=== Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel === _czessi [n=Czessi@dslb-088-073-061-149.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === acidBURN [n=rn@cpe-72-184-186-170.tampabay.res.rr.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:43] how does one find out what drivers, are being used for the wireless pcmcia card? === Jucato [n=jucato@210.5.112.137] has joined #kubuntu-devel === n8k99 [n=nathan@dsl254-078-190.nyc1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:01] lcpci [01:01] lspci rather [01:04] tks [01:05] not seeing the driver listed [01:06] Ethernet controller: Atheros Communications, Inc. AR5212 802.11abg NIC (rev 01) [01:06] Subsystem: Netgear Unknown device 5d00 [01:07] thought it might me madwifi [01:07] but its not showing it [01:16] that NIC is madwifi-supproted [01:16] iwconfig should show an ath0 [01:17] if not, check that restricted modules are correctly installed, etc [01:17] lsmod | grep ath [01:17] k checking [01:17] should show ath_pci, ath_hal, etc [01:17] the AR5212 has one of the most solid wifi drivers available to open source [01:17] umm it shows a ath1 [01:18] yeah, that works too [01:18] and for wifi it shows nothing [01:19] iwlist ath1 scan [01:19] that should list all the AP's currently available [01:19] may need a sudo to get it to show updated info [01:19] k grep found something.. [01:20] yeah if you have an ath1, the card is being properly detected [01:20] if you're using Ubuntu Feisty, KNetworkManager should be able to automatically use that card via its GUI === TheInfinity [n=TheInfin@p508F38FC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:21] madwifi drivers have been heavenly in my epxerience [01:21] well the reason behind this, is to find out the madwifi driver being used [01:21] ah, ok [01:21] this is what I did [01:21] grepping lsmod for ath will tell you if madwifi is being used [01:21] ath_hal, ath_pci, etc are all madwifi's work [01:22] I believe dmesg | grep madwifi might show the actual madwifi name [01:22] maybe ;-) [01:22] but the only Linux drivers for Atheros cards is the madwifi driver [01:22] nope [01:22] wanted to find out what version [01:22] of madwifi driver [01:22] is it current [01:23] modinfo /lib/modules/`uname -r`/madwifi/ath_pci.ko [01:23] the second or 3rd line is the version [01:23] it is reasonably current [01:23] checking [01:24] major thanks.. [01:24] np [01:24] its the current version [01:24] now the fun being.. [01:24] yeah, usually the kernel devs keep the driver at the latest version until the version of Ubuntu releases [01:25] at that time it is frozen -- it's not wise to update system components after release :) [01:25] was using the wg511t card and updated to the wpn511 which has rangemax. [01:25] the funny thing, is the wg511t was showing a better level in strength and speed [01:26] ? how can this be, since the wpn511 supposed to be a faster card 10x [01:26] odd [01:26] well... the level really doesn't mean too much IMO [01:26] the best speed test is downloading a large file from a local LAN host [01:27] the connection rate has little to do with actual transfer speed [01:27] hmm, I did upgrade to netgear rangemax wireless router... [01:27] apparently "iwpriv ath0 mode 3;iwpriv ath0 turbo 1" turns on 108G mode [01:27] of course, yours is ath1 [01:27] dump my linksys [01:28] 108G is just G multiplexed with an A channel [01:28] on the wg511t its ath0 [01:28] on the wpn511 its ath1 [01:28] yes, beause ath0 is reserved for your old card [01:28] /etc/iftab will show that [01:28] edit it with the MAC address of your new card ifyou want it to become ath0 [01:29] but the speed is not as good as the slower card [01:29] the rangeboosting stuff is all a gimmick [01:29] acidBURN: how did you test the speed? [01:29] so, that is why I was asking maybe a driver issue [01:29] everything from weather to your neighbor's microwave will affect 2.4GHz transmissions [01:29] go to a web site, and download a 50 meg file [01:30] your web is fast enough to test your wifi? [01:30] ? [01:30] have a 15mb connection [01:30] ah, ok [01:31] that can probably push 2MB/s, which is nearing the limits of wifi in all practicality [01:31] what kind of limits are you hitting? [01:31] but it is not a driver related thing.... except that command to enable Turbo mode [01:31] you can give