[12:28] still lots of stuff we can strip out eh? [12:30] well there is still stuff that can be stripped out if we step back from the ubuntu-minimal and ubuntu-standard packages [12:30] guess we'll have to see how strapped for space we end up [12:30] Daviey: If you get a job at smoothwall, make it easy to block subnets of continents (sp) so I don't have to c&p the subnets [12:30] should be fine tbh - well below 650mb [12:31] DaveMorris, :) [12:31] with all packages installed, we were sitting at 372 last local build i did [12:31] God, this is great :) Fetched 40.6MB in 10s (3838kB/s) [12:31] superm1, that's faster than my LAN :) [12:32] faster than my apt-cacher [12:34] Fetched 80.7MB in 35s (2271kB/s)!!!!! [12:34] when said and done, i think we are going to end up with a metapackage called ubuntu-desktop [12:34] that will depend on everything necessary that is in here [12:35] because that will probably be the easiest way to interface with the installer [12:35] let's make a meta-package that only includes ubuntu-desktop :) [12:35] er um mythbuntu-desktop [12:35] i was reading a forum post when typing that.... [12:41] oh you know what. i think i know what might have done it. [12:41] imbrando n is running apache and mysql-server on there isn't he? [12:42] well perhaps in that chroot it is trying to start another instance of mysql-server [12:42] whereas locally when i built - my laptop didnt have it on there [12:42] so it clearly cant bind to port 3306 when its already in use [12:44] set it to bind to another port [12:44] well that makes fine sense during install, but then it needs to be set back before burning [12:44] or change the other one [12:44] because doing things on nonstandard ports will sure complicate an installation, now wont it? [12:45] yes, so change the port of the one installed on the server [12:45] or swap the server to use postgreSQL [12:46] still i expect apache to have the same troubles? [12:46] just didnt let the build go that far in [12:46] can we build the image on a home machine and then upload it each night? [12:47] well the idea is supposed to be that it will build quicker on there eventually [12:47] but yes we can do that if it comes down to it [12:47] my backup machine hardly does anything [12:48] just sits there all day and backs up svn repos adn databases once a day, and does an rsync with my desktops once a week [12:48] it can easily build it and upload the iso every day [12:48] although the upload will be slow [12:48] k, i'll keep that in mind. decent bandwidth? [12:48] oh. [12:48] DSL [12:48] so about 28Kbps up [12:48] ick [12:49] hopefully wont have to resort to that [12:50] about a 5 - 6 hr upload :( [12:50] or I could setup a machine at work to do it [12:50] my work = uni = superJanet [12:50] superm1, if the machine was a little beefier we could run a vm [12:51] but my work machine is Amd64 which may cause problems [12:51] chroot to the resuce [12:51] well we will be doing both amd64 and x86 ideally [12:51] of course it won't be a problem for doing amd64 iso's [12:52] but for now x86 will be fine, but yes chroot to the rescue [12:52] *most* of the process takes place in a chroot right now anyhow...... Daviey ;) [12:52] "Setting up mysql-server-5.0 (5.0.38-0ubuntu1) " dum de dum [12:52] if you give me a script I can have my desktop at work auto build the iso and upload to your server. And e-mail us all if it failed [12:53] on the console it was launching: * Stopping MySQL database server mysqld [ OK ] [12:53] * Starting MySQL database server mysqld [fail] [12:53] invoke-rc.d: initscript mysql, action "start" failed. [12:53] dpkg: error processing mysql-server-5.0 (--configure): [12:53] subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1 [12:53] but not in the build log [12:53] so yet the same thing [12:53] thinking about it I also have access to an i386 box [12:53] hmm superm1 - i suggest changing pegasus standard [12:53] only drupal uses it atm, right? [12:54] i think [12:54] . i hope [12:54] infact.... lets try the build again with mysqld killed === defendguin_ [n=supertux@cpe-72-181-7-135.houston.