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ubotuNew bug: #113700 in vnc (main) "very slow local desktop with VNC server on and no VNC connection" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11370012:15
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ubotuNew bug: #113704 in update-manager (main) "Could not initialize the package information" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11370412:40
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txwikingerAnybody here that can give me advise for triage?01:17
ubotuNew bug: #113706 in wine (universe) "automatic .exe filetype association when installing wine" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11370601:20
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deniz_ogu1Hi dear friends. I'm a relatively new bug triager. Want to learn something: Bug #9068. It is confirmed. Importance: Medium. Not assigned to anybody. Has 10 duplicates. First reported almost one and a half year ago. Is it normal? If its confirmed with 10 duplicates shouldn't we expect it to be assigned to someone and either to be tried to be solved or announced to be stayed as it is?01:39
ubotuLaunchpad bug 9068 in xorg "Serial mice are not autodetected" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/906801:39
micahcowandeniz_ogu1, It's not particularly abnormal... A lot depends on the severity of the bug.01:42
micahcowanAnd, since bug fixing for many things is volunteer-led, there is often no one to whom such bugs should be officially assigned. :(01:43
micahcowanGiven that this is an xorg bug, chances are there is a /team/ to whom it may be appropriate to assign this, but if that's the case, the team also probably actively monitors bugs on those packages.01:44
micahcowanChances are, that serial mice detection is not considered a crucial enough bug for people to prioritize over other work. :/01:44
micahcowanThere are way, way more bugs than fixers, and it's not too uncommon for a bug to kind of sit around for some time. We try to minimize that by getting bugs to where they need to be (mainly, by ensuring that they are at least assigned to the right package), but beyond that... we need more folks! :)01:45
robitailleThe Ubuntu X SWAT team is one of the subscriber of that bug.  So the Ubuntu X team is following that bug.01:45
micahcowanThat's about all one could ask for, then.01:46
deniz_ogu1micahcowan: 1.5 years after after initial report. Means almost 3 Ubuntu versions. If its not fixed yet it means it won't be fixed. And such things should be assigned to professionals more than volunteers I think. Anyway... so system works such. thank you for answering.01:46
micahcowandeniz_ogu1, yes, it's far from ideal... but without many more developers, it can't really be helped. One way to significantly improve a bug's chances of being fixed, is make sure to report it and track it upstream, when appropriate. In this way, we can increase the number of resources available to "develop for Ubuntu" :)  ...I'm assuming this is a bug upstream as well, so that'd apply here.01:50
micahcowanIn any large operation, though, there are always some low-priority bugs that just never get fixed. :/ Sometimes they're not all that low-priority, but that's the way of things...01:52
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ubotuNew bug: #113708 in Ubuntu "cannot use yahoo mail beta" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11370801:55
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micahcowandeniz_ogu1, looking closer at the bug, though, I note that the fix looks fairly straightforward. It is kind of a shame that no fix has been put in place :/01:58
deniz_ogu1micahcowan: Not for arguing but to express my feelings: That particular bug may be upstream relater but may not be as well because many distros using the same upstream things recognize serial mice. What's more, sending everytnig to upstream is not suitable. There was a very recent example of it. A bug related with, there's a crash when you try to open the terminal in xubuntu. Some friends send it to upstream xfce. In their bugzilla, they said this01:59
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micahcowanI agree that this one (upon closer inspection) may not be an upstream bug. Also, I neglected to stress that it is always important to first verify that it is/could strongly be an upstream bug before blindly submitting a bug to them. Asking about it on whatever mailing list/forum can be productive when in doubt, though.02:01
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deniz_ogu1micahcowan: What we say are not in conflict. I just wanted to ask if... Anyway... Thanks. We'll do all! :-)02:02
micahcowandeniz_ogu1, Oh, I agree. I didn't think we were arguing, either.  What did you want to ask? Also, you didn't finish your comment above, and I'm curious how the rest of it goes :)02:03
deniz_ogu1I come face to face with lets say 3 or 4 bugs in the recent days having similar problems. I'm planning to write a report on this situation to the friend telling about bug triaging during Open Week. This problem seems to be something else than triaging etc. Yes, we are in short of coders. But I feel that this proslem is not 100 % related with it. I'll write my observations.02:06
ubotuNew bug: #113709 in ltsp (main) "ltsp-build-client installs incorrect sources.list" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11370902:15
