[12:22] <Hobbsee> kiko:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gedit/+bug/113445 - twitch.  and this is why we need to make bug reporting harder.
[12:22] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 113445 in gedit "xxxxx" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  
[12:22] <Hobbsee> darn, he's not here.
[12:25] <beuno> Hobbsee: maybe add a simple check that there are more then... lets say 8 characters and make sure they aren't the same letter would help?
[12:26] <Hobbsee> beuno: true.  was discussing all this with kiko and various others earlier, at lunch today.  i thought he was here, as this kind of bug was the kind i was talking about
[12:29] <beuno> Hobbsee: maybe open up a bug to make this discussion public?
[12:30] <Hobbsee> beuno: i'm filing launchpad bugs now :)
[12:30] <Hobbsee> just not on tha t:P
[12:30] <beuno> Hobbsee: want me to file it?
[12:30] <beuno> (btw, nice to meet you  :p )
[12:31] <Hobbsee> beuno: likewise.  where are you?  :P
[12:31] <Hobbsee> beuno: i'd probably wait, while kiko's thinking about it - there may be discussions on it tomorrow
[12:32] <beuno> Hobbsee: Argentina
[12:32] <Hobbsee> ahh
[12:32] <Hobbsee> so not in sevilla
[12:33] <beuno> Hobbsee: I wish  :(   couldn't take the time off work
[12:33] <beuno> but I am going to debconf this year!
[12:33] <Hobbsee> :(
[12:33] <Hobbsee> yay!
[12:33] <beuno> so I might meet some of you there?
[12:34] <Hobbsee> beuno: not me.  if you felt like doing something for me though, you could fix https://bugs.launchpad.net/malone/+bug/113451  :P
[12:34] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 113451 in malone "No ability to search bugs by subscriber" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  
[12:35] <beuno> Hobbsee: I'd love to, but they don't let my hands touch launchpad at all  :p
[12:35] <Hobbsee> beuno: ahhh....
[12:36] <beuno> Hobbsee: I wish  :D
[12:36] <Hobbsee> beuno: i believe there are positions open :P
[12:37] <beuno> Hobbsee: well, I might have to chat a bit with mark in debconf then...  :D
[12:37] <Hobbsee> hehe
[12:38] <Hobbsee> :)
[12:39] <beuno> I would of loved to make to Sevilla though, I had to nag some people to represent me on some specs
[12:39] <beuno> next one is in Boston, right?
[12:40] <Hobbsee> yes
[12:40] <ubotu> New bug: #113451 in malone "No ability to search bugs by subscriber" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/113451
[12:41] <beuno> well, if I manage to get a Visa to get into the US, I'll be there!
[12:41] <Hobbsee> :)
[12:42] <beuno> the US embassy isn't very friendly over here
[12:43] <beuno> Hobbsee: where are you located?
[12:44] <Hobbsee> beuno: right now i'm in seville, but usually sydney
[12:45] <beuno> Hobbsee: right, that's why I don't see you as much, you're like 12 hours ahead of me
[12:46] <Hobbsee> beuno: yes.  but i keep weird times
[12:51] <beuno> Hobbsee: well, great to talk with you, and hope to see some more pics/videos/info on UDS, I'm anxious to read about what's going on  :D
[12:51] <Hobbsee> :)
[01:55] <ubotu> New bug: #113465 in launchpad-bazaar "User confused by teams" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/113465
[03:05] <beuno> mornin mpt  :D
[03:06] <beuno> how much do you know about importing packages from Debian?
[03:10] <mpt> beuno, I bought a set of Debian CDs once, but I never installed it
[03:11] <beuno> mpt: thanks, I keep on thinking you have an answer to almost everything  :D
[03:12] <mpt> beuno, actually, for that sort of question you'd probably get a much better answer in #ubuntu-motu
[03:13] <mpt> (assuming that you're wanting to import said packages in Ubuntu)
[03:13] <beuno> mpt: you're right, I'm headed there right now, thanks again!
[03:32] <nictuku> hi
[03:33] <nictuku> I'm considering moving my project management to LP
[03:34] <nictuku> I should keep at least a site/wiki with download options somewhere else, right?
[03:38] <statik> nictuku: LP doesn't currently have filedownloads, but that feature is currently in code review and will be enabled soon
[03:38] <nictuku> nice
[06:25] <ubotu> New bug: #113646 in malone "bug reporting flow is not coherent when using apport" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/113646
[06:52] <danilos> carlos: how often do we update the statistics for PO files? (re email on rosetta-users and #112395)
[06:54] <carlos> danilos: it's supposed to be done live
[06:54] <carlos> when you update the translation
[06:54] <carlos> or when a .po file is uploaded
[06:54] <carlos> I filed a bug for that problem already
[06:55] <danilos> carlos: the bug 112395 is the one filed by andre, why not use that one?
