[12:28] <Daviey> still lots of stuff we can strip out eh?
[12:30] <superm1> well there is still stuff that can be stripped out if we step back from the ubuntu-minimal and ubuntu-standard packages
[12:30] <superm1> guess we'll have to see how strapped for space we end up
[12:30] <DaveMorris> Daviey: If you get a job at smoothwall, make it easy to block subnets of continents (sp) so I don't have to c&p the subnets
[12:30] <Daviey> should be fine tbh - well below 650mb
[12:31] <Daviey> DaveMorris, :)
[12:31] <superm1> with all packages installed, we were sitting at 372 last local build i did
[12:31] <superm1> God, this is great :) Fetched 40.6MB in 10s (3838kB/s)
[12:31] <Daviey> superm1, that's faster than my LAN :)
[12:32] <DaveMorris> faster than my apt-cacher
[12:34] <Daviey> Fetched 80.7MB in 35s (2271kB/s)!!!!!
[12:34] <superm1> when said and done, i think we are going to end up with a metapackage called ubuntu-desktop
[12:34] <superm1> that will depend on everything necessary that is in here
[12:35] <superm1> because that will probably be the easiest way to interface with the installer
[12:35] <Daviey> let's make a meta-package that only includes ubuntu-desktop :)
[12:35] <superm1> er um mythbuntu-desktop
[12:35] <superm1> i was reading a forum post when typing that....
[12:41] <superm1> oh you know what.  i think i know what might have done it.
[12:41] <superm1> imbrando n is running apache and mysql-server on there isn't he?
[12:42] <superm1> well perhaps in that chroot it is trying to start another instance of mysql-server
[12:42] <superm1> whereas locally when i built - my laptop didnt have it on there
[12:42] <superm1> so it clearly cant bind to port 3306 when its already in use
[12:44] <DaveMorris> set it to bind to another port
[12:44] <superm1> well that makes fine sense during install, but then it needs to be set back before burning
[12:44] <DaveMorris> or change the other one
[12:44] <superm1> because doing things on nonstandard ports will sure complicate an installation, now wont it?
[12:45] <DaveMorris> yes, so change the port of the one installed on the server
[12:45] <DaveMorris> or swap the server to use postgreSQL
[12:46] <superm1> still i expect apache to have the same troubles?
[12:46] <superm1> just didnt let the build go that far in
[12:46] <DaveMorris> can we build the image on a home machine and then upload it each night?
[12:47] <superm1> well the idea is supposed to be that it will build quicker on there eventually
[12:47] <superm1> but yes we can do that if it comes down to it
[12:47] <DaveMorris> my backup machine hardly does anything
[12:48] <DaveMorris> just sits there all day and backs up svn repos adn databases once a day, and does an rsync with my desktops once a week
[12:48] <DaveMorris> it can easily build it and upload the iso every day
[12:48] <DaveMorris> although the upload will be slow
[12:48] <superm1> k, i'll keep that in mind.  decent bandwidth?
[12:48] <superm1> oh.
[12:48] <DaveMorris> DSL
[12:48] <DaveMorris> so about 28Kbps up
[12:48] <superm1> ick
[12:49] <superm1> hopefully wont have to resort to that
[12:50] <DaveMorris> about a 5 - 6 hr upload :(
[12:50] <DaveMorris> or I could setup a machine at work to do it
[12:50] <DaveMorris> my work = uni = superJanet
[12:50] <Daviey> superm1, if the machine was a little beefier we could run a vm
[12:51] <DaveMorris> but my work machine is Amd64 which may cause problems
[12:51] <Daviey> chroot to the resuce
[12:51] <superm1> well we will be doing both amd64 and x86 ideally
[12:51] <DaveMorris> of course it won't be a problem for doing amd64 iso's
[12:52] <superm1> but for now x86 will be fine, but yes chroot to the rescue
[12:52] <superm1> *most* of the process takes place in a chroot right now anyhow...... Daviey ;)
[12:52] <Daviey> "Setting up mysql-server-5.0 (5.0.38-0ubuntu1) " dum de dum
[12:52] <DaveMorris> if you give me a script I can have my desktop at work auto build the iso and upload to your server.  And e-mail us all if it failed
[12:53] <superm1> on the console it was launching:  * Stopping MySQL database server mysqld                                                                                       [ OK ] 
[12:53] <superm1>  * Starting MySQL database server mysqld                                                                                       [fail] 
[12:53] <superm1> invoke-rc.d: initscript mysql, action "start" failed.
