that chmod for /dev/null was only 600, and others couldn't write to it. I must have some userscript wrong.
[02:41] <OutoLumo> Tm_T, yes, in Rouen.
[02:41] <OutoLumo> I mean initscripts
[02:42] <Tm_T> OutoLumo: interesting :)
[02:42] <Tm_T> !fi | OutoLumo
[02:42] <ubotu> OutoLumo: Suomenkielinen keskustelu (K)Ubuntusta kanavilla #ubuntu-fi ja #kubuntu-fi
[02:42] <OutoLumo> ubotu, ty :-) Do you mind if I hang around here as well? I have an age old experience from debian...
[02:43] <ndiswrapper_user> could someone help me with a ndiswrapper problem
[02:43] <Tm_T> OutoLumo: ubotu is a bot, and no, you hang where you like ;)
[02:44] <OutoLumo> Tm_T, It just told me so :-)
[02:45] <OutoLumo> Tm_T, but as you wish :-)
[02:52] <ndiswrapper_user> could someone help me with a ndiswrapper problem
[02:54] <ndiswrapper_user> since I have updated to feisty, my kubuntu crash, if I start the ndiswrapper
[02:56] <oem> test
[02:59] <nuu> OutoLumo: Rouen, that's beautiful
[02:59] <nuu> i love that city
[03:01] <rizoma> hi
[03:01] <JuJuBee> I need a terminal where I can create shortcuts and set the name/title for the session.  Can someone suggest one?
[03:01] <Jucato> Konsole?
[03:01] <rizoma> i cannot find smb in adept i need to install samba server
[03:02] <fdoving> rizoma: search for samba instead of smb.
[03:02] <nuu> search for samba
[03:02] <JuJuBee> Konsole seems to have a lag for some reason... Terminal does not have lag, but cannot automagically set title...
[03:02] <Jucato> rizoma: the package name is samba I think
[03:02] <Jucato> what lag?
[03:02] <rizoma> i've installed samba but if i try to share something kde tell me that no server installed
[03:03] <Jucato> JuJuBee: what do you mean by "lag"? also, you can rename a session by pressing Ctrl+Alt+S
[03:04] <rizoma> why kde tell me to install smb if i ve installed samba?
[03:06] <Jucato> !samba
[03:06] <ubotu> samba is is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT
[03:07] <JuJuBee> Jucato : I do not want to rename it every time I use it.  I have equipment rack I connect to (networking class) and I want to est shortcuts...
[03:07] <judgen> !paprika
[03:07] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about paprika - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:09] <rizoma> this links dont talk about kubuntu
[03:09] <rizoma> smb create some problems... for my little 3 days experience
[03:11] <rizoma> in adept samba (i think different to smb) is not only client
[03:11] <rizoma> strange.....
[03:19] <dwidmann> rizoma: smb is just an abreviation for samba. There are a few clients available though. Konqueror uses its own samba client out of the box, smbfs allows you to mount a file share, smb4k also works for samba browsing.
[03:20] <Skrot-> Hi, is there a way to restart Xorg and KDM from a ssh command line?
[03:22] <llutz> Skrot-: sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart
[03:22] <Skrot-> Are you sure that will work from a ssh shell?
[03:23] <llutz> Skrot-: if you are on the desired machine, sure
[03:23] <Skrot-> I'm ssh'ed in to the desired machine indeed
[03:23] <llutz> Skrot-: end you have root-rights?
[03:23] <Skrot-> yes
[03:23] <llutz> Skrot-: ssh is like being logged-in locally
[03:24] <Skrot-> Let's try then
[03:28] <rizoma> dwidmann: what package i've to install to share something to xp? (samba in the default installation of kubuntu 7.4 doest share?)
[03:28] <rizoma> i've fear to loss my visibility of xp in kubuntu....
[03:29] <rizoma> sorry 4 bad english
[03:29] <dwidmann> rizoma: I think it's a bug in the samba package. "samba" is the package to install, and it worked in 6.10, but I can't get it to work in 7.04 (or debian 4.0 either for that matter)
[03:30] <dwidmann> rizoma: try pulling the samba package from edgy and installing it ... it may work then
[03:31] <rizoma> it's compatible with kde?
[03:31] <dwidmann> rizoma: it more or less doesn't have anything to do with kde .... it's seperate
[03:32] <rizoma> i dont eant to set permission or something like in the terminal
[03:32] <rizoma> want
[03:33] <rizoma> i can manage it from kde?
[03:34] <dwidmann> rizoma: to configure samba there's a kcontrol module
[03:34] <rizoma> this mean "yes"?
[03:34] <rizoma> 0_0
[03:36] <dwidmann> yes, but it's just a frontend for editing the file "/etc/samba/smb.conf"
[03:37] <rizoma> ah ok =)
[03:37] <dwidmann> As per other things, you can browse the shares with konqueror, it has its own built in client.
[03:37] <dwidmann> (independant of the apparently broken samba package)
[03:38] <rizoma> now i try first to remove and reinstall default samba from adept
[03:38] <rizoma> if it doesnt work i've to look to edgy
[03:40] <dwidmann> rizoma: just download the edgy packages and install those, that should work ... I've decided to test that theory myself actually, I'm working on that now
[03:42] <rizoma> where or how i can download that version?
[03:42] <rizoma> ubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft)  it's ok?
[03:42] <dwidmann> rizoma: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/s/samba/ is probably where you'll find it
[03:43] <The_Machine> Little help?  I'm trying to install a java package and I'm getting this error (with Add/Remove Packages):  There was an error committing changes. Possibly there was a problem downloading some packages or the commit would break packages.
[03:43] <dwidmann> assuming I memorized the directory structure correctly
[03:43] <dwidmann> The_Machine: try to install it with apt-get in a terminal and see if you get any errors
[03:43] <The_Machine> dwidmann - okay
[03:44] <dwidmann> rizoma: I was wrong, http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/s/samba
[03:45] <rizoma> samba-common_3.0.24-2ubuntu1_sparc.deb   it's that ok?
[03:45] <tube_> I there a way to get your stereo mp3 played in amarok to use 4 speakers ?
[03:46] <rizoma> tube_: try in the option u can choose number of speakers
[03:46] <ImMortaL> so
[03:46] <ImMortaL> what r u guys saying about the new release?
[03:46] <tube_> that don't work rizoma
[03:47] <tube_> becaus a mp3 isn't surround
[03:47] <tube_> when i play a ac3 file is works great
[03:47] <rizoma> ah sure
[03:47] <rizoma> sorry
[03:47] <rizoma> :/
[03:48] <rizoma> dwidmann:  samba-common_3.0.24-2ubuntu1_sparc.deb   it's that ok?
[03:48] <The_Machine> dwidmann:  dpkg: serious warning: files list file for package `sun-java6-jre' missing, assuming package has no files currently installed.
[03:48] <The_Machine> wait
[03:48] <The_Machine> maybe it worked
[03:48] <The_Machine> heh, brb
[03:48] <The_Machine> :D
[03:48] <tube_> The machine did you try out automatix2
[03:48] <tube_> to instal java
[03:49] <dwidmann> rizoma: grab "samba"
[03:49] <dwidmann> as well as "libsmbclient" and "samba-common"
[03:49] <rizoma> mh?
[03:49] <dwidmann> oh, and install kdenetwork-filesharing  normally (ie: with apt)
[03:49] <thoreauputic> !automatix
[03:49] <ubotu> Automatix2 is a script that tries to install some software, and often fails and breaks systems. We don't provide support for it, and we strongly discourage its use. Problems caused by Automatix are often hard to track and solve, and it might sometimes be easier to !install a fresh copy of Ubuntu. See also !WorksForMe
[03:49] <rizoma> samba-common_3.0.24-2ubuntu1_sparc.deb   that its ok?
[03:49] <snowstorm> does anybody know how to use an external sd card reader? (Sandisk Extreme USB 2.0 reader), I bought it today, but have no idea how to access my pictures and videos ...
[03:49] <rizoma> ...
[03:50] <dwidmann> rizoma: like I said, grab those three or four ..... wait, you probably don't want the "sparc" deb
[03:50] <tube_> work great here
[03:50] <tube_> :P
[03:50] <dwidmann> get the one that says "386"
[03:50] <rizoma> ahhhhh ok
[03:50] <thoreauputic> !works for me | tube_
[03:50] <ubotu> tube_: Common Sense: Just because you can, does not mean you should. Think before you do. "Works for me" does not mean it is ok. The latest version of everything is not always useful if you aim for stability.
[03:50] <ndiswrapper_user> could someone help me with a ndiswrapper problem
[03:50] <rizoma> sorry my hardhead
[03:50] <ndiswrapper_user> since I have updated to feisty, my kubuntu crash, if I start the ndiswrapper
[03:51] <The_Machine> tube - i haven't tried it yet.  My last two experiences with automatix have been kind of painful..  as backwards as that sounds!
[03:51] <thoreauputic> !java
[03:51] <ubotu> To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository. Enable the backports repository on Edgy to install sun-java6-jre. Please don't use Adept to install Java if you are on Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy) or earlier.
[03:52] <rizoma> dwidmann:  i'm downloading... what 've to type to install a deb?
[03:52] <dwidmann> rizoma: you can probably do it just by right clicking on the file in konqueror and going to kubuntu package menu
[03:53] <rizoma> wow cool
[03:53] <rizoma> =)
[03:54] <rizoma> first i remove old samba
[03:55] <The_Machine> dwidmann, java appears to be working.  Not sure why it didn't work through adept add/remove, but thanks for your willingness to assist!
[03:55] <tube_> i found something for surround i wil have it a go
[03:58] <phpcode> how to start an exe file in linux? i have wine installd
[03:59] <rizoma> dwidmann:  iwowowow it workssssssssss
[03:59] <cWolfe> on the command line: wine <path to exe>
[03:59] <rizoma> dwidmann: 10kssss
[03:59] <root____> Howdy all... back to the TTY after attempting to install DRI using envy , now X is broken ...tried reconfigure xserver-xorg but the scrn doesn't come up ...any suggestions?
[04:00] <phpcode> cWolfe: thanks :-)
[04:00] <BluesKaj> Howdy all... back to the TTY after attempting to install DRI using envy , now X is broken ...tried reconfigure xserver-xorg but the scrn doesn't come up ...any suggestions?
[04:00] <cWolfe> np :)
[04:00] <snowstorm> anybody using an usb card reader? :-)
[04:01] <dwidmann> rizoma: good to hear!
[04:01] <dwidmann> that means it should work for me too :)
[04:02] <dwidmann> The_Machine: so it's working? ah, that's good then
[04:02] <BluesKaj> I guess I'm gonna reinstall EDGY..Feisty just doesn't seem to be able to run the stuff I want...a shame , but true
[04:03] <Zerak> anyone got a solution to radi456 as the post: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=431070 states?
[04:03] <dwidmann> BluesKaj: which stuff?
[04:03] <Zerak> BluesKaj, i understand you. Feisty wasnt even close to stable, at least the update function to it wasnt
[04:03] <dwidmann> (it gave me some trouble too ..... that's where forcing in old packages comes in handy)
[04:04] <dwidmann> Zerak: well, that update function was actually experimental
[04:04] <BluesKaj> DRI, (google earth) ktorrent, "X" :) spdif audio out ..
[04:04] <snowstorm>  my usb card reader is recognized by the kernel: lsusb shows "Bus 005 Device 003: ID 0781:a1a2 SanDisk Corp." But how do I get to my data?
[04:04] <Zerak> couldnt they have said that instead of giving you a feeling of comfort until all errors started showing up
[04:04] <dwidmann> hmm, didn't they? If not, shame on them
[04:05] <SlimeyPete> fresh installs ftw, tbh :)
[04:05] <Zerak> i am really bad at linux and unix and dont know where to start when it comes to modprobe and adding modules. Dont even know if i got the module
[04:05] <dwidmann> Zerak: google usually comes in handy for that
[04:06] <dwidmann> Zerak: to figure out which one you need for your hardware, that is
[04:06] <Zerak> yes but quite a step if i need to recompile the kernel to add moudle for raid456 instead of just being able to add it
[04:06] <Zerak> there isnt just one thing you need to add when compiling
[04:07] <dwidmann> Zerak: time consuming, but it shouldn't be too hard
[04:07] <rizoma> dwidmann: in windows i've to log in to access samba shared drives... where a can set that user and pass?