[06:55] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 112395 in rosetta "Wrong string count on filter "untranslated"" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112395
[06:56] <carlos> danilos: hmm, in fact I didn't file the bug.. I filed another one and I mixed that...
[06:56] <carlos> I filed https://bugs.launchpad.net/rosetta/+bug/112308
[06:56] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 112308 in rosetta "Launchpad says there are errors but doesn't explain where the error is" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]   - Assigned to Jeroen T. Vermeulen (jtv)
[06:57] <carlos> and I don't know why, I thought it was for the count problem
[06:57] <danilos> carlos: ok, no worries then, just making sure people get responses on rosetta-users
[06:57] <danilos> carlos: you confirmed this one for the count problem :)
[06:57] <carlos> danilos: that's why I thought I filed it :-P
[06:58] <carlos> I know I touched that bug :-)
[06:59] <danilos> carlos: you are karma whore :P
[07:25] <pochu> hi there! I have a little question: If a ubuntu source package isn't linked to a launchpad project, can't I link it to a remote tracker?
[07:25] <pochu> e.g. I'm trying to link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/easytag/+bug/109364 to a SF bug
[07:25] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 109364 in easytag "[apport]  easytag crashed with SIGSEGV in g_slice_alloc()" [Medium,Confirmed]  
[07:31] <matsubara> pochu: the upstream project needs to be registered in LP first.
[07:32] <pochu> I was afraid about that :/
[07:32] <pochu> matsubara: ok, thanks
[07:32] <matsubara> pochu: feel free to register it and link it to the ubuntu package
[10:49] <ScottK> Someone is going through and subscribing all manner of teams to his loco team.  Is that something anyone here can put a stop to?  The LP profile of the person doing it has no e-mail address, so I can't contact them directly.
[10:50] <ScottK> The loco team in question is https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-newmexico
[10:51] <beuno> ScottK: I think adding teams to other teams has been (or will be) restricted to Team Administrators, not sure how a case like this is handeld
[10:51] <ScottK> At this point I think he's being abusive.
[10:52] <ScottK> https://launchpad.net/~jamesbunnell is the person doing it.
[10:52] <beuno> ScottK: maybe open up a bug?
[10:52] <Rinchen> he's yarddog
[10:52] <ScottK> Yes and not on any channel I'm on.
[10:52] <pochu> Membership:   1095 (Open Team)
[10:52] <pochu> heh :)
[10:52] <beuno> ooooh, "Launchpad: ubuntu-loco-enthusiasts is now a member of ubuntu-newmexico", just got that email in my inbox
[10:53] <beuno> not good   :|
[10:53] <SteveA> hi
[10:53] <ScottK> Hi
[10:53] <SteveA> so, someone's subscribingn teams to a particular team?
[10:53] <ScottK> Yes
[10:54] <Rinchen> See https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-newmexico/+members  
[10:54] <salgado> he's yarddog here on freenode
[10:54] <SteveA> ok
[10:54] <SteveA> I'm now the owner of that team
[10:55] <ScottK> Excellent.
[10:57] <ScottK> SteveA: Are you taking care of unsubscribing all the teams then?  I'd offer suggestions about what to do with ~jamesbunnell, but I'm not sure they'd be consistent with the code of conduct, so I'll refrain.
[10:57] <Nafallo> hehe
[10:57] <BaKKaR> who is here?
[10:59] <SteveA> I mailed him privately to ask him to discuss this with me
[10:59] <SteveA> before I return ownership of the team to him
[10:59] <SteveA> perhaps he just didn't realize it was rude
[10:59] <ScottK> Thanks for the quick response.
[10:59] <SteveA> I apologise for the inconvenience of this.  We'll have a feature in Launchpad soon to prevent people from subscribing teams to a team
[10:59] <SteveA> without confirmation
[11:00] <SteveA> ScottK: can you tell me what teams should be unsubscribed?
[11:00] <Rinchen> SteveA, I believe any team that starts with Ubuntu or Contributors on https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-newmexico/+members
[11:01] <Rinchen> The rest in fact are individuals
[11:01] <SteveA> anyone know who michael rimbert is?
[11:01] <crimsun> tritium
[11:01] <ScottK> Looks like he also subscribed https://launchpad.net/~dennis who I'm sure doesn't live in New Mexico.
[11:02] <SteveA> ok, I'm now the only admin of that team
[11:02] <SteveA> I'll leave things as they are until I get some explanation
[11:02] <Rinchen> ScottK, that's seveas and you're right, he doesn't. :-) 
[11:02] <ScottK> SteveA: My advice would be to unsub any person or team subscribed today.
[11:03] <crimsun> I have a phone conf with tritium (michael rimbert) tonight; if there's something I should bring up, I'm happy to.
[11:03] <SteveA> crimsun: please mention that I took control of that team
[11:03] <crimsun> ok, will do.
