[07:59] <VincentH> hi there
[08:42] <catid> RAOF: LVM2 ate my PC :(
[08:43] <catid> RAOF: going to try to repair it byte by byte tonight..  basically i moved all the logical volumes off my external drive, then ran pvremove on the external drive
[08:43] <catid> RAOF: guess i needed to run pvmove even though there wasn't anything stored there, before pvremove
[08:44] <catid> RAOF: cuz now it refuses to boot unless the external drive with the right pv id exists
[08:44] <catid> just prints some hex code
[08:45] <RAOF> Awesome :)
[08:46] <catid> well before it messed up i tried reiser4 with compression..
[08:46] <RAOF> How did that go?
[08:46] <catid> i don't recommend it.. it causes a lot of io blocking for some kind of background kernel thread
[08:47] <catid> when it's not doing something behind the scenes it's pretty fast
[08:47] <RAOF> Heh.
[08:48] <catid> for example, when i ran WoW it took a lot of crunching to get it started, then while it had to hit the disk instead of being smooth it got laggy like in windows
[08:48] <catid> the compression saved about 6 gigs
[08:48] <catid> encryption isn't supported yet either.. it's in the code but there's no userland component
[08:49] <catid> so, i switched to XFS
[08:49] <RAOF> catid: 6 GB?  Out of how much (ie: what sort of ratio?)
[08:49] <RAOF> Ah, so you want your FS to die on power-outage :P
[08:49] <catid> oh, it was 6 GB saved from about 40 GB
[08:50] <RAOF> So ~ 10%?  That's not too good.
[08:50] <catid> could probably do better, but they don't try to compress very small files or files that "seem" incompressible
[08:51] <catid> i think it's because for programs like 7-zip or bz2 they combine blocks from small files, but they cannot do that with reiser4 easily
[08:51] <catid> also they cannot use something slow..  so just lzo or gzip
[08:52] <RAOF> Possibly not even that, because you also don't want to have to maintain a whole lot of state.
[08:52] <catid> would be more overhead yeah..
[08:52] <catid> i want to try out XFS because it's supposed to be great for huge multimedia files
[08:53] <catid> and i download a lot of TV shows
[08:53] <catid> there does appear to be a case or two where XFS causes FS corruption
[08:54] <catid> is that what you use for /home?
[08:54] <RAOF> Yup.  And /
[08:55] <RAOF> It has the mild bonus that grub can actually boot from it :P
[08:55] <catid> =)
[08:55] <catid> LVM2 is great.. just wish it wouldn't have let me mess my PC like that =(
[08:55] <catid> greetings Seveas
[09:34] <catid> to read the first sector of a disk: dd count=1 if=/dev/sda | xxd
[10:06] <MacSlow> greetings everybody!
[10:06] <RAOF> Howdie MacSlow!
[10:06] <RAOF> Made Cairo 20x faster yet?
[10:07] <MacSlow> indirectly I was able to yes :)
[10:08] <MacSlow> by installing the newest xserver, intel-video driver and enable EXA in xorg.conf
[10:08] <MacSlow> at least for some cases cairo got really nicely hardware accelerated
[10:08] <MacSlow> that experience gave me hope
[10:09] <RAOF> Awesome.  So the "EXA is slower than unaccelerated" bugs have been expunged from intel? :)
[10:11] <MacSlow> RAOF, not all XRender ("cairo") drawing-operations are fully accelerated yet... but I see a light at the end of the tunnel :)
[10:11] <RAOF> Yay for hardware acceleration of an awesome drawing framework!
[10:12] <MacSlow> RAOF, but there are still several pending issues
[10:13] <RAOF> Anything really bad?
[10:13] <catid> Cairo is not just for macs right? it's a 2d graphics library like directdraw was?
[10:13] <RAOF> It's an *awesome* 2d graphics library, yes.
[10:13] <MacSlow> RAOF, yes... there are still nasty issues remaining
[10:14] <RAOF> And where did you get the macs from?  OS:X uses a different (Quartz, IIRC) framework.
[10:14] <catid> the wiki says that Firefox 3.0 will be using it, so i hope that the hardware acceleration is available by then
[10:15] <RAOF> Oh, that'd be cool.  Yay for *cross-platform* awesome 2d graphics libraries :)
[10:15] <RAOF> I suppose it might be time for me to start trying out the nouveau drivers...
[10:15] <catid> umm.. "MacSlow" username and remembering something like Cairo/Quartz for its library
[10:17] <RAOF> catid: Ah.  AFAIK, Quartz is somewhat similar to Cario, I suppose since there's only so many ways you can design a vector-graphics interface :)
[10:17] <catid> heh
[10:18] <catid> using lde, found the disk structure related to the vg definition
[10:18] <mikkael> hey there, what will be the first noticable (?) difference to feisty when installing tribe 1 next month ?
