[12:43] <acidBURN> how does one find out what drivers, are being used for the wireless pcmcia card?
[01:01] <nixternal> lcpci
[01:01] <nixternal> lspci rather
[01:04] <acidBURN> tks
[01:05] <acidBURN> not seeing the driver listed
[01:06] <acidBURN> Ethernet controller: Atheros Communications, Inc. AR5212 802.11abg NIC (rev 01)
[01:06] <acidBURN>         Subsystem: Netgear Unknown device 5d00
[01:07] <acidBURN> thought it might me madwifi
[01:07] <acidBURN> but its not showing it
[01:16] <jdong> that NIC is madwifi-supproted
[01:16] <jdong> iwconfig should show an ath0
[01:17] <jdong> if not, check that restricted modules are correctly installed, etc
[01:17] <jdong> lsmod | grep ath
[01:17] <acidBURN> k checking
[01:17] <jdong> should show ath_pci, ath_hal, etc
[01:17] <jdong> the AR5212 has one of the most solid wifi drivers available to open source
[01:17] <acidBURN> umm it shows a ath1
[01:18] <jdong> yeah, that works too
[01:18] <acidBURN> and for wifi it shows nothing
[01:19] <jdong> iwlist ath1 scan
[01:19] <jdong> that should list all the AP's currently available
[01:19] <jdong> may need a sudo to get it to show updated info
[01:19] <acidBURN> k grep found something..
[01:20] <jdong> yeah if you have an ath1, the card is being properly detected
[01:20] <jdong> if you're using Ubuntu Feisty, KNetworkManager should be able to automatically use that card via its GUI
[01:21] <jdong> madwifi drivers have been heavenly in my epxerience
[01:21] <acidBURN> well the reason behind this, is to find out the madwifi driver being used
[01:21] <jdong> ah, ok
[01:21] <acidBURN> this is what I did
[01:21] <jdong> grepping lsmod for ath will tell you if madwifi is being used
[01:21] <jdong> ath_hal, ath_pci, etc are all madwifi's work
[01:22] <jdong> I believe dmesg | grep madwifi might show the actual madwifi name
[01:22] <jdong> maybe ;-)
[01:22] <jdong> but the only Linux drivers for Atheros cards is the madwifi driver
[01:22] <acidBURN> nope
[01:22] <acidBURN> wanted to find out what version
[01:22] <acidBURN> of madwifi driver
[01:22] <acidBURN> is it current
[01:23] <jdong> modinfo /lib/modules/`uname -r`/madwifi/ath_pci.ko
[01:23] <jdong> the second or 3rd line is the version
[01:23] <jdong> it is reasonably current
[01:23] <acidBURN> checking
[01:24] <acidBURN> major thanks..
[01:24] <jdong> np
[01:24] <acidBURN> its the current version
[01:24] <acidBURN> now the fun being..
[01:24] <jdong> yeah, usually the kernel devs keep the driver at the latest version until the version of Ubuntu releases
[01:25] <jdong> at that time it is frozen -- it's not wise to update system components after release :)
[01:25] <acidBURN> was using the wg511t card and updated to the wpn511 which has rangemax.
[01:25] <acidBURN> the funny thing, is the wg511t was showing a better level in strength and speed
[01:26] <acidBURN> ? how can this be, since the wpn511 supposed to be a faster card 10x
[01:26] <acidBURN> odd
[01:26] <jdong> well... the level really doesn't mean too much IMO
[01:26] <jdong> the best speed test is downloading a large file from a local LAN host
[01:27] <jdong> the connection rate has little to do with actual transfer speed
[01:27] <acidBURN> hmm, I did upgrade to netgear rangemax wireless router...
