[01:26] <jmg> anyone familiar with udev rules?
[03:21] <eddmul> anybody can help me? How to upgrade from Ubuntu Edgy to Feisty?
[03:22] <eddmul> :-D
[03:25] <bimberi> eddmul: please ask in #ubuntu
[03:29] <eddmul> where is it? can you help me bimberi?
[03:30] <bimberi> eddmul: sure, just type    /join #ubuntu    in your IRC client
[07:37] <Hobbsee> morning all
[07:38] <bhale> good "morning" Hobbsee 
[07:39] <Hobbsee> hi bhale!
[07:39] <cbx33> mornin
[07:39] <bhale> Hobbsee: hugs
[07:39] <bhale> its not even 2am
[07:39] <cbx33> 5:30am was a silly time to get up to code
[07:39] <Hobbsee> bhale: it's 7.39am here
[07:39] <Hobbsee> haha
[07:40] <cbx33> esp as sqliet3 wasn't all it was cracked up to be
[07:40] <bhale> cbx33: sql92 ftw?
[07:40] <cbx33> sqlite3
[07:40] <cbx33> python module
[07:40] <bhale> nevermind.
[07:41] <cbx33> oh
[07:41] <cbx33> sorry
[07:41] <cbx33> i dunno what to use
[07:41] <cbx33> but the concurrent connection usage is lousy
[07:42] <cbx33> and i have to have multiple concurrent connections as it's single thread only
[07:42] <cbx33> so then I'd have to start caching data
[07:42] <cbx33> *bah*
[07:42] <bhale> right.
[07:43] <cbx33> any suggestions?
[07:43] <bimberi> Hi Hobbsee.  But does it feel like 15:43 (the time here) :)
[07:44] <bhale> joe shaw has been bemoaning the same thing for years
[07:44] <bhale> ever since switching from sqlite2
[07:44] <bhale> there is no cure
[07:46] <cbx33> :(
[07:47] <cbx33> it doth suck as I don't want a whole complete database server
[07:47] <cbx33> just enough
[08:25] <pitti> good morning
[08:27] <StevenK> pitti: Do you mind if I steal your ucf merge?
[08:28] <pitti> StevenK: I just merged it about a week ago, but go ahead
[08:28] <StevenK> pitti: I had a two minute look earlier, I think it can now be synced.
[08:29] <pitti> StevenK: oh, did Debian accept the 'show diff in debconf' patch? nice
[08:29] <StevenK> pitti: Mostly.
[08:30] <StevenK> pitti: Manoj took the patch and dropped the control changes.
[08:34] <pitti> StevenK: sweet; what were the control changes?
[08:35] <StevenK> pitti: mvo dropped the debconf-2.0 alternative. Manoj didn't like it, and so kept it.
[08:36] <pitti> StevenK: hm, that's bad; cdebconf doesn't support the debconf option mvo used
[08:36] <pitti> (allegedly)
[08:36] <StevenK> Ah ha.
[08:36] <StevenK> In which case, the Ubuntu changes only touch changelog and control, then.
[08:37] <pitti> StevenK: well, it's something that should be fixed in Debian as well, so I'd just report it as a Debian bug and sync it
[08:37] <pitti> it's not like it would actually hurt most people
[08:37] <StevenK> pitti: How are you actually coherent this early in the morning? :-P
[08:38] <pitti> StevenK: strong tea :)
[08:38] <StevenK> * Left in the debconf-2.0 as is, since I am assuming anything that provides debconf-2.0 should be a drop in replacement, or that should be considered a bug. This is a change from Michael Vogt's patch.
[08:38] <StevenK> pitti: Ah, don't like coffee?
[08:38] <pitti> StevenK: no, not at all
[08:39] <StevenK> pitti: Same. :-)
[08:40] <StevenK> cdebconf doesn't support dynamic questions?
[08:40] <pitti> StevenK: no, it was the extension that supported escapes in debconf
[08:41] <pitti> StevenK: extension -> option
[08:41] <StevenK> Escape being "I don't want to answer" ?
[08:41] <mario> hi folks
[08:45] <StevenK> Ah, escape not being that at all.
[08:47] <StevenK> pitti: I daresay if cdebconf supports capabilities, it shouldn't be hard to add it.
[08:47] <pitti> StevenK: no, returning strings like 'a\nb'
[08:47] <pitti> StevenK: NB that I haven't verified if that's still true with the current cdebconf
[08:48] <StevenK> pitti: Neither.
[08:48] <StevenK> pitti: I'm more than happy to look into it, and file a sync or upload a merge as required.