that a shot, but Turbo mode is pointless if you are out of range of 5.8GHz transmissions [01:32] i.e. if there are any walls between you and your router [01:32] got about 1.1 MB/s wireless [01:32] how far away from the router were you? [01:32] 6 feet [01:32] lol [01:33] yeah, that's definitely no turbo mode :D [01:33] good or bad [01:33] it's not terrible at all [01:33] where were you downloading from? [01:33] even know the signal strength is only 60 [01:33] most of the places I download from can only give me 2.0MB/s wired. [01:34] on a good day too [01:34] don't use the signal strength numbers -- they don't mean much [01:34] test.tampabay.rr.com [01:34] save as [01:34] 50mb [01:34] wired I tested at 1.8MB/s [01:35] that kind of difference can easily be caused by wifi latency reducing efficiency of TCP/IP [01:35] ? how does one fix that [01:35] you don't... it's a fact of wifi [01:35] the only thing that can help you are iether trying new channels [01:36] >sick< [01:36] how [01:36] or seeing if you can turn on "turbo" mode [01:36] ? [01:36] on the card [01:36] channels are in your router's config [01:36] or router [01:36] 1, 6, and 11 are the only 3 you need to try [01:36] the netgear box [01:36] the others are all really close to those, so not worth the time [01:36] ok [01:36] yes, on the web admin interface of your netgear box [01:37] and turbo mode is explained in the atheros wiki at madwifi.org [01:37] I have never owned a turbo mode card personally, so I can't help you much with that [01:37] you can try the Atheros IRC channels, etc if the wiki doesn't explain it well [01:37] but you if you have another computer in your LAn, you should try using LAN->LAN transfers to gauge speed [01:38] just as a reference, with my Intel 3945ABG built in wifi card, I rarely see wifi get faster than 1.5MB/s [01:38] then the pcmcia card will change channels to match the router and jump into turbo mode? === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:38] even though plugging in to the exact same drop the AP is plugged into gives me 9.2MB/s via my TG3 wired card [01:40] q. if I change channels, will the other computer using a links wet11 be able to still connect to the netgear router? [01:41] yeah [01:41] they will momentarily lose their connection, but quicklyl rescan and find the new channel [01:41] cool [01:42] okay, I will read up on turbo mode, and check with switching channels for better downloads... TKS [01:43] http://www.smallnetbuilder.com/images_old/Reviews/images/scrnshots/dgl_4300/wireless_throughput_compare_dn.png [01:43] here is a nice review of an expensive gaming 108G Atheros Turbo G router [01:43] the best run showed 20MBit [01:44] which is nothing to write home about.... [01:44] IMO these A+G multiplexing techniques are just a bunch of gimmicks [01:44] they'll need something like freq hopping spread spectrum, MIMO, or a new band before they can make a true breakthrough in wifi speed [01:45] then again, I'm not a wifi market analyst by any means. take my words as some random kid in IRC ranting ;-) === jdong_ [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jdong_ is now known as jdong === Sleepy_Coder [n=sucky_ke@adsl-69-225-11-254.dsl.skt2ca.pacbell.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #kubuntu-devel === bddebian [n=bdefrees@c-71-224-172-103.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === aplg [n=me@amarok/rokymotion/apachelogger] has joined #kubuntu-devel === stdin [i=stdin@unaffiliated/binary2k2] has joined #kubuntu-devel === stdin [i=stdin@unaffiliated/binary2k2] has joined #kubuntu-devel === claydoh [n=claydoh@66-252-57-218.dyn-adsl.midmaine.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === acidBURN [n=rn@cpe-72-184-186-170.tampabay.res.rr.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === superstoned [n=supersto@86.92.111.236] has joined #kubuntu-devel === marseillai [n=mars@AMarseille-156-1-40-190.w90-27.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #kubuntu-devel === _marseillais [n=marseill@195.200.176.77] has joined #kubuntu-devel === _StefanS_ [n=sfs@cpe.atm2-0-90156.0x5734b54a.naenxx14.customer.tele.dk] has joined #kubuntu-devel === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #kubuntu-devel === hunger [n=tobias@pd95b0676.