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[12:15] <ubotu> New bug: #113700 in vnc (main) "very slow local desktop with VNC server on and no VNC connection" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/113700
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[12:40] <ubotu> New bug: #113704 in update-manager (main) "Could not initialize the package information" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/113704
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[01:17] <txwikinger> Anybody here that can give me advise for triage?
[01:20] <ubotu> New bug: #113706 in wine (universe) "automatic .exe filetype association when installing wine" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/113706
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[01:39] <deniz_ogu1> Hi dear friends. I'm a relatively new bug triager. Want to learn something: Bug #9068. It is confirmed. Importance: Medium. Not assigned to anybody. Has 10 duplicates. First reported almost one and a half year ago. Is it normal? If its confirmed with 10 duplicates shouldn't we expect it to be assigned to someone and either to be tried to be solved or announced to be stayed as it is?
[01:39] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 9068 in xorg "Serial mice are not autodetected" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/9068
[01:42] <micahcowan> deniz_ogu1, It's not particularly abnormal... A lot depends on the severity of the bug.
[01:43] <micahcowan> And, since bug fixing for many things is volunteer-led, there is often no one to whom such bugs should be officially assigned. :(
[01:44] <micahcowan> Given that this is an xorg bug, chances are there is a /team/ to whom it may be appropriate to assign this, but if that's the case, the team also probably actively monitors bugs on those packages.
[01:44] <micahcowan> Chances are, that serial mice detection is not considered a crucial enough bug for people to prioritize over other work. :/
[01:45] <micahcowan> There are way, way more bugs than fixers, and it's not too uncommon for a bug to kind of sit around for some time. We try to minimize that by getting bugs to where they need to be (mainly, by ensuring that they are at least assigned to the right package), but beyond that... we need more folks! :)
[01:45] <robitaille> The Ubuntu X SWAT team is one of the subscriber of that bug.  So the Ubuntu X team is following that bug.
[01:46] <micahcowan> That's about all one could ask for, then.
[01:46] <deniz_ogu1> micahcowan: 1.5 years after after initial report. Means almost 3 Ubuntu versions. If its not fixed yet it means it won't be fixed. And such things should be assigned to professionals more than volunteers I think. Anyway... so system works such. thank you for answering.
[01:50] <micahcowan> deniz_ogu1, yes, it's far from ideal... but without many more developers, it can't really be helped. One way to significantly improve a bug's chances of being fixed, is make sure to report it and track it upstream, when appropriate. In this way, we can increase the number of resources available to "develop for Ubuntu" :)  ...I'm assuming this is a bug upstream as well, so that'd apply here.
[01:52] <micahcowan> In any large operation, though, there are always some low-priority bugs that just never get fixed. :/ Sometimes they're not all that low-priority, but that's the way of things...
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[01:55] <ubotu> New bug: #113708 in Ubuntu "cannot use yahoo mail beta" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/113708
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[01:58] <micahcowan> deniz_ogu1, looking closer at the bug, though, I note that the fix looks fairly straightforward. It is kind of a shame that no fix has been put in place :/
[01:59] <deniz_ogu1> micahcowan: Not for arguing but to express my feelings: That particular bug may be upstream relater but may not be as well because many distros using the same upstream things recognize serial mice. What's more, sending everytnig to upstream is not suitable. There was a very recent example of it. A bug related with, there's a crash when you try to open the terminal in xubuntu. Some friends send it to upstream xfce. In their bugzilla, they said this
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[02:01] <micahcowan> I agree that this one (upon closer inspection) may not be an upstream bug. Also, I neglected to stress that it is always important to first verify that it is/could strongly be an upstream bug before blindly submitting a bug to them. Asking about it on whatever mailing list/forum can be productive when in doubt, though.
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[02:02] <deniz_ogu1> micahcowan: What we say are not in conflict. I just wanted to ask if... Anyway... Thanks. We'll do all! :-)
[02:03] <micahcowan> deniz_ogu1, Oh, I agree. I didn't think we were arguing, either.  What did you want to ask? Also, you didn't finish your comment above, and I'm curious how the rest of it goes :)
[02:06] <deniz_ogu1> I come face to face with lets say 3 or 4 bugs in the recent days having similar problems. I'm planning to write a report on this situation to the friend telling about bug triaging during Open Week. This problem seems to be something else than triaging etc. Yes, we are in short of coders. But I feel that this proslem is not 100 % related with it. I'll write my observations.
