[12:22] <SteveA> thanks tritium.  I james mailed me, and I cced you on the response.  Things are back to normal now.
[12:22] <tritium> Yes, I got the emails, SteveA.  Thanks, and sorry again.
[12:56] <ubotu> New bug: #113705 in launchpad "when team membership changes, team members get every other member's email address in To" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/113705
[01:20] <exarkun> Can I get a link to a file at the tip of a branch on codebrowse.launchpad.net?
[01:20] <exarkun> (So that it stays at the tip even after further changes are committed to it.)
[01:25] <radix> delete the revision ID from the view page
[01:26] <radix> but I don't think there's a way to do it \for the download URL
[02:14] <poolie> I'm getting "internal server error" from launchpad
[02:14] <poolie> intermittently
[02:14] <poolie> is there a problem with the load balancer?
[02:18] <Rinchen> mthaddon, ping re poolie
[02:18] <mthaddon> poolie - I'll take a look
[02:18] <Rinchen> thanks Tom
[02:19] <mthaddon> poolie: is this on beta or main?
[02:20] <poolie> main
[02:23] <mthaddon> poolie: eyeballing it here things look okay - I'll see if we can turn on some more logging for the load balancer and get some more info
[02:23] <poolie> it happened 3 times in a row for me
[02:24] <Rinchen> poolie, where you hitting different pages or the same area?
[02:24] <mthaddon> poolie: and you're getting the "Operational Error" page? a blank white page with very little text
[02:24] <poolie> just hitting reload on the same submission
[02:24] <poolie> i don't recall it saying "operational error"
[02:25] <poolie> but yes, a nearly blank page with two sentences
[02:25] <mthaddon> ok, thx - that helps
[02:30] <mthaddon> poolie: what were you submitting - was it a large upload?
[02:30] <poolie> the first step of +filebug
[02:30] <poolie> so no
[02:30] <poolie> t large
[02:30] <mthaddon> hmm, ok
[02:31] <poolie> i filed the bug ok
[02:31] <poolie> now adding a comment....
[02:32] <Rinchen> mthaddon, we should look at tomorrow's summary report. There might be more info in there.
[02:33] <mthaddon> Rinchen: I'll make a note to follow up
[02:33] <Rinchen> mthaddon, thanks for your help sir.
[02:35] <Rinchen> mthaddon, we did change the timeout value on pound right?
[02:35] <mthaddon> It's currently at 30 - not sure if that's what it's supposed to be...
[02:35] <Rinchen> I wonder if there is another one of those chained database calls that's causing the problem.  Hmm..well, I'll have a look through the report.
[02:36] <Rinchen> 30 is good. There was some talk about 20 between Steve and Stu.
[02:38] <Rinchen> Steve would be good to talk to on this since Stu is not in a favourable timezone. :-)   I'll see if I can pick anything out of the summary report in the morning. 
[02:38] <Rinchen> er... the summary report that just arrived that is.
[02:39] <mthaddon> Rinchen: I'm afraid I have to head out in about five mins, so won't get a chance to follow up on this til tomorrow
[02:39] <Rinchen> k, there is something on +filebug but I need to look at it further. Not my area of expertise :-) 
[03:05] <ubotu> New bug: #113717 in blueprint "jesus, if you dont speak ubuntu it will take you down all kinds of blind alleys.  make it easy for newbies to ask new questions / start new projects as well as search" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/113717
[03:38] <TeTeT> is there any way to change affects in a bug between products? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/113720 is about Launchpad, not Ubuntu
[03:39] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 113720 in Ubuntu "launchpad: cancel joining ubuntu members team create error" [Undecided,Confirmed]  
[04:01] <ubotu> New bug: #113723 in launchpad "cancel joining ubuntu members team create error" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/113723
[05:30] <mpt> Goooooooooooooooood afternoon Launchpadders!
[05:30] <tritium> win15
[05:30] <thumper> hi mpt
[05:31] <mpt> hi thumper 
[06:01] <ubotu> New bug: #113739 in malone "Package descriptions should be shown in overview page" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/113739
[08:10] <ubotu> New bug: #113748 in soyuz "URLs aren't auto-linked in package descriptions" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/113748
[08:30] <ubotu> New bug: #113752 in blueprint "Blueprint email notifications dont batch" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/113752
[09:45] <ubotu> New bug: #113766 in launchpad "Team approval link breaks if applicant changed their ID" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/113766
[10:44] <danilos> mdke: ping
[10:44] <mdke> danilos: (In case I'm not around at the moment, please provide a bit of information about what you want and I will respond when I get back)
[10:46] <danilos> mdke: one of Macedonian Ubuntu translators is asking me about when and if updated packages for ubuntu-docs will be available (translations are in the repository already): I think I remember you saying that you will provided updated packages soon? Or am I imagining things?
[01:05] <ubotu> New bug: #113792 in launchpad "bzr.launchpad.net does not work with sftp" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/113792
[01:25] <ubotu> New bug: #113796 in launchpad "Need greyed-out versions of other project-specific button images" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/113796
[01:25] <ubotu> New bug: #113797 in launchpad-bazaar "+source page has horrible validation" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/113797
[03:35] <mwhudson> mrevell: hi! :)
[03:53] <kiko> hello hello
[03:53] <kiko> me?
[03:53] <jtv> hello hello
[03:56] <Rinchen> hello hello me?
[03:56] <flacoste> kiko, you're 7 minutes early
[03:56] <kiko> hello hello T-4
[03:56] <sinzui> I don't know why you say goodbye, I say hello.
[03:57] <sinzui> bugger workrave
[03:57] <kiko> is that a song?
