[05:34] <troy_s> nothlit: ping
[08:01] <troy_s> nothlit: LOL.  9 people.  How fucking sad.
[08:31] <nothlit> troy_s: thats two more than responders on the mailing list at least
[08:47] <zie> hello zie here, i want to remake Ubuntu With a more pro look, and rename it Probuntu
[08:47] <zie> more such as a mac, and focuses on Graphic designs, video editing, artwork and more
[08:48] <zie> im a graphic artist starting this project
[08:48] <zie> if your interested let me know
[08:48] <zie> where creating the designs first
[08:52] <nothlit> ehh
[08:52] <nothlit> !ubuntustudio | zie
[08:52] <ubotu> zie: ubuntustudio is a site is for the musician who wishes to use Ubuntu as their Digital Audio Workstation, at  http://www.ubuntustudio.com. Or visit  #ubuntu-studio
[08:52] <nothlit> bah, that factoid is incorrect
[08:52] <zie> no see this is not a music setup
[08:53] <zie> it will funtion and basiclly be a mac
[08:53] <zie> this can run with ubuntu
[08:53] <nothlit> anyways--theres already a profession artist's ubuntu derivative with video/art/music
[08:53] <nothlit> professional*
[08:53] <zie> hmm ok
[08:54] <zie> me and my crew have allready looked into it. What does Probuntu Will be an Upgrade from That. It will feature  Video/Art/Music but with a new design for Ubuntu, plus this format of Probuntu can run on the Ubuntu desktop
[08:55] <zie> so easy, that you can drag icons over to Probuntu. And images to ubuntu and edit them.
[08:56] <Madpilot> Probuntu? The Ubuntu project is getting stricter about *buntu naming, you know...
[08:56] <zie> yes thats a problem
[08:56] <zie> we have other names, but none of them relate to the Buntu>
[08:57] <zie> We have Prototype , Witch we where going to name it
[08:57] <zie> Ubuntu Prodotype
[08:57] <zie> Or. We where going to name it. Linux PRO
[08:57] <Madpilot> why don't you just join the Ubuntu Studio group? sounds like you're doing much the same thing - should be a good fit
[08:58] <zie> whats the Studio Group?
[08:58] <zie> is it on LAunchPad.com
[08:58] <Madpilot> not sure - see the URLs nothlit posted
[08:59] <zie> k
[09:02] <zie> im currentlly working for Ubuntu Art, is Studio Group just a diffrent group?
[09:02] <zie> there actually just fixing bugs at the moment
[09:03] <Madpilot> Ubuntu Studio is an independant project, not directly connected to the main Ubuntu groups
[09:06] <nothlit> _MMA_ and joejaxx are ustudio leads
[09:06] <nothlit> you should talk to them
[09:07] <nothlit> zie: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/openweekfeisty/studio
[09:10] <zie> ok
[10:29] <lapo> hi
[10:30] <nysosym> hi lapo :)
[10:30] <lapo> ciao nysosym
[10:30] <nysosym> ciao lapo
[11:19] <zie> CAN SOMEONE IN HERE TELL ME HOW TO CREATE MY OWN ROOM
[11:19] <nothlit> /j #chan
[11:20] <nothlit> !caps
[11:20] <ubotu> PLEASE DON'T SHOUT! We can read lowercase too.
[11:20] <zie> i didnt know it was on caps im sorry
[11:20] <zie> now does this room always exist
[11:20] <nothlit> no
[11:21] <nothlit> you register it in chanserv
[11:21] <zie> i create it everytime i get on xchat
[11:21] <zie> how do i register it
[11:22] <nothlit> /quote ChanServ help
[04:47] <troy_s> lord
[04:49] <troy_s> nothlit: Ping
[05:12] <troy_s> nothlit ping me when you get a chance... we should probably start hammering out some base.
[05:13] <nothlit> troy_s: http://people.fluxbuntu.org/~nothlit/communitytheme/gutsy/literature/collaborationprogress.txt just a few quick items
[05:14] <troy_s> Very simple good work nothlit
[05:15] <troy_s> If you can manage to get a bit more input, we can build outwards from that.
[05:15] <troy_s> I'll pull up some palettes --
[05:15] <troy_s> do you have a preference for a hue / saturation level?