[11:04] <SteveA> crimsun: and that I mailed james bunnell to ask for a discussion about it
[11:04] <SteveA> I neglected to add a reason in the UI when I removed their administrator privs
[11:04] <SteveA> as I was in a rush
[11:06] <Rinchen> SteveA, salgado - interesting to note that as an admin of one of those affected teams, I cannot unsub my team.
[11:07] <SteveA> Rinchen: that's clearly a bug
[11:08] <Rinchen> Permission to file?
[11:09] <SteveA> hmm, if I deactivate the memberships, a lot of people will be emailed
[11:09] <ScottK> Yes, but they already got e-mailed once.
[11:09] <SteveA> I just tried with the universe contribs
[11:09] <SteveA> and the request timed out
[11:09] <SteveA> so maybe I'll get stub (the DBA) to unsubscribe with a database hack
[11:09] <SteveA> to avoid extra mail
[11:10] <ScottK> Maybe the thing to do, if you could, would be a custom unsub mail that explains that the teams were incorrectly subbed, the problems been stopped, and things are being put back, sorry for the interruption...
[11:11] <ScottK> Got a weird subscription mail from LP, but am not subbed would just seem an odd state to end up with.
[11:12] <SteveA> I see what you're saying.
[11:12] <SteveA> mail isn't a reliable transport though
[11:12] <ScottK> Yes, so then people go looking through their spam folders for the rest of the story.
[11:13] <ScottK> They've already been spammed once, I'd say better to fess up the problem and what's been done about it with a second mail.
[11:13] <ScottK> If they got the first one, they'd likely get a second.
[11:13] <ScottK> We needn't worry about those that didn't get the first either.
[11:14] <Rinchen> Seems we have a bug for removing teams: Bug 110108. I've confirmed it and listed it as high priority.
[11:14] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 110108 in launchpad "Team admin should be able cancel the team membership in another team" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/110108
[11:14] <SteveA> thanks for that.  I'll think about this tomorrow morning.  it's too late here for me to make a good decision.
[11:14] <ScottK> Up to you of course.
[11:15] <ScottK> Good luck figuring it out. It looks like my work here is done.  Thanks again SteveA.  Good bye.
[11:16] <SteveA> I just recieved a reply from James.  He says it's an honest mistake and he didn't realize the consequences.
[11:16] <SteveA> He's asked me to remove the teams that were added, apologises for the trouble, and says he wont' do it again.
[11:17] <SteveA> I believe that he is sincere, so I'll see to this.
[11:17] <SteveA> just to let y'all listing in know what's happening.
[11:23] <beuno> SteveA: maybe this would be a good time to mock up a quick "Launchpad Etiquette" document?
[11:23] <Nafallo> Spads: thanks :-)
[11:23] <SteveA> beuno: that's a great idea.  mrevell can help you with this, if you're interested.
[11:23] <Spads> Nafallo: for?
[11:24] <Nafallo> Spads: hehe. not you ;-)
[11:24] <Nafallo> SteveA: thanks :-)
[11:24] <beuno> SteveA: sure, I'm not sure if I have enough knowledge to get something like that done, but I'll start something and nag mrevell  :p
[11:24] <Nafallo> Spads: yea. irssi thinks you're cuter! :-)
[11:25] <Spads> :D
[11:25] <beuno> SteveA: in help.lauchpad.net, right?
[11:25] <Rinchen> beuno, should we create one, that is where it would live. 
[11:26] <Rinchen> we in the general sense :-) 
[11:26] <Rinchen> I was going to ask you if you were volunteering :-) 
[11:27] <beuno> Rinchen: I can volunteer to push it forward and add anything I know, but I'm sure there are several of you that would have a much better take on the subject
[11:28] <Rinchen> beuno, I think mrevell is the correct place to present an idea.  He'll get it to the correct Launchpad decision makers.
[11:29] <beuno> Rinchen: great, I'll start by emailing him, thanks  :D
[11:30] <Rinchen> I would hope that we would rectify any issues with Launchpad as we find them to prevent any etiquette issues from arising thus preventing a need for such a document.  Today's mass subscriptions being an example. 
[11:31] <Rinchen> How's that for a run-on sentence. :-) 
[11:32] <beuno> right, seems like the best way to go, I'm just thinking this might prevent an issue or two while you get all those loopholes nailed down
[11:32] <beuno> but of course, if you think it's an overkill, I won't push it any further, it just occured to me it might useful to have a link to send users to
[11:33] <Rinchen> beuno, I think you should email Matt Revell with the idea.
[11:37] <popey> uhm
[11:37] <popey> can someone fix some spurious memberships?
[11:38] <Rinchen> popey, that should be taken care of as far as the New Mexico issue is concerned.
[11:38] <Rinchen> popey, a longer term solution is in the works.
[11:39] <popey> ok, ta
[11:45] <tritium> Hi SteveA.  I see James was playing around with adding teams to the NM loco.  Sorry that happened.