[03:57] <jtv> Beatles
[03:57] <sinzui> Beatles
[03:57] <kiko> well
[03:57] <kiko> just FYI:
[03:57] <kiko> http://www.google.com/trends?q=ubuntu%2Cbeatles%2Cjesus
[03:57] <SteveA> "Bugger Work Rave" was an extra track on the White Album, but only in Iceland
[03:58] <kiko> they actually work in iceland?
[03:58] <jtv> kiko: lol
[03:58] <SteveA> reykjavik 101
[03:59] <jtv> kiko: no historic data for when Lennon made that statement, but right now Jesus seems to be generating more news.
[03:59] <SteveA> that movie claims that it's common to live on welfare in your lesbian mother's apartment, spending all day surfing internet porn and smoking expensive cigarettes
[04:00] <SteveA> I don't know if it's representative.
[04:00] <SteveA> Welcome to this week's Launchpad Development meeting!
[04:00] <SteveA> For the next 45 minutes or so, we'll be coordinating Launchpad development.
[04:00] <SteveA> Who is here today?
[04:00] <danilos> me
[04:00] <salgado> me
[04:00] <bigjools> me
[04:00] <matsubara> me
[04:00] <mwhudson> me
[04:00] <adeuring> me
[04:00] <flacoste> me
[04:00] <bac> me
[04:00] <allenap> me
[04:00] <sinzui> me
[04:00] <ddaa> me
[04:00] <mrevell> me
[04:01] <statik> me
[04:01] <schwuk_> me
[04:01] <ddaa> got sentences from code down under guys
[04:01] <jtv> me
[04:01] <SteveA> fasolatido!
[04:01] <SteveA> bjorn sends apologies
[04:01] <SteveA> he's involved a lot in UDS
[04:01] <danilos> carlos is on vacation today
[04:02] <SteveA> jonathank: here?
[04:02] <kiko> me
[04:02] <jonathank> SteveA: I'm here.
[04:02] <mpt> me
[04:02] <SteveA> thanks
[04:03] <Rinchen> me too
[04:03] <SteveA> == Agenda ==
[04:03] <SteveA>  * Roll call
[04:03] <SteveA>  * Agenda
[04:03] <SteveA>  * Next meeting
[04:03] <SteveA>  * Actions from last meeting
[04:03] <kiko> even bjornT is here.
[04:03] <SteveA>  * Oops report (Matsubara)
[04:03] <SteveA>  * Bug report ([wiki:JoeyStanford/topweeklybugs Current Top Items] )
[04:03] <SteveA>  * Bug tags
[04:03] <SteveA>  * Production and staging (Stuart)
[04:03] <SteveA>  * Sysadmin requests ([wiki:JoeyStanford/toprtrequests Current Queue] )
[04:03] <SteveA> ----
[04:03] <SteveA>  * A top user-affecting issue (mrevell)
[04:03] <SteveA>  * Launchpad buzz report (mrevell)
[04:03] <SteveA>  * TestsStyleGuide (flacoste)
[04:03] <SteveA>  * (other items)
[04:03] <SteveA> ----
[04:03] <SteveA>  * Team three sentences ([wiki:ProjectTeams Team List] )
[04:04] <SteveA> 
[04:04] <SteveA> next meeting, same time next week
[04:04] <SteveA> I'll be here if I can arrange to swap the Dutch national holiday for Friday.
[04:04] <BjornT> me
[04:04] <cprov> me
[04:04] <SteveA> will anyone be absent next thursday?
[04:04] <kiko> sure, let's swap that.
[04:04] <jamesh> me
[04:04] <kiko> I will be present.
[04:04] <jamesh> I mean I'm here -- not that I will be absent
[04:04] <mdz> does it take some time after registering an ssh key before sftp://bazaar.launchpad.net works?
[04:04] <mwhudson> ddaa and i will be sprinting, but should be present, i guess
[04:04] <mdz> if so, about how long?
[04:05] <jamesh> mdz: it shouldn't
[04:05] <ddaa> we should make it here next Thursday
[04:05] <kiko> mdz, it should take no time.
[04:05] <mdz> oh, sorry, I didn't realize there was a meeting in progress
[04:05] <SteveA>  * Actions from last meeting
[04:05] <SteveA>  * mthaddon, matsubara, and stub to get together and do a joint "production/qa/dba" report this time
[04:05] <matsubara> SteveA: I have mine and stub's sentences
[04:05] <SteveA> matsubara, stu1: did you get together to do this?
[04:05] <SteveA> ok
[04:06] <matsubara> SteveA: I'm waiting for tom to show up and get his
[04:06] <SteveA> ok.  tom should be here.
[04:06] <SteveA>  * Oops report (Matsubara)
[04:06] <matsubara> SteveA: but next week I'll mail on wed and ask for it
[04:06] <matsubara> Today's oops report is about bugs 102862, 111799, 104087, 92435, 109880.
[04:06] <SteveA> thanks
[04:06] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 102862 in malone "OOPS when trying to file a bug from a product series page" [High,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/102862 - Assigned to Bjrn Tillenius (bjornt)
[04:06] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 111799 in blueprint "Blueprint name validation broken" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/111799
[04:06] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 104087 in launchpad-bazaar "http://codebrowse.launchpad.net/~vcs-imports/network-manager/main/changes  gives me 500 Internal error" [Undecided,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/104087
[04:06] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 92435 in launchpad-bazaar "codebrowse search returns "500 Internal error"" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/92435 - Assigned to James Henstridge (jamesh)
[04:06] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 109880 in launchpad-bazaar ""Browse Code" link for branch always returns internal server error" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109880
[04:06] <matsubara> Bjorn how's it going?
[04:06] <matsubara> https://bugs.launchpad.net/malone/+bug/102862 (OOPS when trying to file a bug
[04:06] <matsubara> from a product series page) 
[04:07] <kiko> I hope he has fixed it
[04:07] <matsubara> jonathank do you wanna take bug 111799?