[08:49] <pitti> StevenK: ah, don't worry about the merge; it would be nice if you could grep the cdebconf source for that option, and if it doesn't have it, file it as a Debian bug against ucf
[08:50] <StevenK> pitti: I daresay Manoj would just reassign it against cdebconf.
[08:50] <pitti> StevenK: that would even sound right :)
[09:03] <StevenK> pitti: Okay, the latest cdebconf in Feisty and Gutsy does not support the escape capb.
[09:06] <StevenK> The question is, is escape mentioned in the debconf 2.0 specification...
[09:06] <Mithrandir> I don't think it is
[09:07] <pitti> StevenK: so ATM it should drop the alternate dependency then
[09:07] <StevenK> pitti: Yes.
[09:08] <StevenK> In which case ucf now uses debconf-only calls. Neat.
[09:10] <Hobbsee> lets see how bad *this* wifi is, compared to upstairs
[09:10] <Hobbsee> being disconnected is always fun.
[09:11] <pitti> Hobbsee: apparently you are connected now :)
[09:11] <StevenK> Hah
[09:11] <Hobbsee> pitti: for now, yes
[09:12] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: at least you can connect
[09:12] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: true that.  you should be able to, as of this morning, too
[09:12] <Hobbsee> depending on when you trie
[09:12] <Hobbsee> d
[09:51] <tarzeau> can i somehow help w/ #105996 ?
[09:51] <crimsun> tarzeau: #ubuntu-motu
[09:52] <tarzeau> crimsun: thanks
[10:04] <Mirv> I drafted a new spec about fitting more language support on the CDs which is quite important for non-English people for a positive out-of-the-box effect: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/better-desktop-cd-language-support
[10:05] <Mirv> enthustiastic people with lots of free time welcome :)
[10:06] <Hobbsee> Mirv: what are you willing to drop off the cds, to make it fit, then?
[10:07] <Mirv> Hobbsee: possibly documentation translation, or nothing if 7-zip is used for compression
[10:07] <Mirv> Hobbsee: or having an automatic translations download already before installation
[10:07] <Mirv> those three options I've found so far
[10:08] <Hobbsee> wait for the archive admins to see it
[10:08] <Hobbsee> most people are at UDS
[10:09] <Mirv> yeah, I know, that's why I got up to do that spec
[10:10] <Mirv> and I was just going to update my Gobby document with the info that there's now a spec about it :)
[10:10] <Hobbsee> gobby's broken atm
[10:10] <Hobbsee> wait 10 mins?
[10:11] <Mirv> yeah, I created that document where it was documented that you (or MagicFab, both red) ate the documents, heh
[10:11] <Hobbsee> hehe :)
[11:35] <iwj> ./~ Every bug is sacred, every bug is good ./~
[11:36] <keescook> Keybuk: can you flip MoM's changelog generator to gutsy?  :)
[11:37] <Mithrandir> keescook: done yesterday.
[11:37] <Mithrandir> but it doesn't regenerate all the patches
[11:37] <keescook> Mithrandir: ah, very good.  thanks
[11:37] <Keybuk> it's regenerating them atm
[11:43] <StevenK> keescook: Do you mind if I do the aolserver4 merge?
[11:43] <keescook> StevenK: help yourself!  :)
[11:44] <StevenK> keescook: Thanks. :-)
[11:44] <keescook> There have been problems with building the aolserver4 components due to aolserver4's init script not working on amd64 for something reason.  be warned!  :)
[11:45] <StevenK> Leet.
[11:50] <thom> people still use aolserver?
[11:50] <thom> the tcl, it burns!
[11:51] <Seveas> it's tickly...
[12:05] <StevenK> "The requested URL /a/aolserver4/REPORT was not found on this server."
[12:05] <StevenK> Yay, I broke MoM!
[12:05] <StevenK> Or something...
[12:06] <StevenK> Oh, I so know what's going on.
[12:06] <StevenK> It's doing main, and then it will go through and do universe.
[12:09] <StevenK> Actually, only main seems to exist anywhere.
[12:21] <StevenK> Mithrandir: ^
[12:22] <Mithrandir> StevenK: looking.
[12:23] <Mithrandir> StevenK: it's still running, I believe
[12:24] <persia> Mithrandir: Are you accepting give-back requests this week?
[12:24] <Mithrandir> persia: sure
[12:25] <Mithrandir> I'll be in bofs and such so I might not be too responsive, but please just tell me and I'll get to it
[12:25] <persia> Mithrandir: Please give-back hydrogen on powerpc, ia64, i386, and amd64 (docutils is fixed)
[12:25] <StevenK> I'm still waiting for kat to build on sparc.
[12:25] <Mithrandir> persia: given-back
[12:25] <persia> Mithrandir: Thank you.