[02:15] <ubotu> New bug: #113709 in ltsp (main) "ltsp-build-client installs incorrect sources.list" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/113709
[02:20] <ubotu> New bug: #113710 in Ubuntu "HAL fails to initialize on startup.  hald takes all CPU." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/113710
[02:20] <ubotu> New bug: #113711 in Ubuntu "xine-based apps don't load any subtitles" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/113711
[02:23] <micahcowan> deniz_ogu1, Well, I know that, personally (I am a bug fixer as well as triager), being an unpaid worker, I work exclusively on bugs that intrigue me or pique my interest. That tends to be things that are either (1) related to packages I really care about, (2) affect something I myself have experienced and would love to see changed, or (3) I either believe I could fix straightforwardly, or have an interest in learning how to fix the bu
[02:23] <micahcowan> g. I imagine that this is true for most of the unpaid bug fixers out there, which would definitely cause severe clustering, as far as which bugs get fixed goes. I don't really see how this could be resolved easily, as (being a volunteer), I'm not particularly motivated to go hunt down the obscure bugs that I know are going to be a pain-in-the-butt to fix, or that don't affect me at all. :/
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[02:33] <deniz_ogu1> micahcowan: You are absolutly right for the volunteers and from your personal front. But lets have some mercy: xubuntu, a distro for low end machines ir some way doesn't recognize serial mice. 1.5 years and nobody says something. Even, "No, we won't fix it" will be an answer as well. The other, xubuntu has no proper working *terminal* at the moment and its send to upstream and tpey say that its not their job etc. Even if its related with upbtream 
[02:35] <micahcowan> When you say at the moment, do you mean 7.04?
[02:36] <deniz_ogu1> sure.
[02:36] <ubotu> New bug: #113713 in Ubuntu "lvm snapshot on top of md raid 1 causes nearly 100% cpu usage" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/113713
[02:36] <deniz_ogu1> feisty.
[02:36] <deniz_ogu1> let me check the bug number.
[02:36] <micahcowan> Ouch. Was there /no one/ actually testing xubuntu during beta, then?
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[02:46] <deniz_ogu1> micahcowan: Bug #91849. Has 4 duplicates. Confirmed. There are also complains in Forums. Sent to upstream. Upstream says its not their job. Result: A Linux distro without terminal! Most probably mentality works like this: Everybody knows how to install another terminal tool. And its importance is "unknown"! Is it a serous manner? What I expect: The leading guys/girls say something/solve pnoblem, at least say something there in the bug area about w
[02:46] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 91849 in xfce4-terminal "i810 + xorg = xfce crashes when opening terminal" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/91849
[02:51] <micahcowan> deniz_ogu1, well, the importance of a vast majority of bugs are never set to anything other than "unknown", as only qa and developers are authorized to change them. But this would seem to indicate that no developers have looked at the bug much :/
[02:52] <micahcowan> I'd agree that it's an important bug. The xfce developer makes some good points, though, as to why the bug is not xfce's. Upstream for this bug would seem to be xorg.
[02:52] <deniz_ogu1> L feel the same way. And apart from individual bugs, this is a problem.
[02:53] <micahcowan> If support is really a serious issue for xubuntu, it may be time to consider no longer producing it, if we can't keep it to a minimal standard of quality :(
[02:54] <deniz_ogu1> but xubuntu is a very good product. and the world need it.
[02:54] <micahcowan> Why wasn't it ever brought up in any of the development discussion forums, though (or was it)? I would've thought that this would qualify as a show-stopper, for Feisty...
[02:54] <deniz_ogu1> We should solve the problems. We will, I belive.
[02:55] <deniz_ogu1> And remember: That serial mice thing was not related with xubuntu in particular, ubuntu in general. But I mentioned xubuntu under that topic, for its expected xubuntu give the best service to low end machines.
[02:55] <ubotu> New bug: #113715 in Ubuntu "Partition tool in installer refreshes unnecessarily " [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/113715
[02:55] <micahcowan> deniz_ogu1, agreed. But Xubuntu Feisty should never have been released officially under these circumstances, seems to me. If it wasn't worth holding up the other *buntus, then at least it should have been considered to postpone Xubuntu's next "official" release until such a time as it was basically functional?
[02:55] <deniz_ogu1> Anyway, I took your time. We'll solve all these problem. Believe me. We will. :-)
[02:56] <micahcowan> deniz_ogu1, yes: but I think the difference in audience is in significant. Considering ubuntu exclusively, I'd probably consider the serial thing a "low" priority bug, whereas in Xubuntu I'd probably consider it "medium" to "high". The xfce4-terminal/xorg thing would probably be a "critical".