[12:53] <superm1> dpkg: error processing mysql-server-5.0 (--configure):
[12:53] <superm1>  subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1
[12:53] <superm1> but not in the build log
[12:53] <superm1> so yet the same thing
[12:53] <DaveMorris> thinking about it I also have access to an i386 box
[12:53] <Daviey> hmm superm1 - i suggest changing pegasus standard
[12:53] <Daviey> only drupal uses it atm, right?
[12:54] <superm1> i think
[12:54] <superm1> . i hope
[12:54] <Daviey> infact.... lets try the build again with mysqld killed
[12:55] <superm1> see apache is so much nicer about this: Setting Apache2 not to start, as something else appears to be using Port 80. To allow apache2 to start, set NO_START to 0 in /etc/default/apache2. Apache2 has been set to listen on port 80 by default, so please edit /etc/apache2/ports.conf as desired. Note that the Port directive no longer works.
[12:55] <superm1> i'll stop it once it stops trying to install more packages for a moment
[12:55] <superm1> so we can pick back up at the same time
[12:56] <superm1> Daviey, know where the drupal setting for port is?
[12:56] <Daviey> nope
[12:58] <Daviey> is the latest build script in bzr?
[12:58] <Daviey> mysql down
[01:00] <superm1> just took it down
[01:00] <superm1> and trying it with it down
[01:01] <superm1> latest build script is in /var/cache/mythbuntu_iso/
[01:01] <superm1> yup that worked right
[01:01] <superm1> so we need to move the local mysql server to another port
[01:03] <Daviey> hmm.. what about apache tho
[01:04] <superm1> apache seems to continue on
[01:05] <superm1> and not complain too much
[01:05] <Daviey> can i bring mysqld back up?
[01:05] <superm1> just did
[01:05] <superm1> on port 3307
[01:05] <superm1> looks like drupal just needed /var/www/sites/default/settings.php all changed
[01:05] <superm1> to add a port number
[01:07] <Daviey> was looking through interface - coudn't find anything
[01:08] <Daviey> seem logical for it not to be part of interface tho - if you can see the interface - your connected
[01:09] <superm1> :)
[01:10] <superm1> so i realized too, that mysql will be running after the build process starts, so at the end of the build script, i added a call to stop it
[01:10] <superm1> i noticed that both it and apache were running from a chroot on my box :)
[01:10] <superm1> keescook, ping?
[01:11] <rogue780|laptop> superm1, Daviey , you'll be getting mail in a few minutes
[01:12] <rogue780|laptop> I've sent it...no saying when you'll get it
[01:12] <Daviey> rogue780|laptop, cheers - i was just gonna go to bed; but now i'll wait
[01:12] <Daviey> can you guys work on gmt timezone?
[01:12] <Daviey> that would make things better for me
[01:13] <Daviey> :P
[01:13] <rogue780|laptop> they're concepts...different coloring on one...tell me what you like and I'll develop something based on your input...call it evolution based artwork if you will
[01:13] <rogue780|laptop> Daviey, I work in zulu time...that close enough?
[01:13] <Daviey> my zulu or yours?
[01:13] <Daviey> :)
[01:13] <rogue780|laptop> GMT with now daylight savings time
[01:14] <rogue780|laptop> :)
[01:14] <rogue780|laptop> (:
[01:14] <Daviey> rogue780|laptop, you come from a military background?
[01:15] <rogue780|laptop> I'm in the US Air Force for another 3 years
[01:15] <rogue780|laptop> then I'm gettin' out
[01:16] <DaveMorris> rogue780| so BST then
[01:16] <rogue780|laptop> Bull **** Time?
[01:16] <Daviey> Brit summer time
[01:16] <rogue780|laptop> ah
[01:16] <superm1> Daviey, i'm awake all day
[01:16] <superm1> you've caught me at least 18 different hours of the day :0
[01:17] <Daviey> hehe
[01:25] <superm1> rogue780|laptop, i'm between 1 and 2
[01:25] <superm1> not much of a fan of 3
[01:25] <Daviey> superm1, just had a though
[01:25] <Daviey> t
[01:26] <Daviey> the mythbuntu usplash - isn't that arch = any?
