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yuriywow i _just_ found out konqueror had mouse gestures. byebye opera06:22
yuriywhy aren't they enabled by default?06:22
Jucatobecause themouse gestures aren't just for Konqueror. so enabling mouse gestures enables it for all of KDE?07:01
fdovingeven better? :)07:01
fdovingoff to work. bye.07:01
Jucatobye fdoving07:01
Jucatoyeah better, but not everyone knows how to use them... like me07:01
nixternalor me07:07
Jucatowoot! I'm not the only weirdo :D07:07
nixternalhaha07:07
Jucatoalthough I imagine that if I ever get hooked on these gestures... I'll be waving my mouse around like a wand... :/07:08
nixternallol07:08
nixternalI don't use the mouse much anyways07:09
Jucatoyou have a touchscreen!?! O.o07:09
Jucato:P07:09
nixternalterminal is where I tend to live07:09
Jucatofigures :)07:09
nixternalRiddell: Toys, Graphics, Admin, and Multimedia built fine. Network built out, but on install it dies w/o --force-overwrite due to oxygen icons ;) Games, PIM, and Edu crash out during build. The other ones need to be created from scratch, but w/o having Games, PIM, and Edu, I can't really build the others due to depends07:11
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amanhelp me08:07
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dinosaur-rushi friends :)08:16
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Riddellnixternal: did you fix /usr/lib64 issue?09:16
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dadchickenHobbsee: Are you on the mailing lists team?09:32
Hobbseedadchicken: the what now?09:33
dadchickenHobbsee: We've got some folks being rather discourteous to others on the kubuntu-users list.09:33
Hobbseedadchicken: fun...09:34
Hobbseedadchicken: i'm not a moderator of it, no09:34
dadchickenRighto.09:35
Riddelldadchicken: what's up?09:36
dadchickenOh, just some folks getting impolite with new folks, and cursing at me for asking them to be a little less hostile.09:37
dadchickenThe usua.09:37
dadchickenl09:37
dadchickenBecause evidently, suggesting that the threading issue may have been related to a bug rather than an intentional hijacking makes me an asshole.09:39
Riddelldadchicken: I've blocked that thread now09:39
dadchickenSo many more better reasons to call me an asshole...09:40
=== ..[topic/#kubuntu-devel:Riddell] : Adios Espania! | Welcome to #kubuntu-devel | #uds-sevilla http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/uds-sevilla/ | Merge! | Bugs! https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-team/+packagebugs
HobbseeRiddell: we're not leaving yet :P09:41
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RiddellI don't know the spanish for "one more day"09:41
Hobbseeahh09:41
Riddelljings, anyone not got a cold coming on today?09:42
Hobbseehmm?09:44
dadchickenSolamente un da de restante en Espaa.09:46
dadchickenThere you go Riddell09:46
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freeflyingRiddell: hi09:51
freeflyingRiddell: can you sposor me an upload now09:51
Hobbseefreeflying: unlikely, we're at UDS - about to go into a session09:52
freeflyingHobbsee: I see09:52
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Riddellmhb: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kubuntu-restricted-manager updated02:58
Hobbseequestion 642703:08
Hobbseebug 103:12
ubotuLaunchpad bug 1 in Ubuntu "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Critical,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/103:12
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RiddellHobbsee: how is https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kubuntu-gutsy-council doing?03:22
HobbseeRiddell: ENOWIFIOUTSIDE.03:22
Hobbseeer, -E...03:22
Riddelland yet IRC continues to work :)03:22
Hobbseeit exists in some form, though03:22
Hobbseeyes, i'm not outside now :)03:23
yuriy"Pending Approval (Needs guidance)" on the guidance spec amuses me03:25
yuriymorning03:25
Riddellit's even more amusing on the displayconfig-gtk spec03:26
rbrunhuberHello all03:34
dadchickenhowdy03:34
nixternalRiddell: if fixed that issue by building on amd6403:35
nixternals/if/I03:36
HobbseeRiddell: it exists now in a non-spec type spec.03:36
rbrunhuberAre there just few new gutsy packages or do i have a "blocker" app which hinders upgrades?03:44
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Hobbseeyou can upgrade03:44
Hobbseenot a great idea, though03:44
hungerHobbsee: Yes, but there are not many packages to update yet:-(03:45
hungerHobbsee: What will break if I upgrade? (or better: once I reboot;-)03:45
rbrunhuberI always upgraded when the new repos are open I like to keep track of the progress :-)03:45
hungerrbrunhuber: Same here... I am addicted to new packages and get nervous when there aren't any;-)03:46
rbrunhuberhunger: I have a feisty on my desktop that gets me mad. Every update nothing new. This does not feel like progress.03:47