[04:07] <stu1> Here
[04:07] <kiko> because otherwise we are going to get BLOOD!
[04:07] <SteveA> jamesh, mwhudson, ddaa: what do you think about having mwhudson look at codebrowse?
[04:07] <jonathank> matsubara: sounds good.
[04:08] <matsubara> I thought BjornT wouldn't be here today. Any comment about that bug from the Bugs team? allenap, schwuk ?
[04:08] <ddaa> SteveA: got no problem with that
[04:08] <mwhudson> it makes some sense i guess
[04:08] <SteveA> remiss of me not to welcome jonathank.
[04:08] <SteveA> Welcome to the Launchpad team, jonathank !
[04:08] <allenap> matsubara: no, sorry
[04:08] <jonathank> Cheers, SteveA.
[04:08] <mpt> You welcomed him last week, SteveA :-)
[04:08] <matsubara> jonathank: thank you
[04:08] <jonathank> I feel doubly welcome in that case.
[04:08] <bigjools> two for the price of one
[04:08] <mwhudson> i talked a bit with thumper earlier about codebrowse, but i think i need to talk specifics about what needs to change some time
[04:08] <kiko> jonathank, let me know if you want some help with reviewing that?
[04:09] <SteveA> jonathan will be working on the blueprints system, and is working with statik and brad to start with
[04:09] <BjornT> matsubara: i do remember bascially fixing it, but had to fix something else before fixing it completely. i'll make sure it gets fixed next week.
[04:09] <jonathank> kiko: I will do that.
[04:09] <matsubara> On bug 104087 jamesh mentioned that to fix the root cause for codebrowse 500 errors is to replace the caching backend. Is there a spec or bug open for that? We have bug 92435 where the search gives a 500 error, is it the same issue? And bug 109880 which apparently is not cache related.
[04:09] <SteveA> anyone else feed in need of a welcome?
[04:09] <kiko> cool.
[04:09] <SteveA> sorry to interrupt, matsubara 
[04:09] <ddaa> mwhudson: I think the one who has been most in charge of codebrowse was jamesh, so you should check with him.
[04:09] <mwhudson> ddaa: right
[04:09] <mwhudson> jamesh: skype some time?
[04:09] <ddaa> myself I'm happy to stay away from that particular can of worms
[04:10] <matsubara> BjornT: tusen tack!
[04:10] <SteveA> mwhudson: I'd like you to make the codebrowse stuff your particular responsibility.
[04:10] <jamesh> matsubara: the caching backend needs to be fixed, yes.  The search issue is unrelated
[04:10] <mwhudson> SteveA: ok
[04:10] <danilos> I just got SMS from carlos: he is unable to attend the meeting even if he tried to get to it (but he is on a day off anyway)
[04:10] <jamesh> mwhudson: sure.
[04:10] <ubotu> New bug: #113720 in Ubuntu "launchpad: cancel joining ubuntu members team create error (dup-of: 97245)" [Undecided,Rejected]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/113720
[04:10] <SteveA> danilos: thanks.  I don't expect him to be here on his day off.
[04:11] <jamesh> matsubara: unless the new cache backend can be used for the searches, that is.
[04:12] <matsubara> I'll reassign those bugs to mwhudson then.
[04:12] <matsubara> on a final note, thanks Translations team for handling bug 112315
[04:12] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 112315 in launchpad "OffsiteFormPostError raised for referer with square braces in query" [Undecided,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112315 - Assigned to Gavin Panella (allenap)
[04:12] <matsubara> Thanks salgado for fixing bug 97245
[04:12] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 97245 in launchpad "Clicking "Back to team" button on +join page for restricted team results in UnexpectedFormData" [High,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/97245 - Assigned to Guilherme Salgado (salgado)
[04:12] <kiko> yes, many thanks to salgado 
[04:12] <matsubara> SteveA: I'm done. Thank you.
[04:12] <kiko> and many many thanks to danilos and carlos (and jtv in the shadows)
[04:12] <SteveA> barry: ping
[04:12] <SteveA> thank you matsubara 
[04:13] <SteveA>  * Bug report ([wiki:JoeyStanford/topweeklybugs Current Top Items] )
[04:13] <barry> SteveA: pong
[04:13] <barry> dang
[04:13] <Rinchen> :-) 
[04:13] <Rinchen> Congrats flacoste for fixing the answers section of Bug #109652
[04:13] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 109652 in malone "Non-admin team member can make the team a bug/answer contact" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109652
[04:13] <Rinchen> Congrats mpt for fixing Bug #111429
[04:13] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 111429 in launchpad "Actions menu and other boxes float in page middle in Opera 9.20" [Critical,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/111429 - Assigned to Matthew Paul Thomas (mpt)
[04:13] <barry> and i was even watching this channel until i got pulled away :(
[04:13] <Rinchen> A few of our previous critical bugs were downgraded to high so they have dropped off my list.
[04:13] <Rinchen> Bug #90384 (Private) - stub- 2007-03-07 - Critical, in progress. Stu1, how is this work coming?
[04:13] <ubotu> Bug 90384 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/90384 is private
[04:13] <Rinchen> Bug #107912, first reported on 2007-04-19, (Private), mthaddon - Critical, in progress. Tom, how is this work coming along?
[04:13] <ubotu> Bug 107912 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/107912 is private
[04:13] <barry> me
[04:14] <Rinchen> Bug #44, danilo - 2005-01-10 - Rosetta, High, not started - Was blocked until about 6 March. Delayed by Gutsy Translations. Danilo, still delayed?
[04:14] <kiko> yes
[04:14] <Rinchen> Bug #44, jtv - 2005-01-10 - Rosetta, High, not started - Was blocked until about 6 March. Delayed by Gutsy Translations. Danilo, still delayed?