[01:26] <superm1> rogue780|laptop, and its a tough decision between 1 and 2.
[01:26] <superm1> yes
[01:26] <superm1> so it can be built for amd64, ppc, sparc, arm, anything
[01:27] <Daviey> image 1: +1
[01:27] <Daviey> currently it's i386
[01:27] <Daviey> should be any - surely?
[01:27] <superm1> well arch=any means it "can" be built for anything
[01:27] <superm1> arch=all means that one binary works on all
[01:27] <rogue780|laptop> I've got a fourth
[01:28] <superm1> is it 1.5?
[01:28] <superm1> because i'm literally half way between 1 and 2
[01:28] <rogue780|laptop> might give 1 and 2 competition...the 3rd one was a concept idea....I'll explain more in another one I think.
[01:28] <Daviey> i mean - the compile should work on any - right?
[01:29] <DaveMorris> Daviey: should do
[01:29] <DaveMorris> can but try
[01:29] <Daviey> :( mythbuntu-artwork-usplash_0.1_i386.deb
[01:29] <superm1> the compile should work on any yes
[01:30] <superm1> so if you take that source package and do it on amd64
[01:30] <superm1> things will work out as expected
[01:30] <DaveMorris> can he compile for amd64 on i386 is what his asking I think
[01:31] <Daviey> what i was really asking is - for something such as this, does it need a specifc architecture build?
[01:31] <Daviey> or can the .deb be 'any'?
[01:31] <rogue780|laptop> Daviey, superm1 ygm
[01:32] <rogue780|laptop> or ywgm
[01:32] <DaveMorris> ywgm?
[01:32] <rogue780|laptop> you will get mail
[01:32] <Daviey> you w****** got mail?
[01:32] <DaveMorris> ahh
[01:32] <superm1> oh it needs to be architecture specific builds
[01:32] <rogue780|laptop> for those of you with ubuntuwire
[01:33] <Daviey> rogue780|laptop, nice effort - but it's loosing it's 'buzz'
[01:33] <superm1> there is a source file in it that gets compiled for that particular architecture
[01:33] <Daviey> ah.. good point
[01:34] <Daviey> the C file
[01:34] <superm1> are both attachments identical?
[01:34] <DaveMorris> https://launchpad.net/~mythbuntu/bzr link from http://www.mythbuntu.org/node/4 is broken btw
[01:34] <Daviey> rogue780|laptop, if you could make it darker - i do like the effect
[01:34] <Daviey> with the white light
[01:34] <superm1> thanks DaveMorris
[01:35] <rogue780|laptop> superm1, eh? mythbuntu4.xcf.tar.gz is another idea
[01:35] <superm1> we dont have that branch finalized still because we need to migrate
[01:35] <superm1> i havent downloaded yet
[01:35] <superm1> just swa the two
[01:35] <rogue780|laptop> Daviey, so no blue? kind of a silvery look?
[01:35] <Daviey> darker blue
[01:35] <Daviey> it's quite pale atm
[01:35] <superm1> i do like the idea of 4, but agree with Daviey
[01:35] <superm1> i see where you are going with it
[01:35] <rogue780|laptop> darker blue. got it
[01:36] <DaveMorris> is someone gonna create a mythbuntu myththeme?
[01:36] <Daviey> haha
[01:36] <Daviey> DaveMorris, well voluntered
[01:36] <superm1> that would make sense, wouldnt it
[01:36] <DaveMorris> Daviey: I don't have a clue how to do it, and my artistic skills suck
[01:37] <Daviey> DaveMorris, me 2!