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=== nixternal wants his CPU speed showing in Guidance :(
hungernixternal: kpowersave does that and has some more nice features.04:00
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nixternalvery true04:00
Hobbseehunger: nm doesnt work.  otehr things seem to.04:01
yuriythat so? maybe i'll try it when nm works04:05
Hobbseedidnt check very far04:05
yuriylooking forward to the battery life stuff sebas blogged about in 2.6.2104:06
hungerNM works for me... but then I did not reboot in a while:-)04:06
Riddelldoc__: https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-universe-contributors/+join04:22
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Fahuadaihello.04:52
FahuadaiI'm  looking for a place to contribute my modest programming skills to.  A link for a starting place or something would be great.04:53
JucatoFahuadai: you will pardon if you don't get an answer at this time... some of the devs are at UDS right now04:55
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Fahuadaino worries. i'm just about to upgrade to 7.04 anyways04:56
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dinosaur-rushi05:24
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nixternalhttp://distrowatch.com/index.php?dataspan=105:50
nixternalPCLinuxOS > Ubuntu || KDE > GNOME || who cares? :p05:51
nixternalhehe05:51
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jsgotangcohuh?05:56
Hobbseehi spam05:57
jsgotangcohey Hobbsee aren't you guys supposed to have an elegant dinner or something05:58
crimsunyes, she's just teasing us.05:58
jsgotangcoarrghhh!05:58
Hobbseejsgotangco: in a couple of hours, yeah05:59
jsgotangcothat librarian in the video looks stoned lol05:59
jsgotangcobut the catchy zydeco music is a winner for sure05:59
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nixternaljsgotangco: congrats btw on the CC thing ;)06:08
jsgotangconixternal: thanks :)06:08
buztwo things about the kde alpha packages06:10
nixternal1) they aren't complete06:10
buzfirst, the repo in the announcement is not quite right06:10
nixternal2) ... can't remember06:10
buzi think it should be deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde4-3.90.1/ feisty main06:10
nixternalbuz: you are correct06:10
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buzand second, they want to remove kubuntu-desktop :(06:10
nixternalhrmm, they didn't do that here06:11
buzhttp://pastebin.ca/48315506:12
buzi think its because of the qt changes06:13
buzkubuntu-desktop probably does depend on plain qt406:13
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nixternalwell I know the kde4* packages dep on libqt4-*-kdecopy06:19
buzyeah so they yank out kubuntu-desktops dependency on qt406:19
buzand kubuntu-desktop with it06:19
buzit should probably create a diversion06:19
buzor whatever the name for that was06:19
nixternalis it wanting to remove just kubuntu-desktop, or all of the applications that it falls under?06:20
nixternalhrmm, seems Riddell hasn't pushed the changed to bzr yet06:23
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buzjust kubuntu-desktop06:29
buzand a few select others06:29
buzsee http://pastebin.ca/48315506:30
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nixternalhrmm06:31
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nixternalI didn't get that06:31
buzi wont install it just now06:31
nixternalI wonder if there was a change since I did mine the other day06:31
nixternalI don't have access to the site, otherwise I would fix that typo06:32
nixternalplus the modules I built for amd64 haven't been added either, and there are modules awaiting06:32
nixternalahh well, will check it out later, time to get to work06:33
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bddebianHeya06:43
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dinosaur-rushi bddebian06:49
bddebianHello dinosaur-rus06:51
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paranHi. The apt sources line on http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-alpha1.php is incorrect08:34
ScottKRiddell: ^^^08:35
paranshould be: deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde4-3.90.1/ feisty main08:35
parannice work getting the alpha to feisty this fast btw :)08:37
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rbrunhuberare the kde 4 alpha 1 packages compatible with gutsy?08:43
_StefanS_just saw that also :)08:48
rbrunhuber_StefanS_ : so we'll have to try spoiling a setup :-)08:50
_StefanS_rbrunhuber: I can test on my gutsy vm if you like ? :)08:51
rbrunhuber_StefanS_ : Would be a great help.08:52
_StefanS_be like 5 mins08:53
rbrunhuber_StefanS_ : thanks.08:53
_StefanS_rbrunhuber: its downloading..08:55
rbrunhuber_StefanS_ : so at last apt sees no dependency problems? So problems may only arise at run time.09:00
_StefanS_rbrunhuber: seems ok for now, its almost done downloading those 210mb of archives ;)09:01