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [12:55] see apache is so much nicer about this: Setting Apache2 not to start, as something else appears to be using Port 80. To allow apache2 to start, set NO_START to 0 in /etc/default/apache2. Apache2 has been set to listen on port 80 by default, so please edit /etc/apache2/ports.conf as desired. Note that the Port directive no longer works. [12:55] i'll stop it once it stops trying to install more packages for a moment [12:55] so we can pick back up at the same time [12:56] Daviey, know where the drupal setting for port is? [12:56] nope [12:58] is the latest build script in bzr? [12:58] mysql down [01:00] just took it down [01:00] and trying it with it down [01:01] latest build script is in /var/cache/mythbuntu_iso/ [01:01] yup that worked right [01:01] so we need to move the local mysql server to another port [01:03] hmm.. what about apache tho [01:04] apache seems to continue on [01:05] and not complain too much [01:05] can i bring mysqld back up? [01:05] just did [01:05] on port 3307 [01:05] looks like drupal just needed /var/www/sites/default/settings.php all changed [01:05] to add a port number [01:07] was looking through interface - coudn't find anything [01:08] seem logical for it not to be part of interface tho - if you can see the interface - your connected [01:09] :) [01:10] so i realized too, that mysql will be running after the build process starts, so at the end of the build script, i added a call to stop it [01:10] i noticed that both it and apache were running from a chroot on my box :) [01:10] keescook, ping? [01:11] superm1, Daviey , you'll be getting mail in a few minutes [01:12] I've sent it...no saying when you'll get it [01:12] rogue780|laptop, cheers - i was just gonna go to bed; but now i'll wait [01:12] can you guys work on gmt timezone? [01:12] that would make things better for me [01:13] :P [01:13] they're concepts...different coloring on one...tell me what you like and I'll develop something based on your input...call it evolution based artwork if you will [01:13] Daviey, I work in zulu time...that close enough? [01:13] my zulu or yours? [01:13] :) [01:13] GMT with now daylight savings time [01:14] :) [01:14] (: [01:14] rogue780|laptop, you come from a military background? [01:15] I'm in the US Air Force for another 3 years [01:15] then I'm gettin' out [01:16] rogue780| so BST then [01:16] Bull **** Time? [01:16] Brit summer time [01:16] ah [01:16] Daviey, i'm awake all day [01:16] you've caught me at least 18 different hours of the day :0 [01:17] hehe [01:25] rogue780|laptop, i'm between 1 and 2 [01:25] not much of a fan of 3 [01:25] superm1, just had a though [01:25] t [01:26] the mythbuntu usplash - isn't that arch = any? [01:26] rogue780|laptop, and its a tough decision between 1 and 2. [01:26] yes [01:26] so it can be built for amd64, ppc, sparc, arm, anything [01:27] image 1: +1 [01:27] currently it's i386 [01:27] should be any - surely? [01:27] well arch=any means it "can" be built for anything [01:27] arch=all means that one binary works on all [01:27] I've got a fourth [01:28] is it 1.5? [01:28] because i'm literally half way between 1 and 2 [01:28] might give 1 and 2 competition...the 3rd one was a concept idea....I'll explain more in another one I think. [01:28] i mean - the compile should work on any - right? [01:29] Daviey: should do [01:29] can but try [01:29] :( mythbuntu-artwork-usplash_0.1_i386.deb [01:29] the compile should work on any yes [01:30] so if you take that source package and do it on amd64 [01:30] things will work out as expected [01:30] can he compile for amd64 on i386 is what his asking I think [01:31] what i was really asking is - for something such as this, does it need a specifc architecture build? [01:31] or can the .deb be 'any'? [01:31] Daviey, superm1 ygm [01:32] or ywgm [01:32] ywgm? [01:32] you will get mail [01:32] you w****** got mail? [01:32] ahh [01:32] oh it needs to be architecture specific builds [01:32] for those of you with ubuntuwire [01:33] rogue780|laptop, nice effort - but it's loosing it's 'buzz' [01:33] there is a source file in it that gets compiled for that particular architecture [01:33] ah.. good point [01:34] the C file [01:34] are both attachments identical? [01:34] https://launchpad.net/~mythbuntu/bzr link from http://www.mythbuntu.org/node/4 is broken btw [01:34] rogue780|laptop, if you could make it darker - i do like the effect [01:34] with the white light [01:34] thanks DaveMorris [01:35] superm1, eh? mythbuntu4.xcf.tar.gz is another idea [01:35] we dont have that branch finalized still because we need to migrate [01:35] i havent downloaded yet [01:35] just swa the two [01:35] Daviey, so no blue? kind of a silvery look? [01:35] darker blue [01:35] it's quite pale atm [01:35] i do like the idea of 4, but agree with Daviey [01:35] i see where you are going with it [01:35] darker blue. got it [01:36] is someone gonna create a mythbuntu myththeme? [01:36] haha [01:36] DaveMorris, well voluntered [01:36] that would make sense, wouldnt it [01:36] Daviey: I don't have a clue how to do it, and my artistic skills suck [01:37] DaveMorris, me 