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| acidBURN | how does one find out what drivers, are being used for the wireless pcmcia card? | 12:43 |
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| nixternal | lcpci | 01:01 |
| nixternal | lspci rather | 01:01 |
| acidBURN | tks | 01:04 |
| acidBURN | not seeing the driver listed | 01:05 |
| acidBURN | Ethernet controller: Atheros Communications, Inc. AR5212 802.11abg NIC (rev 01) | 01:06 |
| acidBURN | Subsystem: Netgear Unknown device 5d00 | 01:06 |
| acidBURN | thought it might me madwifi | 01:07 |
| acidBURN | but its not showing it | 01:07 |
| jdong | that NIC is madwifi-supproted | 01:16 |
| jdong | iwconfig should show an ath0 | 01:16 |
| jdong | if not, check that restricted modules are correctly installed, etc | 01:17 |
| jdong | lsmod | grep ath | 01:17 |
| acidBURN | k checking | 01:17 |
| jdong | should show ath_pci, ath_hal, etc | 01:17 |
| jdong | the AR5212 has one of the most solid wifi drivers available to open source | 01:17 |
| acidBURN | umm it shows a ath1 | 01:17 |
| jdong | yeah, that works too | 01:18 |
| acidBURN | and for wifi it shows nothing | 01:18 |
| jdong | iwlist ath1 scan | 01:19 |
| jdong | that should list all the AP's currently available | 01:19 |
| jdong | may need a sudo to get it to show updated info | 01:19 |
| acidBURN | k grep found something.. | 01:19 |
| jdong | yeah if you have an ath1, the card is being properly detected | 01:20 |
| jdong | if you're using Ubuntu Feisty, KNetworkManager should be able to automatically use that card via its GUI | 01:20 |
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| jdong | madwifi drivers have been heavenly in my epxerience | 01:21 |
| acidBURN | well the reason behind this, is to find out the madwifi driver being used | 01:21 |
| jdong | ah, ok | 01:21 |
| acidBURN | this is what I did | 01:21 |
| jdong | grepping lsmod for ath will tell you if madwifi is being used | 01:21 |
| jdong | ath_hal, ath_pci, etc are all madwifi's work | 01:21 |
| jdong | I believe dmesg | grep madwifi might show the actual madwifi name | 01:22 |
| jdong | maybe ;-) | 01:22 |
| jdong | but the only Linux drivers for Atheros cards is the madwifi driver | 01:22 |
| acidBURN | nope | 01:22 |
| acidBURN | wanted to find out what version | 01:22 |
| acidBURN | of madwifi driver | 01:22 |
| acidBURN | is it current | 01:22 |
| jdong | modinfo /lib/modules/`uname -r`/madwifi/ath_pci.ko | 01:23 |
| jdong | the second or 3rd line is the version | 01:23 |
| jdong | it is reasonably current | 01:23 |
| acidBURN | checking | 01:23 |
| acidBURN | major thanks.. | 01:24 |
| jdong | np | 01:24 |
| acidBURN | its the current version | 01:24 |
| acidBURN | now the fun being.. | 01:24 |
| jdong | yeah, usually the kernel devs keep the driver at the latest version until the version of Ubuntu releases | 01:24 |
| jdong | at that time it is frozen -- it's not wise to update system components after release :) | 01:25 |
| acidBURN | was using the wg511t card and updated to the wpn511 which has rangemax. | 01:25 |
| acidBURN | the funny thing, is the wg511t was showing a better level in strength and speed | 01:25 |
| acidBURN | ? how can this be, since the wpn511 supposed to be a faster card 10x | 01:26 |
| acidBURN | odd | 01:26 |
| jdong | well... the level really doesn't mean too much IMO | 01:26 |
| jdong | the best speed test is downloading a large file from a local LAN host | 01:26 |
| jdong | the connection rate has little to do with actual transfer speed | 01:27 |
| acidBURN | hmm, I did upgrade to netgear rangemax wireless router... | 01:27 |
| jdong | apparently "iwpriv ath0 mode 3;iwpriv ath0 turbo 1" turns on 108G mode | 01:27 |
| jdong | of course, yours is ath1 | 01:27 |
| acidBURN | dump my linksys | 01:27 |
| jdong | 108G is just G multiplexed with an A channel | 01:28 |
| acidBURN | on the wg511t its ath0 | 01:28 |
| acidBURN | on the wpn511 its ath1 | 01:28 |
| jdong | yes, beause ath0 is reserved for your old card | 01:28 |
| jdong | /etc/iftab will show that | 01:28 |