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [i=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel === manchicken [i=manchkn@conference/ubuntu-developer-summit/x-ca5dba00909f16f1] has joined #kubuntu-devel === TheInfinity [n=TheInfin@p508F3BAD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === kwwii [i=kwwii@conference/ubuntu-developer-summit/x-a3a146927cc9cd31] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jack_wyt [n=jack@61.149.2.180] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #kubuntu-devel === doc__ [n=doc@15.Red-80-37-209.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:17] hi there [10:19] hiya === serzholino [n=serzh@fw.zaporizhstal.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === allee [i=ach@conference/ubuntu-developer-summit/x-7809b893888d91bd] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jpetso [n=jpetso@193.170.48.226] has joined #kubuntu-devel === tmske [n=thomas@d54C0D4A5.access.telenet.be] has joined #kubuntu-devel === tmske [n=thomas@d54C0D4A5.access.telenet.be] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:03] <_StefanS_> nice, just got the new linux format === ded_ [n=ded@lor34-1-82-240-239-109.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:09] <_StefanS_> manchicken: so have you started the workshop for adept ? [11:09] <_StefanS_> manchicken: I was kinda curious about it.. [11:09] Yeah [11:09] Dial in [11:09] <_StefanS_> manchicken: I'm there. [11:09] <_StefanS_> manchicken: unfortunately without a mic [11:09] <_StefanS_> manchicken: but I will listen in [11:10] (wow) [11:10] What? [11:11] adept workshop :) [11:11] :) === tmske [n=thomas@d54C0D4A5.access.telenet.be] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:16] <_StefanS_> manchicken: when adding a new repository, wouldn't it be best to separate the fields like the listview ? [11:24] Hold up, I'm trying to figure out how to get software-properties working [11:25] have fun :) [11:25] <_StefanS_> manchicken: ok :) [11:31] <_StefanS_> manchicken: so you're looking at adept_installer now ? [11:31] I believe so. [11:31] <_StefanS_> uhm ok [11:31] Software-properties and such. [11:31] <_StefanS_> would be nice with a webcam :) [11:31] Yeah. [11:31] <_StefanS_> seeing what you were doing [11:31] We're moving about quite a bit. [11:31] <_StefanS_> right === kwwii [i=kwwii@conference/ubuntu-developer-summit/x-cf714de3b694c27c] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:36] <_StefanS_> hey kwwii [11:36] howdy _StefanS_ === GNUro [n=GNUro@unaffiliated/gnuro] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:41] Hello, i'm trying to compile kdesdk from kde svn trunk. But it doesn't compile because cmake tell me "Looking for ltdl.h - not found" [11:42] but dpkg -S ltdl.h doesn't return any packages... [11:42] ideas? [11:42] dpkg -S will only scan installed files afaik === tmske [n=thomas@d54C0D4A5.access.telenet.be] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:43] GNUro: http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?word=ltdl.h&searchmode=searchfiles&case=insensitive&version=feisty&arch=i386 [11:43] ain't sure which of those is the correct one [11:44] Jucato: thnx! [11:51] nixternal: do you still want https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu/Screenshots/Dapper ? [11:51] Jucato: what are you doing at the moment? [11:52] _StefanS_: Are you on Gobby? [11:52] <_StefanS_> manchicken: gobby + [11:52] <_StefanS_> manchicken: + [11:53] <_StefanS_> manchicken: I have a vm with gutsy if thats what you mean ? [11:53] No, I mean Gobby, the collaborative editor. [11:53] <_StefanS_> manchicken: nope [11:54] That's where we're taking notes. [11:54] <_StefanS_> how do I see it ? [11:55] <_StefanS_> I got it installed now [11:55] <_StefanS_> got the information on host, port ? [12:00] Just go to gobby.ubuntu.com [12:02] Default port. [12:02] The default settings work. [12:02] <_StefanS_> ok [12:02] Hobbsee: sorry, just got back [12:03] Jucato: feel like helping clean up the wiki? === Hobbsee DIE WIKI PAGES, DIE!!! [12:03] eek :) [12:04] uh [12:05] breezy pages, and the like [12:06] Hobbsee: I only have a few minutes... and not feeling really well... can I pass? :( [12:06] Jucato: sure [12:06] hope you feel better soon [12:07] thanks... [12:07] I've been having mild asthma attacks since tuesday... [12:09] eek! :( [12:10] (you should see me staring at the