_StefanS_rbrunhuber: nice having that 15mbit line09:01
_StefanS_installing now09:01
rbrunhuber_StefanS_ : Cool can't get a faster line than 6 mbit here near munich. Shit09:02
_StefanS_rbrunhuber: 6mbit is ok too :)09:02
_StefanS_rbrunhuber: I may switch to 20mbit soon, the prices seem to be going down09:02
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rbrunhuber_StefanS_ : Is this in Germany?09:03
_StefanS_rbrunhuber: dk09:03
_StefanS_rbrunhuber: you know the country with the shitty taxes09:03
rbrunhuber_StefanS_ : whats so bad about your taxes?09:04
_StefanS_rbrunhuber: it installed fine on my default gutsy09:04
_StefanS_rbrunhuber: >50% on income, and 63% if you have a company09:04
rbrunhuber_StefanS_ : Fine will give it a shot tonight.09:04
_StefanS_rbrunhuber: cars = buy one and pay for three09:04
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rbrunhuber_StefanS_ : Sounds like a real good opportunity to make a small fortune (if you start with a big one :-))09:05
_StefanS_rbrunhuber: well yes, and you end up keeping the country afloat too by paying your ass of in taxes.09:06
_StefanS_rbrunhuber: thats how it is though, nothing to do about it.09:06
_StefanS_rbrunhuber: goot thing you have imaginative accountants ;)09:06
rbrunhuber_StefanS_ : At least fast lines :-)09:06
_StefanS_rbrunhuber: my  company pays ;)09:06
_StefanS_sweden is where you want to be..09:06
rbrunhuber_StefanS_ : Sweden? I thought they had times where you could end up with 108% taxes for the last buck?!09:09
_StefanS_rbrunhuber: well thats alot more in dk, so I say again. Sweden is where you want to be.09:09
rbrunhuber_StefanS_ : But maybe we should change the topic for this is not #tax-discussions :-)09:09
_StefanS_rbrunhuber: right. EOF discussion.09:10
_StefanS_rbrunhuber: good luck on the kde4 thing.09:10
rbrunhuber_StefanS_:  Back to kde4 any shiny new featurs09:10
_StefanS_;D09:10
rbrunhuber_StefanS_ : Saw some screenshots but still don't know if they are RL or mockups09:13
_StefanS_rbrunhuber: well from what I have seen so far its not really a desktop yet. Rather a few qt4 apps ;)09:13
_StefanS_rbrunhuber: but maybe that have changed, looking forward to see it.09:14
rbrunhuber_StefanS_ : So did you not start it up to now?09:14
rbrunhuber_StefanS_ : I mean the alpha?09:14
_StefanS_rbrunhuber: not yet. The package installer succeeded fine though.09:14
rbrunhuber_StefanS_ : This is what I've seen today: http://www.pro-linux.de/news/2007/11188.html09:15
_StefanS_looks like it yes.09:15
_StefanS_even the question mark icon left third position ;)09:15
rbrunhuber_StefanS_ : Have you ever tried avahi in feisty09:16
_StefanS_rbrunhuber: nope, not really09:16
_StefanS_rbrunhuber: supposed to something like upnp I guess, never had the incentive to use it :)09:16
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rbrunhuber_StefanS_ : I'd like to play kbattleship over it. Just to be able to say, that i have played kbattleship over avahi :-)09:17
_StefanS_wow that sounds useful :)09:18
_StefanS_I dont do games so much in kde... have a wii and ps3 for that kind of thing ;)09:18
rbrunhuber_StefanS_ : Wow that sounded ironic09:18
_StefanS_:)09:18
rbrunhuber_StefanS_ : It seems that is the only very_low_overhead_directly_in_front_of_your_nose_avahi app.09:19
rbrunhuber_StefanS_ : I don't want to set up a avahi share thing just to share my handful of mp3s09:20
_StefanS_rbrunhuber: yea, it really seems...ehm... useful.09:20
_StefanS_like putting an extra windshield on a car or something.09:21
rbrunhuber_StefanS_ : don't you have a extra windshield on your get one pay three car?09:22
_StefanS_touch :)09:22
rbrunhuber_StefanS_ : You are totally right it is not useful, silly overhead (shutdown dns). But i think it's worth to try once. Just for fun.09:26
_StefanS_rbrunhuber: yes definitely, you might get an idea to create a new fork of it called haiku or something :)09:27
_StefanS_avahi and haiku09:27
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rbrunhuber_StefanS_ : I'll create a fork called ihava where you need maximum configuration. Also known as infiniconf :-)09:28
_StefanS_rbrunhuber: that will get the advanced users busy :D09:28
rbrunhuber_StefanS_ : And it will be the new keyfeature of brainfuck os :-)09:29
_StefanS_hehe09:29
_StefanS_rbrunhuber: haha it started by crashing the ksmserver..09:30
rbrunhuber_StefanS_ : Or my tests will bring up tons of problems and bugreports like my bluetooth experiment09:30
_StefanS_rbrunhuber: thats real alpha stuff for you ;)09:30
rbrunhuber_StefanS_ : My middle name is segmentation fault :-909:32
_StefanS_rbrunhuber: righto. Then its the way to go.. somehow the window manager seems borked09:32
_StefanS_nevermind, I have to do some work. Then I'm going to play resistance: FoM :D09:33
rbrunhuber_StefanS_ : CU.09:33
_StefanS_yessir.09:33
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