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[02:56] <micahcowan> deniz_ogu1, :)
[02:56] <deniz_ogu1> micahcowan: What can I say? Lets solve suchp issues as a community.
[02:57] <micahcowan> You didn't take anything I didn't give. :)
[02:57] <deniz_ogu1> micahcowan: Nice to meet you and thanks for inspiring me.
[02:57] <TeTeT> I'm currently browsing the documentation for bughelper, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugHelper/doc/getting-started, can anyone enlighten me on which URL to use for sftp access to the repo?
[02:58] <micahcowan> You're welcome, and thanks for sharing. Also and especially, thank you for taking the "let's solve such issues as a community" attitude, instead of the all-too-common, and somewhat understandable but completely unaddressable, "that's broken? Wow, ubuntu suxors" approach. :)
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[03:21] <ubotu> New bug: #113719 in ubiquity (main) "Edubuntu Feisty Desktop CD install doesn't install the education suite" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/113719
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[04:30] <ubotu> New bug: #113729 in kde-guidance (main) "Crash on login" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/113729
[04:30] <ubotu> New bug: #113730 in linux-meta (main) "piix module locking computer when cd in drive. " [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/113730
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[04:50] <ubotu> New bug: #113733 in Ubuntu "mouse pointer gets crazy!" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/113733
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[05:26] <ubotu> New bug: #113737 in kde-guidance (main) "crashes automatic on start LiveDVD" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/113737
[06:10] <ubotu> New bug: #113742 in xserver-xgl (universe) "Compiz textures get lost (glDeleteTextures problem) [patch] " [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/113742
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[07:16] <persia> Does anyone know where I would file a bug about patches.ubuntu.com?
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[08:10] <ubotu> New bug: #113749 in gnome-games (main) "utf-8 problem in Golf game of AisleRiot" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/113749
[08:25] <ubotu> New bug: #113750 in Ubuntu "[needs-packaging]  xfce4-time-out-plugin" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/113750
[08:30] <ubotu> New bug: #113751 in xchat (universe) "[apport]  xchat crashed with SIGSEGV in g_closure_ref()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/113751
[08:46] <ubotu> New bug: #113753 in signing-party (universe) "Please stop depending on mailx (or recommend nullmailer instead of exim4)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/113753
[08:46] <ubotu> New bug: #113754 in Ubuntu "xserver crashes when amarok wants to popup" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/113754
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[09:26] <ubotu> New bug: #113760 in openoffice.org (main) "ooo crashes with MS Office document" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/113760
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[09:31] <ubotu> New bug: #113761 in linux-source-2.6.20 (main) "Kernel Oops in pktcdvd" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/113761
[09:31] <ubotu> New bug: #113763 in qgis (universe) "Crash qgis" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/113763
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[09:35] <ubotu> New bug: #113764 in Ubuntu "no sound on ATI SB450 HDA Audio" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/113764
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[09:39] <dholbach> good morning
[09:40] <ubotu> New bug: #113757 in Ubuntu "no update capabilities " [Low,Rejected]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/113757
[09:42] <thekorn> hola dholbach
[09:42] <dholbach> heya thekorn - comment a va?
[09:42] <thekorn> ca va bien
[09:43] <dholbach> :-)
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[10:10] <ubotu> New bug: #113768 in apt (main) "Errors during apt-get upgrade of Ubuntu 6.10" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/113768
[10:10] <ubotu> New bug: #113769 in network-manager (main) "n-m gets confused about static interfaces" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/113769
[10:15] <ubotu> New bug: #113770 in openoffice.org2-amd64 (main) "can't select a table that precedes a (numbered) heading" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/113770
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[10:41] <ubotu> New bug: #113772 in kdelibs (main) "[apport]  kdeinit crashed with SIGSEGV" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/113772
[10:41] <ubotu> New bug: #113773 in cupsys (main) "Cupsys has created 4.6 gb of log files in my /var/log/cups " [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/113773
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[10:50] <ubotu> New bug: #113774 in logcheck (main) "dhcpd "(<no client hardware address>)" error is harmless" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/113774
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[10:55] <ubotu> New bug: #113775 in emma (universe) "[apport]  Emma crashed with ValueError in n).get_text()))()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/113775
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[11:00] <ubotu> New bug: #113776 in network-manager (main) "DNS entries mismatch and loss when switching from network (resolv.conf not updated)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/113776
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[11:21] <ubotu> New bug: #113777 in hwdb-client (main) "[apport]  hwdb-gui crashed with GError in draw_header()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/113777
[11:21] <ubotu> New bug: #113778 in hostname (main) "Changing hostname using "hostname" breaks sudo" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/113778
[11:23] <Hobbsee> bug 113753
[11:23] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 113753 in signing-party "Please stop depending on mailx (or recommend nullmailer instead of exim4)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/113753
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[11:58] <masterbuilder> Hello
[11:58] <masterbuilder> I'm a newbie
[11:58] <masterbuilder> I have a problem with my notebook
[11:59] <masterbuilder> after some minutes it shuts down because of "critical temperature reached"
[11:59] <masterbuilder> can somebody help me?
