[12:14] <martalli> kingcobra:  qtparted is essentially parted with a qt/kde interface.  I don't know if there is any large difference from gparted.  The mepis installer uses qtparted and seems to work very well
[12:15] <martalli> superkirbyartist:  There is an open source java clone in the repos
[12:15] <kingcobra> martalli, thanks very much
[12:15] <superkirbyartist> Martalli: How do I install it for Firefox?
[12:16] <martalli> superkirbyartist:  I am not entirely sure.  Are you having a problem with the Sun java?
[12:16] <superkirbyartist> Martalli: I'd just like the open source java.
[12:16] <rmd_> in krdc, when i type in the ip of the desktop i need to connect to, it won't let me click connect to do so...
[12:16] <siegie> does amarok works in feisty,  it keeps on crashing when i try to play some music
[12:16] <Daisuke_Ido> it works great
[12:17] <biovore> siegie: P4 with Hyper Threading?
[12:17] <Agiofws> hello
[12:18] <Supaplex> ohhh crap. I purged vmware-player, as it was uninstalled anyway, but it wiped out my vmware-server setup.  How can I recover?
[12:18] <superkirbyartist> !test
[12:18] <ubotu> Failed
[12:18] <Agiofws> this guy want to default click to -----------------------> konqueror can you guys help
[12:18] <Agiofws> he removed nautilus
[12:18] <superkirbyartist> !test
[12:18] <Agiofws> and now
[12:18] <siegie> biovore: yes
[12:18] <superkirbyartist> !nautilus
[12:18] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about nautilus - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:18] <Agiofws> it tries to open up files woth vlc :{
[12:18] <Agiofws> it tries to open up files woth vlc :P
[12:18] <siegie> biovore: is there a solution?
[12:19] <martalli> Agiofws:  I am still not sure what your problem is?  Do you mean that movies are opening with vlc instead of kaffeine?
[12:19] <biovore> siegie: don't run HT..  I had that problem with edgy and dapper as well
[12:19] <Agiofws> martalli,  NO files are
[12:19] <biovore> siegie: you could build it from source.. that worked better for me..
[12:20] <martalli> Agiofws:  From konq, right click ont he file, shoose "open with".  Form there, pick the desired program you want to open the files with - there will be a box to say "open all files with this program from now on" or something similar, check the box and kde will remember
[12:21] <Agiofws> ok
[12:22] <TheDebugger> Bonsoir Julien! :D
[12:22] <TheDebugger> :/
[12:23] <pheaver> to get sounds working in gaim, shouldn't i install gstreamer?
[12:24] <pheaver> note; i have KDE's sound system disabled
[12:24] <maki> hi
[12:24] <maki> can i say this
[12:24] <kingcobra> martalli, any idea why qtparted keeps crashing when i select my ntfs external hd
[12:24] <maki> 09-f9-11-02-9d-74-e3-5b-d8-41-56-c5-63-56-88-c0 :)
[12:24] <biovore> lol
[12:24] <pheaver> haha
[12:24] <pheaver> that's a classified number, sir, you're going to jail
[12:24] <biovore> rgr lolz
[12:24] <maki> lol
[12:24] <biovore> get it printed on a shirt..
[12:25] <maki> our lug is going to do that
[12:25] <martalli> kingcobra:  Make sure the drive is not mounted in any way when you open it with a partition editor
[12:25] <martalli> pheaver:  I think it is pratically int he poublic domain now
[12:25] <martalli> lol
[12:25] <pheaver> practically?
[12:26] <Dragnslcr> Is there any automagical way to have shell commands like ping and ssh be able to resolve NetBIOS names?
[12:26] <pheaver> i'd say it's been shoved up the public domain's arse
[12:26] <martalli> pheaver:  lol
[12:26] <pheaver> i can't get away from it :)
[12:26] <pheaver> any idea why sounds don't work in gaim?
[12:26] <martalli> Every page on digg had that for a title - it pushed my article off the main page (and my only front page posting on digg ever )
[12:26] <pheaver> awwww
[12:27] <Dragnslcr> pheaver- what method are you using for playing sounds?
[12:27] <pheaver> "Automatic" lol
[12:27] <kai> what command do I use to see what file system are on a device? I want to us Amarok to access my Creative Zen Vision
[12:28] <pheaver> i have arts disabled, and gstreamer instaleld
[12:28] <pheaver> in gentoo, i remember getting gaim sounds to work by installing gstreamer and plugins
[12:28] <pheaver> kai: cfdisk or mount
[12:28] <pheaver> kai: depending on what exactly you want
[12:28] <Dragnslcr> I use "Command" and "artsplay %s"
[12:28] <Dragnslcr> Dunno what the command would be to use gstreamer
[12:29] <pheaver> Dragnlscr: yeah, that's what I used to use... but then you can't control the volume in gaim
[12:29] <kai> Well Like I said I have a creative zen, I can use gnomad2 but i cant creates folders and i wanted to use amarok
[12:29] <pheaver> i think gaim sounds work when i have arts on, but arts i don't like so i disable it
[12:29] <pheaver> kai: so you want to mount it maybe?
[12:29] <kai> yes
[12:30] <pheaver> kai: ah ok, so use the mount command
[12:30] <kai> pheaver: LIke My ipod has like 3 file systems
[12:30] <siegie> biovore: i had to execute /usr/lib/amarok/install-mp3
[12:30] <pheaver> oh....
[12:30] <pheaver> then you can see which one is which by using cfdisk
[12:30] <pheaver> cfdisk /dev/whatever...
[12:30] <biovore> siegie: ah.. ok.. I assumed you had working codecs :-P
[12:30] <kai> Thats a cool command
[12:31] <TheDebugger> sudo apt-get install libxine-extracodecs?
[12:31] <siegie> biovore: i assumed it to, i had installed ubuntu-multimedia-kde from seveas repo's ubuntu-nl with
[12:31] <Agiofws> martalli,   he did that but it stsill insists to open text files with VLC :P
[12:32] <Agiofws> any other idea ?
[12:32] <Agiofws> sould he restart kde ?
[12:32] <kai> siegie: does that only apply to internal drivers
[12:32] <kai> When i run it doens't show up
[12:32] <robert__> why not?
[12:32] <kingcobra> martalli, thanks very much
[12:32] <n8k99> how do i network sound from one computer to another?
[12:33] <Minataku> n8k99: Very long wires
[12:33] <Minataku> j/k
[12:33] <n8k99> hehe
[12:33] <siegie> kai: drivers?
[12:33] <n8k99> no really
[12:33] <Minataku> I can't say, never done it
[12:34] <Minataku> Probably need some kind of sound middle-man
[12:34] <n8k99> there is an option in systemsettings that makes it appear that its possible
[12:34] <kai> siegie: this is what shows up when I do a lsusb
[12:34] <kai> Bus 004 Device 018: ID 041e:4153 Creative Technology, Ltd
[12:34] <kai> phTheres another cmd for actually showing what fs is on it like my ipod. i just don't rmeber what it is
[12:35] <Minataku> I wish it didn't get so hot in my room, I want to run my SPARCstation LX
[12:35] <BluesKaj> n8k99, how do you want to network ..wireless, or cat5 or digital to an audio device
[12:35] <Minataku> But that thing will heat things up good
[12:35] <n8k99> cat5
[12:35] <Minataku> Heya, BluesKaj
[12:35] <siegie> kai i don't had a driver problem i only had a problem with my codecs.
[12:35] <BluesKaj> hiya Minataku
[12:35] <Minataku> BluesKaj: http://s95018220.onlinehome.us/random/wincrashes/unstab81.png :3
[12:36] <Minataku> Bring back any painful memories? XD
[12:36] <BluesKaj> Minataku:  :)
[12:36] <Minataku> Snapped that with QEMU
[12:36] <pebo_> Hi all, is there any way to start a new kde-session over the terminal?
[12:36] <scanman> selam arkadalar
[12:36] <scanman> trk varm aranzda
[12:37] <BluesKaj> still have an XP partition ... like an addiction , can't let go
[12:37] <Minataku> Uh oh... another Turk... there's very little Turkish assistance available around here
[12:37] <Minataku> I hope this one speaks English XD
[12:37] <BluesKaj> altho I'm not too enthused with feisty on my setup, so far.
[12:37] <Minataku> Otherwise we're boned like last time X3
[12:37] <Minataku> BluesKaj: That was from Windows 3.1
[12:37] <pebo_> Nobody knows a command to launch a new session in kubuntu?
[12:38] <pebo_> I know there is one in ubuntu.
[12:38] <Filthpig> !medibuntu
[12:38] <ubotu> medibuntu is a repository of packages that cannot be included into the Ubuntu distribution for legal reasons - See http://medibuntu.sos-sts.com/
[12:38] <blueyed> Can you please take a look if you have a first level entry "Power Control" in you "kcontrol"? (Alt-F2 then enter "kcontrol")
[12:38] <kai> siegie: I dont' have a driver prob
[12:39] <BluesKaj> Filthpig: it's rally busy and was down for a while this morning
[12:39] <wequenum> i just got an old laptop, and it blew up.
[12:39] <Agiofws> he double clicks on  folder text file and it opens it with VLC any kde guru around to fix this ?
[12:39] <kai> siegie: I cna't directly access the device. No drag and drop, I can use the device in Amarok I just don't how
[12:39] <Agiofws> this is STIPID
[12:39] <scanman> have kubuntu for dictionary trkish-english
[12:40] <Filthpig> BluesKaj: I just remembered that I've already added the medibuntu repos :p
[12:40] <Minataku> scanman: I have no idea. Have you checked Google for an online one?
[12:40] <pebo_> nobody _ever_ tried to launch a new x-session over a terminal?
[12:40] <wequenum> redmond just got wiped off the face of the earth, no more windoze
[12:40] <scanman> ok thanks
[12:40] <Minataku> scanman: Sorry I couldn't help too well
[12:40] <wequenum> im domb
[12:41] <Minataku> pebo_: I've only launched individual programs over SSH
[12:41] <wequenum> edit: i'm dumb
[12:41] <Minataku> Never all of X
[12:41] <Filthpig> but while I'm here, just a quick Q: Is it possible to resize an existing NTFS partition and use the freed space to create an ext3 partition?
[12:41] <Filthpig> without risk of losing any data
[12:41] <Minataku> Filthpig: No
[12:41] <pepiyo> l
[12:41] <Minataku> It's possible to do the former
[12:41] <wequenum> Once upon a time, the end.
[12:42] <Minataku> The latter is never guaranteed
[12:42] <Filthpig> :s
[12:42] <pebo_> Minataku: You know.. there is this nice button in ubuntu and kubuntu.. its called `Switch User' or whatsoever.. i'm just looking for a command line tool for exactly the same thing.
[12:42] <wequenum> whatsoever?
[12:42] <pebo_> s/command line tool/command/
[12:42] <Filthpig> trying to convince a friend to install *ubuntu, but he's 100% ntfs'd
[12:42] <Minataku> pebo_: Oh, you mean like to log out?
[12:42] <wequenum> who cares
[12:42] <Minataku> I don't think you can switch users in a VT
[12:42] <Filthpig> maybe I'll give him my old 40gb just to be nice o:)
[12:43] <Minataku> Filthpig: Heehee
[12:43] <Daisuke_Ido> wequenum: what are you trolling on about?
[12:43] <wequenum> kick me out
[12:43] <biovore> pebo_: you mean sudo -s <username> ?
[12:43] <Minataku> Filthpig: Fact is, it can be resized somewhat safely
[12:43] <Minataku> biovore: Doh... my brain fails it
[12:43] <Minataku> lol
[12:43] <pebo_> biovore: no, no.. I'm talking about starting a new x-session..
[12:43] <Minataku> There's also su
[12:44] <Minataku> pebo_: You can restart X with Ctrl+Alt+BkSp
[12:44] <Minataku> Which should drop you back to KDM
[12:44] <pebo_> Minataku: hehe! sure, but then I'll loose my sesseion!
[12:44] <Minataku> Where it will request you to log in
[12:44] <Minataku> pebo_: X3
[12:44] <Minataku> Oh, I get it now
[12:44] <wequenum> numenoquenchumipaxel
[12:44] <Minataku> Like Windows' "Switch User"
[12:44] <wequenum> nope
[12:44] <pebo_> EXACTLY
[12:44] <Minataku> That's a damn good question
[12:44] <pebo_> like the darn quad-thing in apple osx.
[12:45] <Daisuke_Ido> wequenum: no need to troll here, we get it, you're a douche.
[12:45] <Minataku> And like most damn good questions, I have no damn answer
[12:45] <pebo_> s/quad/cube/
[12:45] <Minataku> XD
[12:45] <wequenum> i will be leaving in 3...
[12:45] <wequenum> i will be leaving in 2...
[12:45] <wequenum> i will be leaving in 1...
[12:45] <wequenum> oops
[12:45] <pebo_> funny, though, every ubuntu has this funny button but people here are not using it?
[12:46] <Filthpig> Minataku: I don't think "somewhat" is good enough :s he has tons of stuff on his computer
[12:46] <wequenum> what
[12:46] <vviz\lappy> Going to buy a new laptop. Always used Nvidia cards, but the models that are attractive to me now have ATI cards. Anyone know the status of ATI drivers atm? Are they good now, or is NVIDIA the safe way to go, to have OpenGL work well?
[12:46] <wequenum> q
[12:46] <wequenum> w
[12:46] <wequenum> e
[12:46] <Filthpig> trying to get him to try vmware, though
[12:46] <wequenum> r
[12:46] <wequenum> t
[12:46] <wequenum> y
[12:46] <wequenum> u
[12:46] <wequenum> i
[12:46] <Filthpig> just to get to know linux
[12:46] <wequenum> o
[12:46] <Daisuke_Ido> !ops
[12:46] <wequenum> p
[12:46] <ubotu> Help! Riddell, fdoving, Mez, jpatrick, seth_k, apokryphos, nalioth, Hobbsee, robotgeek, imbrandon, gnomefreak, Hawkwind, trappist, LjL, Jucato,  haggai, fooishbar, crimsun, seth, apokryphos, DBO, or nixternal
[12:47] <Daisuke_Ido> Filthpig: a 40gb drive should be plenty for him to get to know linux, and he's still got read-access to his ntfs drives
[12:47] <Minataku> Nice work, nixternal
[12:47] <Daisuke_Ido> thanks nixternal
[12:47] <Minataku> vviz\lappy: Status of ATI is completely unacceptible
[12:47] <Minataku> Do not buy any laptop using an ATI card.
[12:47] <Filthpig> Daisuke_Ido: isn't there a way to read a "real" disk from a VM-image?
[12:48] <Filthpig> Minataku: lol, my laptop uses -unichrome-.......
[12:48] <Daisuke_Ido> nvidia is good, and although it pains me to say this, intel is probably a good choice as well
[12:48] <Minataku> Filthpig: Provided the emulator is capable of accessing physical devices, tes
[12:48] <vviz\lappy> Minataku: Ok.Know anything about the Intel integrated things? I dont need much performance, but enough to run google earth, beryl etc.. Been loyal to Nvidia for oh so many years now, but I really cant find the laptops I want with anything but Intel or ATI :(
[12:48] <Admiral_Chicago> !offtopic
[12:48] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[12:49] <Daisuke_Ido> vviz\lappy: got an intel 915 and beryl runs just great
[12:49] <Minataku> Admiral_Chicago: Dude, don't be a jerk
[12:49] <Minataku> He wants a good laptop to use Kubuntu on
[12:49] <Filthpig> vviz\lappy: Dell will come with ubuntu soon.. :)
[12:49] <Minataku> That's plenty on-topic
[12:50] <Dragnslcr> Hm, I'm checking out qemu. Is there any way to start a VM and let it run in the background without having to keep the window open?
[12:50] <Minataku> The last thing we want is for him to buy a laptop with an ATI card and he'll be screwed
[12:50] <vviz\lappy> Ok. Sounds sweet. I'll look more into it tomorrow. Thanks a bunch. Filthpig: Yeah I know. It's a step in the very right direction (at last!). But I cant wait for it.
[12:50] <Admiral_Chicago> Minataku: i'm not trying to be a jerk, this is a support channel. if you are having issues with something. I can see the argument for it being on topic however
[12:50] <ori> vviz\lappy: i have an intel integrated, and it's ver smooth with beryl and everything.
[12:50] <Admiral_Chicago> but yes, Intel chipset is the way to go.
[12:50] <Minataku> Or nVidia if possible
[12:51] <ori> i have a .deb that's not on any repository (pidgin, actually). when i dpkg -i it complains about a bunch of unmet dependencies. do i have to apt-get them by hand, or is there a way to have dpkg retrieve them automatically?
[12:51] <Minataku> ori: Toss it
[12:51] <Admiral_Chicago> ori: apt-get build-dep gaim
[12:51] <vviz\lappy> Thanks a lot, Intel it will be then. Yes of course. Nvidia would be great. But I'm looking for a sleek (Maximum 14"), with Core2dou, minimum 1GB RAM, and DVI connector. Can't find any with NVIDIA. At least not without it exceeding my budget :(
[12:51] <ori> vviz\lappy: good luck!
[12:52] <ori> Minataku: why?
[12:52] <ori> Admiral_Chicago: ah, cool!
[12:52] <vviz\lappy> Thanks, and good night :)
[12:52] <Admiral_Chicago> that will get all the gaim dependencies
[12:52] <Minataku> ori: If it still quotes deps
[12:52] <Minataku> Bin the .deb
[12:52] <Dragnslcr> I installed the Windows version of Pidgin on my computer at work. They messed a couple things from the last Gaim beta
[12:52] <Minataku> Because it'll just put you into Dependency Hell
[12:53] <astan> hmf. i was just going to suggest to him the fujitsu siemens si1520, it's the one i've got now and i'm very happy with it.
[12:54] <ori> okay, i just won't mess with it then. but for future reference, is there a way to build-dep on .deb files?
[12:54] <ori> apt-get build-dep gaim works for pidgin, because they've got the same dependencies.. but suppose i just got a .deb of some random app.
[12:55] <Minataku> ori: Really you should only get packages from known-good repositories
[12:55] <luca> hi everyone
[12:55] <ori> hi luca
[12:55] <Minataku> Otherwise you can end up with some headaches with packages demanding their distro's packages
[12:55] <Admiral_Chicago> ori: not if the .deb isn't from a repository you have
[12:55] <luca> please can someone help me making a samsung printer function?
[12:55] <ori> ahh... i see....
[12:56] <ori> !someone | luca
[12:56] <ubotu> luca: A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?
[12:56] <luca> I am going mad...linux drivers present, still my CLP 510 does not function
[12:56] <Minataku> I fixed my printer yesterday, I had to take it apart from top to bottom to get to the feed train/print assembly
[12:56] <Minataku> All to superglue a plastic gear back together
[12:56] <Minataku> lol
[12:56] <luca> :p
[12:57] <ori> Minataku: printers are some of the most fallible and least satisfying pieces of hardware
[12:57] <luca> recognized, the CUPS server seem to think it sends the printing order but the printer does not get it
[12:57] <Minataku> Hey, it works again
[12:57] <ori> Minataku: like, you rarely hear someone go, "man, i love my printer!"
[12:57] <Minataku> So I'm happy
[12:57] <Minataku> ori: lol
[12:57] <luca> ori: I am gonna say that as soon as I see a printed page... :)
[12:57] <Admiral_Chicago> !printer
[12:57] <ubotu> Printing in Ubuntu is done with cups. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Printers - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsPrinters - http://linuxprinting.org - Printer sharing: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkPrintingFromWindows
[12:58] <Minataku> I have to say, if not for the gear breaking and the poor maintenance design, I like the printer
[12:58] <Minataku> Lexmark X83 All-in-One
[12:58] <ori> it's been a while since i set up cups, but let's take a look
[12:58] <Minataku> It's just a pain in the ass if you have to do anything with the feed train/print assembly
[12:58] <luca> the driver installation SEEMS to go smooth
[12:58] <Minataku> Since you literally have to take every piece off to get to it XD
[12:58] <ori> Minataku: funny you should say, i've got an ancient laser ppt Lexmark Optra E and it was wonderful. i bequeathed to it a friend when i left town (i was running out of space) but apparently it's still going strong.
[12:59] <Minataku> The last piece is the bottom of the printer where everything is bolted to
[12:59] <ori> luca: are you using the cups web interface?
[12:59] <luca> I use the kcontrol module and I load the CLP-510 driver w/o any problem...
[12:59] <Minataku> The piece above is the feed train XD
[12:59] <ori> i've only ever used cups on a slackware machine.
[12:59] <luca> well that and a direct usb interface
[12:59] <luca> neither functions
[12:59] <Minataku> luca: Is the printer in proper operating state?
[12:59] <Minataku> Is it plugged in/turned on/online?
[01:00] <Minataku> It's easier to forget these with a printer
[01:00] <Minataku> I've done it countless times
[01:00] <Minataku> "Why the hell isn't this piece of %^#! working!? Oh... it's not turned on..."
[01:00] <Minataku> Followed by a facepalm and silence
[01:00] <luca> Minataku: my mother is currently printing hundreds of pages with that same printer from xp
[01:01] <luca> definitely not a hardware problem :)
[01:01] <Minataku> lol
[01:01] <Minataku> Just checking ;3
[01:01] <Admiral_Chicago> Minataku: now you are offtopic
[01:01] <luca> anybody got any ideas about what to check?
[01:01] <Minataku> Admiral_Chicago: I'm trying to explain the reason for asking, so it's not taken as offensive
[01:02] <luca> not offended :)
[01:02] <Minataku> Cool ^^
[01:02] <ori> i'm deeply offended
[01:02] <Minataku> Also cool
[01:02] <Minataku> XD
[01:02] <Minataku> j/k, BTW X3
[01:02] <Minataku> luca: I'm out of questions, I've never set up CUPS so I'm spent here XD
[01:03] <luca> thanks anyway ;)
[01:03] <luca> nobody else?
[01:03] <luca> oh and i forgot, tried to set it up both in gnome and kde, to no avail :(
[01:10] <kjdis> I'm having a disk problem and my filesystem is mounted read-only, and when I try to remount it says the device is write-protected, how can I get around this?  I don't really care if the disk is failing right now
[01:11] <Minataku> kjdis: Should I assume it's a HDD?
[01:11] <kjdis> yeah sorry
[01:11] <Minataku> Just checking
[01:11] <Minataku> lol
[01:12] <Minataku> This is a disk with a Linux filesystem?
[01:12] <kjdis> yes, the root /
[01:12] <Minataku> Were there any complaints from the kernel/init when you were booting?
[01:12] <kjdis> yes
[01:12] <Minataku> Ah
[01:12] <Minataku> What were they, by chance?
[01:13] <kjdis> CRC, etc, from what I think the driver itself makes it write-protected, I wanna get around that
[01:14] <Minataku> kjdis: Type dmesg | less in an xterm and tell me what the error is
[01:14] <Minataku> If it's in there, it should be
[01:14] <kjdis> Does it matter?
[01:14] <Minataku> Yes
[01:14] <Minataku> It matters quite a bit what the message is
[01:14] <kjdis> hda: dma_intr: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error }
[01:14] <dogatemycomputer> hahahhaaha
[01:14] <Minataku> Ignore it
[01:14] <Minataku> That's benign
[01:14] <kjdis> hda: dma_intr: error=0x84 { DriveStatusError BadCRC }
[01:14] <Minataku> That's not
[01:15] <kjdis> I really don't even care what might be wrong with the disk
[01:15] <Minataku> Let me Google into this for you
[01:15] <kjdis> I just want to use the system
[01:15] <kjdis> "The fix is to do the initial loop mount rw, or to set up loop using losetup
[01:16] <kjdis> but no -r option passed losetup.
[01:16] <kjdis> I found that but I don't understand it
[01:16] <Minataku> lol
[01:16] <Minataku> kjdis: Well, I believe the drive is close to death
[01:16] <kjdis> heh I don't care :)
[01:17] <Minataku> kjdis: Look in there for anything elsr
[01:17] <Minataku> If you want, pastebin your whole dmesg
[01:17] <Minataku> I'll go through it for you
[01:17] <kjdis> ah if you don't know already it prob won't help you
[01:18] <Minataku> Not true
[01:18] <Minataku> I want to see if there's any more info
[01:18] <Minataku> Before I give you the bill of health for the drive
[01:18] <kjdis> I don't want that :)
[01:18] <Minataku> lol
[01:18] <kjdis> I just need someone who knows a way to force the driver to let me mount it rw
[01:18] <Minataku> It probably needs to have fsck run over it
[01:19] <Minataku> To correct whatever inconsistencies exist in the FS
[01:19] <kjdis> I could do that with a boot CD I guess
[01:19] <Minataku> Typically a failing drive won't be the reason it's RO'd
[01:19] <Minataku> It's an error in the fs
[01:19] <kjdis> well the driver has locked out remounts
[01:19] <Supaplex> could be a flakey controller
[01:20] <Minataku> kjdis: Is this an older system?
[01:20] <kjdis> yeah whatever it may be, it's gotta be something at the device driver level that has set the drive as write-protected
[01:20] <kjdis> no it's not that old
[01:20] <Minataku> kjdis: I'd really like the dmesg output
[01:20] <Minataku> Give it a onceover to see if I can help you
[01:21] <Minataku> If I knew who and/or why it's being flagged bad, it would really help
[01:21] <kjdis> ok
[01:22] <kjdis> for your own amusement heh
[01:22] <kjdis> actually I can't get it all
[01:22] <Minataku> Sure ya can
[01:22] <kjdis> too long and that box has no X or anything
[01:22] <Minataku> Open it in kedit
[01:22] <Minataku> Select All
[01:22] <Minataku> Copy, Paste
[01:23] <Minataku> Just like Windows
[01:23] <BluesKaj> saw an article praising the attributes of 'Automatix" on ZDNet . They're abunch of windows promoters IMO : http://education.zdnet.com/?p=1040
[01:23] <kjdis> I'll make a file and FTP it over if you really wanna see it
[01:23] <kjdis> heheh read-onjly filesystem that won't work either :)
[01:24] <sdlnxgk> got a problem... today I wanted to try out my new DVD player and watch a movie on my nice 24" LCD but the DVD will not play!!
[01:24] <Sanne> !pastebin | kjdis
[01:24] <ubotu> kjdis: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[01:24] <kjdis> I have to get the info off the box, not as easy as it sounds when you have no X, read-only filesystem
[01:25] <kjdis> I'll try increasing the scrollback on my SSH client
[01:25] <neko__> Holas
[01:25] <Minataku> kjdis: Got a floppy drive? :3
[01:25] <Minataku> That shouldn't be RO
[01:25] <neko__> Alguiej habal espa;ol
[01:25] <Minataku> !es | neko__
[01:25] <ubotu> neko__: Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[01:25] <Minataku> At most the kernel will complain that it can't add it to /etc/mtab
[01:25] <Minataku> But that's no biggie
[01:26] <kjdis> got it: http://pastebin.ca/478024
[01:26] <kjdis> no floppy or CD-ROM on that box
[01:26] <Minataku> Sweet
[01:27] <Minataku> Let's hope this helps
[01:27] <kjdis> enjoy it :P
[01:27] <neko__> ok gracias
[01:27] <kjdis> how about a diff question, what's the best way for me to clone this drive off to another?  If I use G4L will the hdd sizes need to match?
[01:29] <Minataku> kjdis: Yeah, your drive is on it's way out, and it would seem that it's been mounted RO because important parts of the fs seem to be lost
[01:29] <Minataku> You need to fsck it
[01:29] <Minataku> And pray that it works
[01:29] <Minataku> But it might already be a lost cause
[01:29] <kjdis> What important parts?  It's a functional system
[01:29] <Minataku> kjdis: The journal, for one
[01:30] <Minataku> Which records filesystem data transactions
[01:30] <Minataku> In the event power is lost or some similar event causes the kernel and the fs to lose each other
[01:30] <Minataku> kjdis: It just started doing this, right?