[05:16] <nothlit> I think the way I've associated progress there implies saturation
[05:16] <nothlit> Hue? I envision warm colours--but I have a huge bias and I haven't thought out the particulars yet
[05:18] <troy_s> nothlit: WHen you say harmonizing colours -- theoretically if you use a palette they are all harmonized... do you mean more analagous?
[05:18] <troy_s> (as complimentary is very harmonious, but possibly not in the sense you mean)
[05:19] <troy_s> so ideas?
[05:20] <troy_s> or perhaps you think a more 'smattering' of palettes is worth looking at.
[05:21] <nothlit> I mean colors that aren't complements, but in pairs that 'sing'
[05:22] <troy_s> yes -- so more analagous?
[05:23] <troy_s> analogous rather.
[05:23] <troy_s> grr spellunk
[05:23] <troy_s> can you spin the wheel and find a hue or two that is relative to what you are thinking?  from there i can pull out several sets based off of it from refs etc.
[05:33] <freakboysystem> hello
[05:37] <freakboysystem> i am not new to ubuntu but really want to help make Ubuntu the OS choice for computers, by doing this i want to help put my drawing art skills to use and make Ubuntu with an inspiring user interface
[05:43] <troy_s> freakboysystem: We want you
[05:43] <troy_s> freakboysystem: Ubuntu's team might not, but we do.
[05:52] <freakboysystem> yes hello sorry i went down stairs
[05:52] <freakboysystem> thankyou
[05:57] <troy_s> freakboysystem: Do you have a portfolio or samples online?
[06:16] <freakboysystem> no sorry
[06:16] <freakboysystem> i can get a blog and put some samples on
[06:21] <nothlit> troy_s: https://people.fluxbuntu.org/~nothlit/communitytheme/gutsy/colours/progress+collaboration.png --do you get where i'm going?
[06:24] <freakboysystem> yes!
[06:25] <freakboysystem> I want to focus on icon and background design
[06:30] <nothlit> troy_s: those are a bit bold and drift a little too much toward the yellows--but i think you can see what i mean
[06:37] <troy_s> nothlit: Sorry... i was working on something
[06:37] <troy_s> ok i was tremming
[06:37] <troy_s> lol
[06:37] <troy_s> freakboysystem: Put some stuffs up
[06:37] <troy_s> nothlit: looking now
[06:38] <troy_s> nothlit: Ok... I'll see what carbaga or someone has for a decent palette base
[06:38] <troy_s> what one do you prefer if i can only say, get one redish one yellowish or whatever
[06:38] <troy_s> can you give me a priority sequence?
[06:40] <nothlit> I'd want a red, and a maroon of some sort--then orange,yellow,pale/yellow greens
[06:40] <nothlit> you could throw a subtle magenta in if you want
[06:40] <troy_s> nothlit: Hrm... I be this might be likely... hold on.
[06:41] <troy_s> nothlit: Perhaps for that sort of purpose, deriving exactly ONE palette from
[06:41] <troy_s> a sunset image might meet the needs
[09:43] <freakboysystem> hello
[10:02] <freakboysystem> any1 there
[10:06] <troy_s> freakboysystem: Hello
[10:06] <troy_s> freakboysystem: What do you require?
[10:07] <freakboysystem> nothing i was wondering if ubuntu has any free pdf magazines stupid thing to ask but , yeh?
[10:08] <troy_s> freakboysystem: I think the marketing team did some strange thing up like htat.
[10:08] <troy_s> freakboysystem: Also, if you need to speak to someone, preface your comment with their name (type the first letter or two and hit tab)
[10:08] <troy_s> freakboysystem: it will ping them on their system and let them know that you have a question.
[10:09] <freakboysystem> troy_s: ok thankyou, im bored i think i might design one!
[10:09] <darkmatter> troy_s is correct, the marketing team is *VERY* strange
[10:09] <darkmatter> :D
[10:09] <freakboysystem> lol
[10:10] <troy_s> darkmatter: We are no better unfortunately.
[10:10] <darkmatter> lol
[10:10] <troy_s> darkmatter: Although methinks they could do better with a few MBAs on their team.
[10:10] <troy_s> darkmatter: In much the same manner that we are lacking cred.
