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[03:20] <Ksosez> anyone know of/or working on overheating on laptops in Feisty? my thinkpad z60m is overheating badly..and if there is anything I can do to help i would like to :)
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[03:23] <Ksosez> okay back into ubuntu to see if i can track this overheating issue down
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[08:33] <pitti> Good morning
[08:35] <ion_> Morning
[08:36] <pitti> hello ion_ 
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[08:42] <pitti> hey StevenK 
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[08:43] <StevenK> Mithrandir: I have this feeling that tig and lyx seem to do bad things to the sparc buildds -- both artigas and sejong are spinning with no logs.
[08:44] <ajmitch> morning
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[08:47] <desrt> word.
[08:47] <desrt> anyone know how long before we have a schedule?
[08:50] <shawarma> desrt: It's usually around 9:20, I think.
[08:51] <Treenaks> keybuk just arrived..
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[08:57] <fabbione> StevenK: send me a mail and i will look at them
[08:58] <StevenK> fabbione: <nick>@u.c ?
[08:58] <fabbione> yes
[08:59] <desrt> hmm
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[09:00] <desrt> schedule is up.
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[09:02] <fabbione> StevenK: got the mail.. will look at them sometime next week
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[09:39] <dholbach> good morning
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[09:49] <shawarma> iwj, lifeless: I'm clearly an idiot.
[09:49] <Treenaks> shawarma: </duh>
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[11:51] <dharrigan> Mithrandir: elmo : I have a question re: legal stuff that dholbach recommends I ping you about.
[11:52] <dholbach> dharrigan: best to say what you actually want to do - so they can reply back, when they see your message
[11:52] <dharrigan> dholbach: Ah, umm, best if I send them the email that I sent you?
[11:52] <dharrigan> It's quite long, perhaps too long for here.
[11:52] <dholbach> dharrigan: ok, let mw follow up on your mail and include them in the loop
[11:53] <dharrigan> Okay, that would be great daniel. I appreciate it. Just want to clear things up :-)
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[12:08] <alleyoopster> mjg59: hi, madduck (debian) mentioned that you *may* know something of black screen problems on resume on a dell laptop
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[12:14] <Mirv> pitti: do you think https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/language-packs-for-documentation could be resurrected? by moving non-english documentation to be downloaded (like language-support-NN is already done), there would be more space for UI translations. (you're the first in the list of subscribers)
[12:15] <Mirv> I'm aiming for... https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BetterDesktopCDLanguageSupport (the title says it all)
[12:15] <pitti> Mirv: resurrected in the sense of giving it an assignee and an UDS slot?
[12:15] <Hobbsee> [20:15]  <siretart> http://www.stil-his.no/brukerfiler/Innebandy/He-man%20-%20She-ra%2004.jpeg
[12:15] <Hobbsee> [20:15]  <dholbach> ^ Treenaks said: "Is that jono?"
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[12:16] <Hobbsee> [20:15]  <siretart> "he sould be"
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[12:19] <pitti> Mirv: right, we do consider 7zip and friends
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[12:22] <Mirv> pitti: yeah.. if there were a bunch of people interested in the documentation separation before, to try to find time to consider implementation too. it's linked to from this new spec where I'm gathering other ideas.
[12:24] <Mirv> pitti: sladen and pkl_ are people who could perhaps help with the 7zip/lzma/squashfs stuff, they were in the discussion just a moment ago (I'm via VoIP). I'm not really into kernel myself too much, but I'd like to look into the desktop side mentioned in the spec.
[12:25] <Mirv> though probably mvo would be better at that, too :)
[12:27] <StevenHarperUK> Hi, I have recently finished my first release of USB Speedtouch 330 driver support, I have registered a launchpad project, but now i'm stuck. I have a SVN repository and have queued an import in launchpad, but id like some Ubuntu Development Veterans to help me out
[12:28] <Treenaks> StevenHarperUK: are you at UDS?>
[12:28] <pitti> Mirv: I agree that doc separation is low-hanging fruit; it's not the best solution, but certainly works
[12:28] <StevenHarperUK> Sorry whats UDS?