[11:59] <masterbuilder> somebody here?
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[12:01] <ubotu> New bug: #113780 in usplash (main) "Depends on usplash-theme-debian, but it is not present" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/113780
[12:03] <persia> masterbuilder: You may get better support in #ubuntu.
[12:03] <BugMaN> masterbuilder: join #ubuntu
[12:05] <crimsun> masterbuilder: please narrow your search using http://preview.tinyurl.com/3c3ybu
[12:06] <ubotu> New bug: #113781 in Ubuntu "[needs-packaging]  grecipe-manager" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/113781
[12:06] <ubotu> New bug: #113782 in vlc (universe) "[apport]  vlc crashed with SIGSEGV" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/113782
[12:06] <ubotu> New bug: #113783 in control-center (main) "[apport]  gnome-theme-manager crashed with SIGSEGV" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/113783
[12:06] <masterbuilder> thanks bye!
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[12:10] <ubotu> New bug: #113784 in Ubuntu "[needs-packaging]  gscanpdf" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/113784
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[12:25] <ubotu> New bug: #113785 in Ubuntu "[needs-packaging]  Screenlets" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/113785
[12:30] <ubotu> New bug: #113786 in apt (main) "/etc/cron.daily/apt fails to autoclean (fix included)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/113786
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[12:40] <ubotu> New bug: #113787 in ndisgtk (universe) "[apport]  ndisgtk crashed with AttributeError in get_driver_list()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/113787
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[12:44] <kbrooks> bug 113691
[12:44] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 113691 in Ubuntu "lexmark x2470 not supported on ubuntu" [Undecided,Rejected]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/113691
[12:45] <ubotu> New bug: #113788 in gimp (main) "Gimp quits when "save as" dialog opens" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/113788
[12:50] <ubotu> New bug: #113789 in kdeaddons (main) "servicemenue convert images has problems with dots in pathnames" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/113789
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[12:56] <ubotu> New bug: #113790 in gnome-volume-manager (main) "Encrypted USB is owned by root" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/113790
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[01:01] <ubotu> New bug: #113791 in glibc (main) "ftello64 not working with large files" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/113791
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[01:15] <ubotu> New bug: #113793 in Ubuntu "error in terminal after upgrading to Feisty" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/113793
[01:15] <ubotu> New bug: #113794 in firefox (main) "[apport]  firefox-bin crashed with SIGSEGV in __kernel_vsyscall()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/113794
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[01:25] <greg> So I've been using Kubuntu for a while now and whenever I encounter a problem or a bug I've written it down but now I have a pile of them and I'm not sure how to go about reporting them.  How do I decide where to put them?
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[01:26] <gnomefreak> !bugs | greg
[01:26] <ubotu> greg: If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots
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[01:37] <greg> Is this a decent bug report or did I not give enough information? Its bug #113799.  I'm new to this.
[01:37] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 113799 in Ubuntu "Default soundcard changed on hard poweroff" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/113799
[01:41] <Arby> greg: can you reproduce it easily?
[01:41] <Arby> also it would be good to give more details on what soundcards you have.
[01:43] <Arby> greg: you should specify what make/model of computer you have as well.
[01:43] <greg> I can give more details on the soundcards.
[01:44] <greg> I couldn't find any way of fixing it other than disabling the on board sound in the BIOS which would make reproducing it hard.
[01:44] <Arby> so it doesn't happen everytime you do a hard reboot?
[01:45] <Arby> if you leave the onboard sound enabled
[01:45] <greg> You mean it doesn't switch back to the original default?
[01:45] <greg> No, it doesn't.
[01:45] <greg> After the original switch it stayed with the on board sound.
[01:46] <ubotu> New bug: #113798 in Ubuntu "NoteEdit Crashes upon startup" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/113798
[01:46] <ubotu> New bug: #113799 in Ubuntu "Default soundcard changed on hard poweroff" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/113799
[01:46] <Arby> OK well just give some more specs on your hardware for now.