[01:31] <kjdis> yesterday I think, I hadn't fired it up in awhile
[01:31] <Minataku> Hm
[01:31] <Minataku> Yeah, I'm thinking the drive is on it's way out
[01:31] <kjdis> So did you figure out a way to workaround the driver lock out? :)
[01:31] <Minataku> The only way you can get it back to working is to fsck it somehow
[01:31] <Minataku> Let it repair the inconsistencies in/damage to the fs
[01:32] <Minataku> That's the fix
[01:32] <Minataku> No workaround, only a possible fix
[01:32] <kjdis> no way to fsck it if it's mounted
[01:32] <Minataku> Whether or not it works depends on how good you've been lately
[01:32] <Minataku> kjdis: One sec
[01:32] <Minataku> There's a way to force it to fsck on reboot
[01:32] <kjdis> yeah that's right
[01:33] <Minataku> kjdis: shutdown -Fr now
[01:33] <Minataku> Reboot and Force fsck on reboot now
[01:33] <kjdis> yeah I just found that too
[01:33] <Minataku> Get on one knee, put hands together and try it
[01:33] <Minataku> XD
[01:34] <Minataku> Or perform the religious/spiritual/personal action of your choice
[01:34] <kjdis> it will piss me off because of the time spent setting this up, and it's for a friend
[01:34] <Minataku> Heh, that's what you get for passing off your closet goblins
[01:34] <Minataku> XD
[01:34] <kjdis> I forgot I have S-video hooked up
[01:34] <Minataku> Hard drives don't store all that well, I've noticed
[01:34] <Minataku> Especially recent HDDs
[01:35] <Minataku> The more recent the HDD plus the longer it's sat the less likely it seems to be to work again
[01:35] <kjdis> alright, it's rw again
[01:35] <kjdis> so I guess I better copy it to a new hd
[01:35] <Minataku> kjdis: The fsck work out all right?
[01:36] <Minataku> kjdis: You can run it for a spell, check dmesg every so often
[01:36] <kjdis> it went by so fast I couldn't even tell what happenned
[01:36] <kjdis> because X starts up
[01:36] <Minataku> See if it was a transient issue where something, somewhere just decided to go tits up or if the drive entirely is tits up
[01:37] <kjdis> yes it has X but I have no local console/keybd/mouse
[01:37] <kjdis> errors still in dmesg
[01:37] <Minataku> But at least the fs is recovered
[01:37] <kjdis> Is there any way to like run fsck from a ramdisk or something?
[01:37] <kjdis> so you can unmount everything
[01:37] <Minataku> But yeah, the HDD is a write-off, bottom line
[01:38] <Minataku> kjdis: That's how forcing it on reboot works, more or less
[01:38] <kjdis> ha the filesystem went read-only again
[01:38] <Minataku> kjdis: Check dmesg and see why
[01:38] <kjdis> nah it didn't even run, it's like it happenned instantly
[01:38] <Minataku> kjdis: Well, it sounds like the drive is toast
[01:38] <Minataku> There's probably a lot more damage on there
[01:39] <Minataku> The fact that it even boots to RO amazes me
[01:39] <Minataku> Save what you can any way you can, pop it in another computer, etc
[01:39] <kjdis> I think there's real damage now
[01:39] <Minataku> After that dump the drive
[01:39] <kjdis> nothing to save, it's all work I did setting up software
[01:39] <Minataku> kjdis: It was more than likely always there
[01:40] <Minataku> Mirroring it is completely useless
[01:40] <kjdis> I'm just gonna have to totally do it over
[01:40] <Minataku> kjdis: I've been there too
[01:40] <Minataku> It sucks but sometimes it happens like that
[01:40] <Minataku> Take it out on the drive
[01:40] <Minataku> Give it some face time with Mr. Hammer
[01:40] <Minataku> And I don't mean MC Hammer
[01:41] <ori> buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo
[01:41] <Minataku> If you can though
[01:41] <Minataku> First test another drive in it
[01:41] <Minataku> Make sure the controller's not the duff part
[01:41] <Minataku> Though that's usually quite rare
[01:41] <Minataku> 99.9% of the time the failure point is the drive
[01:43] <kjdis> what a pain
[01:44] <kjdis> thanks for the info
[01:45] <Minataku> np
[01:50] <flowingfire> Hello friends! I have a huge problem... I have no idea why, but Kubuntu shows me a black cursor page after boot and nothing more.  It's not the terminal-- just a useless cursor... Every time I boot.  Any ideas?
[01:50] <moff> flowingfire: yeah, switch to OS X
[01:51] <flowingfire> LOL moff
[01:52] <ardchoille> What's up with the topic?
[01:52] <flowingfire> heh who knows...
[01:53] <flowingfire> Well, going along with the topic, : LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL~!
[01:53] <flowingfire> But seriously, if anybody knows what the heck is wrong, I'd love to know... Why does my computer boot to a black cursor page instead of Kubuntu's login?
[01:54] <ardchoille> moff: Can you change the topic back to something a little more professional please?
[01:54] <moff> ardchoille: no, but you can, fuckface
[01:54] <jarek> hey there, got problem with merging partitions, was trying to do it in QTparted but it doesn't seem to have that option
[01:54] <jtt> !language
[01:54] <ubotu> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[01:54] <jarek> anyone got a suggestion?
[01:55] <flowingfire> hmm... maybe #ubuntu will be more helpful...
[01:56] <ardchoille> LjL: Thank you :)
[01:56] <jtt> good for  ljl
[01:56] <MuJ> errm
[01:57] <ardchoille> LjL: Was moff a chanop for this channel?
[01:57] <LjL> most definitely not
[01:57] <ardchoille> How was he able to change the topic?
[01:57] <crimsun> please set +t
[01:57] <ardchoille> Yes
[01:57] <jtt> couldnt u tell by the language moff used
[01:57] <MuJ> and here I was thinking that feisty was already released =P
[01:59] <Ireclan> Would it be bad if I uninstalled Katapult?
[02:00] <LjL> Ireclan: no, except that kubuntu-desktop would get uninstalled, which can have interesting consequences at times
[02:01] <jirka_> LjL: like what?
[02:01] <Ireclan> LjL: What does Katapult even DO?
[02:02] <LjL> Ireclan: err, it's the thing that comes up when you press Alt+Space
[02:02] <LjL> jirka_: like, doing "sudo apt-get autoremove" without kubuntu-desktop installed can be an extremely bad idea
[02:02] <dogatemycomputer> if you press ALT+SPACE then you can type the first couple letters of the app and it'll launch it..
[02:03] <dogatemycomputer> try it..  I think Katapult is kinda cool if you don't feel like searching the start menu.
[02:03] <Ireclan> LjL: But what is its function? I'm a KDE n00b...
[02:03] <LjL> Ireclan, just hit Alt+Space, you'll find out
[02:03] <ardchoille> ALT+SPACE doesn't do anything here.
[02:04] <dogatemycomputer> Just hold down the ALT key, press the space KEY and you'll see the katapult symbol appear.  Now.. start typing the name of the applicatio.
[02:04] <Tired_> Hi.  I have samba all set up, and sharing works fine...is it possible to make some kind of link in /mnt to my samba remote shares?
[02:04] <dogatemycomputer> You may need to launch Katapult first..
[02:04] <LjL> ardchoille: that must be because it is not running. it is by default, though. start it then try
[02:04] <dogatemycomputer> is there someplace to configure Katapult?  I've never looked..
[02:04] <ardchoille> LjL: Way cool :)
[02:05] <LjL> dogatemycomputer: yeah, Ctrl+C with it running IIRC (or click on the tray icon)
[02:05] <LjL> "running" i mean active
[02:06] <dogatemycomputer> I don't have a tray icon.. but I will say that you're a funny person..
[02:06] <dogatemycomputer> CTRL-C eh? ;)
[02:09] <Ireclan> Testing...
[02:12] <Ireclan> Someone say something right quick...Trying something out.
[02:12] <ardchoille> Hi Ireclan
[02:13] <Ireclan> Thankyou, ardchoille...Hello to you too...
[02:13] <ardchoille> :)
[02:13] <flowingfire> xorg.conf hasn't changed and my computer now boots into a black screen and a cursor... any ideas anyone?  I have somebody telling me I should reconfigure driver settings which I might do, but the exact same settings have worked fine for 37 reboots until now...
[02:13] <flowingfire> Any ideas?
[02:14] <oxydon> coud anyone help me plz.
[02:14] <oxydon> cant get ntfs-config 2 work
[02:15] <ardchoille> flowingfire: Have you tried: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg && sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart   ?
[02:15] <spacerX> ardchoille: no
[02:15] <Ireclan> Does Konversation have spellchecking capabilities?
[02:15] <spacerX> DCC SEND I_HAS_A_NO_BAN_LOLCAT 0 0 0
[02:15] <flowingfire> Ardchoille: I can't even get to a terminal, lol
[02:16] <flowingfire> Ardchoille: I'm talking to you in a windows partition right now because I can't get it working at all... do you know a way to boot into terminal instead?
[02:16] <qp> DCC SEND HI_NAILOTH_WRY_R_U_SO_MEAN 0 0 0
[02:17] <Ireclan> Erm...
[02:17] <ardchoille> flowingfire: I know nothing about Windows, haven't used it in about 8 years
[02:17] <Ireclan> Does Konversation have spellchecking capabilities that I'm not aware of?
[02:17] <Rippy72> DCC SEND LETS_DO_IT_ALL_NIGHT 0 0 0
[02:17] <jirka_> flowingfire: you can always use livecd to boot it from and repair that xorg.conf
[02:18] <jirka_> flowingfire: i guess since it hangs up i will be caused by some bug in xorg,conf
[02:19] <flowingfire> ... jirka-- good thinking... Because of the issue, I assume something is wrong with Xorg, but oddly it hasn't changed since working properly last time....
[02:19] <jirka_> flowingfire: btw, have u looked into the log?
[02:19] <jirka_> flowingfire: i see
[02:19] <flowingfire> I've checked xorg.conf, but is there something else I should check on? (I have my linux mounted into windows so I can read/edit)
[02:19] <ardchoille> flowingfire: Maybe ~/.xsession-errors  ?
[02:20] <ardchoille> flowingfire: And have a look at the files in /var/log
[02:20] <flowingfire> ok.... I'll look at all that. :)
[02:20] <jirka_> flowingfire: yeah, i agree with ardchoille, i would check all logs that might be related
[02:21] <flowingfire> Thanks. :)  I'll get this think working yet!!! LOL  ... and I really hope it wasn't that automatic update I installed that did this, because that's ALL I did on my last boot....
[02:21] <jirka_> flowingfire: you said you haven't been altering xorg.conf, have u been installin some other stuff?
[02:21] <jirka_> flowingfire: :)
[02:22] <flowingfire> On my last boot, no... but I have a lot of standards installed like Beryl and junk.... And that stupid automatic update from hell lol
[02:22] <Minataku> What's up with that D[see] C $3ND business? I thought that was one of those idiot firewall things that they fixed
[02:22] <mathieu> I have an audio problem hopefully someone can help me...
[02:23] <Minataku> Or is this some other kind of goofy idiocy?
[02:23] <mathieu> mp3/ogg wont play in xine, mpg123, amarok and flash
[02:23] <mathieu> basically, only mplayer pays audio
[02:23] <mathieu> I dont even know where to look
[02:23] <ardchoille> Minataku: Those folks just want to show off how stupid they can be.
[02:23] <SheeEttin> mathieu: plugins?
[02:23] <Minataku> Right, but I'm a bit interested in the exploit itself
[02:24] <flowingfire> Uh oh... /var/conf/Xorg.0.log says Fatal server error:
[02:24] <flowingfire> no screens found
[02:24] <flowingfire> Fatal server error:
[02:24] <flowingfire> no screens found
[02:24] <jirka_> mathieu: you probably have installed just audio plugins for mplayer
[02:24] <Alonea> ok, I have seen and been told different ways to mount an iso and none of them are working...so thus I am confused
[02:24] <Minataku> I remember the old "start[toolusedtoactuatealock] [personswhoworkswithlargepiecesofwood] " one
[02:24] <SheeEttin> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[02:24] <stdin> flowingfire: ^
[02:25] <SheeEttin> (to flowingfire)
[02:25] <Minataku> Which was idiocy on the part of Norton Firewall
[02:25] <jirka_> mathieu: if i remember correctly, mplayer has it's own codec
[02:25] <eidolon> say, anyone rknow of a working PPTP client dialog for Kubuntu?  'kvpnc' crashes after the first screen, and there's lots of reports of instability.
[02:25] <flowingfire> Yup sheeettin, exactly lol . thx
[02:25] <eidolon> i need to set up a vpn for one of my users.
[02:25] <Minataku> But the "D[see] C $3ND" one, is that similar or just some other brand of poor programming?
[02:25] <mathieu> jirka_: err no Im pretty sure I have installed everything
[02:25] <mathieu> the file plays
[02:25] <mathieu> or rather tries to; they just stutter at the first second
[02:26] <SheeEttin> Which engine (e.g. xine)?
[02:26] <mathieu> xine or mpg123
[02:26] <mathieu> (or amarok with xine engine)
[02:26] <SheeEttin> Is that configured properly?
[02:26] <mathieu> I deleted my .xine
[02:26] <mathieu> reinstalled xine
[02:26] <jirka_> mathieu: what's everything? there are lot of tutorials on the web giving instructions what packages u should install
[02:26] <SheeEttin> Gone through the configuration?
[02:26] <mathieu> yes
[02:27] <mathieu> im pretty sure it used to play
[02:27] <mathieu> fine
[02:27] <SheeEttin> Oh, hey, as long as I'm here, what's up with gcc-4.0 not being in the repos?
[02:27] <flowingfire> thanks everybody... I'm going to attempt to find my way into the terminal and reset xorg.  If I can't even get into the terminal, I'll be back to ask for your blessed help again. thx
[02:27] <mathieu> is there something I could log just to get clues where the problem lies
[02:27] <mathieu> because ntierh xine nor mpg123 give any kind of output
[02:28] <mathieu> they just endlessly play the same second of audio :P
[02:28] <SheeEttin> I think Kaffeine has an option to display what it'd print to a console.
[02:28] <crimsun> SheeEttin: which version of Kubuntu?
[02:28] <jirka_> mathieu: what codec packages have u installed?
[02:28] <SheeEttin> Feisty.
[02:28] <crimsun> SheeEttin: because gcc-4.1 is the default
[02:28] <SheeEttin> But 4.0 isn't there at all.
[02:29] <ardchoille> SheeEttin: Once an kubuntu is released, the only updates will be bug fixes and security updates. New versions won't make it into the repos unless it has to do with security or bug fixes.
[02:29] <crimsun> SheeEttin: why do you want an older version?
[02:29] <SheeEttin> Because I need it to compile kernel modules.
[02:29] <SheeEttin> There's no newer SMP kernels.
[02:29] <crimsun> SheeEttin: on feisty?  No you don't.  You need the standard compiler.
[02:29] <mathieu> jirka_: how do I tell exactly?
[02:30] <SheeEttin> crimsun: tell it to this: fglrx: version magic '2.6.15-28-686 SMP preempt 686 gcc-4.1' should be '2.6.15-28-686 SMP preempt 686 gcc-4.0'
[02:30] <mathieu> could it be a problem with alsa?
[02:30] <crimsun> SheeEttin: why are you using dapper's kernel on feisty?
[02:31] <jirka_> mathieu:  well it depends, if u r in feisty, first thing u need codecs u r asked if u want them to be installed and it is automatic
[02:31] <SheeEttin> Because there is no newer kernel that I know of that supports multiple cores!
[02:31] <yanick> Hi people! :P
[02:31] <mathieu> jirka_: this box used to be dapper
[02:31] <crimsun> SheeEttin: the default one does.
[02:31] <jirka_> mathieu: or u might install them manually using apt, aptitude and such
[02:31] <crimsun> SheeEttin: 2.6.20-15-generic, that is.
[02:32] <mathieu> jirka_: I did
[02:32] <dogatemycomputer> hey.. is there a way to block signon/signoff notification in IRC?
[02:32] <mathieu> I installed everything gstreamer*, every mp3 libs, w32codecs etc...
[02:32] <SheeEttin> Does it?
[02:32] <SheeEttin> Last kernel I checked didn't.
[02:32] <jirka_> mathieu: i see
[02:32] <crimsun> SheeEttin: well, yes, else my Core Duo wouldn't show both cores.
[02:32] <SheeEttin> Okay. Will try it.
[02:32] <ardchoille> dogatemycomputer: /ignore #channel PARTS QUITS JOINS   (for irssi, not sure about others)
[02:33] <mathieu> jirka_: but even ogg, or wav wont play
[02:33] <mathieu> so I really doubt its codec-related
[02:33] <dogatemycomputer> thanks ardchoille!!
[02:33] <jirka_> mathieu: but you said mplayer is working.. right?
[02:33] <ardchoille> dogatemycomputer: You're welcome :)
[02:34] <mathieu> yea
[02:34] <neoncode> In the Xserver, what process controls the mouse?
[02:34] <jirka_> ok, then i guess audio system should be fine
[02:34] <mathieu> ok I didnt try kaffeine, it just crashes
[02:36] <jirka_> neoncode: it's X itself, isn't it?
[02:36] <SheeEttin> crimsun: LIES
[02:36] <crimsun> why would I be lying about it working on my hardware?
[02:36] <SheeEttin> 2.6.20-15-generic, and I've got one core.
[02:37] <crimsun> do you have a Core Due or a Core 2 Duo?
[02:37] <crimsun> Duo, even.
[02:37] <SheeEttin> A... uh...
[02:37] <SheeEttin> Pentium. I forget the letter.
[02:37] <crimsun> a Pentium D?
[02:37] <kristjan_> wow, I can save 7% of 521RAM only by adding DISABLED_MODULES="ath_hal fc fglrx ltm" to /etc/default/linux-restricted-modules-common!
[02:37] <SheeEttin> If those come in dual cores, maybe.
[02:38] <crimsun> well, yes, hence the 'D' designation.
[02:38] <SheeEttin> Makes sense.
[02:38] <SheeEttin> In any case, I've got only one core running.
[02:38] <crimsun> what does /proc/cpuinfo say about the actual string?
[02:38] <neoncode> jirka_: Well what ever it is keeps crashing. I have several mice pluged in, a USB one and a PS/2 one. The USB one, after a random ammount of time, stops working. If I plug in another USB mouse that'll work for a random ammount of time and that'll stop working. However the PS/2 mouse always works. Once one mouse has stoped working if I try to logoff/shutdown/restart the X server or switch to another session. The system hangs with just a black screen and
[02:38] <neoncode> the mouse crousour that no mouse will move...
[02:38] <SheeEttin> Whole thing?
[02:39] <crimsun> SheeEttin: no, the model name string.
[02:39] <SheeEttin> model name      : Intel(R) Pentium(R) D  CPU 2.66GHz
[02:39] <crimsun> heh.
[02:39] <crimsun> SheeEttin: now pastebin your /var/log/dmesg
[02:40] <mathieu> ok hydrogen doesnt work either
[02:40] <mathieu> the plot thickens :P
[02:41] <SheeEttin> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/19878/
[02:41] <jirka_> mathieu: i feel strongly it's codec related, or second possibility might be mplayer using different audio server
[02:42] <mathieu> how would hydrogen be codec-relater?
[02:42] <mathieu> *ed
[02:42] <SheeEttin> "[   14.032484]  SMP motherboard not detected."?
[02:42] <jirka_> mathieu: i don't know what is hydrogen
[02:42] <crimsun> SheeEttin: correct.
[02:43] <SheeEttin> Cheap motherboard.
[02:43] <mathieu> jirka_: its a drum machine
[02:43] <SheeEttin> So the motherboard's the problem?
[02:43] <flowingfire> Hi everybody... I just did dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, and also kdm restart....  But my computer still boots into a black screen with a cursor.... <sigh>  HELP
[02:44] <jirka_> mathieu: on the other hand if not even wav are playing, it might not even be codec related after all
[02:44] <yanick> flowingfire  I just had that problem
[02:45] <dogatemycomputer> yeah.. I had the same problem too..
[02:45] <SheeEttin> flowingfire: "grep WW /var/log/Xorg.0.log && grep EE /var/log/Xorg.0.log". Paste that somewhere.
[02:45] <flowingfire> Really yanick?
[02:45] <dogatemycomputer> I had the same problem too.
[02:45] <dogatemycomputer> bad xorg.conf file.. had to restore from backup
[02:45] <mathieu> jirka_: Im gonna try plugging in an external USB soundcard -- maybe something wrong with my emu10k setup
[02:45] <flowingfire> Oh wow.... what was the problem all about?
[02:45] <SheeEttin> crimsun: so it's my cheap motherboard?
[02:46] <flowingfire> bad xorg.conf file? ... So why didn't dpkg-reconfigure work?
[02:46] <crimsun> SheeEttin: according to the kernel ring buffer, yes.
[02:46] <SheeEttin> Gah.
[02:46] <sound_fx> What program can I use to move my music/videos to my iPod?
[02:46] <yanick> yeah...  lolll  after i did dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg  you get to reconfigure some stuffs
[02:46] <SheeEttin> Motherboards are the most annoying thing to replace.
[02:47] <SheeEttin> sound_fx: I liked Amarok until I found out it renamed all my files on the iPod.
[02:47] <sound_fx> SheeEttin: Does that mess up the iPod's database?
[02:47] <SheeEttin> It may have been because I have a shuffle.
[02:47] <SheeEttin> (And no, it rebuilds it after every write.)
[02:48] <sound_fx> Hmm... Amarok? That's neat.
[02:48] <yanick> try this out:  After you see BUS ADRESS PCI (something like that)  is should be written some adress
[02:48] <martalli> SheeEttin:  Well, it's too late now, but instead of a shuffle, why not get a cowon player?  It has a display and plays ogg files
[02:48] <dogatemycomputer> flowingfire: i have no idea.  i'm so tired of Xorg.conf that I automatically, by instinct, create a backup during the initial startup of the machine and another backup when I get it working.
[02:48] <SheeEttin> I didn't buy it. I got it for my birthday.
[02:48] <dogatemycomputer> I even copy them to another folder on the machine because i'm tired of the instability..
[02:48] <flowingfire> makes sense hehe
[02:49] <martalli> SheeEttin:  Can't look a gift digital music player in the usb port
[02:49] <SheeEttin> Yep.
[02:49] <dogatemycomputer> honestly..  I really honestly believe xorg.conf will be the downfall of linux if they don't fix these issues..
[02:49] <SheeEttin> Even though it only has a headphone port (used for data transfer too).
[02:49] <flowingfire> I should have learned by now... (2 prior feisty installs) but nope...  I spent a week-and-a-half configuring my beautiful linux... GRRR and now it doesn't work.
[02:50] <mathieu> yonkeltron: run krazy
[02:50] <SheeEttin> dogatemycomputer, the problem is that there are just way too many hardware configurations to support well.
[02:50] <sound_fx> flowingfire, what kind of problem do you have?
[02:50] <flowingfire> dogatemycomputer: I agree.
[02:50] <yanick> for me it was 0.16.0 ....    but the adress isn't good !  Change it to 1.0.0    after you are done,  you do startx . Oh yes you've got to start the system in safe graphic mode
[02:50] <flowingfire> sound_fx: I have a black screen with a cursor upon bootup
[02:50] <martalli> dogatemycomputer:  Once OEMs start shipping hardware that is compatible (or at least brought to the xorg people so they can write drivers), it will always be a problem.  We are installing linux on purpose-built windows computers
[02:50] <yanick> then alt-ctrl-f1  for the command prompt
[02:50] <flowingfire> sound_fx: and dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg did NOT work
[02:50] <yanick> THen you do the adress change
[02:50] <intelikey> hmmm i wonder if it's a security hole to login as "nobody"
[02:50] <SheeEttin> martalli: I built mine...
[02:50] <martalli> or did I meean once they start doing that it won'
[02:51] <martalli> 't be a problem =)
[02:51] <yanick> go try that out
[02:51] <SheeEttin> flowingfire: "grep WW /var/log/Xorg.0.log && grep EE /var/log/Xorg.0.log". Paste that somewhere.
[02:51] <yanick> and come back
[02:51] <flowingfire> SheeEttin: Ok
[02:51] <yonkeltron> mathieu: beg your pardon? krazy?
[02:51] <martalli> SheeEttin:  So did I, but the hardware is still intended for windows oftentimes
[02:51] <mathieu> its an automated test in kdesdk (might be 4 only)
[02:51] <dogatemycomputer> SheeEttin: I don't disagree regarding the number of hardware configuration but then linux needs to write a standard and say, "if you own this card then it will work out of the box".. and then I can tell my friensd, "buy this card and it will always work"..
[02:51] <yonkeltron> mathieu: ah...
[02:51] <SheeEttin> dogatemycomputer: but that spoils all the fun!
[02:51] <mathieu> which does, amongst other things, spellcheck comments :)
[02:52] <yonkeltron> mathieu: even in ruby code?
[02:52] <Daisuke_Ido> dogatemycomputer: if you think that will ever happen, you're dreaming :)
[02:52] <intelikey> wild man....   dig this.  login: list
[02:52] <intelikey> No directory, logging in with HOME=/
[02:52] <intelikey> tty24 [list$/] 
[02:52] <SheeEttin> That's not good.
[02:52] <Daisuke_Ido> that's not good at all
[02:52] <mathieu> yonkeltron: good question, no clue
[02:52] <intelikey> login: irc
[02:52] <intelikey> No directory, logging in with HOME=/
[02:52] <intelikey> tty24 [irc$/] 
[02:52] <intelikey> :)
[02:53] <intelikey> if it got a shell i can login as *
[02:53] <dogatemycomputer> Daisuke_Ido:  well..  they are talking about some standards.. but I don't think its too far fetched.  I have friends who don't want to spend $300 on XP or Vista.. so I tell them to install Linux.. but I always have a fear in the back of my mind that something will go wrong and i'll be on the hook.  I just want to tell them "here is what you buy - its.. $xxx.xx..  and I guarentee its cheaper than XP"
[02:53] <yonkeltron> mathieu: yeah...allegedly, python and ruby are first class citizens in kde4...so we'll see
[02:53] <SheeEttin> dogatemycomputer: set it up for them.
[02:53] <yonkeltron> dogatemycomputer: ditto
[02:53] <yonkeltron> dogatemycomputer: i end up on the hook pretty often...mostly for minor shit
[02:54] <dogatemycomputer> I do alot of the time but what if i'm hit by a bus?
[02:54] <mathieu> its weird
 Linux could be so much better than windows if it weren't for all these stupid hardware compatibility issues combined with lazy driver writers at places like NVIDIA
[02:54] <mathieu> VLC also plays the audio fine
[02:54] <dogatemycomputer> I want linux to be a POSITIVE experience.
[02:54] <SheeEttin> Then I inherit your stuff.
[02:54] <Daisuke_Ido> nvidia for video, ralink or atheros for wifi, everything else is generally okay.   those are the two big roadblocks
[02:54] <Whiz2> can anyone tell me what file i need to edit to tell apache2 where file uploads should go?
[02:54] <dogatemycomputer> hahahaha
[02:54] <mathieu> so it doesnt work in anything but vlc and mplayer
[02:54] <SheeEttin> nVidia's not as bad as ATI.
[02:54] <intelikey> cool....  login: sys
[02:54] <intelikey> tty24 [sys$~] 
[02:54] <flowingfire> I haven't heard all the ATI horror stories. lo
[02:54] <yonkeltron> SheeEttin: but niether are so stellar
[02:55] <SheeEttin> I have ATI stories myself.
[02:55] <SheeEttin> I'm working on an fglrx installation script to ease the pain.
[02:55] <Daisuke_Ido> yonkeltron: even comparing nvidia to ati for linux support is pretty far out there
[02:55] <yanick> flowingfire  so basically u never got to launch kubuntu?