[12:25] <Mithrandir> sparc's slow, blame sun
[12:26] <Fujitsu> LyX doesn't take 23 hours to build.
[12:26] <Fujitsu> And I'm sure I saw it building a couple of days ago too.
[12:26] <StevenK> Mithrandir: A build waiting 3 days, though?
[12:26] <Fujitsu> That's what I thought.
[12:26] <Fujitsu> sejong has been building lyx for well over 2 days, and there's no log.
[12:27] <StevenK> Not any more.
[12:27] <Fujitsu> Hm, maybe there was another upload...
[12:27] <StevenK> "NOT OK : Exception (<Fault 8002: 'error'>) when setting up to new job (AUTO)"
[12:27] <Mithrandir> I'll get James to poke it with a sharp stick
[12:27] <jmg> 'error'
[12:27] <Fujitsu> I know I saw LyX building on sejong a few days back.
[12:27] <jmg> nice.
[12:27] <Fujitsu> Very useful fault description, I see.
[12:27] <StevenK> Mithrandir: artigas and sejong have the same issue.
[12:28] <StevenK> And vivies is MANUAL, so there are no sparc buildds.
[12:28] <Mithrandir> yeah, elmo is poking them now
[12:28] <StevenK> Actually, why is vivies MANUAL?
[12:28] <StevenK> There is no LiveCD for sparc!
[12:28] <Fujitsu> Security?
[12:28] <Mithrandir> sure?
[12:28] <StevenK> I am sure? Not now.
[12:30] <Mithrandir> let me check
[12:30] <Mithrandir> I just have to nuke some bits off lithium first
[12:30] <StevenK> Mithrandir: I can't see a Desktop CD for sparc on cdimage.u.c
[12:31] <StevenK> Fujitsu: I doubt security uploads use MANUAL buildds.
[12:33] <TheMuso> Mithrandir: If you're not busy, would you mind giving back rosegarden on sparc, ia64, and powerpc please?
[12:33] <Mithrandir> StevenK: true dat.  Oh well
[12:34] <Mithrandir> TheMuso: given-back
[12:34] <TheMuso> Mithrandir: Thanks.
[12:36] <StevenK> Mithrandir: Does that mean you'll get elmo to throw it back to AUTO, or you don't care enough?
[12:37] <Mithrandir> StevenK: I'll poke adam about it.
[12:38] <StevenK> Heh. Now both sparc's admit to building something, but something that started just about a day ago.
[12:38] <Fujitsu> At about the same time, too.
[12:39] <StevenK> Yes. It still smacks of fishyness.
[12:39] <Fujitsu> Ah, they seem fixed now!
[12:39] <Fujitsu> They're idle.
[12:39] <Mithrandir> they'll be voluntold to build something soon, then.
[12:39] <Fujitsu> They are now, yes.
[12:39] <Fujitsu> voluntold, I like it.
[12:40] <StevenK> They're volunteerly commanded to?
[12:40] <TheMuso> heh
[12:50] <persia> Mithrandir: Please give-back jackbeat for ia64 and powerpc
[12:52] <Mithrandir> persia: given-back
[12:52] <persia> Mithrandir: Thank you.
[12:54] <Fujitsu> What's the rationale behind not giving us the give-back button?
[12:56] <Mithrandir> Fujitsu: it allows you to do some bits you shouldn't, like disable the buildds.
[12:57] <Mithrandir> but I'd generally be fine with core-dev, or maybe dev too having give-back privleges.
[12:58] <StevenK> Mithrandir: Oh, do you mind if I deal with your bsd-finger merge?
[01:11] <adrian15> Hello... any ubuntu grub package developer around here or someone that can give me some clue about technical details of gfxboot ? Thank you.
[01:11] <\sh> hmm...what do I have to do, to tell dbus to restart an application, e.g. network-manager backend
[01:12] <hunger> when will ubuntu-desktop become installable again on gutsy?
[01:12] <StevenK> \sh: /etc/dbus-1/event.d/25NetworkManager {stop,start}
[01:13] <\sh> StevenK, yeah...but we need to do it from gnome-system-settings (especially, when you configure a dial-up device)
[01:13] <\sh> StevenK, so I wonder, if I can send a dbus signal to something, which restarts the app
[01:13] <StevenK> \sh: Ahh. No idea, sorry.
[01:14] <mjg59> \sh: ?
[01:14] <mjg59> You don't want to restart the n-m backend. It'll tear down any existing connections.
[01:15] <\sh> mjg59, I configured yesterday a dial-connection with gnome-system-settings (the network app) ... and you have to restart the network-manager backend (/etc/dbus-1/event.d/25NetworkManager restart) so that the nm-applet is reloading the devices...