ubotuNew bug: #113710 in Ubuntu "HAL fails to initialize on startup.  hald takes all CPU." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11371002:20
ubotuNew bug: #113711 in Ubuntu "xine-based apps don't load any subtitles" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11371102:20
micahcowandeniz_ogu1, Well, I know that, personally (I am a bug fixer as well as triager), being an unpaid worker, I work exclusively on bugs that intrigue me or pique my interest. That tends to be things that are either (1) related to packages I really care about, (2) affect something I myself have experienced and would love to see changed, or (3) I either believe I could fix straightforwardly, or have an interest in learning how to fix the bu02:23
micahcowang. I imagine that this is true for most of the unpaid bug fixers out there, which would definitely cause severe clustering, as far as which bugs get fixed goes. I don't really see how this could be resolved easily, as (being a volunteer), I'm not particularly motivated to go hunt down the obscure bugs that I know are going to be a pain-in-the-butt to fix, or that don't affect me at all. :/02:23
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deniz_ogu1micahcowan: You are absolutly right for the volunteers and from your personal front. But lets have some mercy: xubuntu, a distro for low end machines ir some way doesn't recognize serial mice. 1.5 years and nobody says something. Even, "No, we won't fix it" will be an answer as well. The other, xubuntu has no proper working *terminal* at the moment and its send to upstream and tpey say that its not their job etc. Even if its related with upbtream 02:33
micahcowanWhen you say at the moment, do you mean 7.04?02:35
deniz_ogu1sure.02:36
ubotuNew bug: #113713 in Ubuntu "lvm snapshot on top of md raid 1 causes nearly 100% cpu usage" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11371302:36
deniz_ogu1feisty.02:36
deniz_ogu1let me check the bug number.02:36
micahcowanOuch. Was there /no one/ actually testing xubuntu during beta, then?02:36
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deniz_ogu1micahcowan: Bug #91849. Has 4 duplicates. Confirmed. There are also complains in Forums. Sent to upstream. Upstream says its not their job. Result: A Linux distro without terminal! Most probably mentality works like this: Everybody knows how to install another terminal tool. And its importance is "unknown"! Is it a serous manner? What I expect: The leading guys/girls say something/solve pnoblem, at least say something there in the bug area about w02:46
ubotuLaunchpad bug 91849 in xfce4-terminal "i810 + xorg = xfce crashes when opening terminal" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/9184902:46
micahcowandeniz_ogu1, well, the importance of a vast majority of bugs are never set to anything other than "unknown", as only qa and developers are authorized to change them. But this would seem to indicate that no developers have looked at the bug much :/02:51
micahcowanI'd agree that it's an important bug. The xfce developer makes some good points, though, as to why the bug is not xfce's. Upstream for this bug would seem to be xorg.02:52
deniz_ogu1L feel the same way. And apart from individual bugs, this is a problem.02:52
micahcowanIf support is really a serious issue for xubuntu, it may be time to consider no longer producing it, if we can't keep it to a minimal standard of quality :(02:53
deniz_ogu1but xubuntu is a very good product. and the world need it.02:54
micahcowanWhy wasn't it ever brought up in any of the development discussion forums, though (or was it)? I would've thought that this would qualify as a show-stopper, for Feisty...02:54
deniz_ogu1We should solve the problems. We will, I belive.02:54
deniz_ogu1And remember: That serial mice thing was not related with xubuntu in particular, ubuntu in general. But I mentioned xubuntu under that topic, for its expected xubuntu give the best service to low end machines.02:55
ubotuNew bug: #113715 in Ubuntu "Partition tool in installer refreshes unnecessarily " [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11371502:55
micahcowandeniz_ogu1, agreed. But Xubuntu Feisty should never have been released officially under these circumstances, seems to me. If it wasn't worth holding up the other *buntus, then at least it should have been considered to postpone Xubuntu's next "official" release until such a time as it was basically functional?02:55
deniz_ogu1Anyway, I took your time. We'll solve all these problem. Believe me. We will. :-)02:55
micahcowandeniz_ogu1, yes: but I think the difference in audience is in significant. Considering ubuntu exclusively, I'd probably consider the serial thing a "low" priority bug, whereas in Xubuntu I'd probably consider it "medium" to "high". The xfce4-terminal/xorg thing would probably be a "critical".02:56
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micahcowandeniz_ogu1, :)02:56
deniz_ogu1micahcowan: What can I say? Lets solve suchp issues as a community.02:56
micahcowanYou didn't take anything I didn't give. :)02:57
deniz_ogu1micahcowan: Nice to meet you and thanks for inspiring me.02:57
TeTeTI'm currently browsing the documentation for bughelper, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugHelper/doc/getting-started, can anyone enlighten me on which URL to use for sftp access to the repo?02:57