[02:55] <Daisuke_Ido> SheeEttin: it's called "envy", check it out
[02:55] <SheeEttin> Envy does ATI? Since when?
[02:55] <dogatemycomputer> well.. do you guys feel linux has recently started seeing alot of limelight?
[02:55] <martalli> dogatemycomputer:  I wonder how the Dell/ubuntu matchup will go.  I am inclined to buy a cheaper one, as my son's computer (p3-600) is starting to fail bit by bit
[02:55] <flowingfire> yanick: No I had it working fine for the last week-and-a-half
[02:55] <Daisuke_Ido> hmm
[02:56] <yonkeltron> Daisuke_Ido: suppose you might be right
[02:56] <flowingfire> It just randomly started not booting
[02:56] <yonkeltron> it's still not easy though
[02:56] <yanick> and now for no reason it won't launch?
[02:56] <SheeEttin> flowingfire: nothing happens randomly. Something changed.
[02:56] <flowingfire> Exactly.
[02:56] <Whiz2> no one in here knows where the apache2 config file is?
[02:56] <SheeEttin> (Unless it was a hardware failure.)
[02:56] <martalli> dogatemycomputer:  Definitely.  I have told a few folks about the dell/ubuntu matchup and they had already heard
[02:56] <Daisuke_Ido> http://www.pendrivelinux.com/2007/02/23/installing-proprietary-video-drivers-for-ubuntu/
[02:56] <SheeEttin> Whiz2: I'm typing, hold on.
[02:56] <dogatemycomputer> If Dell doesn't let Microsoft screw us over (without lube at least) then Dell could sell some machines..  they just need to keep the Windows Tax away from these machines..
[02:56] <flowingfire> Well, on my last boot, Adept automatically updated another package manager... I adjusted some font settings... lol taht's it.
[02:56] <Whiz2> SheeEttin: ok lol
[02:57] <yanick> so now you get a black screen when you load?
[02:57] <Daisuke_Ido> dogatemycomputer: unfortunately, there's the crapware issue (which pretty much pays for the oem copy of windows
[02:57] <flowingfire> A black screen with a cursor
[02:57] <flowingfire> but it's not the terminal
[02:57] <dogatemycomputer> they can install crapeware on linux too ;)
[02:57] <SheeEttin> Whiz2: if you mean users upload to you, it depends on the way they're uploading. If it's a script, modify that. If it's a PUT, I'm not sure. For these things, I like Webmin.
[02:57] <dogatemycomputer> at least APT will make it easier to remove!
[02:57] <martalli> Daisuke_Ido:  you're absolutely right, although dell has been quoed as saying the ubuntu machines will be cheaper
[02:57] <SheeEttin> But the config file is probably in .etc.apache-something.
[02:58] <flowingfire> Could a hard drive error cause something like this to happen?
[02:58] <SheeEttin> Er, /etc/apache-somthing.
[02:58] <Whiz2> SheeEttin: it's a php script
[02:58] <SheeEttin> So where does the PHP script say to put it?
[02:58] <Daisuke_Ido> martalli: then they have a contender
[02:58] <yanick> same as me...  I know had the same thing.  Here's what to do. access xorg like you did like before and at the Adress line where there's a 3 digits  like 0.16.0   change it to 1.0.0
[02:59] <SheeEttin> flowingfire: it's possible. fsck isn't the best at putting files where they're supposed to go during recovery.
[02:59] <yanick> and you do startx  when you are done
[02:59] <Daisuke_Ido> isn't that what lost+found is for?
[02:59] <Whiz2> SheeEttin: tells me to specify it... but says something bout i can find the path in my www directory... I want it in my a subfolder of my document root
[02:59] <dogatemycomputer> what kind of video card are you using?
[02:59] <yanick> of course if your AGP/PCI adress is 1.0.0    flowfire  are u on windows xp right now?
[03:00] <flowingfire> Yanick: I'm in Windows Vista right now.
[03:00] <SheeEttin> Well it should be specified somewhere in the script. The server's files go under /var/www.
[03:00] <Daisuke_Ido> flowingfire: i weep for you
[03:00] <flowingfire> lol it's my fallback daisuke_ido
[03:00] <Whiz2> SheeEttin: i changed the server directory
[03:00] <SheeEttin> To where, and why?
[03:00] <Daisuke_Ido> you'd be better off with WinME as your fallback :D
[03:00] <flowingfire> hahahaha
[03:00] <Whiz2> SheeEttin: but can't remember what file i edited to change it
[03:00] <SheeEttin> Nice.
[03:01] <martalli> We can't all fallback to os/2
[03:01] <Whiz2> SheeEttin: to another drive all together for lack of space on my system drive
[03:01] <SheeEttin> You did? That's a headache and a half.
[03:01] <dogatemycomputer> well..  time to go home gentlemen.. enjoyed the chat!
[03:01] <yanick> try what i told you :P   had the same problem for a long time and overcame that prob.  if your adress is anything like 0.16.0  there is a prob just like me
[03:01] <SheeEttin> Anyway, look in /etc for anything named apache.
[03:01] <Daisuke_Ido> os/2?  pshh, BeoS :)
[03:01] <Whiz2> SheeEttin: not really... the server has several GB of space now lol
[03:02] <SheeEttin> My server has about 470 something. Of course, I do have a 500 GB hard drive.
[03:02] <Whiz2> SheeEttin: i tried that, but the conf file there specifies /var/www so that can't be the right file, cuz that's not where it is
[03:03] <SheeEttin> You probably want to change that, then.
[03:03] <martalli> I see your BeOS and raise you Haiku
[03:03] <Whiz2> SheeEttin: it still goes to the right place when i load my site from the web
[03:03] <Pollywog> I am trying to add an RSS feed to akregator and it did not work, could not add it to Opera or Flock either.  How can I determine if the feed URL is valid?
[03:03] <SheeEttin> Also make sure that if it's Apache2, you're using /etc/apache2 and not /etc/apache.
[03:03] <Pollywog> it is oreilly.net
[03:03] <Whiz2> SheeEttin: /etc/apache doesn't exist
[03:04] <SheeEttin> It needs to be fully formed, like http://oreilly.net/feed.xml
[03:04] <Daisuke_Ido> ooh, martalli's playing hardball...  i see your BeOS and raise you TRS-DOS
[03:04] <Pollywog> the link is here and it does not appear to be fully formed http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/a/sysadmin/2007/05/03/the-top-7-things-sysadmins-forget-to-do.html
[03:04] <Daisuke_Ido> errm, -beos + haiku
[03:04] <Whiz2> SheeEttin: my site URL goes straight to /media/hdc1
[03:05] <SheeEttin> Pollywog: http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/feed/55
[03:05] <Daisuke_Ido> why would you do that?
[03:05] <martalli> Daisuke_Ido:  I plead VIC-20 (I have a working one in my basement =)
[03:05] <Daisuke_Ido> ooh
[03:05] <SheeEttin> paste that into Akregator.
[03:05] <Daisuke_Ido> two words for ya
[03:05] <Pollywog> SheeEttin: yes that is the one and akregator would not do it
[03:05] <Daisuke_Ido> desk.  mate.
[03:05] <martalli> lol
[03:06] <SheeEttin> Whiz2: the script HAS to specify where it's going to go somewhere.
[03:06] <Whiz2> SheeEttin: ok
[03:06] <SheeEttin> Pollywog: did it give any errors?
[03:06] <flowingfire> URL goes straight to /media/hdc1
 Pollywog: http://www.oreillyne
[03:06] <Daisuke_Ido> anyway, Whiz2, why would you change the server to point to /media/hdc1 rather than mount hdc1 on /var/www?
[03:06] <Daisuke_Ido> or can you not do that?
[03:06] <Pollywog> I think perhaps the URL is invalid.... thanks
[03:06] <Whiz2> Daisuke_Ido: easier on me as i'm not wel versed with Linux
[03:07] <dsmith> hello, I have a new 500gb usb drive
[03:07] <dsmith> whats the easiet way to format it?
[03:07] <SheeEttin> That would be ideal, but I'm not sure he would be able to get it working.
[03:07] <dsmith> to ext3
[03:07] <SheeEttin> dsmith: mkfs.ext3
[03:07] <Daisuke_Ido> dsmith: realistically?  qtparted/gparted
[03:07] <Daisuke_Ido> but that...  that works too
[03:07] <dsmith> ok
[03:07] <SheeEttin> Oh, he said easiest.
[03:07] <SheeEttin> not mkfs, then.
[03:07] <dsmith> lol
[03:07] <flowingfire> dsmith: they make USB drives that large?
[03:07] <dsmith> yes
[03:07] <dsmith> Seagate
[03:07] <Daisuke_Ido> oh yeah, yeah they do, and i drool at them
[03:07] <SheeEttin> USB drive are often just enclosures.
[03:07] <flowingfire> wow... What did that cost you?
[03:08] <Whiz2> SheeEttin: no point. it's already set that way, and everything in the system points to it that way
[03:08] <dsmith> $134
[03:08] <Whiz2> except apache2.conf lol
[03:08] <flowingfire> huh... not bad... Heck, my hard drive isn't that large.
[03:08] <martalli> flowingfire:  All you have to do is buy an enclosure and a hard disk - enclosures run $30+ at newegg
[03:08] <Daisuke_Ido> of course, i'm still crying because i went from 660gb to 330 :(
[03:08] <dsmith> it a good price
[03:08] <dsmith> Hitachi is coming out with 1000gb drives
[03:08] <dsmith> $400 each
[03:08] <martalli> I rfmember 10MB hard drives "Who would need all that space?"
[03:09] <dsmith> now, I will shut up
[03:09] <SheeEttin> I don't understand why you would buy a USB 500 GB drive when you can get an internal one for the same price.
[03:09] <dsmith> i am on a laptop
[03:09] <SheeEttin> That's why.
[03:09] <Daisuke_Ido> SheeEttin: um...  portability?
[03:09] <dsmith> :P
[03:09] <Daisuke_Ido> that too :D
[03:09] <dsmith> aye
[03:09] <martalli> dsmith:  You can get 5400 speed 160 gb drives now for abotu 120
[03:09] <dsmith> thx
[03:09] <dsmith> i know I just bought a hitachi
[03:09] <SheeEttin> Anyway, back to motherboard shopping.
[03:09] <flowingfire> gawd 1000gb?  Who is going to use all THAT space?
[03:10] <Carutsu> hello i wasn't having any problems with Feisty, however as i tried linux 2.6.20-15 for long time i wanted to uninstall the -14 ver so i could have a little more space, when i did, everything was going fine but then some error happened, adept was suddenly killed i couldn't see the error as it was too fast. then i had to reboot (no other reason than just having to switch places) and now...
[03:10] <dsmith> lol, me
[03:10] <Carutsu> ...itdoesnt work anymore if i select in grub a "normal session" it starts normally and fills all the "blue bar" then it just doesnt show the screen. I tried starting up in advanced mode, it goies well i'm left in the bash but i just can't initiate a session if i type 'init 6' then it tries to do it and it stops  responfing after loefing /etc/rc.local
[03:10] <Alonea> i got a 7200 160gb external from best buy for 70 bucks plus tax
[03:10] <Daisuke_Ido> martalli: big joke in the gaming world in the early 90's that Sierra On-Line was going to have to start including hard drives with their games, they were getting so big
[03:10] <martalli> Same here - it will be a nice upgrade to my lappie, but I only diuscovered when upgraded my wife's mac mini
[03:10] <dsmith> lmao
[03:11] <Daisuke_Ido> i lost 160gb of tv shows...
[03:11] <Carutsu> *loading
[03:11] <dsmith> Daisuke: NASlite
[03:11] <Daisuke_Ido> ?
[03:11] <dsmith> NAS file storage
[03:12] <Kr4t05> How can I have applications that I run as super-user default to the same theme as the applications I use a normal user?
[03:12] <Carutsu> what should i do? I'm on my windows booth so i can, say, writte to the linux partition if is needed
[03:12] <Daisuke_Ido> dsmith: would be nice, but not feasible
[03:13] <Daisuke_Ido> Kr4t05: like?
[03:13] <SheeEttin> Kr4t05: "kdesu systemsettings", then go to Appearance and make it match your settings.
[03:13] <Kr4t05> SheeEttin: Isn't there a simple symlink that works?
[03:14] <SheeEttin> I suppose if you really wanted to. It'd be easier this way.
[03:15] <Carutsu> what about me?
[03:16] <Daisuke_Ido> Carutsu: this would probably be easier if you booted from the live cd
[03:16] <Carutsu> Daisuke_Ido: then? reinstall?
[03:16] <L3gendary> would anyone mind helping a newbie installing Kubuntu 7?
[03:17] <Daisuke_Ido> actually, i'm not sure what then :)
[03:17] <Carutsu> Daisuke_Ido: o_O
[03:17] <SheeEttin> Carutsu: I'm typing something long, hold on.
[03:17] <Carutsu> SheeEttin: ok, thank you
[03:17] <SheeEttin> Carutsu: go into the Grub menu and find your normal entry. Hit E. Find the "kernel" line, and hit E again. Remove only the words "quiet" and "splash" from the end of the line, then hit enter. Now, hit B. When it stops booting, write down the error and bring it here.
[03:17] <L3gendary> i keep getting a /bin/sh: can't access tty; job control turned off
[03:18] <Carutsu> SheeEttin: ok I'll be back
[03:18] <SheeEttin> I really need to put these things in a file so I don't have to type them every time...
[03:18] <dsmith> gparted worked nice
[03:18] <dsmith> thx
[03:19] <Davidasdf> hay
[03:19] <Davidasdf> is there a way to enable the repositories without editing files?
[03:19] <dsmith> hay 4 horses :P
[03:19] <SheeEttin> Davidasdf: no.
[03:19] <Davidasdf> because editing files isn't working for me, theres still greyed out everything in adept
[03:19] <Dragnslcr> Davidasdf- well, you can do it through Adept
[03:19] <wezlo> hey all, any way to see if my usb hard drive is being seen as a usb 2.0 device (rather than 1.1)?
[03:19] <Davidasdf> i know theres a way in the gnome version
[03:19] <Dragnslcr> Which just modifies the files for you
[03:19] <Davidasdf> how do i do it through adept?
[03:19] <SheeEttin> make sure there is no # at the beginning of the line.
[03:20] <Davidasdf> i think i'm missing something obvious, how do you do it in adept?
[03:20] <Dragnslcr> Adept -> Manage Repositories
[03:20] <SheeEttin> wezlo: when you connect it, do "dmesg | tail".
[03:20] <wezlo> ok, thanks SheeEttin
[03:20] <Davidasdf> Dragnslcr: the only thing under Adept is quit
[03:21] <SheeEttin> Davidasdf: does it give you a warning about not being root, or something like that?
[03:21] <Davidasdf> nah, theres just no option
[03:21] <Davidasdf> do you need to reboot after you updated your sources.list ?
[03:21] <Dragnslcr> You're using Add/Remove Programs?
[03:22] <Davidasdf> yea
[03:22] <tin> how does KDM decide was screen dimensions to use?
[03:22] <Dragnslcr> If packages that you're looking for aren't showing up, check the boxes in the top-right corner
[03:22] <SheeEttin> tin: System Settings > Monitor & Display or /etc/X11/xorg.conf.
[03:23] <Davidasdf> Dragnslcr: I didn't know there was a separate adept program - i'm going to try that
[03:23] <tin> ie: my desktop is 1280x960, but KDM uses 800x600 or 640x480 or such, and used to use 1280x1024 i think
[03:23] <tin> monitor & display is for the desktop
[03:23] <SheeEttin> And?
[03:23] <Dragnslcr> Davidasdf- yeah, it's a slightly more advanced GUI
[03:23] <tin> and what in xorg.conf
[03:23] <Dragnslcr> Actually lists individual packages and such
[03:23] <tin> i thought that the xserver would default to the first size in the list, but 1280x960 is the first
[03:23] <Davidasdf> Dragnslcr: all of the repositories are checked... weird that the shit's still grey
[03:23] <Davidasdf> Dragnslcr: does it take a restart?
[03:24] <SheeEttin> Davidasdf: on the restart, no.
[03:24] <wezlo> does anyone know what a process called "events" is for?
[03:24] <Whiz2> SheeEttin: i'm just going to do a file search for anything containing /media/hdc1 inside the file
[03:26] <tin> i'd like KDM to use the same dimensions as my desktop because the monitor is centered for that mode
[03:26] <tin> it looks not only bad, but out of bounds in the size KDM uses
[03:26] <tin> brb
[03:26] <SheeEttin> tin: are the settings in M&D not changing your resolution?
[03:27] <Davidasdf> is there a reason why i have to click the internet thing in the bottom right and click wired network to connect to the internet?
[03:27] <Carutsu> SheeEttin: nop no error it just stop there
[03:27] <tin> they are, but only fgor my logged in desktop
[03:27] <Mena> Is there a way to open .skz files to edit it
[03:27] <SheeEttin> Davidasdf: yes, it's not set to connect automatically.
[03:27] <tin> upon logout or restart, KDM uses a different size
[03:27] <SheeEttin> Carutsu: hmm. There are no errors at all? it jsut stops?
[03:27] <Mena> .skz (Superkarmab Themes extentions)
[03:28] <Carutsu> SheeEttin: that's it
[03:28] <tin> i'll brb, gonna switch irc clients so i can restart X and not lose connection
[03:28] <Carutsu> SheeEttin: it stops after "Starting KDM: *Runing local scripts /etc/rc.local [ok] 
[03:28] <Davidasdf> thanks for the hlep guys
[03:28] <SheeEttin> Hey, it's what I do.
[03:28] <Davidasdf> linux is still an adventure
[03:29] <Carutsu> Davidasdf: i havent had any issues just this one, but its kinda weird
[03:29] <Davidasdf> i think i fucked my adept by fetching updates. it got an error and now won't start, whatever
[03:29] <Pollywog> I was unable to add the O'Reilly feed to akregator until I noticed the small RSS icon in Konqueror and clicked that.  That worked
[03:29] <Davidasdf> Carutsu: whast that?
[03:29] <Pollywog> !ohmy
[03:29] <ubotu> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[03:29] <SheeEttin> So tin, does it reset your resolution, or just use a different one when you log out?
[03:30] <Carutsu> SheeEttin: any clues? or Ill ujust have to reinstall :|
[03:30] <SheeEttin> Well, reinstalling may fix it, but it is rather extreme.
[03:30] <Carutsu> SheeEttin: what should i do then?
[03:31] <SheeEttin> That's the question. Let me think for a minute.
[03:31] <Mena> Is there a way to open .skz files to edit it <<<<< .skz (Superkarmab Themes extentions)>>>>>
[03:31] <Carutsu> SheeEttin: thank you
[03:32] <mardi> hi all, i'm wanting to reinstall soon and have /home on a seperate harddrive than / (root), is this just a matter or mounting /home onto the root drive with fstab?
[03:32] <SheeEttin> It might be a problem in starting KDM.
[03:32] <SheeEttin> mardi: more or less.
[03:32] <mardi> SheeEttin: i thought as much, thanks :)
[03:33] <Carutsu> SheeEttin: at the very end, I'm looking for some documentation rc.loval is almost the last script to be called
[03:33] <SheeEttin> Carutsu: when it stops, can you switch to a terminal (Ctrl+Alt+F1, F2, F3...)?
[03:34] <SheeEttin> It may also be a problem with one of the scripts in /etc/rc.local.
[03:34] <Carutsu> SheeEttin: I'm sorry i didnt try it but most likelly as i could boot in what's the name? the 'secure more' or something
[03:35] <borgramaca> hi... ive got some problems while booting to kubuntu... i was wondering if you could help me
[03:35] <Carutsu> mmm but it says [ok]  doesnt that mean that it was already executed
[03:35] <dogatemycomputer> mardi: i'm told you need to execute a couple of commands.
[03:35] <dogatemycomputer> mardi: what are you converting too?
[03:35] <Carutsu> !ask borgramaca
[03:35] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ask borgramaca - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:35] <Carutsu> !ask |borgramaca
[03:35] <ubotu> borgramaca: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[03:35] <SheeEttin> Carutsu: single-user mode. All you get is one console.
[03:35] <mardi> dogatemycomputer: i'll be installing feisty
[03:35] <Carutsu> SheeEttin: yep only console
[03:36] <SheeEttin> That's for emergency work, really. It probably isn't necessary here.
[03:36] <dogatemycomputer> mardi: let me see if I can't find the command somewhere
[03:36] <mardi> dogatemycomputer: thanks much!
[03:36] <borgramaca> right after running /scripts/init-bottom i get the error "cannot find /sbin/udev on target filesystem
[03:38] <SheeEttin> Carutsu: I'm not sure what to tell you. Try making a topic on kubuntuforums.net. Someone there may be able to help.
[03:38] <SheeEttin> In any case, it's time for me to go to bed. Goddnight.
[03:38] <Carutsu> SheeEttin: thank you anyway
[03:38] <Carutsu> SheeEttin: i'm gonna reinstal i have home in other disk so i can reinstal safely
[03:38] <borgramaca> and then it throws me into busybox
[03:39] <Carutsu> oops he left already
[03:39] <borgramaca> can i fix this? or should i rather reinstall?
[03:39] <dogatemycomputer> http://ubuntu.wordpress.com/2006/01/29/move-home-to-its-own-partition/
[03:40] <mardi> dogatemycomputer: looking now, thanks
[03:40] <reya276> hello everyone
[03:40] <dogatemycomputer> mardi: that talks about moving /home but you should be able to adapt it to your situation also..
[03:40] <mardi> dogatemycomputer: aye, looks like what i need, thanks much :)
[03:40] <reya276> can anyone help me I need to get access as a superuser
[03:41] <reya276> I'm trying to install the libdvdcss2 for Ubuntu
[03:41] <dogatemycomputer> reya276: http://www.interwebworld.co.uk/9/configuring-kubuntu-for-root-logons/
[03:41] <dogatemycomputer> reya:  (assuming sudo doesn't work for you)
[03:42] <jtt> borgramaca, try  apt-get install udev
[03:43] <Carutsu> I have a beta cd over here if i install beta then download the updates
[03:43] <Carutsu> is the same?
[03:43] <reya276> yeah I got an error
[03:43] <reya276> E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13 Permission denied)
[03:43] <reya276> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), are you root?
[03:44] <Carutsu> try sudoing it
[03:44] <reya276> guys I'm a rookie at this, use to be a windows user
[03:44] <ardchoille> !libdvdcss
[03:44] <ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[03:45] <dsmith_> I have a ghost usb drive mounting now, is it fairly safe to edit fstab?
[03:45] <Davidasdf> any idea why adept wont open after a fetch update?
[03:45] <Davidasdf> it says it "could not be opened!" and i should apt-setup or apt-get update, but these dont do anything
[03:46] <Davidasdf> dsmith_: whats a ghost usb drive?
[03:46] <dogatemycomputer> Davidasdf: i've seen apt-get hang occasionally.  logging off/logging in usually corrects the problem..
[03:46] <Davidasdf> dogatemycomputer: thansk ill try that
[03:46] <dsmith_> ghost, meaning its mounting when it does not exist
[03:46] <dogatemycomputer> Davidasdf: you can also open the task manager and look for either "apt" or "adept" and try to kill the thread..
[03:46] <Davidasdf> dsmith_: what would be unsafe about it? it's not like you can corrupt the file system :p
[03:47] <dsmith_> hmmmm, I am still learning
[03:47] <dsmith_> thought I ask
[03:47] <Davidasdf> dogatemycomputer: , the task manager is bottom right?
[03:48] <K-Ryan> Hey guys, just poppin' in for a few minutes.
[03:49] <Pollywog> let's say I already have the k3b deb installed but I do not have the actual deb file.  Is there a way to check the recommended packages for k3b without downloading the file and using dpkg-deb?
[03:50] <borgramaca> jtt: I cant boot into kubuntu... is there a way to do apt-get from the live cd?
[03:51] <Pollywog> nm 'apt-cache show k3b' did the trick
[03:51] <Jucato> although that would show the dependencies of the k3b version in the repositories
[03:51] <Jucato> not the deb's dependencies
[03:51] <Carutsu> Hey guys update from beta or download it?
[03:51] <Pollywog> oic, I wanted to see the recommended packages and it does show that
[03:51] <Pollywog> thanks
[03:52] <ardchoille> Jucato: Well, if you've kept your system up to date, it should be the same, eh?
[03:52] <Jucato> ardchoille: not if he installed a separate .deb version, in which case that package won't be upgraded (afaik)
[03:52] <K-Ryan> Carutsu updating is usually fine. Unless you are looking for a clean install update will suffice.
[03:52] <ronnie> is there a reason why i can't change permissions for my toher partition?
[03:52] <K-Ryan> ronnie what kind of partition is it?
[03:52] <ronnie> ntfs
[03:53] <K-Ryan> That's probably the problem
[03:53] <yanick> excuse me guys...  i'm new with linux and installing stuffs is incredibly hard for me..  I'm trying out amarok right now which can't play mp3. Trying to install this codec pack but dunno how. anybody willing to give me a hand here?
[03:53] <ronnie> oh oops
[03:53] <ronnie> thanks
[03:53] <Carutsu> K-Ryan: mmm, I'm downloading the final but i have the beta, and i dont want to wait for the full
[03:53] <ronnie> wait i should be able to read
[03:53] <K-Ryan> Kubuntu, and Linux in general as far as I know is incompatible with ntfs.
[03:53] <K-Ryan> Yes, you should be able to read it.
[03:53] <Jucato> yanick: the codec you need is called "libxine-extracodecs"
[03:53] <Carutsu> K-Ryan: is not incompatible
[03:53] <Carutsu> not anymore
[03:53] <ronnie> yanick: i tihink the codec pack is in adept if you can get that working
[03:53] <Carutsu> !ntfs
[03:53] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[03:53] <Jucato> ronnie: ^^^^
[03:53] <yanick> ok l'll try it out
[03:53] <Carutsu> it was released soon ago
[03:54] <K-Ryan> Thanks Jucato ;)
[03:54] <K-Ryan> Carutsu what's your normal language?
[03:54] <Pollywog> becayse when I start k3b it says it will not be able to make music cd's
[03:54] <Pollywog> something is/was missing
[03:54] <ronnie> ubotu: mounting isnt the problem
[03:54] <Carutsu> K-Ryan: my native lunguage  is spansh
[03:54] <Carutsu> spanish
[03:54] <ronnie> i got it mounted ok, and i can view it with root
[03:54] <K-Ryan> !es | Carutsu
[03:54] <ubotu> Carutsu: Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[03:54] <Jucato> Pollywog: ah. that annoying error message?
[03:54] <Carutsu> and a bad typing
[03:54] <ronnie> but i want to view it without root
[03:54] <K-Ryan> De nada =P
[03:54] <Jucato> Pollywog: libk3b2-mp3 is what you need
[03:54] <Pollywog> something always seems to be missing ;)
[03:54] <Carutsu> K-Ryan: I'm fine at english thank you anyway
[03:55] <Pollywog> yes I just got it thanks
[03:55] <Carutsu> :D
[03:55] <Novice> hello.. i cant update my AVG free for Linux? do i need to reinstall it?
[03:55] <ronnie> when i try to set up the permissions in root so all can view, it says "cannot change permission of /media/windows"
[03:55] <Jucato> ronnie: you can view it without being root. just don't write to it
[03:55] <ronnie> Jucato: no i can't :p
[03:55] <K-Ryan> Carutsu if it's your native language it's worth a shot.
[03:55] <Pollywog> thanks jucato
[03:55] <mysticmarks> css encryption is a pain in kubuntu. it went easy in ubuntu. i tried the instructions.
[03:55] <Carutsu> K-Ryan: why did you spot me? my bad typing?
[03:55] <K-Ryan> But if you insist on sticking around here. Be my guest =)
[03:55] <Jucato> ronnie: did you follow the guide that the bot gave?