[04:14] <danilos> Rinchen: that's right, still delayed
[04:14] <danilos> Rinchen: bad copy-pasting?
[04:14] <Rinchen> danilos, thanks...
[04:14] <Rinchen> it's the # sign, I'm sure :-) 
[04:15] <jtv> Rinchen: that's on the 3 key
[04:15] <jamesh> Rinchen: there is no point in doing anything more on bug 90384 til the fix gets cherry picked
[04:15] <ubotu> Bug 90384 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/90384 is private
[04:15] <Rinchen> jamesh, ok, thanks for that.
[04:15] <stub> Rinchen: Bug 90384 is waiting on the next rollout or cherry pick. 
[04:15] <ubotu> Bug 90384 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/90384 is private
[04:15] <Rinchen> ok, excellent. 
[04:15] <Rinchen> Then I'm done. Short list today.  Back to SteveA.
[04:16] <SteveA> thanks Rinchen 
[04:16] <kiko> I think we should do cherrypicks, but not a rollout.
[04:16] <SteveA> why do you think that kiko?
[04:16] <kiko> I'll talk to tom when he materializes
[04:16] <kiko> because of other changes that have landed
[04:16] <SteveA> is there anything very risky?
[04:17] <SteveA> the issue with cherry-picks is that it's a combination of code that has not been run anywhere before
[04:17] <kiko> not very, no
[04:17] <SteveA> so it is in some ways more risky than just rolling out head
[04:17] <kiko> in some ways.
[04:18] <SteveA> so, unless there's a particular reason that something should not be rolled out, I prefer us to roll out head
[04:18] <jamesh> if we get more people testing edge.launchpad.net, hopefully we can be more confident about tip rollouts
[04:18] <SteveA> jamesh: I spoke with tom about that yesterday
[04:18] <SteveA> I want us to have an equal number of edge and beta servers
[04:18] <danilos> should the members of the development team prefer using edge?
[04:18] <SteveA> and direct beta testers to either edge or beta, depending on whether we have a beta test in progress or not
[04:18] <SteveA> danilos: yes, unless there's a beta test in progress
[04:19] <SteveA> danilos: we should get some auto-redirection in place though
[04:19] <stub> We are already confident about HEAD rollouts. The only bad case we have had so far was people landing unstable soyuz code on the trunk, which would not have been picked up by edge or staging anyway.
[04:19] <SteveA> hi mthaddon 
[04:19] <jamesh> okay.  The existing beta redirect should have no problem with edge
[04:19] <mthaddon> sorry I'm late...
[04:19] <danilos> SteveA: yeah, same kind of redirection as for the beta site, agreed
[04:19] <SteveA> we will discuss this more in the infrastructure conf call, after this meeting
[04:20] <SteveA> kiko: I leave it up to you to decide what we should roll out.  You've heard the different arguments here.
[04:20] <kiko> thanks.
[04:20] <SteveA>  * Bug tags
[04:21] <SteveA> francis (I think) proposed...
[04:21] <SteveA> "grammar"
[04:21] <SteveA>  A bug describing a grammar, typo or other language problem.
[04:21] <SteveA> 
[04:21] <flacoste> yep
[04:21] <danilos> why is it important to differentiate from 'trivial'?
[04:21] <SteveA> examples are bug 106889
[04:21] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 106889 in launchpad-answers "Typo in Answers Tab Tooltip (for People/Teams)" [Low,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/106889 - Assigned to Francis J. Lacoste (flacoste)
[04:21] <matsubara> -1, I think we should use the trivial tag for those
[04:21] <jamesh> or "speling"
[04:21] <SteveA> and bug 112761
[04:21] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 112761 in launchpad-answers ""look for similar question" is poor grammar" [Medium,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112761 - Assigned to Francis J. Lacoste (flacoste)
[04:21] <danilos> jamesh: :)
[04:21] <flacoste> the idea being that grammar bugs are very easy to fix and you can easily bundle quite a few of them
[04:22] <flacoste> whereas trivial sometime ends up not being trivial
[04:22] <jtv> "cosmetic"?
[04:22] <mwhudson> grammar seems over-specific
[04:22] <kiko> -1
[04:22] <mpt> If something's not really trivial, remove the trivial tag
[04:22] <bigjools> "language"
[04:22] <jamesh> jtv: typos aren't always just cosmetic though
[04:22] <kiko> I think when trivial isn't trivial, we should just remove the trivial tag
[04:22] <kiko> wtf
[04:22] <jtv> jamesh: they are always superficial
[04:22] <ddaa> kiko: that would be a useful tag too!
[04:23] <mpt> snap
[04:23] <SteveA> perhaps this is a combination of "trivial ui" ?
[04:23] <flacoste> yes, trivial ui kind of covers it
[04:23] <matsubara> that's how I've been tagging typo bugs
[04:23] <kiko> good.
[04:23] <kiko> NEXT
[04:23] <salgado> what is a triviall bug? something that we could land with a [trivial]  tag?
[04:23] <SteveA> ok, so let's document the use of "trivial ui" on the tags page
[04:24] <SteveA> thanks for making the suggestion, flacoste 
[04:24] <SteveA>  * Production and staging (Stuart)
[04:24] <kiko> salgado, not necessarily, just something that looks trivial to fix.
[04:24] <SteveA> note that in future, we'll split this section into 'production' and 'DBA' sections, one for mthaddon andn one for stub
[04:24] <stub> Tom seems to have done a great job last week of keeping things happy
[04:24] <stub> And everything seems to be running happily.
[04:25] <stub> We have grown a pair of new appservers, so we are now running 6 lpnet instances (overkill - always a good thing)
[04:25] <kiko> I will like that, SteveA!
[04:25] <stub> Testing of Apache as a load balancer is underway and looking good.