[01:46] <greg> Just add them as comments in the bug report?
[01:46] <Arby> yes
[01:47] <greg> Just soundcard and motherboard type and the type of onboard sound okay, you think?
[01:47] <Arby> it's a good start
[01:48] <greg> Okay.  Thanks.
[01:48] <Arby> if you have a particular brand/model of computer that would also be useful to know
[01:48] <greg> Its from parts.
[01:48] <Arby> OK
[01:48] <Arby> not relevant then
[01:49] <greg> Took me a long while to figure out why the sound stopped working as I hadn't changed anything.
[01:49] <Arby> if you could reproduce it then have a look in /var/log and check the various logs
[01:49] <Arby> dmesg, syslog, boot etc
[01:49] <greg> I don't really know what I'd be looking for...
[01:50] <Arby> then just attch them to the bug report
[01:50] <Arby> and let someone who does know have a look :)
[01:50] <greg> Would anything relevant still be in the logs a bunch of reboots later?
[01:50] <Arby> probably not
[01:51] <Arby> that's why you'd need to reproduce it
[01:51] <Arby> anyway, that'll do for now
[01:51] <Arby> thanks for taking the time to report it :)
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[01:52] <greg> Thanks for giving me a hand.  I've got a whole list of them to report.  I've written down all the problems I've had since I started using Ubuntu.
[01:53] <Arby> greg: no problem
[01:54] <Arby> have a look here https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs
[01:54] <Arby> and related links
[01:54] <Arby> it'll help you know what is good information to give for different types of bug
[01:55] <Arby> log files are always good
[01:55] <Arby> ask here if you don't know which ones are relevant
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[01:56] <ubotu> New bug: #113800 in totem (main) "Don't play avi files" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/113800
[01:56] <greg> Okay.  I'll have a go at reproducing that bug again later and see what I can find...you said dmesg, syslog and boot?
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[01:57] <Arby> the first two yes, have a look at boot and see if you see any mention of your sound card
[01:58] <Arby> I'm not so sure about that one
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[02:00] <greg> I'm going to go for a bit to do a few reboots.  I'll add what I find, if anything, to the report.  Cheers.
[02:00] <Arby> good luck :)
[02:00] <ubotu> New bug: #113801 in ltsp (main) "ltsp-build-client insists on messing with /opt" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/113801
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[02:05] <ubotu> New bug: #113802 in amarok (main) "amarok crashes on startup" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/113802
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[02:15] <ubotu> New bug: #113803 in python-scientific (universe) "Python-netcdf crashes in Feisty" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/113803
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[02:51] <ubotu> New bug: #113795 in Ubuntu "Gim crash report virus" [Undecided,Rejected]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/113795
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[03:05] <ubotu> New bug: #113804 in cinepaint (universe) "[apport]  shadow_bevel.py crashed with ImportError in <module>()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/113804
[03:05] <ubotu> New bug: #113805 in cinepaint (universe) "[apport]  whirlpinch.py crashed with ImportError in <module>()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/113805
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[03:10] <ubotu> New bug: #113806 in cinepaint (universe) "[apport]  sphere.py crashed with ImportError in <module>()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/113806
[03:10] <ubotu> New bug: #113807 in cinepaint (universe) "[apport]  gimpcons.py crashed with ImportError in <module>()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/113807
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[03:20] <ubotu> New bug: #113808 in beryl-core (universe) "[apport]  beryl crashed with SIGSEGV in KIPC::sendMessageAll()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/113808
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[03:46] <ubotu> New bug: #113810 in kdelibs (main) "[apport]  kdeinit crashed with SIGSEGV" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/113810
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[03:50] <ubotu> New bug: #113811 in firefox (main) "Firefox tab-switching hotkeys don't work" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/113811
[03:55] <ubotu> New bug: #113812 in kdebase (main) "[apport]  kdm crashed with SIGSEGV in XSetAuthorization()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/113812
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[04:01] <bddebian> Boo
[04:05] <ScottK> bah
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[04:11] <ubotu> New bug: #113815 in xorg-server (main) "x freezes sporadically" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/113815
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[04:20] <ubotu> New bug: #113816 in Ubuntu "wlan0 device not ready - can't set essid -workaround" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/113816
[04:20] <ubotu> New bug: #113817 in knetworkmanager (main) "knm does not list all accesspoints with similar essid " [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/113817
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[04:25] <ubotu> New bug: #113818 in mplayer (multiverse) "MPlayer is not working" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/113818
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[04:30] <ubotu> New bug: #113819 in wine (universe) "wine sun-java5 sun-java6 firefox netbeans crash" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/113819