[03:55] <K-Ryan> Carutsu, just little things here and there. I understand you though.
[03:56] <ronnie> Jucato: that was for mounting
[03:56] <yanick> excuse me ronnie.  It isn't in Adept.  I've loaded the pack on the net and got this .deb  package that i must install manually. How does that work out
[03:56] <Pollywog> k-ryan: I should explain that my native language is English but I am from California ;)
[03:56] <yanick> ?:P
[03:56] <murali> hello everyone..i need desperate help cuz i'm not able to use the packaging system.i somehou screwed it up.and i've no clue wat to do abt it..
[03:56] <Novice> hi everyone... can anyone help me how to update my AVG free for Linux?
[03:56] <Jucato> ronnie: yes, and setting permissions for reading ntfs is part of mounting :)
[03:57] <K-Ryan> Pollywog I'm not quite sure what you're trying to say.
[03:57] <ronnie> yanick: i guess I'm wrong then, I don't remember. there used to be a program called easy ubuntu that set up all the common-sense stuff like that, dont' know if its still around
[03:57] <tin> BTW, i figured out the KDM screen size deal.
[03:57] <ronnie> Jucato: oh, roger that
[03:57] <tin> my xorg.conf modes line was the key
[03:57] <yanick> ok thanks anyway ^^
[03:57] <Pollywog> K-Ryan: that my English might be less than perfect
[03:57] <tin> put my chosen desktop size first in the list, and presto
[03:57] <K-Ryan> Yes but he was making mistakes that point out he doesn't speak English.
[03:58] <Pollywog> oic
[03:58] <tin> i thought i had already rearranged it, but i guess not
[03:58] <K-Ryan> I've spoken with people who didn't speak English as their primary language, so I'm used to the mistakes.
[03:58] <K-Ryan> It's always certain little things, you see the pattern after a while.
[03:58] <jtholmes> tin, now copy it a keep it around for the next time
[03:58] <tin> also, note that ctrl+alt+keypad-plus and -minus  cycle through the dimensions in the modes line
[03:59] <tin> useful for wuickly testing screen sizes and refreshes if you know the list order
[03:59] <ronnie> Jucato: i should be able to set permissions in the root browser, but its just saying there was an error
[04:00] <ronnie> Jucato: thanks for the help, appreciate it, but i give up for tonight
[04:01] <Jucato> ronnie: I think you need to add a proper entry in /etc/fstab for it
[04:01] <Jucato> that is, if you want to always mount it like that
[04:01] <ronnie> Jucato: i guess I'm just assuming that there was a GUI way to do everything
[04:02] <Jucato> ronnie: there is.
[04:02] <ronnie> Jucato: but really, the common-sense solution to these issues is just to never give a permissino error - just ask for a pword instead
[04:02] <Jucato> System Settings -> Advanced tab -> Disk & Filesystem
[04:02] <ronnie> Jucato: thats how i mounted it
[04:03] <Jucato> ronnie: I meant giving the mount the proper permissions/options to be readable by regular users
[04:03] <Jucato> mounting is one thing. properly mounting it with the needed options is another :)
[04:03] <ronnie> Jucato: how would i do that from Disk and Filesystem, can't find an easy way
[04:05] <ronnie> Jucato: anyway, thanks man, gotta run
[04:05] <lunar-raven> !dansguardian
[04:05] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about dansguardian - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:06] <Jucato> I'm not on Kubuntu right now, so I can't give the exact steps. But there should be some options there
[04:08] <Carutsu> is anyone aware if you can install the screensaver for boinc?
[04:10] <Jucato> !find boinc
[04:10] <ubotu> Found: boinc-app-seti, boinc-client, boinc-dev, boinc-manager, kboincspy (and 1 others)
[04:10] <evil-rhino> anyone know a good front-end for cdparanoia and flac/lame?
[04:10] <Jucato> Carutsu: maybe one of those apps ^^^
[04:10] <Jucato> evil-rhino: ripping audio cd's?
[04:10] <xaero> Does anyone know why aticonfig doesn't work?
[04:10] <Carutsu> Jucato: ok
[04:11] <evil-rhino> Jucato: yeah, but i want something that'll do a good, accurate job.
[04:11] <Jucato> !rip | evil-rhino
[04:11] <ubotu> evil-rhino: To rip an Audio CD in KDE, put it in and then put audiocd:// in the Konqueror URL bar; it's configurable in system settings. Also see http://tinyurl.com/2x7qsh
[04:11] <evil-rhino> wooo, go konqueror
[04:11] <Jucato> konqueror, k3b, and kaudiocreator all seem to do it well
[04:11] <Tm_T> Konqueror <3
[04:12] <Jucato> I'm just not sure which of them uses cdparanoia
[04:12] <Jucato> hi Tm_T :)
[04:12] <Tm_T> morning :)
[04:14] <Carutsu> Jucato evil-rhino: or you can use K3B which can do it too
[04:14] <Noldoaran> I have a screen resolution problem.  I looked at the howto, but still can't get it too work. I want my resolution to be 1280x1024, but my choices (in KDE's systemsettings) are ..., 1280x768, 1280x800, and 1280x1280. Any Ideas how I can fix it?
[04:15] <Jucato> Carutsu: hm.. I mentioned that :)
[04:15] <Carutsu> Jucato: oops i missed it
[04:15] <Noldoaran> here's my xorg.conf: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/19885/
[04:15] <Carutsu> Noldoaran: have you tried 915resolution ?
[04:15] <Noldoaran> yes
[04:15] <Carutsu> Noldoaran: mmm, already rebooted?
[04:16] <reya276> I was able to install the libdvdcss2 package but when I load a DVD movie it does not start
[04:16] <Noldoaran> Carutsu: yes
[04:16] <Carutsu> Noldoaran: it exceeds my scope, XD
[04:16] <Spamking> Hey, I'm trying to install Linux for the first time, and I want to dual-boot with windows, at least for now. How do I set up a partition on step 4 of the install process?
[04:17] <Carutsu> !dual booth
[04:17] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about dual booth - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:17] <Carutsu> mm, there is a howto somewhere
[04:17] <Noldoaran> Carutsu: I got it to work once from the feisty liveCD, and copyed that xorg.conf to my hard drive, but I can't get it to work when I boot from my hard drive
[04:17] <Carutsu> but basically you must make another partition
[04:17] <jtt> !dual boot
[04:17] <ubotu> Dual boot instructions:  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WindowsDualBootHowTo (x86/AMD64) - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/YabootConfigurationForMacintoshPowerPCsDualBoot (Macintosh)
[04:17] <Carutsu> jtt: thx
[04:17] <Spamking> ty
[04:17] <dsmith_> when I look at my rot directory. I see /home, /0755 and /media
[04:17] <jtt> Carutsu, ok
[04:18] <Carutsu> oops my poor english at work
[04:18] <dsmith_> is that normal for 0755?
[04:18] <dogatemycomputer> Noldoaran: have you tried the ati control panel?
[04:18] <dogatemycomputer> Noldoaran: I think its fglrx-control ?
[04:18] <Noldoaran> dogatemycomputer: no, but I don't have an ATI card, I have an intel chipset built-into the motherboard
[04:19] <dogatemycomputer> Noldoaran: i'm sorry.. :(   Intel is usually the best so i'm not sure what the problem could be.  I don't know enough about Intel.
[04:19] <dogatemycomputer> Noldoaran: be patient though.. someone is bound to be around to help!
[04:19] <Noldoaran> thanks anyway
[04:20] <Spamking> Um... the install program just froze at step 5...
[04:20] <hakaisou> what is the command for editing your active sound card?
[04:20] <Noldoaran> I didn't have this problem before I switched monitors.. (My old CRT died, so I got a new LCD)
[04:20] <hakaisou> it's like asound something
[04:21] <jtt> Spamking, do you have free space to create a 2 linux partitions  one for linux and one for swap
[04:21] <Carutsu> Noldoaran:  may be is the monitor detection then
[04:21] <hakaisou> what is the command for editing your active sound card?
[04:21] <hakaisou> what is the command for editing your active sound card?
[04:21] <hakaisou> it's like asound something
[04:21] <hakaisou> sorry for the double post
[04:21] <Spamking> Yes, that's been taken care of, but the ID field on the next step froze.
[04:21] <Noldoaran> Carutsu: how do i fix that?
[04:22] <jtt> asoundconf
[04:22] <Spamking> jtt: do I just try to cancel and restart the install?
[04:22] <jtt> Spamking, sure wont hurt anything
[04:22] <jtt> Spamking, you did boot from live cd correct
[04:22] <Spamking> jtt: yeah
[04:23] <Spamking> but the process won't end...
[04:23] <jtt> then killing it wont hurt a thing
[04:23] <dsmith_> !ivman
[04:23] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ivman - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:23] <jtt> Spamking, yes seen that before probably lost looking 4 free space to put linux
[04:23] <Spamking> jtt: is there a task-manager equivalent way to tend the program? (sorry, I'm kind of a newb)
[04:23] <Carutsu> Noldoaran: no clue at all, but once i had a problem, this is a laptop, and when i plugged the other monitor it kept going into that resolution
[04:23] <Carutsu> had to reinstal Xorg
[04:24] <jtt> Spamking,  try typing  CNTL +C
[04:24] <hakaisou> what is the command for editing your active sound card?
[04:24] <hakaisou> it's like asound something
[04:24] <jtt> hakaisou, asoundconf
[04:24] <Spamking> jtt: wait, type that where?
[04:24] <Noldoaran> Carutsu: apt-get reinstall xserver-xorg??? Is that the right command?
[04:25] <jtt> Spamking,  just  press  CNTL  hold it down and  press the letter c
[04:25] <stdin> Noldoaran, Carutsu: apt-get --reinstall install (Package)
[04:25] <hakaisou> thanks, I figured it out.
[04:25] <Carutsu> Noldoaran: nop
[04:26] <Spamking> jtt: wait, the copy command? what? control-c for me is the shortcut to copy...
[04:26] <Carutsu> Noldoaran: well err, let me find out
[04:26] <Noldoaran> ok
[04:26] <jtt> Spamking, no in Linux it is the kill command
[04:26] <jtt> no=not
[04:26] <Spamking> doesn't seem to be working...
[04:27] <Noldoaran> jtt: technically it's sigterm not sigkill
[04:27] <jtt> Spamking, then soft reboot to live cd
[04:27] <Spamking> Ok. thanks.
[04:27] <jtt> Noldoaran, correct
[04:28] <Carutsu> Noldoaran: sorry i used Adept, can anybody tell me how to reinstall with apt-get?
[04:28] <stdin> Noldoaran, Carutsu: apt-get --reinstall install (Package)
[04:28] <Carutsu> thank you stdin
[04:29] <tin> if you're using Konsole, ctrl+c is NOT "copy"
[04:29] <tin> you have to use the edit menu manually
[04:30] <tin> or if you just highlight it, you can use the middle mouse button to paste it somewhere else
[04:30] <Carutsu> shift ins is paste
[04:31] <tin> of course, the fact that the the middle mouse clipboard isn't related to the cltr+c/shift+ins clipboard is lame
[04:31] <Noldoaran> ok, I'll try to reinstall xorg.. bbl
[04:32] <LordDaVista> Hi everyone
[04:32] <dogatemycomputer> DaVista?
[04:32] <LordDaVista> yup
[04:32] <dogatemycomputer> ok.. just making sure *rubbing eyes*
[04:32] <lettuce> hello
[04:35] <Carutsu> dogatemycomputer: XD
[04:36] <Carutsu> I hope is his last name, i'm prying
[04:37] <mrkris> hiya. w/ the recent updates made available, anyone notice any issues with system freezes?
[04:37] <jtt> mrkris, how recent  one day one week ??
[04:38] <mrkris> past 3 days
[04:38] <mrkris> i have just noticed my system is staggeringly slow, and will eventually freeze. i have ZERO rogue processes. 2gb ram free, and more than enough CPU
[04:38] <jtt> mrkris, i havent upgraded my feisty in 5-6 days so cant tell you
[04:38] <mrkris> damn, it's fucked my shit up :D
[04:38] <jtt> !language
[04:38] <ubotu> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[04:39] <mrkris> this is a family channel? :D
[04:39] <stdin> mrkris: "family friendly" yes
[04:39] <mrkris> sorry, our families must be different. mine talk bad and touch me in funny places
[04:40] <jtt> mrkris, maybe you should put on  full house and eat some crow :)
[04:40] <mrkris> O_O
[04:40] <Carutsu> eat crow?
[04:41] <Carutsu> may be it's me but crows arent those black birds?
[04:41] <jtt> Carutsu, an American euphamism
[04:41] <Carutsu> jtt: i see
[04:42] <nbcb> i need some help on raid.. i hear a beep sound from my server
[04:42] <jtt> Carutsu, yes those black birds :)
[04:42] <nbcb> and i think one of the disk (total 5 disk) is down
[04:42] <nbcb> what's the command to check?
[04:42] <mrkris> brb
[04:42] <lettuce> I'm trying to delete some lines of text from /etc/fstab but I can't. I have it opened up in kate, how do i save the changes?
[04:43] <rikanferal> Does anyone know why Swiftfox won't accept my system widget themes when Firefox does?
[04:43] <Noldoaran> Carutsu: no luck
[04:44] <Carutsu> Noldoaran: mm, bad to hear
[04:44] <Noldoaran> Carutsu: do I have to reboot the whole system after reinstalling?
[04:44] <Noldoaran> perhaps I should try that
[04:44] <Carutsu> Noldoaran: well i did
[04:44] <Carutsu> you just killed X?
[04:45] <Noldoaran> yes, and kdm
[04:45] <lettuce>  I'm trying to delete some lines of text from /etc/fstab but I can't. I have it opened up in kate, how do i save the changes?
[04:45] <Carutsu> if that doesnt work why dont you try reinstlling?
[04:45] <Minataku> lettuce: Kate is a GUI editor?
[04:45] <Jucato> Minataku: gui text editor
[04:45] <Noldoaran> (kdm would resurect X if i didn't kill kdm too)
[04:45] <lettuce> no, text
[04:45] <Minataku> You know what I mean
[04:45] <Noldoaran> Carutsu: reinstalling everything?
[04:45] <Jucato> lettuce: you need to run Kate with admin privileges. kdesu kate
[04:46] <lettuce> thank you
[04:46] <Carutsu> Noldoaran: I would give it a shoot
[04:46] <nbcb> what's the command to check how many disks i have? fdisk -l ?
[04:47] <Carutsu> Noldoaran: but first try reboting, then try booting into a live cd
[04:47] <Carutsu> Noldoaran: that's what I would do
[04:47] <nbcb> !raid
[04:47] <ubotu> Raid and LVM --> very easy guide for alternate CD : http://users.piuha.net/martti/comp/ubuntu/raid.html Tips and tricks for RAID and LVM can be found on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RaidConfigurationHowto and http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO
[04:47] <stdin> nbcb: yeah, but you'll probably need to use sudo with it
[04:47] <Jucato> nbcb: that shows you how many partitions you have, but yeah. (sudo fdisk -l)
[04:47] <nbcb> Disk /dev/sda: 1999.3 GB, 1999307276288 bytes
[04:48] <Noldoaran> Carutsu: ok, I'll give it a shot tomarrow..
[04:48] <nbcb> but i have 5 disk how do i look at the rest?
[04:48] <Carutsu>  /dev/sda1, /dev/sda2,/dev/sda3...
[04:48] <nbcb> that's partition
[04:49] <stdin> ls /dev/(s|h)d[a-z] 
[04:49] <stdin> opps, no, it's: ls /dev/[h,s] d[a-z] 
[04:49] <Carutsu> nbcb: wow, 2 mistakes in an hour I'm getting better at those
[04:50] <Carutsu> hey btw it changed from Edgy, werent those caled hda.... nevermind i get it sda is partition hda is phisical disks?
[04:50] <Carutsu> right?
[04:50] <stdin> Carutsu: no
[04:50] <nbcb> yeah i only have sda1,2,3 and hda.. but i think i have 5 disks in raid
[04:50] <Carutsu> stdin 3 in a row
[04:50] <stdin> Carutsu: sda = scsi, hda = IDE
[04:50] <Carutsu> stdi!sda
[04:51] <jtt> Carutsu, alan cox rewrote the drivers and all disks will be be known as  sdX
[04:51] <stdin> * some odd/old devices will still be hd?
[04:51] <stdin> ? = a letter
[04:51] <jtt> stdin, true
[04:52] <jtt> Carutsu, they dont allow perfect people on this channel so you are amongst good company
[04:52] <stdin> what?? I'd better leave then :P
[04:52] <jtt> stdin, me first
[04:53] <lettuce> I need to set the permissions of a partition to view and modify content. I can't because of these damn root user permision things. How do I make it so that I can use my partitions freely?
[04:53] <ses1959_> question about the place that you can set default programs to open like open office is now and i want kword
[04:53] <no-s0und> i don't have sound with kubuntu .. i have sound blaster live 5.1 card
[04:54] <dragonfly7> I am trying to set up something to play a sound automatically. Does anyone know how to play an audio file from the command line?
[04:54] <nbcb> !mdadm
[04:54] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mdadm - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:54] <stdin> lettuce: you don't set the permissions of the partition, just the filesystem
[04:54] <lettuce> well then ok the file system
[04:54] <stdin> dragonfly7: try aplay sound-file.ogg
[04:55] <jtt> lettuce, are you frustrated with the sudo command
[04:55] <dragonfly7> stdin: Thank you.
[04:55] <jtt> lettuce, i am being polite with that question dont take offense
[04:55] <no-s0und> i can't see the root folder when browsing .. they are ennabled = false like usr and etc ...
[04:55] <lettuce> I'm just frusterated that after mounting my partitions that the default it read-only
[04:55] <Monkey_kid> which is easier to use, ubuntu or kubuntu?
[04:56] <ses1959_> found it the place is system setting
[04:56] <stdin> lettuce: you do that with mount, eg mount /dev/sda3 /mymount -o fmask=111,dmask=000
[04:56] <rikanferal> Monkey_kid: Ubuntu has easier documentation for newbies
[04:56] <stdin> lettuce: that would allow any user to read/write
[04:56] <stdin> !hidden | no-s0und
[04:56] <ubotu> no-s0und: Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft) has implemented a new feature that hides most of the filesystem. For more information: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuHiddenFiles . This will be removed in Kubuntu 7.04 (Feisty Fawn)
[04:56] <rikanferal> Monkey_kid: Until you learn enough to translate Gnome oriented guides to KDE, just use Ubuntu
[04:57] <Monkey_kid> so it'd be a better idea to take kubuntu off and install ubuntu when i get it in the mail?
[04:57] <rikanferal> Monkey_kid: You can convert a Kubuntu install to an Ubuntu install without reinstalling
[04:57] <Monkey_kid> k
[04:58] <rikanferal> Kubuntu and Ubuntu are KDE and Gnome (respectively), with a different collection of applications.
[04:58] <rikanferal> But there's a lot of overlap, the same kernel, etc
[04:58] <Monkey_kid> and another thing..i've got windows xp on this pc as well...ad i found about a week ago i was missing about 4gb on my hd with xp
[04:58] <stdin> * different selection of _default_ applications
[04:59] <stratman4300_> anyone out there running gutsy yet???
[04:59] <rikanferal> Monkey_kid: Missing...?
[04:59] <Monkey_kid> completely missing
[04:59] <rikanferal> As in you can't see it with QTparted/
[04:59] <Monkey_kid> i had 28gb total space, and now its about 23gb
[04:59] <Monkey_kid> no, i can't see it while on xp
[04:59] <rikanferal> Did you shrink the partition?
[05:00] <rikanferal> Run QTparted and take another look
[05:00] <Monkey_kid> the 23gb hd has xp, and the other 4gb hd has kubuntu
[05:00] <lettuce> how do i set the permisions to read and write if I've already mounted the partition?
[05:00] <rikanferal> I wouldn't put it past XP to misreport the total HD space available
[05:00] <rikanferal> lettuce: You need to edit the /etc/fstab file
[05:00] <Monkey_kid> its always said 28 before
[05:01] <tin> lettuce: you can unmount it and then mount it rw
[05:01] <tin> or use the remount option
[05:01] <ubuntu> somone please help, I just installed "Ubuntu" on top of my XP and when i reboot I get "grub error 17".  I looked online to see grub is not properly setup, I tried using "grub shell" and it failed to change anything, i also tried "grub-install" after i mount /boot partition.  Any help be much appreciated
[05:01] <stdin> lettuce: use "mount /mount/point -o remount,fmask=111,dmask=000"
[05:01] <rikanferal> Monkey_kid: Check it in QTparted anyway :). It may well show you what's up.
[05:01] <Monkey_kid> i can't seem to find it
[05:01] <rikanferal> Monkey_kid: Type "sudo apt-get install qtparted" in the terminal
[05:02] <Monkey_kid> run?
[05:02] <rikanferal> Konsole.
[05:02] <n00bGrubber> "ubuntu" is know known as n00bGrubber [appologise] 
[05:02] <rikanferal> If you're in Kubuntu it should be under System in your menu
[05:03] <Monkey_kid> couldn't find it :s
[05:03] <Monkey_kid> i mean konsole didn't find qparted
[05:03] <Monkey_kid> ohh nvm
[05:03] <rikanferal> qtparted, not qparted
[05:04] <Monkey_kid> sorry
[05:04] <rikanferal> Np :)
[05:04] <Monkey_kid> it foundd it now
[05:04] <Gata> hi somebody want tro talk with me
[05:04] <rikanferal> Did it install?
[05:04] <Monkey_kid> its installing now
[05:04] <n00bGrubber> I have tried "grub find /boot/grub/stage1" and it says file not found :(
[05:04] <rikanferal> n00bGrubber: Have you run "sudo update-grub" ?
[05:04] <n00bGrubber> i did "mount /dev/hda3 /boot" and still no luck :(
[05:05] <n00bGrubber> all with sudo yes
[05:05] <n00bGrubber> yes i have
[05:05] <n00bGrubber> o no sorry
[05:05] <Gata> i wold like to fix my web in the konqueros of linux
[05:05] <rikanferal> Did you install with a /boot partition, or all on the one?
[05:05] <rikanferal> Gata: Konqueror uses KHTML - like Safari
[05:05] <Gata> any body speak spanish here
[05:05] <stdin> !es | Gata
[05:05] <ubotu> Gata: Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[05:06] <rikanferal> Monkey_kid: When it installs, run it and poke around. It's pretty obvious how to use it.
[05:06] <Monkey_kid> k thanks :)
[05:07] <Monkey_kid> it must be xp that can't recognise the 28gb, qtparted sees it as 28
[05:07] <n00bGrubber> would sudo update-grub fix "grub error 17"?
[05:07] <reya276> can anyone help me get beryl working, I already have it installed along with emerald, I just can't get the special effects or themes to show
[05:07] <reya276> I even installed the XGL libs
[05:08] <n00bGrubber> as using grub shell "find /boot/grub/stage1" fails
[05:08] <n00bGrubber> reya276 "tried using "beryl-manager"?
[05:09] <reya276> yes I'm in it right now, there is no apply button or anything like that
[05:09] <rikanferal> Monkey_kid: Yeah. You've narrowed your problem down :)
[05:09] <rikanferal> Is there unpartitioned space at the end of the HD, or is the NTFS partition 28?
[05:09] <Monkey_kid> so there isn't much i can do about the 4-5gb missing on that hd ?
[05:10] <Monkey_kid> uhh
[05:10] <Monkey_kid> dunno
[05:10] <Monkey_kid> ever since we got it, its been saying its 28gb
[05:10] <Monkey_kid> about a week after installing kubuntu, it goes missing
[05:11] <Monkey_kid> at first oi only wanted to install kubuntu for my other computer which has 64mb ram
[05:12] <Monkey_kid> but i found that i can't start either with the linux hd removed
[05:12] <rikanferal> Monkey_kid: Reinstall XP. I doubt Kubuntu had anything to do with this.
[05:13] <reya276> anyone knows how to get Beryl working, showing the themes and effects
[05:13] <rikanferal> Monkey_kid: Unless you reinstall the Windows Bootloader :)
[05:13] <rikanferal> reya276: I've done it a few times
[05:13] <stdin> Monkey_kid: XP won't "see" the kubuntu partition
[05:13] <reya276> cool can you help me
[05:13] <Monkey_kid> that would be another problem..i got my xp preinstalled
[05:13] <Monkey_kid> so i don't have a disc
[05:14] <stdin> reya276: help is in #ubuntu-effects
[05:14] <rikanferal> Monkey_kid: You can probably DL a floppy that installs it from teh intarwebs - but I know nothing about Windows
[05:15] <jtt> Monkey_kid, do you know how to use fdisk /dev/...
[05:15] <Monkey_kid> and i got heaps of stuff i don't want deleted...and no removable storage big enough
[05:15] <Monkey_kid> no i don't
[05:15] <tin> Monkey_kid: does Parted say the DRIVE is 28 GB, or the XP partition is 28 GB?
[05:15] <Alonea> jlilly: ok, well, I got it installed, got rid of the b0 error, but now I have a kernal trap. :(
[05:15] <Monkey_kid> the drive
[05:16] <tin> and this drive also has ubuntu on it?
[05:16] <Monkey_kid> no
[05:16] <jtt> Monkey_kid, got to this conversation late  are u booted on linus
[05:16] <Monkey_kid> kubuntu is on a separate hd
[05:16] <jtt> linus=linux
[05:16] <Monkey_kid> i'm on linux
[05:16] <jtt> Monkey_kid, what  drive  /dev/hdb  /dev/sdb  ??
[05:17] <tin> how big does Parted say the XP partition is?
[05:17] <hitmanWilly> jtt: more acurately, linus is a subset of linux :)
[05:17] <rikanferal> tin: We just went over this :). The size it should be
[05:17] <jtt> hitmanWilly, hello willy
[05:17] <hitmanWilly> howdy
[05:17] <Monkey_kid> i don't think you understand..
[05:17] <Monkey_kid> the 28gb hd only has xp on it
[05:18] <Monkey_kid> and i've got a separate 4gb hd that i installed linux on
[05:18] <Monkey_kid> and i'm missing 4gb on the xp hd
[05:19] <jtt> Monkey_kid, ok   fdisk  -l  /dev/XdXX   and see what the  cylinder list reports on the xp drive might tell you something
[05:19] <tin> Monkey_kid: in Konsole, run 'parted' and use the 'print' command
[05:19] <tin> paste that to us
[05:19] <tin> http://rafb.net/paste <- paste it here
[05:20] <Monkey_kid> fdisk is another program?
[05:20] <Monkey_kid> or do i put that in konsole?
[05:21] <jtt> tin, i dont believe parted lists the cylinders
[05:21] <tin> Monkey_kid: don't mess with fdisk yet
[05:21] <tin> it's very powerful and can break things
[05:21] <dogatemycomputer> i prefer gparted
[05:21] <dogatemycomputer> i don't particularly like qparted
[05:21] <jtt> not the minus -l  option it only ready the drive table
[05:22] <tin> jtt: no, but it'll show us the partition table. i just want to see what we're dealing with
[05:22] <Monkey_kid> so do i enter that in konsole?
[05:22] <tin> Monkey_kid: run 'parted /dev/hda', then 'print', then 'quit'
[05:22] <tin> paste that to the site i posted
[05:22] <baudthief> anyone know of a decent terminal emulator with ansi support? Need to talk to a device using serial, cutecom doesn't support ansi escape sequences
[05:23] <tin> then do the same with 'parted /dev/hdb'
[05:23] <tin> in Konsole, yes
[05:24] <jtt> baudthief, minicom
[05:24] <[Vista] HungryBee> hi
[05:24] <[Vista] HungryBee> anybody into women
[05:24] <jtt> !language
[05:24] <ubotu> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[05:24] <stdin> !offtopic | [Vista] HungryBee
[05:24] <ubotu> [Vista] HungryBee: #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[05:25] <baudthief> jtt: minicom appears to be modem specific (I dont want it to initialize or anything, just open the serial port and display output)
[05:25] <[Vista] HungryBee> sorry to offend you gays.