[04:07] <SlimeyPete> it's not even *that* time-consuming these days...
[04:07] <dwidmann> SlimeyPete: well, 10-30 minutes, somewhere in there, I haven't timed it on this machine
[04:07] <SlimeyPete> you can do it in a couple of minutes on a modern PC if all you're doing is adding a single module
[04:07] <Zerak> yes but you have to choose what modules to include
[04:08] <Zerak> that is the time consuming thing
[04:08] <zyp1> Hello. If i download a .deb and install with dpkg, would it then be updated with aptitude? Or is there a way to install with aptitude?
[04:08] <Zerak> ordering a suit takes time but even more time if you are going to make it yourself
[04:08] <SlimeyPete> mmm, true but if you google to find themodule you want, it shouldn't be too hard to track it down in the menu.
[04:08] <tube_> ciao all
[04:09] <BluesKaj> dunno what's so wonderful about an upgrade that doesn't work as well as the previous version ...on my system anyway ...this pc is only 18mos outta the store ...I know ATI sucks but it's installed in a lot of pc's and to force ppl to buy new hardware cuz the upgrades are resstricted by the hardware is a bloody shame ...anyway that's my ranr for the day.
[04:09] <dwidmann> :O about time kde finished compiling
[04:09] <Zerak> thought this would be something of intresst since i am not the only one with the problem after using update, see the post above to the forum where several people need help but none know howto
[04:11] <SlimeyPete> I've found that Feisty's hardware support is better than Edgy's, tbh
[04:11] <dwidmann> Zerak: I've an idea
[04:11] <SlimeyPete> but that's just me
[04:11] <Zerak> dwidmann: raid456 seems odd since i dont even run it raided
[04:11] <BluesKaj> lucky you SlimeyPete ...defenitely not my experience
[04:11] <dwidmann> Zerak: wait, you don't?
[04:11] <Zerak> dwidmann: if you got a solution post it there so everyone can take share of it
[04:12] <Zerak> dwidmann: no i dont have raid, only got one harddrive
[04:12] <dwidmann> the solution may still be the same, you're using feisty no?
[04:12] <Zerak> dwidmann: but on the otherhand i dont trust Kubuntu to understand that
[04:12] <Zerak> yes
[04:12] <BluesKaj> I have no access to the web , so reading the forums is out
[04:12] <dwidmann> I'll post there in  a sec then, just hold on
[04:12] <BluesKaj> err no browser that is
[04:14] <dwidmann> zerak, check the post
[04:14] <Zerak> ok, thanks
[04:14] <Zerak> *bow*
[04:15] <BluesKaj> is there a command to get X back other than dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ? cuz I'm stumped :(
[04:15] <SlimeyPete> you might need to manually check your xorg.conf
[04:15] <leo_> hi everybody! need help with a printer...
[04:15] <cplx> What's the best way to setup a webserver in kubuntu?  apt-get install apache2?
[04:16] <SlimeyPete> if it was automatically updated (e.g. by the restricted hardware manager) then you can copy the backup version over the new one
[04:16] <dwidmann> BluesKaj: erm, that's where these backup xorg.confs come in handy
[04:16] <Karti> Hi all.......
[04:16] <leo_> !usb
[04:16] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about usb - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:16] <leo_> !printer
[04:16] <ubotu> Printing in Ubuntu is done with cups. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Printers - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsPrinters - http://linuxprinting.org - Printer sharing: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkPrintingFromWindows
[04:17] <aaroncampbell> I'm on Kubuntu Feisty (7.04), and java can't seem to see my print service.  Has anyone else had this problem?  I get "No Print Service Found." when I try to print.  I tried in jedit and Zend Studio.  I also tried using Sun Java 5 from the repos, and the java that comes with Zend Studio.  Any Ideas?
[04:17] <dwidmann> BluesKaj: anyhow, what does dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg do for you
[04:17] <Karti> Just a quick one. Had a look on the internet but found no relevant info. Is there a Kubunu server edition? I would like to run Oracle Database on a Linux server and access it through Kubuntu and Windows Clients
[04:18] <BluesKaj> dwidmann: it does nothing ...black scrn
[04:18] <dwidmann> BluesKaj: eek, never saw that one before
[04:18] <leo_> help... anybody?
[04:19] <cWolfe> leo, whats wrong
[04:19] <BluesKaj> I guess /etc/X11/xorg.conf might have a backup but I doubt it
[04:19] <julien_> heh got a problem! how do i install languages on KDE?
[04:19] <leo_> cWolfe, got an usb printer
[04:19] <BluesKaj> anyway I'll check it
[04:19] <BluesKaj> bbl
[04:19] <leo_> cWolfe, but i cant make it work
[04:20] <cWolfe> uh, can you be more specific?  leo_
[04:20] <dwidmann> zerak: i'm updating that post now ..... with  updated instructions
[04:21] <pafnutiy> hi people! my nautilus dont want to show contents of LAN, it tells that "folders cant be shown". what have i to do?
[04:21] <Karti> julien_: Try System Settings > Personal > Regions and Language
[04:22] <leo_> cWolfe, i've tried to install it through System Settings > Printers
[04:22] <cWolfe> it doesnt show up?
[04:22] <julien_> i'F already tried but there's no german listed -.-
[04:22] <cWolfe> or its installed and just doesnt print?
[04:22] <leo_> cWolfe, it recognize it, but it doesnt print
[04:22] <cWolfe> try changing the driver that is used?
[04:23] <leo_> cWolfe, i've tried that
[04:23] <leo_> cWolfe, and i also download an installer from HP Site
[04:23] <Karti> julien_: Tab at the bottom > Install new Language > German
[04:23] <julien_> i'll try...
[04:23] <cWolfe> cupsd is running right?
[04:24] <cWolfe> in startmenu->system there is hplip, it works pretty well
[04:25] <leo_> cWolfe, let me try
[04:29] <dwidmann> zerak: have it working yet?
[04:30] <eidolon> hi folks - i'm having hte age-old problem that amarok is not able to play mp3 streams.  i just installed feisty fawn and kicked it over to kde with aptitude install kde-desktop.  amarok is saying 'no uitable plugin for stream'.  I installed 'gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly' - which put in things like libmad, but still no dice. what am i missing?
[04:31] <rizoma> dwidmann: in windows i've to fill a log and password can u help me to set that?
[04:31] <LjL> eidolon: you're missing libxine-extracodecs
[04:31] <eidolon> when i did aptitude install lubxine-extracodecs - i got no such package.
[04:31] <eidolon> er, libxine.
[04:32] <LjL> !info libxine-extracodecs feisty
[04:32] <ubotu> libxine-extracodecs: the xine video/media player library, transitional package. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1.1.4-2ubuntu3 (feisty), package size 38 kB, installed size 68 kB
[04:32] <LjL> you on feisty?
[04:32] <eidolon> yep.
[04:32] <LjL> then you don't have multiverse enabled, though that would strike me as weird as you could install the gstreamer ugly plugins
[04:32] <eidolon> i agree :)
[04:33] <LjL> though actually the package name has changed in feisty, and libxine-extracodecs is transitional
[04:33] <eidolon> aha.  so what's it's new name?
[04:33] <LjL> not sure, libxine-extracodecs depends on libxine1-ffmeg - which begs the question, why wouldn't it install anyway
[04:33] <LjL> !mp3
[04:33] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[04:33] <Jucato> libxine1-ffmpeg
[04:33] <Jucato> in main
[04:34] <dwidmann> rizoma: first, install kdenetwork-filesharing, then go into kcontrol -> internet -> samba
[04:34] <LjL> in main?
[04:34] <Jucato> !info libxine1-ffmpeg
[04:34] <eidolon> Jucato: that's not there either
[04:34] <eidolon> "no candidate version foundd for..."
[04:34] <ubotu> libxine1-ffmpeg: the xine video/media player library, binary files. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.1.4-2ubuntu3 (feisty), package size 1534 kB, installed size 3692 kB
[04:34] <eidolon> man my typing sucks today.
[04:34] <Jucato> hm... sorry it's in universe
[04:35] <Jucato> (weird, it was in main before feisty release...)
[04:35] <eidolon> yah,i have multiverse enabled.
[04:35] <Jucato> or was it libmad... bah nvm...
[04:35] <LjL> eidolon, you really must not have universe and/or multiverse [properly]  enabled, it's the only explanation i can think of.
[04:35] <LjL> pastebin your sources.list
[04:35] <icecruncher> question, what is the best way to copy entire web sites?
[04:35] <eidolon> sure, hang on a sec.
[04:35] <rizoma> dwidmann: i've installed filesharing i cant find that, i've system senttings sharing
[04:36] <icecruncher> httrack keeps crashing on me
[04:36] <dwidmann> rizoma: which is why I said to use kcontrol, and not systemsettings
[04:36] <Jucato> icecruncher: there's an Archive Web Page in Konqueror -> Tools menu
[04:36] <eidolon>  icecruncher: wget -R
[04:36] <icecruncher> thnks
[04:36] <Jucato> icecruncher: it saves the webpage in a .war file, which is just a gzip'ed archive containing the files
[04:37] <cplx> anyone here know any sites with tips + tricks to optimize kubuntu?
[04:37] <eidolon> LjL: http://pastebin.stonekeep.com/427
[04:37] <|ericsson|> Is there any way to log on from a windows machine to KDE with VNC or similar but without having a user logged in to KDE?
[04:37] <dac_> jisao,hello
[04:37] <dwidmann> rizoma: apart from kcontrol,  "kcmshell kcmsambaconf" also works
[04:37] <icecruncher> Jucato: doing the same as httrack?
[04:37] <eidolon> |ericsson|: you can request a remote session via XDMCP to an x-server.
[04:37] <Jucato> icecruncher: not really sure. it's a KDE/Konqueror tool
[04:37] <LjL> eidolon: you don't have multiverse, and you have -updates half enabled
[04:37] <eidolon> you have to enable xdmcp in your configuration, and have an Xserver on the windows machine.
[04:37] <LjL> !easysource > eidolon    (eidolon, see the private message from Ubotu)
[04:38] <|ericsson|> eidolon: thank's I'll take a look at that..
[04:38] <rizoma> dwidmann: ok i'm here
[04:38] <eidolon> LjL: hrrrmm.
[04:39] <dwidmann> rizoma: just change it from "user" to "share"
[04:39] <eidolon> LjL: okay, i'm going to try that.  i'll poke ya if/when i run into problems.  :)
[04:40] <cplx> anyone here know any sites with tips + tricks to optimize kubuntu?
[04:40] <rizoma> dwidmann: ok, 10kss
[04:40] <eidolon> define 'optimize' ?
[04:40] <LjL> eidolon: do a "sudo apt-get update" after modifying the list. then you can install either libxine-whatever or the whole thing that's listed on the restricted formats page
[04:40] <eidolon> yah, i know how to keep apt happy.
[04:40] <dwidmann> rizoma: that should do the trick, and yw
[04:40] <jontec> I've removed my ndiswrapper.ko file, what can I do to fix it?
[04:40] <eidolon> i'm a little worried about altering my sources after install.
[04:40] <cplx> eidolon: general performance, running aps, booting up etc..
[04:40] <eidolon> i can always nuke this machine from orbit though.  it's a new seutp.
[04:41] <cplx> eidolon: also is there any software i can use to list all the services that start on startup so I can disable/enable some
[04:41] <LjL> eidolon: are you sure? aside from not having multiverse (which is normal, it's not there by default), you have universe *but* do not have it in feisty-updates. that will make apt *VERY* unhappy as soon as updates are released which conflicts with versions of things in universe ;)
[04:41] <eidolon> hmm.  not that i know of.  kde isn't like windows :)
[04:41] <rizoma> dwidmann: but it's dangerous to use this setting?
[04:41] <eidolon> LjL: mostly i don't 100% udnerstand multiverse vs universe vs edgy-backports ...
[04:42] <eidolon> gah. i'm held up because i can't ssh into the machine.  plz std by :)
[04:42] <dwidmann> rizoma: for a home network, no, not really
[04:42] <cplx> guys what software can i use to control service that start on bootup? so i can disable/enable some?
[04:42] <rizoma> dwidmann: ok internet users may can access simply to shared folders?
[04:42] <Jucato> cplx: System Settings -> Advanced tab -> System Services ?
