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Davieystill lots of stuff we can strip out eh?12:28
superm1well there is still stuff that can be stripped out if we step back from the ubuntu-minimal and ubuntu-standard packages12:30
superm1guess we'll have to see how strapped for space we end up12:30
DaveMorrisDaviey: If you get a job at smoothwall, make it easy to block subnets of continents (sp) so I don't have to c&p the subnets12:30
Davieyshould be fine tbh - well below 650mb12:30
DavieyDaveMorris, :)12:31
superm1with all packages installed, we were sitting at 372 last local build i did12:31
superm1God, this is great :) Fetched 40.6MB in 10s (3838kB/s)12:31
Davieysuperm1, that's faster than my LAN :)12:31
DaveMorrisfaster than my apt-cacher12:32
DavieyFetched 80.7MB in 35s (2271kB/s)!!!!!12:34
superm1when said and done, i think we are going to end up with a metapackage called ubuntu-desktop12:34
superm1that will depend on everything necessary that is in here12:34
superm1because that will probably be the easiest way to interface with the installer12:35
Davieylet's make a meta-package that only includes ubuntu-desktop :)12:35
superm1er um mythbuntu-desktop12:35
superm1i was reading a forum post when typing that....12:35
superm1oh you know what.  i think i know what might have done it.12:41
superm1imbrando n is running apache and mysql-server on there isn't he?12:41
superm1well perhaps in that chroot it is trying to start another instance of mysql-server12:42
superm1whereas locally when i built - my laptop didnt have it on there12:42
superm1so it clearly cant bind to port 3306 when its already in use12:42
DaveMorrisset it to bind to another port12:44
superm1well that makes fine sense during install, but then it needs to be set back before burning12:44
DaveMorrisor change the other one12:44
superm1because doing things on nonstandard ports will sure complicate an installation, now wont it?12:44
DaveMorrisyes, so change the port of the one installed on the server12:45
DaveMorrisor swap the server to use postgreSQL12:45
superm1still i expect apache to have the same troubles?12:46
superm1just didnt let the build go that far in12:46
DaveMorriscan we build the image on a home machine and then upload it each night?12:46
superm1well the idea is supposed to be that it will build quicker on there eventually12:47
superm1but yes we can do that if it comes down to it12:47
DaveMorrismy backup machine hardly does anything12:47
DaveMorrisjust sits there all day and backs up svn repos adn databases once a day, and does an rsync with my desktops once a week12:48
DaveMorrisit can easily build it and upload the iso every day12:48
DaveMorrisalthough the upload will be slow12:48
superm1k, i'll keep that in mind.  decent bandwidth?12:48
superm1oh.12:48
DaveMorrisDSL12:48
DaveMorrisso about 28Kbps up12:48
superm1ick12:48
superm1hopefully wont have to resort to that12:49
DaveMorrisabout a 5 - 6 hr upload :(12:50
DaveMorrisor I could setup a machine at work to do it12:50
DaveMorrismy work = uni = superJanet12:50
Davieysuperm1, if the machine was a little beefier we could run a vm12:50
DaveMorrisbut my work machine is Amd64 which may cause problems12:51
Davieychroot to the resuce12:51
superm1well we will be doing both amd64 and x86 ideally12:51
DaveMorrisof course it won't be a problem for doing amd64 iso's12:51
superm1but for now x86 will be fine, but yes chroot to the rescue12:52
superm1*most* of the process takes place in a chroot right now anyhow...... Daviey ;)12:52
Daviey"Setting up mysql-server-5.0 (5.0.38-0ubuntu1) " dum de dum12:52
DaveMorrisif you give me a script I can have my desktop at work auto build the iso and upload to your server.  And e-mail us all if it failed12:52
superm1on the console it was launching:  * Stopping MySQL database server mysqld                                                                                       [ OK ] 12:53
superm1 * Starting MySQL database server mysqld                                                                                       [fail] 12:53
superm1invoke-rc.d: initscript mysql, action "start" failed.12:53
superm1dpkg: error processing mysql-server-5.0 (--configure):12:53
superm1 subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 112:53