[05:25] <Jucato> [Vista] HungryBee: please be civil or leave the channel. this isn't a social chat channel
[05:25] <[Vista] HungryBee> ok i have problem with kubuntu
[05:25] <jtt> baudthief, yes you are correct :)
[05:25] <lobster> anyone tried kubuntu on a fujitsu 3400 tablet pc?
[05:25] <[Vista] HungryBee> it doesn't help me get women
[05:26] <Monkey_kid> it doesn't seem to do anything
[05:26] <tin> doesn't seem to?
[05:26] <tin> what's the Konsole screen show?
[05:26] <Monkey_kid> i type commands, and it does nothing
[05:26] <[Vista] HungryBee> it shows 80 columns
[05:27] <[Vista] HungryBee> Monkey_kid: have you tried su <enter> init 0
[05:27] <Jucato> Monkey_kid: don't (not that it will work. but don't)
[05:27] <jtt> baudthief, there was a console ouput function assiciated with capturing console output to another computer but the name of that function escapes me
[05:27] <Monkey_kid> no i haven't
[05:27] <Saied> Hi all
[05:27] <tin> Monkey_kid: how can nothing happen?
[05:27] <Monkey_kid> i'm so lost :s
[05:27] <Saied> I have a question about language flags shown in taskbar
[05:28] <jtt> baudthief, let me see if I can find it in my notes
[05:28] <nbcb>  hear a loud sound from my machine (5 harddisk raid) ..and found out there's a disk that's faulty.. but the machine still able to boot up.. what should i do? replace the disk and rebuild? will there be any data lost?
[05:28] <Saied> what is the location of image file flags in filesystem? (kubuntu 7.04)
[05:28] <baudthief> jtt: thanks, appreciated
[05:28] <Monkey_kid> for the first time it said permission denied, but nothing else after
[05:28] <tin> Monkey_kid: you opened Konsole, typed 'parted /dev/hda' and hit enter and nothing happened?
[05:28] <Saied> Is it in kdebase-data package ?
[05:28] <Monkey_kid> it said permission denied
[06:04] (MuJ/#kubuntu) apt-get install package
[06:05] <Tm_T> don't forget sudo
[06:05] <prokarya88> it say permission denied. Are you root?
[06:06] <MuJ> sudo doesn't install anything
[06:06] <Tm_T> MuJ: er?
[06:06] <Yorokobi> The correct command is 'sudo apt-get install <packagename>'
[06:06] <Tm_T> Yorokobi: exactly
[06:06] <Jucato> MuJ: he won't be able to install anything without sudo
[06:06] <MuJ> "correct"
[06:06] <MuJ> of course he can
[06:07] <Tm_T> MuJ: hi honey
[06:07] <MuJ> hi
[06:07] <Tm_T> want some invite?
[06:07] <MuJ> sure
[06:08] <MuJ> (irc nazi)
[06:08] <Yorokobi> IRC Nationalist? Interesting concept.
[06:09] <prokarya88> it works now, but how can i see the list of games?
[06:09] <Yorokobi> prokarya88: use a package manager (adept, synaptic, dselect)
[06:12] <Tm_T> back to work ->
[06:14] <prokarya88> i can't find where is the package manager? Is it suppose to be in system setting
[06:15] <pag> prokarya88, kmenu -> system -> adept manager
[06:18] <kinp> My wireless network will only work sometimes what can be wrong?
[06:19] <prokarya88> thank you, i can see the list now
[06:21] <kinp> KLauncher could not be reached via DCOP. What is this?
[06:21] <kinp> #windows
[06:24] <maass_> 
[06:24] <maass_> hi
[06:27] <kayku> Hi everybody! I have a question: When I save an e-mail, written with Kontakt-mail, then the the special german letters    look lilke garbage!
[06:27] <kayku> Did someone have that problem before?
[06:31] <kayku> problem solved, I tried coding West-European Iso...
[06:32] <dreegon> hi
[06:32] <dreegon> any one use wine here
[06:32] <pag> !anyone | dreegon
[06:32] <ubotu> dreegon: A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?
[06:33] <dreegon> having problams with wine says canot use direct drew
[06:33] <dreegon> draw
[06:35] <pag> dreegon, afaik wine's support for directX components isn't at the best possible level
[06:36] <dreegon> is there any other way of running windows software on kubunto
[06:37] <pag> dreegon, I'm not aware of any other free methods.
[06:37] <dreegon> kk thanks
[06:39] <prokarya88> one last question, is it possible to set auto logon like windows?
[06:39] <jhutchins_lt> prokarya88: Yes, with kde.
[06:39] <Shaezsche> how can i empty Root's trash? i dleted some stuff with sudo
[06:39] <Yorokobi> Shaezsche: did you use 'sudo rm somefile' ??
[06:40] <Shaezsche> no, i typed sudo konqueror
[06:40] <Shaezsche> and deleted it
[06:40] <dreegon> any one have a wmv or a good movie player for kubunto
[06:40] <pag> Shaezsche, /root/.local/share/Thash (or something like that)
[06:41] <jhutchins_lt> dreegon: mplayer or vlc
[06:41] <dreegon> have you a link please
[06:42] <pag> dreegon, sudo apt-get install mplayer  :)
[06:43] <Shaezsche> ok i emtied .root/trash but it didnt free up space wtf
[06:43] <purpleh> anyone had that problem with feisty ? the power manager always says that battery is fully charged, even if it isn't - and it does not charge
[06:43] <Shaezsche> nm
[06:43] <Shaezsche> fixed it
[06:44] <Shaezsche> how can i view the results of my last fsck
 Couldn't find package mplayer
[06:44] <Shaezsche> i think it died with exit status 1, and had 32% non-contiguous
[06:45] <pag> !info mplayer
[06:45] <ubotu> mplayer: The Ultimate Movie Player For Linux. In component multiverse, is extra. Version 2:1.0~rc1-0ubuntu9 (feisty), package size 3966 kB, installed size 10000 kB
[06:46] <pag> dreegon, do you have multiverse enabled?
[06:46] <rizoma> hi i've installed compiz everything it's ok but, how i can get it at login menu?
[06:46] <dreegon> have no idea new to this
[06:47] <pag> !multiverse | dreegon
[06:47] <ubotu> dreegon: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[06:48] <pag> rizoma, what do you mean? You want it to start at the same time with KDE?
[06:48] <rizoma> yes or i can choose something and not in the terminal
[06:48] <rizoma> (sorry 4 my bad english)
[06:49] <Yorokobi> !autostart | rizoma
[06:49] <ubotu> rizoma: To make programs autostart with your KDE session, you can make a link to it in ~/.kde/Autostart. The package 'kcontrol-autostart' makes a kcontrol item for handling items in that directory.
[06:50] <rizoma> pag:  another question, i've something to specify to compiz?, sometimes windowdecoration crash!...
[06:50] <sgaglione> anyone running kubuntu feisty on a dell gx620?
[06:51] <sgaglione> or is anyone having issues with powerdowns or restarts?
[06:51] <sgaglione> my system freezes on shutown and restarts, goes to a blank screen and stays there
[06:52] <pag> rizoma, pardon? Your window decoration crashes and you want to know, if there's some setting that can prevent it? If that's the case, then sorry, I don't know
[06:53] <rizoma> pag: thanks for the help
[06:53] <rizoma> :)
[06:53] <sgaglione_> anyone having shutdown and restart issues?
[06:54] <sgaglione_> like frozen screens?
[06:54] <Solifugus> What packages should I install to get the apache/php so I can do local web development?
[06:54] <Solifugus> Also.. getting a normal compiler chain looks perplexing..
[06:55] <Yorokobi> !lamp | Solifugus
[06:55] <ubotu> Solifugus: LAMP is an acronym for Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP. However, the term is often used for setups using alternative but different software, such as Perl or Python instead of PHP, and Postgres instead of MySQL. For help with setting up LAMP on Ubuntu, see  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP - See also the Server CD installation process (different in Edgy+)
[06:55] <dreegon> k pag think thats all done
[06:55] <Solifugus> Yorokobi: tanks!
[06:56] <sgaglione_> anyone with powerdown or restart issues?
[07:00] <atidem_> ciao
[07:01] <edgy> Hi, my terminal doesn't beep in feisy, any hint how can I make it beep? I also installed beep and it's not working too
[07:01] <rizoma> someone use compiz?
[07:02] <venik> my kicker died again-- last time I had to re-install kubuntu!
[07:02] <rizoma> kicker?
[07:02] <venik> I uninstalled and re-intalled it, but it is still dead, or at least hiding
[07:02] <rizoma> what is a kicker?
[07:02] <pag> rizoma, panel :)
[07:02] <venik> the panel at the bottom of the screen, where the running programs are shown
[07:03] <rizoma> ghghg
[07:03] <rizoma> sorry
[07:03] <venik> I think this is a known bug
[07:03] <vbgunz> whats the difference between kghostview and kpdf?
[07:03] <venik> but what do I do to unhide it?
[07:04] <pag> venik, open kcontrol (via alt+f2) desktop->panels->hiding
[07:05] <venik> can you be a little more specific?
[07:05] <venik> I have konsole open
[07:06] <pag> venik, type "kcontrol" (without quotation marks)
[07:07] <edgy> Hi, Konsole doesn't beep thought I set the settings -> bell -> system bell, what's wrong please?
[07:07] <venik> It was not installed-- I am installing it
[07:08] <venik> installed
[07:09] <venik> OK-- I think I can fix it now
[07:09] <venik> thanks
[07:10] <venik> when will they fix this bug?????????????
[07:10] <nbcb> need help on aacraid module.. is there any apps that comes with it?
[07:11] <pag> venik, what bug?
[07:11] <kubuntian> guys, do you know an IRC channel about MATLAB? i need some real time help and i don't know where to go
[07:14] <musaddi> I have RAID configured on my system. Can I install kubuntu Feisty on it? I have K8M800 chipset(MSI K8M neo-V)
[07:14] <venik> I lost the very nice SystemSetting menu...
[07:14] <venik> now I have only the verbose version, without the icons
[07:15] <Ertain> Hello everyone.  I've been trying to just use my wireless connection.  While I did edit my /etc/network/interfaces to reflect this it doesn't connect when I start up, and I have to manually configure it with iwconfig.  I don't exactly know what the problem is.  It could be that the line in the "interface" file for the key doesn't specifiy an "open" key, but I don't know for sure.
[07:15] <kwazar> hello!!! ))
[07:16] <kwazar> Russian zdes est? :)
[07:16] <pag> !ru | kwazar
[07:16] <ubotu> kwazar:    #ubuntu-ru       /  Pozhalujsta vojdite v #ubuntu-ru dlq pomoshchi na russkom qzyke
[07:16] <compilerwriter> !language
[07:16] <ubotu> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[07:17] <kwazar> yo
[07:17] <compilerwriter> Is there a list of languages availiable from the bot?
[07:18] <compilerwriter> ubotu languages
[07:18] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about languages - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:18] <compilerwriter> ubotu what do you know?
[07:18] <pag> compilerwriter, almost any countrycode will do
[07:19] <compilerwriter> !us
[07:19] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about us - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:19] <compilerwriter> ping
[07:19] <compilerwriter> !de
[07:20] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[07:20] <Yorokobi> compilerwriter: if you're going to play with the bot, please use /msg ubotu <query>
[07:21] <compilerwriter> yorkobi sorry just needed a bit of whimsy
[07:21] <compilerwriter> !XDMCP
[07:21] <ubotu> xdmcp is the X Display Manger Control Protocol -- look at http://tldp.org/HOWTO/XDMCP-HOWTO/ to find out how to configure it
[07:21] <yanick> excuse me people can someone tell me how to access my Kernel config file?
[07:23] <Sanne> yanick: it should be in /boot
[07:23] <yanick> i'll go check it out thanks
[07:23] <Sanne> yanick: you're welcome
[07:25] <kekos> does anyone use virtual box?
[07:25] <kekos> i have a prob
[07:25] <angeldarkholme> hi guys...could you please help me with this:
[07:25] <mishon> 
[07:25] <angeldarkholme> I downloaded an installed netbeans for kubuntu
[07:25] <angeldarkholme> from synaptic
[07:25] <pag> !ru | mishon
[07:25] <ubotu> mishon:    #ubuntu-ru       /  Pozhalujsta vojdite v #ubuntu-ru dlq pomoshchi na russkom qzyke
[07:25] <angeldarkholme> I downloaded the .tgz file required and i put it in the /temp directory as needed
[07:26] <angeldarkholme> but now...if I try to run netbeans
[07:26] <pag> kekos, what kind of problem?
[07:26] <angeldarkholme> i can't see anything....
[07:26] <angeldarkholme> the window is completely gray
[07:27] <angeldarkholme> it looks like netbeans is working but the window is gray
[07:27] <angeldarkholme> so i cant see anything....menus and so on
[07:27] <angeldarkholme> its just a gray window
[07:28] <laca__> Hello... can someone tell me, what it depends on whether KNetworkManager lists networks or not? Mine, if i click it, no longer lists them, i just see Manual Configuration..., Options, Help, Quit menu items
[07:28] <Yorokobi> angeldarkholme: I had that problem when I was using Beryl & Java WS applications.
[07:28] <angeldarkholme> so...i have to turn of beryl?
[07:28] <Yorokobi> angeldarkholme: if you're using Beryl, yeah.
[07:28] <laca__> ...while wireless net does work.
[07:28] <angeldarkholme> mmm interesting stuff...
[07:28] <angeldarkholme> you were right
[07:29] <angeldarkholme> so...do you know if there's a way to use both at the same time?
[07:29] <Yorokobi> I do not. I haven't looked into the problem very closely.
[07:29] <angeldarkholme> mmm
[07:29] <angeldarkholme> oncee with netbens open i can run beryl again
[07:29] <angeldarkholme> and it works ok
[07:30] <angeldarkholme> well thanks a lot
[07:30] <cabled_> any ideas how to fix my keyboard not working problem? i found this with midnight commander > !platform-i8042-serio0-event-kbd this was in the main directory of the user the keyboards not working in
[07:32] <yoyodncn> laca have you choose to connect to other wireless network?
[07:33] <laca__> yoyodncn: i have not even that menu item
[07:34] <Yorokobi> laca__: is your wifi device enabled in knetworkmanager?
[07:35] <yanick> i'm trying yo install my graphic driver right now which is a pain in the butt. My Xorg is too recent (7.2)  thus is can't find ther proper directory when installing. The system is giving me a command line to overide that problem with that syntax:  X_VERSION=<xdir> ./ati-driver-installer-<ver>-<arch>.run [--install]       but that doesn't work :S   anyway this is how I tried writing the instruction:   X_VERSION=x720
[07:35] <yanick> ./ati-driver-installer-8.36.5.run --install      anyone knows why this doesn't work?
[07:35] <laca__> Yorokobi: sure, i'm on internet thru the wifi devide right now
[07:36] <laca__> but i can't see it
[07:39] <mariana> i need one program for a geodesic dome
[07:40] <bhestir> kcontrol
[07:43] <murali> hi all.. i'm a newbie..i'm doing a project that requires me to connect to the pc thro the gsm modem on my mobile phone.. i jus want to know hou to check if my data cable is working or not..
[07:43] <murali> someone plz help me
[07:47] <laca__> Yorokobi: sorry, i can see it, in "Manual configuration..." and yes, the wireless device is enabled
[07:48] <sven_> www.nvidia.de
[07:49] <maxcxam> #ubuntu
[07:50] <laca__> Hello... can someone tell me, what it depends on whether KNetworkManager lists networks or not? Mine, if i click it, no longer lists them, i just see Manual Configuration..., Options, Help, Quit menu items
[07:50] <maxcxam> give plz adress for ubuntu channel
[07:50] <maxcxam> russian plz
[07:50] <Yorokobi> !ru | maxcxam
[07:50] <flohrian> hi
[07:50] <ubotu> maxcxam:    #ubuntu-ru       /  Pozhalujsta vojdite v #ubuntu-ru dlq pomoshchi na russkom qzyke
[07:51] <roadfish> how do I change the volume label of a FAT32 memory-card?
[07:53] <ubuntu__> hi
[07:55] <ubuntu__> i have a big trouble. I had problems booting my reiserfs partition, and automatic fsck was made, and it couldnt fix all the problems, so it suggested me to fdo a --rebuild-tree
[07:55] <ubuntu__> i do it and it failed at 60% saying there may be a hardware falure with bad block
[07:55] <ubuntu__> how can i recover the information in the partiton? its unmountable now
[07:57] <ubuntu__> hello
[07:57] <ubuntu__> ?
[07:57] <olimpico> hi
[07:57] <olimpico> hi
[07:58] <esben> ubuntu__: Try again? If the fsck cannot repair it, you are basically lost. I think namesys offers to recover your data for a fee, though
[07:59] <gugaman> hello
[07:59] <gugaman> my name is gugaman
[07:59] <murali> hi all... on my system,it doesn seem to be showin the device manager window wen i click on it... wat could be the problem?
[07:59] <gugaman> I can get extremely annoying
[07:59] <gugaman> and hate all humans
[07:59] <gugaman> monkeys are okay, but humans SUCK
[07:59] <gugaman> they suck alot
[08:00] <gugaman> like really bad
[08:00] <olimpico> I want to know how to configure the order of soundcards, I have two and sometimes one is the first and sometimes the other.
[08:00] <gugaman> and they are so....stupid
[08:00] <gugaman> and like, just dumb....
[08:00] <gugaman> Let's here it for all us monkeys
[08:00] <esben> murali: Come again?
[08:00] <gugaman> with furry brown hair
[08:00] <gugaman> and pink whiskers
[08:00] <gugaman> and orange bellies
[08:00] <esben> murali: What do you click, exactly?
[08:01] <gugaman> actually, humans don't suck, they stink
[08:01] <gugaman> and they don't even have fur?
[08:01] <Sanne> !ops
[08:01] <ubotu> Help! Riddell, fdoving, Mez, jpatrick, seth_k, apokryphos, nalioth, Hobbsee, robotgeek, imbrandon, gnomefreak, Hawkwind, trappist, LjL, Jucato,  haggai, fooishbar, crimsun, seth, apokryphos, DBO, or nixternal
[08:01] <gugaman> I mean, OMG they are so stupid
[08:03] <gugman3> I'm sorry, but how to know better
[08:03] <gugman3> I'm just a monkey
[08:03] <dcorbin_> I installed Kubuntu.  Works fine.  I rsynced my home directory from my working gentoo/KDE box, replacing mine (I kept a backup).  No, I cannot login/startX.  Here's the output from startX: http://pastebin.ca/479232
[08:04] <dcorbin_> when I log in via kdm, there are no error in .xsession-errors.  Any ideas?
[08:04] <Yorokobi> dcorbin_: errors are logged to /var/log/Xorg.?.log (where ? is usually 0)
[08:06] <dcorbin_> Yorokobi: I don't see anything there that looks relevant that I don't see in my startx output/failure.
[08:06] <dcorbin_> But I could paste it if you want it.
[08:06] <Yorokobi> dcorbin_: is your feisty computer using an ATI card? Try using the ati driver instead of fglrx and see if X starts.
[08:07] <Solifugus> vi is really messed up on kubuntu.. Using arrow keys in edit mode throws a bunch of strange characters in..  and there is no colored characters by default...
[08:07] <dcorbin_> No, I think it's NVidia GeForce.
[08:07] <Solifugus> Anyone know how to fix the vi editor?
[08:07] <dcorbin_> (And before I put changed the home directory stuff, it worked fine).
[08:07] <Yorokobi> dcorbin_: ah, there you go then. The pastebin indicates you're trying to use fglrx instead of nv or nvidia
[08:08] <SlimeyPete> Solifugus: that's normal on Debian. Use Vim.
[08:08] <SlimeyPete> hell, it happens on Solaris at work, too
[08:08] <jason_> I wrote a shell script and made a soft link to ~/.kde/Autostart, but it isn't excuted on session startup.. any idea?
[08:08] <murali> esben:i go to the menu,click on system and then click on device manager... n it doesn open the window
[08:08] <dcorbin_> Yorokobi: would something in my home directory affect that?
[08:09] <Yorokobi> dcorbin_: My first guess is no but the error says yes.
[08:10] <Solifugus> SlimeyPete: ok.. vim works better.. I will alias vi to vim (on other distros, vi is vim)
[08:10] <Solifugus> SlimeyPete: Do you know how to turn the text coloring on?
[08:10] <Yorokobi> Solifugus: :colorscheme <tab> to pick a theme
[08:10] <esben> murali: I cannot see a device manager under system. Maybe my install is different. It isn't the device database you are talking about?
[08:10] <Solifugus> Yorokobi: thanks
[08:10] <dcorbin_> Yorokobi: I must be blind.  Can you show me which line says that?
[08:11] <Yorokobi> Solifugus: you may want to copy the example vimrc from /usr/share/vim7.../.../.../whatever to ~/.vimrc as well
[08:12] <dcorbin_> yonkeltron: I admit to also switching monitors, but they're both old Dells.
[08:12] <rizoma> hi iv'e a problem installing gnome
[08:12] <Yorokobi> dcorbin_: I'm an idiot reading things in the error that don't exist. Never mind.
[08:12] <dcorbin_> Yorokobi:  I admit to also switching monitors, but they're both old Dells.
[08:12] <rizoma> someone can help me?
[08:12] <dcorbin_> Yorokobi: Line #18 (and maybe #17) look a bit suspicious
[08:12] <dcorbin_> (now)
[08:13] <Yorokobi> dcorbin_: you can ignore the wacom stuff
[08:13] <rizoma> someone have installed gnome on kubuntu?????
[08:14] <dcorbin_> So I figured.  Not sure why it put it there, but I'm concerned about the AIGLX line.
[08:15] <OutoLumo> rizoma, what do you mean by "installing gnome"?
[08:16] <olimpico> I want to know how to configure the order of soundcards, I have two and sometimes one is the first and sometimes the other.
[08:17] <Yorokobi> dcorbin_: you may want to rm/mv X specific hidden files from ~ until it starts working ... *shrug* I'm at a bit of a loss
[08:18] <dcorbin_> Yorokobi. It started.  I removed a couple, but the sure look innocouous.
[08:18] <OutoLumo> rizoma, if you want to install gnome on kubuntu, just install ubuntu-desktop.
[08:18] <dcorbin_> Thanks
[08:18] <Yorokobi> dcorbin_: np. Which files did you delete?
[08:18] <rizoma> OutoLumo: i've installed gnome to use for compiz and i can see it on my login that i've changed to gdm
[08:19] <sparrw> software so big of a pain in the ass to support on the desktop that i would be willing to build a windows server if they released a server-client version...  thats sad.
[08:19] <rizoma> can i recover my old kde?
[08:19] <rizoma> to default?
[08:19] <dcorbin_> ,xsession, .Xresources, .Xdefaults and .Xauthority
[08:19] <ypsila> moin
[08:19] <OutoLumo> rizoma, just log in kde from gdm and set that as default there.
[08:19] <Yorokobi> dcorbin_: thanks, I'll keep those in mind should anyone else run into a similar problem.
[08:19] <ypsila> Riddell: ping
[08:20] <dcorbin_> There's a GUI tool that can be used, I think, to configure your display resolutions. What is that?
[08:20] <OutoLumo> rizoma, on the other hand, if you want to set kdm as your default login manager, there's another trick for that :-)
[08:20] <rizoma> OutoLumo: ?where i can set it to default or how?
[08:20] <Ace2016> rizoma: do you want kdm back?
[08:21] <OutoLumo> rizoma, I don't remember, haven't used gdm in ages :-) Ask on #ubuntu :-)
[08:21] <rizoma> Ace2016: yes, if i've installed worg files to gnome
[08:21] <rizoma> gdm doest work i've only the login manager of gdm
[08:24] <rizoma> ...
[08:26] <mishon> hello!
[08:32] <amnesiac_> hi folks i just finisched looking at hackers 2 story about kevin mitnick
[08:32] <amnesiac_> guys the dude is brilliant
[08:33] <ferronica> hi room
[08:33] <amnesiac_> he tmske from be ??
[08:33] <amnesiac_> hi ferronica
[08:34] <ferronica> Can i use kubuntu in ubuntu
[08:34] <amnesiac_> yes sure
[08:34] <ferronica> right now i am using ubuntu GNOME 7.04
[08:34] <amnesiac_> its with the shell gnime i believe
[08:34] <ypsila> ah un belge
[08:34] <amnesiac_> gnome sorry
[08:35] <amnesiac_> qui
[08:35] <ypsila> !fr
[08:35] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[08:35] <ferronica> to install kubuntu i have to format HDD
[08:35] <ypsila> amnesiac_: maybe a bit easier for you? :-)
[08:35] <BluesKaj> Howdy ...was installing java and it stalled during the process, now apt is locked up ...I tried 'sudo dpkg --configure -a', but it doesn't finish the job. what's that other command so i can copy it to my CLI commands file and free up the pkg manager ?
[08:35] <ferronica> i mean fresh install
[08:35] <amnesiac_> no !netherladais
[08:36] <amnesiac_> no fresh install possible
[08:36] <ypsila> amnesiac_: netherlands you mean?
[08:36] <amnesiac_> i tried it but dont now how 2
[08:36] <ferronica> amnesiac: then how can i use KDE
[08:36] <amnesiac_> ya sorry dude ypsila
[08:37] <ferronica> amnesiac: in ubuntu 7.04
[08:37] <OutoLumo> ferronica, ubuntu and kubuntu are really the same.
[08:37] <ypsila> amnesiac_: no problem and by the way I am still female :-D
[08:37] <ypsila> OutoLumo: no they are not really the same
[08:37] <ferronica> OutoLumo: i think GUI is different
[08:38] <amnesiac_> sorry ypsila as in Y chromoson hihih
[08:38] <logixoul> hi guys. just installed feisty. it worked fine, but I went AFK for a few minutes and dad managed to break it apart :( somehow. now, when I boot, I'm sent into the sixth VT (the first X display) and when I go to VT1, login and type startx, I get "fatal server error: no screens found". I'm typing from bitch-x now. could anyone *please* help?
[08:38] <OutoLumo> ferronica, just install kubuntu-desktop metapackage, it will pull the rest in.
[08:38] <ypsila> amnesiac_: thats where the nick comes from :-)
[08:38] <BluesKaj> gnome isn't for everyone , but kde seems to appeal to wider user group
[08:38] <amnesiac_> i tought so
[08:38] <BluesKaj> namely former windows ppl
[08:39] <ferronica> OutoLumo: after that i can choose between GNOME and KDE from LOGIN
[08:39] <ypsila> BluesKaj: depends to the country I would say, in Europe blue is "nicer"
[08:39] <OutoLumo> ypsila, they use the same repository, and gnome and kde can be installed at the same time, so the only difference is the used desktop.
[08:39] <amnesiac_> in my version off kubuntu is only the kde possible
[08:39] <ypsila> OutoLumo: which is very important for most of our users in Germany
[08:40] <BluesKaj> logixoul:  at the prompt: ' sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg '
[08:40] <OutoLumo> ypsila, if I isntall both ubuntu-desktop and kubuntu-desktop, which do I have, Ubuntu or Kubuntu?
[08:40] <amnesiac_> ya sudo apt-get install gnome
[08:40] <OutoLumo> ferronica, yes :-)
[08:40] <amnesiac_> orkde --*--
[08:41] <ferronica> OutoLumo: can i install Kubuntu via CD
[08:41] <ypsila> OutoLumo: the one I want :-D
[08:41] <ricmik> Hello! Could anyone please take a look at this? I get a make error when trying to compile pcsc-lite.. http://paste.uni.cc/15336
[08:41] <OutoLumo> amnesiac_, my version has as little gnome as possible... But I installed gimp, e.g.