[04:36] <ubotu> New bug: #113820 in cinepaint (universe) "[apport]  pdbbrowse.py crashed with ImportError in <module>()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/113820
[04:41] <ubotu> New bug: #113821 in ltsp (main) "nbdswapd leaves stale processes and swapfiles behind on the ltsp server" [Undecided,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/113821
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[04:46] <ubotu> New bug: #113822 in Ubuntu "info-splats when mousing over menus How 2 kill off?" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/113822
[04:50] <ubotu> New bug: #113824 in firefox (main) "firefox crashed" [Medium,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/113824
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[04:55] <ubotu> New bug: #113826 in thunderbird (main) "save as horribly broken in latest thunderbird" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/113826
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[05:06] <ubotu> New bug: #113828 in italc (universe) "Show demo on edubuntu(Ltsp)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/113828
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[05:11] <ubotu> New bug: #113830 in Ubuntu "Logitech USB headset workaround failed" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/113830
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[05:15] <ubotu> New bug: #113831 in gnome-gv (universe) "eats up all of system's memory with certain eps file" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/113831
[05:20] <ubotu> New bug: #113833 in splashy (universe) "splashy crashed when I run "splashy test"" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/113833
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[05:35] <ubotu> New bug: #113836 in mozilla-bonobo (universe) "crashes trying to load a .doc file from web page" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/113836
[05:46] <ubotu> New bug: #113837 in php5 (main) "SOAP module crashes php" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/113837
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[05:48] <psusi> bdmurray: hi there... I'm trying to get fixed up so I can set the priority of bugs on the dmraid package, being a member of ubuntu-dmraid... could you help me out?
[05:48] <bdmurray> psusi: probably.  have you done much bug triaging?
[05:49] <psusi> bdmurray: depends on how you define much... I've been doing some lately, and fixing quite a few bugs... I've been added to the ubuntu-dmraid group which is a bug contact for the dmraid package as it is something of a field of expertise
[05:51] <psusi> and of course, I have read the triaging wiki
[05:51] <ubotu> New bug: #113839 in gtk2-engines-xfce (main) "Please sync gtk2-engines-xfce (main) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/113839
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[05:53] <bdmurray> psusi: could you make a list of a few of your best ones?
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[05:53] <psusi> hrm... sure...
[05:54] <bdmurray> thanks
[05:55] <ubotu> New bug: #113841 in xsane (main) "xsane copy setup is as clear as mud" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/113841
[05:55] <ubotu> New bug: #113842 in upgrade-system (universe) "error in upgrade Breezy to Dapper - no section distro" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/113842
[05:55] <ubotu> New bug: #113843 in xaralx (multiverse) "[apport]  xarasvgfilter crashed with SIGSEGV in wcslen()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/113843
[05:56] <ubotu> New bug: #113840 in obexserver (universe) "dependency not resolved: libopenobex-1.0-0 " [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/113840
[05:58] <psusi> bugs #60894, #24692, #112402, #68294
[05:58] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 60894 in reiserfsprogs "mkfs.reiserfs creates an unmountable file system" [Undecided,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/60894
[05:58] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 24692 in Ubuntu "Amd64 ubuntu build hogs memory due to badly built libs" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/24692
[05:58] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 112402 in dmraid "Fasttrack Promise not recognized: "No RAID disks"" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112402
[05:58] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 68294 in dmraid "Please backport dmraid to edgy - works in feisty" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/68294
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[06:00] <psusi> that last one I think should be changed to high priority as it is a severe problem, even if only for a few...
[06:00] <ubotu> New bug: #113844 in gnome-panel (main) "cube not working after open the desktop effects." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/113844
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[06:05] <bdmurray> psusi: is there a reason 112402 is still assigned to you?
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[06:08] <psusi> hrm.... is there a reason to unassign it?
[06:09] <bdmurray> assignment indicates that you are working on it to a degree and the patch looks complete right?
[06:09] <a7p> hi everyone, I want to write a bugreport for gajim - but I do not know how to write the "--verbose" output into a file ... it's not written to stdout, nor to stderr - henche not forwardable via 2> or > ... but it get's displayed in the terminal.
[06:09] <bdmurray> a7p: try piping it to tee
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[06:11] <ubotu> New bug: #113845 in Ubuntu "Unlock keychain invisible when desktop effects are enabled" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/113845
[06:11] <a7p> $ gajim --verbose | less shows less first, but then starts writing messages onto the screen which are not scrollable  ... - ctrl-c quits gajim and then shows me an empty less.