[12:28] <Treenaks> StevenHarperUK: the Ubuntu Developer Summit, in Seville, Spain
[12:28] <StevenHarperUK> No im at work atm :P
[12:29] <StevenHarperUK> My launchpad entry is https://launchpad.net/speedtouch-usb-modem
[12:29] <StevenHarperUK> I have a working app, that connects version 04 of the Speedtouch USB modems
[12:29] <StevenHarperUK> over PPPoa
[12:30] <StevenHarperUK> What I need now is help Packaging and for people to review my Python code 
[12:30] <StevenHarperUK> As im Mainly a Java developer : it my first stab at Python
[12:31] <StevenHarperUK> Its on an OPen SVN server if anyone fancies a look
[12:33] <pitti> StevenHarperUK: TBH I don't think that providing a separate application for a specific type of hardware is a good solution
[12:33] <Mirv> StevenHarperUK: you might want to co-operate with the subscribers of the specification https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/usb-adsl-modems and add to the https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EasyUsbAdsl page
[12:33] <pitti> StevenHarperUK: there should be some shim which makes that modem work with the standard network setup/configuration tools
[12:34] <StevenHarperUK> Yes that would be great, there so many, in the UK nearly all ISP's gave the Speedtouch 330 free iwth most ADSL subscriptions
[12:34] <StevenHarperUK> The code I have worked on should work with other modems
[12:35] <StevenHarperUK> But I only have acces to 3 speedtouch ones
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[01:14] <Lutin> tepsipakki: around ?
[01:16] <tepsipakki> Lutin: yep
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[01:18] <Lutin> tepsipakki: just curious.. I was xondering why glw has been disabled in mesa
[01:18] <tepsipakki> Lutin: no idea
[01:18] <tepsipakki> look at the changelog for clues
[01:20] <Lutin> tepsipakki: ok :) . I was asking you because you uploaded this change ;)
[01:21] <tepsipakki> well, I didn't make that patch
[01:21] <tepsipakki> it was there before
[01:22] <Lutin> tepsipakki: ok
[01:23] <tepsipakki> check the changelog from edgy
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[01:27] <tepsipakki> ah, yes.. GLw needs lesstif
[01:28] <tepsipakki> which is in universe
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[02:33] <pygi> dholbach, around?
[02:34] <dholbach> pygi: YES
[02:34] <pygi> dholbach, nice ^_^
[02:35] <dholbach> anything you want from me?
[02:35] <pygi> ah, nothing important ... you're probably busy
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[03:11] <Clem92> I've got a question... will Pidgin 2 come in Feisty or only in Gutsy?
[03:11] <Burgundavia> Clem92: possibly a backport ot fiesty
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[03:12] <Hobbsee> Burgundavia: cant see why though.  although backports isnt updates, i guess
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[03:14] <gnomefreak> Burgundavia: congrats
[03:15] <pygi> Hobbsee is here again :P
[03:15] <Hobbsee> pygi: it seems so
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[03:18] <Burgundavia> Hobbsee: people are asking for it, thus they are using crackish 3rd party stuff
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[03:18] <Burgundavia> better to have them using our crack than random crack off the forums/blogs
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[03:21] <Hobbsee> Burgundavia: true
[03:28] <iwj> Conflict adding file debian/changelog.BASE.  Moved existing file to debian/changelog.BASE.moved.
[03:28] <iwj> I love bzr.
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[03:36] <pitti> iwj: hmm, did you use 'mv' instead of 'bzr mv' or so?
[03:37] <iwj> No, nothing like that.
[03:37] <iwj> mvo told me to say `bzr resolve --all' which made it magically go away.
