[12:25] <maxamillion> Jester45: http://www.yolinux.com/TUTORIALS/LinuxAndDualMonitors.html
[12:26] <Jester45> ok umm
[12:26] <Jester45> re paste that once i get on with gaim, im in irssi now
[12:26] <maxamillion> <3 irssi
[12:26] <h3sp4wn> Thats not , one terminal running the console and another running X
[12:27] <maxamillion> h3sp4wn: wait ... is that what he wants to do?
[12:27] <h3sp4wn> maxamillion: I think so
[12:27] <h3sp4wn> 23:24 < Jester45> i dont want X on the first screen
[12:28] <maxamillion> 17:28 < Jester45> i just want them both to run at the same time
[12:28] <maxamillion> now i'm confused
[12:29] <h3sp4wn> To me that implied using them both usefully at the same time (but it doesn't make sense thinking about it properly)
[12:36] <Jester45> sorry about that
[12:36] <Jester45> i tried useing xdm and when i switched from f1 to f7 its frooze
[12:56] <Merchelo> how to install xp
[12:56] <Merchelo> http://www.doingitwrong.com/wrong/wrong26.jpg
[12:57] <GrueTamer> hahahahaha
[01:00] <michaelpo> how do i make xubuntu automatically login/
[01:04] <GrueTamer> michaelpo: might have to edit some configuration files, sorry i cant be of more help, as ive never really looked into it
[01:04] <GrueTamer> if youre willing to do some serious looking, examine how a livecd works...or just browse the internet :)
[01:05] <michaelpo> GrueTamer: thanks... how about launching the onscreen virtual keyboard// it is not in the app menu... package manager said it is installed already...
[01:11] <GrueTamer> no clue
[01:15] <Whamazoom> !automatix
[01:15] <ubotu> Automatix2 is a script that tries to install some software, and often fails and breaks systems. We don't provide support for it, and we strongly discourage its use. Problems caused by Automatix are often hard to track and solve, and it might sometimes be easier to !install a fresh copy of Ubuntu. See also !WorksForMe
[01:16] <michaelpo> GrueTamer: how do i add items into the app menu/
[01:16] <GrueTamer> hummm...main menu i think
[01:16] <Whamazoom> !worksforme > Whamazoom
[01:16] <GrueTamer> i wish i had xfce open right now
[01:16] <Whamazoom> Add apps to the Xfce bar?
[01:17] <GrueTamer> wait, i have it wrong
[01:17] <GrueTamer> um...what was it
[01:17] <GrueTamer> right click on the panel and type "add new launcher" or something like that
[01:17] <GrueTamer> bbl, dinner
[01:17] <Whamazoom> rightclick Xfce bar, configure, then add a launcher, specify the pixmap (/usr/share/pixmap) then add the command
[01:18] <Whamazoom> no configure....just add new item
[01:20] <michaelpo> how do i add the accessibility category into the menu/
[01:21] <kalikiana_> michaelpo, Are you speaking of the applications menu? I don't think there's a menu with that name at all.
[01:21] <michaelpo> //join #df
[01:21] <Whamazoom> michaelpo: goto applications, then system settings, then menu editor
[01:23] <michaelpo> xubuntu cannot use my shift keys;;... so i want to use the virtual keyboard...
[01:23] <Whamazoom> Did you install onBoard?
[01:24] <michaelpo> onboard is installed by default... but it is not showing up at the apps menu
[01:24] <Whamazoom> just type onboard in a terminal :D
[01:26] <michaelpo> ok... thanks...
[01:26] <michaelpo> gtg now... thanks...
[01:41] <vidd> can anyone recommend a pcmcia wireless card that works out-of-the-box?
[01:42] <vidd> seems like all the ones i find are all bcm43xx cards
[01:42] <vidd> =\
[02:01] <nicholas76> Get your own free domain! http://www.domainlagoon.com/?ref=17315
[02:01] <vidd> OMG a spambot!
[02:12] <Catoptromancy> never!
[02:12] <Catoptromancy> heh
[02:13] <vidd> ha! i have a lappy with a fully functional dial-up modem!
[02:13] <vidd> but the wifi card (pcmcia) doesnt work
[02:14] <vidd> only 23hours and 58 minutes to download updates from fresh dapper install
[02:14] <cliebow> lspci show  it??
[02:15] <cliebow> no
[02:15] <vidd> its a bcm43xx card
[02:15] <cliebow> pool inot bcm43xx
[02:15] <cliebow> balls
[02:15] <cliebow> look in to bcm43xx
[02:16] <cliebow> and fwcutter
[02:16] <vidd> the bcm43xx only works with ndiswrapper
[02:16] <cliebow> or ibook g4
[02:17] <vidd> this update via dial-up is going to take forever
[03:00] <Jester45> anyone know of a lightweight cli music player with playlist support?
[03:00] <cellofellow> mp3blaster
[03:10] <brianw> mpd is nice
[03:10] <brianw> and can be controlled remotely w/ various clients
[03:10] <cellofellow> even FoxyTunes in Firefox
[03:14] <Catoptromancy_> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/19713/
[03:15] <Catoptromancy_> Anyone have any clue on how to put ALSA in the client list under the right number
[03:15] <Catoptromancy_> and get rid of a few timidities
[03:23] <GrueTamer> is configuring anthy supposed to take a long time?
[03:23] <GrueTamer> im installing xubuntu on the machine next to me, and while i know its very OLD, i feel that a few hours of configuring is pretty long
[03:24] <Catoptromancy_> what exact screen is it on?
[03:24] <GrueTamer> its on Select and install software in the alternate install, at 65% done, and it says its Configuring anthy
[03:24] <Catoptromancy_> my super old PC freezes for hours on installing "systems files"
[03:24] <GrueTamer> its not a big deal if its frozen for the time being, ill just let it run till its done
[03:24] <Catoptromancy_> Is this a Live CD?
[03:24] <GrueTamer> nah, alternate
[03:25] <GrueTamer> livecd would fry it :)
[03:25] <Catoptromancy> ya I had another old PC that could run Alternate
[03:25] <GrueTamer> ill give it a day before i get worried
[03:25] <Catoptromancy> but another really old PC didnt install overnight
[03:26] <GrueTamer> i dont really care how long this takes, i just want it done
[03:26] <GrueTamer> eventually
[03:26] <Catoptromancy> how fast is it?
[03:26] <Catoptromancy> or ram
[03:26] <GrueTamer> just 64, barely squeaks by
[03:26] <GrueTamer> i know, i should try something lighter...well, i know that xfce has the capabilities to run pretty darn well on it
[03:27] <Catoptromancy> some reason its just the install that seems to need more ram
[03:27] <GrueTamer> i think you need 128mb just to run the livecd
[03:27] <Catoptromancy> on my super old PC that couldnt handle the Alternate, Win2000 installed fine
[03:28] <GrueTamer> win98 installs fine
[03:28] <GrueTamer> but, come on, its windows 98 :)
[03:28] <Catoptromancy> heh
[03:28] <Catoptromancy> 6gbs of fun
[03:29] <GrueTamer> thats almost as large as the hard drive :)
[03:29] <Catoptromancy> that was the hardriver I tried to install on
[03:29] <Catoptromancy> -r
[03:29] <GrueTamer> ive got just a shade over 6 gigs
[03:29] <Catoptromancy> heh I tried putting xubnutu on a 2.5 gb HD I still have
[03:30] <Catoptromancy> my PC cried
[03:30] <GrueTamer> this pc is in the room where i sleep, so the only thing im worried about slightly is if the noise of the machine will annoy me or not
[03:34] <Catoptromancy> #ubuntu is impossible
[03:34] <Catoptromancy> I ask a question and before I can even read it, its already scrolled past the top
[03:34] <Catoptromancy> with more people asking questions heh
[03:58] <BrendanM> hey, so if I wanted to install nethack, which package would be best for Xubuntu?
[03:58] <BrendanM> nethack-gnome? nethack-qt? nethack-x11?
[04:01] <DanielX> Hello everyone
[04:03] <test3r> hey - is there a "Network Availability" icon to add to the Top Panel that will let me know when I am near a WiFi network / signal strength ?
[04:04] <test3r> !network availability
[04:04] <Jester45> anyone here use mpd? i cant seem to get mine to play
[04:04] <test3r> !network
[04:04] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[04:04] <Catoptromancy> right click a task bar
[04:04] <Catoptromancy> select network icon
[04:05] <Catoptromancy> might be what you need
[04:05] <Catoptromancy> "add new item " in right click
[04:25] <test3r> well, thats a bandwidth monitor, which i still needed, but is not what I had in mind. I meant a Signal Strength monitor for WiFi signals for Any close network
[04:27] <test3r> i found it
[04:27] <test3r> its called wifi-radar
[04:50] <test3r> no it's rly rly not. lol.  helpful tool, again, but not what I was looking for.