superm1but not in the build log12:53
superm1so yet the same thing12:53
DaveMorristhinking about it I also have access to an i386 box12:53
Davieyhmm superm1 - i suggest changing pegasus standard12:53
Davieyonly drupal uses it atm, right?12:53
superm1i think12:54
superm1. i hope12:54
Davieyinfact.... lets try the build again with mysqld killed12:54
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superm1see apache is so much nicer about this: Setting Apache2 not to start, as something else appears to be using Port 80. To allow apache2 to start, set NO_START to 0 in /etc/default/apache2. Apache2 has been set to listen on port 80 by default, so please edit /etc/apache2/ports.conf as desired. Note that the Port directive no longer works.12:55
superm1i'll stop it once it stops trying to install more packages for a moment12:55
superm1so we can pick back up at the same time12:55
superm1Daviey, know where the drupal setting for port is?12:56
Davieynope12:56
Davieyis the latest build script in bzr?12:58
Davieymysql down12:58
superm1just took it down01:00
superm1and trying it with it down01:00
superm1latest build script is in /var/cache/mythbuntu_iso/01:01
superm1yup that worked right01:01
superm1so we need to move the local mysql server to another port01:01
Davieyhmm.. what about apache tho01:03
superm1apache seems to continue on01:04
superm1and not complain too much01:05
Davieycan i bring mysqld back up?01:05
superm1just did01:05
superm1on port 330701:05
superm1looks like drupal just needed /var/www/sites/default/settings.php all changed01:05
superm1to add a port number01:05
Davieywas looking through interface - coudn't find anything01:07
Davieyseem logical for it not to be part of interface tho - if you can see the interface - your connected01:08
superm1:)01:09
superm1so i realized too, that mysql will be running after the build process starts, so at the end of the build script, i added a call to stop it01:10
superm1i noticed that both it and apache were running from a chroot on my box :)01:10
superm1keescook, ping?01:10
rogue780|laptopsuperm1, Daviey , you'll be getting mail in a few minutes01:11
rogue780|laptopI've sent it...no saying when you'll get it01:12
Davieyrogue780|laptop, cheers - i was just gonna go to bed; but now i'll wait01:12
Davieycan you guys work on gmt timezone?01:12
Davieythat would make things better for me01:12
Daviey:P01:13
rogue780|laptopthey're concepts...different coloring on one...tell me what you like and I'll develop something based on your input...call it evolution based artwork if you will01:13
rogue780|laptopDaviey, I work in zulu time...that close enough?01:13
Davieymy zulu or yours?01:13
Daviey:)01:13
rogue780|laptopGMT with now daylight savings time01:13
rogue780|laptop:)01:14
rogue780|laptop(:01:14
Davieyrogue780|laptop, you come from a military background?01:14
rogue780|laptopI'm in the US Air Force for another 3 years01:15
rogue780|laptopthen I'm gettin' out01:15
DaveMorrisrogue780| so BST then01:16
rogue780|laptopBull **** Time?01:16
DavieyBrit summer time01:16
rogue780|laptopah01:16
superm1Daviey, i'm awake all day01:16
superm1you've caught me at least 18 different hours of the day :001:16
Davieyhehe01:17
superm1rogue780|laptop, i'm between 1 and 201:25
superm1not much of a fan of 301:25
Davieysuperm1, just had a though01:25
Davieyt01:25
Davieythe mythbuntu usplash - isn't that arch = any?01:26
superm1rogue780|laptop, and its a tough decision between 1 and 2.01:26
superm1yes01:26
superm1so it can be built for amd64, ppc, sparc, arm, anything01:26
Davieyimage 1: +101:27
Davieycurrently it's i38601:27
Davieyshould be any - surely?01:27
superm1well arch=any means it "can" be built for anything01:27
superm1arch=all means that one binary works on all01:27
rogue780|laptopI've got a fourth01:27
superm1is it 1.5?01:28
superm1because i'm literally half way between 1 and 201:28
rogue780|laptopmight give 1 and 2 competition...the 3rd one was a concept idea....I'll explain more in another one I think.01:28
Davieyi mean - the compile should work on any - right?01:28
DaveMorrisDaviey: should do01:29
DaveMorriscan but try01:29
Daviey:( mythbuntu-artwork-usplash_0.1_i386.deb01:29
superm1the compile should work on any yes01:29
superm1so if you take that source package and do it on amd6401:30