[08:41] <ypsila> ferronica: yes of course
[08:41] <OutoLumo> ferronica, sure. I did that just two days ago.
[08:41] <ypsila> OutoLumo: give me five, honestly I do have gnome and gimp
[08:41] <OutoLumo> Or was it yesterday?
[08:42] <ypsila> OutoLumo: bullshit: gaim and gimp
[08:42] <ferronica> ypsila: i wanna use both
[08:42] <ypsila> ferronica: then do so
[08:42] <amnesiac_> its a testpage for apache ricmik??
[08:42] <OutoLumo> ypsila, I do NOT have gnome. E.g. gconf.
[08:42] <ypsila> OutoLumo: me not either
[08:42] <ricmik> amnesiac_: huh?
[08:42] <BluesKaj> so does anyone have the command handy to unlock adept or apt so i can copy it to my CLI commands file and free up the pkg manager ?
[08:42] <ferronica> ypsila: is there any torrent to download kubuntu
[08:43] <ypsila> ferronica: there should be loads of it
[08:43] <amnesiac_> outolumo; you can install gnome shit on the kde thats np
[08:44] <ferronica> ypsila: can you please give me one
[08:44] <rizoma> hi
[08:44] <rizoma> crash
[08:44] <BluesKaj> !kubuntu-torrent
[08:44] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kubuntu-torrent - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:44] <ypsila> ferronica: google for it? I never did it
[08:44] <BluesKaj> !torrents
[08:44] <ubotu> Torrent downloads for the Ubuntu ISOs are available on all the download pages. For Feisty: http://releases.ubuntu.com/feisty/ (CDs) or http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/7.04/release/ (DVDs)
[08:44] <jhutchins> !adept crash fix
[08:44] <ubotu> If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a 
[08:44] <OutoLumo> ypsila, gnome is a bunch of programs using a loose framework, KDE is a proper framework with a bunch of programs using it. You can use programs using both GNOME and KDE frameworks at the same time. All you do is waste some resources and break some integration :-)
[08:44] <ricmik> amnesiac_: does this work? http://kubuntu.pastebin.ca/479404
[08:44] <BluesKaj> thx jhutchins, :)
[08:45] <Raven301> My usb stick use to be /media/sda1 in feisty what is it assigned to??
[08:45] <ypsila> OutoLumo: I am an old woman, I love KDE and I love *buntu :-)
[08:45] <logixoul> BluesKaj, thanks a bunch dude! kde loads now. what could've caused the problem?
[08:45] <amnesiac_> give me a min. ricnic!!
[08:45] <ricmik> amnesiac_: yup :)
[08:46] <ypsila> mom tel
[08:46] <OutoLumo> ypsila, I love KDE, like *buntu, but GNOME really gives me creeps.
[08:46] <amnesiac_> my debian rules 1995 never paid a isp connection i my life
[08:46] <amnesiac_> in mylive
[08:47] <amnesiac_> 10 min offline now
[08:47] <OutoLumo> ferronica, do you have ubuntu installed?
[08:47] <BluesKaj> logixoul:  dunno , sometimes it's hard to pin down with X
[08:48] <rizoma> i finded the soluction sudo dpkg-reconfigure kdm
[08:48] <logixoul> BluesKaj, thanks again
[08:48] <OutoLumo> ferronica, because if you have, you don't really want to install kubuntu from CD...
[08:49] <ypsila> OutoLumo: may I ask some personal questions?
[08:49] <OutoLumo> ypsila, you may ask whatever you want, I may answer whatever I want :-)
[08:50] <Raven301> Any idea where the usb pen drive is assigned to in /dev ??
[08:50] <jhutchins> Raven301: have a look at dmesg or /var/log/messages, it should say.
[08:50] <ferronica> OutoLumo: yes ubuntu installed
[08:50] <ypsila> OutoLumo: ;-) you are in France, but your name seem something "finnish" to me - am I wrong?
[08:50] <Raven301> ok jhutchins
[08:51] <OutoLumo> ypsila, you are quite right. I'm a Finn currently living in Rouen, France.
[08:51] <jhutchins> Raven301: You may want to unplug it and plug it in right before you look.
[08:51] <ferronica> OutoLumo: how much time it will take to install KDE i got 256 Kbps ADSL connection
[08:51] <amnesiac_> i will try 2 run it RICnic but you really have a .h file problem
[08:51] <BluesKaj> so is yours ypsila...finnish looking , that is
[08:51] <Raven301> ok jhutchins
[08:52] <ypsila> OutoLumo: salut mon cher! vive la France! J'y habitait pendant 2 ans
[08:52] <ypsila> BluesKaj: ???
[08:52] <spritof> ??
[08:52] <ricmik> amnesiac_: hmm .h-file? ;P
[08:52] <ypsila> what is "finnish looking"
[08:52] <BluesKaj> your name ypsila...looks Finnish
[08:52] <OutoLumo> ferronica, hard to say... half on hour or something? But if you are running ubuntu and want to run kde, I suggest you just install kde from the ubuntu repository. That's the fastest and easiest way.
[08:53] <jhutchins> ypsila: fair hair, long narrow nose, high forehead...
[08:53] <ricmik> min rakastan *buntu
[08:53] <ricmik> that's finnish looking
[08:53] <amnesiac_> winscard_msg.h:50: error: PCSCLITE_MSG_KEY_LEN undeclared here (not in a function)
[08:53] <ricmik> oh
[08:53] <BluesKaj> mina rakastan suomalainen
[08:53] <ricmik> hehe
[08:53] <ricmik> ej
[08:53] <OutoLumo> ypsila, Je a habite en Francaise pour 8 moin et je ne parle bien francaise...
[08:53] <ypsila> blueyed_: :-D wrong, I was once told that eventually my y-chromosome might have a defect, thus I do not even have one
[08:54] <ricmik> ei
[08:54] <ypsila> OutoLumo: I see ;-) but french is difficult
[08:54] <BluesKaj> just kidding ricmik, I'm in Canada
[08:54] <amnesiac_> hahaha lolypsilla
[08:54] <ferronica> OutoLumo: have you ever tried both gnome and KDE GUI in ubuntu
[08:54] <ypsila> jhutchins: I do not have any specific nose
[08:54] <OutoLumo> ypsila, unlike Finnish, which is easy. (Excluding morphology.)
[08:55] <OutoLumo> ferronica, Yes, I think I did that last year...
[08:55] <ypsila> OutoLumo: I teach languages since more than 30 years, and german and french are no fun at all
[08:55] <OutoLumo> ypsila, as for my nick, it derives from particle physics.
[08:56] <ypsila> OutoLumo: :-D
[08:56] <jhutchins> Oh, I like german.  The only designed language!  very orderly and logical.
[08:56] <ypsila> jhutchins: like french and a horror for all anglo-based beeings
[08:57] <savetheWorld> german? designed?  bin, bist, ist ? nein!
[08:58] <ypsila> http://www.kubuntu-de.org/bilder/events#
[08:58] <OutoLumo> IMHO, French is a schitsophrenic language... There's one spoken and another written. And they are really two different languages.
[08:58] <jhutchins> Yep.  That's what The Brothers Grimm were actually up to, codifying a single, central standard for the german language.
[08:58] <ypsila> just for those who are interested to see who I am
[08:58] <ypsila> jhutchins: where are you from?
[08:59] <BluesKaj> heh, Quebec, we have what is called the 'language police'. English letters on advert signs must be a certain proportion smaller than the equivalent French lettering ...french fascism :)
[08:59] <ricmik> amnesiac_: I just compiled an older version of pcsc-lite.. it seems to be ok
[08:59] <jhutchins> Amerikaner.
[08:59] <OutoLumo> ypsila, wow, you are good-looking :-)
[08:59] <jhutchins> Had a few years of German in school.
[08:59] <ypsila> BluesKaj: or canadian funniness?
[09:00] <BluesKaj> ypsila: Quebec seperatist stupidity
[09:00] <jhutchins> Unfortunately, it was pre-internet and I never got a chance to really use it, so it's pretty much atrophied and mixed in with the Spanish I never really learned.
[09:00] <ypsila> OutoLumo: thx - I had a lot of surgery ;-)
[09:00] <amnesiac_> an older ver ??? ricnic
[09:00] <ricmik> amnesiac_: yes, 1.3.0
[09:00] <OutoLumo> ypsila, you remind me of a Finnish friend of mine...
[09:00] <jhutchins> The French are polite enough to quietly ignore my attempts to apply what I've learned from wine labels.
[09:00] <ypsila> :-D
[09:01] <amnesiac_> he thanks for the type i will try it out
[09:01] <ypsila> languages are special
[09:01] <amnesiac_> ya languages as perl php java python c  and the rest off h
[09:02] <amnesiac_> hihi
[09:02] <ypsila> jhutchins: my french is almost perfect, but even they make simple mistakes, a foreigner would never think of
[09:02] <ypsila> amnesiac_: what is the difference?
[09:02] <OutoLumo> Finnish is a easy language: No consept for maskuline or feminine forms (in fact, for s/he there's only one word), no articles, no prepositions, no "to have" verb...
[09:02] <amnesiac_> allmost nothing ther alllead 2 combine things
[09:03] <ypsila> OutoLumo: what do you do in France?
[09:03] <amnesiac_> hi cntb location ??
[09:05] <OutoLumo> ypsila, Live :-) My wife is here as an exchange student (she studies translation, esp. French). I'm trying to write a book about Christianity...
[09:05] <BluesKaj> OutoLumo: finnish is easy ? do spreak finnish ?
[09:05] <ypsila> OutoLumo: oh, that sounds interesting
[09:06] <jason_> I want to disable Artsd globally so that it's not going to start on any new user..  Is there a global config file for arts?
[09:06] <OutoLumo> BluesKaj, as my mothertongue. Yes, I think it is very easy ;-)
[09:06] <Raven301> jhutchins: thanks for the help
[09:07] <HarleyQuine> yay :) wireless and ubuntu
[09:07] <BluesKaj> no wonder ...suomalainen
[09:07] <OutoLumo> BluesKaj, of course I don't have to learn by heart all those 22 deklinations of nouns...
[09:07] <jhutchins> Raven301: Figure it out?
[09:07] <dac_> hi...jisao
[09:07] <BluesKaj> right, OutoLumo and how many cases ?
[09:07] <Raven301> yes .. thanks :)
[09:08] <amnesiac_> harleyquine ;wireless and kubuntu RULES!
[09:08] <ypsila> HarleyQuine: what is you problem?
[09:08] <HarleyQuine> I know :D it took me a few hours but.. it's finally working
[09:09] <HarleyQuine> no problem at all.. this is my first day with this linux and I'm just really happy I got the wireless working too
[09:09] <OutoLumo> BluesKaj, 14 formal (15 with prolative), more than twenty grammatical, that re-use the formal. (Including accusative.)
[09:09] <BluesKaj> <--- was born in Kaavi Finland , 63 yrs ago :) ...old retired Canadian now ...been in Canada since 1947
[09:09] <amnesiac_> hihihii i h8cked over 300 wireless connections
[09:09] <HarleyQuine> <--- live in Finland currently.. weird how I jump in at these points
[09:09] <ypsila> BluesKaj: hey you are older than me!
[09:09] <amnesiac_> the debian is strong people verry strong
[09:10] <BluesKaj> yup
[09:10] <dogatemycomputer> HarleyQuine: congrats!!
[09:10] <Tm_T> hmm
[09:10] <HarleyQuine> thankyee.. I have a broadcom card so it was a bit iffy.. but.. finally.. now I can relax
[09:11] <dogatemycomputer> HarleyQuine: did you use the internal drivers or the NDIS wrapper?
[09:11] <Lynoure> I guess I better join #kubuntu-offtopic again, as I'm yet another Finn...
[09:11] <amnesiac_> the hardware is nice yah
[09:11] <OutoLumo> ypsila, I think that the problem is more with the settings and that Livebox...
[09:11] <HarleyQuine> ndis wrapper
[09:11] <Tm_T> Lynoure: those crazy Finns, pfft
[09:11] <amnesiac_> ya try out the gtk for the ndis wrapper it nice 2
[09:11] <OutoLumo> BluesKaj, sorry... ATI radeon XPress 1100... very unsupported :-(
[09:11] <Lynoure> BluesKaj: I'm still quite happy with ATI Radeon X600... :)
[09:11] <HarleyQuine> hehehe, indeed.. am not finnish though, just live here.. and yeah they're nuts
[09:11] <BluesKaj> hi Tm_T
[09:12] <Tm_T> hello :)
[09:12] <dogatemycomputer> actually.. i had more trouble getting NVidia to work.. although I should probably try again as things have really improved over the last 6 months.
[09:12] <amnesiac_> ATI damn i have trouble with the ATI
[09:12] <HarleyQuine> I like anything that gets me online and encourages me to use linux
[09:12] <ypsila> HarleyQuine: anyone anywhere is nuts
[09:12] <amnesiac_> 3d Accsel and rendering
[09:12] <ypsila> ati = always trouble installing ;-)
[09:12] <dogatemycomputer> hahahahaha
[09:12] <crazyrobot> do i have to completely quit beryl and restart it for the libwallpaper.so plugin to work?  because i've tried just reloading the window manager and it didn't work.
[09:12] <BluesKaj> well, I 'm not and eye candy lover but I do like to watch tv on my pc ..and the ati tuner tvwonder pro is barely supported at all
[09:12] <amnesiac_> hahaha lol nvidia rules
[09:12] <ypsila> dogatemycomputer: didn't know that?
[09:13] <dogatemycomputer> yeah..  I had alot of trouble getting the ATI binary to install and setup dual screen .. but the flgrx drivers actually work better for my needs.
[09:13] <HarleyQuine> only every second sentence in that one made sense to me
[09:13] <ypsila> wasn't it fglrx?
[09:13] <amnesiac_> y-chromoson do you run beryll or xgl ??
[09:13] <dogatemycomputer> ypsila: no..  ironically..
[09:14] <amnesiac_> ya i run fglrx xserver-xorg shit
[09:14] <HarleyQuine> second word even.. hmmm too much time in that terminal thingy me thinks
[09:14] <dogatemycomputer> !language
[09:14] <ubotu> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[09:14] <amnesiac_> hahaha lol
[09:14] <Lynoure> Binary-only is easily trouble, no matter what device.
[09:14] <BluesKaj> dogatemycomputer: I just want my google earth to work ...is that asking too much ...thank God for Alberto Milone and his Envy app ...works for me :)
[09:14] <ypsila> beryl confused me
[09:14] <HarleyQuine> google my balcony and you'll see me sitting here with my laptop..
[09:14] <ypsila> the whobbling made me sick - physically
[09:15] <dogatemycomputer> BluesKaj: isn't beryl still in beta?
[09:15] <ypsila> dogatemycomputer: no!
[09:15] <BluesKaj> no
[09:15] <redfive> i want to upgrade my bios but i thinnk it will make the kernel panic
[09:15] <dogatemycomputer> BluesKaj: sorry dude.. but as long as Microshaft owns the marketplace..   I think we should start charging for linux.. even a small amount.. so we can start funding these kinds of projects.
[09:15] <amnesiac_> ya you go girl ,beryl is confusion at 1st degree
[09:15] <ypsila> beryl is great, if you got the time to find out all features
[09:15] <redfive> others sait windows reinstalled all drivers after bios update to linux would panic i think
[09:16] <ypsila> dogatemycomputer: no problem: welcome to kubuntu-de ;-)
[09:16] <amnesiac_> i now try looking glas or something like that
[09:16] <BluesKaj> beryl isn't my kind of computing anyway ...it's just "window dressing"
[09:16] <Lynoure> What, 0.2.0 is not considered beta?
[09:16] <redfive> beryl ia a modders dream
[09:16] <redfive> its likie windows blinds on steroids
[09:16] <ypsila> BluesKaj: console rules
[09:16] <ubuntu__> Hey guys, I need some urgent help .I know you probably hate questions like this though, but I'm on the kubuntu 6.06 live cd and i need to access some files on my windows partition
[09:16] <ubuntu__> all the documentation ive seen online has been updated to 7.04
[09:17] <cpk1> you can read ntfs no problem
[09:17] <HarleyQuine> console.. is scary.. it's like it's waiting for you to type something sensible
[09:17] <ubuntu__> so i'm sort of at a loss, i just need to grab a .doc file
[09:17] <amnesiac_> hahaha here goes the windows shit
[09:17] <ubuntu__> I am also terribly illiterate/ignorant in how to do so. Sorry :(
[09:17] <LjL> amnesiac_, that !language wasn't a joke
[09:17] <OutoLumo> ubuntu__, See from location "storage media"
[09:17] <amnesiac_> you have 2 sudo mount /dev/ partion
[09:17] <amnesiac_> etc
[09:17] <amnesiac_> etc
[09:18] <OutoLumo> ubuntu__, in konqueror /media
[09:18] <dogatemycomputer> ubuntu__: you should check /media for a list of mounted partition.. if Kubuntu can see them then they should show up there
[09:18] <BluesKaj> ypsila:  I learned about pcs and apps using windows , so i still have a ntfs partition but spend 90% of my pc time on kubuntu ...but I'm still a CLI noob in many ways
[09:18] <amnesiac_> ya sorry ljl
[09:18] <OutoLumo> Under that you should have a readable windows partition.
[09:18] <dogatemycomputer> hey.. can you mount an NTFS partition?  I know I can mount a fat32 partition but I haven't tried NTFS yet..
[09:18] <LjL> !ntfs
[09:18] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[09:18] <ubuntu__> i can see them in the Storage Media but I can't access them
[09:18] <amnesiac_> i lett my self go some times
[09:18] <Tm_T> !offtopic
[09:18] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[09:19] <OutoLumo> dogatemycomputer,yes :)
[09:19] <cpk1> ubuntu__: are you trying to move the .doc to a different storage device?
[09:19] <BluesKaj> dogatemycomputer: "ntfs-3g" and "ntfs-config "
[09:19] <ubuntu__> I just want to be able to access it and then upload it to a website for storage
[09:19] <HarleyQuine> hmm guess I'll go snooze
[09:19] <HarleyQuine> talk to ya'll later
[09:19] <amnesiac_> snoos fine harely
[09:19] <cpk1> you can mount ntfs no problem... you dont need extra tools for that
[09:20] <ubuntu__> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions#head-80128df9c1c4215d74e3f016b5cd2c2352da247c this looks like what i should do?
[09:20] <dogatemycomputer> too bad Windows can't be installed on ext3..  it would go a  long way torwards interoperatbility
[09:20] <cpk1> ubuntu__: you said you can see the .doc but cant access it right?
[09:20] <dogatemycomputer> i was just curious.   I don't use Winblowz anymore.
[09:20] <ubuntu__> No, I can't see the .doc
[09:20] <amnesiac_> and watch your permisions 2
[09:20] <ubuntu__> I know it's in my 75G ntfs partition, but I can't acecss that partition
[09:21] <ubuntu__> I recall doing this in the past and having to mount something (but keep in mind i'm on live cd)
[09:21] <amnesiac_> hidden files !!
[09:21] <amnesiac_> ya thats it live cd
[09:21] <cpk1> ubuntu__: ok if its not mounted then do sudo fdisk -l to found out the dev point
[09:21] <amnesiac_> i had the trouble to
[09:21] <dogatemycomputer> ubuntu__: step by step dude.. can you see the partition in /media ?
[09:22] <shawn34> Does anyone know of a Dreamcast emulator for linux?
[09:22] <ubuntu__> its /dev/sda1 that i need access to
[09:22] <amnesiac_> probebly not daga
[09:22] <cpk1> ubuntu__: ok then make a directory in /media ( you will need to use sudo) that you will mount to
[09:23] <ubuntu__> Alright, and (don't hate me) but what is the terminal command for this?
[09:23] <cpk1> sudo mkdir /media/somename
[09:23] <cWolfe> mkdir
[09:23] <cWolfe> :)
[09:23] <dogatemycomputer> ubuntu__: sudo mkdir -p /media/ntfspartition (or something like that)
[09:24] <venik> can anyone tell me how to revive the very nice GUI appelette   SystemSettings?  I uninstalled kicker, and it disappeeared
[09:24] <ubuntu__> Okay, that worked!
[09:24] <ubuntu__> Now what's the command to mount?
[09:24] <cpk1> once you do that then do sudo mount -t ntfs /dev/sda1 /media/nameoffolderImade
[09:25] <logixoul> hi. is it possible to acquire root privileges (while working as a normal user) without entering a password?
[09:25] <logixoul> (in feisty)
[09:25] <vcef> hi
[09:26] <logixoul> maybe if I add my user to group "root"?
[09:26] <vcef> My DVD burner suddenly disappeard
[09:26] <ubuntu__> Okay, now should I be able to "access" or at least move those fiels?\] 
[09:27] <dogatemycomputer> ubuntu__: did you get an error when trying to mount it?
[09:27] <cpk1> ubuntu__: yes, but probably only root has permissions right now
[09:27] <ubuntu__> i got no errors
[09:27] <dogatemycomputer> ubuntu__: did you do "sudo mount -t ntfs /dev/sda1 /media/NameOfTheFolder" ?
[09:27] <ubuntu__> Yep
[09:28] <dogatemycomputer> ubuntu__: in that case.. if  you didn't get an error then you should be able to access the partition.. try it and let us know.
[09:28] <ubuntu__> I need to be root to access it
[09:28] <dogatemycomputer> is that the error you're receiving?
[09:28] <ubuntu__> And I um... I don't remember how to traverse folders with terminal.
[09:28] <ubuntu__> Yeah, when I try to go to it I don't have permission
[09:29] <ubuntu__> oh, and thanks for your help dogatemycomputer and cpk1. You guys rock :)
[09:29] <dogatemycomputer> if so then I think its "sudo chown yourusername:users /media/thenameyougaveit"
[09:29] <ubuntu__> chown? ....teehee.
[09:29] <ypsila> re
[09:29] <LjL> logixoul: err... then what's the point of having a non-root user to start with?
[09:29] <ypsila> Riddell: ping
[09:29] <dogatemycomputer> chown to take ownership.. you may need to use the -R or -r (can't remember) to take ownership of the subfolders.  that could take a while so be patient.
[09:30] <ubuntu__> "clams:users": invalid user
[09:30] <logixoul> LjL: well, for one thing, I want to have several accounts - one for me and one for my parents.
[09:30] <cpk1> or, you can just run around in terminal as root =P
[09:30] <ubuntu__> this is a live CD, maybe that is having an effect?
[09:30] <cpk1> I usually do that since I'm lazy
[09:30] <ubuntu__> Whats the command to copy a file then?
[09:30] <cpk1> cp
[09:30] <dogatemycomputer> ubuntu__: the live CD should still allow you to take ownership .. although I think the live CD uses another username..  someone else should be able to answer that queston?
[09:31] <LjL> logixoul: i think it's possible to set up "sudo" not to ask for a password. i'd very strongly recommend against it, but whatever floats your boat...
[09:31] <dogatemycomputer> command to copy a file is "cp" ..  -r for recursive and -v for verbose..
[09:31] <dogatemycomputer> cp -rv source destination
[09:31] <ubuntu__> It was ubuntu :)
[09:31] <logixoul> LjL: ok, thanks. I'll look for info on making kdesu passwordless...
[09:32] <ubuntu__> Bah, but I still don't have access rights >_>
[09:33] <ubuntu__> How do I move into a folder as sudo?
[09:33] <ubuntu__> When I try "cd /media/ntfspartition" permission denied
[09:33] <ubuntu__> but when I do "sudo cd /media/ntfspartition" it says command not found
[09:33] <cpk1> ubuntu__: try su -
[09:33] <cpk1> ubuntu__: otherwise sudo bash will be fine
[09:34] <arska> Is there any way to kontrol what is the starting order of the applications when a user logs on ?
[09:36] <venik> what is the meaning of this warning:
[09:36] <venik> libpng warning: Ignoring gAMA chunk with gamma=0
[09:36] <venik> libpng warning: Invalid cHRM white point
[09:36] <ubuntu__> sudo bash cd /media/ntfspartition/
[09:36] <ubuntu__> what is wrong with that line of command?
[09:36] <cpk1> you just do sudo bash
[09:36] <cpk1> it will start a root session then
[09:36] <ubuntu__> ....oh.
[09:36] <ubuntu__> >_>
[09:40] <ubuntu__> Okay, file transfer to my /media/ folder was a success!
[09:40] <dogatemycomputer> awesome!!
[09:40] <ubuntu__> But, its still a locked file. How can I make it public?
[09:40] <ubuntu__> It won't let me move/alter it etc.
[09:41] <dogatemycomputer> ubuntu__: sorry for taking off on you buddy.. work called..
[09:41] <OutoLumo> ypsila, Do you happen to know if there is an electronic version of "Le Bon Usage" (Grevisse)?
[09:41] <ubuntu__> no sweat, thanks for all your generous and quick help!
[09:41] <dogatemycomputer> ubuntu__: did you get it?
[09:41] <dogatemycomputer> ubuntu__: did you move the file?
[09:43] <epimeth> hi guys... is it only possible to listen to one application at a time?  whenever I open amarok keeps telling me that the audio device is busy.... is that a problem with linux or my sound drivers?
[09:43] <ubuntu__> I moved the file, yep
[09:43] <ricmik> Have enyone ever managed to get a O2 Micro, Inc. OZ711Mx 4-in-1 MemoryCardBus Accelerator to work?
[09:43] <ubuntu__> And I think I just "chowned" it to me because now I can view it
[09:43] <ubuntu__> hooray!
[09:45] <dogatemycomputer> ubuntu__: see.. you learned something new :)
[09:45] <Cugel> Anyone else having 'package held back' for skype (doing apt-get upgrade)?
[09:45] <ubuntu__> hehe yeah i did, and i saved my arse in the process.
[09:45] <ubuntu__> Now I'm off to go and try to save my partition now that the important files are protected.... thanks for your help guys!
[09:45] <ubuntu__> Hopefully you won't be hearing from me again ;P
[09:45] <epimeth> Cugel: apt-get dist-upgrade
[09:46] <Cugel> epimeth: eh?
[09:46] <ubuntu__> extra shout out to dogatemycomputer and cpk1
[09:46] <epimeth> ubuntu__: come any time :-)
[09:46] <BluesKaj> hmm, 'ntfs-3g' and 'ntfs-config' are programs that work as well , and one doesn't require root permission
[09:46] <epimeth> Cugel: dist-upgrade instead of just upgrade
[09:46] <epimeth> Cugel: it will upgrade held back packages as well
[09:46] <Cugel> Ah.
[09:46] <Cugel> Any idea why it's held back?
[09:47] <david_> actually, the full difference between dist-upgrade and upgrade, is that dist upgrade also install new things if needed
[09:47] <epimeth> Cugel: I think certain upgrades are held back until changes are finalized...
[09:47] <cntb>        hi epimeth
[09:47] <epimeth> Cugel: not sure tho
[09:47] <Cugel> In this case it only installs skype, indeed.
[09:47] <epimeth> cntb: ahoy
[09:47] <Cugel> Thanks.
[09:47] <epimeth> Cugel: no worries
[09:47] <david_> if whatever package this one, depends on something new it wont' be upgraded
[09:47] <Cugel> Now let's see if Skype still works ;-)
[09:47] <cntb> !beryl
[09:47] <epimeth> hah
[09:47] <ubotu> Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[09:48] <epimeth> heh... I'm a bit annoyed at beryl... it doesn't exactly know how big windows are supposed to be :-)  when maximizing my windows, their sides bleed into the adjacent side of the cube... odd that
[09:49] <cntb> what is the official beryl onfeisty support page ?
[09:49] <epimeth> ummm... gimme a sec
[09:50] <OutoLumo> Dang! While in gentoo, I got used to using bleeding edge stuff... Scribus 1.3.3 is only in Debian experimental...