[04:25] <stub> And Tom should do this report as of next week I think :-)
[04:26] <mthaddon> stub: actually, just 5 instances - the new app server has just one instance (it's on my list to see if we should be running a second on there as well)
[04:26] <stub> And no, I don't know what the rollout schedule is this week, if any
[04:26] <SteveA> kiko will be arranging that with tom
[04:26] <SteveA> looking at urgent picks
[04:26] <SteveA> thanks cprov 
[04:26] <kiko> indeed! it is all my fault now.
[04:26] <SteveA> stub: all done?
[04:26] <stub> yer
[04:26] <SteveA> mthaddon: anything to add?
[04:26] <kiko> gr8
[04:26] <kiko> mthaddon!
[04:26] <mthaddon> no, sounds good
[04:26] <SteveA> thanks
[04:26] <SteveA>  * Sysadmin requests ([wiki:JoeyStanford/toprtrequests Current Queue] )
[04:27] <SteveA> before joey starts...
[04:27] <SteveA> I spoke with elmo and arranged that we'd push for very urgent sysadmin requests this week
[04:27] <SteveA> and he promised us some quality time when the admin team are all back in london next week
[04:27] <jamesh> mthaddon: probably worth having two instances on the machine if only to help balance load
[04:28] <kiko> SteveA, they have been excellent at helping us get the PPA bits ready.
[04:28] <mthaddon> jamesh: originally the sysadmins had told us this was a less beefy machine and therefore we should only run one instance, but I want to confirm the machine specs with them and then make a call on how many instances we should be running
[04:28] <SteveA> awesome to hear
[04:28] <SteveA> Rinchen: anything really "this week" urgent?
[04:29] <Rinchen> SteveA, that's good news. Nothing that I am aware of that is urgent this week.  Our backlog has been increasing and Tom has won the award of most active RT request submitter.
[04:29] <kiko> SteveA, also, elmo has approved a machine to serve as a dedicated build master, another great thing.
[04:29] <kiko> good job mthaddon 
[04:29] <SteveA> great.  thanks.
[04:29] <SteveA>  * A top user-affecting issue (mrevell)
[04:29] <mrevell> Martin Albisetti, current producer of Ubuntu Weekly News, contacted me to suggest a Launchpad Etiquette document. I will work on this next week and would like your input. I'm going to work with Martin and other members of the community to find examples of what they consider to be good behaviour. The guide should be empowering, rather than condescending or forbidding.
[04:30] <SteveA> awesome
[04:30] <kiko> etiquette?
[04:30] <SteveA> the COC for launchpad
[04:30] <Rinchen> Correct.
[04:30] <mrevell> kiko: Well, things such as, "It's best not to subscribe a team as a support contact, if you don't have everyone's agreement". Although, that's no longer possible, obviously.
[04:30] <mrevell> Yeah, a CoC.
[04:30] <SteveA>  * TestsStyleGuide (flacoste)
[04:30] <stub> mthaddon: One instance per CPU, then scale back the weighting in the load balancer if the CPUs are less powerful
[04:30] <mpt> As with other help, I think that the briefer and closer such guidelines are to the relevant controls, the more effective they'll be
[04:31] <flacoste> Did everybody read the TestsStyleGuide? Say "enlightened" if you did, "in the dark" if not.
[04:31] <mrevell> mpt: Agreed, thanks.
[04:31] <jtv> enlightened
[04:31] <mrevell> in the dark
[04:31] <mwhudson> enlightened
[04:31] <mthaddon> stub: thx
[04:31] <mpt> enlightened
[04:31] <SteveA> enlightened.  thanks for writing it flacoste.
[04:31] <salgado> enlightened
[04:31] <jonathank> in the dark.
[04:31] <bac> enlightened
[04:31] <matsubara> in the dark
[04:31] <barry> enlightened
[04:31] <stub> in the dark
[04:31] <sinzui> enlightened
[04:31] <schwuk_> enlightened
[04:31] <danilos> enlightened
[04:31] <adeuring> in the dark
[04:31] <jamesh> enlightened
[04:31] <statik> enlightened
[04:31] <kiko> enlightened
[04:31] <allenap> enlightened
[04:31] <ddaa> enlightened
[04:31] <bigjools> in the dark
[04:31] <flacoste> stub: didn't you read it, you asked about docstring unit tests?
[04:32] <ddaa> (unless it has changed a lot since last week)
[04:32] <flacoste> ddaa: it did not
[04:32] <stub> flacoste: Oh... that one
[04:32] <stub> enlightened
[04:32] <SteveA> flacoste: please post the URL.  This agenda item remains until next week so that those still in the dark can read it and claim due enlightenment.
[04:32] <flacoste> https://launchpad.canonical.com/TestsStyleGuide
[04:32] <SteveA> mrevell:  you don't need to read it
[04:32] <mrevell> SteveA: Ok, thanks.
[04:32] <SteveA> thanks flacoste 
[04:32] <danilos> worth adding a link to zope3 testbrowser/README.txt on that page, though my bookmark for that now seems to be broken
[04:32] <barry> it's also not a bad idea to subscribe to the page even if you're enlightened, so you don't fall to the dark side as it gets updated
[04:32] <SteveA> good point, barry
[04:33] <SteveA> before we go on to the team three sentences
[04:33] <jamesh> that'd be eclipsed?
[04:33] <SteveA> I have an announcement about our development process
[04:33] <SteveA> we're going to start having strict monthly releases, and two-month planned development cycles
[04:33] <ddaa> yay!