[04:42] <LjL> eidolon, there are the following repositories: "feisty", which is the basic one, "feisty-security", which gives you security patches, "feisty-updates", which gives you bug fixes (only to very serious bugs), and "feisty-backports", which optionally gives you new versions of packages after they're put into the development version (currently gutsy)
[04:43] <dwidmann> rizoma: No, I don't think internet users will be able to, just computers on your network
[04:43] <icecruncher> eidolon: how does the wget -R work, don't understand  lol
[04:43] <LjL> eidolon: then each repository is divided into four components: "main", containing free packages maintained by the core Ubuntu developers, "restricted", non-free by core devs, "universe", free but by the community, "multiverse", non-free by community
[04:43] <eidolon> man wget :)
[04:44] <icecruncher> I did
[04:44] <dwidmann> (well, from a security standpoint, that might not be 200% correct, but still, I doubt you have much to worry about rizoma)
[04:44] <Jucato> icecruncher: have you tried Konqueror's web page archive tool?
[04:44] <rizoma> dwidmann: thanks a lot!! :)
[04:44] <LjL> eidolon: components should always match the repositories. so if you have "multiverse" enabled in the "feisty" repository, and you have "main" enabled in "feisty-updates", you MUST also have "multiverse" enabled in "feisty-updates"
[04:44] <eidolon> okay, i regenned my sources.list - basically i want everything :)
[04:44] <icecruncher> Jucato: I want the whole server, as in all the directories. so it dont work
[04:44] <LjL> eidolon: that site will do it easily.
[04:44] <eidolon> it did indeed.
[04:45] <Jucato> oh....
[04:45] <eidolon> okay, now just aptitude (update / upgrade) to make sure i'm all synced?
[04:47] <zyp1> Is there a way to install deb-files with aptitude? it worked in 6.10, now it is not working anymore.. Aptitude install <name>.deb
[04:47] <eidolon> dpkg install foo.deb ?
[04:47] <eidolon> that's how i've always done it.
[04:48] <zyp1> dpkg cannot handle dependecies...
[04:48] <eidolon> okay, now aptitude install libxine-extracodecs is saying it'll install libxine1-ffmpeg also... yay.
[04:48] <Jucato> zyp1: sudo dpkg -i filename.deb
[04:48] <zyp1> but dpkg installed program, would that program be updated with aptitude update?
[04:49] <eidolon> yes.
[04:49] <Jucato> zyp1: or right-click on the package and select Kubuntu Package Menu -> Install Package
[04:49] <LjL> zyp1: no
[04:49] <zyp1> kubuntu package meny also do not work with dependencies..
[04:49] <LjL> zyp1, Ubuntu (GNOME) comes with "gdebi", which will install single packages *and* handle dependencies
[04:50] <LjL> not sure what's there in Kubuntu, but you could just try right clicking on a .deb file and see
[04:50] <Jucato> zyp1: yes. becuaseu kubuntu package menu uses dpkg. dpkg doesn't handle dependencies
[04:50] <Jucato> LjL: gdebi handles dependencies? that's new...
[04:50] <Jucato> for me I mean
[04:50] <LjL> Jucato, i think that was the whole point of it basically
[04:50] <zyp1> should I install gdebi in my kubuntu then? Or is that just stupid?
[04:50] <Jucato> LjL: I thought the whole point of it was a GUI dpkg front end
[04:50] <LjL> Jucato: not quite. that's almost trivial
[04:50] <Jucato> nothing more, nothing less... afaik
[04:51] <Jucato> like I said, afaik
[04:51] <LjL> Jucato: just "apt-cache show gdebi"
[04:51] <zyp1> but aptitude install worked liked a charm, but not anymore from local files..
[04:52] <LjL> zyp1, honestly i never knew that aptitude would ever work with local files..
[04:52] <LjL> that would be quite a regression - but are you really sure it used to?
[04:53] <Jucato> LjL: ah I see. I sit corrected
[04:53] <zyp1> yes, better than dpkg
[04:53] <Jucato> mhb I think is working on a KDE port of gdebi btw
[04:54] <LjL> Jucato: it shouldn't really be too hard to hack something together. call dpkg, see what it complains about, call apt to install those, repeat until done
[04:54] <zyp1> Jucato: working fine? handles dependencies?
[04:54] <Jucato> zyp1: gdebi? don't know. haven't used it
[04:54] <Jucato> LjL: not to hard for someone who knows how to code :)
[04:54] <LjL> Jucato: want to see a shell script (with kde dialogs, mind you)? there in a minute :)
[04:55] <Jucato> LjL: um.. not right now though :)
[04:55] <MohammadMnt> hi
[04:56] <MohammadMnt> I need some helps about OpenSource Business Model :)
[04:58] <abattoir> MohammadMnt: depends on what you're needs are
[04:58] <eidolon> MohammadMnt: well, that's not really kubuntu related. :)
[04:59] <abattoir> guess you could start out with http://www.pocket-lint.co.uk/news/news.phtml/7630/8654/hp-hdx-gaming-laptop-rumour.phtml
[04:59] <nirmal> hi: MohammadMnt
[04:59] <abattoir> but of course, i guess it's a bit offtopic for this channel
[04:59] <eidolon> "write something good, choose a license, publish it, get lots of links to it, make money off support and customizations."
[04:59] <eidolon> works for me :)
[04:59] <MohammadMnt> where should i ask this question ?
[04:59] <MohammadMnt> nirmal, hi
[04:59] <nirmal> would you like to have a CMS based business model
[05:00] <nirmal> content management system=CMS
[05:00] <MohammadMnt> not really
[05:00] <eidolon> well nuts.  okay, so amarok is still saying "no suitable input plugin available"
[05:00] <eidolon> when trying to play an mp3 stream
[05:01] <eidolon> LjL: any ideas?
[05:01] <MohammadMnt> I am a Windows Programmer and I want to switch to Linux
[05:01] <nirmal> ok
[05:01] <LjL> eidolon: restarted amarok after installing the xine thing?
[05:01] <eidolon> i rebooted :)
[05:01] <icecruncher> eidolon: so how can I continue mirroring the website if i interrup it. same command?
[05:02] <dfeser> hi there!
[05:02] <MohammadMnt> nobody helps me ?
[05:02] <dfeser> is there a way to install automatix without gmome?!
[05:02] <nirmal> you can choose
[05:02] <eidolon> icecruncher: i -think- ther'es something in wget that tells it not to copy new files.
[05:02] <Jucato> !automatix | dfeser
[05:02] <ubotu> dfeser: Automatix2 is a script that tries to install some software, and often fails and breaks systems. We don't provide support for it, and we strongly discourage its use. Problems caused by Automatix are often hard to track and solve, and it might sometimes be easier to !install a fresh copy of Ubuntu. See also !WorksForMe
[05:02] <eidolon> if you're mirroring a website, you should use rsync.
[05:02] <eidolon> wget just copies it down once.
[05:02] <nirmal> linux is also easy to use: MohammadMnt
[05:02] <eidolon> rsync will copy anything that's changed.
[05:03] <eidolon> MohammadMnt: you're not asking a real question.  you're asking "What do i want to do with my life?" - there's over 400 people on this channel.  specifics are important.
[05:03] <nirmal> can you come to www.lugvizag.dreamsto.com
[05:03] <nirmal> you can chat with me there
[05:04] <Jacko2007> I got a small problem, how do I uninstall avant windows manager
[05:04] <Hobbsee> Jacko2007: on what operating system?
[05:04] <Jacko2007> Kubuntu
[05:05] <Jacko2007> 2.04
[05:05] <Jacko2007> 7.04*
[05:05] <eidolon> you mean 7.04?
[05:05] <eidolon> k.
[05:05] <Jacko2007> lol
[05:06] <Jacko2007> Avant Window Manager
[05:06] <MohammadMnt> OK,I want to make money in Linux Programming, but i do not know how, because of GPL licence ! :D
[05:07] <SlimeyPete> charge for support.
[05:07] <eidolon> you don't need to GPL license anything you don't want to.
[05:07] <eidolon> linux is a platform just like anthing else.
[05:08] <Jacko2007> how do I uninstall avant or just remove it from start up?
[05:09] <MohammadMnt> what If my program would not need to be supprt ?
[05:09] <SlimeyPete> can you not do it via adept/synaptic/apt-get?
[05:09] <nirmal> MohammadMnt: you can sell CDs or LINUX
[05:09] <SlimeyPete> MohammadMnt: then release the source code but charge for the compiled binary
[05:09] <MohammadMnt> I am a programmer, not a salesperson !
[05:10] <SlimeyPete> and include stuff like a forum registration with the binary
[05:10] <icecruncher> eidolon: so where dows it store the site? having trouble locating t
[05:10] <icecruncher> *it
[05:10] <SlimeyPete> tbh, support is the main way of making money off of GPL software these days
[05:10] <nirmal> yea  i know you give away the cd for free and sell the support
[05:11] <MohammadMnt> for example, a CD/VDV burning software does not need to be support !
[05:11] <Jacko2007> I can't find it in the apt-get (because I don't know the package name) I can't find adept
[05:11] <bipolar> MohammadMnt: Programs that run on Linux do not need to use the GPL licence. If you want to write commercial, closed source software that runs on Linux you can.
[05:11] <nirmal> thats called non-free
[05:11] <MohammadMnt> I know, but I want to make money under GPL licence
[05:11] <SlimeyPete> Jacko2007: Adept should be in the menu under "System"
[05:11] <dfeser> can so tell me how to install java for firefox?
[05:12] <eidolon> MohammadMnt: why?
[05:12] <bipolar> MohammadMnt: you can sell GPL software just like any other software. You just need to provide the source if asked for it.
[05:12] <MohammadMnt> because I like GNU philosephy :D
[05:12] <nirmal> bipolar: you are right
[05:12] <Jucato> just in case it wasn't notice...
[05:12] <Jucato> noticed*
[05:12] <Jucato> !offtopic
[05:12] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[05:13] <Jacko2007> SlimeyPete: I know where adept it but the avant window manager isn't there
[05:13] <simo_> can i get help?
[05:13] <MohammadMnt> ok, but why someone gives me some money while he ro she can get software freely ?
[05:14] <bipolar> MohammadMnt: You'll need to take it to #ubuntu-offtopic and ask there, according to Jucato
[05:14] <Jucato> simo_: yes. just ask your question
[05:14] <Jucato> actually,you can just continue your conversation there
[05:14] <simo_> i cant get sound with tv time for my carte
[05:15] <SlimeyPete> Jacko2007: oh right. How did you install it?
[05:15] <MohammadMnt> ok, thx
[05:15] <Jacko2007> through Konsole but I forgot what the package was called
[05:15] <Jacko2007> hang on I will look
[05:15] <simo_> saa7138
[05:15] <simo_> philips
[05:16] <maass_> hi to all
[05:16] <SlimeyPete> Jacko2007: if you just want to remove it from the sessions menu when you start Kubuntu, then look in /usr/share/xsessions for the file which mentions it (if there is one) and delete it
[05:16] <fdoving> Jacko2007: how did you install this thing?
[05:17] <Jacko2007> I followed some tutorials on the net
[05:17] <Jacko2007> avant-window-navigator that's the package but I got it from an external svn
[05:17] <maass_> i have file it end wthe bin haw can i install in kubuntu ?
[05:18] <fdoving> Jacko2007: can you find it? it is crucial to know how this thing was installed, in order to remove it properly.
[05:18] <SlimeyPete> Jacko2007: dpkg --remove avant-window-navigator
[05:18] <SlimeyPete> sorry, "sudo dpkg --remove avant-window-manager" even
[05:19] <Jacko2007> now it's saying it isn't isntalled
[05:19] <fdoving> Jacko2007: did you follow this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=2307772 ?
[05:19] <Jacko2007> http://awn.wetpaint.com/page/UbuntuFeistyHowTo << that one
[05:20] <fdoving> Jacko2007: ok, you didn't install it as a package. you installed it with make instal, which is basically copying files all around your system.
[05:20] <Jacko2007> so how can I uninstall it?
[05:20] <fdoving> Jacko2007: do you have the  avant-window-navigator directory from which you ran the ./autogen.sh and 'make install' commands?
[05:21] <Morrissey> hi, I am trying to open a file with VLC, but when I right click a file, and open with -> VLC, it justs open vld ... it doesnt actually start playing the file ... any ideas?