| jdong | edit it with the MAC address of your new card ifyou want it to become ath0 | 01:28 |
| acidBURN | but the speed is not as good as the slower card | 01:29 |
| jdong | the rangeboosting stuff is all a gimmick | 01:29 |
| jdong | acidBURN: how did you test the speed? | 01:29 |
| acidBURN | so, that is why I was asking maybe a driver issue | 01:29 |
| jdong | everything from weather to your neighbor's microwave will affect 2.4GHz transmissions | 01:29 |
| acidBURN | go to a web site, and download a 50 meg file | 01:29 |
| jdong | your web is fast enough to test your wifi? | 01:30 |
| acidBURN | ? | 01:30 |
| acidBURN | have a 15mb connection | 01:30 |
| jdong | ah, ok | 01:30 |
| jdong | that can probably push 2MB/s, which is nearing the limits of wifi in all practicality | 01:31 |
| jdong | what kind of limits are you hitting? | 01:31 |
| jdong | but it is not a driver related thing.... except that command to enable Turbo mode | 01:31 |
| jdong | you can give that a shot, but Turbo mode is pointless if you are out of range of 5.8GHz transmissions | 01:31 |
| jdong | i.e. if there are any walls between you and your router | 01:32 |
| acidBURN | got about 1.1 MB/s wireless | 01:32 |
| jdong | how far away from the router were you? | 01:32 |
| acidBURN | 6 feet | 01:32 |
| jdong | lol | 01:32 |
| jdong | yeah, that's definitely no turbo mode :D | 01:33 |
| acidBURN | good or bad | 01:33 |
| jdong | it's not terrible at all | 01:33 |
| jdong | where were you downloading from? | 01:33 |
| acidBURN | even know the signal strength is only 60 | 01:33 |
| jdong | most of the places I download from can only give me 2.0MB/s wired. | 01:33 |
| jdong | on a good day too | 01:34 |
| jdong | don't use the signal strength numbers -- they don't mean much | 01:34 |
| acidBURN | test.tampabay.rr.com | 01:34 |
| acidBURN | save as | 01:34 |
| acidBURN | 50mb | 01:34 |
| acidBURN | wired I tested at 1.8MB/s | 01:34 |
| jdong | that kind of difference can easily be caused by wifi latency reducing efficiency of TCP/IP | 01:35 |
| acidBURN | ? how does one fix that | 01:35 |
| jdong | you don't... it's a fact of wifi | 01:35 |
| jdong | the only thing that can help you are iether trying new channels | 01:35 |
| acidBURN | >sick< | 01:36 |
| acidBURN | how | 01:36 |
| jdong | or seeing if you can turn on "turbo" mode | 01:36 |
| acidBURN | ? | 01:36 |
| acidBURN | on the card | 01:36 |
| jdong | channels are in your router's config | 01:36 |
| acidBURN | or router | 01:36 |
| jdong | 1, 6, and 11 are the only 3 you need to try | 01:36 |
| acidBURN | the netgear box | 01:36 |
| jdong | the others are all really close to those, so not worth the time | 01:36 |
| acidBURN | ok | 01:36 |
| jdong | yes, on the web admin interface of your netgear box | 01:36 |
| jdong | and turbo mode is explained in the atheros wiki at madwifi.org | 01:37 |
| jdong | I have never owned a turbo mode card personally, so I can't help you much with that | 01:37 |
| jdong | you can try the Atheros IRC channels, etc if the wiki doesn't explain it well | 01:37 |
| jdong | but you if you have another computer in your LAn, you should try using LAN->LAN transfers to gauge speed | 01:37 |
| jdong | just as a reference, with my Intel 3945ABG built in wifi card, I rarely see wifi get faster than 1.5MB/s | 01:38 |
| acidBURN | then the pcmcia card will change channels to match the router and jump into turbo mode? | 01:38 |
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| jdong | even though plugging in to the exact same drop the AP is plugged into gives me 9.2MB/s via my TG3 wired card | 01:38 |
| acidBURN | q. if I change channels, will the other computer using a links wet11 be able to still connect to the netgear router? | 01:40 |
| jdong | yeah | 01:41 |
| jdong | they will momentarily lose their connection, but quicklyl rescan and find the new channel | 01:41 |
| acidBURN | cool | 01:41 |
| acidBURN | okay, I will read up on turbo mode, and check with switching channels for better downloads... TKS | 01:42 |