[09:51] <epimeth> cntb: not sure there is anything "official" for feisty yet... bottom line its apt-get install beryl
[09:51] <cntb> k tyvm
[09:51] <cntb> after upgrade  beryl mamager disappeared from menus
[09:52] <epimeth> OutoLumo: you can add backports to your sources.list
[09:52] <epimeth> cntb: I don't know anything about that... make sure your video drivers are correct as well...
[09:53] <epimeth> cntb: also, install emerald-themes, I think....
[09:53] <epimeth> cntb: if you need something I'll be back in like half an hour... I'm sure someone else will be here to help...
[09:53] <OutoLumo> epimeth, and how is that going to help?
[09:53] <cntb> got proprietary nvidia looks good only says problem retievinng glx   info  frrom XSERVER
[09:54] <vlt|home> Hello. What's the name of the package I have to uninstall if I want to completely remove KDE?
[09:55] <cox377> hey, i need some help guys
[09:55] <epimeth> OutoLumo: you can get the "bleeding edge" software you were just talking about :-0
[09:55] <cox377> basically, i've got a P3, 450mhz with 160gb
[09:56] <cntb> where in system manager is choosing windows mamager >
[09:56] <OutoLumo> vlt|home, using aptitude and trying to remove kdebase-bin should give you a hint...
[09:56] <cntb> np   epimet
[09:56] <cox377> i've installed ubuntu and i've rebooted and it says grub error 18, i tried usiong a maximum size for partition of 8gb and still getting problems.
[09:56] <vlt|home> OutoLumo: Thank you.
[09:56] <OutoLumo> epimeth, I mean this is SO bleeding edge that it's not even in the backport repository...
[09:56] <epimeth> vlt|home: why would you want that?  just install whatever window manager you want and use that instead... not like any of us have a problem with hard drive space any more... :-)
[09:57] <OutoLumo> epimeth, I mean, it only got accepted to the debian EXPERIMENTAL on monday. It's not even in Sid...
[09:57] <dogatemycomputer> cox377: there is a string of commands used to repair grub..
[09:57] <epimeth> OutoLumo: and for that we have the ability to compile stuff from source :-p   also, doesn't gentoo use apt as well?  just add *their* repos....
[09:57] <cpk1> OutoLumo: nothing is stopping you from compiling
[09:57] <vlt|home> epimeth: I don't use any wm on this machine and don't want megs of updates anymore for an unused bulk of software ;-)
[09:57] <cox377> dogatemycomputer: have you got any pointers mate?
[09:57] <dogatemycomputer> cox377: try searching for "ghost grub" or something like that..  it leads you to the same articles needed to repair your patition..
[09:58] <cox377> dogatemycomputer: how do i run commands when i cant get past the grub?
[09:58] <dogatemycomputer> cox377: let me look..
[09:58] <OutoLumo> epimeth, Oh? And why do you think I switched FROM Gentoo?-)
[09:58] <dogatemycomputer> cox377: do you have a liveCD?  can you even boot the live CD?
[09:58] <cox377> dogatemycomputer: cheers mates, been trying to get this to work for like 4 hours and it's doing my head in lol
[09:58] <epimeth> vlt|home: ohh.... you should have isntalled "command line only"... I think that the package is "kubuntu-desktop"
[09:58] <epimeth> OutoLumo: afaik its really hard to install and configure? :-)
[09:59] <cox377> dogatemycomputer: yes mate i can get the livecd fine, it all installs with out any probs
[09:59] <dogatemycomputer> cox377: do you have a liveCD?  can you even boot the live CD?
[09:59] <cox377> dogatemycomputer: its just when i go to boot
[10:00] <vlt|home> epimeth: I installed more than 2 yrs. ago ... when I still needed kde ...
[10:00] <epimeth> bbl guys... gotta run to my gran's
[10:00] <OutoLumo> epimeth, I had it running for good. It just got sick and tired of compiling all the time... And one shiny day I realized it would be easier to install Kubuntu on this box (in the hope that it had recovered from the Dapper disaster) than update...
[10:00] <epimeth> vlt|home: again, I think it's kubuntu-desktop... but I'm not sure....
[10:00] <vlt|home> epimeth: removing "kubuntu-desktop" leaves a lot of broken packages. I think I'll have to remove them manually.
[10:01] <dogatemycomputer> cox377: i'm still not sure about your answer.  i'm sorry. :-(  I need to know if you can boot the LiveCD so you can access the partition that you're trying to boot?  (weather you can boot from the failed partition is irrelevant)
[10:01] <cox377> dogatemycomputer: mate are you getting my answers
[10:01] <epimeth> OutoLumo: whelp... if you want bleeding edge stuff you're gonna have to compile.... hell, you should be glad you can even install stuff without compiling!  I remember how things *used* to be :-p  rpms not working and shit....
[10:01] <cox377> i can boot from live cd fine
[10:01] <dogatemycomputer> cox377: I just got that one..
[10:01] <cox377> dogatemycomputer: sorry dude didn't mean to sound rude
[10:01] <dogatemycomputer> cox377: then checkout this link:
[10:02] <OutoLumo> epimeth, kubuntu-desktop has dependencies, and some of them might stay there as "ghosts" if even one is marked installed manually. Removing the ground - kdebase&kdelibs, pretty much does a cleansweep... :-)
[10:02] <dogatemycomputer> cox377: http://www.sorgonet.com/linux/grubrestore/
[10:02] <epimeth> OutoLumo: tell that to vlt|home :-)
[10:02] <dogatemycomputer> cox377: that will walk you through repairing grub which should allow you to boot the partition.
[10:02] <epimeth> bbl guys... this time for real!!!! stop msging me :-p
[10:02] <vlt|home> OutoLumo: I'll try.
[10:03] <OutoLumo> epimeth, I just used the newer version two weeks ago... And I'm not really ranting about old versions, just about me getting used to the new... :-)
[10:03] <okay> hi
[10:04] <OutoLumo> hi
[10:04] <cox377> dogatemycomputer: many thanks dude
[10:04] <jakub_> hi all, i have a problem with flash disk ... its not mine and it was used just under windows ... and now when i plugged it in my pc i found out thet although it was empty it behaves as if there were just 731MB free out of 4GB so i ask you for help ... is there some way how to format it and get some data larger than 731MB on it??? i am quite a noob... i tried fdisk but it gave me no partiation info what may be isn't any surprise
[10:05] <dogatemycomputer> cox377: keep in mind that documentation was written for Fedora but it should get you where you want to go.  If you're not sure.. come back and ask.. well try to help!
[10:06] <dogatemycomputer> jakub_: can you get to KDE or GNOME gui?
[10:06] <Ace2016> jakub_: are you sure its not a broken flash drive? have you ever filled it to the maz in windows?
[10:06] <jakub_> I haven't personaly but my friend definately has
[10:06] <dogatemycomputer> Ace2016: i've seen this before actually.  its just a corrupt partition table.  windows just ignores the corruption until you loose data.
[10:07] <jakub_> I am in KUBUNTU now
[10:07] <dogatemycomputer> jakub_: can you boot KDE or GNOME on the machine?
[10:07] <jakub_> ehm ... you mean my pc right? I am running ubuntu 7.04 is that sufficient?
[10:08] <dogatemycomputer> jakub_: then use adept to install GPARTED (and the associated libraries).  From there you can load GPARTED, select the disk and repartition/reformat it with whatever file system you awnt.  I would suggest fat32 so its readable by any machine but whatever suits ya..
[10:08] <dogatemycomputer> jakub_: does that make sense to you?
[10:09] <jakub_> at the moment it does but who nows whats gonna happen during the process :) thank you i am gonna give it a try :)
[10:09] <dogatemycomputer> well.. if you get hung up then let us know..
[10:09] <dogatemycomputer> jakub_: keep us posted..
[10:10] <BluesKaj> Super Grub Live CD !
[10:11] <BluesKaj> who uses fat32 anymore ...can't be that many W98 users around
[10:11] <jakub_> Oh sorry I am not excelent in english as you may have already noticed ... and i did not pick the meaning of your last post for me
[10:12] <cox377> mate, can i have that link again please, system is being **** *8*****
[10:12] <cox377> someone mentioned about supergrub live cd?l
[10:13] <BluesKaj> yes i cox377 , it restores the windows mbr
[10:13] <dogatemycomputer> jakub_: just let us know if it works or if you need anymore help.
[10:13] <cox377> BluesKaj: lol not for my problems then
[10:14] <jakub_> so far it seems OK ... i have installed it and i got it running ... but have not made new partiation yet
[10:15] <jakub_> dogatemycomputer: ok first obstacle appeared
[10:15] <dogatemycomputer> jakub_: i'm listening..
[10:16] <dogatemycomputer> jakub_: what is the problem?
[10:16] <jakub_> when i tried to run it in console some window poped up but there was everything diabled and one label told me NO DEVICE DETECTED
[10:17] <jakub_> maybe i used bat command syntax
[10:17] <dogatemycomputer> jakub_: did you load it using "sudo gparted" ?  If that doesnt work then let me know.  I think you need root privlidges to mess with the file structure..
[10:18] <jakub_> i got to parent directory of the directory the disk was mounted in and there i did "sudo gparted disk"
[10:18] <OutoLumo> Where were udev configs for file permissions?
[10:18] <jakub_> where disk is name of folder where the disk should be
[10:18] <dogatemycomputer> jakub_: i've usually just loaded gparted and let it detect everything on its own.
[10:18] <willrjmarshall>  Does anyone know why installing firefox/thunderbird from outside the repositories means it won't pick up my QT themes and looks ugly.
[10:18] <willrjmarshall> ?
[10:18] <jakub_> ok i will try
[10:19] <dogatemycomputer> jakub_: I don't know what the ramnification for specifying the device..
[10:20] <jakub_> hmmm there comes a problem ... now I see more than i have seen before but still just my HDDs
[10:20] <OutoLumo> willrjmarshall, because they are not integrated with the kubuntu system?
[10:20] <willrjmarshall> OutoLumo: Or with KDE in general. Do you have any idea how I might integrate them?
[10:21] <BluesKaj> cox377,Super Grub also restores bootloaders of most OS,s
[10:21] <jakub_> dogatemycomputer: sorry but i am not sure about the meaning of ramnification
[10:21] <OutoLumo> willrjmarshall, I suggest becoming a package maintainer ;-)
[10:21] <dogatemycomputer> jakub_: it simply means that I don't know what the "results" will be if you specify the devicee
[10:21] <willrjmarshall> I have a job already :/
[10:21] <jakub_> sry it seam i have got it
[10:21] <jakub_> *seems
[10:21] <willrjmarshall> But if they can do it for the FF installs - so can I. If I can find out how
[10:21] <dogatemycomputer> jakub_: when you type "sudo fdisk -l" .. do you see the flashdrive listed?
[10:22] <OutoLumo> IMHO, if I get something running from outside the main repository, I have reason to celebrate :-)
[10:22] <willrjmarshall> I do do it all the time
[10:22] <willrjmarshall> s'not too hard
[10:22] <willrjmarshall> But often takes a tonne of fiddling
[10:22] <jakub_> Yes
[10:22] <OutoLumo> willrjmarshall, precisely.
[10:23] <jakub_> dogatemycomputer: i have found the flash disk in gparted but i dont know how to manage the partiation
[10:23] <dogatemycomputer> jakub_: okay..  well..  let me install gparted so I can look too :)
[10:23] <willrjmarshall> And now firefox won't let me change themes
[10:23] <willrjmarshall> peachy
[10:24] <jakub_> OK ... and thank you so much for your help
[10:24] <OutoLumo> willrjmarshall, from where did you install it.
[10:24] <dogatemycomputer> jakub_: okay.. you select the device from the pulldown on the very top right.. correct?
[10:24] <willrjmarshall> This version - the repositories
[10:24] <willrjmarshall> It was changing themes just fine yesterday
[10:25] <willrjmarshall> Aaand fixed
[10:26] <dogatemycomputer> jakub_: still there?
[10:26] <jakub_> yeas
[10:26] <jakub_> *yes
[10:27] <jakub_> i have selected
[10:27] <tikal26> anyone knows how to compile kdenlive from svn
[10:27] <dogatemycomputer> jakub_: can you see the partition list pulldown on the top right?
[10:27] <OutoLumo> I understand that Firefox needs to be complied in a special way to allow it to follow qt themes. In addition debian has patched it, and probably ubuntu too. So to get an firefox installed from outside the repo you'd need to apply these patches at least.
[10:28] <jakub_> ehm ... now i see a bar explaining the partiation setings and beneath it there is a list where one item is listed
[10:28] <willrjmarshall> OutoLumo: All mozilla apps give me a specific error when they're not going to use QT themes
[10:28] <OutoLumo> willrjmarshall, good news is, that these patches are publicaly available ;-) But at that point you are already only a step away from repacking the software, which is essentially what package maintainers do...
[10:28] <willrjmarshall> I want Thunderbird 2, damnit!
[10:29] <willrjmarshall> Well, yeah
[10:29] <BluesKaj> it's a bitch to install
[10:29] <willrjmarshall> But they've already decided they're not putting Thunderbird 2 in the repositories any time soon
[10:29] <BluesKaj> broke on feisty
[10:29] <willrjmarshall> Thunderbird?
[10:30] <BluesKaj> yup
[10:30] <jakub_> dogatemycomputer: did anything happen?
[10:30] <willrjmarshall> I had it running last night
[10:30] <dogatemycomputer> jakub_: give me 3 minutes.. i'll be right back
[10:30] <willrjmarshall> But it won't use my goram QT themes
[10:30] <jakub_> ok np
[10:31] <BluesKaj> that's also one of the reasons i've reverted to Edgy ...too much instability on Feisty on my setup
[10:31] <dogatemycomputer> jakub_: you should see the pulldown on the top right where you can select your device.  Below that should be a graphnical representation of the selected device.  Below the graphnical representation you should see a text list of all the devices/partitions on  your machine.
[10:31] <dogatemycomputer> jakub_: does that make sense?
[10:31] <jakub_> Yes that is exactly what i have here
[10:32] <willrjmarshall> BluesKaj: What issues are you having?
[10:32] <OutoLumo> willrjmarshall, there might be a slight problem... TB2 isn't even in debian unstable, so the patches might need to be rewritten... Perhaps you should contact the maintainer? Good luck :-)
[10:32] <dogatemycomputer> jakub_: okay.. so.. what do you want to do?  did you want to delete the partition and recreate it so you have access to the full 4GB?
[10:32] <jakub_> yes please
[10:32] <dogatemycomputer> jakub_: okay.. in the pulldown on the top right.. does it say 4GiB?
[10:33] <dogatemycomputer> jakub_: or something similar?
[10:33] <willrjmarshall> OutoLumo: If I knew where to find the bugger :)
[10:33] <jakub_> 3.81 but i think its ok
[10:33] <jakub_> *GB
[10:33] <BluesKaj> willrjmarshall, DRI (gotta have google earth) , ktorrent crashes, spdif audio out to my audio receiver in the tv room , to name a few
[10:33] <jakub_> and it says that 3.10 of it is used
[10:33] <OutoLumo> willrjmarshall, http://packages.debian.org/unstable/mail/icedove ; Alexander Sack is responsible for this Debian package. (Email given.)
[10:33] <dogatemycomputer> jakub_: good.. .. do you have everything backed up from the disk that you need?
[10:34] <willrjmarshall> BluesKaj: I'm getting the ktorrent crashes too....
[10:34] <jakub_> there is nothing important on it (there is supposed to be nothing)
[10:34] <BluesKaj> willrjmarshall,  I wqs told there is a new version on the ktorrent site that's stable on feisty
[10:35] <willrjmarshall> Why not install it?
[10:35] <willrjmarshall> I install ktorrent from source to use Oink.me.uk
[10:35] <BluesKaj> but I had already switched when I found out
[10:35] <dogatemycomputer> jakub_: do you see only one partition on the disk?
[10:35] <jakub_> yes
[10:35] <dogatemycomputer> jakub_: if you right click on the pariition in the graphnical interface.. does it say delete or unmount?
[10:36] <jakub_> it says unmount
[10:36] <BluesKaj> but my main complaint is the poor support for ATI hardware which I'm stuck with for the time being
[10:36] <dogatemycomputer> jakub_: first.. try unmounting it by choosing UNMOUNT..
[10:36] <dogatemycomputer> BluesKaj: call ATI's support team and complain..
[10:36] <dogatemycomputer> BluesKaj:  you're a customer..
[10:36] <willrjmarshall> BluesKaj: I was lucky enough to build this system with Linux in mind
[10:36] <willrjmarshall> You are
[10:36] <willrjmarshall> If they don't give you service they're a dead company.
[10:37] <willrjmarshall> Except possible in the US, where people tolerate these things. Ah well.
[10:37] <jakub_> done but some kind of triangular warning sign appeared next to the partiation info ... should i pay attention to it?
[10:37] <BluesKaj> yeah dogatemycomputer, as if they give a damm
[10:37] <dogatemycomputer> willrjmarshall: that's the point.  Just explain that the rest of the developed world is embracing NVidia right now and if they don't shape up.. their 900Million dollar per year loss will become permanent..
[10:37] <willrjmarshall> Don't they have a legal obligation to provide you with service where you are?
[10:37] <BluesKaj> ATI was a Canadian co til AMD bought them
[10:38] <dogatemycomputer> jakub_: if you don't care about the partition.. then.. no.
[10:38] <jakub_> ok
[10:38] <willrjmarshall> dogatemycomputer: I am so very glad I left the US ^__^
[10:38] <dogatemycomputer> jakub_: now..  click EDIT from the pulldown and chooose APPLY
[10:38] <jakub_> now i have to use format > FAT32 i guess
[10:38] <dogatemycomputer> willrjmarshall: i'm bugging my girlfriend to move to Europe.
[10:38] <BluesKaj> now the support is just gonna be worse due to the contracts it had with intel are running out
[10:38] <khb> hallo, oh it's an english channel
[10:38] <dogatemycomputer> jakub_: that would be my suggestion unless you're using it exclusively in a linux machine then ext3..
[10:39] <willrjmarshall> dogatemycomputer: Which country?
[10:39] <dogatemycomputer> jakub_: I gave up windows so mine is ext3 ;)
[10:39] <willrjmarshall> I'm NZ, myself
[10:39] <dotz> Hey there.
[10:39] <dogatemycomputer> willrjmarshall: does it matter :P
[10:39] <dotz> How many of you, guys, use Baghira?
[10:39] <khb> i need some help with installing an rt73 driver, after compiling the module everything fucks up and nothing works
[10:39] <willrjmarshall> dogatemycomputer: Not France!
[10:39] <willrjmarshall> France = bad right now
[10:39] <dogatemycomputer> willrjmarshall: hahahahahahaha
[10:39] <dogatemycomputer> willrjmarshall: I would suppose not :-)
[10:39] <willrjmarshall> They elected a rabid fascist :/
[10:39] <dogatemycomputer> willrjmarshall: i also want to spend some time in Japan..
[10:40] <jakub_> i would do the same but it is flash disk of my friend and he wants me to get some DATA on it and he just wants to keep it in FAT32
[10:40] <willrjmarshall> I have plans of that as well
[10:40] <BluesKaj> France is OK to visit
[10:40] <dogatemycomputer> willrjmarshall: i know.. its so sad too.. then again.. we somehow managed to elect GW.
[10:40] <Lynoure> dogatemycomputer: If you think Europe is one single place culturally, consider again before moving... otherwise it will be a really major culture shock, no matter where you move.
[10:40] <willrjmarshall> dogatemycomputer: Well...not really. You can hardly claim your elections are remotely unbiased..
[10:40] <dogatemycomputer> Lynoure: i'm not that naive..  trust me.. we'll be traveling before we settled down..
[10:41] <willrjmarshall> The corporate interests choose the pres unless the public get *really* POed in the US
[10:41] <jakub_> it seems you have solved my problem ... thank you soooo much ... thank you
[10:41] <dogatemycomputer> willrjmarshall: it was rigged. we all know it.  Too bad americans ar too comfortable to fight.  At least the french are passionte about their politics.
[10:41] <dogatemycomputer> Lynoure: i'm not sure i can convince her to go..  but i'm trying.
[10:41] <willrjmarshall> Rabid left to rapid right every 10 years.... That's passionate
[10:41] <dogatemycomputer> jakub_: glad I could help!  just an FYI..  qparted is an alternative to gparted but I think gparted works much better.
[10:42] <willrjmarshall> I am in KDE and I still use gparted
[10:42] <dogatemycomputer> jakub_: you may want to screw around with qparted next time just for the experience..
[10:42] <thefirstdude> could someone please tell me my ip?
[10:42] <dogatemycomputer> thefirstdude: ifconfig
[10:42] <dogatemycomputer> thefirstdude: did you just need the command or did you need a more detailed walkthrough?
[10:43] <thefirstdude> I meant my external ip
[10:43] <dogatemycomputer> ohhhh..
[10:43] <Lynoure> thefirstdude: do /whois thefirstdude
[10:44] <dogatemycomputer> http://www.whatismyip.com/
[10:44] <BluesKaj> GParted forteh win!
[10:44] <Lynoure> thefirstdude: then go to commandline and type   host thehostnameyousaw
[10:44] <dogatemycomputer> BluesKaj: LOL
[10:44] <jakub_> dogatemycomputer: this is one of those things i like on Linux ... so many people how do know what to do when in some difficulties
[10:45] <dogatemycomputer> jakub_: we all have a common hatred for Microsoft.. or a love for linux.. i'm not sure which ;)
[10:45] <willrjmarshall> jakub_: Each of about a hundred different ways
[10:45] <willrjmarshall> dogatemycomputer: Both?
[10:45] <jakub_> :) maybe even both :)
[10:45] <willrjmarshall> Well, I've never used Windows in my life. I am proud of this.
[10:45] <BluesKaj> it's raining here , so my yardwork is postponed for a day or so , hence, I 'm here
[10:46] <willrjmarshall> Does anyone know much about skinning KDE?
[10:46] <BluesKaj> willrjmarshall, PURIST!
[10:47] <dogatemycomputer> willrjmarshall: i'm stuck with it right now for work.  If they get the sound issues resolved (ALSA) and better video support then i'll be unplugging my Windows machine permanently.
[10:47] <willrjmarshall> BluesKaj: Afraid not. My father is a Linux/Mac user. Gave me a mac when I was 4..
[10:47] <dogatemycomputer> willrjmarshall: my main machines at the office and at home are both kubuntu and my file server is suse..
[10:47] <willrjmarshall> dogatemycomputer: What sound issues do you have?
[10:48] <dogatemycomputer> willrjmarshall: trying to get good 7.1 surround sound..
[10:48] <willrjmarshall> I only have the two machines - ubuntu and kubuntu
[10:48] <BluesKaj> cool enuff willrjmarshall :)
[10:48] <dogatemycomputer> willrjmarshall: mainly to play Unreal Tournament..
[10:48] <willrjmarshall> dogatemycomputer: I had that problem. I had to move to speaker stacks :/
[10:48] <willrjmarshall> But they're better than my 5.1s are
[10:49] <dogatemycomputer> willrjmarshall: well.. it should be included by default.. and its something that i'm confident will eventually be resolved.  i'm personally starting to take some C++ classes next semester and i'm going to hopefully start participating in some QA OSS projects sometime late next year.
[10:49] <dogatemycomputer> willrjmarshall:  i want to help give back to the community.
[10:50] <willrjmarshall> So do I
[10:50] <BluesKaj> dogatemycomputer, I'm piping the PCM / SPDIF audio to my Home Theater eceiver in the TV room...there are some tricks on alsa to get things working right tho
[10:50] <willrjmarshall> Sadly, I only program in Rails.
[10:50] <willrjmarshall> So I'm not much use
[10:50] <BluesKaj> Ruby on rails
[10:51] <willrjmarshall> Yup.
[10:51] <jakub_> I have to go ... meet you soon ;)
[10:51] <willrjmarshall> Not much use for inclusion in Ubuntu
[10:51] <dogatemycomputer> willrjmarshall: honesty..  i don't even know what RAILS is..  let me look..
[10:51] <OutoLumo> Stupid question... is there Feisty for amd64?
[10:52] <OutoLumo> And if so, how do I know if I already have that installed?-)
[10:52] <BluesKaj> dogatemycomputer, pls don't say that "I want to give back " stuff ...it's enuff to make me puke :)
[10:53] <willrjmarshall> OutoLumo: Yes.
[10:53] <dogatemycomputer> BluesKaj: well..  this stuff takes ALOT of time and effort..  its not like most distros just "happen"..
[10:53] <willrjmarshall> And you know by trying to run a binary and failing :)
[10:53] <dogatemycomputer> BluesKaj: although.. yes.. its a bit mushy.   Let me rephrase that..  I want to help linux take the desktop..
[10:53] <willrjmarshall> dogatemycomputer: Amen
[10:54] <K`zan> dogatemycomputer: It already is if the distros don't keep getting worse :)
[10:54] <willrjmarshall> OutoLumo: The quickest way I can think of is to look in your sources file
[10:54] <sybux> can someone help my reading dvd with kaffeine please ?
[10:54] <willrjmarshall> And see what you're keyed too
[10:54] <willrjmarshall> But no doubt there is a better way
[10:54] <willrjmarshall> sybux: Sure. What's the problem?
[10:54] <BluesKaj> too poltically correct ... hear these ppl on tv saying that meaningless crap all the time ..."contributing to the cause " is a good substitute :)
[10:54] <willrjmarshall> K`zan: Worse?
[10:55] <K`zan> willrjmarshall: In some ways, in some other better by the day.
[10:55] <OutoLumo> willrjmarshall, I'm looking at my sources.list... But can't seem to figure....
[10:55] <sybux> willrjmarshall: it doesn't read the dvd saying that no plugin was found
[10:55] <BluesKaj> dogatemycomputer, what's the prob you have with alsa anyway ?
[10:55] <dogatemycomputer> K`zan: well..  IMHO.. things are much better than they used to be in terms of usability and stability..
[10:56] <willrjmarshall> sybux: You need libdvdcss
[10:56] <K`zan> dogatemycomputer: Very true, for years I said all linux was good for was server work, but that has changed, but there ARE problems.
[10:56] <willrjmarshall> type "sudo apt-get install libdvdcss" into the terminal
[10:56] <OutoLumo> willrjmarshall, it only tells me: deb http://fr.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ feisty main restricted etc...
[10:56] <BluesKaj> libdvdcss2
[10:56] <crimsun> dogatemycomputer: what do you mean by "good surround sound"?
[10:56] <dogatemycomputer> BluesKaj: 5.1/7.1 surround doesn't work *well* and getting 2 applications to share the card without freaking out is a problem..
[10:56] <sybux> willrjmarshall: Package libdvdcss is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[10:56] <acidBURN> how does one shut off the drive for the broadcom wireless device in my laptop?
[10:57] <willrjmarshall> Oh dear.
[10:57] <willrjmarshall> Google it?
[10:57] <dogatemycomputer> if i'm playing Unreal Tournament (or many games) the sound support is unpredicable..
[10:57] <willrjmarshall> I remember having issues when I started out
[10:57] <crimsun> dogatemycomputer: please be more precise.  'default' allows multiple applications to share the sound device in a non-blocking manner for a 2-channel configuration anyhow.
[10:57] <dogatemycomputer> well..  i don't want 2 channel.. I was 7 channel.
[10:57] <dogatemycomputer> was=want
[10:57] <epimeth> aaaaand... I'm back :-)
[10:57] <crimsun> dogatemycomputer: if you meant, in fact, that you want multiple applications to share a 'surround 7 configuration', then please say so
[10:57] <dogatemycomputer> lol
[10:57] <OutoLumo> Anyway, I seem to be running amd64...
[10:58] <epimeth> isn't it libdvdcss2?