micahcowanYou're welcome, and thanks for sharing. Also and especially, thank you for taking the "let's solve such issues as a community" attitude, instead of the all-too-common, and somewhat understandable but completely unaddressable, "that's broken? Wow, ubuntu suxors" approach. :)02:58
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ubotuNew bug: #113716 in gxine (main) "gxine kills X server and causes blank screen" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11371603:00
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ubotuNew bug: #113719 in ubiquity (main) "Edubuntu Feisty Desktop CD install doesn't install the education suite" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11371903:21
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ubotuNew bug: #113742 in xserver-xgl (universe) "Compiz textures get lost (glDeleteTextures problem) [patch] " [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11374206:10
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persiaDoes anyone know where I would file a bug about patches.ubuntu.com?07:16
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ubotuNew bug: #113743 in gnome-panel (main) "after new update the screen is only 800x600 " [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11374307:20
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ubotuNew bug: #113745 in adept (main) "[apport]  adept_notifier crashed with signal 7 in debTranslationsIndex::FindInCache()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11374507:50
ubotuNew bug: #113746 in nautilus (main) "Small bug when removing a pattern in the Backgrounds and Emblems window." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11374607:56
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ubotuNew bug: #113749 in gnome-games (main) "utf-8 problem in Golf game of AisleRiot" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11374908:10
ubotuNew bug: #113750 in Ubuntu "[needs-packaging]  xfce4-time-out-plugin" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11375008:25
ubotuNew bug: #113751 in xchat (universe) "[apport]  xchat crashed with SIGSEGV in g_closure_ref()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11375108:30
ubotuNew bug: #113753 in signing-party (universe) "Please stop depending on mailx (or recommend nullmailer instead of exim4)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11375308:46
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ubotuNew bug: #113755 in acpi-support (main) "pccard network interface is lost on resume (+ fix)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11375508:51
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ubotuNew bug: #113756 in gs-common (main) "Please sync gs-common (main) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11375608:56
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ubotuNew bug: #113759 in bzip2 (main) "[apport]  bzip2 crashed with signal 25 in __kernel_vsyscall()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11375909:20
ubotuNew bug: #113760 in openoffice.org (main) "ooo crashes with MS Office document" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11376009:26
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ubotuNew bug: #113761 in linux-source-2.6.20 (main) "Kernel Oops in pktcdvd" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11376109:31
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ubotuNew bug: #113764 in Ubuntu "no sound on ATI SB450 HDA Audio" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11376409:35
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dholbachgood morning09:39
ubotuNew bug: #113757 in Ubuntu "no update capabilities " [Low,Rejected]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11375709:40
thekornhola dholbach09:42
dholbachheya thekorn - comment a va?09:42
thekornca va bien09:42
dholbach:-)09:43
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ubotuNew bug: #113768 in apt (main) "Errors during apt-get upgrade of Ubuntu 6.10" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11376810:10
ubotuNew bug: #113769 in network-manager (main) "n-m gets confused about static interfaces" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11376910:10
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ubotuNew bug: #113772 in kdelibs (main) "[apport]  kdeinit crashed with SIGSEGV" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11377210:41
ubotuNew bug: #113773 in cupsys (main) "Cupsys has created 4.6 gb of log files in my /var/log/cups " [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11377310:41
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ubotuNew bug: #113776 in network-manager (main) "DNS entries mismatch and loss when switching from network (resolv.conf not updated)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11377611:00
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ubotuNew bug: #113777 in hwdb-client (main) "[apport]  hwdb-gui crashed with GError in draw_header()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11377711:21
ubotuNew bug: #113778 in hostname (main) "Changing hostname using "hostname" breaks sudo" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11377811:21
Hobbseebug 11375311:23
ubotuLaunchpad bug 113753 in signing-party "Please stop depending on mailx (or recommend nullmailer instead of exim4)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11375311:23
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masterbuilderHello11:58