[04:50] <test3r> maybe im just in a bad spot
[04:50] <test3r> maybe i need to float outside
[04:52] <test3r> right now im resizing my ext3 in hopes that nubuntu will enjoy the new space
[06:43] <tuna> hi
[06:43] <tuna> i need some help
[06:44] <tuna> you see, I can't double click
[06:44] <tuna> it's impossible!
[06:44] <tuna> Like when I double click a word and it's supposed to select it, right?
[06:44] <tuna> doesn't happen!
[06:45] <tuna> it works when i log out, but not at any other time
[06:45] <tuna> i have xubuntu feisty
[06:45] <tuna> and i have compiz running
[06:45] <crimsun> reproducible /without/ compiz running?
[06:48] <colin___> how do i install xubuntu from apt?
[06:48] <colin___> i forgot to choose it during the net install and only have the base installed
[06:48] <colin___> i tried apt-get install xubuntu but that didn't work
[06:49] <colin___> hello??
[06:49] <kalikiana__> colin___, 'sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop'
[06:49] <colin___> thanka thanka
[06:49] <kalikiana__> colin___, In the future 'apt-cache search keyword' might help ;)
[06:50] <colin___> yeah i shoulda tried that
[06:50] <colin___> so is it as easy to install a printer in xubuntu as it is in ubuntu?
[06:52] <kalikiana__> colin___, Actually I have no idea - I don't use Ubuntu, so I can't compare.
[06:53] <tuna> back
[06:54] <tuna> let me try it with copmizturned off
[06:54] <tuna> crimsun: nope, still does it with or without compiz
[06:55] <crimsun> what does xev tell you regarding the taps?
[06:55] <tuna> ...what?
[06:56] <tuna> xev? taps?
[06:57] <crabgras1> how do i change the system font?
[06:58] <tuna> Applications>Settings>User Interface Preferences
[06:58] <tuna> Is that what you want?
[06:59] <tuna> crimsun: are you there?
[06:59] <crabgras1> iusing XFCE, not gnome
[06:59] <tuna> right
[06:59] <crabgras1> *i'm using
[06:59] <tuna> so am i
[06:59] <crabgras1> oh.
[06:59] <crabgras1> well, then where's
[06:59] <crabgras1> applications?
[06:59] <crabgras1> durp
[07:00] <crabgras1> nm
[07:00] <tuna> check the top left corner :D
[07:00] <tuna> new to xfce?
[07:00] <crabgras1> i didn't see it first time around
[07:00] <crabgras1> somewhat, and the first thing i did was get rid of the default menu =/
[07:00] <crabgras1> but it's working out!
[07:00] <tuna> :D nice
[07:00] <tuna> well is that what you wanted?
[07:01] <tuna> brb
[07:02] <crabgras1> sure is
[07:02] <crabgras1> and everything's a whole lot shinier now.
[07:02] <crabgras1> thanks!
[07:02] <tuna> you are quite welcome
[07:02] <tuna> back
[07:03] <tuna> ok, can someone PUH-LEEZ help me?
[07:03] <crabgras1> i'll give it a shot.
[07:03] <tuna> ok, here's the prob
[07:03] <tuna> i'm in xfce
[07:03] <tuna> and when I try to double or triple-click, it doesn't work
[07:03] <tuna> it only recognizes single clicks
[07:04] <tuna> so when I want to select a word by double clicking, it doesn't work
[07:04] <crabgras1> settings > desktop > behavior
[07:04] <tuna> really annoying
[07:04] <crabgras1> try that
[07:04] <crabgras1> wait, no. tnot what i thought it was.
[07:04] <crabgras1> oh
[07:04] <crabgras1> settings > file manager > behavior
[07:06] <tuna> i don't think that's what i want...
[07:06] <tuna> ok, you know how when you double click a window, it minimizes?
[07:06] <crabgras1> you sure?
[07:06] <tuna> yes
[07:07] <tuna> or when you double click a word, it highlights?
[07:07] <crabgras1> yeah
[07:07] <tuna> well when I try something like that, it doesn't do anything
[07:07] <tuna> it acts like i just clicked it once
[07:07] <crabgras1> hmm
[07:08] <crabgras1> try changing the doubleclick speed in the mouse options
[07:08] <tuna> it worked!
[07:09] <tuna> thanks
[07:09] <crabgras1> np np
[07:09] <tuna> i love this channel :D
[07:09] <tuna> bye!
[07:09] <crabgras1> lol yup
[07:10] <crabgras1> oops
[07:10] <crabgrass> there we go
[07:40] <binormal> anybody know the easiest way to setup a serial mouse in xubuntu
[08:17] <BFTD> hrm
[08:17] <BFTD> yo all
[08:17] <BFTD> anyone up?
[09:08] <tuxcrafter> hi guys\
[09:17] <Rasi> hi
[09:18] <Rasi>  i just tried to install my epson dx3850 on feisty.. but when i chose the model and want to apply it it says "you need package gutenprint-foomatic" which does not exist
[09:18] <Rasi> when i install "foomatic-db-gutenprint", which seemed logical to me, nothing changed
[09:18] <Rasi> any idea?
[09:19] <maxamillion> Rasi: uhmm... let me take a peek into the repo and see if there is something to fix that
[09:20] <maxamillion> Rasi: ah, i believe the package you are in need of is called: cupsys-driver-gutenprint
[09:20] <Rasi> k.. will give it a try, thx
[09:20] <Rasi> hehe
[09:20] <Rasi> "is already the most recent version"
[09:21] <maxamillion> huh ... that's a fun one
[09:21] <Rasi> fun thing is, a just read in a forum, that one has got it running on ubuntu without doing anything
[09:24] <maxamillion> Rasi: ah, i bet there is something in the gnome printer manager that makes it "just work" ... while you can install the gnome printer tool i will warn that it will download a decent number of gnome libraries and could potentially take up system resources
[09:24] <Rasi> which i will definately not do, hehe :P
[09:25] <maxamillion> don't blame you
[10:25] <esculapius> hi everyone
[10:25] <esculapius> can anyone help me finding resources to correctly install an configure an
[10:25] <esculapius> ADSL USB modem
[10:26] <esculapius> D-link DSL-302t
[10:26] <esculapius> on xubunt
[10:26] <esculapius> where I have to start from?
[10:26] <esculapius> I'haven't found nothing really specific about that subject
[10:27] <esculapius> and before installing xubuntu on this machine i would have reasonable probability to achieve
[10:27] <esculapius> thia
[10:27] <esculapius> anyone listening to?
[10:31] <predaeus> esculapius, ask in #ubuntu there is more traffic there and this would be the same procedure for both I think
[10:35] <esculapius> ok
[10:48] <reaVer> someone here good with svn?
[10:48] <reaVer> some jackass emptied an entire reposity, and I'm trying to undo his change
[10:49] <reaVer> the logical approach svn up -r x;svn commit failed
[12:25] <h3sp4wn> reaVer: svn revert ?
[12:32] <lysergide> sup h3sp4wn
[12:40] <h3sp4wn> not much
[01:10] <dave> hi all, my font size has just gone huge. I've had this appen on other Xubuntu installs. what is the problem??
[01:12] <dave> I restarted the computer and when I logged back in the font size had gone up to what looks like 14px-ish. But in interface settings says 9
[01:13] <h3sp4wn> dave: any more information ?
[01:16] <dave> not really i'm afraid
[01:16] <dave> what do you want?
[01:17] <h3sp4wn> Not sure (I don't have any ideas currently though :/)
[01:18] <h3sp4wn> especially as 100dpi is hardcoded by /etc/X11/xinit/xserver-rc
[01:18] <dave> hmm. i checked my xorg.conf and default depth is 24
[01:18] <h3sp4wn> dave: xdpyinfo | grep resolution (what does that say)
[01:19] <h3sp4wn> (dots per inch - I would expect it to say 100)
[01:19] <h3sp4wn> has just the size of the fonts changed or the screen resolution also ?
[01:19] <dave> resolution:    125x126 dots per inch
[01:19] <h3sp4wn> wierd
[01:20] <dave> how can I change it back to 100?
[01:20] <h3sp4wn> can you pastebin - /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc
[01:20] <h3sp4wn> are you using nvidia or fglrx or free drivers ?