[10:58] <willrjmarshall> sybux: googe libdvdcss debian
[10:58] <willrjmarshall> epimeth: Same issue
[10:58] <dogatemycomputer> crimsun: it doesn't really matter.. sound isn't there yet and that's okay.   They are working on some standard api's.  I'm not in a hurry.
[10:58] <willrjmarshall> sybux: Find a .deb file and install that
[10:58] <BluesKaj> dogatemycomputer, http://www.sabi.co.uk/Notes/linuxSoundALSA.html
[10:59] <crimsun> dogatemycomputer: that's straightforward, too, thanks to our work.  http://www.linux-sound.info/alsa/configs/asoundrc.upmix-and-dmix-8
[10:59] <willrjmarshall> OutoLumo: Sorry - I can't think of anything else - although I know there is
[10:59] <dogatemycomputer> reading
[10:59] <willrjmarshall> OutoLumo: do you have /usr/lib64 or not?
[10:59] <crimsun> dogatemycomputer: and no, it's not an API issue.  It's a configuration issue.  If you'd like to help me draft a spec for it, then do so.
[10:59] <OutoLumo> willrjmarshall, np, I ran into an answer by trying to install a package that complains about it being 32bit...
[10:59] <dogatemycomputer> crimsun: forgive me but it appears my information may be dated.  I haven't tried recently so its very possible I am 100% wrong.
[11:00] <BluesKaj> !alsa
[11:00] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[11:00] <willrjmarshall> OutoLumo: That'd do it. You can force, if you need to
[11:00] <willrjmarshall> ubotu: Arts/
[11:00] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about arts/ - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:00] <dogatemycomputer> crimsun: if you're correct then I shall read, conquer and install Unreal tonight.. and test it.  I"ll have time this weekend.
[11:00] <epimeth> I think you have to add the medibuntu sources for libdvdcss
[11:01] <crimsun> dogatemycomputer: what subsystem does Unreal use?  SDL?
[11:01] <OutoLumo> willrjmarshall, The question is, how do I know if I have ALL required lib32 in place? (I have some lib32...)
[11:01] <dogatemycomputer> crimsun: I don't remember.. :(  sorry
[11:01] <OutoLumo> I mean: /usr/lib64 -> /usr/lib and there is /usr/lib32 that is not empty.
[11:01] <willrjmarshall> OutoLumo: It complains if you don't?
[11:02] <epimeth> crimsun: you have to replace some file for sound to work in UT... I was helping someone out with it the other day... a quick google check should get it for you
[11:02] <willrjmarshall> To play UT2004 you need to turn *off* the Sound System
[11:02] <OutoLumo> willrjmarshall, it crashes randomly if I don't?
[11:02] <willrjmarshall> OutoLumo: Nah. Does that anyway
[11:02] <willrjmarshall> You can't get sound if you don;t
[11:03] <jo_> FREEDOM FOR CATALAN COUNTRIES - LLIBERTAT PER ALS PASOS CATALANS ||*||
[11:03] <OutoLumo> willrjmarshall, that's just the problem, can't know what it was :-(
[11:03] <jo_> FREEDOM FOR CATALAN COUNTRIES - LLIBERTAT PER ALS PASOS CATALANS ||*||
[11:03] <jo_> FREEDOM FOR CATALAN COUNTRIES - LLIBERTAT PER ALS PASOS CATALANS ||*||
[11:03] <jo_> FREEDOM FOR CATALAN COUNTRIES - LLIBERTAT PER ALS PASOS CATALANS ||*||
[11:03] <jo_> FREEDOM FOR CATALAN COUNTRIES - LLIBERTAT PER ALS PASOS CATALANS ||*||
[11:03] <jo_> FREEDOM FOR CATALAN COUNTRIES - LLIBERTAT PER ALS PASOS CATALANS ||*||
[11:04] <dogatemycomputer> It apears UT uses OSS..
[11:04] <dogatemycomputer> does that make sense?
[11:04] <dogatemycomputer> (now i'm showing my ignorance here)
[11:04] <willrjmarshall> OutoLumo: Sorry, I was answering the wrong question. No - it just won't start
[11:04] <willrjmarshall> dogatemycomputer: Yup
[11:04] <sybux> willrjmarshall: I don't find it but I've just installed vlc and it has installed another DVD library and now it's working
[11:04] <OptimusRex> I have a bug to report
[11:04] <dogatemycomputer> i'm assuming OSS is the predecessor to ALSA?
[11:04] <OptimusRex> how do I do it?
[11:05] <willrjmarshall> sybux: Use automatix or similar to get all the necessary codecs :)
[11:05] <sybux> willrjmarshall: not with kaffeine but only with vlc. I don't matter at all as I can read DVD !
[11:05] <willrjmarshall> sybux: It's a start
[11:05] <chemist109> OptimusRex: Try launchpad.  Search to make sure that your bug isn't already reported.
[11:05] <sybux> willrjmarshall: what is automatix ?
[11:06] <OptimusRex> ok. Thanks
[11:06] <willrjmarshall> It gives you a pretty GUI to automatically install a tonne of stuff most people want to
[11:06] <willrjmarshall> DVD support, MP3 support, Flash, etc
[11:07] <chemist109> OptimusRex: https://bugs.launchpad.net/
[11:07] <sybux> willrjmarshall: thx, i wasn't knowing this appz
[11:08] <BluesKaj> !automatix| sybux
[11:08] <ubotu> sybux: Automatix2 is a script that tries to install some software, and often fails and breaks systems. We don't provide support for it, and we strongly discourage its use. Problems caused by Automatix are often hard to track and solve, and it might sometimes be easier to !install a fresh copy of Ubuntu. See also !WorksForMe
[11:08] <willrjmarshall> Is that accurate?
[11:08] <sybux> ^
[11:08] <sybux> ^^
[11:08] <willrjmarshall> Never had problems with it
[11:09] <OutoLumo> !WorksForMe
[11:09] <ubotu> Common Sense: Just because you can, does not mean you should. Think before you do. "Works for me" does not mean it is ok. The latest version of everything is not always useful if you aim for stability.
[11:09] <BluesKaj> See also !WorksForMe
[11:09] <willrjmarshall> Hah
[11:09] <BluesKaj> that's why I'm om edgy :)
[11:09] <willrjmarshall> I mean - I didn't realise there was a problem with Automatix. I will stop if there is.
[11:09] <BluesKaj> on
[11:10] <willrjmarshall> I likes the bleeding edge >.>
[11:11] <BluesKaj> automatix isn't bleeding edge , it;s just convenient
[11:11] <willrjmarshall> BluesKaj: I'm aware. And evil, according to that bot.
[11:12] <BluesKaj> I must admit I used  Envy , tho :)
[11:12] <BluesKaj> but Envy broke X on feisty
[11:13] <willrjmarshall> Envy? I recognise the name from somewhere...
[11:13] <OutoLumo> willrjmarshall, well wellgo to gentoo then ;-) Seriously, any hints to bleed in kubuntu?
[11:13] <willrjmarshall> Bleeding edge in Kubuntu is quite enough
[11:13] <willrjmarshall> gentoo pisses me off
[11:13] <willrjmarshall> And I do use this computer for..you know...important stuff!
[11:14] <epimeth> willrjmarshall: in that case, fiddle away!  cuz you know how its great to go "OH MY GOD WHAT HAVE I DONE???" when you have tons of important work related stuff on /
[11:14] <epimeth> :-p
[11:14] <dogatemycomputer> willrjmarshall: if I want stability then I usually install Suse or something like that.  Something that includes all the basics on the CD, already installed and once its working then it stays working.
[11:15] <dogatemycomputer> willrjmarshall: for the rest of us..  bleeding edge is quite fine..
[11:15] <willrjmarshall> I have never used Suse - and now never will.
[11:16] <willrjmarshall> epimeth: That's bits the highlight of my day.
[11:16] <epimeth> dogatemycomputer: yea... like when I decided to install herd4... *that* was fun... ummm, adaptec isn't working and the updater tool keeps telling me I have updates when I don't... ;-)
[11:16] <dogatemycomputer> willrjmarshall: its a pretty good O/S except it uses RPMs for its package manager.  I know that when I booted Kubuntu from the CD OpenOffice would crash everytime I opened a Word document.
[11:17] <dogatemycomputer> willrjmarshall: SUSE works out of the box but don't go screwing with it.
[11:17] <epimeth> willrjmarshall: how's this one?  I downloaded all of my work emails and then immediately reinstalled kubuntu cuz something small wasn't working.  ummmm... oops?
[11:17] <OutoLumo> Now this is weird. I installed the newest ktorrent from their site (forced arch), and now that I try to run it from konsole I get "ktorrent: error while loading shared libraries: libgmp.so.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory"  - yet /usr/lib/libgmp.so.3 is a symlink pointing to existing file libgmp.so.3.4.1 ...
[11:17] <epimeth> yea... I really don't like the rpms... I don't even know why, but I don't
[11:17] <dogatemycomputer> epimeth: its called "dependency hell"
[11:18] <willrjmarshall> Redo the symlink?
[11:18] <willrjmarshall> dogatemycomputer: Novell have joined the Axis of Evil, though.
[11:18] <willrjmarshall> dogatemycomputer: Novell have joined the Axis of Evil, though.
[11:18] <epimeth> oh yea!  thats what it was... lol... I distinctly remember trying to install something and getting "so-and-so requires whatsisface"  so I go to install whatsisface and get "whatsisface requires so-and-so"  WTF????
[11:19] <dogatemycomputer> willrjmarshall: then use CentOs..
[11:19] <epimeth> willrjmarshall: actually, I prefer to think of it as "Novell might actually help bring the axis of evil to the light side"
[11:19] <willrjmarshall> Or Kubuntu :p
[11:19] <dogatemycomputer> willrjmarshall: although I agree.. if you're in bed with Mirosoft.. then.. you're just dirty.
[11:19] <willrjmarshall> epimeth: I have too much cynicism to believe that.
[11:19] <willrjmarshall> Thank *god* Dell didn't go with Suse for their desktops
[11:19] <dogatemycomputer> epimeth: I appreciate and admire your .. what's the word?  ummmm... optimism ;)
[11:19] <lupul> hi all. is there any app like superkaramba but just for monitoring memory and cpu?
[11:19] <willrjmarshall> dogatemycomputer: Exactly!
[11:20] <epimeth> wow... I've never been called an optimist before... I'm one of those people who say "looks like you have half as much water as you do cup, there..."
[11:20] <dueyfinster> Anyone know how I can do network users (so that on multiple boxes Kubuntu sessions remain the same)? I don't mean client/server type model, just a method of sessions that would be transparent to a user (ie. they just enter user/pass on a login screen), any guides would be good
[11:20] <epimeth> yea... I'm super-psyched dell is going with *ubuntu
[11:20] <OutoLumo> willrjmarshall, symlink redo: no avail.
[11:21] <willrjmarshall> OutoLumo: Throw me the error again?
[11:21] <dogatemycomputer> epimeth: seriously though.. I really hope you're right.  I know i'm about to be flamed.. but if Mirosoft released a *GLP'd* distro.. then I would be very happy.. it would mean they have finally decided to stop trying to end the party.. but instead.. join it.
[11:21] <epimeth> dueyfinster: ummm... thats pretty much how it works... can you get more specific?
[11:21] <dueyfinster> epimeth: yes should be good, pity its not Kubuntu though!
[11:21] <willrjmarshall> uninstall it and compile it from source!
[11:21] <willrjmarshall> I just did :p
[11:21] <willrjmarshall> forcing architecture is bad idea if you can compile
[11:22] <dogatemycomputer> dueyfinster: please elaborate..
[11:22] <nafion> exit
[11:22] <dogatemycomputer> exit?
[11:22] <OutoLumo> willrjmarshall, "ktorrent: error while loading shared libraries: libgmp.so.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory"
[11:22] <dueyfinster> epimeth:  Yes, bear with me! Well If I use my Kubuntu box in my room, then the family computer downstairs, I'd like the same session (ie. same apps where I left off). I get this on one computer manually saving sessions.
[11:22] <epimeth> dogatemycomputer: at this point they can't do that... what I really want to see is that whatever code ms is claiming that the nixes stole is actually some GPL'd code that a friend of BG's wrote :-)  now *that* would make my decade
[11:23] <dogatemycomputer> dueyfinster: so basically you want to share your existing desktop?
[11:23] <willrjmarshall> OutoLumo: As I say, uninstall, then compile from source
[11:23] <willrjmarshall> You often get library issues with i386 on amd64
[11:23] <OutoLumo> willrjmarshall, as always :-)
[11:23] <dueyfinster> dogatemycomputer:  Yes, and if thats to bandwidth intensive, just having the same apps open
[11:24] <dogatemycomputer> dueyfinster: are you using kubuntu?  (i know that should be obvious.. but I wanna check first)
[11:24] <epimeth> dueyfinster: first of all you have to make sure that the two computers have the same packages installed, that way there isn't some problem with software that appears in the saved session but doesn't exist
[11:24] <dueyfinster> do of course, only the finest, using since it was created (and Ubuntu since 2004)
[11:24] <epimeth> dueyfinster: then you enable nfs/smb on both of them so that you can transfer files between them
[11:25] <epimeth> dueyfinster: then you write a script that on logon (or log off) the session file is transferred from one system to the other
[11:25] <epimeth> dueyfinster: easy-peasy
[11:25] <epimeth> :-)
[11:25] <dogatemycomputer> dueyfinster: in that case.. just enable desktop sharing..
[11:25] <dogatemycomputer> dueyfinster: let me find it for you.
[11:25] <willrjmarshall> OutoLumo: You know how to compile the source?
[11:26] <dueyfinster> epimeth:  Thats what I thought
[11:26] <OutoLumo> willrjmarshall, well, yes... I'm just not too thrilled about it. It's dirty :-)
[11:26] <epimeth> dueyfinster: so why didn't you go ahead and do it? huh? huh? what are you bothering me for?!?!?
[11:26] <dueyfinster> dogatemycomputer: cool thanks, I have used VNC extensively but its always slow, RDP or any of the rest better, how bout ssh and X?
[11:27] <dueyfinster> epimeth:  I just wanna know the best way
[11:27] <willrjmarshall> Dirty? Nothing cleaner!
[11:27] <dogatemycomputer> dueyfinster: honestly.. i don't know where it is on your menu.. but LAUNCH -> RUN -> KRFB should get you there..
[11:27] <dogatemycomputer> dueyfinster: brb
[11:28] <epimeth> dueyfinster: using desktop sharing is a good solution, too... but do you really want to?  kinda defies the purpose of having two good computers... unless of course one of them is kinda junky?
[11:28] <david_> dueyfinster: ssh with X forwarding is good, it allows you to run an app from another computer, without it having to draw on that other persons screen.
[11:28] <epimeth> also, the server computer will have to be on all the time...
[11:28] <david_> downside is sound also comes out of the host computer
[11:28] <david_> yeah
[11:28] <epimeth> lol... didn't think of that, david_
[11:28] <dueyfinster> epimeth:  not a problem really, all mine are left on
[11:29] <OutoLumo> willrjmarshall, yeas, cleaner for each program, but messes the system package maintenance.
[11:29] <epimeth> tho I guess you can define that the sound out is on the local
[11:29] <willrjmarshall> OutoLumo: Not if you keep tabs on what you've installed
[11:29] <willrjmarshall> I never have problems
[11:30] <dueyfinster> cool thanks all, I look into it all deeper now.
[11:30] <OutoLumo> willrjmarshall, well the tabs in themself are dirty... ;-) Oh well, I like to bleed... =)
[11:30] <OutoLumo> Anyway, I'll initiate the zzz kioslave now...
[11:31] <OutoLumo> willrjmarshall, you are right: what's the fun in using linux if you don't compile?-)
[11:31] <Unix_Jihad> haha, he could always compile debs anyway
[11:32] <BluesKaj> <--- likes deb pkgs ...easy to install
[11:32] <BluesKaj> and bin files as well
[11:33] <dogatemycomputer> did Duey leave?
[11:34] <epimeth> dogatemycomputer: yup
[11:35] <lunar-raven> does anyone know where to go to make wishlist request for kubuntu?
[11:36] <kristjan__> !uuid
[11:36] <ubotu> To see a list of your devices/partitions and their corresponding UUID's, run this command in a !shell:  blkid  (see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LibAtaForAtaDisks for the rationale behind the transition to UUID)
[11:36] <epimeth> ?
[11:36] <epimeth> UUID?
[11:38] <lupul> can anyone help me with partitioning?
[11:39] <lupul> !format
[11:39] <ubotu> Partitioning programs: !GParted or QTParted (also "man mkfs" for formatting) - Mounting partitions in Gnome under Dapper: System -> Administration -> Disks - For Edgy, see !fstab and !DiskMounter
[11:40] <dogatemycomputer> epimeth: did he find the connection sharing app?
[11:40] <epimeth> dunno... I think he's gonna try it my way, actually...
[11:41] <epimeth> honestly, why use desktop sharing when you don't have to... I'd rather open up as few ports as possible :-)
[11:42] <dogatemycomputer> epimeth: I use SSH personally..
[11:42] <epimeth> pub/priv key?
[11:42] <epimeth> cuz if so can you help me out?  mine refuses to work
[11:43] <maxcxam> plz daite adress ru channel
[11:43] <epimeth> maxcxam: ???
[11:44] <maxcxam> ubotu plz dai ssilku na ubuntu channel
[11:44] <maxcxam> rus channel
[11:45] <epimeth> !ru > maxcxam
[11:45] <maxcxam> how look for provider dns
[11:45] <dogatemycomputer> epimeth: sorry..  apparently our Microsoft Exchange Server and our Microsoft File Server both failed at the same time so everyone is here freaking out..
[11:45] <epimeth> maxcxam: you have to ask your provider
[11:45] <maxcxam> ru
[11:46] <epimeth> dogatemycomputer: lolololololol
[11:46] <dogatemycomputer> epimeth: are you asking me how to setup SSH?
[11:46] <maxcxam> kak uznat dns providera
[11:46] <epimeth> dogatemycomputer: no, I'm asking you why my pub/priv key over ssh isn't working :-)
[11:46] <dogatemycomputer> epimeth: my suse file server here hasn't been rebooted in years..
[11:46] <dogatemycomputer> epimeth: our Exchange Server seems to have many problems..
[11:46] <drkns> hello
[11:46] <drkns> hows everyone today
[11:46] <drkns> i would like to ask for help
[11:47] <epimeth> maxcxam: I don't speak russion... I don't know if anyone here does, but if you'll go to the channel that ubotu sent you they might be able to help you there
[11:47] <epimeth> !rn | maxcxam
[11:47] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about rn - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:47] <epimeth> !ru | maxcxam
[11:47] <ubotu> maxcxam:    #ubuntu-ru       /  Pozhalujsta vojdite v #ubuntu-ru dlq pomoshchi na russkom qzyke
[11:47] <dogatemycomputer> epimeth: i just setup mine to require a userid/password .. I don't use a key other than to encrypt the connection..
[11:47] <drkns> i am tryint to install the latest ati driver for my ati mobility radeon 9700 256mb on my laptop
[11:47] <epimeth> dogatemycomputer: grrrr.... you are useless!!! bah!
[11:47] <dogatemycomputer> epimeth: i'm a simple peasant..
[11:47] <epimeth> drkns don't ask if you can ask a question, just ask the question!
[11:48] <epimeth> dogatemycomputer: bloody peasant!
[11:48] <dogatemycomputer> epimeth: my password is complicated enough..
[11:48] <epimeth> did you see that!?!? did you see him oppressing me???
[11:48] <drkns> i am tryin to be polite here :)
[11:48] <dogatemycomputer> you guys are funny..
[11:48] <ardchoille> epimeth: "Oh what a give-away"
[11:48] <epimeth> dogatemycomputer: nothing a top notch beowulf cluster couldn't crack in a day or two :-p
[11:49] <epimeth> drkns: then ask politely :-)
[11:49] <ardchoille> !ati | drkns
[11:49] <ubotu> drkns: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[11:49] <dogatemycomputer> I knew there had to be an auto response.
[11:49] <epimeth> ??? how did you know he wanted info on ati/nvidia?
[11:49] <drkns> here is my problem i followed the instruction on ati wiki and installed ati driver version 8.36.5
[11:49] <dogatemycomputer> drkns: did you try following the script alrady?
[11:50] <dogatemycomputer> drkns: sorry.. go ahead.. we're listening.
[11:50] <drkns> when i check for fglrxinfo i get this message
[11:50] <drkns> display: :0.0  screen: 0
[11:50] <drkns> OpenGL vendor string: Tungsten Graphics, Inc.
[11:50] <drkns> OpenGL renderer string: Mesa DRI R300 20060815 AGP 1x x86/MMX/SSE2 TCL
[11:50] <drkns> OpenGL version string: 1.3 Mesa 6.5.2
[11:51] <dogatemycomputer> this is outside my leauge.  i couldn't get the ATI binaries to work on my X600 or X300 either..
[11:51] <dogatemycomputer> i used fglrx..
[11:51] <drkns> am i suppose to get this? because itcomes out smtg else on the wiki
[11:52] <dogatemycomputer> drkns: its what I got when I tried.. but its not using the ATI drivers.. hopefully someone else here can help.
[11:52] <drkns> i have installed ati propriety drivers before but this time the driver version was smtg older compared to 8.36.5
[11:52] <epimeth> drkns: sorry mate... dunno nuthin about graphics... I just know that I jumped through hoops to get beryl working on my nvidia geforce2, and that on this laptop with some proprietary intel chipset it worked out of the box...
[11:53] <drkns> either case my agp is 8x but it is set up 1x or 4x max
[11:53] <cabled_> OpenGL vendor string: Tungsten Graphics, Inc.
[11:53] <cabled_> OpenGL renderer string: Mesa DRI R300 20060815 AGP 1x x86/MMX/SSE2 TCL
[11:53] <cabled_> OpenGL version string: 1.3 Mesa 6.5.2
[11:53] <cabled_> ati 800 vid card..hope that helps
[11:53] <epimeth> drkns: you should try #ubuntu-effects
[11:53] <drkns> mine card is ati mobility radeon 9700 with 256mb ram
[11:54] <epimeth> drkns: they aren't always there, tho.... you might also try the ati message board
[11:54] <epimeth> or even the ubuntu message board...
[11:54] <epimeth> bottom line is, *somebody* has your card and had beryl running :-)
[11:54] <drkns> epimeth usually i come here as my last resort but thanks anyways
[11:55] <epimeth> drkns: no worries
[11:55] <epimeth> :-)
[11:55] <lupul> ! delete partition
[11:56] <drkns> i am getting the module monitor&display could not be loaded error when i try system setting
[11:57] <drkns> an error occured during your last kde upgrade leaving an orphaned control module
[11:57] <drkns> you have old third party modules lying around
[11:57] <drkns> is it possible to find these modules and killem
[11:58] <lupul> i need some help please
[11:58] <Admiral_Chicago> drkns: i fixed that with sudo dpkg-reconfigure kde-guidance
[11:58] <Admiral_Chicago> bbl
[11:58] <epimeth> brb
[11:58] <lupul> i need to delete dev/hda2 and then resize /dev/hda3 and make it become /dev/hda2
[11:58] <lupul> please?
[11:59] <drkns> thanks need to restart i guess
[11:59] <_StefanS_> lupul: resize2fs might do it for you.
[12:00] <_StefanS_> lupul: but you need to delete the partition on /dev/hda2 first in cfdisk
[12:01] <epimeth> _StefanS_: isn't there some GUI partition manager he can use?
[12:01] <_StefanS_> epimeth: gparted maybe.
[12:01] <Yorokobi> !info gparted
[12:01] <ubotu> gparted: GNOME partition editor. In component main, is optional. Version 0.2.5-2ubuntu2 (feisty), package size 316 kB, installed size 1588 kB
[12:01] <epimeth> lol... GNOME partition editor, eh?  isn't there a kparted? I'm allergic to things starting with g's
[12:01] <epimeth> :-)
[12:01] <dogatemycomputer> drkm: you may really just want to try installing the fglrx drivers and use those.  They are more stable and don't have anywhere near as many problems.
[12:02] <lupul> thanks
[12:02] <lupul> cfdisk does it all
[12:02] <epimeth> ubiquity or something, no?
[12:02] <ubuntu> this is getting so frustrating
[12:02] <epimeth> ubuntu: yessir?
[12:02] <dogatemycomputer> epimeth: gparted works so much better.. strangely enough..
[12:02] <epimeth> so I was right? its ubiquity? sweet :-)
[12:02] <Yorokobi> lupul: if you want to change /dev/hda2 to /dev/hda3 (for example) you have to change the IDE cables connecting the drive(s)
[12:03] <lupul> what?
[12:03] <epimeth> Yorokobi: no he doesn't
[12:03] <lupul> hda 2 and 3 are partitions
[12:03] <epimeth> lupul: no you don't!
[12:03] <epimeth> oh
[12:03] <epimeth> you got it :-)
[12:03] <epimeth> heh
[12:03] <Yorokobi> hah
[12:03] <Yorokobi> <-- Didn't think it through
[12:03] <lupul> i know
[12:03] <epimeth> Yorokobi: lol... I can just see him do it and then go... "where'd hda go?  why won't my computer work at all??? AHHHH!!!!"
[12:03] <epimeth> :-)
[12:04] <dogatemycomputer> hahahahahaha
[12:04] <Yorokobi> yeah, its time I went home and took a nap
[12:04] <epimeth> soooo.... who's using public/private key encryption for their ssl logins?
[12:04] <dogatemycomputer> you know..  when I first started screwing with linux I would go to some of these channels, explain my problem and someone would say, "type this into the command console" and suddenly my start forking threads until it crashed.
[12:04] <navets> hey can anyone tell me where i can go to check what my startup programs are?
[12:05] <dogatemycomputer> now i always research all of the commands in advance before entering them into the console.
[12:05] <Yorokobi> navets: where they start up from or where they actually are?
[12:05] <epimeth> dogatemycomputer: that still happens now and then... I've seen "try $init 6" before...
[12:05] <jujimufu> has anyone installed kiba-dock?
[12:05] <ceritus> has anyone figured out how to extract the audio from a *.flv file?
[12:06] <navets> Yorokobi: I just want to be able to disable some programs from starting up
[12:06] <dogatemycomputer> epimeth: hahahaha..  yet another command I now know better..
[12:06] <Yorokobi> navets: during boot or login?
[12:06] <navets> login
[12:06] <epimeth> dogatemycomputer: luckily, its possible to bring it back to 3... liveCD's are awesome :-)
[12:07] <Yorokobi> navets: two options come to mind. 1) check ~/.kde/Autostart to see if there are any links to the programs and 2) close the programs and log out of KDE. They *shouldn't* start up after that.
[12:08] <navets> Yorokobi: thanks ill try both
[12:08] <epimeth> navets: thats a session thing, tho... you can disable that in System Settings
[12:08] <navets> ok ill check that out as well
[12:08] <Yorokobi> or enable, as necessary. Keeping session state may be what is needed.
[12:09] <epimeth> I personally can't be bothered to make sure everything is closed when I log out... so I just start a new session every time... faster login, too
[12:09] <navets> how can i set it up so i start a new session everytime I log in?
[12:09] <epimeth> measure once, cut twice, eh Yorokobi?
[12:10] <Yorokobi> epimeth: or don't log out at all
[12:10] <epimeth> navets: exactly like I said... its in session settings on the System Settings
[12:10] <epimeth> Yorokobi: see, that would be silly... this is a laptop and isn't always connected to the power
[12:10] <epimeth> :-)
[12:11] <navets> epimeth: session settings doesnt seem to be there, could it be user management im looking for
[12:11] <epimeth> and hibernation takes waaay too long...
[12:11] <Yorokobi> Yeah, its time for a nap here
[12:11] <epimeth> Yorokobi: "advanced" -> Session Manager
[12:11] <Yorokobi> Can I find naps there?
[12:11] <navets> ahh k got it thanks
[12:11] <Yorokobi> hehe