masterbuilderI'm a newbie11:58
masterbuilderI have a problem with my notebook11:58
masterbuilderafter some minutes it shuts down because of "critical temperature reached"11:59
masterbuildercan somebody help me?11:59
masterbuildersomebody here?11:59
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ubotuNew bug: #113780 in usplash (main) "Depends on usplash-theme-debian, but it is not present" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11378012:01
persiamasterbuilder: You may get better support in #ubuntu.12:03
BugMaNmasterbuilder: join #ubuntu12:03
crimsunmasterbuilder: please narrow your search using http://preview.tinyurl.com/3c3ybu12:05
ubotuNew bug: #113781 in Ubuntu "[needs-packaging]  grecipe-manager" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11378112:06
ubotuNew bug: #113782 in vlc (universe) "[apport]  vlc crashed with SIGSEGV" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11378212:06
ubotuNew bug: #113783 in control-center (main) "[apport]  gnome-theme-manager crashed with SIGSEGV" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11378312:06
masterbuilderthanks bye!12:06
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ubotuNew bug: #113784 in Ubuntu "[needs-packaging]  gscanpdf" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11378412:10
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ubotuNew bug: #113785 in Ubuntu "[needs-packaging]  Screenlets" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11378512:25
ubotuNew bug: #113786 in apt (main) "/etc/cron.daily/apt fails to autoclean (fix included)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11378612:30
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ubotuNew bug: #113787 in ndisgtk (universe) "[apport]  ndisgtk crashed with AttributeError in get_driver_list()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11378712:40
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kbrooksbug 11369112:44
ubotuLaunchpad bug 113691 in Ubuntu "lexmark x2470 not supported on ubuntu" [Undecided,Rejected]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11369112:44
ubotuNew bug: #113788 in gimp (main) "Gimp quits when "save as" dialog opens" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11378812:45
ubotuNew bug: #113789 in kdeaddons (main) "servicemenue convert images has problems with dots in pathnames" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11378912:50
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ubotuNew bug: #113790 in gnome-volume-manager (main) "Encrypted USB is owned by root" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11379012:56
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ubotuNew bug: #113791 in glibc (main) "ftello64 not working with large files" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11379101:01
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ubotuNew bug: #113793 in Ubuntu "error in terminal after upgrading to Feisty" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11379301:15
ubotuNew bug: #113794 in firefox (main) "[apport]  firefox-bin crashed with SIGSEGV in __kernel_vsyscall()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11379401:15
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gregSo I've been using Kubuntu for a while now and whenever I encounter a problem or a bug I've written it down but now I have a pile of them and I'm not sure how to go about reporting them.  How do I decide where to put them?01:25
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gnomefreak!bugs | greg01:26
ubotugreg: If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots01:26
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gregIs this a decent bug report or did I not give enough information? Its bug #113799.  I'm new to this.01:37
ubotuLaunchpad bug 113799 in Ubuntu "Default soundcard changed on hard poweroff" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11379901:37
Arbygreg: can you reproduce it easily?01:41
Arbyalso it would be good to give more details on what soundcards you have.01:41
Arbygreg: you should specify what make/model of computer you have as well.01:43
gregI can give more details on the soundcards.01:43
gregI couldn't find any way of fixing it other than disabling the on board sound in the BIOS which would make reproducing it hard.01:44
Arbyso it doesn't happen everytime you do a hard reboot?01:44
Arbyif you leave the onboard sound enabled01:45
gregYou mean it doesn't switch back to the original default?01:45
gregNo, it doesn't.01:45
gregAfter the original switch it stayed with the on board sound.01:45
ubotuNew bug: #113798 in Ubuntu "NoteEdit Crashes upon startup" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11379801:46
ubotuNew bug: #113799 in Ubuntu "Default soundcard changed on hard poweroff" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11379901:46
ArbyOK well just give some more specs on your hardware for now.01:46
gregJust add them as comments in the bug report?01:46
Arbyyes01:46
gregJust soundcard and motherboard type and the type of onboard sound okay, you think?01:47
Arbyit's a good start01:47
gregOkay.  Thanks.01:48
Arbyif you have a particular brand/model of computer that would also be useful to know01:48
gregIts from parts.01:48
ArbyOK01:48
Arbynot relevant then01:48
gregTook me a long while to figure out why the sound stopped working as I hadn't changed anything.01:49