[05:21] <Morrissey> A friend of mine has the same problem
[05:21] <Jacko2007> not that I know
[05:21] <Jacko2007> I can look
[05:22] <fdoving> Jacko2007: if not, you should follow the steps prior to "sudo make install" in that guide, and instead of "sudo make install" you should run "sudo make uninstall"
[05:22] <Jacko2007> yes I have found it
[05:22] <Jacko2007> found the folder
[05:22] <fdoving> Jacko2007: then try to run "sudo make uninstall" from within the folder.
[05:22] <maass_> i have file it end wthe bin haw can i install in kubuntu ?
[05:22] <The_Machine> let's say i have firefox crap out
[05:22] <fdoving> maass_: from konsole: 'chmod +x file.bin' then './file.bin'
[05:22] <sparrw> am i the only person who thinks symlinking grep to zgrep is a good idea?  i dont ever want grep to tell me "that gz file is a binary", but having to re-grep when i realize i caught gz'd logs in my filespec is annoying
[05:23] <The_Machine> but it's still running somewhere - what's the fastest way BESIDES Ksysguard to identify what the PID or process would be and kill it?
[05:23] <aro> The_Machine, open a console and type ps -A
[05:23] <aro> Look for the PID that matches the application name
[05:23] <The_Machine> sweet
[05:23] <The_Machine> that's exactly what i was looking for.
[05:23] <Jacko2007> I have ran sudo make uninstall
[05:23] <Jacko2007> now what?
[05:23] <eidolon> yay!
[05:23] <fdoving> sparrw: you don't need to symlink it, the gzip package already provides zgrep.
[05:24] <maass_> thanks
[05:24] <fdoving> sparrw: there is also bzgrep
[05:24] <fdoving> Jacko2007: so, i guess it's uninstalled then :)
[05:24] <Jacko2007> it's still running
[05:24] <sparrw> fdoving: i dont want "grep" at all.  id rather always use zgrep
[05:24] <Jacko2007> how do I stop it running
[05:25] <fdoving> sparrw: ah, then i'd suggest an alias in your .bashrc instead of a symlink.
[05:25] <sparrw> fdoving: didnt know about bzgrep, so i guess what i really want is a z/bzgrep-as-grep, but thats a bit more hard
[05:25] <dfeser> why cant i user sun-java6 with firefox?
[05:25] <Jacko2007> it's ok I think I done it
[05:26] <Jacko2007> Thank you
[05:26] <fdoving> sparrw: shouldn't be that hard, you can use 'file' to figure out what kind of file it is. then if it's gzip use zgrep, if bz2 use bzgrep, should be a simple case for a shellscript.
[05:26] <Jucato> dfeser: have you tried sun-java6-plugin?
[05:28] <dfeser> jucato thx works...
[05:29] <sparrw> fdoving: zgrep, and bzgrep now that i checked, handles non-gz files like grep already
[05:30] <fdoving> sparrw: sure, but i guess zgrep doesn't handle .bz2 files very well.. and vice versa.
[05:30] <sparrw> fdoving: aye.  annoying.
[05:30] <fdoving> sparrw: so a grep wrapper to choose the correct one would be nice.
[05:31] <fdoving> not very annoying.. just a little.
[05:31] <fdoving> can't say it has annoyed me much.
[05:32] <fdoving> improvement is of course welcome.
[05:32] <Skrot-> Hi, anyone running edgy + nxserver?
[05:36] <hsystem-x> es!
[05:36] <hsystem-x> !es
[05:36] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[05:38] <simo_> deutch
[05:38] <blekos> hi, is there a way to lock a folder or file?
[05:39] <blekos> eg. i have an oo document can i zip it with psswd or smg, and if yes what will happen if i want to unzip it in windows
[05:39] <chakie> does anyone have any ideas why my feisty is much slower than edgy at all things graphics? repaints are orders of magnitude slower now and can take up to a few seconds
[05:40] <chakie> it's so slow it's not fun to use and the system constantly has a load of 1.5+, just because i move a few windows or change virtual desktops
[05:40] <eidolon> dammit
[05:40] <eidolon> why is my screensaver not screensaving?
[05:40] <eidolon> it's blanking - it's -not- powering off the monitor.
[05:40] <eidolon> (which is good)
[05:40] <eidolon> but there's nothing displaying.
[05:40] <chakie> this is with an nvidia 6600 and edgy workedfine
[05:40] <eidolon> i haven't had KDE actually show a screensaver in like 2+ years.  it works in the 'Test' configurtion
[05:41] <tdn> How do I make themes for Kopetes chat window?
[05:41] <eidolon> is kubuntu supposed to start Xscreensaver?
[05:41] <oxydon> hey everyone
[05:41] <eidolon> or does it have it's own.
[05:41] <oxydon> i'm facing a problem here
[05:42] <oxydon> i installed the ntfs config but it doesnt want 2 work
[05:42] <oxydon> can anyone help
[05:43] <SlimeyPete> oxydon: did you install ntfs-3g as well?
[05:44] <chakie> the nvidia drivers seem to be used, but something has been configured in the direction of fubar
[05:45] <oxydon> slimeypete: yes i did
[05:46] <The_Machine> I have a gigabit NIC card in this system, but I have a feeling that kubuntu is only picking up a 10 OR 100 MB card.  What's the best way to check it out - and if it's running slow (10 or 100) to bring it up to full speed?
[05:46] <drkns> hello
[05:46] <The_Machine> :)
[05:46] <chakie> the wiki says: "As of Ubuntu 7.04 (Feisty Fawn) the recommended way to install the binary drivers is to use System -> Administration -> Restricted Devices Manager." however, i have nothing such
[05:47] <oxydon> hey can anyone help me overhere
[05:48] <drkns> i would lke to edit my etc/x11/xorg.conf file and i am in recovery mode
[05:48] <drkns> kate cannot connect to x server
[05:48] <drkns> how am i ghoing to do this?
[05:48] <oxydon> cant write on my ntfs drive
[05:48] <SlimeyPete> drkns: use nano.
[05:48] <drkns> ?
[05:48] <drkns> nano
[05:49] <drkns> can you write the whole thing please
[05:49] <SlimeyPete> drkns: it's a text-mode editor. It runs in the terminal. It's quite easy to use.
[05:49] <SlimeyPete> drkns: "sudo nano /etc/x11/xorg.conf"
[05:49] <SlimeyPete> then enter your password
[05:49] <sparrw> Ubuntu Mobile and Embedded...  someone in the marketing department finally figured out that normal people don't [positively]  associate Fooubuntu with Ubuntu.  Maybe some day someone will get their head out of their butts and rename kubuntu to Ubuntu-K[DE] 
[05:49] <SlimeyPete> et voila
[05:50] <bobstro> sparrw:  then someone will think ubuntu-X(fce) is adult-oriented.
[05:50] <drkns> i justthe file come up thanks but there seems nothing to edit its all black is that normal?
[05:50] <Jucato> !offtopic
[05:50] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[05:51] <SlimeyPete> drkns: try uppercase X11 instead of x11 (sorry - my bad)
[05:51] <oxydon> yo linux pro's need help here
[05:51] <oxydon> i cant write on my ntfs
[05:51] <sparrw> bobstro: then include the 'fce'
[05:51] <virii2dcode> hello
[05:51] <Jucato> oxydon: you really shouldn't write to your ntfs partition/drive directly
[05:51] <bobstro> oxydon:  ntfs, or ntfs-3g?
[05:51] <virii2dcode> any girls here?
[05:51] <bobstro> heh
[05:52] <sparrw> bobstro: they didnt call the new one Mubuntu, for the obvious reason, or Ubuntu-M for less obvious reasons.
[05:52] <Jucato> virii2dcode: this isn't a channel for social chitchat
[05:52] <SlimeyPete> drkns: by the way, the ^ symbol in the keys which are listed at the bottom of the nano screen means "ctrl" e.g. to save, press "ctrl-x"
[05:52] <oxydon> i installed through adept the ntfs-config and it automatically installed ntfs 3g
[05:53] <bobstro> oxydon:  is it mounted rw?
[05:53] <virii2dcode> hey jucato -go suck on a tumato
[05:53] <trix`G> ok how to I tell apt-get to use a .deb file?
[05:53] <sparrw> virii2dcode: if youre just trying to get banned, its easier in #ubuntu, all it takes is a ctcp
[05:53] <Jucato> virii2dcode: be civil or leave
[05:53] <bobstro> sometimes not even
[05:53] <jonathan__> u dont
[05:53] <oxydon> no it is mounted read
[05:54] <jonathan__> u use dpkg
[05:54] <trix`G> so sudo dpkg *.deb?
[05:54] <jonathan__> type sudo dpkg -i <pakage here>
[05:54] <sparrw> trix`G: i believe "apt-get install foo.deb" will work
[05:54] <trix`G> ahh thanks!
[05:54] <trix`G> sparrw: nope
[05:54] <sparrw> jonathan__: thats not nearly the same thing
[05:54] <jonny_> works for me :-D
[05:54] <bobstro> oxydon:  if nobody here offers more details, search through the forums. there's some decent info there. you may have issues with uid etc. too.
[05:54] <bobstro> oxydon:  what's it look like in /etc/fstab?
[05:55] <oxydon> bobstro: the thing is the program is on the system and it aint workin
[05:55] <sparrw> jonnylinuxnerd: fetches dependencies for you?
[05:55] <drkns> thank you very much i reached the file now i need to find to save it or should i just turn reboot
[05:55] <bobstro> jonnylinuxnerd:  i got yapped at for name changes too, so be advised.
[05:55] <jonnylinuxnerd> it tells u if there's problems
[05:55] <bobstro> oxydon:  you mean it's not mounting?
[05:55] <jonnylinuxnerd> that's how i usually do it
[05:55] <trix`G> dpkg doesn't resolve dependancies
[05:55] <SlimeyPete> drkns: to save it, press "ctrl-x" and then hit enter.
[05:55] <trix`G> is there another way that will satisfy deps
[05:55] <drkns> pete thank you very much you saved the day
[05:56] <SlimeyPete> drkns: you should save it before rebooting (though you don't need to reboot - just run "sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart")
[05:56] <jonnylinuxnerd> dpkg i fink tels u of the dependencies
[05:56] <jonnylinuxnerd> just copy and paste them into apt-get install
[05:56] <SlimeyPete> drkns: no problem, happy to help :)
[05:57] <radaid> hi
[05:57] <jonnylinuxnerd> hello
[05:57] <radaid> alguin de Mxico?
[05:58] <virii2dcode> hello radaid
[05:58] <radaid> hola Viri
[05:58] <radaid> como ests?
[05:58] <virii2dcode> wink-
[05:58] <Jucato> !es | radaid
[05:58] <ubotu> radaid: Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[05:58] <virii2dcode> pokito spanish..
[05:59] <radaid> okis
[05:59] <virii2dcode> Rroberto..
[05:59] <virii2dcode> asl
[05:59] <Jucato> virii2dcode: again, this is not a social channel.
[06:03] <ubuntu> Wheee :)_
[06:05] <cplx> H guys im running kubuntu.. say I want to access the current session remotely.. how can I do it easily?
[06:05] <cplx> Hi*
[06:05] <cplx> jjust like RDP/RDC with windows..
[06:05] <cplx> view console session remotely
[06:06] <jonnylinuxnerd> there is a utility already in kubuntu to do this
[06:06] <bobstro> cplx:  vnc can do most of that.
[06:06] <jonnylinuxnerd> u say u want a console or GUI?
[06:06] <cplx> jonnylinuxnerd: GUI.. exactly what i see now..
[06:06] <cplx> jonnylinuxnerd: not SSH style..
[06:06] <cplx> jonnylinuxnerd: what's the utility called, and what ports need to be forwarded?
[06:07] <virii2dcode> can some one help me find a remote back door to -site  ICANN..?
[06:07] <jonnylinuxnerd> it'ss omewhere on the menu... let me find it
[06:07] <virii2dcode> are ther any smart people like me here?
[06:07] <jonnylinuxnerd> found it! krfb and krdc
[06:07] <jonnylinuxnerd> in internet
[06:08] <virii2dcode> what did you find?
[06:08] <cplx> jonnylinuxnerd: the invitations expire.. how do i make them infinite
[06:08] <bobstro> virii2dcode:  what do you mean backdoor?
