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[04:20] <Mutantx> can anyone help me on how I can mount ChildFolder that's under //Server/ParentFolder to /mnt/ContentOfChildFolder ?
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[04:38] <sholsinger> Is there a way to get the live CD to boot into runlevel 3 or at least just install in text mode?  There doesn't seem to be an alternate install CD for edubuntu.  I assume I could use the ubuntu alternate CD and then do a sudo aptitude install edubuntu-desktop ?
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[04:45] <sholsinger> Is there a way to get the live CD to boot into runlevel 3 or at least just install in text mode?  There doesn't seem to be an alternate install CD for edubuntu.  I assume I could use the ubuntu alternate CD and then do a sudo aptitude install edubuntu-desktop ?
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[04:45] <Megaqwerty> sholsinger: what is your problem?
[04:46] <sholsinger> um, i'm trying to install edubuntu on an older machine
[04:46] <sholsinger> and I am having difficulty finding an alternate install cd for the distro.
[04:46] <Megaqwerty> sholsinger: no problem, I'll take a look
[04:47] <sholsinger> is there a way to add an argument to make the live cd load in runlevel 3 and then have it install from the shell?
[04:49] <Megaqwerty> I haven't actually installed edubuntu or used an alternate cd before...sorry. If it's a problem with edubuntu itself, I could probably help as it's based on ubuntu which I have quite a bit of experience with. I am still looking for an alternate iso for you.
[04:49] <sholsinger> Yeah, I was surprised to see that there were none listed on any of the mirrors.
[04:50] <Megaqwerty> There doesn't seem to be one. http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/ports/releases/feisty/release/
[04:50] <sholsinger> are you running ubuntu now?
[04:50] <Megaqwerty> yeah
[04:50] <sholsinger> can you check the repos to see if there is an edubuntu-desktop package?
[04:51] <Megaqwerty> good idea
[04:51] <Megaqwerty> there is
[04:51] <sholsinger> okay, so I can use the ubuntu alternate install Cd and then use aptitude to install the edubuntu package?
[04:51] <Megaqwerty> that's just what I was about to say
[04:52] <sholsinger> well it looks like we're thinking on the same lines :)
[04:52] <Megaqwerty> indeed
[04:52] <sholsinger> Alright, thank you for your time.
[04:52] <Megaqwerty> and based on what I know from installing kubuntu-desktop, you should be able to select it from the sessions menu
[04:52] <sholsinger> I'm not familiar with that
[04:52] <Megaqwerty> it's in the Login screen
[04:52] <sholsinger> oh, I see.
[04:53] <Megaqwerty> Under...Options I think
[04:53] <sholsinger> Cool, well I'll give it a try and if it works, I shall blog about it.  or post it in the docs.
[04:53] <sholsinger> or both.
[04:53] <Megaqwerty> Cool, good luck!
[04:53] <sholsinger> Thanks.
[04:54] <sholsinger> one last thing...
[04:54] <sholsinger> Do you know by chance where I can go to make a suggestion to the developers?
[04:56] <Megaqwerty> no, I wouldn't
[04:56] <sholsinger> ok, I think I may have found it
[04:56] <Megaqwerty> okay, good luck once again!
[05:01] <bimberi> sholsinger: the edubuntu-devel mailing list would be the place - https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/edubuntu-devel
[05:02] <sholsinger> thank you bimberi :)
[05:02] <bimberi> sholsinger: yw :)
[05:04] <sholsinger> bimberi: how is it that your hostname is not like <IP_ADDRESS>.area.network.net or something of that nature?
[05:05] <bimberi> sholsinger: Freenode provide me with a cloak
[05:05] <bimberi> !cloak | sholsinger
[05:05] <ubotu> sholsinger: Tor & other common anonymizing proxies get abused to attack & spam Ubuntu channels, so they're blocked. Get a cloak from Freenode instead, and stop wasting your time with Tor: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#cloaks
[05:06] <sholsinger> bimberi: thx again :)
[05:06] <bimberi> sholsinger: yw again :)
[05:17] <sholsinger> the only difference between ubuntu and edubuntu is that it has extra learning-oriented packages installed, right?
[05:22] <Megaqwerty> and a different theme, I believe
[05:23] <Megaqwerty> Sorry, I thought I was done in here :-[
[05:24] <Megaqwerty> I'm sure you can find all of the differences on www.edubuntu.com
[05:24] <Megaqwerty> (If you need future help, please use my nick in your message so that gaim will alert me to your question.)
[05:27] <sholsinger> Megaqwerty, I was really just aiming that question to anyone who was still awake in the channel :)
[05:28] <Megaqwerty> Ah, very well then.
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=== Topic for #edubuntu: Order: http://shipit.edubuntu.org || Edubuntu - the education version of Ubuntu || http://www.edubuntu.org | Wiki: http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuWiki | MEETING: every Wednesday see http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuMeetingAgenda | feisty (7.04) is released ! grab it while its hot ! http://www.edubuntu.org/Download | Upgraders see: https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuLTSPUpgradeNotes
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[08:28] <sampbar> hi all
[08:28] <HedgeMage> hello
[08:31] <sampbar> basically ive come here to ask a couple of questions...