Arbyif you could reproduce it then have a look in /var/log and check the various logs01:49
Arbydmesg, syslog, boot etc01:49
gregI don't really know what I'd be looking for...01:49
Arbythen just attch them to the bug report01:50
Arbyand let someone who does know have a look :)01:50
gregWould anything relevant still be in the logs a bunch of reboots later?01:50
Arbyprobably not01:50
Arbythat's why you'd need to reproduce it01:51
Arbyanyway, that'll do for now01:51
Arbythanks for taking the time to report it :)01:51
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gregThanks for giving me a hand.  I've got a whole list of them to report.  I've written down all the problems I've had since I started using Ubuntu.01:52
Arbygreg: no problem01:53
Arbyhave a look here https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs01:54
Arbyand related links01:54
Arbyit'll help you know what is good information to give for different types of bug01:54
Arbylog files are always good01:55
Arbyask here if you don't know which ones are relevant01:55
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ubotuNew bug: #113800 in totem (main) "Don't play avi files" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11380001:56
gregOkay.  I'll have a go at reproducing that bug again later and see what I can find...you said dmesg, syslog and boot?01:56
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Arbythe first two yes, have a look at boot and see if you see any mention of your sound card01:57
ArbyI'm not so sure about that one01:58
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gregI'm going to go for a bit to do a few reboots.  I'll add what I find, if anything, to the report.  Cheers.02:00
Arbygood luck :)02:00
ubotuNew bug: #113801 in ltsp (main) "ltsp-build-client insists on messing with /opt" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11380102:00
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ubotuNew bug: #113802 in amarok (main) "amarok crashes on startup" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11380202:05
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ubotuNew bug: #113803 in python-scientific (universe) "Python-netcdf crashes in Feisty" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11380302:15
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ubotuNew bug: #113795 in Ubuntu "Gim crash report virus" [Undecided,Rejected]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11379502:51
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ubotuNew bug: #113804 in cinepaint (universe) "[apport]  shadow_bevel.py crashed with ImportError in <module>()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11380403:05
ubotuNew bug: #113805 in cinepaint (universe) "[apport]  whirlpinch.py crashed with ImportError in <module>()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11380503:05
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ubotuNew bug: #113806 in cinepaint (universe) "[apport]  sphere.py crashed with ImportError in <module>()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11380603:10
ubotuNew bug: #113807 in cinepaint (universe) "[apport]  gimpcons.py crashed with ImportError in <module>()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11380703:10
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ubotuNew bug: #113808 in beryl-core (universe) "[apport]  beryl crashed with SIGSEGV in KIPC::sendMessageAll()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11380803:20
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ubotuNew bug: #113810 in kdelibs (main) "[apport]  kdeinit crashed with SIGSEGV" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11381003:46
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ubotuNew bug: #113811 in firefox (main) "Firefox tab-switching hotkeys don't work" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11381103:50
ubotuNew bug: #113812 in kdebase (main) "[apport]  kdm crashed with SIGSEGV in XSetAuthorization()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11381203:55
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ubotuNew bug: #113815 in xorg-server (main) "x freezes sporadically" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11381504:11
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ubotuNew bug: #113816 in Ubuntu "wlan0 device not ready - can't set essid -workaround" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11381604:20
ubotuNew bug: #113817 in knetworkmanager (main) "knm does not list all accesspoints with similar essid " [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11381704:20
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ubotuNew bug: #113818 in mplayer (multiverse) "MPlayer is not working" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11381804:25
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ubotuNew bug: #113819 in wine (universe) "wine sun-java5 sun-java6 firefox netbeans crash" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11381904:30
ubotuNew bug: #113820 in cinepaint (universe) "[apport]  pdbbrowse.py crashed with ImportError in <module>()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11382004:36
ubotuNew bug: #113821 in ltsp (main) "nbdswapd leaves stale processes and swapfiles behind on the ltsp server" [Undecided,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11382104:41