[06:08] <DaSkreech> cplx: Try krfb
[06:08] <jonnylinuxnerd> hmmm
[06:08] <aaroncampbell> virii2dcode: probably plenty that are smarter.  especially after seeing your "asl" from above :|
[06:08] <jonnylinuxnerd> don't have much experience with it
[06:08] <DaSkreech> jonnylinuxnerd: Damn you :-P
[06:09] <virii2dcode> smaller security..
[06:09] <jonnylinuxnerd> maybe u can make it last a really long time ot simeting
[06:09] <virii2dcode> dont doubt my inteligence.
[06:09] <virii2dcode> i chat little ,i slack more.
[06:09] <jonnylinuxnerd> there mite be another tool in the reposieries
[06:09] <jonnylinuxnerd> try serching for VNC in Adept
[06:09] <cplx> DaSkreech: ok i got KRFB going.. so I wont need the invitations stuff when ive enabled uninvited connections etc.etc
[06:09] <virii2dcode> what OS are you running/?
[06:10] <virii2dcode> I have VNC..
[06:10] <jonnylinuxnerd> that mite be bad for security
[06:10] <jonnylinuxnerd> if everyone can just connecy
[06:10] <virii2dcode> I know it is to trackable..
[06:10] <DaSkreech> cplx: That's the idea
[06:10] <cplx> DaSkreech: how do i accept invitations...?
[06:10] <virii2dcode> do you know ICANN
[06:10] <cplx> DaSkreech: how do i accept invitations when im not at the console?
[06:11] <jonnylinuxnerd> lol - fink they made it 2 like the windows version didn't they! :-P
[06:11] <DaSkreech> cplx: Though please only do that if you are on an internal network that drops outside requests
[06:11] <virii2dcode> yup!
[06:11] <DaSkreech> !freenx
[06:11] <ubotu> FreeNX is advanced remote desktop technology. For more information and install instructions, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeNX
[06:11] <DaSkreech> cplx: ^^^
[06:11] <virii2dcode> johhny you are pretty smart.
[06:11] <jonnylinuxnerd> me?
[06:11] <cplx> DaSkreech: I'll tell you what im trying to do.. i want to access this PC on my network from work
[06:11] <virii2dcode> yes..
[06:11] <jonnylinuxnerd> r u bein sarcastic?
[06:11] <cplx> DaSkreech: whenever, so I can use MSN etc..
[06:12] <cplx> DaSkreech: so if i use invitations they expire after an hour.. so how is that gonna work....
[06:12] <DaSkreech> cplx: Ah. I think so
[06:12] <jonnylinuxnerd> i cant tell lol
[06:12] <virii2dcode> do you know the Black Death to Nowaday networks? yersinia?
[06:12] <bobstro> cplx:  i wouldn't open it up directly to the internet in any case!
[06:12] <DaSkreech> cplx: Linux is pretty paranoid by default there is probably a setting to make that longer
[06:12] <virii2dcode> no..sarcasime.
[06:12] <virii2dcode> i have dry humor.
[06:12] <jonnylinuxnerd> kk w/e
[06:12] <morpheus_> what is the best way to cluster 2 kubuntu boxes? and is it easy or hard for a noob to configure?
[06:13] <virii2dcode> do you know ICANN?
[06:13] <DaSkreech> morpheus_: With what intent?
[06:13] <DaSkreech> ICANT
[06:13] <morpheus_> ideally am after transparent failover
[06:13] <cplx> what client do you need VNC?
[06:13] <cplx> realvnc,etc?
[06:13] <morpheus_> a master<>slave scenario would be ideal
[06:13] <virii2dcode> do you understand johhny?
[06:13] <jonnylinuxnerd> wat? i don't need VNC
[06:13] <Jucato> !offtopic | virii2dcode
[06:13] <jonnylinuxnerd> i was helping sum1 who did
[06:13] <ubotu> virii2dcode: #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[06:14] <virii2dcode> do you know ICANN<------
[06:14] <Hobbsee> !offtopic | virii2dcode
[06:14] <ubotu> virii2dcode: #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[06:14] <virii2dcode> what is the topic jucato???<------------------
[06:15] <bobstro> virii2dcode:  heh, for some reason, i was thinking you wanted help with CPAN. never mind.
[06:15] <Jucato> virii2dcode: read it.it's at the top of the window
[06:15] <virii2dcode> keep writing me in red i will take admin axcess!
[06:15] <Jucato> Hobbsee: am I being too lenient? :)
[06:15] <DaSkreech> Hobbsee: Bye
[06:15] <DaSkreech> Oh wait
[06:16] <Jucato> g'night Hobbsee! ;)
[06:16] <DaSkreech> :-)
[06:16] <Hobbsee> no, to him :P
[06:16] <Hobbsee> Jucato: *shrug*
[06:16] <Jucato> heheh
[06:16] <bobstro> *golf clap*
[06:17] <cplx> What program do u use to connect to KRFB?
[06:17] <EyeVisions> hello all
[06:17] <jonnylinuxnerd> krfc
[06:17] <jonnylinuxnerd> i mean krdc
[06:17] <jonnylinuxnerd> also installed
[06:18] <DaSkreech> Jucato: Seen New Yakuake?
[06:18] <Jucato> DaSkreech: using it :)
[06:18] <DaSkreech> You got a deb?
[06:18] <Jucato> compiled from svn
[06:18] <Jucato> but there are debs from kde-apps
[06:18] <EyeVisions> do any know how to playing stereo on surround sound setup
[06:18] <morpheus_> any suggestions on clustering/failover kubuntu for a noob?
[06:18] <cplx> IP:1?
[06:18] <cplx> or
[06:18] <cplx> what would i put
[06:19] <cplx> 192.168.xxx.xxx:1?
[06:19] <cplx> 192.168.xxx.xxx:5900 ?
[06:19] <DaSkreech> !heartbeat
[06:19] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about heartbeat - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:19] <DaSkreech> !info heartbeat
[06:19] <ubotu> heartbeat: Subsystem for High-Availability Linux. In component main, is optional. Version 1.2.5-3build1 (feisty), package size 486 kB, installed size 1608 kB
[06:19] <EyeVisions> !surround
[06:19] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about surround - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:19] <DaSkreech> morpheus_: ^^^^
[06:19] <DaSkreech> morpheus_: Oh wait above that :)
[06:19] <cplx> DaSkreech: 192.168.xxx.xxx:1 / 2 / 3
[06:19] <jonnylinuxnerd> wel is the computer ur try 2 connect 2 on the netowk or on the net?
[06:19] <morpheus_> cheers
[06:19] <cplx> DaSkreech: or use the port?
[06:20] <DaSkreech> cplx: Not sure with krfb. We use FreeNX at work
[06:20] <jonnylinuxnerd> wel is it on the net?
[06:20] <cplx> jonnylinuxnerd: at the moment, on the LAN but i want to access it over the net aswelel
[06:20] <DaSkreech> cplx: open konqueror and type man://krfb
[06:20] <jonnylinuxnerd> kk just ype in it's ip and forget about the port
[06:21] <Jucato> DaSkreech: http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php/Yakuake+for+Kubuntu+7.04+(testing)?content=57807
[06:21] <jonnylinuxnerd> i fink krdc resolves that itslef
[06:22] <cplx> DaSkreech: I mean from Windows to Kubuntu
[06:22] <cplx> jonnylinuxnerd: windows to kubuntu
[06:23] <cplx> Remote Desktop Client?
[06:23] <jonnylinuxnerd> oh err...
[06:23] <cplx> VNC?
[06:23] <jonnylinuxnerd> something more like VNC i guess
[06:23] <trix`G> ok I have a problem.  I've installed Beryl, it seems to be working (I have the cube and stuff), but for some reason none of the windows have a title bar and Emerald themes wont load or change.
[06:23] <jonnylinuxnerd> i dunno never tried VNC barley use krfb
[06:24] <jonnylinuxnerd> Trix'G: basically beryl worked
[06:24] <jonnylinuxnerd> TRix'G: but then crashed
[06:24] <jonnylinuxnerd> Trix'G: so now have no windows manager
[06:24] <DaSkreech> Far as I know FreeNX works on Windows and is interoperable with Linux
[06:25] <jonnylinuxnerd> Trix'G: to start 1 Press Crtl+Alt+F1 and logon then type kwin --display=:0 then press Crtl+Alt+F7
[06:25] <cplx> DaSkreech: so download FreeNX on Windows and use that as the client
[06:25] <cplx> ?
[06:26] <DaSkreech> cplx: That's an option
[06:26] <EyeVisions> i use VNC cplx
[06:28] <jarle_> Using latest Firefox in Feisty it has been crashing on my at random lately, a known bug?
[06:29] <bobstro> jarle_:  have you tried safe mode, disabling plugins?
[06:30] <jonnylinuxnerd> jarie_: i hafve noticed a lot of programs in feisty seem to crash randomly...
[06:30] <jonnylinuxnerd> jarie_: e.g. konqueror and ktorrent
[06:30] <EyeVisions> firefox works ok here
[06:31] <jonnylinuxnerd> EyeVisions: and ur on fesity?
[06:31] <EyeVisions> yep
[06:31] <DaSkreech> cplx: EyeVisions might be more help than I am :)
[06:32] <jonnylinuxnerd> EyeVisions: wat about other KDE apps?
[06:32] <EyeVisions> got problems beryl
[06:33] <EyeVisions> and with mine surround
[06:33] <DaSkreech> EyeVisions: Asked in #ubuntu-effects ?
[06:34] <EyeVisions> i can duplicate mine stereo to surround 4.0 but then amarok stop with error xine engine
[06:41] <jonathan__> !aptfix
[06:41] <ubotu> If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a 
[06:51] <gorara> hello, anyone know how to "alt-tab" out of open arena in ubuntu feisty ?
[06:52] <gorara> anyone know the shortcut keys?
[06:52] <pheaver> gorara: open arena?
[06:53] <gorara> quake iii clone but open source
[06:53] <pheaver> ohhh
[06:53] <gorara> i want to switch to myu desktop without closing it
[06:53] <pheaver> hmm....
[06:53] <gorara> like alt-tab in windows
[06:53] <pheaver> and none of the global shortcut keys work?  like, if you bound F-10 to minimize, for example
[06:54] <pheaver> in kde
[06:54] <gorara> aha
[06:54] <gorara> whats the default binding for kde?
[06:54] <gorara> to minimize
[06:54] <pheaver> not sure
[06:54] <pheaver> check the kontrol panel
[06:54] <Lynoure> Cannot get kpilot to work again, not even with handloaded visor module... Any ideas?
[06:54] <pheaver> or whatever it's called
[06:54] <pheaver> in the Menu -> System Settings -> Keyboard & Mouse
[06:54] <gorara> good point
[06:55] <gorara> ok done
[06:55] <pheaver> lemme know if that doesn't work, cause open arena may just block those shortcuts
[06:55] <pheaver> and take over basically
[06:55] <gorara> checkin
[06:55] <gorara> nah
[06:55] <gorara> didn't work
[06:56] <gorara> any other ideas?
[06:58] <DaSkreech> ask in #openarena ?
[06:58] <gorara> thnx
[06:58] <gorara> hmm, no one htere
[06:59] <pheaver> gorara: how much does openarena resemble the original quake iii???
[06:59] <pheaver> i've never even heard of it before :p
[06:59] <gorara> eh.. the gfx aren't as good in my opinion
[06:59] <pheaver> oh ok
[06:59] <gorara> but the gameplay is pretty much the same
[06:59] <pheaver> ah cool
[06:59] <gorara> fast too
[06:59] <soulrider__> have you tried nexuiz or warsow ?
[07:00] <gorara> what are those?
[07:00] <gorara> ah
[07:00] <gorara> is nexuiz any good?
[07:03] <DaSkreech> It's fast
[07:03] <DaSkreech> like ridiculous fast
[07:03] <DaSkreech> Ludicrous speed
[07:03] <pheaver> gorara: can you run openarena in windowed mode instead of fullscreen?
[07:03] <pheaver> some programs release mouse/keyboard control when you press Alg+G or Control+Alt or some other shortcut
[07:04] <gorara> cool, ill try nexuiz
[07:04] <gorara> how wouldi run it in windowed mode?