[01:15] <mjg59> \sh: That's clearly a bug.
[01:15] <mjg59> Or a design flaw.
[01:15] <mjg59> Fix that, don't restart n-m.
[01:15] <\sh> mjg59, I would say the second
[01:16] <mjg59> It's not acceptable to restart people's network connections just because they've configured a modem
[01:16] <\sh> mjg59, how? how can I tell the nm-backend to reload it's devices and tell nm-applet that it has to show up with that ;)
[01:16] <\sh> mjg59, I thought it would work with dbus messages
[01:17] <mjg59> Why is the modem getting configured with gnome-system-settings, anyway?
[01:17] <Fujitsu> Why not write PPP support into debian-backend?
[01:17] <mjg59> I suspect that, if anything, this should be information that's going into hal
[01:17] <mjg59> Not something that's just written out to a static text file somewhere
[01:17] <\sh> mjg59, how do you configure a ppp device with gnome?
[01:18] <\sh> not touching /e/n/i
[01:18] <mjg59> Currently, with gnome-system-settings. But it's designed for static configurations in a way that network-manager isn't
[01:18] <mjg59> Integrate things with the new world order rather than trying to hack stuff back into the old setup
[01:18] <\sh> mjg59, well, after the backend restart, you can see the dial-up device appearing in NM...and it works :) 
[01:19] <\sh> mjg59, debian-backend of NM is reading /e/n/i ... (not "auto"ed ifaces) 
[01:21] <\sh> mjg59, and manual configuration from nm-applet is calling g-s-s / network-settings
[01:21] <mjg59> This doesn't make it the right answer
[01:21] <mjg59> n-m gets devices from hal
[01:21] <mjg59> So, make sure the devices are in hal
[01:21] <Fujitsu> Surely NM can do a little better for Gutsy.
[01:23] <\sh> mjg59, how would you do it, when you have to configure your modem first via /etc/ppp/peers/<connection name>
[01:23] <mjg59> Parse that, inject information into hal
[01:23] <mjg59> But you're conflating things
[01:23] <mjg59> There's two concepts - the device (which should be in hal) and the profile (which should be applicable to any modem device)
[01:24] <\sh> mjg59, and nm is working with the profile
[01:24] <\sh> the device is configured in the ppp-profile
[01:24] <mjg59> As I said, you're conflating things
[01:29] <\sh> mjg59, so you mean, we need to have a directory notifier, when /etc/ppp/peers has changed it has to send a signal that a new ppp device/ppp peer is available? I'm just trying to understand how we can come around this mess, just because the mix of hardware (modem device) and a software configuration with a "virtual" device (pppX)
[01:31] <\sh> mjg59, or adding ppp configuration support for serial devices which are managed through hal
[01:31] <mjg59> I think you need to stop thinking in terms of /etc/ppp/peers
[01:34] <\sh> hmm..freedesktop.org is down?
[01:34] <mr_cha0s> I have what's probably a weird question, but i'm a dev for a project ok... well this guy's been coming around, saying he's gonna make a .deb package for us, since it's cross platform. Well now he's saying he isn't using our binaries, he "made his own" etc and I couldn't possibly know the integrity of the package he wants to put up. My question is, when people upload packages, is it checked with the developers of the project? Or could a
[01:35] <mr_cha0s> dunno if that was a whole message or it got cut off...
[01:35] <Nafallo> cut off
[01:35] <mr_cha0s> where at?
[01:35] <mr_cha0s> well here
[01:35] <Nafallo>  Or could a
[01:35] <mr_cha0s> Or could any dude just upload a package with our name on it?
[01:36] <mjg59> mr_cha0s: In general, packages are uploaded to Ubuntu as source code and then binaries built on the distribution build servers (which most developers don't have direct access to)
[01:36] <mjg59> But yes, someone can add a package to Ubuntu without asking the upstream developers, assuming that the software license allows that
[01:38] <mr_cha0s> that's kind of crappy ;S
[01:38] <mr_cha0s> i thought it was a .deb package that got uploaded
[01:38] <mjg59> No
[01:39] <mjg59> For GPL-compliance reasons, we need to be sure that we can build the binaries we distribute
[01:39] <mr_cha0s> thing is, it's a self-hosting BASIC compiler
[01:39] <mr_cha0s> it's all GPL'd
[01:39] <mjg59> How's it bootstrapped?