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ubotuNew bug: #113822 in Ubuntu "info-splats when mousing over menus How 2 kill off?" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11382204:46
ubotuNew bug: #113824 in firefox (main) "firefox crashed" [Medium,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11382404:50
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ubotuNew bug: #113826 in thunderbird (main) "save as horribly broken in latest thunderbird" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11382604:55
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ubotuNew bug: #113828 in italc (universe) "Show demo on edubuntu(Ltsp)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11382805:06
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ubotuNew bug: #113830 in Ubuntu "Logitech USB headset workaround failed" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11383005:11
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ubotuNew bug: #113831 in gnome-gv (universe) "eats up all of system's memory with certain eps file" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11383105:15
ubotuNew bug: #113833 in splashy (universe) "splashy crashed when I run "splashy test"" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11383305:20
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ubotuNew bug: #113836 in mozilla-bonobo (universe) "crashes trying to load a .doc file from web page" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11383605:35
ubotuNew bug: #113837 in php5 (main) "SOAP module crashes php" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11383705:46
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psusibdmurray: hi there... I'm trying to get fixed up so I can set the priority of bugs on the dmraid package, being a member of ubuntu-dmraid... could you help me out?05:48
bdmurraypsusi: probably.  have you done much bug triaging?05:48
psusibdmurray: depends on how you define much... I've been doing some lately, and fixing quite a few bugs... I've been added to the ubuntu-dmraid group which is a bug contact for the dmraid package as it is something of a field of expertise05:49
psusiand of course, I have read the triaging wiki05:51
ubotuNew bug: #113839 in gtk2-engines-xfce (main) "Please sync gtk2-engines-xfce (main) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11383905:51
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bdmurraypsusi: could you make a list of a few of your best ones?05:53
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psusihrm... sure...05:53
bdmurraythanks05:54
ubotuNew bug: #113841 in xsane (main) "xsane copy setup is as clear as mud" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11384105:55
ubotuNew bug: #113842 in upgrade-system (universe) "error in upgrade Breezy to Dapper - no section distro" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11384205:55
ubotuNew bug: #113843 in xaralx (multiverse) "[apport]  xarasvgfilter crashed with SIGSEGV in wcslen()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11384305:55
ubotuNew bug: #113840 in obexserver (universe) "dependency not resolved: libopenobex-1.0-0 " [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11384005:56
psusibugs #60894, #24692, #112402, #6829405:58
ubotuLaunchpad bug 60894 in reiserfsprogs "mkfs.reiserfs creates an unmountable file system" [Undecided,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/6089405:58
ubotuLaunchpad bug 24692 in Ubuntu "Amd64 ubuntu build hogs memory due to badly built libs" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/2469205:58
ubotuLaunchpad bug 112402 in dmraid "Fasttrack Promise not recognized: "No RAID disks"" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11240205:58
ubotuLaunchpad bug 68294 in dmraid "Please backport dmraid to edgy - works in feisty" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/6829405:58
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psusithat last one I think should be changed to high priority as it is a severe problem, even if only for a few...06:00
ubotuNew bug: #113844 in gnome-panel (main) "cube not working after open the desktop effects." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11384406:00
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bdmurraypsusi: is there a reason 112402 is still assigned to you?06:05
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psusihrm.... is there a reason to unassign it?06:08
bdmurrayassignment indicates that you are working on it to a degree and the patch looks complete right?06:09
a7phi everyone, I want to write a bugreport for gajim - but I do not know how to write the "--verbose" output into a file ... it's not written to stdout, nor to stderr - henche not forwardable via 2> or > ... but it get's displayed in the terminal.06:09
bdmurraya7p: try piping it to tee06:09
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ubotuNew bug: #113845 in Ubuntu "Unlock keychain invisible when desktop effects are enabled" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11384506:11
a7p$ gajim --verbose | less shows less first, but then starts writing messages onto the screen which are not scrollable  ... - ctrl-c quits gajim and then shows me an empty less.06:11
psusibdmurray: ?06:18
a7pbddebian, tee I allready tried ... does not work ...06:18
bdmurraypsusi: Is there still more work for you to do on that bug?06:19
ubotuNew bug: #113846 in adept (main) "Adept notifier with pinning" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11384606:21