[01:37] <Daviey> DaveMorris, if you do feel like trying to - might be an idea to speak with juski in #mythtv-users
[01:37] <Daviey> he has made some nice themes
[01:37] <Daviey> http://www.juski.co.uk/
[01:38] <superm1> he has made some really really sweet themes
[01:38] <superm1> i am in love with blootube lately
[01:38] <DaveMorris> could we ask him to make a mythbuntu one if he is feeling bored
[01:38] <Daviey> sweet.... if memory hungry :)
[01:38] <DaveMorris> I currently use lulius
[01:38] <Daviey> superm1, i had to give up on blootube-wide as it wanted more ram
[01:38] <superm1> well i've got a gig of ram in my box
[01:38] <superm1> it does run pretty heavy though your righ
[01:38] <Daviey> i had a gig - but took out 512 for my server
[01:39] <Daviey> DaveMorris, might be worth a try
[01:39] <rogue780|laptop> when did geocities stop being free?
[01:39] <DaveMorris> my hardware is seriously under powered
[01:40] <DaveMorris> couldn't we just edit the default mythtv themes anre replace mythtv with mythbuntu TV
[01:41] <Daviey> good thinking - they are all gpl'd
[01:41] <Daviey> (all official)
[01:41] <superm1> DaveMorris, the new iso is done
[01:41] <superm1> if you want to grab it
[01:41] <superm1> it replaced the old one (since today is still 050707 here)
[01:42] <Daviey> Anybody played with knoppmyth recently?
[01:42] <Daviey> (or for the last year)?
[01:42] <superm1> Daviey, blasphemy :)
[01:42] <Daviey> good thinking!
[01:42] <superm1> But no i haven't
[01:42] <superm1> night DaveMorris
[01:42] <Daviey> superm1, hehe - they have added extra menu's - maintaince style
[01:42] <Daviey> like "backup settings"
[01:42] <Daviey> and "restore settings"
[01:43] <superm1> thats pretty useful for them to do
[01:43] <rogue780|laptop> http://68.49.53.29/mythbuntu5.png
[01:43] <Daviey> we shouldn't need that quite so much as it's a constant upgrade
[01:43] <rogue780|laptop> figured this might be faster
[01:43] <superm1> considering our automatic mysql backups, sholudnt be too bad for us to do
[01:44] <Daviey> knoppmyth insist on a fresh install after each release
[01:44] <superm1> oh thats why
[01:44] <superm1> i see
[01:44] <superm1> ah i like rogue780|laptop
[01:45] <Daviey> that's much better
[01:45] <Daviey> any chance you can try one shade darker for comparision?
[01:45] <rogue780|laptop> sure
[01:45] <Daviey> anyway... i *really* need sleep
[01:45] <Daviey> rogue780|laptop, good work
[01:46] <superm1> Night Daviey :)
[01:46] <Daviey> be back tomorrow - today - bah 10 hours i expect
[01:47] <rogue780|laptop> http://68.49.53.29/mythbuntu6.png
[01:48] <rogue780|laptop> darker still?
[01:48] <superm1> i think 5 is good darkness
[01:48] <superm1> 6 is very subtle
[01:50] <rogue780|laptop> try 7
[01:51] <rogue780|laptop> more contrast
[01:51] <rogue780|laptop> I don't like it
[01:51] <rogue780|laptop> so nevermind
[01:52] <rogue780|laptop> so 5 is good?
[01:54] <superm1> 7 is loading really slow...
[01:54] <superm1> let you know when it come up
[01:54] <rogue780|laptop> alrighty. gotta love cable--13mbit down...super slow up
[01:54] <tgm4883> im not a fan of 7
[01:54] <tgm4883> 5 looks good though
[01:55] <rogue780|laptop> yeah i didn't like 7 too much once i saw it full size
[01:55] <rogue780|laptop> ok
[01:55] <tgm4883> maybe somewhere between 5 and 7 is great, but 5 is the best right now
[01:56] <rogue780|laptop> superm1, tgm4883 if you go to my root address can you access my mythweb?
[01:56] <superm1> 5 is the best right now
[01:56] <superm1> yes i can
[01:56] <tgm4883> yep
[01:56] <superm1> you might want to put a htaccess file there..