[01:40] <mr_cha0s> it was started in VB-dos like 2 1/2 years ago lol. 32-bit ever since
[01:40] <mr_cha0s> it's the best BASIC since QB hey
[01:40] <mr_cha0s> now i know lots of people don't take basic seriously but i could care less ;p
[01:40] <mjg59> When it's not possible to build a compiler in anything other than itself, I think we may accept binaries for the purpose of bootstrapping
[01:41] <mjg59> But there'll still be a source upload for the shipped binary
[01:41] <mr_cha0s> yeah, i just don't want this guy uploading some binaries he built. i don't even know him. i'm like "Use our binaries" and it's like i'm talking to a wall or something
[01:42] <mr_cha0s> we have linux binary releases, we just do tar.gz for now
[01:42] <mjg59> The binaries shipped will be binaries we build
[01:42] <mr_cha0s> yeah, that's totally cool.
[01:42] <mjg59> But as I said, that's all automated - whoever uploads stuff doesn't have access to the systems that do the building, so it's not easy to subvert them
[01:42] <mr_cha0s> but like i said, there's ognna have to be those binaries to bootstrap it, not to mention he's uploading 2 minor versions back from current >.<
[01:43] <Fujitsu> Is `he' related to Ubuntu at all?
[01:46] <adrian15> do you know if cjwatson begins to be online on about 10 minutes or 15 minutes or is it later?
[01:46] <adrian15> I have to talk to him but seems not being here.
[01:51] <mr_cha0s> oh well i'll just hope for the best :P
[01:51] <mr_cha0s> thanks for the input
[01:52] <Mithrandir> StevenK: bsd-finger> feel free
[01:53] <StevenK> Mithrandir: Right, thanks.
[01:53] <adrian15> it does not matter I send him an email
[02:51] <Mithrandir> asac: what do you think we should do about ice* packages when syncing from Debian?
[02:51] <StevenK> Oh, twitch.
[02:55] <asac> Mithrandir: going to session ... will talk to you then :)
[02:59] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir: scream and run around
[02:59] <Mithrandir> Hobbsee: oh?
[03:00] <Hobbsee> [22:51]  <Mithrandir> asac: what do you think we should do about ice* packages when syncing from Debian?
[03:00] <Mithrandir> oh
[03:00] <Hobbsee> (screwy timezones)
[03:00] <Mithrandir> yeah, I guess.
[03:00] <Mithrandir> yeah, you're clearly from the future.
[03:00] <Hobbsee> yep
[03:00] <StevenK> Mithrandir: iceweasel should clearly be blacklisted, but I have NFI about the others.
[03:00] <Hobbsee> and you're stuck in the past.  again.
[03:01] <Mithrandir> I like it in the past.
[03:01] <Hobbsee> but why?
[03:02] <lifeless> Hobbsee: your time zone is clearly correct.
[03:02] <lifeless> 23:00 < Hobbsee> [22:51]  <Mithrandir> asac: what do you think we should do about ice* packages when syncing from Debian?
[03:02] <Hobbsee> lifeless: indeed.
[03:03] <StevenK> I concur.
[03:07] <Mithrandir> Hobbsee: because then it's so much easier to predict the future.
[03:08] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir: good luck with that.
[03:09] <Simira> Hobbsee: wow, are you online? :p How's Spain?
[03:10] <pbn> hello
[03:10] <Hobbsee> Simira!!!!
[03:10] <Hobbsee> Simira: no. i'm offline, and manage to communicate via brainwaves
[03:11] <Hobbsee> it's fun :)
[03:11] <pbn> Hobbsee: is that you heh ? :)   http://www.notebookmagazine.com/people/images/h-people-sarahhobbs_145137b14e7516.jpg
[03:11] <Hobbsee> i doubt it
[03:11] <Mithrandir> Hobbsee: that's just like when your machine ran off magic yesterday.
[03:11] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir: indeed!
[03:11] <Hobbsee> pbn: she's kinda pretty.  i think i should say yes :P
[03:11] <Mithrandir> I think we should disassemble Hobbsee and steal the technologies powering her.
[03:11] <pbn> Hobbsee: heh :)
[03:12] <pbn> heh, like in Robocop ?
[03:12] <Simira> Hobbsee: it's all for our common goals!
[03:12] <Mithrandir> Hobbsee: we'll reassemble you afterwards.  Us being geeks, we're good at both disassembling and reassembling technical inventions.
[03:12] <pbn> yeah
[03:12] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir: right...just dont attempt to break me, please
[03:13] <pbn> I like doing that with old hardware
[03:13] <Treenaks> Hobbsee: he's been trying all week, didn't you notice?
[03:13] <Hobbsee> Treenaks: of course i have.  
[03:13] <Simira> Hobbsee: you might even get some extra bu^features being reassembled!
[03:13] <StevenK> Treenaks: Mithrandir is always trying.