[04:33] <SteveA> there are docs on the wiki, and I'll mail a formal announcement to the list later today
[04:34] <SteveA> much thanks to Rinchen for driving this process forward
[04:34] <SteveA> there's a place in the doc for you to add comments at the end
[04:34] <SteveA> comments most welcome
[04:34] <SteveA> but see the email first
[04:34] <statik> hurrah timeboxing
[04:34] <SteveA> (when I've sent it)
[04:35] <SteveA> Also, please see the document on Project Teams for the teams that shouldl report three sentences.
[04:35] <SteveA> I note that I don't have the infrastructure team's 3 sentences :-(
[04:35] <SteveA> anyway...
[04:35] <SteveA>  * Team three sentences ([wiki:ProjectTeams Team List] )
[04:35] <barry> SteveA: a question...
[04:35] <ddaa> URL?
[04:35] <matsubara> TEAM: production/dba/qa
[04:35] <matsubara> DONE: begun load balancer testing, DBA holiday + OpenID, triage, oops reports.
[04:35] <matsubara> TODO: complete load balancer testing, resolve pound timeout issue from yesterday, stub to write a spec, more triage, file an RT to find out what happened to staging oopses, read the TestStyleGuide.
[04:35] <matsubara> BLOCKED: stub possibly blocked on bzr 0.16 landing in launchpad repo, stub blocked on SteveA remembering the topic of the spec stub is supposed to write.
[04:36] <flacoste> TEAM: answer-tracker
[04:36] <flacoste> DONE: LiveHelp spec, restrict setting team answer contact to team admin, allow preferred-languages only answer contacts, other bug fixes, AnswererCredential spec
[04:36] <flacoste> TODO: Finish AnswererCredentialSpec, allow searching in preferred languages only, more bug fixes
[04:36] <flacoste> BLOCKED: waiting on mpt and kiko's review of AnswerSpec
[04:36] <barry> TEAM: team mailing lists
[04:36] <barry> DONE: mmbuild branch landed; phase three spec ready for review (review requested); mailman 2.1 branch updated on launchpad, pulled into rf (sourcecode/mailman); misc other stuff (reviews, bzr evangelizing)
[04:36] <barry> TODO: get phase three spec reviewed (especially approval of proposed db changes); merge upstream mm2.1 patches to rf
[04:36] <barry> BLOCKED: no
[04:36] <jtv> TEAM: Rosetta
[04:36] <jtv> DONE: TranslationImportQueuePriorities spec, #113036, lotsa Gutsy preparation
[04:36] <jtv> TODO: Finish implementation of #88873, #83801, import queue priorities
[04:36] <jtv> BLOCKED: no
[04:36] <allenap> TEAM: bug tracker
[04:36] <allenap> DONE: Bjorn at UDS, and submitted LPClosingBugsFromChangelogs implementation for review. David and Abel are learning LP, working on simple bugs. Gavin worked on some OOPSes, fix is nearing review for one (bug 112315), also worked on bug 81014.
[04:36] <allenap> TODO: David and Abel will continue as they are, Bjorn will be landing lp-changelog-closes-bugs and writing and planning UDS specs, Gavin will land bug 81014 and bug 112315 and resume bug 106984.
[04:36] <allenap> BLOCKED: no
[04:36] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 112315 in launchpad "OffsiteFormPostError raised for referer with square braces in query" [Undecided,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112315 - Assigned to Gavin Panella (allenap)
[04:36] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 81014 in malone "Don't assume entered package is a binary package" [Undecided,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81014 - Assigned to Gavin Panella (allenap)
[04:36] <ubotu> Bug 106984 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/106984 is private
[04:36] <mpt> DONE: bug page work, font size experiments
[04:36] <mpt> TODO: finish bug page work, Launchpad-Bazaar sprint, fix more bugs
[04:36] <mpt> BLOCKED: no
[04:36] <statik> TEAM: Commercialization
[04:36] <statik> DONE: conducting code reviews as part of the review team, salesforce integration work, got file downloads DB and code branches back from review, customer support activities, work on removing hard coded lists of projects, improved launchpad.net health monitoring (better granularity on app servers, have a plan for checking SFTP).
[04:36] <statik> TODO: Post-review changes and land file downloads, 1 month progress report, vacation, code reviews, hardcoded projects, salesforce.
[04:36] <statik> BLOCKED: no. 
[04:36] <salgado> TEAM: FOAF
[04:36] <salgado> DONE: code review (including mentoring), performance reviews, started working on bug 53637
[04:36] <salgado> TODO: more code review, finish with bug 53637 and get back to work on bug 70519 if time permits
[04:36] <salgado> BLOCKED: no
[04:36] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 53637 in launchpad "Adding team 'Foo' as a member of team 'Bar' should require confirmation from one of the administrators of 'Foo'" [High,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/53637 - Assigned to Guilherme Salgado (salgado)
[04:36] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 70519 in launchpad "Need to allow team members to renew their own membership once it gets close to the membership's expiration date" [High,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/70519 - Assigned to Guilherme Salgado (salgado)
[04:36] <ddaa> TEAM: Code (mwhudson, jml, thumper, ddaa):
[04:36] <ddaa> DONE: Smartserver on supermirror, private branches, FiF tasks, reviews, mwhudson training on supermirror and code-import operation, bye-bye-hct
[04:36] <ddaa> TODO: Smartserver on supermirror, private branches, sprint in Dunedin, bye-bye-hct, sprint in London
[04:36] <ddaa> BLOCKED: no
[04:36] <mpt> flacoste, when did you mail me about that?
[04:36] <mpt> about AnswerSpec, I mean
[04:36] <stub> Team Salgado :)
[04:36] <bigjools> SteveA, Team Soyuz have been at UDS and wiping new baby's bottom so not much to report
[04:37] <SteveA> TMI
[04:37] <SteveA> but thanks
[04:37] <kiko> big news for team Soyuz! PPA demos! rebuild speccing!