computer while puffing with the nebulizer...) [12:11] Hobbsee: But wiki loves you. [12:11] manchicken: no it doesnt. [12:12] everyone/thing loves Hobbsee [12:12] hehe [12:14] there are pages on here that i didnt even know existed.. [12:14] oh the wiki is full of surprises :) [12:14] yeah === tmske [n=thomas@d54C0D4A5.access.telenet.be] has joined #kubuntu-devel === TheInfinity [n=TheInfin@WL-POOL00-51.UNI-MUENSTER.DE] has joined #kubuntu-devel === tmske [n=thomas@d54C0D4A5.access.telenet.be] has joined #kubuntu-devel === \sh_away is now known as \sh === kwwii [i=kwwii@conference/ubuntu-developer-summit/x-8546b6cf01878973] has joined #kubuntu-devel === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #kubuntu-devel === marseillai_ [n=mars@AMarseille-156-1-52-84.w90-28.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #kubuntu-devel === apacheLAGger [n=me@N793P003.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Arby [n=richard@shiny.york.ac.uk] has joined #kubuntu-devel === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Czessi [n=Czessi@dslb-088-073-061-149.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Knightlust [n=DaxSolom@203.87.200.214] has joined #kubuntu-devel === neversfelde [n=neversfe@nrbg-4db44434.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Huahua [n=hua@116.21.93.0] has joined #kubuntu-devel === eeos [n=eeos@86.53.50.16] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #kubuntu-devel === allee [i=ach@conference/ubuntu-developer-summit/x-645f5a48405c7d2e] has joined #kubuntu-devel === manchicken [i=manchkn@conference/ubuntu-developer-summit/x-ccdc150baf3db38b] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [i=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel === rouzic [n=rouzic@212.145.63.25] has joined #kubuntu-devel === TheInfinity [n=TheInfin@WL-POOL00-51.UNI-MUENSTER.DE] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:21] hi folks [02:21] yuriy: about? [02:23] mhb: will guidance grub config get into gutsy? [02:23] hope so [02:24] mhb: could you add a paragraph to https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuGutsyGuidance saying what needs done? [02:24] okay [02:24] it's likely that it will, because I found out a SoC student is going to code the same thing for Ubuntu [02:25] yay mhb! :) [02:25] there was some stuff that needs to be changed in update-grub, but I'm discussing this with that fellow and I want to get the patches early in gutsy [02:26] is kde4 going to be released in time for gutsy? [02:26] gnomefreak: no, a bit later === gnomefreak thought it was releasing too late [02:26] ah ok [02:27] gnomefreak: there is a KDE4 plan for kubuntu gutsy on the wiki [02:27] the one you just posted? [02:27] https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuGutsyPlan [02:27] ty [02:28] cool [02:29] oh and if not already known kubuntu-desktop in gutsy has depends issues [02:30] if i ever get this package fixed than i can look at it more in depth [02:31] this package == a package im working on not kde related [02:32] Riddell: yuriy said on the ML that restricted-manager is going to be discussed at uds,is that true? === superstoned [n=supersto@86.92.111.236] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:34] mhb: not sure, I scheduled a session for it ages ago and it's on the timetable for tomorrow but pitti recons there's nothing to talk about since you already have a spec and know what you're doing [02:34] although I would like an excuse to look through the code with pitti so I know what it's all about === kwwii [i=kwwii@conference/ubuntu-developer-summit/x-d147ea563ec8015f] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:41] okay, thank you [02:41] kwwii: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-3.80.3.php [02:43] nixternal: packages at http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde4-3.90.1/ if you feel like doing the rest === n8k99 [n=nathan@dsl254-078-190.nyc1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === \sh is now known as \sh_away === \sh_away is now known as \sh === RadiantFire [n=ryan@ip68-230-209-186.rd.hr.cox.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:06] Riddell: rock on! [03:07] nixternal: other modules are here http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/docs/people.html [03:07] my archive so far has only kdelibs and base in it [03:07] OK === mbiebl [n=michael@e180066063.