[01:24] <grazie> dave: The font size in xfce often seems to be a problem. This was guide that helped for small fonts on edgy >> http://xubuntuguide.org/tiki-index.php?page=En:Edgy&redirectpage=Edgy#Small_font_sizes
[01:24] <h3sp4wn> grazie: fonts in linux is still a problem (for me at least)
[01:25] <h3sp4wn> (with lcd panels that have bad edid data anyway)
[01:25] <grazie> h3sp4wn: Only ever had problems with xfce myself, which I've been using since Christmas
[01:26] <h3sp4wn> grazie: by default I always get a multicolored tint on all fonts
[01:27] <h3sp4wn> (physical size of screen is 96x96 exactly but the edid reports 95x96)
[01:48] <dave> sorry for the absence guys... I use fglrx
[01:49] <dave> #!/bin/sh
[01:49] <dave> exec /usr/bin/X11/X -dpi 100 -nolisten tcp
[01:49] <dave> thats my whole xserverrc
[01:50] <h3sp4wn> hmmm
[02:13] <darrend> dave: do the fonts in firefox look similar?  FF by default uses a slightly different rendering/dpi mechanism (not sure of the details)
[02:14] <h3sp4wn> about:config (there is a css.dpi that should be set to what you are actually using)
[02:14] <h3sp4wn> but the dpi should be what the screen measures to be
[02:15] <darrend> correct,  (it's called "layout.css.dpi" I think) but it's not set by default
[02:15] <darrend> normally with font size issues, FF does something slightly different
[02:15] <darrend> you can also force the DPI in XFCE by amending ~/.config/xfce4/Xft.xrdb
[02:15] <h3sp4wn> Yeah I still haven't got my fonts exactly as I want them
[02:16] <darrend> by adding the line "Xft.dpi=100" or whatever you want it to be
[02:16] <darrend> that last fix worked for me on the one machine I have seen this problem on (my laptop)
[02:17] <h3sp4wn> Yeah I use that (but at 96)
[02:17] <darrend> mine's at 72
[02:17] <h3sp4wn> Option          "UseEdidDpi" "0" \n Option          "DPI" "96x96" (in xorg.conf)
[02:17] <darrend> but, whatever works for you.  It seems to be the one thing XFCE takes notice of consistently
[02:18] <h3sp4wn> Its still not as good as it was when I was useing gentoo (strange the reason I switched was to get rid of the messing around but so far I have spent more time messing around)
[02:19] <darrend> interesting, I switched from gentoo also as I was getting fed up with breakages every time a new system component got broken.  I just needed a machine (esp for work) that "just worked"
[02:19] <darrend> I've spent WAY less time in sys conf with xubuntu than gentoo
[02:20] <h3sp4wn> I was using ~amd64 (with enlightenment and xeffects overlays - and paludis)
[02:20] <h3sp4wn> and I had very little hassle at all
[02:20] <darrend> gentoo was great for me for about 3 years, then about a year ago every time a major component got upgraded it seemed to cause all sorts of issues
[02:21] <darrend> things like glibc or baselayout turning up in emerge world -p used to fill me with dread
[02:21] <darrend> as I knew it would be another day lost
[02:23] <Balal> ey.. how do i get my monitors refresh rate to 100 HZ?
[02:24] <h3sp4wn> Balal: what driver are you using ?
[02:24] <darrend> can your monitor *cope* with 100Hz?
[02:26] <Balal> I've installed the nvidia drivers..
[02:26] <Balal> i've ran 100 HZ in windows. i'm new you see ;)
[02:27] <darrend> it's CRT, not TFT/LCD I take it
[02:27] <Balal> jeah
[02:27] <h3sp4wn> Balal: have you got the specs in correctly ?
[02:27] <h3sp4wn> for your monitor
[02:28] <Balal> what do you mean? hah
[02:28] <Balal> spec?
[02:28] <Balal> s
[02:28] <h3sp4wn> HorizSync and VertRefresh
[02:28] <h3sp4wn> you will be able to get them from the monitors manual
[02:28] <darrend> you need to edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf as root - add/amend HorizSync and VertRefresh
[02:28] <darrend> heh - I'll leave it to h3sp4wn
[02:29] <h3sp4wn> with nvidia (if those 2 are in right)
[02:29] <Balal> oh.. i tried
[02:29] <Balal> don't know what to put them on ;p
[02:29] <Balal> kk
[02:29] <h3sp4wn>  Modes           "1280x1024_100" "1024x768_100" "800x600_100" "640x480_100"
[02:29] <h3sp4wn> once those are in correctly you can just add _100 etc to each modes
[02:29] <h3sp4wn> what refresh rate is it saying ?
[02:30] <Balal> 2 sec
[02:30] <h3sp4wn> and are you using dapper or feisty or edgy ?
[02:31] <Balal> Section "Monitor"
[02:31] <Balal>     Identifier     "Generic Monitor"
[02:31] <Balal>     HorizSync       28.0 - 51.0
[02:31] <Balal>     VertRefresh     43.0 - 60.0
[02:31] <Balal>     Option         "DPMS"
[02:31] <Balal> EndSection
[02:31] <Balal> feisty..?
[02:31] <Balal> i guess
[02:31] <darrend> those look like values for a TFT
[02:31] <h3sp4wn> what does - cat /proc/driver/nvidia/version say
[02:32] <Balal> really? well, i have a CRT;P
[02:33] <Balal> NVRM version: NVIDIA Linux x86 Kernel Module  1.0-9631  Thu Nov  9 17:38:10 PST 2006
[02:33] <Balal> GCC version:  gcc version 4.1.2 (Ubuntu 4.1.2-0ubuntu4)
[02:33] <Balal> NVRM version: NVIDIA Linux x86 Kernel Module  1.0-9631  Thu Nov  9 17:38:10 PST 2006
[02:33] <Balal> GCC version:  gcc version 4.1.2 (Ubuntu 4.1.2-0ubuntu4)
[02:33] <h3sp4wn> that nvidia will report bogus hz ratings anyway
[02:34] <h3sp4wn> Balal: Do you actually have the specs for the monitor ?
[02:34] <Balal> i don't know what specs is;p
[02:35] <h3sp4wn> Normally in the manual of the monitor those specifications would be listed
[02:35] <Balal> ah.. hehe. i don't have the manual either
[02:35] <Balal> but never mind
[02:35] <h3sp4wn> find the model number and try to look it up on the web
[02:35] <Balal> apparently i can't have any sound :\
[02:35] <Balal> sooo
[02:36] <Balal> back to windows i guess :|
[02:36] <h3sp4wn> or you can sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (select medium and a suitable resolution)
[03:58] <reaVer> h3sp4wn: nope
[03:58] <reaVer> revert is clientside only
[04:07] <h3sp4wn> reaVer: have you fixed it now ?
[04:07] <h3sp4wn> if he removed them probably you have to re svn add them
[04:08] <reaVer> h3sp4wn: yeah
[04:08] <reaVer> no, we did a merge with an older revision
[04:09] <h3sp4wn> reaVer: svn switch (have you ever used that correctly ?) everytime I have tried I ended up just needing a new checkout
[04:09] <reaVer> h3sp4wn: no, I didn't use switch
[04:27] <dadan_x> i installed xubuntu 6.10 with a certain videocard and now i need to replace it, how do i start xserver with the new card without reinstalling the whole system?
[04:29] <predaeus> dadan_x, basically you would have to have the kernel drivers for that new card installed and also the X drivers and those set in xorg.conf I think
[04:30] <predaeus> !nvidia
[04:30] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[04:32] <dadan_x> i have an old S3 trio card
[04:32] <dadan_x> the machine is rather old
[04:33] <dadan_x> that's why i have installed xubuntu
[04:33] <h3sp4wn> change back to vesa prior to swapping the card
[04:33] <dadan_x> "Change back to vesa prior to swapping the card:" and how to do that?
[04:34] <h3sp4wn> dadan_x: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (select vesa and go thru the wizard)
[04:34] <dadan_x> oke thank you!
[04:34] <h3sp4wn> x should still work but very slowly (on both cards)
[04:34] <h3sp4wn> then you can deal with setting up the new card one its in
[04:37] <DrCurl> hi
[04:37] <h3sp4wn> Hi
[04:37] <DrCurl> I made the switch to xubuntu, very very clean
[04:37] <DrCurl> I like the way it handles removable media
[04:37] <DrCurl> orage is sweet too!