[01:27] <jdong> apparently "iwpriv ath0 mode 3;iwpriv ath0 turbo 1" turns on 108G mode
[01:27] <jdong> of course, yours is ath1
[01:27] <acidBURN> dump my linksys
[01:28] <jdong> 108G is just G multiplexed with an A channel
[01:28] <acidBURN> on the wg511t its ath0
[01:28] <acidBURN> on the wpn511 its ath1
[01:28] <jdong> yes, beause ath0 is reserved for your old card
[01:28] <jdong>  /etc/iftab will show that
[01:28] <jdong> edit it with the MAC address of your new card ifyou want it to become ath0
[01:29] <acidBURN> but the speed is not as good as the slower card
[01:29] <jdong> the rangeboosting stuff is all a gimmick
[01:29] <jdong> acidBURN: how did you test the speed?
[01:29] <acidBURN> so, that is why I was asking maybe a driver issue
[01:29] <jdong> everything from weather to your neighbor's microwave will affect 2.4GHz transmissions
[01:29] <acidBURN> go to a web site, and download a 50 meg file
[01:30] <jdong> your web is fast enough to test your wifi?
[01:30] <acidBURN> ?
[01:30] <acidBURN> have a 15mb connection
[01:30] <jdong> ah, ok
[01:31] <jdong> that can probably push 2MB/s, which is nearing the limits of wifi in all practicality
[01:31] <jdong> what kind of limits are you hitting?
[01:31] <jdong> but it is not a driver related thing.... except that command to enable Turbo mode
[01:31] <jdong> you can give that a shot, but Turbo mode is pointless if you are out of range of 5.8GHz transmissions
[01:32] <jdong> i.e. if there are any walls between you and your router
[01:32] <acidBURN> got about 1.1 MB/s wireless
[01:32] <jdong> how far away from the router were you?
[01:32] <acidBURN> 6 feet
[01:32] <jdong> lol
[01:33] <jdong> yeah, that's definitely no turbo mode :D
[01:33] <acidBURN> good or bad
[01:33] <jdong> it's not terrible at all
[01:33] <jdong> where were you downloading from?
[01:33] <acidBURN> even know the signal strength is only 60
[01:33] <jdong> most of the places I download from can only give me 2.0MB/s wired.
[01:34] <jdong> on a good day too
[01:34] <jdong> don't use the signal strength numbers -- they don't mean much
[01:34] <acidBURN> test.tampabay.rr.com
[01:34] <acidBURN> save as
[01:34] <acidBURN> 50mb
[01:34] <acidBURN> wired I tested at 1.8MB/s
[01:35] <jdong> that kind of difference can easily be caused by wifi latency reducing efficiency of TCP/IP
[01:35] <acidBURN> ? how does one fix that
[01:35] <jdong> you don't... it's a fact of wifi
[01:35] <jdong> the only thing that can help you are iether trying new channels
[01:36] <acidBURN> >sick<
[01:36] <acidBURN> how
[01:36] <jdong> or seeing if you can turn on "turbo" mode
[01:36] <acidBURN> ?
[01:36] <acidBURN> on the card
[01:36] <jdong> channels are in your router's config
[01:36] <acidBURN> or router
[01:36] <jdong> 1, 6, and 11 are the only 3 you need to try
[01:36] <acidBURN> the netgear box
[01:36] <jdong>  the others are all really close to those, so not worth the time
[01:36] <acidBURN> ok
[01:36] <jdong> yes, on the web admin interface of your netgear box
[01:37] <jdong> and turbo mode is explained in the atheros wiki at madwifi.org
[01:37] <jdong> I have never owned a turbo mode card personally, so I can't help you much with  that
[01:37] <jdong> you can try the Atheros IRC channels, etc if the wiki doesn't explain it well
[01:37] <jdong> but you if you have another computer in your LAn, you should try using LAN->LAN transfers to gauge speed
[01:38] <jdong> just as a reference, with my Intel 3945ABG built in wifi card, I rarely see wifi get faster than 1.5MB/s
[01:38] <acidBURN> then the pcmcia card will change channels to match the router and jump into turbo mode?
[01:38] <jdong> even though plugging in to the exact same drop the AP is plugged into gives me 9.2MB/s via my TG3 wired card
[01:40] <acidBURN> q. if I change channels, will the other computer using a links wet11 be able to still connect to the netgear router?