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === kwwii [i=kwwii@conference/ubuntu-developer-summit/x-60dd7dc607208548] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Lathiat [n=lathiat@ubuntu/member/pdpc.basic.lathiat] has left #kubuntu-devel [] === bddebian [n=bdefrees@63.81.56.182] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:01] Heya === raxiv [i=raxiv@82.139.47.149] has joined #kubuntu-devel === doc__ [n=doc@15.Red-80-37-209.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === kwwii [i=kwwii@conference/ubuntu-developer-summit/x-d9d256d0473f4281] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:17] Kwwii [04:17] when's the website meeting? [04:17] it will be starting once I round everyone up [04:18] in 5 min [04:18] or so [04:18] cool, I'm here as i said in the emails. [04:18] I was wondering why nobody was talking in that room :) [04:21] Hobbsee: website bof? [04:21] raxiv: now [04:22] raxiv: are you on voip? [04:22] raxiv: can you hear us? === Arby [n=richard@shiny.york.ac.uk] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:22] um [04:22] oh well, you can't use the voip [04:22] it keeps failing [04:22] it connects for a few seconds and then drops [04:22] actually I ain't on the meetin. [04:22] personally [04:23] yesterday it worked very well [04:23] OK, I can hear you now [04:23] im just here via internet. [04:23] but it will die out here in a second [04:23] HI [04:23] and there it dropped out right when you said that [04:23] oh well [04:23] hehe [04:23] kwwii: so you need to be the like courtroom person and type everything that is said in there ;) [04:23] the recorder, there you go! [04:23] I might be busier talking [04:24] what, you can walk and chew gum at the same time ;) [04:24] s/can/can't [04:24] ;-) [04:24] what VoIP do You mean anyway sorry for being newb ; ) [04:24] raxiv: they use SIP === willvdl [i=will@conference/ubuntu-developer-summit/x-c51a948182bb4eaa] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:25] I am/was using KPhone [04:25] hola willvdl [04:25] you have some work for me? [04:25] woot === nixternal jumps for joy at edubuntu-kde!!! [04:25] http://muse.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/web-idea2.png [04:25] you know I will be working that one [04:25] let's not get ahead of ourselves :) [04:25] well then I'll contact You Kwwii afterwards perhaps via e-mail if there would be somework for me. [04:26] Riddell: now that looks like garbage! [04:26] JUST KIDDING! [04:26] that is sweet! [04:26] raxiv: the design is just a mockup so we can certainly work on that together [04:26] evenbetter ; ) [04:26] kwwii: can you add a link to my blog on the right hand side ;) === meduxa [n=agustin@84.Red-217-127-164.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:27] Documentation: We need to convert our TBH into HTML that we can post on k.o as well [04:27] my launchpad account is raikx . [04:27] h.u.c is Ubuntu only now it seems [04:27] just to let You know. [04:27] raxiv: cool === doc__ [n=doc@15.Red-80-37-209.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === bddebian2 [n=bdefrees@63.81.56.182] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:28] great, i'll still be stalkin the irc. Now I don't bother You further.. [04:28] anyone know anything about drupal [04:28] ? [04:29] we need to decide who will take care of implementing this stuff [04:29] nixternal, same here with edubuntu docs [04:29] yup [04:29] kwwii: I know a little drupal from the chibuntu site [04:29] OH, but I am not implementing all of that now :) [04:30] newz2000!!! [04:30] Matthew Nuzum [04:30] hehe [04:30] although I copied the Ubuntu.com theme pretty good => http://chi.ubuntu-us.org === Jucato [n=jucato@ubuntu/member/Jucato] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:30] hola Jucato [04:31] ola :) [04:32] hehe Jucato is popular [04:32] ola works as well [04:32] nixternal: nice [04:32] Jucato is da man! [04:32] kwwii: I just suck at artwork, so I need to redo my header a little better there [04:32] I am? no you are :) [04:32] you are nuts! I am a stepchild compared to you! [04:32] ;-) [04:32] you are my hero, nuff said [04:32] lol [04:33] I can't write docs, nuff said :) === eeos [n=eeos@86.53.50.16] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Konversation] [04:33] anyone can write docs, even monkeys [04:33] oooh oooh ahhh ahhh [04:33] see === doc__ [n=doc@15.Red-80-37-209.