superm1things will work out as expected01:30
DaveMorriscan he compile for amd64 on i386 is what his asking I think01:30
Davieywhat i was really asking is - for something such as this, does it need a specifc architecture build?01:31
Davieyor can the .deb be 'any'?01:31
rogue780|laptopDaviey, superm1 ygm01:31
rogue780|laptopor ywgm01:32
DaveMorrisywgm?01:32
rogue780|laptopyou will get mail01:32
Davieyyou w****** got mail?01:32
DaveMorrisahh01:32
superm1oh it needs to be architecture specific builds01:32
rogue780|laptopfor those of you with ubuntuwire01:32
Davieyrogue780|laptop, nice effort - but it's loosing it's 'buzz'01:33
superm1there is a source file in it that gets compiled for that particular architecture01:33
Davieyah.. good point01:33
Davieythe C file01:34
superm1are both attachments identical?01:34
DaveMorrishttps://launchpad.net/~mythbuntu/bzr link from http://www.mythbuntu.org/node/4 is broken btw01:34
Davieyrogue780|laptop, if you could make it darker - i do like the effect01:34
Davieywith the white light01:34
superm1thanks DaveMorris01:34
rogue780|laptopsuperm1, eh? mythbuntu4.xcf.tar.gz is another idea01:35
superm1we dont have that branch finalized still because we need to migrate01:35
superm1i havent downloaded yet01:35
superm1just swa the two01:35
rogue780|laptopDaviey, so no blue? kind of a silvery look?01:35
Davieydarker blue01:35
Davieyit's quite pale atm01:35
superm1i do like the idea of 4, but agree with Daviey01:35
superm1i see where you are going with it01:35
rogue780|laptopdarker blue. got it01:35
DaveMorrisis someone gonna create a mythbuntu myththeme?01:36
Davieyhaha01:36
DavieyDaveMorris, well voluntered01:36
superm1that would make sense, wouldnt it01:36
DaveMorrisDaviey: I don't have a clue how to do it, and my artistic skills suck01:36
DavieyDaveMorris, me 2!01:37
DavieyDaveMorris, if you do feel like trying to - might be an idea to speak with juski in #mythtv-users01:37
Davieyhe has made some nice themes01:37
Davieyhttp://www.juski.co.uk/01:37
superm1he has made some really really sweet themes01:38
superm1i am in love with blootube lately01:38
DaveMorriscould we ask him to make a mythbuntu one if he is feeling bored01:38
Davieysweet.... if memory hungry :)01:38
DaveMorrisI currently use lulius01:38
Davieysuperm1, i had to give up on blootube-wide as it wanted more ram01:38
superm1well i've got a gig of ram in my box01:38
superm1it does run pretty heavy though your righ01:38
Davieyi had a gig - but took out 512 for my server01:38
DavieyDaveMorris, might be worth a try01:39
rogue780|laptopwhen did geocities stop being free?01:39
DaveMorrismy hardware is seriously under powered01:39
DaveMorriscouldn't we just edit the default mythtv themes anre replace mythtv with mythbuntu TV01:40
Davieygood thinking - they are all gpl'd01:41
Daviey(all official)01:41
superm1DaveMorris, the new iso is done01:41
superm1if you want to grab it01:41
superm1it replaced the old one (since today is still 050707 here)01:41
DavieyAnybody played with knoppmyth recently?01:42
Daviey(or for the last year)?01:42
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superm1Daviey, blasphemy :)01:42
Davieygood thinking!01:42
superm1But no i haven't01:42
superm1night DaveMorris01:42
Davieysuperm1, hehe - they have added extra menu's - maintaince style01:42
Davieylike "backup settings"01:42
Davieyand "restore settings"01:42
superm1thats pretty useful for them to do01:43
rogue780|laptophttp://68.49.53.29/mythbuntu5.png01:43
Davieywe shouldn't need that quite so much as it's a constant upgrade01:43
rogue780|laptopfigured this might be faster01:43
superm1considering our automatic mysql backups, sholudnt be too bad for us to do01:43
Davieyknoppmyth insist on a fresh install after each release01:44
superm1oh thats why01:44
superm1i see01:44
superm1ah i like rogue780|laptop01:44
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Davieythat's much better01:45
Davieyany chance you can try one shade darker for comparision?01:45
rogue780|laptopsure01:45
Davieyanyway... i *really* need sleep01:45
Davieyrogue780|laptop, good work01:45
superm1Night Daviey :)01:46
Davieybe back tomorrow - today - bah 10 hours i expect01:46
rogue780|laptophttp://68.49.53.29/mythbuntu6.png01:47
rogue780|laptopdarker still?01:48