[01:41] <jdong> yeah
[01:41] <jdong> they will momentarily lose their connection, but quicklyl rescan and find the new channel
[01:41] <acidBURN> cool
[01:42] <acidBURN> okay, I will read up on turbo mode, and check with switching channels for better downloads... TKS
[01:43] <jdong> http://www.smallnetbuilder.com/images_old/Reviews/images/scrnshots/dgl_4300/wireless_throughput_compare_dn.png
[01:43] <jdong> here is a nice review of an expensive gaming 108G Atheros Turbo G router
[01:43] <jdong> the best run showed 20MBit
[01:44] <jdong> which is nothing to write home about....
[01:44] <jdong> IMO these A+G multiplexing techniques are just a bunch of gimmicks
[01:44] <jdong> they'll need something like freq hopping spread spectrum, MIMO, or a new band before they can make a true breakthrough in wifi speed
[01:45] <jdong> then again, I'm not a wifi market analyst by any means. take my words as some random kid in IRC ranting ;-)
[10:17] <doc__> hi there
[10:19] <Hobbsee> hiya
[11:03] <_StefanS_> nice, just got the new linux format
[11:09] <_StefanS_> manchicken: so have you started the workshop for adept ?
[11:09] <_StefanS_> manchicken: I was kinda curious about it..
[11:09] <manchicken> Yeah
[11:09] <manchicken> Dial in
[11:09] <_StefanS_> manchicken: I'm there.
[11:09] <_StefanS_> manchicken: unfortunately without a mic
[11:09] <_StefanS_> manchicken: but I will listen in
[11:10] <Jucato> (wow)
[11:10] <manchicken> What?
[11:11] <Jucato> adept workshop :)
[11:11] <manchicken> :)
[11:16] <_StefanS_> manchicken: when adding a new repository, wouldn't it be best to separate the fields like the listview ?
[11:24] <manchicken> Hold up, I'm trying to figure out how to get software-properties working
[11:25] <Jucato> have fun :)
[11:25] <_StefanS_> manchicken: ok :)
[11:31] <_StefanS_> manchicken: so you're looking at adept_installer now ?
[11:31] <manchicken> I believe so.
[11:31] <_StefanS_> uhm ok
[11:31] <manchicken> Software-properties and such.
[11:31] <_StefanS_> would be nice with a webcam :)
[11:31] <manchicken> Yeah.
[11:31] <_StefanS_> seeing what you were doing
[11:31] <manchicken> We're moving about quite a bit.
[11:31] <_StefanS_> right
[11:36] <_StefanS_> hey kwwii
[11:36] <kwwii> howdy _StefanS_
[11:41] <GNUro> Hello, i'm trying to compile kdesdk from kde svn trunk. But it doesn't compile because cmake tell me "Looking for ltdl.h - not found"
[11:42] <GNUro> but dpkg -S ltdl.h doesn't return any packages...
[11:42] <GNUro> ideas?
[11:42] <Jucato> dpkg -S will only scan installed files afaik
[11:43] <Jucato> GNUro: http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?word=ltdl.h&searchmode=searchfiles&case=insensitive&version=feisty&arch=i386
[11:43] <Jucato> ain't sure which of those is the correct one
[11:44] <GNUro> Jucato: thnx!
[11:51] <Hobbsee> nixternal: do you still want https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu/Screenshots/Dapper ?
[11:51] <Hobbsee> Jucato: what are you doing at the moment?
[11:52] <manchicken> _StefanS_: Are you on Gobby?
[11:52] <_StefanS_> manchicken: gobby  +
[11:52] <_StefanS_> manchicken: +
[11:53] <_StefanS_> manchicken: I have a vm with gutsy if thats what you mean ?
[11:53] <manchicken> No, I mean Gobby, the collaborative editor.
[11:53] <_StefanS_> manchicken: nope
[11:54] <manchicken> That's where we're taking notes.
[11:54] <_StefanS_> how do I see it ?