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Jucato is eating a banana, can't comment [04:33] and for some reason, today I can't package [04:33] hahahahaha [04:33] I just ate one [04:33] nixternal, I'll provide 1000 typewriters, you provide 1000 monkeys [04:34] I wonder how many Brookfield zoo has [04:34] you can't package today... I couldn't package if my life depended on it :) [04:35] I can't write docs, though someone called me a monkey [04:35] Jucato: packaging is typically fairly easy...once you do it enough you understand how to fix broken packages [04:35] I couldn't create a package from scratch though [04:35] but if there is an existing one, oh I got ti [04:35] nixternal: you mean, fix packages you break? [04:35] except for these kde4 packages that just don't like me [04:35] Tm_T: that too ;) === froud [n=sean@dsl-242-143-204.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:39] kwwii: there shouldn't be any problems if we will follow some tutorials : p no problems in learnin? ; ) [04:39] ;-) [04:39] we will be porting the ubuntu-style www to kubuntu-way? : ) [04:41] that would be a good idea to standarize the feel of the sites across the ubuntu network. my opinion that is. [04:41] we will use drupal and work on a new design but many of the linked pages will be made much more similar [04:42] i see. A good way as well. === doc__ [n=doc@15.Red-80-37-209.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === manchicken_ [i=manchkn@conference/ubuntu-developer-summit/x-c590c8bc7f5c504d] has joined #kubuntu-devel === \sh is now known as \sh_away === apacheLAGger is now known as apachelogger [04:55] apachelogger: i did one of your packages, btw [04:55] Hobbsee: do the KDE4 ones :) [04:55] damn pbuilder is complainging about strigi [04:55] Hobbsee: oh, which one? [04:55] kde-tweak [04:55] got far too many of them :D [04:55] ah [04:55] nixternal: i'll be right [04:55] nice [04:55] Hobbsee: thx :) [04:55] no problem [04:56] hehe [04:58] heh, Riddell is right, debuild -nc can be your friend :) === apachelogger kindly asks what -nc is supposed to do :) [04:59] I am guessing it checks for dependencies, as that is what I am using it for [05:00] apachelogger: man debuild :P [05:00] i think it's no clean [05:00] nixternal: use a chroot not a pbuilder [05:00] in my opinion === apachelogger kindly asks konqui to man the debuild [05:00] hehe [05:01] pbuilder is for testing a package [05:04] debuild is dpkg-buildpackage but checks you have all the build-deps and runs it through fakeroot [05:04] and it's nicer to type [05:05] only problem I have had with chroot is dbus iirc === gnomefreak uses dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -nc to test it :) [05:16] don't you just love that after you are in your chroot and you pbuild create, and it poops out at the end because you forgot to cp /etc/hosts and resolv.conf ;) [05:16] hense debuild -nc in a chroot [05:18] grr [05:18] Riddell: smack me when I do stuff like that in the future please [05:33] With me, I started on Ubuntu and switched for a rather silly reason: My main source of help and information, Nixternal, used Kubuntu and it just seemed easier for him to help me on a distro he is more comfortable with. [05:33] that is from a blog of a guy who is doing a top 5 thing for a blog contest :) [05:33] gotta love the pimpage [05:36] how do I get rid of the LANGUAGE warnings in chroot? should I even worry about them? [05:39] nixternal: IME you can get rid of them for a bit and they come back. I just ignore them. [05:41] roger [05:44] nixternal: what language warning? can you give an example? [05:44] make[1] : Entering directory `/kde4/graphics/kde4graphics-3.90.1/obj-i486-linux-gnu' [05:44] make[1] : *** No targets specified and no makefile found. Stop. [05:44] Riddell: ^^ any ideas as to why I am getting this now? [05:44] fdoving: perl warnings about locales [05:44] in chroot [05:44] nixternal: tried to set LANG=C ? [05:45] export LANG=C [05:45] then continue working. [05:45] heh, that works ;) [05:45] thanks [05:45] nixternal: it should be running cmake first [05:46] it is calling /usr/bin/make [05:47] nixternal: but has it done cmake before? [05:47] outputs all the configure checks [05:47] I thought it did [05:47] does kde4 even use obj-arch-linux-gnu directories like that? [05:47] fdoving: whatever you tell it to use [05:48] you build out of source into that directory then? [05:48] fdoving: it's up to cdbs [05:49] must be something with packaging. i don't have such directories when building manually from svn. [05:51] fdoving: it is yes, it's cdbs [05:51] fdoving: but even when building from svn you have a build diretory === toma [n=toma@84-53-90-221.wxdsl.