[01:56] <rogue780|laptop> :\
[01:56] <superm1> and for the phpmyadmin as well
[01:57] <rogue780|laptop> I'll have to look into htaccess never done one before
[01:57] <rogue780|laptop> lol
[01:57] <superm1> your CPU is 34C right now.  and you have 13 days of guide data
[01:57] <superm1> tgm4883, the disk that was just bulit a few minutes ago is more useful now
[01:58] <superm1> it will install into a backend/frontend
[01:58] <superm1> and launch mythtv-setup upon reboot
[01:59] <tgm4883> nice
[01:59] <tgm4883> um
[02:03] <tgm4883> rogue780|laptop, you got pm
[02:03] <rogue780|laptop> http://68.49.53.29/mythbuntu8.png
[02:03] <rogue780|laptop> tgm4883, i have issues with pm's on freenode
[02:03] <tgm4883> ah
[02:03] <tgm4883> well
[02:03] <tgm4883> you need to set some security up on your box
[02:04] <tgm4883> let me check something
[02:04] <rogue780|laptop> and I have security. normally I don't have any open ports at all...I just opened it up to show ya'll what I've done w/o having to send e-mails
[02:04] <tgm4883> ah
[02:04] <superm1> 8 looks very good
[02:05] <rogue780|laptop> so are we agreed on a double gradient instead of a single one?
[02:05] <superm1> yes
[02:06] <tgm4883> 8 looks great
[02:06] <superm1> rogue780|laptop, if you do decide to leave port 80 open, you will want to add a mysql password.  its a two step process if your interested
[02:06] <superm1> sudo dpkg-reconfigure mysql-server-5.0 followed by sudo dpkg-reconfigure mythtv-database
[02:07] <superm1> either that or remove phpmyadmin or add htaccess files
[02:07] <rogue780|laptop> naw I'm gonna close it off now actually...gotta clean the carpet on the other half of the room. but I will add some security
[02:07] <superm1> ah okay
[02:07] <superm1> good good
[02:07] <superm1> just dont want to see someone take your box hostage
[02:07] <superm1> but 8 looks great
[02:08] <rogue780|laptop> and it's closed
[02:08] <tgm4883> mythweb rocks
[02:08] <rogue780|laptop> ok. I'll work on making a final product based off of 8 and I'll send it to you in the morning
[02:08] <superm1> sweet okay.  then i'll have the licensing ready by tomorrow
[02:08] <superm1> to resubmit with it
[02:09] <superm1> can you do the same thing where you gave me the 3 different sizes again
[02:09] <superm1> and i'll get the 1360x768 made too
[02:10] <rogue780|laptop> yeah
[02:17] <superm1> i'll make these into default backgrounds for mythbuntu installer as well
[02:17] <superm1> rather than the centered mythbuntu logo
[02:17] <superm1> *centered mythtv logo
[02:22] <tgm4883> do we know roughly when .21 will be released?
[02:25] <superm1> there is unfortunately never an eta with the way myth works
[02:25] <superm1> its always "when its done"
[02:26] <superm1> it was more than a year between 0.20 and 0.19
[02:28] <tgm4883> yea i figured that much, but was looking for an educated guess, based on what they want to accomplish for .21, and how far they have come since .20
[02:28] <tgm4883> a ball park figure like 2008 or Q4 07
[02:30] <superm1> the easiest way to gauge is by looking at the number of open tickets,  http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/roadmap
[02:30] <superm1> which the number is coming down, so unless that jumps up again, i'd say end of this year
[02:31] <tgm4883> nice
[02:35] <superm1> tgm4883, what did you think of the interface for mythbuntu in terms of installation
[02:35] <superm1> were the idesk icons weird?
[02:35] <superm1> or good or bad
[02:35] <superm1> or what
[02:41] <tgm4883> the icons were fine, was a little weird having icons for items that weren't installed though
[02:42] <tgm4883> two icons also were in the same spot
[02:42] <superm1> oh in the resultant session
[02:42] <superm1> the Administration session
[02:43] <tgm4883> yea
[02:43] <tgm4883> i never did login as the mythtv user
[02:43] <superm1> yea that should be fixed in todays build
[02:43] <superm1> i was just trying to think of something that would handle administration tasks for a user
[02:43] <superm1> as needed
[02:43] <superm1> and thought that would do the trick
[02:43] <superm1> without them requiring command line
[02:52] <rogue780|laptop> howdy all. that was weird...I CTRL+ALT+BACKSPACEed and my computer restarted
[03:20] <rogue780|laptop> well I'm off
[06:59] <superm1> keescook, ping?
