[12:58] <XiXaQ> I'm trying to find out how I can setup CalDAV. Can someone point me in the right direction?
[04:17] <yarddog> hi, i am looking to possibly join the team, i am currently involved with tritium and the new mexico team, #ubuntu-newmexico
[05:01] <Admiral_Chicago> yarddog: http://www.mdke.org/?p=67
[05:05] <yarddog> thank you, i tried to join via the launchpad, however it said only admin could add new members.
[05:06] <Admiral_Chicago> yes, that is true, this is to make sure people who are added are those whom have been working in the team
[05:15] <yarddog> thank you Admiral_Chicago ill look into this
[05:18] <Admiral_Chicago> yarddog: no problem, i'd take a look at bug reports or mentoring roles and see what you can help improve
[05:18] <Admiral_Chicago> myself, i am pushing to help xubuntu documentation
[05:19] <yarddog> sounds good, ill look at it this week
[06:42] <nixternal> congrats mdke & Burgundavia on CC!!!
[06:52] <bhuvan> wow! congratulations mdke & Burgundavia !!!
[06:53] <nixternal> we now have connections bhuvan ;)
[06:53] <bhuvan> yes!
[06:53] <Burgundavia> and jerome
[06:53] <Burgundavia> the original three doc team people
[06:53] <nixternal> nice
[09:57] <mdke> bhuvan, nixternal - thanks
[09:57] <theCore> mdke: I got a question about the docs
[09:57] <mdke> theCore: shoot
[09:59] <theCore> mdke. why the language entity in the server guide is  "&EnglishAmerican;"? and not "en-us" ?
[09:59] <mdke> theCore: no idea. I don't think such an entity is used at all
[09:59] <mdke> you can probably safely ignore it
[10:00] <theCore> &EnglishAmerican; doesn't exist in DocBook, I believe
[10:00] <theCore> mdke: do what to see the patch?
[10:00] <theCore> do you*
[10:01] <theCore> mdke: well, xsltproc doesn't ignore it, and spit out many warning messages
[10:03] <theCore> No localization exists for "c" or "". Using default "en".
[10:03] <mdke> theCore: that's fine, all our docs contain that warning
[10:03] <theCore> mdke: that's not true
[10:04] <theCore> mdke: only the serverguide emits it
[10:04] <theCore> that is because &EnglishAmerican; is undefined
[10:05] <mdke> we've always had that error when building docs for the last 2 years at least
[10:05] <mdke> it's never been an issue
[10:05] <mdke> if you think it's important, feel free to file a bug or send a patch
[10:05] <theCore> yes, that isn't an issue, but it is annoying
[10:07] <theCore> mdke: http://peadrop.com/files/server-language.patch http://peadrop.com/files/serverguide-language.patch
[10:08] <mdke> right
[10:08] <mdke> is there a reason to prefer en-us over en, as with the other docs?
[10:09] <mdke> or indeed removing the entity entirely?
[10:09] <theCore> not really, I just wanted to make the change transparent
[10:10] <mdke> I see that basic-commands doesn't have the entity; that was created with wiki->docbook tools, and if we are going to start using them more, we may wish to be consistent with headers
[10:10] <mdke> is there a disadvantage in not including the entity?
[10:10] <theCore> mdke: I don't know
[10:10] <theCore> all the docs got it
[10:11] <theCore> so, it would more trouble to remove it than to just change it
[10:11] <mdke> true
[10:11] <mdke> (except basic-commands)
[10:13] <theCore> % find -name '*.xml' -print0 | xargs -0 grep '<!ENTITY language' | wc -l
[10:13] <theCore> 127
[10:14] <theCore> hm there is a few more ...
[10:16] <theCore> find -name '*.xml' -print0 | xargs -0 grep '<!ENTITY language \"&EnglishAmerican;\"'  | wc -l
[10:16] <theCore> 44
[10:16] <theCore> so, the majority is "en"
[10:19] <theCore> mdke: do you want me to change them to "en" or "en-us"?
[10:20] <mdke> theCore: I don't really have the knowledge to make such a decision :)
[10:20] <theCore> ah, well
[10:20] <theCore> I will go for "en"
[10:20] <mdke> ok
[10:21] <theCore> done
[10:21] <theCore> http://peadrop.com/files/en-language-entity.patch
[10:22] <mdke> looks like the first two in the list have it twice
[10:22] <theCore> wait ...
[10:23] <theCore> mdke: yes
[10:23] <mdke> and maybe some others there
[10:23] <theCore> mdke: that is what I just saw
[10:24] <theCore> why is it defined twice?
[10:24] <theCore> hm
[10:24] <theCore> that is weird
[10:26] <theCore> I going to learn what the ``language'' entity do, before changing it
[10:26] <theCore> that would be a sage idea
[10:26] <mdke> :)
[10:36] <theCore> oh, the current DocBook standard is 4.5
[10:37] <theCore> (we use 4.1)
[10:37] <theCore> but that isn't important
[10:46] <theCore> oh v5.0, is coming soon
[10:46] <theCore> but who cares ...
[10:50] <theCore> mdke: do you know how the docs are translated?
[10:50] <mdke> sure, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/Translation
[10:51] <theCore> thanks
[10:54] <theCore> ah, I found how it's used
[10:54] <theCore> it's a custom entity
[10:55] <theCore> <book lang="&language;" id="x01">
[10:56] <theCore> it used throughout the documents, removing it would be a pain
[10:56] <theCore> I don't know yet why it's used, though
[10:57] <mdke> :)
[10:59] <theCore> <!DOCTYPE article PUBLIC "-//OASIS//DTD DocBook XML V4.1.2//EN"
[10:59] <theCore> 	"http://www.oasis-open.org/docbook/xml/4.1.2/docbookx.dtd" [
[10:59] <theCore> the language is also specified by the DOCTYPE
[11:00] <theCore> ah... XML is a such redundant language...
[11:11] <theCore> hmm... I just though of an interesting hack
[11:13] <theCore> Would it be good idea to a pre-commit hook to svn, that check the validity of the docbook files and refuse them if there are invalid?
[11:14] <theCore> In fact, it would be quite easy to do
[11:16] <theCore> mdke, what do you think?
[11:16] <mdke> interesting
[11:16] <mdke> let me think about it
[11:23] <nixternal> mdke: think long and hard about it, you and I only commit docs that are validated ;)