psusibdmurray: I don't think so... fix is released06:21
bdmurrayfor 112402?06:21
psusierr, fix uploaded.... waiting sponsor to upload06:24
psusioops... I forgot to change the status... it shouldn't be needs info06:25
ubotuNew bug: #113847 in totem (main) "[apport]  totem-plugin-viewer crashed with SIGSEGV" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11384706:25
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psusithere we go.. fix committed... waiting sponsor upload, then will go to fix released06:26
bdmurraypsusi: okay, cool06:27
bdmurrayThanks for helping out and welcome to the QA team.06:28
psusicool... thanks....06:29
bdmurraytake care, I'm off for the night06:29
psusihrm.... where'd that bug fix I did to defrag go?  hrm...06:29
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ubotuNew bug: #113851 in amarok (main) "[apport]  amarokcollectionscanner crashed with SIGSEGV in QPixmap::convertFromImage()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11385106:51
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ubotuNew bug: #113852 in Ubuntu "[needs-packaging]  Minbar" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11385206:55
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ubotuNew bug: #113854 in vbetool (main) "[apport]  vbetool crashed with signal 5" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11385407:01
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ubotuNew bug: #113855 in wammu (universe) "wammu will not start.  I've tried installing everything it says is required, but it crashes and crashes" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11385507:10
ubotuNew bug: #113856 in k9copy (universe) "K9copy has encountered an error on authorizing" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11385607:10
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ubotuNew bug: #113857 in gnome-applets (main) "Trash Panel Applet should behave more consistent and sane" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11385707:15
ubotuNew bug: #113858 in totem (main) "toten gloon display freezes after changing timing control" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11385807:15
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ubotuNew bug: #113859 in linux-source-2.6.20 (main) "(graphics-related?) lockup in feisty" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11385907:20
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ubotuNew bug: #113860 in k9copy (universe) "K9copy has encountered an error on authorizing" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11386007:26
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ubotuNew bug: #113862 in gnome-volume-manager (main) "Volume and quality problems with ICH6 audio cards" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11386207:40
ubotuNew bug: #113863 in iptables (main) "iptables command lack support for CLUSTERIP target" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11386307:40
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ubotuNew bug: #113864 in sbackup (universe) "Display password in cleartext" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11386407:46
ubotuNew bug: #113865 in xmotd (universe) "MOTD crashes upon starting" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11386507:46
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ubotuNew bug: #113866 in beryl-core (universe) "beryl crash" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11386607:50
ubotuNew bug: #113867 in f-spot (main) "Filename changed when uploading images  to Picasaweb" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11386707:50
ubotuNew bug: #113869 in Ubuntu "Desktop Affects option" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11386907:55
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ubotuNew bug: #113870 in octave2.1-forge (universe) "feisty, package octave-forge2.1: missing sparse.oct" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11387008:01
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ubotuNew bug: #113871 in gnomebaker (universe) "[feisty]  Gnomebaker crashes when trying to burn a CD iso image" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11387108:15
ubotuNew bug: #113872 in xen-tools (universe) "merge xen-tools 3.2 from debian unstable" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11387208:15
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ubotuNew bug: #113873 in samba (main) "[apport]  net crashed with SIGSEGV in run_rpc_command() (dup-of: 112824)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11387308:30
ubotuNew bug: #113875 in Ubuntu "cannot play vp6 video in totem/gstreamer" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11387508:36
ubotuNew bug: #113876 in gmpc (universe) "HTML tag "<b>" instead of "</b>" in "Song information" window (French version)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11387608:36
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ubotuNew bug: #113874 in ubiquity (main) "Installer Crashed" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11387408:41
ubotuNew bug: #113878 in gnome-terminal (main) "Display glitch with transparent backgroud" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11387808:46
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ubotuNew bug: #113879 in qemu (universe) "[apport]  qemu crashed with SIGSEGV after trying to boot kernel without specifiying root device" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11387908:55