| jdong | http://www.smallnetbuilder.com/images_old/Reviews/images/scrnshots/dgl_4300/wireless_throughput_compare_dn.png | 01:43 |
| jdong | here is a nice review of an expensive gaming 108G Atheros Turbo G router | 01:43 |
| jdong | the best run showed 20MBit | 01:43 |
| jdong | which is nothing to write home about.... | 01:44 |
| jdong | IMO these A+G multiplexing techniques are just a bunch of gimmicks | 01:44 |
| jdong | they'll need something like freq hopping spread spectrum, MIMO, or a new band before they can make a true breakthrough in wifi speed | 01:44 |
| jdong | then again, I'm not a wifi market analyst by any means. take my words as some random kid in IRC ranting ;-) | 01:45 |
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| doc__ | hi there | 10:17 |
| Hobbsee | hiya | 10:19 |
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| _StefanS_ | nice, just got the new linux format | 11:03 |
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| _StefanS_ | manchicken: so have you started the workshop for adept ? | 11:09 |
| _StefanS_ | manchicken: I was kinda curious about it.. | 11:09 |
| manchicken | Yeah | 11:09 |
| manchicken | Dial in | 11:09 |
| _StefanS_ | manchicken: I'm there. | 11:09 |
| _StefanS_ | manchicken: unfortunately without a mic | 11:09 |
| _StefanS_ | manchicken: but I will listen in | 11:09 |
| Jucato | (wow) | 11:10 |
| manchicken | What? | 11:10 |
| Jucato | adept workshop :) | 11:11 |
| manchicken | :) | 11:11 |
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| _StefanS_ | manchicken: when adding a new repository, wouldn't it be best to separate the fields like the listview ? | 11:16 |
| manchicken | Hold up, I'm trying to figure out how to get software-properties working | 11:24 |
| Jucato | have fun :) | 11:25 |
| _StefanS_ | manchicken: ok :) | 11:25 |
| _StefanS_ | manchicken: so you're looking at adept_installer now ? | 11:31 |
| manchicken | I believe so. | 11:31 |
| _StefanS_ | uhm ok | 11:31 |
| manchicken | Software-properties and such. | 11:31 |
| _StefanS_ | would be nice with a webcam :) | 11:31 |
| manchicken | Yeah. | 11:31 |
| _StefanS_ | seeing what you were doing | 11:31 |
| manchicken | We're moving about quite a bit. | 11:31 |
| _StefanS_ | right | 11:31 |
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| _StefanS_ | hey kwwii | 11:36 |
| kwwii | howdy _StefanS_ | 11:36 |
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| GNUro | Hello, i'm trying to compile kdesdk from kde svn trunk. But it doesn't compile because cmake tell me "Looking for ltdl.h - not found" | 11:41 |
| GNUro | but dpkg -S ltdl.h doesn't return any packages... | 11:42 |
| GNUro | ideas? | 11:42 |
| Jucato | dpkg -S will only scan installed files afaik | 11:42 |
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| Jucato | GNUro: http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?word=ltdl.h&searchmode=searchfiles&case=insensitive&version=feisty&arch=i386 | 11:43 |
| Jucato | ain't sure which of those is the correct one | 11:43 |
| GNUro | Jucato: thnx! | 11:44 |
| Hobbsee | nixternal: do you still want https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu/Screenshots/Dapper ? | 11:51 |
| Hobbsee | Jucato: what are you doing at the moment? | 11:51 |
| manchicken | _StefanS_: Are you on Gobby? | 11:52 |
| _StefanS_ | manchicken: gobby + | 11:52 |
| _StefanS_ | manchicken: + | 11:52 |
| _StefanS_ | manchicken: I have a vm with gutsy if thats what you mean ? | 11:53 |
| manchicken | No, I mean Gobby, the collaborative editor. | 11:53 |
| _StefanS_ | manchicken: nope | 11:53 |
| manchicken | That's where we're taking notes. | 11:54 |
| _StefanS_ | how do I see it ? | 11:54 |
| _StefanS_ | I got it installed now | 11:55 |
| _StefanS_ | got the information on host, port ? | 11:55 |
| manchicken | Just go to gobby.ubuntu.com | 12:00 |
| manchicken | Default port. | 12:02 |
| manchicken | The default settings work. | 12:02 |
| _StefanS_ | ok | 12:02 |
| Jucato | Hobbsee: sorry, just got back | 12:02 |
| Hobbsee | Jucato: feel like helping clean up the wiki? | 12:03 |
| === Hobbsee DIE WIKI PAGES, DIE!!! | ||
| Jucato | eek :) | 12:03 |