[10:18] <crdlb> isn't glucose supposed to finally accelerate cairo?
[10:18] <RAOF> All sorts of things accelerate cairo.
[10:18] <crdlb> mikkael: tickless kernel
[10:18] <RAOF> You could build the glitz backend, and use OpenGL accel!
[10:18] <catid> from what i've read, the tickless kernel isn't noticeably different heh
[10:18] <mikkael> tickless comes with 2.6.21, right ?
[10:19] <catid> yeah
[10:19] <RAOF> I don't think there'll be anything amazingly super aweomely different.  Just newer versions of stuff.
[10:19] <mikkael> i did compile it, but compiling failed cause i was out of disc-space ;)
[10:20] <crdlb> RAOF: but glucose is supposed to be the ideal AccelMethod right?
[10:21] <catid> i'd love to see IngoM's CFS in the next Ubuntu release.. it doesn't have any known regressions and really is a noticeable difference
[10:22] <RAOF> crdlb: It's a cool accel method, certainly.
[10:22] <RAOF> Probably the most awesome, yes.
[10:24] <catid> hah
[10:24] <catid> reiser4 has left a tattoo on my disk
[10:25] <RAOF> Is it something cool, like a dragon?
[10:25] <catid> after i reformatted to xfs it left part of the header at 16000h
[10:27] <catid> Florida Stat U
[10:28] <catid> Florida: cannot stat `U': No such file or directory
[10:29] <RAOF> Bring me a U, stat!
[10:41] <catid> lol
[10:41] <catid> brb
[10:54] <_4strO> yop yop
[02:00] <gnomefreak> buz: no
[02:01] <buz> ah well i'll start out with feisty then
[02:01] <buz> (in a kvm ;)
[03:17] <bSON> hello
[03:18] <bSON> when i update bind9 to 9.4.1-1, i cannot connect to the internet anymore... do you know how to fix this?
[04:04] <sparrw> i think my ssh daemon has a timeout for idle connections.  how can i fix that?
[04:25] <bSON> repeat: when i update bind9 to 9.4.1-1, i cannot connect to the internet anymore... do you know how to fix this?
[04:26] <trujillo> Hi, i'm trying to customize Feisty LiveCD. Actually I want to install (download and install) some extra packages when the user choose to install the system on hard disk.
[04:27] <trujillo> Does anyone have some idea of how do it ? I believe that i have to change UBIQUITY ... but, I have not found where to change in the code , or some configuration file.
[04:29] <DeepB> try #ubuntu, this is only for Gusty
[04:30] <Hobbsee> trujillo: search the wiki for remastering cds or something.  it comes up fairly quickly
[04:45] <sparrw> i have a radeon 9000 mobility and X.org 7.2.0, am i screwed?
[06:56] <kick52[pm] > ah cool
[06:57] <kick52[pm] > i smaller channel
[06:57] <kick52[pm] > im getting an error installing yaboot to my firewire drive
[07:38] <totall_6_7> I am leaving a bug report but i thought i would post it here as well: The option under System...Preferences....Desktop Effects. If you make the mistake of enabling that just one time  it modifies the xorg.conf file and adds ....load "glx". which is fine if you are able to use the correct driver for your vid card
[07:38] <totall_6_7> but if you are not able to use the correct driver and you disable it the load "glx stays as being loaded which causes your system to slow wayyyy down. The only way to get it back is to manualy edit xorg
[07:39] <totall_6_7> i know that you guys think that is not a big deal editing a conf file, but if you are going to have a menu option for some thing it should undue what it does if you choose to opt out of that option
[07:53] <kick52[pm] > hello
[07:53] <kick52[pm] > how can i get yaboot to install on my firewire drive?
[08:26] <gnomefreak> kick52[pm] : join #ubuntu for help with feisty
[08:26] <gnomefreak> or edgy
[08:26] <kick52[pm] > i cant really
[08:26] <kick52[pm] > too many people
[08:26] <kick52[pm] > not wanting to help with ppc
[08:26] <gnomefreak> kick52[pm] : this is a support channel for only development versions of ubuntu
[08:27] <kick52[pm] > k
[08:27] <jorgp> heh
[08:36] <Dink> Anyone else having problems opening documents with writer ?
[11:23] <pierce> is there a set date for when pidgin will be added to gutsy?
[11:42] <geser> pierce: now - 6 hours
[11:42] <geser> !info pidgin gutsy
[11:42] <ubotu> Package pidgin does not exist in gutsy
[11:43] <geser> pierce: now - 6 hours
[11:43] <pierce> neato
[11:43] <geser> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/gutsy-changes/2007-May/001276.html
[11:44] <pierce> also, about a week ago, all my fonts got really big.  Am I just special, or did that happen to everyone?
[12:23] <jorgp> your special