[04:39] <DrCurl> I have no sound in gaim, do I have to install gstreamer to fix this? or just esd?
[04:40] <TheSheep> DrCurl: just esd
[04:41] <DrCurl> the package is esound I guess?
[04:43] <h3sp4wn> there is something that is recommended instead of esd these days isn't there (pulseaudio ?)
[04:43] <TheSheep> DrCurl: yes
[04:43] <DrCurl> TheSheep: thanks
[04:44] <DrCurl> hmm, still have no sound :(
[04:45] <TheSheep> DrCurl: do you have any sound at all?
[04:46] <DrCurl> yes, I have sound. When I start esd, I get a serie of sounds in my speaker, flash works as well
[04:47] <DrCurl> when I go in gaim sound pref, and select automatic or esd for sound, I get nothing, even in the sound testing part
[04:47] <TheSheep> :/
[04:48] <TheSheep> DrCurl: maybe you need the gstreamer after all?
[04:48] <DrCurl> maybe that is the way gaim is built in ubuntu, gonna test it with gstreamer, brb
[04:49] <h3sp4wn> I am certain pulseaudio was recommended over esd (by cr imsun) and its supposed to be fully compatible
[04:59] <DrCurl> nice, now that I have installed gstreamer, I can't remove it, cause apt-get it wants to remove gaim as well
[05:00] <DrCurl> and it wasn't working with gstreamer anyway, only way I could get it to work was through using aplay command
[05:27] <TheSheep> The_Cleric: yes
[05:27] <TheSheep> somerville32: \o/
[05:28] <somerville32> :D
[05:48] <somerville32> (#xubuntu-devel) TheSheep, How goes the theme?
[05:49] <TheSheep> somerville32: shelved
[05:50] <somerville32> Why so?
[05:51] <TheSheep> somerville32: I'll continue when I install drupal somewhere
[05:54] <somerville32> TheSheep: I have a server you can use if that is the issue.
[05:56] <TheSheep> somerville32: no, I have lots of servers, I just need to learn about drupal
[05:56] <somerville32> I can install it for you.
[05:57] <TheSheep> somerville32: I will need to learn it anyways
[06:18] <somerville32> Does anyone have any ideas why my mic would not work?
[06:18] <TheSheep> somerville32: run aumix and set it to recording
[06:21] <somerville32> haha
[06:21] <somerville32> I fixed it.
[06:28] <boulba> salut comment on fait pour que le pav? num?rique soit verouill? quand on entre sur notre bureau graphique ?
[06:29] <TheSheep> !fr | boulba
[06:29] <ubotu> boulba: Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[06:29] <aboyousif> je ne parle pas en francaise .. svp use english :)
[06:30] <TheSheep> boulba: you can check #ubuntu-artwork too
[06:30] <boulba> ok thank you
[06:31] <adam0509> well this should be numlockx... personally I has never worked for me...
[06:32] <boulba> so what must I use ?
[06:33] <boulba> must I script it somewhere ?
[06:34] <hyper_ch> yes, zattoo finally for linux :) one app less that make me start vmware :)
[06:34] <hyper_ch> it's an edgy .deb... hmmm.... gonna try it anyway
[06:55] <godless_> !ati
[06:55] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[07:04] <godless_> This box has an AMD Sempron 2800, should I be using the 'amd64' install?
[07:05] <godless_> Getting wretched performance from my radeon9600pro
[07:05] <aboyousif> godless_, i think i386 will work too
[07:05] <godless_> aboyousif:  it works, yes.
[07:05] <h3sp4wn> godless_: what socket do you use ?
[07:05] <godless_> Just wondering if I would get better performance.
[07:06] <aboyousif> godless_, actually i didn't try it ..
[07:06] <h3sp4wn> godless_: wretched performance doing what ?
[07:07] <godless_> sorry, got distracted. All I've done so far is install, and turn on compositor :).. and the window rendering performance is terrible... like, my p3 with onboard i815 does better.
[07:07] <godless_> long wait when switching windows, repositioning, etc.
[07:07] <aboyousif> any fiesty here ? does php4 there ?
[07:07] <h3sp4wn> godless_: using free drivers ? is dri working ?
[07:08] <godless_> h3sp4wn:  I am using the default free drivers now. Thinking of using the fglrx drivers if it will help.
[07:08] <godless_> Don't know if dri is working, how would I check?
[07:08] <godless_> I also can't remember if this chip is socket A or socket 754
[07:08] <godless_> built it a while ago :/
[07:09] <aboyousif> any 7.04 users here ?
[07:09] <h3sp4wn> godless_: glxinfo | grep direct
[07:09] <h3sp4wn> godless_: are you using beryl or any of that junk
[07:10] <aboyousif> !php4
[07:10] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about php4 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:10] <godless_> h3sp4wn:  Well, I hope to (that's why I installed on this machine, to play with beryl) but as it stands I am in xfce still
[07:10] <aboyousif> !fiesty
[07:10] <ubotu> Ubuntu 7.04 (Feisty Fawn) is the latest version of Ubuntu. Upgrading to Feisty: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FeistyUpgrades - Downloading: http://www.ubuntu.com/download - For BitTorrent downloads, see !Torrents
[07:10] <godless_> h3sp4wn:  direct rendering: Yes
[07:11] <godless_> h3sp4wn:  This is a default install, all I have done is turn on subpixel hinting and some transparency... and notice the terrible video performance.
[07:11] <h3sp4wn> godless_: There is a few things you can try adding to xorg.conf to improve performance
[07:11] <h3sp4wn> wait a minute I will find them and pastebin them
[07:12] <godless_> thanks.
[07:12] <godless_> Should I install fglrx?
[07:15] <h3sp4wn> godless: I wouldn't
[07:15] <h3sp4wn> you would then need to use xgl (which is a real pita)
[07:15] <h3sp4wn> http://pastebin.ca/477413
[07:16] <godless> don't I need to use xgl for beryl anyway?
[07:16] <h3sp4wn> godless: (put them in section device)
[07:16] <h3sp4wn> godless: no - with those drivers (configured right) you will be able to use aiglx
[07:17] <grazie> aboyousif: php4 is not supported on feisty (it is on edgy)
[07:17] <aboyousif> grazie, just found that .. :(
[07:17] <h3sp4wn> godless: (it is possible to get decent performance with the free drivers)
[07:19] <godless> h3sp4wn:  Thanks. Restarting x...
[07:20] <godless> Hm.
[07:20] <h3sp4wn> godless: no difference ?
[07:20] <h3sp4wn> lsmod | grep radeon (kernel module loaded ? I guess it is)
[07:23] <godless> h3sp4wn:  Rebooting has made a big difference.
[07:23] <h3sp4wn> godless: useable ?
[07:23] <godless> restarting gdm didn't so I rebooted. Now I can drag windows without having to wait 5 seconds! Huzzah! ;)
[07:23] <godless> Yes, quite.
[07:24] <godless> Where did you find those xorg options?
[07:24] <godless> h3sp4wn:  ie- how will I remember how to do this next time?
[07:25] <h3sp4wn> when messing around with my own radeon 9250 tryed all the options
[07:25] <h3sp4wn> man radeon (pretty much) took ages
[07:25] <godless> ah. Didn't know there was a man radeon.. heh
[07:26] <h3sp4wn> I just went through them and tryed to see which ones made a difference to glxgears
[07:26] <h3sp4wn> (junk benchmark but it was at least 50% faster by the end)
[07:28] <Nalleman> Hi, just installed xubuntu on an old laptop, it works great so far but one thing annoys me. The splash screen does not use the whole physical screen so the "xubuntu" logo is displaced to the lower right end of the screen. anyone knows how to fix this?
[07:29] <feliciano> Hi, I have xubuntu feisty installed. I'm triting to install xfce 4.4.1 with the graphic installer, but this send me a error... please help me
[07:29] <feliciano> this is the final part of the log file
[07:29] <feliciano> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/19822/
[07:30] <TheSheep> Nalleman: see /etc/usplash.conf
[07:31] <godless> h3sp4wn:  Holy crap that's a lot of options :/
[07:31] <Nalleman> TheSheep, thanx. this might just be it!
[07:31] <h3sp4wn> godless: that is why I kept a list of what was the best for me
[07:32] <feliciano> please, help me
[07:32] <TheSheep> feliciano: the beginning of the error messages would be more helpful, but the guys at #xfce may help you better
[07:33] <feliciano> they dont help me
[07:33] <TheSheep> feliciano: please pastebin the whole log
[07:35] <feliciano> ok
[07:38] <feliciano> its a huge log
[07:39] <godless> h3sp4wn:  Some of your options are not listed in man radeon: AGPSize, XAANoOffscreenPixmaps, etc...?