[10:10] <darkmatter> its the whole geek thing. it has no room for that sanity crap
[10:11] <troy_s> darkmatter: Well it had better reconcile it.  The half assed amateuritus will eventually wear down any sort of mainstream momentum it gets.
[10:11] <darkmatter> yup
[10:11] <troy_s> darkmatter: It really needs some solid rocks to stand on.  Arguably the folks like Eric Raymond, Stallman etc. were those rocks early going.  We need a new set to push us into the new millennium.
[10:11] <darkmatter> anyway... the final vision for glory is complete. I'm going to see if I can get the pixmap version up n running by the weekend
[10:12] <troy_s> darkmatter: Good stuffs.  Screenshot?
[10:12] <troy_s> of twf or something?
[10:12] <darkmatter> not yet.. just working on some pixmaps while the lads at school
[10:13] <troy_s> darkmatter: Is it colorizable or nay?
[10:13] <darkmatter> I figured out the skinning of the pathbar, mostly
[10:13] <darkmatter> nope.. the initial build is non transparent for the general widgets
[10:13] <darkmatter> so no colorizing as of yet
[10:14] <darkmatter> but it will be one I get the pixmaps out and get some feedback
[10:14] <darkmatter> because then comes the fun of transferring everything to cairo
[10:15] <darkmatter> engine time pretty soon
[10:17] <darkmatter> troy_s, but the engine part may take a bit... I'm doing the opposite of the whole "every widget looks the same" crap. it'll have full custom widget support coded in for the panel etc
[10:17] <troy_s> hrm... how are you going to do that?
[10:17] <troy_s> using the lua engine?
[10:18] <darkmatter> as in make a "modern" engine instead of the round-win-98 clearlooks umm... sh*te
[10:19] <darkmatter> troy, not lua.. just cairo, but with the extra code for the panel instead of just reusing the button widgets.. not that hard to do really
[10:19] <darkmatter> just time consuming.
[10:19] <darkmatter> I would base it of lua, but the code for lua isnt quite mature yet
[10:26] <darkmatter> troy_s, but if you want a general idea, take a look at the tango palette. The glory palette is basically a modded version. bg_color is #eeeeec
[10:26] <troy_s> ek
[10:27] <darkmatter> it works nicely actually, has a fairy faint beige tint
[10:28] <darkmatter> and its not glaring like gilouche, not win 2000 like clearlooks :P
[10:29] <darkmatter> thats one of the things that drives me nuts about suse... its way to bright... ok for an lcd but painful on a crt
[10:30] <troy_s> well... deep saturation is rather...
[10:30] <troy_s> passee
[10:30] <troy_s> just not exactly top contemporary
[10:30] <darkmatter> well.. hence the modded version of the palette.. the eeeeec isnt that saturated looking
[10:31] <troy_s> good stuff
[10:31] <darkmatter> http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=484764319&size=o
[10:32] <darkmatter> thats still the last weeks view
[10:32] <darkmatter> buttons are going to be much nicer (outline and shadow)
[10:32] <darkmatter> I'm thinking lighting it from the 11 o'clock position
[10:33] <darkmatter> still looks weird, as its a slow build off morning glory
[10:33] <darkmatter> but thats the eeeeec
[10:33] <darkmatter> bg
[10:40] <darkmatter> so the buttons should feel more natural. basically, though not accurate as a description, they'll be a general light  -> dark shift in the outline in a counterclockwise rotation starting at the top
[10:41] <darkmatter> thin down the shadows and make it more complete
[10:41] <darkmatter> etc
[11:01] <troy_s> darkmatter: That shadow, as much as I love shadows, is a little odd... it puts the light very close and above, which is fine, except the rest of the shading seems to defy that.
[11:03] <darkmatter> troy_s, yeah, which is why I'm moving to a more natural shadow (right and bottom) and 11 o'clock lighting for the widgets for as shadows and outlines
[11:03] <troy_s> woot
[11:03] <troy_s> i'll buy that
[11:03] <troy_s> in a heartbeat
[11:03] <troy_s> top left light guy here.
[11:03] <darkmatter> :)
[11:03] <troy_s> lol
[11:03] <troy_s> i'd love to see your mocks of that version
[11:04] <darkmatter> once I finish more widgets, then I'll fix the button lighting'