[08:31] <HedgeMage> go for it... I may be slow to respond, though... I'm working
[08:32] <sampbar> i have joint problems which inhibits my ability to use a pen/write in school so i use a laptop (phillips x53) im running ubuntu on my home laptop and XP on my school laptop. But XP is starting to get slow/clogged up now and i will have to reinstall during the summer so...
[08:32] <sampbar> (tell me if its cut off)
[08:33] <sampbar> i was wondering whether it would be worth trying edubuntu and whether it would be suitable for my needs (basically word processor, excel & graphics editor) and it needs to be a fast boot up
[08:34] <HedgeMage> sampbar: if you are worried about speed, I would try Xubuntu, then just add on any educational packages you need.
[08:35] <HedgeMage> the window manager in xubuntu (xfce) is much lighter/faster than Gnome (the default wm in Edubuntu and Ubuntu)
[08:35] <sampbar> yep ok
[08:35] <HedgeMage> Also, you can't run excel on Ubuntu, but you can run OpenOffice Calc, which does the same thing, and can even read/write excel files if needed.
[08:36] <sampbar> the other thing is, is there a 3d drawing thingy like google sketch up for ubuntu?
[08:37] <sampbar> (very technical terms i know lol)
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[08:40] <HedgeMage> I don't know what google sketch does, but there is a great 3d modeling app called blender
[08:41] <HedgeMage> blender was used to do some of the early work for Spider Man 2 for example
[08:42] <cmonkey> blender is more a match for 3dmax/Maya
[08:42] <sampbar> ok... basically sketchup you draw your item in 2d then it makes it easier to change it in to 3d
[08:42] <cmonkey> sketchup is more of an easy architecture tool
[08:42] <cmonkey> not sure of any linux alternatives
[08:42] <cmonkey> there are a lot of CAD apps, but they would be more in depth than a sketchup replacement
[08:43] <sampbar> its not essential... i can use my graphics tablet if need be
[08:45] <cmonkey> wings3d is a sort of easy 3d modelling tool, not really for architecture though, if that was what you wanted
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[08:47] <sampbar> its more for technical drawings in resistant materials (tech)
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[10:01] <effie_jayx> is there a way of instaling edubuntu on really old hardware :(
[10:01] <effie_jayx> we don't have server we can use yet
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[10:07] <lns> Hey all!
[10:08] <sampbar> hi
[10:08] <lns> Can anyone verify that the instructions for upgrading the chroot for Edubuntu Feisty (at https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuLTSPUpgradeNotes) is the same for Ubuntu? If not, can anyone throw me a link? I can't seem to find Ubuntu specific LTSP chroot upgrade instructions.
[10:24] <sampbar> bye all
[10:41] <anco> Hey all
[10:42] <anco> Is there anybody who can explain me the beneficial of downloading CD2 server addon cd
[10:42] <anco> I tried it. on edubuntu website there is only written that it's easy to install cd2
[10:43] <anco> well if I put it in my edubuntuserver nothing happens
[10:43] <anco> If i look around in the cd the autostart.exe ???? .exe??? doesn't do anything
[10:45] <anco> if I try to set it as a source to install things with synaptic than it isn't clear to me what programs will come from the cd2
[10:45] <anco> I can't figure out yet what cd2 has to offer me
[10:47] <anco> Normally I use synaptic to install whatever else I need from the internetdepots
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[11:20] <lns> hey everyone...
[11:21] <lns> I just upgraded my AMD64 server to Feisty..and just did 'rm -r /opt/ltsp/i386', then 'ltsp-build-client --arch i386'. ltsp-build-client ended "abnormally" after this:
[11:22] <lns> ln: creating symbolic link `/dev/fd' to `/proc/self/fd': File exists
[11:22] <lns> error: LTSP client installation ended abnormally
[11:22] <lns> But above that it says:
[11:22] <lns> I: Configuring console-tools...
[11:22] <lns> I: Configuring ubuntu-minimal...
[11:22] <lns> I: Base system installed successfully.
[11:22] <lns> perl: warning: Setting locale failed.
[11:22] <lns> perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings:
[11:22] <lns>         LANGUAGE = "en_US:en",
[11:22] <lns>         LC_ALL = "en_US.UTF-8",
[11:22] <lns>         LANG = "en_US.UTF-8"
[11:22] <lns>     are supported and installed on your system.
[11:22] <lns> ...
[11:22] <lns> is this cause for concern?
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[11:36] <lns> ltsp-update-kernels seems to be borked as well...
[11:36] <lns> $ sudo ltsp-update-kernels
[11:36] <lns> Password:
[11:36] <lns> Updating tftp directories for chroot: /opt/ltsp/i386
[11:36] <lns> Skipping yaboot configuration. install yaboot package if you need it.
[11:36] <lns> Skipping PXE configuration.  Install the syslinux package if you need it.
[11:36] <lns> lns@UbuntuServer:~$
[11:36] <lns> syslinux is installed....i dunno what's up
[11:48] <lns>  ln: creating symbolic link `/dev/fd' to `/proc/self/fd': File exists
[11:48] <lns> <lns> error: LTSP client installation ended abnormally
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