| doc__ | uh | 12:04 |
| Hobbsee | breezy pages, and the like | 12:05 |
| Jucato | Hobbsee: I only have a few minutes... and not feeling really well... can I pass? :( | 12:06 |
| Hobbsee | Jucato: sure | 12:06 |
| Hobbsee | hope you feel better soon | 12:06 |
| Jucato | thanks... | 12:07 |
| Jucato | I've been having mild asthma attacks since tuesday... | 12:07 |
| Hobbsee | eek! :( | 12:09 |
| Jucato | (you should see me staring at the computer while puffing with the nebulizer...) | 12:10 |
| manchicken | Hobbsee: But wiki loves you. | 12:11 |
| Hobbsee | manchicken: no it doesnt. | 12:11 |
| Jucato | everyone/thing loves Hobbsee | 12:12 |
| Hobbsee | hehe | 12:12 |
| Hobbsee | there are pages on here that i didnt even know existed.. | 12:14 |
| Jucato | oh the wiki is full of surprises :) | 12:14 |
| Hobbsee | yeah | 12:14 |
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| mhb | hi folks | 02:21 |
| mhb | yuriy: about? | 02:21 |
| Riddell | mhb: will guidance grub config get into gutsy? | 02:23 |
| mhb | hope so | 02:23 |
| Riddell | mhb: could you add a paragraph to https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuGutsyGuidance saying what needs done? | 02:24 |
| mhb | okay | 02:24 |
| mhb | it's likely that it will, because I found out a SoC student is going to code the same thing for Ubuntu | 02:24 |
| Jucato | yay mhb! :) | 02:25 |
| mhb | there was some stuff that needs to be changed in update-grub, but I'm discussing this with that fellow and I want to get the patches early in gutsy | 02:25 |
| gnomefreak | is kde4 going to be released in time for gutsy? | 02:26 |
| mhb | gnomefreak: no, a bit later | 02:26 |
| === gnomefreak thought it was releasing too late | ||
| gnomefreak | ah ok | 02:26 |
| mhb | gnomefreak: there is a KDE4 plan for kubuntu gutsy on the wiki | 02:27 |
| gnomefreak | the one you just posted? | 02:27 |
| Riddell | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuGutsyPlan | 02:27 |
| gnomefreak | ty | 02:27 |
| gnomefreak | cool | 02:28 |
| gnomefreak | oh and if not already known kubuntu-desktop in gutsy has depends issues | 02:29 |
| gnomefreak | if i ever get this package fixed than i can look at it more in depth | 02:30 |
| gnomefreak | this package == a package im working on not kde related | 02:31 |
| mhb | Riddell: yuriy said on the ML that restricted-manager is going to be discussed at uds,is that true? | 02:32 |
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| Riddell | mhb: not sure, I scheduled a session for it ages ago and it's on the timetable for tomorrow but pitti recons there's nothing to talk about since you already have a spec and know what you're doing | 02:34 |
| Riddell | although I would like an excuse to look through the code with pitti so I know what it's all about | 02:34 |
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| mhb | okay, thank you | 02:41 |
| Riddell | kwwii: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-3.80.3.php | 02:41 |
| Riddell | nixternal: packages at http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde4-3.90.1/ if you feel like doing the rest | 02:43 |
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| nixternal | Riddell: rock on! | 03:06 |
| Riddell | nixternal: other modules are here http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/docs/people.html | 03:07 |
| Riddell | my archive so far has only kdelibs and base in it | 03:07 |
| nixternal | OK | 03:07 |
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| bddebian | Heya | 04:01 |
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| raxiv | Kwwii | 04:17 |
| raxiv | when's the website meeting? | 04:17 |
| kwwii | it will be starting once I round everyone up | 04:17 |
| kwwii | in 5 min | 04:18 |
| kwwii | or so | 04:18 |
| raxiv | cool, I'm here as i said in the emails. | 04:18 |
| nixternal | I was wondering why nobody was talking in that room :) | 04:18 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: website bof? | 04:21 |
| Riddell | raxiv: now | 04:21 |
| Riddell | raxiv: are you on voip? | 04:22 |