[07:04] <pheaver> i dunno, there should be an option in the program
[07:05] <gorara> i tried control-alt-d
[07:05] <gorara> "show desktop"
[07:05] <gorara> didn't work
[07:05] <pheaver> yeah, i think openarena is grabbing your keyboard, so no KDE shortcuts will work
[07:05] <gorara> hmm, there must be a way
[07:07] <DaSkreech> gorara: Have you checked the openarena keys?
[07:08] <DaSkreech> they might have a fullscreen toggle
[07:08] <BluesKaj> !codecs
[07:08] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[07:08] <pheaver> Alt+Enter, for example, often toggles fullscreen
[07:09] <gorara> hmm yes, alt-enter worked
[07:09] <gorara> but it doesn't let my mouse out of the window
[07:09] <gorara> can't use alt-tab threre either
[07:09] <gorara> so its just stuck in windowed mode
[07:10] <pheaver> yeah
[07:10] <gorara> no keys in openarena for windowed or full screen mode
[07:10] <pheaver> so this is openarena grabbing your keyboard
[07:10] <pheaver> try Alg+g
[07:10] <pheaver> to release the mouse/keyboard
[07:10] <gorara> nope...
[07:10] <pheaver> i think in X11 this is called DXGrab or XGrabPointer
[07:11] <pheaver> so if you google that you *might* find what you want
[07:11] <gorara> ok.. thanks for your help
[07:14] <coreymon77> what are there always awkward silences whenever i join this channel?
[07:15] <pheaver> we're avoiding you
[07:15] <pheaver> err, whoever you are
[07:15] <coreymon77> w/e
[07:15] <pheaver> :)
[07:15] <sybux_> hi all
[07:16] <pheaver> anyone use screen and konsole?
[07:16] <pheaver> i've found that, after switching from gentoo to ubuntu, konsole won't let me scroll up in my screen sessions
[07:17] <sybux_> I've got problem with my smtp since I've updated to festy. It ask me to enter password but it fails everytime
[07:17] <coreymon77> thats odd, it should
[07:17] <coreymon77> pheaver: im able to
[07:17] <pheaver> coremon77: talking to me?
[07:17] <pheaver> ah ok
[07:17] <coreymon77> yup
[07:17] <pheaver> yeah, it was working fine until recently
[07:17] <pheaver> and i haven't found any konsole setting to fix it
[07:17] <coreymon77> you sure you havent changed any setings?
[07:17] <pheaver> yeah
[07:18] <pheaver> actually, you know what, i just tried xterm, and screen won't scroll in that either
[07:18] <pheaver> so it's screen's fault i think
[07:18] <pheaver> and i KNOW i haven't changed a single screen setting in like a year
[07:18] <coreymon77> couldbe
[07:18] <llutz> pheaver: so it doesn't in yakuake :(
[07:18] <jhutchins> pheaver: Screen uses an alternative scrollbuffer.
[07:18] <jhutchins> pheaver: Uses different controls.
[07:18] <parth> how do i change boot service in kubuntu
[07:18] <gorara> shift-pageup?
[07:18] <pheaver> yeah
[07:19] <pheaver> i have issues with scrolling in ssh sessions... essentially if i move to another screen window and then back, my scrollback buffer is lost
[07:19] <pheaver> but it's always worked fine in konsole when i'm on the same computer as the screen session
[07:19] <jhutchins> gorara: That doesn't work in screen.
[07:19] <pheaver> is there a screen command to scroll up?
[07:19] <jhutchins> pheaver: man screen.  Yes.
[07:19] <pheaver> yeah i am there now
[07:25] <sophia> hi
[07:25] <sybux_> any1 know postfix and sasl authentication ? I've got some problem after upgrading to festy
[07:25] <parth> how do i stop sendmail
[07:26] <jhutchins> pheaver: termcapinfo xterm|xterms|xs|rxvt ti@:te@
[07:26] <jhutchins> in /etc/screenrc
[07:26] <fdoving> parth: sudo /etc/init.d/sendmail stop, are you sure you have sendmail?
[07:26] <jhutchins> pheaver: Will restore expected behavior.
[07:26] <parth> yes
[07:27] <pheaver> jhutchins ?
[07:27] <pheaver> where do i put that?
[07:27] <julio> coo
[07:29] <jhutchins> [12:26]  <jhutchins> in /etc/screenrc
[07:29] <jhutchins> In fact, it should be line 89, just uncomment it.
[07:29] <pheaver> oh, haha
[07:29] <pheaver> i didn't even see your "in /etc/screenrc"
[07:29] <pheaver> so i just tried to run the command in the console
[07:30] <pheaver> ah, this explains why it worked in gentoo and not ubuntu
[07:30] <pheaver>  /etc/screenrc was different in gentoo :p
[07:32] <eidolon> un. be. lievable.  i just used the KDE add printer wizard.  to add a printer i had not configured locally - the printer is on a remote Windows XP box.  an HP colorjet.
[07:32] <eidolon> and.
[07:32] <eidolon> it just plain worked.
[07:32] <eidolon> it's frippin miraculous.
[07:32] <pheaver> . . .
[07:32] <pheaver> wow
[07:32] <pheaver> kubuntu/KDE, I love it
[07:33] <pheaver> I'm a gentoo user who's been switching between ubuntu and gentoo a lot lately, and I think I'm finally sticking to kubuntu
[07:34] <maass> haw i can in as root ?
[07:35] <maass>  haw i can in as root ?
[07:35] <eidolon> set a password for it.
[07:35] <eidolon> and don't. :)
[07:35] <eidolon> you should never have to log in as root.  log in as your base user and use 'sudo
[07:36] <pheaver> maass: sudo passwd
[07:36] <pheaver> but don't do it :)
[07:36] <Skrot-> You can do "sudo su -" to log in as root without a pass
[07:36] <Skrot-> Without setting a root-password that is
[07:36] <pheaver> or sudo -s  (possible with a -H at the end)
[07:46] <Jucato_> sudo -i
[07:46] <jhutchins_lt> Which kinda defeats the whole "don't run as root" philosophy.
[07:46] <luca> by the way
[07:47] <luca> how can I access as root?
[07:47] <luca> with gui I mean, not just on the konsole :)
[07:47] <jhutchins_lt> !sudo | luca
[07:47] <ubotu> luca: sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[07:47] <DaSkreech> jhutchins_lt: Don't login as root is not quite the same as don't run as root
[07:47] <jhutchins_lt> !kdesu | luca
[07:47] <ubotu> luca: In KDE, use  kdesu  to run graphical applications with root privileges when you have to. Do *not* use  sudo <GUI application> ; you can muck up your permissions/config files. For what to use in GNOME, see !gksudo
[07:47] <DaSkreech> luca: use kdesu
[07:47] <jhutchins_lt> DaSkreech: Right, but the idea is to not run as root.
[07:48] <jhutchins_lt> That's why the account's locked.
[07:48] <luca> yeah but I NEED to run as root
[07:48] <luca> not just some applications
[07:48] <jhutchins_lt> luca: Bet you don't.
[07:48] <jhutchins_lt> You don't need to be logged in as root in linux.
[07:49] <luca> you'd lose :) I need to install some samsung drivers, and I need to be user root
[07:49] <luca> using kdesu or sudo do not function, permission denied
[07:49] <gary_> how come kde can mount audio cd's and gnome appears not to ?
[07:49] <sybux> I've got some problems with kNetworkManager. I can't connect wireless with it
[07:50] <jhutchins_lt> luca: Well, then, read the first page above.  Everything you need to know is on my IRC screen right now.
[07:50] <luca> ehm I see only kdesu and sudo instructions
[07:50] <luca> which do not function in this case :-/
[07:51] <BluesKaj> gary, ask the ppl at ubuntu :)
[07:51] <jhutchins_lt> luca: Read carefully.
[07:51] <jhutchins_lt> It's there.
[07:51] <sybux> KnetworkManager only allow me to do a manual configuration and not automatic as previously on edgy
[07:53] <luca> still not seeing it :-/ I need to begin a whole session as root, not just run an application.
[07:53] <DaSkreech> luca: open a root konsole
[07:54] <luca> it does not function.
[07:54] <luca> I have already tried it.
[07:54] <luca> the driver needs me to be in a root session, it's not my fault.
[07:54] <BluesKaj> I see the medibuntu site is extremely slow today
[07:54] <BluesKaj> repos that is
[07:58] <DaSkreech> luca: Did you try a sudo su - ?
[08:00] <luca> DaSkreech: what is it?
[08:01] <luca> does it allow for a konsole session to become as root?
[08:03] <geoff_> Hello
[08:03] <geoff_> I've got a bit of a dumb problem
[08:04] <geoff_> I tried getting the Flash player with apt-get, and it timed out, so I killed it, but now every time I try to run apt-get, it tries to download it again. How do I get it out of the queue?
[08:05] <Lam_> my kubuntu doesn't shutdown properly like 50% of the time and i heard it was related to usplash. how do i disable usplash?
[08:05] <Minataku> http://s95018220.onlinehome.us/random/wincrashes/unstab81.png << Off-topic, but I want to share this with you all :3
[08:05] <DaSkreech> luca: Yes
[08:06] <DaSkreech> aseigo: how was lunch?
[08:06] <aseigo> good, thx
[08:13] <parth> how do i permanently stop sendmail from starting
[08:14] <luca> DaSkreech: I am really puzzled at the stupidity of the driver :-/
[08:14] <luca> when I copied it to a local folder from the disk, it started without a sweat
[08:14] <DaSkreech> luca: Please write a e-mail to samsung asking them to open source the driver :)
[08:14] <DaSkreech> luca: it was on a CD ?
[08:14] <luca> yep
[08:15] <luca> only problem now is it says the cups_backend is not active
[08:15] <DaSkreech> luca: Never install drivers right off a CD
[08:15] <luca> any advice? this should be easier :)
[08:15] <luca> ehm already done I fear :$
[08:16] <DaSkreech> They normally require something to write back to the folder which is of course unwriteable
[08:16] <DaSkreech> So it will realize that you have to raise permissions and ask you to run as root
[08:17] <luca> uhm probably the error I was experiencing
[08:17] <DaSkreech> I fear though that even root yes yes I know it's true but even root cannot write back to a CD on the fly
[08:17] <luca> anyway any advice about enabling the cups_backend get printer?
[08:19] <DaSkreech> !cups
[08:19] <ubotu> Printing in Ubuntu is done with CUPS. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Printers - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsPrinters - http://linuxprinting.org - Printer sharing: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkPrintingFromWindows
[08:20] <luca> thanks :)
[08:20] <luca> ok gotta get outta here, dinner :D
[08:20] <luca> see you
[08:26] <VSpike> The edgy wiki at http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu:Edgy includes info for installing additional fonts, but the feisty version does not.  Is there a particular reason for that, or is it juts an omission?
[08:27] <VSpike> I seem to have quite limited fonts available in feisty and I'd like to install some more
[08:27] <konam_> someone here knows how to disable the http cache stuff in kopete, and the knotify?
[08:28] <VSpike> Also what's the difference between http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu:Feisty#How_to_improve_sub-pixel_font_rendering_for_Feisty and http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu:Feisty#How_to_enable_smooth_fonts
[08:32] <stivani> VSpike: The first one installs packages with experimental patches and the last one just enable autohinting I think
[08:38] <holzmodem> hi, since today my kde doesnt start automaticaly, i have to login at tty1 and execute /etc/init.d/kdm start.... where can i check what is wrong
[08:57] <DaSkreech> holzmodem_: probably ~/.xsessionerrors
[08:57] <lz1gjd> !fglrx
[08:57] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[08:59] <lz1gjd> there was some nice tutorial on installing beryl on kubuntu feisty with fglrx, but i forgot the address and can't find it now, can any1 tell me where i can find one ?
[09:07] <DaSkreech> !beryl | lz1gjd
[09:07] <ubotu> lz1gjd: Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[09:11] <mads-> Can I change screeensaver from command line?
[09:15] <jrick> is there any flashcard type program for KDE that I can use to help me memorize words?  I have been using Granule for GTK/Gnome, but I would like to have a Qt or KDE app that would be just as helpful.
[09:19] <jrick> I think I found what I wanted: kwordquiz
[09:29] <juancarlos> buenassss
[09:30] <juancarlos> hace dos dias q pertenezco a linux
[09:30] <astan> hello folks. i upgraded to feisty on my laptop, and powermanager no longer shows the frequency of my CPU cores when hovering it with the mouse.. anyone had this problem?
[09:30] <astan> (it just says 0 Mhz, instead of 2000Mhz like it did in edgy).