[11:55] <_StefanS_> I got it installed now
[11:55] <_StefanS_> got the information on host, port ?
[12:00] <manchicken> Just go to gobby.ubuntu.com
[12:02] <manchicken> Default port.
[12:02] <manchicken> The default settings work.
[12:02] <_StefanS_> ok
[12:02] <Jucato> Hobbsee: sorry, just got back
[12:03] <Hobbsee> Jucato: feel like helping clean up the wiki?
[12:03] <Jucato> eek :)
[12:04] <doc__> uh
[12:05] <Hobbsee> breezy pages, and the like
[12:06] <Jucato> Hobbsee: I only have a few minutes... and not feeling really well... can I pass? :(
[12:06] <Hobbsee> Jucato: sure
[12:06] <Hobbsee> hope you feel better soon
[12:07] <Jucato> thanks...
[12:07] <Jucato> I've been having mild asthma attacks since tuesday...
[12:09] <Hobbsee> eek!  :(
[12:10] <Jucato> (you should see me staring at the computer while puffing with the nebulizer...)
[12:11] <manchicken> Hobbsee: But wiki loves you.
[12:11] <Hobbsee> manchicken: no it doesnt.
[12:12] <Jucato> everyone/thing loves Hobbsee
[12:12] <Hobbsee> hehe
[12:14] <Hobbsee> there are pages on here that i didnt even know existed..
[12:14] <Jucato> oh the wiki is full of surprises :)
[12:14] <Hobbsee> yeah
[02:21] <mhb> hi folks
[02:21] <mhb> yuriy: about?
[02:23] <Riddell> mhb: will guidance grub config get into gutsy?
[02:23] <mhb> hope so
[02:24] <Riddell> mhb: could you add a paragraph to https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuGutsyGuidance saying what needs done?
[02:24] <mhb> okay
[02:24] <mhb> it's likely that it will, because I found out a SoC student is going to code the same thing for Ubuntu
[02:25] <Jucato> yay mhb! :)
[02:25] <mhb> there was some stuff that needs to be changed in update-grub, but I'm discussing this with that fellow and I want to get the patches early in gutsy
[02:26] <gnomefreak> is kde4 going to be released in time for gutsy?
[02:26] <mhb> gnomefreak: no, a bit later
[02:26] <gnomefreak> ah ok
[02:27] <mhb> gnomefreak: there is a KDE4 plan for kubuntu gutsy on the wiki
[02:27] <gnomefreak> the one you just posted?
[02:27] <Riddell> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuGutsyPlan
[02:27] <gnomefreak> ty
[02:28] <gnomefreak> cool
[02:29] <gnomefreak> oh and if not already known kubuntu-desktop in gutsy has depends issues
[02:30] <gnomefreak> if i ever get this package fixed than i can look at it more in depth
[02:31] <gnomefreak> this package == a package im working on not kde related
[02:32] <mhb> Riddell: yuriy said on the ML that restricted-manager is going to be discussed at uds,is that true?
[02:34] <Riddell> mhb: not sure, I scheduled a session for it ages ago and it's on the timetable for tomorrow but pitti recons there's nothing to talk about since you already have a spec and know what you're doing
[02:34] <Riddell> although I would like an excuse to look through the code with pitti so I know what it's all about
[02:41] <mhb> okay, thank you
[02:41] <Riddell> kwwii: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-3.80.3.php
[02:43] <Riddell> nixternal: packages at http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde4-3.90.1/ if you feel like doing the rest
[03:06] <nixternal> Riddell: rock on!
[03:07] <Riddell> nixternal: other modules are here http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/docs/people.html
[03:07] <Riddell> my archive so far has only kdelibs and base in it
[03:07] <nixternal> OK
[04:01] <bddebian> Heya
[04:17] <raxiv> Kwwii
[04:17] <raxiv> when's the website meeting?
[04:17] <kwwii> it will be starting once I round everyone up
[04:18] <kwwii> in 5 min
[04:18] <kwwii> or so
[04:18] <raxiv> cool, I'm here as i said in the emails.