[03:37] <pitti> iwj: aah, right;
[03:37] <pitti> iwj: you had a conflict earlier, and the .BASE file was still around
[03:38] <iwj> But why oh why oh why does it mind ?  It should get a grip.
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[03:46] <seb128> pitti: do you mind if I promote libavahi-compat-howl0 to main?
[03:46] <pitti> erk, erk, erk
[03:46] <pitti> seb128: actually I do; why do we need that?
[03:46] <seb128> pitti: the avahi source is already to main
[03:46] <pitti> right
[03:46] <pitti> but I thought we could do without the old howl compat stuff
[03:46] <Lathiat> its not old
[03:47] <Amaranth> What uses it?
[03:47] <pitti> well, old in terms of Ubuntu usage
[03:47] <Lathiat> the reason it wasn't promoted was because at some point there was plans to pull those out into separate sources upstream
[03:47] <Lathiat> we haven't really got to doing that
[03:47] <seb128> pitti: would make gaim bonjour thing work
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[03:47] <seb128> pitti: looks like quite some users would be happy to use the gaim feature
[03:47] <seb128> and ogra would like to get gobby to edubuntu
[03:48] <pitti> seb128: well, the only reason I have against it is APIs we don't need for anything else; no hard arguments against it, so go ahead if it makes folks happy
[03:48] <ogra> \o/
[03:48] <pygi> ogra, ^_^
[03:49] <seb128> pitti: thanks
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[03:49] <slomo> i wonder why gaim and gobby still can't use the real avahi api... it's not like it's a difficult api ;)
[03:50] <Lathiat> slomo: it was just ported upstream iirc
[03:51] <seb128> slomo: you are welcome to port it to avahi
[03:52] <seb128> slomo: we did say that during the dapper cycle
[03:52] <seb128> slomo: nothings changed upstream since
[03:53] <seb128> slomo: let me know if you want to work on it, so maybe we don't need to promote it ;)
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[04:01] <bddebian> Heya
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[05:14] <psusi> how do you get the maintainer of a package changed in launchpad?
[05:15] <Hobbsee> psusi: upload a new vesrion of it
[05:15] <psusi> ohh, do you just need to change the Maintainer field in the control file?
[05:15] <psusi> ok....
[05:17] <psusi> hrm...
[05:17] <Hobbsee> i think so
[05:17] <psusi> I'd like to change it to another launchpad group, but what should I set the maintainer email addy to?
[05:17] <psusi> the group is ubuntu-dmraid
[05:18] <Hobbsee> i wonder if you need to set the debian changelog address, or the maintainer address, to list it in LP.
[05:18] <psusi> must be maintainer... changelog lists whoever made the changes
[05:18] <psusi> who often is not the maintainer
[05:18] <psusi> or even a developer ;)
[05:19] <seb128> psusi: subscribe the team to the package
[05:19] <psusi> it is subscribed, but it is not the maintainer
[05:19] <seb128> what does maintainer mean to you?
[05:19] <psusi> I'd like it to be the maintainer instead of the generic motu group
[05:19] <seb128> what difference would it make?
[05:19] <psusi> well, for one, the maintainer gets to set the priority of the bugs
[05:19] <seb128> the package contacts can do that I think
[05:20] <psusi> says only maintainer can... what's package contacts?
[05:20] <seb128> hum, I see what you mean
[05:20] <seb128> just subscribe to the bugsquad ;)
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[05:21] <psusi> huh?
[05:21] <bashelier> psusi: I think you should put you as XSBC-Original-Maintainer, and let the MOTU as Maintainer, and also change the adress/name in changelog
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[05:21] <seb128> bashelier: I'm not sure tweaking the Maintainer is the way to do that
[05:22] <seb128> psusi: ^
[05:22] <psusi> the changelog contains the name of the person who made that change.... not related to this discussion
[05:22] <seb128> psusi: there is no granularity by package
[05:22] <psusi> since i made the last change, my name is there... that's not the issue... the issue is that the group that was made specifically to deal with bugs on this package can't prioritize those bugs
[05:22] <bashelier> psusi: sorry, I've said that without knowing what do you want exactly
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[05:23] <seb128> psusi: you need to be busquad member to change Ubuntu packages settings
[05:24] <psusi> hrm... launchpad just says only the maintainer can set the priority
[05:24] <seb128> psusi: what page is that?