[09:35] <r4663r> hello
[09:36] <r4663r> anybody using ktechlab?
[09:37] <aaroncampbell> I'm on Kubuntu Feisty (7.04), and java can't seem to see my print service.  Has anyone else had this problem?  I get "No Print Service Found." when I try to print.  I tried in jedit and Zend Studio.  I also tried using Sun Java 5 from the repos, and the java that comes with Zend Studio.  Any Ideas?
[09:46] <aldin> i have kubuntu 7.04 x86_64, ho to install opera for 64bit arch?
[09:47] <jujimufu> heya everyone
[09:47] <maass_> join #ubuntu-sa/
[09:47] <jhutchins_lt> aldin: uM...
[09:47] <jujimufu> do you know any good video-capture application for kubuntu?
[09:47] <jhutchins_lt> aldin: Boot from the CD and click "install"?
[09:47] <Tm_T> jujimufu: does Kaffeine work?
[09:48] <jujimufu> yeah. Can it capture too?
[09:48] <jhutchins_lt> aldin: Oh, sorry, not reading carefully.
[09:48] <jhutchins_lt> !info opera
[09:48] <ubotu> Package opera does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[09:48] <aldin> jhutchins_lt: ok
[09:48] <frojnd> hello
[09:48] <jhutchins_lt> !find opera
[09:48] <jujimufu> Tm_T: can I capture with kaffeine?
[09:48] <jujimufu> !opera
[09:48] <Tm_T> jujimufu: I assume so
[09:48] <ubotu> File opera found in apparmor-profiles, crossfire-maps, crossfire-maps-small, debian-edu-config, localization-config
[09:48] <ubotu> opera is an advanced and free (only as in price) web browser.  Install it via Applications->Add/Remove..., making sure that "Show commercial applications" (dapper only) is checked. For more info on opera please see: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OperaBrowser
[09:48] <aldin> jhutchins_lt: btw how to run flash_player under amd64
[09:49] <Tm_T> jujimufu: but don't know really
[09:49] <frojnd> How can I change resolution to 1240*1024 since there is no such option under Monito & display? only in xorg...
[09:49] <jhutchins_lt> aldin: I don't even know if flash is available for 64.  I believe some people have it working, but I'm not sure how.
[09:49] <jujimufu> Tm_T: no it doesn't.
[09:49] <jhutchins_lt> aldin: I know multimedia is one of the main reasons people run 32b on 64.
[09:50] <cox377> FOR SOME reason, when i go to log in ubuntu just hangs, it's the new 704 version, it doesnt crash just doesnt load
[09:50] <jhutchins_lt> aldin: Google and the ubuntu wiki's will be your best bet for this.
[09:51] <jhutchins_lt> frojnd: You will have to determine if the driver for your card supports that resolution, and correctly configure a modeline that your card and monitor can use.
[09:51] <mcoetzee> Howzit guys, wondering if somebody can help me with kubuntu 7.04
[09:52] <aldin> jhutchins_lt: i am very experience i386 user, but just wanna try 64bit so i though u knew some workarround to use lib32 under amd64, ok i will investigaet bit... btw this is error http://pastebin.ubuntu-nl.org/19841/
[09:52] <mcoetzee> I've got an IBM thinkpad T43P, and I've just installed kubuntu, my resolution is running 1600x1200, but everything on the screen looks quite big
[09:52] <Heavy_> Is there some trick to getting Kubuntu (kubuntu-7.04-desktop-i386) cd to load at all? I have a P4 whit HT and a nvidia6800 gfx card? i get to se the logo and the blue bara slides back and forth then when it starts to load it reboots my comp.
[09:53] <mcoetzee> I've hunt around the net, and saw that you should change the DisplaySize in the xorg.conf file, but It has no effect
[09:53] <frojnd> jhutchins_lt: Yes card support it (1240*1024) I have those settings under XP also I have supported drivers for my fx 5500 (nvidia-xgl-new)
[09:53] <aldin> mcoetzee: go to kontrol center ant set "force 96dpi" for fonts, it works for me, let me guess u have ati card as I?
[09:53] <mcoetzee> aldin: Yup, ATI firegl card
[09:54] <aldin> mcoetzee: an offcourse logout/login to take effect
[09:54] <mcoetzee> aldin: The font's is only part of the problem, the rest of the screen, how can I say this, looks big...I'm used to gnome
[09:54] <mcoetzee> I did restart the X server
[09:55] <Pr301> hi all.. I need help on installing linux to a macbook pro..
[09:55] <Inter-> Hi there. Just wondering, does anyone know how to make a KDE window hide the frame menubar permanently - Or how to save those settings for that program/window?
[09:56] <jhutchins_lt> frojnd: Not only does the card need to support it, but so does the driver.  You need to find out what driver it uses, and see what special things that driver needs.  You also need to figure out a modeline that will work with your monitor's sync rates and your video ram.
[09:56] <slougi> Inter-: do you mean the window decoration?
[09:56] <Inter-> yes.
[09:56] <Pr301> anyone can help plx...?
[09:56] <Inter-> It's the Right Click -> Advanced -> No Border option I'm wondering about.
[09:56] <Tm_T> !mac
[09:56] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mac - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:56] <Tm_T> hmm
[09:56] <slougi> Inter-: right click on the decoration -> configure window behaviour -> window specific settings
[09:56] <slougi> Inter-: that way you can save settings
[09:57] <jhutchins_lt> Heavy_: Try adding the commands noapic or noapci at boot.
[09:57] <frojnd> jhutchins_lt: I have no idea how I am gonna do this..
[09:57] <aldin> mcoetzee: can we have a screenshot please, and btw do u use fglrx or ati driver?
[09:57] <mcoetzee> aldin: ati driver
[09:57] <Tm_T> Pr301: ppc?
[09:57] <aldin> mcoetzee: did u try installing fglrx (xorg-driver-fglrx)
[09:58] <jhutchins_lt> frojnd: Determine card type and model.  Find out what driver it's loading via reading the xorg.conf file.  Go to the xorg web site.
[09:58] <michael> in feisty my sound has stopped working, tried instructions from several sources but I can't fix it.
[09:58] <jhutchins_lt> :v kernel
[09:58] <jhutchins_lt> !v kernel
[09:58] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about v kernel - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:58] <jhutchins_lt> !version kernel
[09:58] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about version kernel - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:58] <mcoetzee> aldin: I tried to install the fglrx driver, but X did not like the xorg.conf file...I must also add, that I upgraded from 6.06 to 7.0.4 - I had fglrx driver loaded before upgrading
[09:58] <jhutchins_lt> Sorry.
[09:59] <jhutchins_lt> michael: You will probably need to change to a different kernel, possibly an earlier one.
[09:59] <Pr301> Tm_T: no, intel..
[10:00] <Tm_T> and problem is?
[10:00] <Inter-> slougi: ah sweet. thanks.
[10:00] <mcoetzee> aldin: Should I try to get the fglrx driver working, do you think this would solve my problem?
[10:00] <Pr301> I downloaded the 64bit cd but I can't boot...
[10:00] <Tm_T> interesting
[10:01] <aldin> mcoetzee: was it ever ok on ubuntus? did u try other distros, did u follow right ati proprietary howto?
[10:01] <hitmanWilly> the 64 bit cd's set up for AMD iirc
[10:01] <Tm_T> yup
[10:01] <Pr301> it says fot intel too...
[10:02] <mcoetzee> aldin: Yup, I switched to ubuntu (dapper drake) and I've upgraded ever since. This is the first time X complains about the fglrx driver, but I must say, I havent spent to much time trying to get it to work
[10:02] <Pr301> "64bit AMD and Intel computers"
[10:02] <aldin> mcoetzee: when u type fglrxinfo in konsole does it shows mesa3d or ATI3D, btw did u put Composite "Disable" in xorg.conf?
[10:03] <mcoetzee> aldn: Mesa
[10:03] <mcoetzee> Aldin: Yes, I added the disable composite property
[10:04] <mcoetzee> aldin: Maybe I should do a fresh installation of 7.04. Maybe I have some legacy scripts catching-up with me...The thing is, If I need todo a re-install, it's gonna take me a whole day to get websphere installed with all it's gazzilion patches ;)
[10:04] <mcoetzee> I don't feel like doing this now..or even soon ;)
[10:06] <majnoon> anyone else having problems burning cdroms after feisty upgrade ??
[10:06] <Inter-> slougi: there we go =) Eterm'alike Konsole.. Now I'm happy :)
[10:09] <aldin> mcoetzee: why dont u try live cd if it looks ok then install it (btw on my ati card i just put force 96dpi and font are ok - btw2 on GNOME/ubuntu it is bydefault 96dpi)
[10:09] <aldin> mcoetzee: i am on kubuntu70.4
[10:09] <Pr301> another question.. can I install ubuntu on an external hd?
[10:11] <genii> OK, when you make changes via System Settings..Login Manager (Admin mode) where does this get saved?
[10:11] <aldin> is there symbol for copyleft like this -> but different?
[10:11] <mcoetzee> adlin: Cool, it's just, I can get the fonts, etc, smaller but it's the space window frames, etc takes up. It's quite huge, and I'm using Eclipse IDE as my development tool, and everything just looks so huge. anywyas, I'll spend some time to get the correct driver loaded, then I'll try the dpi again. Thanks for all the help
[10:12] <raylu> Pr301, yes, but its not too easy
[10:12] <aldin> mcoetzee: ur welcome, btw first be sure u have fglrxinfo -> OK, then u have ur maximum possible monitor resolution
[10:12] <raylu> aldin, not in most charsets, no
[10:12] <raylu> actually, not in any charset that i know of
[10:12] <aldin> raylu: how could i put it on my site besides png or jpg logo?
[10:13] <genii> Somewhere in /usr/share/apps/kdm  or so?
[10:13] <Pr301> :S ok, I'll give it a try sometime.. ;)
[10:13] <mcoetzee> adlin: thanks...If I get it sorted out tonight, wich I doubt, I'll let you know...
[10:13] <Pr301> thnx guys.. c ya all.. ;)
[10:13] <raylu> aldin, no other way that i know of; it'd have to be an image
[10:14] <majnoon> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/19845/
[10:16] <sean_> when I make amistake in the terminal it makes anoise like a depth charge which my wife can't stand, how can I change it
[10:17] <raylu> sean_, turn the bell off. i assume you mean konsole?
[10:19] <genii> OK, when you make changes via System Settings..Login Manager (Admin mode) where does this get saved? Somewhere in the local user's home dir or in some conf file for kdm or kde etc etc?
[10:20] <OutoLumo> genii, userwide settings go under /home/user/.kde ...
[10:20] <genii> OutoLumo OK thx I'll look there.
[10:21] <OutoLumo> genii, For systemwide there is corresponding somewhere under the /usr
[10:22] <frojnd> !reconfigure
[10:22] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about reconfigure - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:22] <frojnd> !reconfigure xorg
[10:22] <frojnd> what's the command to reconfigure xorg.conf?
[10:22] <raylu> login manager would be systemwide
[10:23] <raylu> dpkg-reconfigure
[10:23] <genii> OutoLumo Since it needs su/sudo privelege I suspect it's in some global setting someplace other then home dir hier
[10:23] <raylu> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, i think
[10:23] <raylu> the login manager is before you login anyway...
[10:24] <OutoLumo> genii, spcificallu which?
[10:24] <genii> raylu Yes, thats what I'm thinking. But I can't seem to find some kdm config file with login prefs someplace inside
[10:25] <OutoLumo> genii, /usr/share/apps/kdm ?
[10:26] <genii> OutoLumo Well, I'm trying to replicate a login preferences across many boxes by finding this file then just copying/chown it etc as neccesary. The boxes all have incremental usernames so it would be easier this way than manually etc each time. It's for users allowed to login w/out passwd etc etc
[10:26] <genii> OutoLumo Yes I looked there but mostly there appears to be theme settings, user pic etc
[10:27] <OutoLumo> genii, have you checked man kdm?
[10:27] <genii> OutoLumo Darn I was hoping not to LOL
[10:27] <genii> Hangon I'll see if it's enlightening
[10:27] <OutoLumo> genii, it gives location: /etc/kde3/kdm/
[10:28] <genii> OutoLumo OK, I'll take a look... thx
[10:28] <user_> i've got the new ubuntu installed on a 600mhz p3, is there anyway to strip ubuntu back a bit whilst keeping it's good looks
[10:28] <OutoLumo> genii, it seems there's about two tons of options there so you might find it a good idea to study the manpage as well..