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ubotuNew bug: #113880 in amarok (main) "sound not heard" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11388009:05
ubotuNew bug: #113881 in gdm (main) "When change user start sound repeat all the time" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11388109:10
ubotuNew bug: #113882 in konversation (main) "9th time konversation had segatefault crash" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11388209:15
ubotuNew bug: #113883 in Ubuntu "Update Manager Crashes on loading" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11388309:15
Admiral_Chicagobug #9947309:18
ubotuLaunchpad bug 99473 in ubuntu-docs "Wrong reference in keeping-safe document" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/9947309:18
Admiral_Chicagobug #9946309:18
ubotuLaunchpad bug 99463 in ubuntu-docs "Wrong reference to a button in add-applications" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/9946309:18
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ubotugnome-doc-utils: a collection of documentation utilities for the Gnome project. In component main, is optional. Version 0.6.1-3 (stable), package size 168 kB, installed size 1528 kB09:21
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ubotugnome-doc-utils: a collection of documentation utilities for the Gnome project. In component main, is optional. Version 0.10.3-0ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 183 kB, installed size 2812 kB09:22
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ubotuNew bug: #113884 in Ubuntu "Thermal trip points too low" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11388409:26
ubotuNew bug: #113885 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22 (restricted) "Wrong resolution detected in DVI (and not in VGA)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11388509:32
ubotuNew bug: #113886 in mime-support (main) "Office 2007 mime types" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11388609:40
ubotuNew bug: #113887 in apparmor (universe) "appamor module conflicts with other module "capabilty"" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11388709:40
ubotuNew bug: #113888 in azureus (universe) "merge azureus azureus-2.5.0.0+0 from debian unstable" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11388809:45
ubotuNew bug: #113889 in Ubuntu "Ubuntu needs the Liberation Fonts" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11388909:45
ubotuNew bug: #113890 in gnome-app-install (main) "[apport]  gnome-app-install crashed with ImportError in <module>()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11389009:45
ubotuNew bug: #113891 in libqalculate (universe) "qalculate makes mistakes in factoring" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11389109:50
ubotuNew bug: #113892 in Ubuntu "Terratec EWX 24/96 soundcard not working after installation" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11389209:55
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ubotuNew bug: #113893 in amarok (main) "[apport]  amarokcollectionscanner crashed with SIGSEGV in QPixmap::convertFromImage()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11389310:01
ubotuNew bug: #113894 in gnome-media (main) "[apport]  gnome-volume-control crashed with SIGSEGV" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11389410:06
ubotuNew bug: #113895 in firefox (main) "[apport]  firefox-bin crashed with SIGSEGV in __kernel_vsyscall()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11389510:06
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ubotuNew bug: #113896 in openoffice.org (main) "Openoffice base unixodbc "Invalid cursor state"" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11389610:25
ubotuNew bug: #113898 in compiz (main) "[apport]  compiz.real crashed with SIGSEGV" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11389810:25
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ubotuNew bug: #113897 in blender (universe) "Blender probably doesn't use some OpenGL extensions" [Medium,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11389710:30
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ubotuNew bug: #113900 in Ubuntu "Thin Client Manager locks up" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11390011:00
ubotuNew bug: #113902 in gajim (universe) "No reconnect upon disconnect" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11390211:00
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ubotuNew bug: #113903 in upgrade-system (universe) "can't update from 6.06 to 6.10" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11390311:05
ubotuNew bug: #113904 in Ubuntu "install ubuntu on pc hp dv4000 display problem" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11390411:05
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ubotuNew bug: #113905 in Ubuntu "Asus F3JC and suspend to ram" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11390511:16
ubotuNew bug: #113906 in kdepim (main) "Kontakt crashes in kmail imap after few minutes" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11390611:26
ubotuNew bug: #113907 in kdelibs (main) "[apport]  kdeinit crashed with SIGSEGV" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11390711:30
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