| kwwii | raxiv: can you hear us? | 04:22 |
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| raxiv | um | 04:22 |
| nixternal | oh well, you can't use the voip | 04:22 |
| nixternal | it keeps failing | 04:22 |
| nixternal | it connects for a few seconds and then drops | 04:22 |
| raxiv | actually I ain't on the meetin. | 04:22 |
| raxiv | personally | 04:22 |
| kwwii | yesterday it worked very well | 04:23 |
| nixternal | OK, I can hear you now | 04:23 |
| raxiv | im just here via internet. | 04:23 |
| nixternal | but it will die out here in a second | 04:23 |
| nixternal | HI | 04:23 |
| nixternal | and there it dropped out right when you said that | 04:23 |
| kwwii | oh well | 04:23 |
| nixternal | hehe | 04:23 |
| nixternal | kwwii: so you need to be the like courtroom person and type everything that is said in there ;) | 04:23 |
| nixternal | the recorder, there you go! | 04:23 |
| kwwii | I might be busier talking | 04:23 |
| nixternal | what, you can walk and chew gum at the same time ;) | 04:24 |
| nixternal | s/can/can't | 04:24 |
| kwwii | ;-) | 04:24 |
| raxiv | what VoIP do You mean anyway sorry for being newb ; ) | 04:24 |
| nixternal | raxiv: they use SIP | 04:24 |
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| nixternal | I am/was using KPhone | 04:25 |
| nixternal | hola willvdl | 04:25 |
| nixternal | you have some work for me? | 04:25 |
| willvdl | woot | 04:25 |
| === nixternal jumps for joy at edubuntu-kde!!! | ||
| Riddell | http://muse.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/web-idea2.png | 04:25 |
| nixternal | you know I will be working that one | 04:25 |
| willvdl | let's not get ahead of ourselves :) | 04:25 |
| raxiv | well then I'll contact You Kwwii afterwards perhaps via e-mail if there would be somework for me. | 04:25 |
| nixternal | Riddell: now that looks like garbage! | 04:26 |
| nixternal | JUST KIDDING! | 04:26 |
| nixternal | that is sweet! | 04:26 |
| kwwii | raxiv: the design is just a mockup so we can certainly work on that together | 04:26 |
| raxiv | evenbetter ; ) | 04:26 |
| nixternal | kwwii: can you add a link to my blog on the right hand side ;) | 04:26 |
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| nixternal | Documentation: We need to convert our TBH into HTML that we can post on k.o as well | 04:27 |
| raxiv | my launchpad account is raikx . | 04:27 |
| nixternal | h.u.c is Ubuntu only now it seems | 04:27 |
| raxiv | just to let You know. | 04:27 |
| kwwii | raxiv: cool | 04:27 |
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| raxiv | great, i'll still be stalkin the irc. Now I don't bother You further.. | 04:28 |
| kwwii | anyone know anything about drupal | 04:28 |
| kwwii | ? | 04:28 |
| kwwii | we need to decide who will take care of implementing this stuff | 04:29 |
| willvdl | nixternal, same here with edubuntu docs | 04:29 |
| nixternal | yup | 04:29 |
| nixternal | kwwii: I know a little drupal from the chibuntu site | 04:29 |
| nixternal | OH, but I am not implementing all of that now :) | 04:29 |
| nixternal | newz2000!!! | 04:30 |
| nixternal | Matthew Nuzum | 04:30 |
| kwwii | hehe | 04:30 |
| nixternal | although I copied the Ubuntu.com theme pretty good => http://chi.ubuntu-us.org | 04:30 |
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| nixternal | hola Jucato | 04:30 |
| Jucato | ola :) | 04:31 |
| n8k99 | hehe Jucato is popular | 04:32 |
| nixternal | ola works as well | 04:32 |
| kwwii | nixternal: nice | 04:32 |
| nixternal | Jucato is da man! | 04:32 |
| nixternal | kwwii: I just suck at artwork, so I need to redo my header a little better there | 04:32 |
| Jucato | I am? no you are :) | 04:32 |
| nixternal | you are nuts! I am a stepchild compared to you! | 04:32 |
| kwwii | ;-) | 04:32 |
| nixternal | you are my hero, nuff said | 04:32 |
| Jucato | lol | 04:32 |
| Jucato | I can't write docs, nuff said :) | 04:33 |
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| nixternal | anyone can write docs, even monkeys | 04:33 |
| nixternal | oooh oooh ahhh ahhh | 04:33 |
| nixternal | see | 04:33 |