[10:29] <raylu> user_, this is the kubuntu channel :P
[10:29] <user_> raylu: lol good point
[10:29] <sean_> i'VE INSTALLED ALL THE BERYL STUFF BUT i DON'T THINK IT'S WORKING
[10:29] <raylu> xubuntu, but you said something about good looks...which I don't understand
[10:29] <OutoLumo> user_, probably, but I think you should ask that on #ubuntu...
[10:29] <raylu> sean_, ctrl+alt+right?
[10:30] <OutoLumo> sean_, what's your grapics card?
[10:30] <sean_> my desktop doesn't look or act any diffrent
[10:30] <raylu> is beryl-manager, the red thing, running?
[10:30] <sean_> is that red diamond in the system tray?
[10:30] <sean_> no
[10:30] <raylu> then run it :P
[10:30] <sean_> card is ati radeon 9600
[10:31] <sean_> how do i start it, there's nothing in the menus
[10:31] <OutoLumo> sean_, that should be supported, IIRC. Mine isn't :-(
[10:31] <genii> OutoLumo OK, got the file. It's the kdmrc inside the /etc/kde3/kdm dir
[10:31] <raylu> alt+f2, beryl-manager
[10:31] <raylu> and there should be something in the menus
[10:32] <OutoLumo> genii, heck :-) sounds kinda intuitive, I should have known in the first place.
[10:32] <genii> OutoLumo Heh :)
[10:33] <genii> OutoLumo At least now I can just do some script to keep incrementing usernames and copying the file
[10:33] <OutoLumo> genii, that's what you wanted :-) I'm just ashamed...
[10:34] <OutoLumo> The global configs are _always_ in /etc... and named rc...
[10:34] <sean_> crash handler is running
[10:34] <genii> OutoLumo Ah, OK, like *bsd /usr/local/etc/rc.conf then
[10:35] <OutoLumo> genii, yes, a bit. It's a linux standard to have global configs under /etc... Also in many unices.
[10:36] <raylu> unices, eh?
[10:37] <raylu> Several plural forms of Unix are used to refer to multiple brands of Unix and Unix-like systems. Most common is the conventional "Unixes", but the hacker culture which created Unix has a penchant for playful use of language, and "Unices" (treating Unix as Latin noun of the third declension) is also popular. The Anglo-Saxon plural form "Unixen" is not common, although occasionally seen.
[10:38] <raylu> unixen..........................................wtf?
[10:38] <banjooie> Okay, so, I am attempting to get with the times, and install pidgin, because it is what the cool people do. However, it is complaining that I need some crazy GTK 2.0 development thing. This does not appear to be in my package repository, and I've pretty much set up the whole nineyards with that sucker.
[10:38] <banjooie> Therefore: Can someone either give me the name of the thing I'm looking for, or give me a repository which will have it.
[10:38] <genii> I prefer boxen for many boxes but not "unixen" LOL
[10:39] <raylu> it would be libgtk2-dev, im guessing
[10:39] <banjooie> Excellent, thank you.
[10:39] <OutoLumo> raylu, ox, oxen, unix, unixen...
[10:39] <banjooie> I was..for some bizarre reason, looking for something starting with gtk
[10:39] <raylu> gah, where is that package search
[10:40] <raylu> yes, i know, but it just sounds really strange
[10:40] <frojnd> does anyone know how to manually set frequency in xorg.conf ??
[10:41] <frojnd> frrequency of refreshing for certain resolution??
[10:41] <raylu> supported frequencies should be in your gui system settings thing
[10:41] <banjooie> I dunno. What's the frequency, Kenneth?
[10:42] <amnesiac_> hi dude frojnd.. I prefere sudo dpkg-reconfigure --phigh xserver-xorg
[10:42] <raylu> modelines should also have HORZxVERT@FREQ, though the frequency is optional
[10:42] <raylu> (i think)
[10:42] <OutoLumo> Any ideas how to test microphone?
[10:42] <amnesiac_> it does the thing by default when your in trouble
[10:43] <genii> frojnd I'm pretty sure you can do like: "1024 x 768 @ 85"  or somesuch
[10:43] <frojnd> hi dude amnesiac_ I can't set it there couse there is somekind of error...
[10:43] <frojnd> genii: ok I'll give it a try
[10:43] <amnesiac_> i think at 60 hz dude
[10:43] <genii> frojnd You may want to google some xorg.conf samples
[10:44] <amnesiac_> oh sorry now i get your trouble
[10:44] <frojnd> genii: ok
[10:44] <amnesiac_> you got an ati card ??
[10:44] <Skuller> is it safer to write to ntfs usin kubun (ntfs-3g/fuse) or safer to write to ext3 usin vista (Ext2IFS)?
[10:44] <banjooie> Also, stupid newbie question time: ...Do I need a virus scanner? No, seriously, do I really need a virus scanner on this linux box?
[10:44] <banjooie> On a windows box it's just a given, offhand.
[10:45] <genii> Skuller My vote is to write to ext3 from windoze since it is an open file system and does not need to be reverse engineered
[10:45] <amnesiac_> try clamav virus scanner and something for rootkits banjooie
[10:45] <ardchoille> banjooie: Please read this regarding Linux viruses: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2003/10/06/linux_vs_windows_viruses/
[10:45] <Skuller> genii: ok, thanks
[10:45] <ardchoille> banjooie: But, I do recommend installing and running rkhunter and chkrootkit.
[10:45] <Skrot-> banjooie: No, you don't need a virus scanner. Most virus scanners in linux are used for servers scanning mails for virus.
[10:46] <banjooie> Okay, cool, I'll do that.
[10:46] <genii> banjooie If you really want one, clamav is pretty good. The kde frontend is klamav
[10:46] <trollo> brauche hilfe Kubuntu 7.04 und nvidia treiber
[10:46] <OutoLumo> Skuller, how about writing in the (ancient) VFAT?
[10:46] <Black_Cat> btw speaking of plural: "virii", not "viruses" :)
[10:47] <banjooie> ...yeah. Bloody 7.04. I need to get that working, too. Actually, first I need to find out if it screws ATI cards, because /everything/ seems to.
[10:47] <genii> Skuller If you transfer files bigger than 4Gb you want to forget about using vfat for shared partition. Otherwise it's not a bad idea
[10:48] <cpk1> its safer to use ext I am pretty sure
[10:49] <genii> cpk1 I absolutely agree
[10:49] <cpk1> granted I havent heard any about any data loss with ntfs-3g but it can still happen
[10:49] <cpk1> if you use ext you just wont have a journal when you write from windows
[10:51] <genii> cpk1 Mainly it seems to have issues with localisation in the filesystem when mounting if not utf8 or something like a standard iso or codepage
[10:51] <genii> (ntfs-3g)
[10:51] <cpk1> also I have noticed that the windows ext driver can have problems with file names sometimes
[10:51] <chx> is it possible to set per torrent limits in ktorrent?
[10:52] <genii> cpk1 The one I normally use from fs-driver.org seems to work well. No filename issues that I've noticed anyhow
[10:53] <trollo> kann mir jemand in Deutsch helfen ???
[10:53] <Black_Cat> !de
[10:53] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[10:53] <genii> !de | trollo
[10:53] <ubotu> trollo: please see above
[10:53] <trollo> ok thx
[10:53] <Filthpig> just a quick Q: Is it possible to resize an already formatted ntfs partition so it's possible to create an ext3 partition?
[10:54] <genii> I've heard gpatred can do it but I've never tried it myself
[10:54] <genii> gparted/gatred  < sp
[10:54] <cpk1> or qtparted I suppose
[10:54] <Skuller> genii: OutoLumo: yes i think i'll skip the Vfat since i deal with quite a few .iso's>4gb
[10:55] <genii> Skuller :)
[10:56] <Skuller> infact i was planning to triple boot :- xp, vista & feisty
[10:56] <OutoLumo> Skuller, in that case :-)
[10:56] <genii> Damn. Am ssh'd into a cli box using ircii out and some keystrokes get lost
[10:58] <amnesiac_> hi black cats !!!
[11:00] <amnesiac_> i am not registred black-cat `i am just hacking true the night ...;-] 
[11:03] <Daisuke_Ido> is there a reason behind your inexplicable rambling?
[11:04] <tonky> can someone advise the file manager with ftp support like FAR? i'm new to Kubuntu, and drag-n-frop for ftp doesen't suit me
[11:06] <genii> bleh grumblefarb
[11:07] <Skuller> whats 'bleh'?
[11:13] <delphine111> hi all
[11:13] <delphine111> how about vnc session with blank screen? kde not appear
[11:14] <aaroncampbell> How do you install fonts?
[11:14] <delphine111> i have configured to start them in vncserver session, but i get only blank screen "pre-load"
[11:14] <samir85> Hey guys. I've backuped my whole data on an external hd. Unfortunately if I plugin my usb hd in kubuntu, kubuntu doesn't detect the partition on it. If I look at my usb hd drive via qtparted, the partition has status "hidden". How can I change that ?
[11:15] <_Shade_> hi there
[11:15] <_Shade_> how can i create an iso file from a local directory?
[11:17] <sybux> hi
[11:18] <sybux> I've got a little problem with Kaffeine. I can't read DVD under festy. It's a fresh install
[11:20] <ardchoille> !dvd
[11:20] <ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[11:20] <ardchoille> sybux: ^^
[11:21] <sybux> ty
[11:21] <ardchoille> You're welcome :)
[11:22] <kai> doesn any one have any experiance with gnomad2?
[11:23] <sybux> ardchoille: it's for edgy not festy :(
[11:26] <luca> hi everyone
[11:26] <luca> can someone help me with a samsung printer?
[11:27] <ardchoille> sybux: Here's what I did: sudo apt-get install libdvdread3 && sudo sh /usr/share/doc/libdvdread3/install-css.sh
[11:28] <ardchoille> That installed libdvdcss2 which is what you need to view the dvd movies protected with CSS
[11:28] <samir85> Hey guys. I've backuped my whole data on an external hd. Unfortunately if I plugin my usb hd in kubuntu, kubuntu doesn't detect the partition on it. If I look at my usb hd drive via qtparted, the partition has status "hidden". How can I change that ?
[11:28] <samir85> please help me. its very urgent because all my data is on this drive !
[11:28] <ardchoille> I've been doing it that way since Dapper
[11:28] <acatalan> help needed: my Fiesty installer stopped at 99% after mythtv install had problems. Right now it says its on "Fetching and installing the upgrades" and has been ther a few hours.  What do I do to safely upgrade?
[11:31] <paolo> do you know any svg viewer?
[11:33] <OutoLumo> konqueror can't handle svg?
[11:33] <cntb> and what is svg ?
[11:33] <OutoLumo> cntb, SVG = Scalable Vector Graphics -format
[11:37] <cntb> OutoLumo, what svg link of interest ?
[11:40] <luca> hi everyone
[11:40] <ardchoille> hi
[11:41] <luca> someone does know how to install successfully a samsung printer?
[11:42] <luca> I have installed the driver, but now I cannot print, even if kcontrol added the printer regularly
[11:47] <cWolfe> gayyy
[11:49] <larry> The documentation directs me to the system/administration menu to manage video drivers for nvidia.  I cant find this menu.  Help.
[11:58] <OutoLumo> larry, it's in ubuntu?
[11:59] <larry> Hi, It's kubuntu and I really need to change drivers.
[11:59] <Hobbsee> cWolfe: ?
[11:59] <cWolfe> hi
[12:00] <cWolfe> uh
[12:00] <cWolfe> i dunno how that gayyy got there, i apologize
[12:02] <crazy_penguin> Good night all!
[12:03] <kingcobra> can somebody tell me what can be used in kde to mount filesystems manually
[12:04] <cWolfe> kingcobra  use konsole
[12:04] <kingcobra> cWolfe, is there a gui method
[12:05] <cWolfe> no
[12:05] <cWolfe> hal does it behind your back
[12:05] <kingcobra> is there nothing in kde similar to gnome partition editor
[12:12] <TheDebugger> qtparted?
[12:13] <martalli> !qtparted
[12:13] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about qtparted - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:14] <superkirbyartist> I need an open source Java Runtime Environment for Firefox.