[03:13] <Hobbsee> Simira: oh wonderful.
[03:13] <StevenK> Simira: You're missing a W.
[03:13] <StevenK> It's ^W
[03:14] <Hobbsee> Simira: what would they be?
[03:14] <Simira> StevenK: it's just you who can't see it
[03:14] <Simira> Hobbsee: that's a surprise for you to discover
[03:15] <Treenaks> Hobbseecopter?
[03:15] <Hobbsee> mmm...cool
[03:15] <Hobbsee> Treenaks: you mean i'd get the ability to fly???  COOL!!!
[03:15] <StevenK> Simira: Fair enough
[03:15] <Treenaks> Hobbsee: you might..
[03:15] <Mithrandir> Hobbsee: anything flies given enough velocity.
[03:15] <StevenK> And trust
[03:15] <StevenK> Er
[03:15] <StevenK> Thrust
[03:16] <Treenaks> StevenK: or both 8)
[03:16] <Mithrandir> StevenK: you sven.
[03:16] <Mithrandir> or antisven
[03:16] <StevenK> Uh huh
[03:16] <StevenK> I don't particulary like that nickname.
[03:17] <StevenK> So don't use it.
[03:17] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir: that's...not good.
[03:17] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir: just dont give seveas ideas...
[03:17] <Mithrandir> Hobbsee: the velocity, trust, thrust or sven bit?
[03:17] <Treenaks> Hobbsee: 'trust me'
[03:17] <Treenaks> "it'll work"
[03:17] <Hobbsee> Treenaks: nah, dont think so :P
[03:18] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir: the idea of me with velocity, yes.
[03:19] <Simira> Treenaks: hey, how's the videoing coming along?
[03:19] <Treenaks> Simira: sladen has my camera
[03:19] <Simira> Treenaks: is that really safe?
[03:19] <ajmitch> he's not videoing anyone right at this moment
[03:19] <ajmitch> so it's safe enough
[03:19] <Treenaks> Simira: safe enough
[03:20] <Hobbsee> mmm...cameras...must eat cameras...
[03:20] <Hobbsee> s/eat/destroy/
[03:20] <Treenaks> Hobbsee: because of http://foodfight.org/fotos/2007/05-07%20UDS%20Sevilla/ ?
[03:20] <Hobbsee> Treenaks: that's one lot, yes.
[03:20] <Treenaks> Hobbsee: but.. but.. you're on there only once!
[03:21] <Hobbsee> Treenaks: that's once too many!
[03:21] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: why?
[03:21] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: because i look awful in photos
[03:22] <Mithrandir> it really doesn't help when you take pictures of people at 18mm or thereabouts.
[03:22] <Mithrandir> they look like they're in a fish bowl.
[03:22] <Hobbsee> yes, well...
[03:22] <Treenaks> Mithrandir: yeah :) I did that on purpose
[03:22] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: you just look like you're about to hit him
[03:23] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: my arm isnt long enough.  and i'm not quite sure where he is.
[03:23] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: maybe later.
[03:24] <Treenaks> Hobbsee: who? me? look on your right and up
[03:24] <Hobbsee> Treenaks: ahh.  i was actually thinking of Mithrandir, but maybe both of you
[03:25] <thom> Mithrandir has been buying more camera stuff i see
[03:26] <Mithrandir> thom: yeah, but my 50mm didn't arrive before I left for .es
[03:26] <Mithrandir> so I don't have any really nice and bright portraity lenses.
[03:26] <Mithrandir> 50mm f/1.4
[03:26] <Treenaks> Mithrandir: I have a 50mm/1.4 for my canon
[03:27] <Treenaks> it _rocks_
[03:27] <Mithrandir> yeah, I played with a friend's some time ago.
[03:27] <torkel> oh, stop it. I getting jealous :-P
[03:27] <Treenaks> (rocks: http://foodfight.org/fotos/2006/05-12%20Fear%20Dark%20Festival/img_0112.jpg.html)
[03:28] <Hobbsee> Treenaks: TWITCH!
[03:29] <Treenaks> Hobbsee: twitch? why?
[03:29] <Treenaks> Hobbsee: it's just a scary long-haired metal guy..
[03:29] <bddebian> Heya
[03:29] <thom> Mithrandir: yeah, i got my 50/1.4 a couple of weeks back
[03:30] <Hobbsee> oh wait, wrong link
[03:30] <Mithrandir> thom: got a domke f-2 bag though.  Lovely, lovely bag.
[03:31] <thom> Mithrandir: ooh, nice
[03:32] <infinity> jdong: I'll fix that up for you first thing in the morning, don't stress about it.