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| nixternal | and for some reason, today I can't package | 04:33 |
| nixternal | hahahahaha | 04:33 |
| nixternal | I just ate one | 04:33 |
| willvdl | nixternal, I'll provide 1000 typewriters, you provide 1000 monkeys | 04:33 |
| nixternal | I wonder how many Brookfield zoo has | 04:34 |
| Jucato | you can't package today... I couldn't package if my life depended on it :) | 04:34 |
| Tm_T | I can't write docs, though someone called me a monkey | 04:35 |
| nixternal | Jucato: packaging is typically fairly easy...once you do it enough you understand how to fix broken packages | 04:35 |
| nixternal | I couldn't create a package from scratch though | 04:35 |
| nixternal | but if there is an existing one, oh I got ti | 04:35 |
| Tm_T | nixternal: you mean, fix packages you break? | 04:35 |
| nixternal | except for these kde4 packages that just don't like me | 04:35 |
| nixternal | Tm_T: that too ;) | 04:35 |
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| raxiv | kwwii: there shouldn't be any problems if we will follow some tutorials : p no problems in learnin? ; ) | 04:39 |
| kwwii | ;-) | 04:39 |
| raxiv | we will be porting the ubuntu-style www to kubuntu-way? : ) | 04:39 |
| raxiv | that would be a good idea to standarize the feel of the sites across the ubuntu network. my opinion that is. | 04:41 |
| kwwii | we will use drupal and work on a new design but many of the linked pages will be made much more similar | 04:41 |
| raxiv | i see. A good way as well. | 04:42 |
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| Hobbsee | apachelogger: i did one of your packages, btw | 04:55 |
| nixternal | Hobbsee: do the KDE4 ones :) | 04:55 |
| nixternal | damn pbuilder is complainging about strigi | 04:55 |
| apachelogger | Hobbsee: oh, which one? | 04:55 |
| Hobbsee | kde-tweak | 04:55 |
| apachelogger | got far too many of them :D | 04:55 |
| apachelogger | ah | 04:55 |
| Hobbsee | nixternal: i'll be right | 04:55 |
| apachelogger | nice | 04:55 |
| apachelogger | Hobbsee: thx :) | 04:55 |
| Hobbsee | no problem | 04:55 |
| nixternal | hehe | 04:56 |
| nixternal | heh, Riddell is right, debuild -nc can be your friend :) | 04:58 |
| === apachelogger kindly asks what -nc is supposed to do :) | ||
| nixternal | I am guessing it checks for dependencies, as that is what I am using it for | 04:59 |
| Hobbsee | apachelogger: man debuild :P | 05:00 |
| Hobbsee | i think it's no clean | 05:00 |
| Riddell | nixternal: use a chroot not a pbuilder | 05:00 |
| Riddell | in my opinion | 05:00 |
| === apachelogger kindly asks konqui to man the debuild | ||
| nixternal | hehe | 05:00 |
| Riddell | pbuilder is for testing a package | 05:01 |
| Riddell | debuild is dpkg-buildpackage but checks you have all the build-deps and runs it through fakeroot | 05:04 |
| Riddell | and it's nicer to type | 05:04 |
| nixternal | only problem I have had with chroot is dbus iirc | 05:05 |
| === gnomefreak uses dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -nc to test it :) | ||
| nixternal | don't you just love that after you are in your chroot and you pbuild create, and it poops out at the end because you forgot to cp /etc/hosts and resolv.conf ;) | 05:16 |
| Riddell | hense debuild -nc in a chroot | 05:16 |
| nixternal | grr | 05:18 |
| nixternal | Riddell: smack me when I do stuff like that in the future please | 05:18 |
| nixternal | With me, I started on Ubuntu and switched for a rather silly reason: My main source of help and information, Nixternal, used Kubuntu and it just seemed easier for him to help me on a distro he is more comfortable with. | 05:33 |
| nixternal | that is from a blog of a guy who is doing a top 5 thing for a blog contest :) | 05:33 |
| nixternal | gotta love the pimpage | 05:33 |
| nixternal | how do I get rid of the LANGUAGE warnings in chroot? should I even worry about them? | 05:36 |
| ScottK | nixternal: IME you can get rid of them for a bit and they come back. I just ignore them. | 05:39 |
| nixternal | roger | 05:41 |