[04:18] <nixternal> I was wondering why nobody was talking in that room :)
[04:21] <Riddell> Hobbsee: website bof?
[04:21] <Riddell> raxiv: now
[04:22] <Riddell> raxiv: are you on voip?
[04:22] <kwwii> raxiv: can you hear us?
[04:22] <raxiv> um
[04:22] <nixternal> oh well, you can't use the voip
[04:22] <nixternal> it keeps failing
[04:22] <nixternal> it connects for a few seconds and then drops
[04:22] <raxiv> actually I ain't on the meetin.
[04:22] <raxiv> personally
[04:23] <kwwii> yesterday it worked very well
[04:23] <nixternal> OK, I can hear you now
[04:23] <raxiv> im just here via internet.
[04:23] <nixternal> but it will die out here in a second
[04:23] <nixternal> HI
[04:23] <nixternal> and there it dropped out right when you said that
[04:23] <kwwii> oh well
[04:23] <nixternal> hehe
[04:23] <nixternal> kwwii: so you need to be the like courtroom person and type everything that is said in there ;)
[04:23] <nixternal> the recorder, there you go!
[04:23] <kwwii> I might be busier talking
[04:24] <nixternal> what, you can walk and chew gum at the same time ;)
[04:24] <nixternal> s/can/can't
[04:24] <kwwii> ;-)
[04:24] <raxiv> what VoIP do You mean anyway sorry for being newb ; )
[04:24] <nixternal> raxiv: they use SIP
[04:25] <nixternal> I am/was using KPhone
[04:25] <nixternal> hola willvdl
[04:25] <nixternal> you have some work for me?
[04:25] <willvdl> woot
[04:25] <Riddell> http://muse.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/web-idea2.png
[04:25] <nixternal> you know I will be working that one
[04:25] <willvdl> let's not get ahead of ourselves :)
[04:25] <raxiv> well then I'll contact You Kwwii afterwards perhaps via e-mail if there would be somework for me.
[04:26] <nixternal> Riddell: now that looks like garbage!
[04:26] <nixternal> JUST KIDDING!
[04:26] <nixternal> that is sweet!
[04:26] <kwwii> raxiv: the design is just a mockup so we can certainly work on that together
[04:26] <raxiv> evenbetter ; )
[04:26] <nixternal> kwwii: can you add a link to my blog on the right hand side ;)
[04:27] <nixternal> Documentation: We need to convert our TBH into HTML that we can post on k.o as well
[04:27] <raxiv> my launchpad account is raikx .
[04:27] <nixternal> h.u.c is Ubuntu only now it seems
[04:27] <raxiv> just to let You know.
[04:27] <kwwii> raxiv: cool
[04:28] <raxiv> great, i'll still be stalkin the irc. Now I don't bother You further..
[04:28] <kwwii> anyone know anything about drupal
[04:28] <kwwii> ?
[04:29] <kwwii> we need to decide who will take care of implementing this stuff
[04:29] <willvdl> nixternal, same here with edubuntu docs
[04:29] <nixternal> yup
[04:29] <nixternal> kwwii: I know a little drupal from the chibuntu site
[04:29] <nixternal> OH, but I am not implementing all of that now :)
[04:30] <nixternal> newz2000!!!
[04:30] <nixternal> Matthew Nuzum
[04:30] <kwwii> hehe
[04:30] <nixternal> although I copied the Ubuntu.com theme pretty good => http://chi.ubuntu-us.org
[04:30] <nixternal> hola Jucato
[04:31] <Jucato> ola :)
[04:32] <n8k99> hehe Jucato is popular
[04:32] <nixternal> ola works as well
[04:32] <kwwii> nixternal: nice
[04:32] <nixternal> Jucato is da man!
[04:32] <nixternal> kwwii: I just suck at artwork, so I need to redo my header a little better there
[04:32] <Jucato> I am? no you are :)
[04:32] <nixternal> you are nuts! I am a stepchild compared to you!