[07:39] <TheSheep> feliciano: you can limit it to the last gcc call
[07:39] <h3sp4wn> godless: I think the rest came from the xorg wiki
[07:40] <feliciano> TheSheep, ok...
[07:41] <feliciano> The Sheep... Its already... all it
[07:41] <feliciano> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/19826/
[07:41] <Nalleman> TheSheep, hm.. it does not seem to change when i edit the usplash.conf file. the splash its ok when i turn the computer of though after editing.
[07:42] <aboyousif> !dvd
[07:42] <ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[07:44] <feliciano> TheSheep, did you test 4.4.1?
[07:47] <h3sp4wn> feliciano: You can build from the source in debian unstable if you want
[07:48] <feliciano> h3sp4wn... how?
[07:48] <feliciano> you mean, compilate it??
[07:49] <h3sp4wn> feliciano: yeah - using apt-get source with sid repositories and building it bit by bit
[07:49] <feliciano> Oops... I think this is more dificult...
[07:49] <feliciano> Thanks, but I'm newbie... thats why I choose graphic installer h3sp4wn
[07:51] <h3sp4wn> that looks like its compiling it from source anyway (the so called graphical installer)
[07:53] <feliciano> h3sp4wn, yes but, i think, is easier than compile by myself
[07:57] <TranceLife> hello , how i can add programs to start system
[07:57] <TranceLife> i use xubuntu
[07:58] <feliciano> Aplications>Configure>Autostart Aplications or something like that (I have spanish xubuntu)
[08:00] <TranceLife> Feliciano , very thx
[08:00] <godless> Yes, applications->settings->autostarted applications
[08:03] <TranceLife> I have one Question , where i can found drivers for iPOD...?
[08:06] <Nalleman> so, anyone knows how to edit the splash screen settings, except for the usplasch.conf file?
[08:07] <h3sp4wn> I just don't bother with the splash at all
[08:07] <h3sp4wn> (remove splash from the defopts in menu.lst - sudo update-grub) problem solved
[08:38] <Nalleman> how can i make the terminal stick to the background?
[09:03] <Scunizi> How do I connect to my remote xbutu box graphic desktop with ssh.  Terminal ssh work now to the commandline. I'd also like the gui.
[09:06] <TheSheep> Scunizi: just run any graphical application, it should display a window on your side
[09:06] <TheSheep> Scunizi: if not, use ssh -X -Y to connect
[09:06] <Scunizi> TheSheep: thanks..
[09:07] <TheSheep> Scunizi: you can also use something like VNC or nxclient
[09:08] <Scunizi> TheSheep: The xbutu box is actually a dapper server with xubuntu-desktop installed, remote & headless.  I thought I could log in w/ssh then activate the desktop
[09:08] <Scunizi> TheSheep: With gnome once logged in I just type gnome-sessions after ssh -x name@IP
[09:09] <TheSheep> Scunizi: there is xfce4-session, but I don't know if it will work
[09:10] <h3sp4wn> xfce4-session will work fine with nx (otherwise may as well just run individual apps)
[09:10] <Scunizi> That's what I was looking for!  thanks!
[09:11] <XiXaQ> Can someone tell me what command I should use when connecting via NX?
[09:12] <h3sp4wn> I just manually ran /usr/bin/xfce4-session when I tried it
[09:13] <Scunizi> Worked for me except it looks like it running xfce on my primary machine.  Task bar shows all my primary machine programs that are open.
[09:13] <XiXaQ> h3sp4wn, thanks. :)
[09:14] <h3sp4wn> XiXaQ: I used key based auth also
[09:17] <XiXaQ> right. I got it working with that command you gave me. :)
[09:18] <lil_cain> any idea how I'd bind my windows key to do something?
[09:18] <XiXaQ> I can't drag to select several files or folders on the desktop in Xfce. Is that normal?
[09:19] <lil_cain> I've tried keyboard shortcuts in the settings menu, but that didn't get me anywhere
[09:19] <TheSheep> XiXaQ: yes
[09:20] <Amon-san> hi, i got a laptop with 400 MHz and 128 MB ram how can i tweak my xubuntu 7.04 on taht machine for better performance?
[09:20] <TheSheep> lil_cain: this is a little tricky because of a bug in the key-catching part -- basically, you can do it by editing the ocnfig file
[09:20] <lil_cain> TheSheep: where's that held?
[09:20] <TheSheep> Amon-san: disable the parts you don't use
[09:21] <Amon-san> are there guides about that on the web?
[09:21] <TheSheep> lil_cain: which one? the general shortcuts or the window manager ones?
[09:21] <TheSheep> Amon-san: yes
[09:21] <Amon-san> i feel not safe enough so i might acciently disable stuff i need
[09:21] <lil_cain> TheSheep: theone I'd need to edit to make my windows key launch something
[09:21] <Amon-san> TheSheep: doyou have any links at hand?
[09:22] <TheSheep> lil_cain: one is in .config/xfce4/shortcuts/<theme>.xml, the other one in .themes/<theme>/xfwm4/keythemerc
[09:22] <lil_cain> TheSheep: cool, thanks
[09:22] <TheSheep> lil_cain: where <theme> is the name of your keyboard heme (you can create a new one)
[09:23] <TheSheep> Amon-san: not at the moment, try googling or searching the forums.ubuntu.com
[09:23] <Amon-san> ok
[09:29] <atarinox> is there a program which i can use on linux to stream mp3's  from my windows box?
[09:29] <h3sp4wn> atarinox: fusesmb or smbmount ? (then just play as if they are local)
[09:31] <atarinox> h3sp4wn: the windows pc is on my local network...ive never been able to access the files though, at least not in edgy. are there some upgrades in feisty which make accessing windows networks easier?
[09:33] <h3sp4wn> atarinox: Not that I know of (I don't have any windows machines here - anymore)
[09:34] <atarinox> h3sp4wn: oh ok
[09:40] <knubbe> anyone who can suggest a command line mp3-player with as little resource use as possible. like splay and moc.
[09:41] <h3sp4wn> opencubicplayer ?
[09:41] <h3sp4wn> does it need to run without using floating point ?
[09:42] <knubbe> no (i dont think so)
[09:42] <knubbe> i just installed ubuntu server version on my old iMac
[09:42] <h3sp4wn> !info opencubicplayer
[09:42] <ubotu> opencubicplayer: UNIX port of Open Cubic Player. In component universe, is optional. Version 1:0.1.11-1 (feisty), package size 584 kB, installed size 1572 kB
[09:42] <knubbe> ill have a look at that one, thank you
[09:50] <nalleman> Hi all, I would like to have a terminal to run in the background and maybe some freaky system status apps as well. is there som simple way to get such?
[09:53] <knubbe> h3sp4wn: opencubicplayer doesnt seem to be in edgy
[09:54] <h3sp4wn> is moc broken ?
[09:55] <h3sp4wn> knubbe: you could try backporting it
[09:56] <h3sp4wn> deb-src line for feisty - apt-get update; apt-get build-dep opencubicplayer; apt-get -b source opencubicplayer (should give you deb's) if you are lucky
[09:58] <knubbe> h3sp4wn: i think i figured out how to use moc now. ;-)
[10:02] <h3sp4wn> knubbe: I quite like moc (other than the sound quality is not too good)
[10:02] <h3sp4wn> clips alot for me
[10:02] <h3sp4wn> A cli player based on xine would be good
[10:02] <knubbe> i ran mp321 earlier, but it didnt work very well. the sound wasnt good at all.
[10:03] <knubbe> im using the imac as an icecast server
[10:03] <knubbe> ..and client
[10:03] <h3sp4wn> Do you use another mac as a desktop ?
[10:03] <Whamazoom> If I am trying to share files between xubuntu and XP, should I get NFS & Samba?
[10:04] <h3sp4wn> Whamazoom: you can use either (get services for unix (SFU)) or just use samba
[10:04] <knubbe> h3sp4wn: nope. we had that one to test our websites in it, but since it was mac os9 it didnt do much good nowadays.
[10:04] <knubbe> h3sp4wn: (that was our only mac)
[10:04] <h3sp4wn> ah
[10:04] <Whamazoom> h3sp4wn: but would it hurt to get them both?
[10:04] <h3sp4wn> Whamazoom: Not really (services for unix would be for XP)
[10:05] <Whamazoom> ok
[10:05] <h3sp4wn> free download (or was last time I needed to use it)
[10:08] <hyper_ch> knubbe: what kind of playing do you try to achieve?