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:51] Riddell: yep, i have. [06:01] make[3] : *** No rule to make target `/usr/lib64/libQtSvg.so', needed by `kuser/kuser'. Stop. [06:02] interesting, seeing as I am building this on x86 [06:04] hmm [06:05] qt breaks during compile if you do i386 chroot on amd64 real [06:05] but that shouldn't happen [06:05] this is a i386 chroot and i386 system [06:06] that's insane [06:06] hehe [06:06] should I switch over to my amd64? [06:06] could do, although i386 is where the demand is [06:06] ya [06:07] the libs files are definitely in /usr/lib/ === doelman [n=doelman@h8441166215.dsl.speedlinq.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel === neversfelde [n=neversfe@nrbg-4db44434.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === marseillai_ [n=mars@AMarseille-156-1-52-84.w90-28.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #kubuntu-devel === neversfelde [n=neversfe@nrbg-4db44434.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === TheInfinity [n=TheInfin@p508F3BAD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === \sh_away is now known as \sh === nixternal [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/nixternal] has joined #kubuntu-devel === _StefanS_ [n=sfs@cpe.atm2-0-90156.0x5734b54a.naenxx14.customer.tele.dk] has joined #kubuntu-devel === n8k99 [n=nathan@dsl254-078-190.nyc1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:19] Riddell: everyone of those builds are looking for some /usr/lib64 [08:19] so I am going to switch over to the 64bit box === \sh is now known as \sh_away === \sh_away is now known as \sh === lnxkde [n=lnxkde@adsl-72-50-53-198.prtc.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:31] sup === rouzic [n=rouzic@212.145.63.25] has joined #kubuntu-devel === apacheLAGger [n=me@N749P013.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #kubuntu-devel === kyou^raxiv [i=raxiv@82.139.47.149] has joined #kubuntu-devel === ovu_ [n=ovu@200.87.166.59] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:26] hi there [09:28] I am looking for Stefan Skotte [09:32] Riddell: good news! stuff is building fine on amd64 ;) [09:34] ovu_: is that _StefanS_ ? [09:34] <_StefanS_> ovu_: thats me :D [09:34] <_StefanS_> so whats up === _StefanS_ smells a bugreport [09:35] hi Stefan...i wrote you some days ago...I am Omar Vera [09:35] I am just starting to get involved with Kubuntu [09:36] <_StefanS_> oh :) [09:36] <_StefanS_> hi there [09:36] <_StefanS_> welcome :) [09:37] I am just starting reading and playing with QT4 [09:37] <_StefanS_> ovu_: probably a good thing since all is moving in that direction.. [09:37] is there any starting guide to get involved with the development? [09:37] so then I guess I should quit messing with Qt2 ;) [09:37] <_StefanS_> nixternal: probably ;) [09:37] haha [09:38] there are a couple of development guides located in the KDE documentation (www.kde.org) and there are quite a few excellete Qt4 tutorials on www.trolltech.com as well [09:38] <_StefanS_> ovu_: well I guess thats kinda sparse, but maybe Riddell can give something to look at with regards to Kubuntu/Qt4 [09:38] s/excellete/excellent/ [09:39] <_StefanS_> ovu_: I know quite some stuff needs to be ported to Qt4 for busty gibbons or whatever it is called :D [09:39] hahahahahahahaha [09:39] and where do I find that information? is there any list of what is missing to do? [09:39] roflmao [09:40] Gutsy Gibbon [09:40] <_StefanS_> har har [09:40] Riddell says gusty gibbon all the time, it is a flatulant little monkey ;) [09:40] probably from all that irn-bru he feeds it [09:41] <_StefanS_> ovu_: well I know there's not much available online at the moment, but when things settle after UDS (ubuntu developer summit) which ended today, I guess there will be a little more direction [09:41]