| fdoving | nixternal: what language warning? can you give an example? | 05:44 |
| nixternal | make[1] : Entering directory `/kde4/graphics/kde4graphics-3.90.1/obj-i486-linux-gnu' | 05:44 |
| nixternal | make[1] : *** No targets specified and no makefile found. Stop. | 05:44 |
| nixternal | Riddell: ^^ any ideas as to why I am getting this now? | 05:44 |
| nixternal | fdoving: perl warnings about locales | 05:44 |
| nixternal | in chroot | 05:44 |
| fdoving | nixternal: tried to set LANG=C ? | 05:44 |
| fdoving | export LANG=C | 05:45 |
| fdoving | then continue working. | 05:45 |
| nixternal | heh, that works ;) | 05:45 |
| nixternal | thanks | 05:45 |
| Riddell | nixternal: it should be running cmake first | 05:45 |
| nixternal | it is calling /usr/bin/make | 05:46 |
| Riddell | nixternal: but has it done cmake before? | 05:47 |
| Riddell | outputs all the configure checks | 05:47 |
| nixternal | I thought it did | 05:47 |
| fdoving | does kde4 even use obj-arch-linux-gnu directories like that? | 05:47 |
| Riddell | fdoving: whatever you tell it to use | 05:47 |
| fdoving | you build out of source into that directory then? | 05:48 |
| Riddell | fdoving: it's up to cdbs | 05:48 |
| fdoving | must be something with packaging. i don't have such directories when building manually from svn. | 05:49 |
| Riddell | fdoving: it is yes, it's cdbs | 05:51 |
| Riddell | fdoving: but even when building from svn you have a build diretory | 05:51 |
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| fdoving | Riddell: yep, i have. | 05:51 |
| nixternal | make[3] : *** No rule to make target `/usr/lib64/libQtSvg.so', needed by `kuser/kuser'. Stop. | 06:01 |
| nixternal | interesting, seeing as I am building this on x86 | 06:02 |
| Riddell | hmm | 06:04 |
| Riddell | qt breaks during compile if you do i386 chroot on amd64 real | 06:05 |
| Riddell | but that shouldn't happen | 06:05 |
| nixternal | this is a i386 chroot and i386 system | 06:05 |
| Riddell | that's insane | 06:06 |
| nixternal | hehe | 06:06 |
| nixternal | should I switch over to my amd64? | 06:06 |
| Riddell | could do, although i386 is where the demand is | 06:06 |
| nixternal | ya | 06:06 |
| nixternal | the libs files are definitely in /usr/lib/ | 06:07 |
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| nixternal | Riddell: everyone of those builds are looking for some /usr/lib64 | 08:19 |
| nixternal | so I am going to switch over to the 64bit box | 08:19 |
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| lnxkde | sup | 08:31 |
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| ovu_ | hi there | 09:26 |
| ovu_ | I am looking for Stefan Skotte | 09:28 |
| nixternal | Riddell: good news! stuff is building fine on amd64 ;) | 09:32 |
| mhb | ovu_: is that _StefanS_ ? | 09:34 |
| _StefanS_ | ovu_: thats me :D | 09:34 |
| _StefanS_ | so whats up | 09:34 |
| === _StefanS_ smells a bugreport | ||
| ovu_ | hi Stefan...i wrote you some days ago...I am Omar Vera | 09:35 |
| ovu_ | I am just starting to get involved with Kubuntu | 09:35 |
| _StefanS_ | oh :) | 09:36 |
| _StefanS_ | hi there | 09:36 |
| _StefanS_ | welcome :) | 09:36 |
| ovu_ | I am just starting reading and playing with QT4 | 09:37 |
| _StefanS_ | ovu_: probably a good thing since all is moving in that direction.. | 09:37 |
| ovu_ | is there any starting guide to get involved with the development? | 09:37 |
| nixternal | so then I guess I should quit messing with Qt2 ;) | 09:37 |
| _StefanS_ | nixternal: probably ;) | 09:37 |
| nixternal | haha | 09:37 |
| nixternal | there are a couple of development guides located in the KDE documentation (www.kde.org) and there are quite a few excellete Qt4 tutorials on www.trolltech.com as well | 09:38 |
| _StefanS_ | ovu_: well I guess thats kinda sparse, but maybe Riddell can give something to look at with regards to Kubuntu/Qt4 | 09:38 |
| nixternal | s/excellete/excellent/ | 09:38 |
| _StefanS_ | ovu_: I know quite some stuff needs to be ported to Qt4 for busty gibbons or whatever it is called :D | 09:39 |
| nixternal | hahahahahahahaha | 09:39 |