[06:18] <psusi> bdmurray: ?
[06:18] <a7p> bddebian, tee I allready tried ... does not work ...
[06:19] <bdmurray> psusi: Is there still more work for you to do on that bug?
[06:21] <ubotu> New bug: #113846 in adept (main) "Adept notifier with pinning" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/113846
[06:21] <psusi> bdmurray: I don't think so... fix is released
[06:21] <bdmurray> for 112402?
[06:24] <psusi> err, fix uploaded.... waiting sponsor to upload
[06:25] <psusi> oops... I forgot to change the status... it shouldn't be needs info
[06:25] <ubotu> New bug: #113847 in totem (main) "[apport]  totem-plugin-viewer crashed with SIGSEGV" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/113847
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[06:26] <psusi> there we go.. fix committed... waiting sponsor upload, then will go to fix released
[06:27] <bdmurray> psusi: okay, cool
[06:28] <bdmurray> Thanks for helping out and welcome to the QA team.
[06:29] <psusi> cool... thanks....
[06:29] <bdmurray> take care, I'm off for the night
[06:29] <psusi> hrm.... where'd that bug fix I did to defrag go?  hrm...
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[06:51] <ubotu> New bug: #113851 in amarok (main) "[apport]  amarokcollectionscanner crashed with SIGSEGV in QPixmap::convertFromImage()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/113851
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[06:55] <ubotu> New bug: #113852 in Ubuntu "[needs-packaging]  Minbar" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/113852
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[07:01] <ubotu> New bug: #113854 in vbetool (main) "[apport]  vbetool crashed with signal 5" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/113854
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[07:10] <ubotu> New bug: #113855 in wammu (universe) "wammu will not start.  I've tried installing everything it says is required, but it crashes and crashes" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/113855
[07:10] <ubotu> New bug: #113856 in k9copy (universe) "K9copy has encountered an error on authorizing" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/113856
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[07:15] <ubotu> New bug: #113857 in gnome-applets (main) "Trash Panel Applet should behave more consistent and sane" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/113857
[07:15] <ubotu> New bug: #113858 in totem (main) "toten gloon display freezes after changing timing control" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/113858
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[07:20] <ubotu> New bug: #113859 in linux-source-2.6.20 (main) "(graphics-related?) lockup in feisty" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/113859
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[07:26] <ubotu> New bug: #113860 in k9copy (universe) "K9copy has encountered an error on authorizing" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/113860
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[07:40] <ubotu> New bug: #113862 in gnome-volume-manager (main) "Volume and quality problems with ICH6 audio cards" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/113862
[07:40] <ubotu> New bug: #113863 in iptables (main) "iptables command lack support for CLUSTERIP target" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/113863
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[07:46] <ubotu> New bug: #113864 in sbackup (universe) "Display password in cleartext" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/113864
[07:46] <ubotu> New bug: #113865 in xmotd (universe) "MOTD crashes upon starting" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/113865
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[07:50] <ubotu> New bug: #113866 in beryl-core (universe) "beryl crash" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/113866
[07:50] <ubotu> New bug: #113867 in f-spot (main) "Filename changed when uploading images  to Picasaweb" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/113867
[07:55] <ubotu> New bug: #113869 in Ubuntu "Desktop Affects option" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/113869
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[08:01] <ubotu> New bug: #113870 in octave2.1-forge (universe) "feisty, package octave-forge2.1: missing sparse.oct" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/113870
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[08:15] <ubotu> New bug: #113871 in gnomebaker (universe) "[feisty]  Gnomebaker crashes when trying to burn a CD iso image" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/113871
[08:15] <ubotu> New bug: #113872 in xen-tools (universe) "merge xen-tools 3.2 from debian unstable" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/113872
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[08:30] <ubotu> New bug: #113873 in samba (main) "[apport]  net crashed with SIGSEGV in run_rpc_command() (dup-of: 112824)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/113873
[08:36] <ubotu> New bug: #113875 in Ubuntu "cannot play vp6 video in totem/gstreamer" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/113875
[08:36] <ubotu> New bug: #113876 in gmpc (universe) "HTML tag "<b>" instead of "</b>" in "Song information" window (French version)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/113876
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[08:41] <ubotu> New bug: #113874 in ubiquity (main) "Installer Crashed" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/113874
[08:46] <ubotu> New bug: #113878 in gnome-terminal (main) "Display glitch with transparent backgroud" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/113878