[04:37] <bigjools> you're welcome :)
[04:37] <kiko> soyuz is now looking like the future
[04:37] <SteveA> matsubara: thanks, you rock!
[04:37] <Rinchen> ooh, PPA!
[04:37] <flacoste> mpt: you were in the CC list to the RFC: Initial draft of launchpad knowledge base on 2007-04-20
[04:38] <mwhudson> PPA?
[04:38] <ddaa> Be sure the ubuntu-studio folks see that!
[04:38] <ddaa> Personal Package Archives
[04:38] <bigjools> Personal Porn^WPackage Archive
[04:38] <jtv> Privacy Protection Act?
[04:38] <salgado> mwh, personal package archives
[04:38] <mwhudson> ok
[04:38] <Rinchen> Powerfully Potent Activities!
[04:38] <mpt> flacoste, ok, I'll find it and reply
[04:38] <jtv> Provisional Patent Application
[04:38] <flacoste> thanks mpt
[04:39] <radix> we need that :-)
[04:39] <mpt> Prancing Pirate Architecture
[04:39] <jtv> Post Pack Audit
[04:39] <bigjools> wot no rude ones?
[04:39] <schwuk_> Pony Pimpage Abounds
[04:39] <ddaa> Pondering a Pee Afterwards
[04:39] <Spads> Personal P**** Augmentation
[04:39] <kiko> END OF MEETING
[04:40] <barry> potentially promiscuous activities
[04:40] <mrevell> :)
[04:40] <bigjools> yay for Spads
[04:40] <Rinchen> Positively Preposterous Acronyms 
[04:40] <bigjools> lol
[04:40] <kiko> jesus
[04:40] <SteveA> anyone still blocked
[04:40] <SteveA> ?
[04:40] <matsubara> stub?
[04:41] <SteveA> stub remembered!
[04:41] <matsubara> right, thanks
[04:41] <SteveA> ok, thanks for being here.  5 mins early!
[04:41] <SteveA> MEETING ENDS
[04:41] <stub> SteveA: What time infra call?
[04:41] <kiko> thanks SteveA 
[04:41] <SteveA> stub:  on the hour
[04:55] <ubotu> New bug: #113825 in malone "Null bug contact is confusing" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/113825
[05:06] <ubotu> New bug: #113827 in launchpad "LP says I own a team when I'm actually a member of the owning team" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/113827
[05:21] <popey> sladen: moo
[05:28] <psusi> what's a guy got to do to be able to set the priority of a bug?  launchpad says only the maintainer or bug contact can set it... I am a member of the ubuntu-dmraid group, which is subscribed to the dmraid package as a bug contact, but I can't set the priority on dmraid bugs
[05:29] <kiko> psusi, the text is not precise. it means an ubuntu bug contact -- for the distro.
[05:29] <kiko> we were in fact just discussing this
[05:29] <psusi> hrm....
[05:30] <seb128> psusi: basically what I was saying on #ubuntu-devel then
[05:31] <psusi> so how do I set it as the bug contact for the ubuntu specific dmraid package?
[05:31] <psusi> as far as I can tell, I'm looking at the dmraid package in ubuntu
[05:32] <psusi> unless... wait... you mean you have to be a bug contact for all of ubuntu?
[05:32] <seb128> right
[05:32] <psusi> omg
[05:32] <seb128> there is no by package granularity
[05:32] <seb128> hum
[05:32] <psusi> that totally sucks...
[05:33] <seb128> you don't need to subscribe to all the bugs
[05:33] <seb128> you just need to be member of the bug team
[05:33] <seb128> so you have the permission to triage any Ubuntu bug
[05:33] <psusi> hrm.. what all does that mean?
[05:33] <kiko> psusi, that you need to talk to bdmurray!
[05:33] <psusi> lol
[05:34] <psusi> do you have to be a motu to do that?
[05:34] <seb128> psusi: you will get only bugs for packages you are subscribed to
[05:34] <seb128> no
[05:34] <seb128> just to be busquad member
[05:34] <seb128> ask on #ubuntu-bugs to be added to the team
[05:34] <psusi> ok....
[05:36] <kiko> no
[05:36] <kiko> talk to bdmurray
[05:36] <psusi> can someoneohh
[05:36] <kiko> he will be overjoyed to have you help out!
[05:36] <psusi> I joined the team myself
[05:36] <seb128> you need to be accepted by a team admin though
[05:37] <kiko> correct
[05:37] <psusi> lp seems to say the team is open, and that I was added, not pending
[05:37] <psusi> hrm....
[05:38] <kiko> psusi, can I see a URL?
[05:38] <psusi> now I have to find my way back... heh
[05:39] <psusi> according to my personal page it says I am a member of the bugsquad group, joined 2 minutes ago
[05:39] <psusi> https://launchpad.net/~psusi
[05:40] <psusi> https://launchpad.net/~bugsquad lists me as recently approved
[05:41] <psusi> still can't change priority
[05:42] <kiko> bugsquad is not the contact.
[05:42] <kiko> as I said you need to talk to bdmurray.
[05:43] <psusi> I thought you said I needed to be a member of bugsquad?
[05:44] <seb128> psusi: I wrote it, might be ubuntu-qa, better to do what kiko said
[05:45] <kiko> yes, please do.
[05:45] <kiko> bdmurray will be cross with me otherwise
[05:45] <psusi> ok... any idea when he will be on?
[05:46] <kiko> he /is/ on isn't he?
[05:46] <kiko> oh
[05:46] <kiko> hang on
[05:46] <seb128> psusi: did you try on #ubuntu-bugs?
[05:47] <psusi> ohh... must have missed it the first time
[05:48] <kiko> psusi, he's here now, he was offline
[07:28] <pkern_> How could I set bug contact / security contact on a project in LP?