[04:32] <kwwii> ;-)
[04:32] <nixternal> you are my hero, nuff said
[04:32] <Jucato> lol
[04:33] <Jucato> I can't write docs, nuff said :)
[04:33] <nixternal> anyone can write docs, even monkeys
[04:33] <nixternal> oooh oooh ahhh ahhh
[04:33] <nixternal> see
[04:33] <nixternal> and for some reason, today I can't package
[04:33] <nixternal> hahahahaha
[04:33] <nixternal> I just ate one
[04:33] <willvdl> nixternal, I'll provide 1000 typewriters, you provide 1000 monkeys
[04:34] <nixternal> I wonder how many Brookfield zoo has
[04:34] <Jucato> you can't package today... I couldn't package if my life depended on it :)
[04:35] <Tm_T> I can't write docs, though someone called me a monkey
[04:35] <nixternal> Jucato: packaging is typically fairly easy...once you do it enough you understand how to fix broken packages
[04:35] <nixternal> I couldn't create a package from scratch though
[04:35] <nixternal> but if there is an existing one, oh I got ti
[04:35] <Tm_T> nixternal: you mean, fix packages you break?
[04:35] <nixternal> except for these kde4 packages that just don't like me
[04:35] <nixternal> Tm_T: that too ;)
[04:39] <raxiv> kwwii: there shouldn't be any problems if we will follow some tutorials : p no problems in learnin? ; )
[04:39] <kwwii> ;-)
[04:39] <raxiv> we will be porting the ubuntu-style www to kubuntu-way? : )
[04:41] <raxiv> that would be a good idea to standarize the feel of the sites across the ubuntu network. my opinion that is.
[04:41] <kwwii> we will use drupal and work on a new design but many of the linked pages will be made much more similar
[04:42] <raxiv> i see. A good way as well.
[04:55] <Hobbsee> apachelogger: i did one of your packages, btw
[04:55] <nixternal> Hobbsee: do the KDE4 ones :)
[04:55] <nixternal> damn pbuilder is complainging about strigi
[04:55] <apachelogger> Hobbsee: oh, which one?
[04:55] <Hobbsee> kde-tweak
[04:55] <apachelogger> got far too many of them :D
[04:55] <apachelogger> ah
[04:55] <Hobbsee> nixternal: i'll be right
[04:55] <apachelogger> nice
[04:55] <apachelogger> Hobbsee: thx :)
[04:55] <Hobbsee> no problem
[04:56] <nixternal> hehe
[04:58] <nixternal> heh, Riddell is right, debuild -nc can be your friend :)
[04:59] <nixternal> I am guessing it checks for dependencies, as that is what I am using it for
[05:00] <Hobbsee> apachelogger: man debuild :P
[05:00] <Hobbsee> i think it's no clean
[05:00] <Riddell> nixternal: use a chroot not a pbuilder
[05:00] <Riddell> in my opinion
[05:00] <nixternal> hehe
[05:01] <Riddell> pbuilder is for testing a package
[05:04] <Riddell> debuild is dpkg-buildpackage but checks you have all the build-deps and runs it through fakeroot
[05:04] <Riddell> and it's nicer to type
[05:05] <nixternal> only problem I have had with chroot is dbus iirc
[05:16] <nixternal> don't you just love that after you are in your chroot and you pbuild create, and it poops out at the end because you forgot to cp /etc/hosts and resolv.conf ;)
[05:16] <Riddell> hense debuild -nc in a chroot
[05:18] <nixternal> grr
[05:18] <nixternal> Riddell: smack me when I do stuff like that in the future please
[05:33] <nixternal> With me, I started on Ubuntu and switched for a rather silly reason: My main source of help and information, Nixternal, used Kubuntu and it just seemed easier for him to help me on a distro he is more comfortable with.
[05:33] <nixternal> that is from a blog of a guy who is doing a top 5 thing for a blog contest :)
[05:33] <nixternal> gotta love the pimpage
[05:36] <nixternal> how do I get rid of the LANGUAGE warnings in chroot? should I even worry about them?