[10:12] <kanpachi> hello, i just d/led the xubuntu-desktop package, i was using ubuntu before, and i really like it, i only have problem, i still see the ubuntu logo when i reboot instead of the xubuntu one, how can i fix it pleasE?
[10:14] <SD-Jason> hi folks -- im using the latest live CD from the website - -on 2 different machines now, ive gotten errors when the installer tries to create the EXT3 partition -- is there a workaround / etc?
[10:14] <hyper_ch> kanpachi: could it be applicatiosn --> settings --> splashscreen ?
[10:14] <kanpachi> apllications?
[10:15] <kanpachi> i'm using xubuntu atm
[10:15] <hyper_ch> SD-Jason: did you check the CD for defects? during boot before xubuntu is started you can make a cd-check
[10:15] <SD-Jason> hyper_ch: yes sir i did
[10:15] <SD-Jason> it passed with no errors
[10:15] <kanpachi> and i don't mean the splash, i mean the logo that shows when you boot up, the one with the scrolling bar
[10:15] <Whamazoom> I got samba, and set the shared folder....except I need to enter a name and pass from XP....and its not taking root/pass, or my user name and pass.....
[10:15] <hyper_ch> SD-Jason: well, for installation the alternate cd is better... the desktop cd is ok but often there are problems with it
[10:16] <SD-Jason> on one machine -- i went into the manual partitioner and changed the type to ext2 and it installed fine
[10:16] <Whamazoom> and I have no way of locating the shared folder on XP from xubuntu
[10:16] <hyper_ch> Whamazoom: you need to add a user to samba
[10:16] <SD-Jason> the alternate cd? -- isnt that the 64 bit one?
[10:17] <hyper_ch> SD-Jason: no, it's not the 64-bit one...
[10:18] <hyper_ch> SD-Jason: what country are you from?
[10:18] <hyper_ch> Whamazoom: no queries plz.... adding a(n existing) system user to samba:   sudo smbpasswd -a USER
[10:19] <kanpachi> anyone please?
[10:19] <kanpachi> how do i get rid of the ubuntu boot and replace it with a xubuntu one
[10:19] <Whamazoom> hyper_ch: can I add the username that I am currently on?
[10:19] <SD-Jason> usa
[10:19] <SD-Jason> why?
[10:20] <hyper_ch> Whamazoom: yes, you are an existing system user
[10:20] <Whamazoom> hyper_ch: ok thanks let me give it a try
[10:20] <hyper_ch> SD-Jason: http://mirror.anl.gov/pub/ubuntu-iso/DVDs/xubuntu/7.04/release/xubuntu-7.04-alternate-i386.iso
[10:20] <SD-Jason> thanks!
[10:20] <hyper_ch> http://mirror.anl.gov/pub/ubuntu-iso/DVDs/xubuntu/7.04/release/  --> first comes desktop, then alternate
[10:20] <h3sp4wn> system users are <= uid of 999
[10:21] <SD-Jason> have a good one folks
[10:22] <hyper_ch> Whamazoom: could be possible that after adding a user to samba that you have to restart the server (I don't think so but I'm not 100% sure)
[10:22] <Whamazoom> I cannot seem to restart samba.... i typed in /etc/rc.d/init.d/smb restart ....nothing
[10:22] <hyper_ch> hiho h3sp4wn
[10:22] <h3sp4wn> moin
[10:22] <hyper_ch> Whamazoom: you forgot the "sudo"
[10:23] <hyper_ch> and its:  sudo /etc/init.d/samba restart
[10:23] <hyper_ch> h3sp4wn: you're not from Switzerland right?
[10:23] <h3sp4wn> hyper_ch: no - uk
[10:24] <hyper_ch> h3sp4wn: ok :) just thought because of the "moin" :) I guess you can't use zattoo then :)
[10:24] <Whamazoom> hyper_ch: yes sudo /etc/init.d/samba restart worked :D
[10:24] <h3sp4wn> hyper_ch: I cannot :)
[10:25] <hyper_ch> h3sp4wn: too bad :) zattoo was one of the reasons I had windoze running in vbox :) and now they provided linux clients... one for edgy but it works fine in feisty :)
[10:25] <Whamazoom> now is there a way of locating my XP shared folder from xubuntu?
[10:25] <hyper_ch> Whamazoom: never tried that... I keep sharing from Xubuntu
[10:26] <Whamazoom> oh, because I am just trying to xfer a movie between the two.... XP > Xubuntu
[10:26] <hyper_ch> Whamazoom: share a folder in Xubuntu and use it as transfer folder :)
[10:27] <h3sp4wn> Whamazoom: or use winscp
[10:27] <Whamazoom> ok, yea I also had it set to read only lol duh
[10:27] <hyper_ch> or rsync
[10:27] <hyper_ch> or normal ftp
[10:27] <hyper_ch> or setting up apache and putting it into a webfolder for download :)
[10:27] <h3sp4wn> ftp must die
[10:28] <Whamazoom> what is rsync?
[10:28] <hyper_ch> h3sp4wn: why? ftp is one of the first protocolls :)
[10:28] <hyper_ch> Whamazoom: rsync is a program that syncs two machines/folders
[10:29] <Whamazoom> Hmm, I still cannot drop any files onto the Xubuntu shared folder from XP....windows cannot use the linux HDD format right?
[10:29] <hyper_ch> Whamazoom: I use rsync to create my incremental snapshot backups
[10:29] <hyper_ch> Whamazoom: if it is shared with samba windows can write to it
[10:29] <hyper_ch> that's why you use samba :)
[10:30] <Whamazoom> "Network access denied, be sure you have the correct network permissions to perform this operation" ....
[10:30] <kanpachi> hello, i was using ubuntu and now i installed the xubuntu-desktop package and i wanna get rid of the ubuntu logo at boot and replace it with the xubuntu logo, how do i do it please?
[10:31] <Whamazoom> kanpanchi:try going to the splashscreen preferances
[10:32] <hyper_ch> Whamazoom: here's my little samba config... very simple but it's working:  http://phpfi.com/232823
[10:32] <kanpachi> splash screen?
[10:32] <kanpachi> i mean the ubuntu logo at boot
[10:32] <kanpachi> not the splash screen
[10:37] <hyper_ch> kanpachi: how about a fresh install of xubuntu?
[10:37] <Whamazoom> YES! i just had to change "writable" to yes in the [home]  portion of samba  thanks so much hyper_ch
[10:38] <kanpachi> well, i wouldn't mind that
[10:38] <hyper_ch> Whamazoom: you're welcome
[10:38] <kanpachi> but i can't do so atm
[10:38] <kanpachi> thanx anyways
[10:39] <Whamazoom> I installed Ubuntu yesterday....I couldnt take how slow it was, so I just went witha fresh Xubunut
[10:39] <Whamazoom> still slower then XP (booting up) but its free...
[10:39] <hyper_ch> oh well, I don't thinki ubuntu is slow :)
[10:39] <hyper_ch> I tend to think is quicker than xp
[10:39] <Whamazoom> dang, if I boot my XPbox, and this cpu at the same time....Linux will load on average 5mins slower then XP
[10:39] <h3sp4wn> I don't think it is (from a fresh xp installation) it is over time though
[10:40] <hyper_ch> h3sp4wn: as soon as you add antivirus and a firewall on xp it's damn slow to start up
[10:40] <Whamazoom> but this laptop (linux) is 256ram, 1.6Ghz brain, and the XP has a 3.2Ghz AMD brain, and +2gbs of 400mhz DDR ram
[10:41] <h3sp4wn> hyper_ch: I wouldn't do that
[10:41] <hyper_ch> h3sp4wn: you wouldn't add antivirus and firewall on xp?
[10:41] <h3sp4wn> hyper_ch: never needed to
[10:42] <Whamazoom> I dunno, this Xp has got alot going on....lots of programs /games, antivirus, and 2 HDDs serialata
[10:42] <hyper_ch> Whamazoom: if you can enhance the 256mb ram to a bit more it's really quick :)
[10:42] <Whamazoom> I wish I could....im not too familiar with upgrading laptop components...
[10:42] <hyper_ch> Whamazoom: wanna swap your xp computer with my xubuntu one?