[10:45] <fstx> any users in Sweden? I have problems with mythfilldatabase/tv_grab_se_swedb
[11:01] <DaveMorris> someone gonna set a topic?
[11:05] <DaveMorris> anyone around?
[11:07] <fstx> I seem to be the only one here. Why set a topic, and how?
[11:08] <DaveMorris> you need to be an op
[11:08] <DaveMorris> just the general stuff, like pastebin/chanels logged/ what we are here for
[11:30] <DaveMorris> Hi all, I have the build script for mythbuntu, trying to make a amd64 build, but I'm missing these files, do you know where I can get them from? ISOTMP - background_setup.xpm - background_install.xpm - mythbuntu-install-script
[11:35] <DaveMorris> my blog is getting a few mythtv hits :)
[11:36] <Daviey> DaveMorris, try bzr co http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mythtv/mythbuntu/devel
[11:37] <DaveMorris> cheers
[11:37] <Daviey> warning... not totally up to date
[11:37] <Daviey> buy has isotmp et al
[11:37] <Daviey> buy = but
[11:37] <DaveMorris> sounds good
[11:44] <Daviey> actually DaveMorris - superm1 updated the changes
[11:45] <DaveMorris> cool, btw who do I submit a patch to for the build script?
[11:46] <Daviey> you can't atm
[11:46] <Daviey> you'll need to apply to join the ubuntu mythtv maintainers
[11:47] <DaveMorris> thats to commit myself, who wants to sponsor me and sumit my patch for me
[11:47] <Daviey> then rather than using bzr http you need to use sftp://LAUNCHPAD_ID@bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mythtv/mythbuntu/devel
[11:48] <Daviey> Do you have something in mind?
[11:48] <DaveMorris> I've jsut fixed small things, like using -p on mkdir
[11:49] <DaveMorris> add in some missing mkdir and fixed a arch issue, still not built and iso yet :)
[12:07] <DaveMorris> I'm behind a proxy, although my proxy is set in my apt.conf is it gonna be a problem running the mythbuntu_install.sh script?
[12:08] <Daviey> can't imagine there being a problem
[12:09] <Daviey> :)
[12:09] <Daviey> it was an initial version of that script that "sudo rm -rf /"  :)
[12:10] <DaveMorris> did it
[12:10] <DaveMorris> haha
[12:10] <DaveMorris> this best not
[12:10] <DaveMorris> I'll lose my work at work
[12:10] <Daviey> required a full re-install
[12:10] <Daviey> *fixed* ow
[12:10] <Daviey> now
[12:12] <Daviey> if you have only made minor changes, feel free to email them to me & i'll commit them
[12:12] <Daviey> how long did your check out take?
[12:12] <DaveMorris> I wanna test it 1st
[12:12] <Daviey> :)
[12:13] <DaveMorris> how long should it take to Retrieve the Release?  And does it show progress?
[12:13] <Daviey> has bzr co finished?
[12:13] <DaveMorris> that finshed ages ago, I'm running the script now
[12:13] <Daviey> ahh
[12:14] <Daviey> no - script does't show progress
[12:14] <Daviey> how powerful is your machine?
[12:14] <Daviey> anywhere between 30-60 mins
[12:14] <DaveMorris>  AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 4400+
[12:14] <Daviey> did you change the mirror?
[12:14] <DaveMorris> nope
[12:15] <Daviey> what speed are you geeting?
[12:15] <DaveMorris> no idea, its hanging on Starting normal Mythbuntu build initiated by 0 at Tue May  8 23:12:45 BST 2007
[12:15] <DaveMorris> I: Retrieving Release
[12:15] <Daviey> currently set BASE_MIRROR.....
[12:15] <DaveMorris>  BASE_MIRROR='http://mirror.cs.umn.edu/ubuntu/'
[12:16] <Daviey> that's superm1's university
[12:16] <DaveMorris> I think the proxy is getting in the way
[12:16] <Daviey> yeah
[12:17] <Daviey> all that needs, is a repo
[12:17] <Daviey> i'll be gone for a few mis
[12:25] <Daviey> I need to go to bed now
[12:25] <Daviey> need to be perky for my interview
[12:25] <Daviey> ttfn