[03:32] <Mithrandir> hiya Adam
[03:52] <mario> hi folks
[04:00] <robertj_> I was told that a drafter would be assigned to simplesamba based out on the outcome of a card game? Did this not occur? What must I do to facilitate further gambling (and presumably drinking) on this matter so that this situation can be resolved??
[04:07] <mario> robertj_, :P
[04:13] <mario> Hobbsee, what's on schedule?
[04:13] <mario> Hobbsee, btw. when you see mvo ... grab him, and tell him that I need him
[04:13] <Hobbsee> http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/uds-sevilla/2007-05-08/
[04:13] <mario> so he can come to irc
[04:14] <Hobbsee> i...think he's still upstairs
[04:14] <Hobbsee> cant see him, sorry
[04:14] <mario> no problem ^_^
[04:23] <mario> mvo, !
[05:19] <shawarma> seb128: Around?
[05:20] <seb128> shawarma: sort of, in the middle of a meeting
[05:25] <shawarma> seb128: It can wait.
[05:26] <seb128> shawarma: why?
[05:26] <shawarma> seb128: It *can* wait.
[05:26] <seb128> shawarma: just ask
[05:26] <seb128> k
[05:26] <shawarma> seb128: ah, ok.
[05:28] <shawarma> I just saw this spec https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/gaimlibnotify-by-default being scheduled twice now. Since you seem to be generally caring for gaim (or pidgin or whatever), perhaps you could handle it? It seems silly to have it take up space in the schedule several days in a row with noone showing up for the BoF's since there's really nothing to discuss.
[05:29] <shawarma> The title says it all. They want a Depends or Recommends or something on gaim-libnotify. That's it, really.
[05:29] <seb128> shawarma: that's nothing for a spec, I'll change it to drafting so it's not scheduled again
[05:30] <shawarma> That's all I'm asking.
[05:30] <shawarma> Thanks!
[05:31] <seb128> shawarma: np
[05:32] <seb128> it was already in drafting, maybe somebody else changed it today already
[05:33] <shawarma> Oh, possibly.
[05:33] <shawarma> I'm amazed how long the spec is, really. I've read through it, and there's nothing else in it, so don't bother. :-)
[05:35] <shawarma> It still shows up here as "New"?
[05:35] <Hobbsee> fabbione: boo.
[05:36] <fabbione> Hobbsee: ahhhhh!
[05:36] <Hobbsee> :P
[05:37] <fabbione> heheh
[05:37] <fabbione> Hobbsee: into meeting rooms?
[05:38] <Hobbsee> fabbione: maybe...
[05:38] <fabbione> Hobbsee: or just hiding from you because you are too scary :P
[05:39] <Hobbsee> fabbione: heh.  true that
[05:49] <shawarma> seb128: It still shows up as "New" here.
[05:49] <seb128> shawarma: url?
[05:50] <shawarma> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/gaimlibnotify-by-default
[05:50] <seb128> shawarma: try again
[05:50] <shawarma> seb128: There it goes! 
[05:50] <shawarma> seb128: Cheers!
[05:50] <seb128> you're welcome
[07:02] <concept10> Have they posted any notes or info on the ubuntu-mobile part of the summit anywhere?
[07:04] <zul> nope
[07:04] <concept10> zul, thanks .. :(
[08:05] <\sh> I wonder if we can compile now sun java from source and put those packages into main, restricted or universe....that would be a jump 
[08:09] <zyga> \sh: I guess restricted is out of the question
[08:09] <zyga> \sh: if you are talking about core which is 100% GPL now :-)
[08:09] <\sh> zyga, the compiler is 100% gplv2 :)
[08:10] <zyga> I don't know really, I'm not sure what sun calls 'core'
[08:10] <zyga> heh
[08:10] <zyga> I remember asking sabdfl about sun gpling java last year
[08:10] <zyga> he said who knows, unlikely :-)
[08:10] <\sh> I think the problem is more the runtime (JVM) ;)
[08:10] <zyga> and now look :D
[08:10] <zyga> hmm? the runtime is open already, no?
[08:10] <zyga> (not the classpath)
[08:11] <zyga> just the java vm
[08:11] <zyga> I mean it was open way before anything else, no?
[08:11] <shirish> zyga: I'm no developer but it would be cool if we used the gnu java as much as we could
[08:11] <zyga> gnu java as in gcj?