[10:42] <Whamazoom> if it was in a box though...thats a whole nother story :D
[10:43] <Whamazoom> no way....I got dual 7900GtOC's in SLI, on an MSI mobo with nvidia chipsets
[10:43] <hyper_ch> well, I never added ram to a laptop either
[10:43] <Whamazoom> my XP box is da bomb! lol
[10:43] <hyper_ch> Sysinfo for 'xubi': Linux 2.6.20-15-generic running Xfce 4.4.0, CPU: AMD Sempron 2400+ at 1683 MHz (3371 bogomips), HD: 245/897GB, RAM: 993/1010MB, 136 proc's, 22.48h up
[10:43] <hyper_ch> witha  nVidia GeForce 2 GTS/Pro card :)
[10:44] <Whamazoom> 897gb of hardrive space...dang, I only got 220 about
[10:44] <hyper_ch> well, there should be more than those 897gb
[10:44] <hyper_ch> got a 500gb
[10:44] <hyper_ch> a 320
[10:44] <hyper_ch> a 160 and 120 gb one
[10:44] <Whamazoom> who has almost a terrabyte of storage on a PC lol! thats awsome
[10:44] <hyper_ch> but the 120 isn't loaded yet... gonna play around with truecypt a bit
[10:45] <Whamazoom> trucrypt = the shiznit! I highly reccommend it
[10:45] <hyper_ch> so far I use dm-crypt with LUKS
[10:45] <Whamazoom> its got a sick hiddern directory option too....its beautiful
[10:45] <hyper_ch> Whamazoom: what do you need that for?
[10:46] <hyper_ch> Whamazoom: it just needs to be unhackable.. that's the only thing I care for
[10:46] <Whamazoom> I use it to encrypt my USB drives that I take on campus.....just incase
[10:46] <hyper_ch> Whamazoom: everbody can see that there is an encrypted drive, they just must not be able to decrypt it :)
[10:46] <Whamazoom> they got my resume and crap on there....don't want that info floating around
[10:46] <Whamazoom> yes I know
[10:46] <hyper_ch> well, it depends where you live
[10:46] <tuuksi> hey, how do I add samba-users?
[10:47] <Whamazoom> but truecrypt needs a PW for the original directory....then IF they find the hidden directory it requires a seperate pw
[10:47] <hyper_ch> when you can be ordered by a judge to give out the info then it may be wise to use true crypt with plausible deniability
[10:47] <Whamazoom> :D
[10:47] <hyper_ch> but over here in Europe a judge can't order you :)
[10:47] <h3sp4wn> In england I believe they can now
[10:47] <Whamazoom> well in America.....thats way different, post 9-11 :(
[10:47] <hyper_ch> h3sp4wn: that would be against the ECHR
[10:48] <h3sp4wn> hyper_ch: there is terrorism stuff that goes against that
[10:48] <hyper_ch> a violation of art. 6 ECHR
[10:48] <Whamazoom> the FBI can take ANY info they want, without any probable cause....jsut come in here, and rip my Pc's from the wall.....
[10:48] <hyper_ch> h3sp4wn: nope,not really :)
[10:49] <hyper_ch> where is the code again for adding samba users
[10:49] <hyper_ch> lphst:  adding a(n existing) system user to samba:   sudo smbpasswd -a USER
[10:49] <Whamazoom> sudo smbpasswrd -a USER
[10:49] <hyper_ch> h3sp4wn: even terrorists are protected by the ECHR
[10:49] <h3sp4wn> hyper_ch: 2 years inside for not handing them over
[10:50] <Whamazoom> then : sudo /etc/init.d/samba restart
[10:50] <grazie> hyper_ch: ECHR would be ignored completely by Blair (an ex lawer) and his cronies if they had there way :(
[10:50] <hyper_ch> then go and sue the UK in Strasbourg
[10:50] <TheSheep> !ot | hyper_ch
[10:50] <ubotu> hyper_ch: #xubuntu is the Xubuntu support channel, #xubuntu-devel for discussion regarding development of Xubuntu, and #xubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome!
[10:51] <Whamazoom> USA sucks for privacy nowadays...
[10:51] <hyper_ch> Whamazoom: people should move out of the US :)
[10:51] <Whamazoom> Patriot act sucks
[10:51] <Whamazoom> alot of my friends are considering it
[10:52] <h3sp4wn> hyper_ch: http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2000/20000023.htm
[10:52] <Whamazoom> depending on how France goes with their new president
[10:52] <TheSheep> !ot | Whamazoom
[10:52] <hyper_ch> Canada is nice :)
[10:52] <ubotu> Whamazoom: #xubuntu is the Xubuntu support channel, #xubuntu-devel for discussion regarding development of Xubuntu, and #xubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome!
[10:52] <Whamazoom> I <3 Canada
[10:52] <TheSheep> guys, please
[10:52] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: when none is asking for help there is no need to point that out
[10:52] <lphst> thnx
[10:52] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: freenode has a policy of not talking about politics
[10:53] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: then I will be banned sometimes
[10:53] <Whamazoom> no matter where you go, Freedom of speech is dead :D j/k dont want to start any trouble
[10:53] <TheSheep> you can talk all you wnat on the ## channels
[10:54] <Whamazoom> I have only been kicked out of ##freebsd .... because I was not 1337 enough to talk to them... can you believe that?!
[10:55] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: where is that politics policy?
[10:55] <TheSheep> !freenode
[10:55] <ubotu> freenode is the IRC network that you're on! See http://freenode.net/faq.shtml
[10:55] <Whamazoom> 2mins remaining on tranfer of Legend of Drunken Master (divx)
[10:55] <h3sp4wn> !politics
[10:55] <ubotu> Plese take political discussion to ##politics. Thank you!
[10:56] <Whamazoom> /jon ##politics
[10:56] <Whamazoom> woops
[10:56] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: can't find anything there and neither in the Channel Guidelines
[10:57] <herzenstern> hi! how do get read write rights for my hda3 internal partition
[10:57] <h3sp4wn> become root ?
[10:58] <herzenstern> as user
[10:58] <hyper_ch> herzenstern: mount it, then chown/chmod it as root
[10:58] <hyper_ch> herzenstern: mount it, then chown it to your user
[10:58] <herzenstern> like chown -R 777 "/media"/hda3
[10:59] <herzenstern> i did it like that but i still cannot write to it
[10:59] <hyper_ch> herzenstern: nope, like sudo chown USER:USER /path/to/mounted/partition
[10:59] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: http://freenode.net/policy.shtml#offtopic
[11:00] <lphst> okay, I need help. I have to install sata-drive without formatting it (It's already ext3)
[11:01] <lphst> is it possible?
[11:01] <h3sp4wn> yes
[11:01] <lphst> how
[11:02] <h3sp4wn> plug it in an mount it
[11:02] <lphst> or if you can point me to some FAQ with answers that's fine too
[11:02] <TheSheep> !fstab | lphst
[11:02] <lphst> just add it to fstab?
[11:02] <ubotu> lphst: The /etc/fstab file indicates how drive partitions are to be used or otherwise integrated into the file system. See http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/fstab.html and !Partitions
[11:02] <h3sp4wn> is it external sata ?
[11:02] <Whamazoom> make sure you turn your cpu off before you plug it in though
[11:02] <lphst> no internal
[11:02] <lphst> it's supposed to be plugged
[11:02] <herzenstern> this is very complicated
[11:02] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: that's about unlawful activites :) and they give examples on that like warez and stuff :) just discussing outside unlawful activies does not fall within that restriction :)
[11:02] <lphst> where can i see if it's recognised by ubuntu
[11:03] <herzenstern> what does path mean
[11:03] <herzenstern> and to
[11:04] <h3sp4wn> lphst: dmesg | grep sd\[a-z\] 
[11:04] <lphst> h3sp4wn: thank you
[11:04] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: first, you never know when you start being offensive, second, check also the channel guidelines
[11:04] <h3sp4wn> lphst: maybe you will notice which manufacturer makes it or so
  what does path and to mean
[11:04] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: and third, read the whole paragraph, not just the first sentence
[11:05] <Whamazoom> Is it possible to remove the 4 desktops...and just have one, like windows?
[11:05] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: just as it says, guidelines are are guide-lines and not set policy :)
[11:05] <Whamazoom> nvm, figured it out
[11:06] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: the rest of the paragraph doesn't give much either... as discussions are not "invective"
[11:06] <hyper_ch> but then, this should be also argued in offtopic
[11:07] <Whamazoom> 8-)
[11:08] <Whamazoom> /who the Sheep
[11:08] <Whamazoom> damn
[11:08] <Whamazoom> /who TheSheep
[11:08] <Whamazoom> wtf.