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[08:55] <ubotu> New bug: #113879 in qemu (universe) "[apport]  qemu crashed with SIGSEGV after trying to boot kernel without specifiying root device" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/113879
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[09:05] <ubotu> New bug: #113880 in amarok (main) "sound not heard" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/113880
[09:10] <ubotu> New bug: #113881 in gdm (main) "When change user start sound repeat all the time" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/113881
[09:15] <ubotu> New bug: #113882 in konversation (main) "9th time konversation had segatefault crash" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/113882
[09:15] <ubotu> New bug: #113883 in Ubuntu "Update Manager Crashes on loading" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/113883
[09:18] <Admiral_Chicago> bug #99473
[09:18] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 99473 in ubuntu-docs "Wrong reference in keeping-safe document" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/99473
[09:18] <Admiral_Chicago> bug #99463
[09:18] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 99463 in ubuntu-docs "Wrong reference to a button in add-applications" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/99463
[09:21] <pochu> !info gnome-doc-utils stable
[09:21] <ubotu> gnome-doc-utils: a collection of documentation utilities for the Gnome project. In component main, is optional. Version 0.6.1-3 (stable), package size 168 kB, installed size 1528 kB
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[09:22] <pochu> !info gnome-doc-utils oldstable
[09:22] <ubotu> gnome-doc-utils: a collection of documentation utilities for the Gnome project. In component main, is optional. Version 0.10.3-0ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 183 kB, installed size 2812 kB
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[09:26] <ubotu> New bug: #113884 in Ubuntu "Thermal trip points too low" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/113884
[09:32] <ubotu> New bug: #113885 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22 (restricted) "Wrong resolution detected in DVI (and not in VGA)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/113885
[09:40] <ubotu> New bug: #113886 in mime-support (main) "Office 2007 mime types" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/113886
[09:40] <ubotu> New bug: #113887 in apparmor (universe) "appamor module conflicts with other module "capabilty"" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/113887
[09:45] <ubotu> New bug: #113888 in azureus (universe) "merge azureus azureus-2.5.0.0+0 from debian unstable" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/113888
[09:45] <ubotu> New bug: #113889 in Ubuntu "Ubuntu needs the Liberation Fonts" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/113889
[09:45] <ubotu> New bug: #113890 in gnome-app-install (main) "[apport]  gnome-app-install crashed with ImportError in <module>()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/113890
[09:50] <ubotu> New bug: #113891 in libqalculate (universe) "qalculate makes mistakes in factoring" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/113891
[09:55] <ubotu> New bug: #113892 in Ubuntu "Terratec EWX 24/96 soundcard not working after installation" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/113892
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[10:01] <ubotu> New bug: #113893 in amarok (main) "[apport]  amarokcollectionscanner crashed with SIGSEGV in QPixmap::convertFromImage()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/113893
[10:06] <ubotu> New bug: #113894 in gnome-media (main) "[apport]  gnome-volume-control crashed with SIGSEGV" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/113894
[10:06] <ubotu> New bug: #113895 in firefox (main) "[apport]  firefox-bin crashed with SIGSEGV in __kernel_vsyscall()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/113895
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[10:25] <ubotu> New bug: #113896 in openoffice.org (main) "Openoffice base unixodbc "Invalid cursor state"" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/113896
[10:25] <ubotu> New bug: #113898 in compiz (main) "[apport]  compiz.real crashed with SIGSEGV" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/113898
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[10:30] <ubotu> New bug: #113897 in blender (universe) "Blender probably doesn't use some OpenGL extensions" [Medium,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/113897
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[11:00] <ubotu> New bug: #113900 in Ubuntu "Thin Client Manager locks up" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/113900
[11:00] <ubotu> New bug: #113902 in gajim (universe) "No reconnect upon disconnect" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/113902
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[11:05] <ubotu> New bug: #113903 in upgrade-system (universe) "can't update from 6.06 to 6.10" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/113903
[11:05] <ubotu> New bug: #113904 in Ubuntu "install ubuntu on pc hp dv4000 display problem" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/113904
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[11:16] <ubotu> New bug: #113905 in Ubuntu "Asus F3JC and suspend to ram" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/113905
[11:26] <ubotu> New bug: #113906 in kdepim (main) "Kontakt crashes in kmail imap after few minutes" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/113906
[11:30] <ubotu> New bug: #113907 in kdelibs (main) "[apport]  kdeinit crashed with SIGSEGV" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/113907
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