[05:39] <ScottK> nixternal: IME you can get rid of them for a bit and they come back.  I just ignore them.
[05:41] <nixternal> roger
[05:44] <fdoving> nixternal: what language warning? can you give an example?
[05:44] <nixternal> make[1] : Entering directory `/kde4/graphics/kde4graphics-3.90.1/obj-i486-linux-gnu'
[05:44] <nixternal> make[1] : *** No targets specified and no makefile found.  Stop.
[05:44] <nixternal> Riddell: ^^ any ideas as to why I am getting this now?
[05:44] <nixternal> fdoving: perl warnings about locales
[05:44] <nixternal> in chroot
[05:44] <fdoving> nixternal: tried to set LANG=C ?
[05:45] <fdoving> export LANG=C
[05:45] <fdoving> then continue working.
[05:45] <nixternal> heh, that works ;)
[05:45] <nixternal> thanks
[05:45] <Riddell> nixternal: it should be running cmake first
[05:46] <nixternal> it is calling /usr/bin/make
[05:47] <Riddell> nixternal: but has it done cmake before?
[05:47] <Riddell> outputs all the configure checks
[05:47] <nixternal> I thought it did
[05:47] <fdoving> does kde4 even use obj-arch-linux-gnu directories like that?
[05:47] <Riddell> fdoving: whatever you tell it to use
[05:48] <fdoving> you build out of source into that directory then?
[05:48] <Riddell> fdoving: it's up to cdbs
[05:49] <fdoving> must be something with packaging. i don't have such directories when building manually from svn.
[05:51] <Riddell> fdoving: it is yes, it's cdbs
[05:51] <Riddell> fdoving: but even when building from svn you have a build diretory
[05:51] <fdoving> Riddell: yep, i have.
[06:01] <nixternal> make[3] : *** No rule to make target `/usr/lib64/libQtSvg.so', needed by `kuser/kuser'.  Stop.
[06:02] <nixternal> interesting, seeing as I am building this on x86
[06:04] <Riddell> hmm
[06:05] <Riddell> qt breaks during compile if you do i386 chroot on amd64 real
[06:05] <Riddell> but that shouldn't happen
[06:05] <nixternal> this is a i386 chroot and i386 system
[06:06] <Riddell> that's insane
[06:06] <nixternal> hehe
[06:06] <nixternal> should I switch over to my amd64?
[06:06] <Riddell> could do, although i386 is where the demand is
[06:06] <nixternal> ya
[06:07] <nixternal> the libs files are definitely in /usr/lib/
[08:19] <nixternal> Riddell: everyone of those builds are looking for some /usr/lib64
[08:19] <nixternal> so I am going to switch over to the 64bit box
[08:31] <lnxkde> sup
[09:26] <ovu_> hi there
[09:28] <ovu_> I am looking for Stefan Skotte
[09:32] <nixternal> Riddell: good news! stuff is building fine on amd64 ;)
[09:34] <mhb> ovu_: is that _StefanS_ ?
[09:34] <_StefanS_> ovu_: thats me :D
[09:34] <_StefanS_> so whats up
[09:35] <ovu_> hi Stefan...i wrote you some days ago...I am Omar Vera
[09:35] <ovu_> I am just starting to get involved with Kubuntu
[09:36] <_StefanS_> oh :)
[09:36] <_StefanS_> hi there
[09:36] <_StefanS_> welcome :)
[09:37] <ovu_> I am just starting reading and playing with QT4
[09:37] <_StefanS_> ovu_: probably a good thing since all is moving in that direction..
[09:37] <ovu_> is there any starting guide to get involved with the development?