| ovu_ | and where do I find that information? is there any list of what is missing to do? | 09:39 |
| nixternal | roflmao | 09:39 |
| nixternal | Gutsy Gibbon | 09:40 |
| _StefanS_ | har har | 09:40 |
| nixternal | Riddell says gusty gibbon all the time, it is a flatulant little monkey ;) | 09:40 |
| nixternal | probably from all that irn-bru he feeds it | 09:40 |
| _StefanS_ | ovu_: well I know there's not much available online at the moment, but when things settle after UDS (ubuntu developer summit) which ended today, I guess there will be a little more direction | 09:41 |
| ovu_ | jajajaja | 09:41 |
| _StefanS_ | or information | 09:41 |
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| _StefanS_ | ovu_: If you feel like it, go search on https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-team/+packagebugs for bugs that might need some attention. | 09:42 |
| ovu_ | ok, then I think meanwhile I have to continue getting involved with QT4 right? | 09:42 |
| _StefanS_ | ovu_: yes, and should should also try out #kde-devel or #qt for help related to either subject | 09:42 |
| _StefanS_ | ovu_: in #qt there's alot of helpful guys | 09:43 |
| ovu_ | _StefanS_:ok, starting with bug fixing will be great...I think I am just a newbie but I want to start with something | 09:46 |
| _StefanS_ | ovu_: see if something fits your level, and ask | 09:47 |
| _StefanS_ | ovu_: I mean even if its not that Qt related, I might give you other useful insights into linux/kubuntu in general | 09:48 |
| ovu_ | _StefanS_: ok, I will review it...and is there any guide for retrieving the code from the repositoty and building the packages? | 09:48 |
| _StefanS_ | ovu_: well there's probably some guides, mostly debian ones - since the packaging is based entirely on apt | 09:49 |
| _StefanS_ | ovu_: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-sourcehandling.en.html | 09:50 |
| _StefanS_ | ovu_: but I just use the instructions I wrote you. Me and debian diffs dont get along too well, so I always end up bugging Riddell or Tonio_ with regular diff -urN <file1> <file2> diffs | 09:51 |
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| _StefanS_ | ovu_: let me send you the initial instructions that I got from Riddell | 09:53 |
| ovu_ | _StefanS_: that would be helpful | 09:53 |
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| _StefanS_ | ovu_: there you go | 09:56 |
| _StefanS_ | ovu_: but I dont think it will give you all that more information ( the text was shorter than I remember) :) | 09:57 |
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| ovu_ | _StefanS_: I got it...I will take a look, thanks for the info | 10:00 |
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| mhb | dadchicken: showing off our conference cloak, are we? :o) (just kidding) | 10:03 |
| dadchicken | Naw. More showing of my new nick. | 10:03 |
| mhb | dadchicken: so you're not a man anymore... | 10:11 |
| dadchicken | Nice. | 10:11 |
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| === nixternal thinks we will have all of the kde4 alpha builds done for amd64 tonight! | ||
| === fdoving got the new kde3 safely-remove dialog working. | ||
| yuriy | kde4 alpha? sweet | 10:24 |
| yuriy | don't see anything on kde.org | 10:24 |
| nixternal | cuz it isn't ready :) | 10:24 |
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| nixternal | CONGRATS TO MANCHICKEN! Future Daddy of the Year! | 10:32 |
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| dadchicken | Bet yer ass | 10:46 |
| fdoving | anyone up for testing some removable media safely remove magic? | 10:47 |
| ScottK | FEDEX me a memory stick and I'll be glad to. I lost mine... | 10:47 |
| fdoving | i had to "fish" mine out of an old casette player earlier today. kid "borrowed" it the other day :) | 10:49 |
| fdoving | Riddell: around? | 10:52 |
| _StefanS_ | dadchicken: any progress on that adept thing ? I had to run to service my car | 10:55 |
| yuriy | oh yeah, is there a spec being written up with adept plans? | 11:06 |
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