superm1i think 5 is good darkness01:48
superm16 is very subtle01:48
rogue780|laptoptry 701:50
rogue780|laptopmore contrast01:51
rogue780|laptopI don't like it01:51
rogue780|laptopso nevermind01:51
rogue780|laptopso 5 is good?01:52
superm17 is loading really slow...01:54
superm1let you know when it come up01:54
rogue780|laptopalrighty. gotta love cable--13mbit down...super slow up01:54
tgm4883im not a fan of 701:54
tgm48835 looks good though01:54
rogue780|laptopyeah i didn't like 7 too much once i saw it full size01:55
rogue780|laptopok01:55
tgm4883maybe somewhere between 5 and 7 is great, but 5 is the best right now01:55
rogue780|laptopsuperm1, tgm4883 if you go to my root address can you access my mythweb?01:56
superm15 is the best right now01:56
superm1yes i can01:56
tgm4883yep01:56
superm1you might want to put a htaccess file there..01:56
rogue780|laptop:\01:56
superm1and for the phpmyadmin as well01:56
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rogue780|laptopI'll have to look into htaccess never done one before01:57
rogue780|laptoplol01:57
superm1your CPU is 34C right now.  and you have 13 days of guide data01:57
superm1tgm4883, the disk that was just bulit a few minutes ago is more useful now01:57
superm1it will install into a backend/frontend01:58
superm1and launch mythtv-setup upon reboot01:58
tgm4883nice01:59
tgm4883um01:59
tgm4883rogue780|laptop, you got pm02:03
rogue780|laptophttp://68.49.53.29/mythbuntu8.png02:03
rogue780|laptoptgm4883, i have issues with pm's on freenode02:03
tgm4883ah02:03
tgm4883well02:03
tgm4883you need to set some security up on your box02:03
tgm4883let me check something02:04
rogue780|laptopand I have security. normally I don't have any open ports at all...I just opened it up to show ya'll what I've done w/o having to send e-mails02:04
tgm4883ah02:04
superm18 looks very good02:04
rogue780|laptopso are we agreed on a double gradient instead of a single one?02:05
superm1yes02:05
tgm48838 looks great02:06
superm1rogue780|laptop, if you do decide to leave port 80 open, you will want to add a mysql password.  its a two step process if your interested02:06
superm1sudo dpkg-reconfigure mysql-server-5.0 followed by sudo dpkg-reconfigure mythtv-database02:06
superm1either that or remove phpmyadmin or add htaccess files02:07
rogue780|laptopnaw I'm gonna close it off now actually...gotta clean the carpet on the other half of the room. but I will add some security02:07
superm1ah okay02:07
superm1good good02:07
superm1just dont want to see someone take your box hostage02:07
superm1but 8 looks great02:07
rogue780|laptopand it's closed02:08
tgm4883mythweb rocks02:08
rogue780|laptopok. I'll work on making a final product based off of 8 and I'll send it to you in the morning02:08
superm1sweet okay.  then i'll have the licensing ready by tomorrow02:08
superm1to resubmit with it02:08
superm1can you do the same thing where you gave me the 3 different sizes again02:09
superm1and i'll get the 1360x768 made too02:09
rogue780|laptopyeah02:10
superm1i'll make these into default backgrounds for mythbuntu installer as well02:17
superm1rather than the centered mythbuntu logo02:17
superm1*centered mythtv logo02:17
tgm4883do we know roughly when .21 will be released?02:22
superm1there is unfortunately never an eta with the way myth works02:25
superm1its always "when its done"02:25
superm1it was more than a year between 0.20 and 0.1902:26
tgm4883yea i figured that much, but was looking for an educated guess, based on what they want to accomplish for .21, and how far they have come since .2002:28
tgm4883a ball park figure like 2008 or Q4 0702:28
superm1the easiest way to gauge is by looking at the number of open tickets,  http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/roadmap02:30
superm1which the number is coming down, so unless that jumps up again, i'd say end of this year02:30
tgm4883nice02:31
superm1tgm4883, what did you think of the interface for mythbuntu in terms of installation02:35
superm1were the idesk icons weird?02:35
superm1or good or bad02:35
superm1or what02:35
tgm4883the icons were fine, was a little weird having icons for items that weren't installed though02:41
tgm4883two icons also were in the same spot02:42
superm1oh in the resultant session02:42