[05:24] <psusi> any bug page
[05:25] <psusi> expand the affects item to show the importance and there's a lock icon next to it... hover the cursor over it and it says only the maintainer or bug contact for the project can set this
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[05:26] <seb128> psusi: that's a question for #launchpad
[05:26] <psusi> the team ubuntu-dmraid is set as a bug contact for the dmraid package, and I'm a member, so I get email about all bugs filed against it
[05:27] <psusi> but can't set the priority
[05:27] <psusi> hrm... ok
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[05:59] <ogra> Riddell, http://www.arbitraryuser.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/03/howtospellandtypejonathan.png
[05:59] <ogra> ;)
[06:02] <highvoltage> there's also a simpler howto at http://jonathancarter.co.za/files/jonathan.pdf
[06:04] <Riddell> ogra: what the naach?
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[06:05] <highvoltage> LaserJock!
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[06:51] <pkern_> How could I set "Fix Released" only for Gutsy on a bug? Currently it shows only "gobby (Ubuntu)"
[06:52] <ScottK> If it's fixed in Gutsy, it's considered Fix Released.
[06:52] <pkern_> k
[06:52] <ScottK> If it's potentially SRU worthy, then tasks need to be set for the appopriate releases.
[06:53] <pkern_> And those tasks could only be added by more powerful people? (Not that's it's needed in this specific case.)
[06:53] <ScottK> Yes.
[06:53] <pkern_> k
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[06:53] <ScottK> ubuntu-qa and I think some others can nominate for releases, but I believe only devs can approve them.
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[07:08] <pkern_> How could I set bug contact / security contact on a project in LP?
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[07:13] <ScottK> pkern_: I'd ask in #launchpad
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[07:23] <bddebian> Are we going to bring PHP5 5.2.2 from Debian?
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[07:54] <sharms> did anyone get a chance to look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Spec/EnhancedBash ?
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[07:54] <sharms> I have been stuck all week with a bunch of deadline work :(
[07:55] <ion_> Enhanced bash  ah, you must mean zsh. ;-)
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[07:55] <sharms> ha
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[08:50] <blueyed> Does anyone know what's up with vbetool? There are quite a lot of crashes in launchpad.
[08:50] <mjg59> Due to the way it works, it's inevitable that it'll crash on some machines
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[08:59] <blueyed> mjg59: unfortunately I don't know how it works. So the related reports should be rejected as "expected"? all of them?
[09:02] <mjg59> apport should be taught to ignore them
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[11:10] <xst> Currently audiophile 2496 audio devices are broken in feisty. Does anyone know the current status of bug #108288 (https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/108288)? Is anyone actually working on it?
[11:10] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 108288 in linux-source-2.6.20 "Audio is played in "slow motion"" [Medium,Confirmed]  
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[11:32] <crimsun> xst: yes, I am, but I'm swamped ATM.  I'll attempt to look tomorrow.
[11:32] <crimsun> xst: at this point, I need to know if alsa-driver 1.0.14rc4 fares better.  That would be a starting point for testing.
[11:34] <xst> ok, sounds awesome with some progress :-)
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[11:46] <poningru> anyone know why vmware-server or vmware-tools is not available through the repos?
[11:47] <stgraber> poningru: they are on canonical repo IIRC (it should be a licence problem for them not to be in multiverse)
[11:49] <poningru> canonical repository?
[11:49] <poningru> found it
[11:49] <poningru> thanks
[11:49] <stgraber> np
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[12:11] <avb> hello all