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| yarddog | hi, i am looking to possibly join the team, i am currently involved with tritium and the new mexico team, #ubuntu-newmexico | 04:17 |
| Admiral_Chicago | yarddog: http://www.mdke.org/?p=67 | 05:01 |
| yarddog | thank you, i tried to join via the launchpad, however it said only admin could add new members. | 05:05 |
| Admiral_Chicago | yes, that is true, this is to make sure people who are added are those whom have been working in the team | 05:06 |
| yarddog | thank you Admiral_Chicago ill look into this | 05:15 |
| Admiral_Chicago | yarddog: no problem, i'd take a look at bug reports or mentoring roles and see what you can help improve | 05:18 |
| Admiral_Chicago | myself, i am pushing to help xubuntu documentation | 05:18 |
| yarddog | sounds good, ill look at it this week | 05:19 |
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| nixternal | congrats mdke & Burgundavia on CC!!! | 06:42 |
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| bhuvan | wow! congratulations mdke & Burgundavia !!! | 06:52 |
| nixternal | we now have connections bhuvan ;) | 06:53 |
| bhuvan | yes! | 06:53 |
| Burgundavia | and jerome | 06:53 |
| Burgundavia | the original three doc team people | 06:53 |
| nixternal | nice | 06:53 |
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| mdke | bhuvan, nixternal - thanks | 09:57 |
| theCore | mdke: I got a question about the docs | 09:57 |
| mdke | theCore: shoot | 09:57 |
| theCore | mdke. why the language entity in the server guide is "&EnglishAmerican;"? and not "en-us" ? | 09:59 |
| mdke | theCore: no idea. I don't think such an entity is used at all | 09:59 |
| mdke | you can probably safely ignore it | 09:59 |
| theCore | &EnglishAmerican; doesn't exist in DocBook, I believe | 10:00 |
| theCore | mdke: do what to see the patch? | 10:00 |
| theCore | do you* | 10:00 |
| theCore | mdke: well, xsltproc doesn't ignore it, and spit out many warning messages | 10:01 |
| theCore | No localization exists for "c" or "". Using default "en". | 10:03 |
| mdke | theCore: that's fine, all our docs contain that warning | 10:03 |
| theCore | mdke: that's not true | 10:03 |
| theCore | mdke: only the serverguide emits it | 10:04 |
| theCore | that is because &EnglishAmerican; is undefined | 10:04 |
| mdke | we've always had that error when building docs for the last 2 years at least | 10:05 |
| mdke | it's never been an issue | 10:05 |
| mdke | if you think it's important, feel free to file a bug or send a patch | 10:05 |
| theCore | yes, that isn't an issue, but it is annoying | 10:05 |
| theCore | mdke: http://peadrop.com/files/server-language.patch http://peadrop.com/files/serverguide-language.patch | 10:07 |
| mdke | right | 10:08 |
| mdke | is there a reason to prefer en-us over en, as with the other docs? | 10:08 |
| mdke | or indeed removing the entity entirely? | 10:09 |
| theCore | not really, I just wanted to make the change transparent | 10:09 |
| mdke | I see that basic-commands doesn't have the entity; that was created with wiki->docbook tools, and if we are going to start using them more, we may wish to be consistent with headers | 10:10 |
| mdke | is there a disadvantage in not including the entity? | 10:10 |
| theCore | mdke: I don't know | 10:10 |
| theCore | all the docs got it | 10:10 |
| theCore | so, it would more trouble to remove it than to just change it | 10:11 |
| mdke | true | 10:11 |
| mdke | (except basic-commands) | 10:11 |
| theCore | % find -name '*.xml' -print0 | xargs -0 grep '<!ENTITY language' | wc -l | 10:13 |
| theCore | 127 | 10:13 |
| theCore | hm there is a few more ... | 10:14 |
| theCore | find -name '*.xml' -print0 | xargs -0 grep '<!ENTITY language \"&EnglishAmerican;\"' | wc -l | 10:16 |
| theCore | 44 | 10:16 |
| theCore | so, the majority is "en" | 10:16 |
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| theCore | mdke: do you want me to change them to "en" or "en-us"? | 10:19 |
| mdke | theCore: I don't really have the knowledge to make such a decision :) | 10:20 |
| theCore | ah, well | 10:20 |
| theCore | I will go for "en" | 10:20 |
| mdke | ok | 10:20 |
| theCore | done | 10:21 |
| theCore | http://peadrop.com/files/en-language-entity.patch | 10:21 |
| mdke | looks like the first two in the list have it twice | 10:22 |
| theCore | wait ... | 10:22 |
| theCore | mdke: yes | 10:23 |
| mdke | and maybe some others there | 10:23 |
| theCore | mdke: that is what I just saw | 10:23 |
| theCore | why is it defined twice? | 10:24 |
| theCore | hm | 10:24 |
| theCore | that is weird | 10:24 |
| theCore | I going to learn what the ``language'' entity do, before changing it | 10:26 |
| theCore | that would be a sage idea | 10:26 |
| mdke | :) | 10:26 |
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| theCore | oh, the current DocBook standard is 4.5 | 10:36 |
| theCore | (we use 4.1) | 10:37 |
| theCore | but that isn't important | 10:37 |
| theCore | oh v5.0, is coming soon | 10:46 |
| theCore | but who cares ... | 10:46 |
| theCore | mdke: do you know how the docs are translated? | 10:50 |
| mdke | sure, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/Translation | 10:50 |
| theCore | thanks | 10:51 |
| theCore | ah, I found how it's used | 10:54 |
| theCore | it's a custom entity | 10:54 |
| theCore | <book lang="&language;" id="x01"> | 10:55 |
| theCore | it used throughout the documents, removing it would be a pain | 10:56 |
| theCore | I don't know yet why it's used, though | 10:56 |
| mdke | :) | 10:57 |
| theCore | <!DOCTYPE article PUBLIC "-//OASIS//DTD DocBook XML V4.1.2//EN" | 10:59 |
| theCore | "http://www.oasis-open.org/docbook/xml/4.1.2/docbookx.dtd" [ | 10:59 |
| theCore | the language is also specified by the DOCTYPE | 10:59 |
| theCore | ah... XML is a such redundant language... | 11:00 |
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| theCore | hmm... I just though of an interesting hack | 11:11 |
| theCore | Would it be good idea to a pre-commit hook to svn, that check the validity of the docbook files and refuse them if there are invalid? | 11:13 |
| theCore | In fact, it would be quite easy to do | 11:14 |
| theCore | mdke, what do you think? | 11:16 |
| mdke | interesting | 11:16 |
| mdke | let me think about it | 11:16 |
| nixternal | mdke: think long and hard about it, you and I only commit docs that are validated ;) | 11:23 |
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