superm1the Administration session02:42
tgm4883yea02:43
tgm4883i never did login as the mythtv user02:43
superm1yea that should be fixed in todays build02:43
superm1i was just trying to think of something that would handle administration tasks for a user02:43
superm1as needed02:43
superm1and thought that would do the trick02:43
superm1without them requiring command line02:43
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rogue780|laptophowdy all. that was weird...I CTRL+ALT+BACKSPACEed and my computer restarted02:52
rogue780|laptopwell I'm off03:20
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superm1keescook, ping?06:59
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fstxany users in Sweden? I have problems with mythfilldatabase/tv_grab_se_swedb10:45
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DaveMorrissomeone gonna set a topic?11:01
DaveMorrisanyone around?11:05
fstxI seem to be the only one here. Why set a topic, and how?11:07
DaveMorrisyou need to be an op11:08
DaveMorrisjust the general stuff, like pastebin/chanels logged/ what we are here for11:08
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DaveMorrisHi all, I have the build script for mythbuntu, trying to make a amd64 build, but I'm missing these files, do you know where I can get them from? ISOTMP - background_setup.xpm - background_install.xpm - mythbuntu-install-script11:30
DaveMorrismy blog is getting a few mythtv hits :)11:35
DavieyDaveMorris, try bzr co http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mythtv/mythbuntu/devel11:36
DaveMorrischeers11:37
Davieywarning... not totally up to date11:37
Davieybuy has isotmp et al11:37
Davieybuy = but11:37
DaveMorrissounds good11:37
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Davieyactually DaveMorris - superm1 updated the changes11:44
DaveMorriscool, btw who do I submit a patch to for the build script?11:45
Davieyyou can't atm11:46
Davieyyou'll need to apply to join the ubuntu mythtv maintainers11:46
DaveMorristhats to commit myself, who wants to sponsor me and sumit my patch for me11:47
Davieythen rather than using bzr http you need to use sftp://LAUNCHPAD_ID@bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mythtv/mythbuntu/devel11:47
DavieyDo you have something in mind?11:48
DaveMorrisI've jsut fixed small things, like using -p on mkdir11:48
DaveMorrisadd in some missing mkdir and fixed a arch issue, still not built and iso yet :)11:49
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DaveMorrisI'm behind a proxy, although my proxy is set in my apt.conf is it gonna be a problem running the mythbuntu_install.sh script?12:07
Davieycan't imagine there being a problem12:08
=== DaveMorris jsut over wrote my script :(
Daviey:)12:09
Davieyit was an initial version of that script that "sudo rm -rf /"  :)12:09
DaveMorrisdid it12:10
DaveMorrishaha12:10
DaveMorristhis best not12:10
DaveMorrisI'll lose my work at work12:10
Davieyrequired a full re-install12:10
Daviey*fixed* ow12:10
Davieynow12:10
Davieyif you have only made minor changes, feel free to email them to me & i'll commit them12:12
Davieyhow long did your check out take?12:12
DaveMorrisI wanna test it 1st12:12
Daviey:)12:12
DaveMorrishow long should it take to Retrieve the Release?  And does it show progress?12:13
Davieyhas bzr co finished?12:13
DaveMorristhat finshed ages ago, I'm running the script now12:13
Davieyahh12:13
Davieyno - script does't show progress12:14
Davieyhow powerful is your machine?12:14
Davieyanywhere between 30-60 mins12:14
DaveMorris AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 4400+12:14
Davieydid you change the mirror?12:14
DaveMorrisnope12:14
Davieywhat speed are you geeting?12:15
DaveMorrisno idea, its hanging on Starting normal Mythbuntu build initiated by 0 at Tue May  8 23:12:45 BST 200712:15
DaveMorrisI: Retrieving Release12:15
Davieycurrently set BASE_MIRROR.....12:15
DaveMorris BASE_MIRROR='http://mirror.cs.umn.edu/ubuntu/'12:15
Davieythat's superm1's university12:16
DaveMorrisI think the proxy is getting in the way12:16
Davieyyeah12:16
Davieyall that needs, is a repo12:17
Davieyi'll be gone for a few mis12:17
DavieyI need to go to bed now12:25
Davieyneed to be perky for my interview12:25
Davieyttfn12:25

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