[09:37] <nixternal> so then I guess I should quit messing with Qt2 ;)
[09:37] <_StefanS_> nixternal: probably ;)
[09:37] <nixternal> haha
[09:38] <nixternal> there are a couple of development guides located in the KDE documentation (www.kde.org) and there are quite a few excellete Qt4 tutorials on www.trolltech.com as well
[09:38] <_StefanS_> ovu_: well I guess thats kinda sparse, but maybe Riddell can give something to look at with regards to Kubuntu/Qt4
[09:38] <nixternal> s/excellete/excellent/
[09:39] <_StefanS_> ovu_: I know quite some stuff needs to be ported to Qt4 for busty gibbons or whatever it is called :D
[09:39] <nixternal> hahahahahahahaha
[09:39] <ovu_> and where do I find that information? is there any list of what is missing to do?
[09:39] <nixternal> roflmao
[09:40] <nixternal> Gutsy Gibbon
[09:40] <_StefanS_> har har
[09:40] <nixternal> Riddell says gusty gibbon all the time, it is a flatulant little monkey ;)
[09:40] <nixternal> probably from all that irn-bru he feeds it
[09:41] <_StefanS_> ovu_: well I know there's not much available online at the moment, but when things settle after UDS (ubuntu developer summit) which ended today, I guess there will be a little more direction
[09:41] <ovu_> jajajaja
[09:41] <_StefanS_> or information
[09:42] <_StefanS_> ovu_: If you feel like it, go search on https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-team/+packagebugs for bugs that might need some attention.
[09:42] <ovu_> ok, then I think meanwhile I have to continue getting involved with QT4 right?
[09:42] <_StefanS_> ovu_: yes, and should should also try out #kde-devel or #qt for help related to either subject
[09:43] <_StefanS_> ovu_:  in #qt there's alot of helpful guys
[09:46] <ovu_> _StefanS_:ok, starting with bug fixing will be great...I think I am just a newbie but I want to start with something
[09:47] <_StefanS_> ovu_: see if something fits your level, and ask
[09:48] <_StefanS_> ovu_: I mean even if its not that Qt related, I might give you other useful insights into linux/kubuntu in general
[09:48] <ovu_> _StefanS_: ok, I will review it...and is there any guide for retrieving the code from the repositoty and building the packages?
[09:49] <_StefanS_> ovu_:  well there's probably some guides, mostly debian ones - since the packaging is based entirely on apt
[09:50] <_StefanS_> ovu_: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-sourcehandling.en.html
[09:51] <_StefanS_> ovu_: but I just use the instructions I wrote you. Me and debian diffs dont get along too well, so I always end up bugging Riddell or Tonio_ with regular diff -urN <file1> <file2> diffs
[09:53] <_StefanS_> ovu_: let me send you the initial instructions that I got from Riddell
[09:53] <ovu_> _StefanS_: that would be helpful
[09:56] <_StefanS_> ovu_: there you go
[09:57] <_StefanS_> ovu_: but I dont think it will give you all that more information ( the text was shorter than I remember) :)
[10:00] <ovu_> _StefanS_: I got it...I will take a look, thanks for the info
[10:03] <mhb> dadchicken: showing off our conference cloak, are we? :o) (just kidding)
[10:03] <dadchicken> Naw.  More showing of my new nick.
[10:11] <mhb> dadchicken: so you're not a man anymore...
[10:11] <dadchicken> Nice.
[10:24] <yuriy> kde4 alpha? sweet
[10:24] <yuriy> don't see anything on kde.org
[10:24] <nixternal> cuz it isn't ready :)
[10:32] <nixternal> CONGRATS TO MANCHICKEN! Future Daddy of the Year!
[10:46] <dadchicken> Bet yer ass
[10:47] <fdoving> anyone up for testing some removable media safely remove magic?
[10:47] <ScottK> FEDEX me a memory stick and I'll be glad to.  I lost mine...
[10:49] <fdoving> i had to "fish" mine out of an old casette player earlier today. kid "borrowed" it the other day :)
[10:52] <fdoving> Riddell: around?
[10:55] <_StefanS_> dadchicken: any progress on that adept thing ? I had to run to service my car
[11:06] <yuriy> oh yeah, is there a spec being written up with adept plans?