[07:33] <matsubara> pkern_: in the Bugs tab for the given project
[07:34] <kiko> correct
[07:34] <kiko> we should group these bits into a +roles page.
[07:34] <matsubara> pkern_: you'll see in the Actions menu (Left hand side) a link to change the bug/security contact, if you have permission
[07:34] <pkern_> Thanks.
[07:44] <sabdf1> also, an inverse roles page, for a person which shows the projects on which they have a special role
[07:47] <kiko> totally
[08:02] <toscalix> hi, I had a meeting at UDS (mEDUXa - Launchpad BoF) and I want to contact with the launchpad technician that attended to that BoF to help integrate mEDUXa with this tool. He has dark long hair
[08:02] <toscalix> didn't write down his name and now I don't know how to contact him (I leaved Sevilla)
[08:02] <toscalix> can somebody in UDS from Launchpad help me?
[08:02] <kiko> that's me
[08:03] <toscalix> hi kiko
[08:03] <kiko> how's it going
[08:03] <toscalix> perfect
[08:03] <kiko> that's good to hear!
[08:03] <toscalix> at home, fine but I was better at sevilla
[08:04] <kiko> sevilla is a nice place
[08:04] <kiko> I don't blame you
[08:04] <kiko> being home is also nice though
[08:05] <toscalix> Yes but I have too much work now. In the BoF I didn't
[08:05] <kiko> heh
[08:05] <kiko> toscalix, so how may I help you?
[08:05] <toscalix> get when you where going to make the change on hexperides domain
[08:05] <toscalix> it is not critical
[08:05] <kiko> ah, of course.
[08:06] <toscalix> but It would be nice to know if it is going to take you days or weeks or...whatever, so we can make our roadmap
[08:07] <toscalix> it is something hard to do or it is a simple action?
[08:07] <kiko> hang on
[08:08] <kiko> toscalix, https://launchpad.net/hexperides
[08:08] <toscalix> ah, you did it right away, I thought it was going to take more time
[08:09] <toscalix> thanks a lot
[08:09] <kiko> you're welcome
[09:12] <psusi> say, is there any chance of having launchpad fixed to not show the same bug repeatedly in bugs related to you, when the bug effects multiple distros?
[10:22] <pjma1> how do I change my publicly shown name in Launchpad Answers?
[10:24] <matsubara> pjma1: launchpad.net/people/+me/+edit
[10:26] <gnomefreak> i get a oops when using that URL with +gnomefreak instead of +me
[10:26] <gnomefreak> OOPS-495A697
[10:26] <ubotu> https://devpad.canonical.com/~jamesh/oops.cgi/495A697
[10:26] <matsubara> gnomefreak: an oops or a page not found?
[10:26] <gnomefreak> both
[10:26] <pjma1> it looks like that's the same as https://launchpad.net/~<username> - Sorry, that should have been obvious to me :-)
[10:26] <pjma1> thx
[10:27] <gnomefreak> page not found with the above oops
[10:28] <matsubara> gnomefreak: launchpad.net/people/+me is a shortcut that redirects to your logged in user home page.
[10:28] <gnomefreak> i got it using https://beta.launchpad.net/~gnomefreak/+edit
[10:29] <matsubara> oh, I thought you tried launchpad.net/people/+gnomefreak
[10:29] <gnomefreak> i did try that 
[10:35] <matsubara> ~gnomefreak doesn't seem to exist on lpnet or beta
[10:35] <gnomefreak> i just changed it
[10:35] <gnomefreak> its not -johnvivirito
[10:35] <gnomefreak> ~
[10:36] <gnomefreak> been looking to do that for a long time
[11:31] <thumper> morning
[11:35] <micahcowan> How might one change the status of an Answer? In some cases, users submit a "final, closing remark", which changes the Answer's status from "answered" to "open"; also, there are some cases that are much more appropriate as bugs, but I can't find out how to mark the Answer as "invalid".
[11:53] <sinzui> micahcowan: We haven't created an administrative interface for questions.
[11:53] <micahcowan> Is one planned?
[11:54] <sinzui> we have not decided. In the first case you mention, it sounds like we have a UI/workfow problem that lets the user mess up the status
[11:55] <micahcowan> I'd agree with that. It should at least be possible to submit comments without altering the state; and to change the state back in the event that it has been modified accidentally.
[11:55] <micahcowan> Another question is, is there documentation on how the karma process works? I think having it documented somewhere (even though I know it changes) would make it easier for people to give feedback on how it works. Because it seems kind of screwy to me, lately.
[11:56] <sinzui> micahcowan: flacoste and popey discussed this last week I believe. I do not know the final outcome. filing a bug or adding to an existing one to document the problem is probably the best step.
[11:57] <flacoste> micahcowan: when a question is about a bug, you should not mark it as Invalid, you should instead link it to the appropriate bug
[11:58] <micahcowan> alright.
[11:58] <flacoste> micahcowan: it is possible for project managers to correct the status of a question
[11:58] <sinzui> micahcowan: Karma is a mysterious thing (and i hack on the source code). I do not know any more than you get points for interaction. Starting questions, and providing feedback does give the participants karma.
[11:58] <flacoste> micahcowan: the discussion with popey was about extending that to 'official' answer contacts
[11:58] <flacoste> micahcowan: which is a future feature where project managers can appoint answer contact
[11:59] <flacoste> micahcowan: for karma, see https://help.launchpad.net/KarmaCalculation
[11:59] <micahcowan> It is currently possible to appoint myself as a package answer contact... though perhaps you mean something more official than that.
[12:00] <popey> moo
[12:00] <flacoste> micahcowan: exactly, project manager will be able to review the list of self-appointed answer contacts and select the 'official' ones
[12:01] <flacoste> it will also be a way for users to have some "trust" in the answerers
[12:02] <micahcowan> :)