[08:12] <shirish> right, gcj
[08:12] <zyga> shirish: IMO the sun vm is better at this stage
[08:12] <zyga> if anything both should merge
[08:12] <zyga> nothing against that now
[08:12] <shirish> zyga: that I think is a long shot till the classpath doesn't become gpl
[08:12] <zyga> the last thing I'd like is kde vs gnome in java world with *compatible* license :-)
[08:12] <shirish> the libraries
[08:12] <\sh> ah they call it "hotspot" 
[08:13] <zyga> shirish: yeah that's a different case but the classpath is less important right now
[08:13] <zyga> the core vm is the critical point, everything else will follow
[08:13] <zyga> \sh: hotspot is the vm for desktops
[08:13] <shirish> I actually made a mail in gnu java mailing list listing out what all stuff uses sun java using galternatives as a guide.
[08:13] <\sh> zyga, hmm...what's the name on openjdk.dev.kava.net/ for the server jvm? ,-)
[08:14] <zyga> \sh: hmm, I don't know really
[08:14] <zyga> I'm not familiar with kava 
[08:15] <shirish> java@gcc.gnu.org
[08:15] <\sh> shirish, problem is, that most people are using sun jvm and jdk for their development...and a jvm compiled on the running system is quite better then mass binaries...I know the problem...because our product is java based ... the whole bunch of code crap ;-)  
[08:16] <shirish> http://gcc.gnu.org/ml/java/2007-05/msg00022.html
[08:17] <shirish> \sh: do understand what you are saying, but do feel its better to give more focus to people/groups who already have gpl'ed software
[08:17] <zyga> \sh: my company is looking into writing and deploying a largish java server app due to lack of any other language that would suffice, care to elaborate on that issue if you have a moment?
[08:18] <\sh> zyga, sure
[08:18] <\sh> zyga, query :)
[09:21] <alecjw> hi. im interested in getting involved in the ubuntu mobile project. does anyone know who i should contact?
[09:25] <SoftIce> good day, how would i find out who supports the kernel-patch-vserver for dapper?
[09:26] <concept10> SoftIce, launchpad?
[09:29] <alecjw> SoftIce, https://beta.launchpad.net/ubuntu/dapper/+source/kernel-patch-vserver - "Drivers:  	  Ubuntu Core Development Team"
[09:31] <SoftIce> so out of intrest, as we all know kernel-patch-vserver isn't supported in debian anymore, but would dapper make sure its up to date? 
[09:33] <concept10> SoftIce, security updates maybe.. if it's in main, or check backports 
[09:35] <SoftIce> i dont like the sound of the maybe :)
[09:35] <SoftIce> isn't all security updates taken care of?
[09:42] <concept10> SoftIce, I said maybe because I dont use dapper and havent researched that package
[09:42] <concept10> SoftIce, plus, im not a developer/maintainer
[09:43] <concept10> SoftIce, what version do you have currently?
[09:46] <concept10> SoftIce, looks like edgy has the same -v as dapper and hasnt been released since a year ago.. maybe talk to #ubuntu-motu since its in universe
[10:02] <Draconicus> brb
[10:39] <Solarion> what do I need to do to get openoffice debug info when it crashes?
[10:40] <Solarion> (I remember seeing a link; I just can't find it
[10:59] <micahcowan> Would anybody like to sponsor a patch for multiple frees in gawk? :)
[11:45] <Nafallo> Hobbsee: why are people scared of you? :-)
[11:45] <Hobbsee> Nafallo: dunno.  i'm sweet and innocent :P
[11:45] <Nafallo> Hobbsee: you'll have to prove that ;-)
[11:45] <Hobbsee> Nafallo: i am. at UDS
[11:46] <bhale> yay Hobbsee 
[11:46] <Hobbsee> er, except for the odd bit of beating people up
[11:46] <Hobbsee> heya bhale 
[11:46] <Nafallo> Hobbsee: hehe. so I'll ask Mithrandir when he's around then ;-)
[11:46] <Mithrandir> (a little bit)
[11:47] <Nafallo> oh! he's around :-)
[11:47] <Hobbsee> Nafallo: yes.  
[11:48] <Nafallo> hej Mithrandir :-). r Hobbsee snll och oskuldsfull? ;-)
[11:48] <Nafallo> oops :-)
[11:48] <Nafallo> baah. you understand Swedish anyway :-P
[11:49] <Mithrandir> yeah, she is.
[11:50] <Nafallo> :-)
[11:52] <Mithrandir> whether you're kind and innocent.
[11:52] <Hobbsee> ahh
[11:58] <Nafallo> :-)
[11:58] <Nafallo> Hobbsee: told you I would ask him :-P
[11:59] <Hobbsee> Nafallo: so it seems.
[12:05] <micahcowan> Would anybody like to sponsor a patch for multiple frees in gawk? :)
[12:05] <Hobbsee> bribes accepted.
[12:06] <micahcowan> ... :(