2! [01:37] DaveMorris, if you do feel like trying to - might be an idea to speak with juski in #mythtv-users [01:37] he has made some nice themes [01:37] http://www.juski.co.uk/ [01:38] he has made some really really sweet themes [01:38] i am in love with blootube lately [01:38] could we ask him to make a mythbuntu one if he is feeling bored [01:38] sweet.... if memory hungry :) [01:38] I currently use lulius [01:38] superm1, i had to give up on blootube-wide as it wanted more ram [01:38] well i've got a gig of ram in my box [01:38] it does run pretty heavy though your righ [01:38] i had a gig - but took out 512 for my server [01:39] DaveMorris, might be worth a try [01:39] when did geocities stop being free? [01:39] my hardware is seriously under powered [01:40] couldn't we just edit the default mythtv themes anre replace mythtv with mythbuntu TV [01:41] good thinking - they are all gpl'd [01:41] (all official) [01:41] DaveMorris, the new iso is done [01:41] if you want to grab it [01:41] it replaced the old one (since today is still 050707 here) [01:42] Anybody played with knoppmyth recently? [01:42] (or for the last year)? === DaveMorris off to bed, got work in the morning [01:42] Daviey, blasphemy :) [01:42] good thinking! [01:42] But no i haven't [01:42] night DaveMorris [01:42] superm1, hehe - they have added extra menu's - maintaince style [01:42] like "backup settings" [01:42] and "restore settings" [01:43] thats pretty useful for them to do [01:43] http://68.49.53.29/mythbuntu5.png [01:43] we shouldn't need that quite so much as it's a constant upgrade [01:43] figured this might be faster [01:43] considering our automatic mysql backups, sholudnt be too bad for us to do [01:44] knoppmyth insist on a fresh install after each release [01:44] oh thats why [01:44] i see [01:44] ah i like rogue780|laptop === Daviey remembering what dialup was like [01:45] that's much better [01:45] any chance you can try one shade darker for comparision? [01:45] sure [01:45] anyway... i *really* need sleep [01:45] rogue780|laptop, good work [01:46] Night Daviey :) [01:46] be back tomorrow - today - bah 10 hours i expect [01:47] http://68.49.53.29/mythbuntu6.png [01:48] darker still? [01:48] i think 5 is good darkness [01:48] 6 is very subtle [01:50] try 7 [01:51] more contrast [01:51] I don't like it [01:51] so nevermind [01:52] so 5 is good? [01:54] 7 is loading really slow... [01:54] let you know when it come up [01:54] alrighty. gotta love cable--13mbit down...super slow up [01:54] im not a fan of 7 [01:54] 5 looks good though [01:55] yeah i didn't like 7 too much once i saw it full size [01:55] ok [01:55] maybe somewhere between 5 and 7 is great, but 5 is the best right now [01:56] superm1, tgm4883 if you go to my root address can you access my mythweb? [01:56] 5 is the best right now [01:56] yes i can [01:56] yep [01:56] you might want to put a htaccess file there.. [01:56] :\ [01:56] and for the phpmyadmin as well === tgm4883 loves mythbusters [01:57] I'll have to look into htaccess never done one before [01:57] lol [01:57] your CPU is 34C right now. and you have 13 days of guide data [01:57] tgm4883, the disk that was just bulit a few minutes ago is more useful now [01:58] it will install into a backend/frontend [01:58] and launch mythtv-setup upon reboot [01:59] nice [01:59] um [02:03] rogue780|laptop, you got pm [02:03] http://68.49.53.29/mythbuntu8.png [02:03] tgm4883, i have issues with pm's on freenode [02:03] ah [02:03] well [02:03] you need to set some security up on your box [02:04] let me check something [02:04] and I have security. normally I don't have any open ports at all...I just opened it up to show ya'll what I've done w/o having to send e-mails [02:04] ah [02:04] 8 looks very good [02:05] so are we agreed on a double gradient instead of a single one? [02:05] yes [02:06] 8 looks great [02:06] rogue780|laptop, if you do decide to leave port 80 open, you will want to add a mysql password. its a two step process if your interested [02:06] sudo dpkg-reconfigure mysql-server-5.0 followed by sudo dpkg-reconfigure mythtv-database [02:07] either that or remove phpmyadmin or add htaccess files [02:07] naw I'm gonna close it off now actually...gotta clean the carpet on the other half of the room. but I will add some security [02:07] ah okay [02:07] good good [02:07] just dont want to see someone take your box hostage [02:07] but 8 looks great [02:08] and it's closed [02:08] mythweb rocks [02:08] ok. I'll work on making a final product based off of 8 and I'll send it to you in the morning [02:08] sweet okay. then i'll have the licensing ready by tomorrow [02:08] to resubmit with it [02:09] can you do the same thing where you gave me the 3 different sizes again [02:09] and i'll get the 1360x768 made too [02:10] yeah [02:17] i'll make these into default backgrounds for mythbuntu installer as well [02:17] rather than the centered mythbuntu logo [02:17] *centered mythtv logo [02:22] do we know roughly when .21 will be released? [02:25] there is unfortunately never an eta with the way myth works [02:25] its always "when its done" [02:26] it was more than a year between 0.20 and 0.19 [02:28] yea i figured that much, but was looking for an educated guess, based on what they want to accomplish for .21, and how far they have come since .20 [02:28] a ball park figure like 2008 or Q4 07 [02:30] the easiest way to gauge is by looking at the number of open tickets, http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/roadmap [02:30] which the number is coming down, so unless that jumps up again, i'd say end of this year [02:31] nice [02:35] tgm4883, what did you think of the interface for mythbuntu in terms of installation [02:35] were the idesk icons weird? 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I have problems with mythfilldatabase/tv_grab_se_swedb === DaveMorris [n=dave@host-212-158-244-26.bulldogdsl.com] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [11:01] someone gonna set a topic? [11:05] anyone around? [11:07] I seem to be the only one here. Why set a topic, and how? [11:08] you need to be an op [11:08] just the general stuff, like pastebin/chanels logged/ what we are here for === MegaQuark__ [n=gary@pool-71-111-176-187.ptldor.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [11:30] Hi all, I have the build script for mythbuntu, trying to make a amd64 build, but I'm missing these files, do you know where I can get them from? ISOTMP - background_setup.xpm - background_install.xpm - mythbuntu-install-script [11:35] my blog is getting a few mythtv hits :) [11:36] DaveMorris, try bzr co http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mythtv/mythbuntu/devel [11:37] cheers [11:37] warning... not totally up to date [11:37] buy has isotmp et al [11:37] buy = but [11:37] sounds good === MegaQuark_ [n=gary@pool-71-111-176-187.ptldor.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [11:44] actually DaveMorris - superm1 updated the changes [11:45] cool, btw who do I submit a patch to for the build script? [11:46] you can't atm [11:46] you'll need to apply to join the ubuntu mythtv maintainers [11:47] thats to commit myself, who wants to sponsor me and sumit my patch for me [11:47] then rather than using bzr http you need to use sftp://LAUNCHPAD_ID@bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mythtv/mythbuntu/devel [11:48] Do you have something in mind? [11:48] I've jsut fixed small things, like using -p on mkdir [11:49] add in some missing mkdir and fixed a arch issue, still not built and iso yet :) === MegaQuark__ [n=gary@pool-71-111-176-187.ptldor.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === tgm4883_ is now known as tgm4883 [12:07] I'm behind a proxy, although my proxy is set in my apt.conf is it gonna be a problem running the mythbuntu_install.sh script? [12:08] can't imagine there being a problem === DaveMorris jsut over wrote my script :( [12:09] :) [12:09] it was an initial version of that script that "sudo rm -rf /" :) [12:10] did it [12:10] haha [12:10] this best not [12:10] I'll lose my work at work [12:10] required a full re-install [12:10] *fixed* ow [12:10] now [12:12] if you have only made minor changes, feel free to email them to me & i'll commit them [12:12] how long did your check out take? [12:12] I wanna test it 1st [12:12] :) [12:13] how long should it take to Retrieve the Release? And does it show progress? [12:13] has bzr co finished? [12:13] that finshed ages ago, I'm running the script now [12:13] ahh [12:14] no - script does't show progress [12:14] how powerful is your machine? [12:14] anywhere between 30-60 mins [12:14] AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 4400+ [12:14] did you change the mirror? [12:14] nope [12:15] what speed are you geeting? [12:15] no idea, its hanging on Starting normal Mythbuntu build initiated by 0 at Tue May 8 23:12:45 BST 2007 [12:15] I: Retrieving Release [12:15] currently set BASE_MIRROR..... [12:15] BASE_MIRROR='http://mirror.cs.umn.edu/ubuntu/' [12:16] that's superm1's university [12:16] I think the proxy is getting in the way [12:16] yeah [12:17] all that needs, is a repo [12:17] i'll be gone for a few mis [12:25] I need to go to bed now [12:25] need to be perky for my interview [12:25] ttfn