[11:08] <Whamazoom> /who Whamazoom
[11:08] <Whamazoom> /info Whamazoom
[11:08] <Whamazoom> god I suck with IRC commands
[11:09] <hyper_ch> Whamazoom: TheSheep is all-knowing about xubuntu :) but sometimes hangs a bit too tight to guidelines :)
[11:09] <TheSheep> Whamazoom: you're one /who away from a kick
[11:09] <Whamazoom> ahh its /whois....
[11:09] <Whamazoom> kick me then TheSheep
[11:10] <TheSheep> please, are you really soo bored? :(
[11:10] <Whamazoom> no but you are lol for causing all this fuss
[11:11] <hyper_ch> Whamazoom: no reason for being offending
[11:13] <Whamazoom> hyper_ch: oh I see
[11:13] <hyper_ch> Whamazoom: TheSheep is just doing his job and keep the channel clean... however I am of the opinion that if there is none asking for help and stuff then it can be used also for offtopic stuff... otherwise it would be dead-boring here
[11:14] <Whamazoom> hyper_ch: lol very true, a dead IRC is no fun
[11:14] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: I'm also tryingto get more people into #xubuntu-offtopic ;)
[11:14] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: well, there is only a limited amount of channel that can sanely be opened and I have reachd that already
[11:15] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: LIES
[11:15] <hyper_ch> I'm in 12 channels
[11:15] <Whamazoom> lol
[11:16] <hyper_ch> on 4 networks
[11:17] <Whamazoom> I have a cpu monitor for xubuntu and every 1 second my cpu spikes to 70-80% cpu usage....I havent seen anything like this before
[11:18] <hyper_ch> for me it spikes not that often
[11:18] <TheSheep> Whamazoom: check the top to see what is it
[11:18] <hyper_ch> when I switch applicatiosn it spiked up to 100%
[11:18] <hyper_ch> it spikes for a blink
[11:18] <Whamazoom> TheSheep: the top?
[11:19] <TheSheep> Whamazoom: open terminal and type 'top'
[11:19] <hyper_ch> !top | Whamazoom
[11:19] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about top - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:19] <hyper_ch> what? top is not in the db?
[11:19] <h3sp4wn> atop is nice (even nicer if you bother with the kernel patch)
[11:19] <hyper_ch> h3sp4wn: or htop
[11:20] <h3sp4wn> hyper_ch: not as good as atop
[11:20] <hyper_ch> what can atop do more?
[11:20] <Whamazoom> xfce-4 batter -p is using 7-10% cpu usage every second
[11:20] <Whamazoom> battery*
[11:21] <hyper_ch> h3sp4wn: and you already know apt-file ?
[11:21] <h3sp4wn> hyper_ch: yes but what is apt-file to do with it ?
[11:21] <Whamazoom> there we go, the xfce battery monitor was taking a toll on my cpu
[11:21] <TheSheep> !bugs | Whamazoom
[11:21] <ubotu> Whamazoom: If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots
[11:21] <hyper_ch> h3sp4wn: nothing... just wondering if you know that program
[11:21] <h3sp4wn> hyper_ch: tells you which processes are responsible for disk / network load
[11:21] <hyper_ch> h3sp4wn: hmmm, that's nice
[11:23] <h3sp4wn> hyper_ch: apt-file used to be better (now you need -v all the time and the output is more messy)
[11:23] <h3sp4wn> it used to give a sensible indication of what it was doing
[11:23] <hyper_ch> h3sp4wn: are you an equal nerd like TheSheep?
[11:24] <hyper_ch> h3sp4wn: you know pstree?
[11:24] <h3sp4wn> hyper_ch: yes
[11:24] <Whamazoom> hmm, no mention of battery monitor using so much cpu% on http://bugs.ubuntu.com/
[11:24] <h3sp4wn> hyper_ch: a version of apt-file that worked like dlocate would be good
[11:24] <TheSheep> Whamazoom: then add it
[11:24] <Whamazoom> TheSheep: I am in the process :D
[11:25] <hyper_ch> h3sp4wn: what's dlocate?
[11:25] <h3sp4wn> !info dlocate
[11:25] <ubotu> dlocate: fast alternative to dpkg -L and dpkg -S. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.5-0.3 (feisty), package size 9 kB, installed size 112 kB
[11:26] <h3sp4wn> apt-file is too slow (most of the time I know what I want anyway)
[11:27] <hyper_ch> I just think if you compile something and it needs a file and you don't know in what library it is then apt-file is great
[11:27] <h3sp4wn> most of the time its in the README or INSTALL or whatever docs
[11:29] <SD-Jason> hi again folks -- im looking to install some kind of file manager that will let me use sftp -- ive used konqueror in the past on another distro, but i cant seem to find it in synaptic -- can someone point me in the right direction?
[11:30] <hyper_ch> SD-Jason: konqueror should be in the normal repos...
[11:30] <hyper_ch> SD-Jason: however konqueror is KDE/QT based and hence not optimized for Xfce/GTK2
[11:30] <hyper_ch> SD-Jason: however I use it also on my own :)
[11:31] <hyper_ch> SD-Jason: open a terminal and enter:   sudo aptitude install konqueror
[11:32] <SD-Jason> thanks hyper_ch
[11:33] <Whamazoom> alright bug is officially reported :)
[11:35] <SD-Jason> hyper_ch: do you happen to know the status of pidgin in the repos -- its not there - im more wondering when its comming
[11:35] <hyper_ch> SD-Jason: I don't know what it is
[11:38] <h3sp4wn> new name for gaim (apparantly)
[11:39] <hyper_ch> h3sp4wn: no clue... I use kopete
[11:39] <h3sp4wn> hyper_ch: I only know because I was helping someone compile it for uclibc earlier
[11:40] <hyper_ch> h3sp4wn:  ^^
[11:40] <h3sp4wn> !info pidgin gutsy
[11:40] <ubotu> Package pidgin does not exist in feisty
[11:41] <h3sp4wn> SD-Jason: You could try a backport from debian unstable if you wanted
[11:41] <SD-Jason> no thanks
[11:41] <SD-Jason> i'll wait for it to come into the repos
[11:41] <SD-Jason> :)
[11:41] <h3sp4wn> 6 months I guess then
[11:41] <SD-Jason> ok - fair enough
[11:42] <h3sp4wn> unless it goes into backports (but I don't like using backports they are not well tested)
[11:42] <SD-Jason> i use it in gentoo on another system, but this system is for a non gentoo user
[11:43] <h3sp4wn> I still haven't got my xfce looking as good as it did when I was using gentoo + xeffects
[11:48] <hyper_ch> h3sp4wn: the only thing I modded on my xfce is adding a background image changer
[11:49] <h3sp4wn> hyper_ch: I have loads of stuff changed on mine (compiled 4.4.1 from sid) added some patches to libxcb and cairo and freetype
[11:49] <h3sp4wn> still not right though
[11:49] <h3sp4wn> (but alot better than it was)
[11:50] <hyper_ch> whatever that all is :) do you always speak such techno-language? ^^
[11:51] <h3sp4wn> well I know - "moin"
[11:51] <h3sp4wn> is that techno language ?
[11:53] <h3sp4wn> hyper_ch: Only at work and online
[11:53] <hyper_ch> h3sp4wn: hehehe :)
[11:54] <hyper_ch> it's late here in CET
[11:54] <h3sp4wn> 11pm here
[11:54] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: I'd say it's getting early :)
[11:55] <hyper_ch> h3sp4wn: is your timezone now officially still called GMT or is it now UTC?
[11:55] <h3sp4wn> hyper_ch: BST
[11:55] <h3sp4wn> (summer so GMT+1)
[11:56] <hyper_ch> ah :)
[12:04] <hyper_ch> g'night everyone :)
[12:05] <h3sp4wn> night
[12:11] <Jester45> hi
[12:12] <h3sp4wn> hi
[12:15] <superkirbyartist> Anyone knows of an open source Java Runtime Environment for Firefox?
[12:15] <Jester45> gnash
[12:15] <Pumpernickel> That's Flash.
[12:15] <Jester45> oo
[12:15] <h3sp4wn> Is blackdown opensource ?
[12:15] <Jester45> here s\orry
[12:15] <Pumpernickel> Sun Java is open, now, at least mostly.
[12:15] <Jester45> yea sun or blackdown
[12:16] <h3sp4wn> !java
[12:16] <ubotu> To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository. Enable the backports repository on Edgy to install sun-java6-jre
[12:16] <Pumpernickel> There's also the Apache Harmony project, which is getting into RCs now.