[06:22] <yuriy> wow i _just_ found out konqueror had mouse gestures. byebye opera
[06:22] <yuriy> why aren't they enabled by default?
[07:01] <Jucato> because themouse gestures aren't just for Konqueror. so enabling mouse gestures enables it for all of KDE?
[07:01] <fdoving> even better? :)
[07:01] <fdoving> off to work. bye.
[07:01] <Jucato> bye fdoving
[07:01] <Jucato> yeah better, but not everyone knows how to use them... like me
[07:07] <nixternal> or me
[07:07] <Jucato> woot! I'm not the only weirdo :D
[07:07] <nixternal> haha
[07:08] <Jucato> although I imagine that if I ever get hooked on these gestures... I'll be waving my mouse around like a wand... :/
[07:08] <nixternal> lol
[07:09] <nixternal> I don't use the mouse much anyways
[07:09] <Jucato> you have a touchscreen!?! O.o
[07:09] <Jucato> :P
[07:09] <nixternal> terminal is where I tend to live
[07:09] <Jucato> figures :)
[07:11] <nixternal> Riddell: Toys, Graphics, Admin, and Multimedia built fine. Network built out, but on install it dies w/o --force-overwrite due to oxygen icons ;) Games, PIM, and Edu crash out during build. The other ones need to be created from scratch, but w/o having Games, PIM, and Edu, I can't really build the others due to depends
[08:07] <aman> help me
[08:16] <dinosaur-rus> hi friends :)
[09:16] <Riddell> nixternal: did you fix /usr/lib64 issue?
[09:32] <dadchicken> Hobbsee: Are you on the mailing lists team?
[09:33] <Hobbsee> dadchicken: the what now?
[09:33] <dadchicken> Hobbsee: We've got some folks being rather discourteous to others on the kubuntu-users list.
[09:34] <Hobbsee> dadchicken: fun...
[09:34] <Hobbsee> dadchicken: i'm not a moderator of it, no
[09:35] <dadchicken> Righto.
[09:36] <Riddell> dadchicken: what's up?
[09:37] <dadchicken> Oh, just some folks getting impolite with new folks, and cursing at me for asking them to be a little less hostile.
[09:37] <dadchicken> The usua.
[09:37] <dadchicken> l
[09:39] <dadchicken> Because evidently, suggesting that the threading issue may have been related to a bug rather than an intentional hijacking makes me an asshole.
[09:39] <Riddell> dadchicken: I've blocked that thread now
[09:40] <dadchicken> So many more better reasons to call me an asshole...
[09:41] <Hobbsee> Riddell: we're not leaving yet :P
[09:41] <Riddell> I don't know the spanish for "one more day"
[09:41] <Hobbsee> ahh
[09:42] <Riddell> jings, anyone not got a cold coming on today?
[09:44] <Hobbsee> hmm?
[09:46] <dadchicken> Solamente un da de restante en Espaa.
[09:46] <dadchicken> There you go Riddell
[09:51] <freeflying> Riddell: hi
[09:51] <freeflying> Riddell: can you sposor me an upload now
[09:52] <Hobbsee> freeflying: unlikely, we're at UDS - about to go into a session
[09:52] <freeflying> Hobbsee: I see
[02:58] <Riddell> mhb: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kubuntu-restricted-manager updated
[03:08] <Hobbsee> question 6427
[03:12] <Hobbsee> bug 1
[03:12] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 1 in Ubuntu "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Critical,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/1
[03:22] <Riddell> Hobbsee: how is https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kubuntu-gutsy-council doing?
[03:22] <Hobbsee> Riddell: ENOWIFIOUTSIDE.
[03:22] <Hobbsee> er, -E...
[03:22] <Riddell> and yet IRC continues to work :)
[03:22] <Hobbsee> it exists in some form, though
[03:23] <Hobbsee> yes, i'm not outside now :)
[03:25] <yuriy> "Pending Approval (Needs guidance)" on the guidance spec amuses me
[03:25] <yuriy> morning
[03:26] <Riddell> it's even more amusing on the displayconfig-gtk spec
[03:34] <rbrunhuber> Hello all
[03:34] <dadchicken> howdy
[03:35] <nixternal> Riddell: if fixed that issue by building on amd64
[03:36] <nixternal> s/if/I
[03:36] <Hobbsee> Riddell: it exists now in a non-spec type spec.
[03:44] <rbrunhuber> Are there just few new gutsy packages or do i have a "blocker" app which hinders upgrades?
[03:44] <Hobbsee> you can upgrade
[03:44] <Hobbsee> not a great idea, though
[03:45] <hunger> Hobbsee: Yes, but there are not many packages to update yet:-(
[03:45] <hunger> Hobbsee: What will break if I upgrade? (or better: once I reboot;-)
[03:45] <rbrunhuber> I always upgraded when the new repos are open I like to keep track of the progress :-)
[03:46] <hunger> rbrunhuber: Same here... I am addicted to new packages and get nervous when there aren't any;-)
[03:47] <rbrunhuber> hunger: I have a feisty on my desktop that gets me mad. Every update nothing new. This does not feel like progress.
[04:00] <hunger> nixternal: kpowersave does that and has some more nice features.
[04:00] <nixternal> very true
[04:01] <Hobbsee> hunger: nm doesnt work.  otehr things seem to.
[04:05] <yuriy> that so? maybe i'll try it when nm works
[04:05] <Hobbsee> didnt check very far
[04:06] <yuriy> looking forward to the battery life stuff sebas blogged about in 2.6.21
[04:06] <hunger> NM works for me... but then I did not reboot in a while:-)
[04:22] <Riddell> doc__: https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-universe-contributors/+join
[04:52] <Fahuadai> hello.
[04:53] <Fahuadai> I'm  looking for a place to contribute my modest programming skills to.  A link for a starting place or something would be great.
[04:55] <Jucato> Fahuadai: you will pardon if you don't get an answer at this time... some of the devs are at UDS right now
[04:56] <Fahuadai> no worries. i'm just about to upgrade to 7.04 anyways
[05:24] <dinosaur-rus> hi
[05:50] <nixternal> http://distrowatch.com/index.php?dataspan=1
[05:51] <nixternal> PCLinuxOS > Ubuntu || KDE > GNOME || who cares? :p
[05:51] <nixternal> hehe
[05:56] <jsgotangco> huh?
[05:57] <Hobbsee> hi spam
[05:58] <jsgotangco> hey Hobbsee aren't you guys supposed to have an elegant dinner or something
[05:58] <crimsun> yes, she's just teasing us.
[05:58] <jsgotangco> arrghhh!
[05:59] <Hobbsee> jsgotangco: in a couple of hours, yeah
[05:59] <jsgotangco> that librarian in the video looks stoned lol
[05:59] <jsgotangco> but the catchy zydeco music is a winner for sure
[06:08] <nixternal> jsgotangco: congrats btw on the CC thing ;)
[06:08] <jsgotangco> nixternal: thanks :)
[06:10] <buz> two things about the kde alpha packages
[06:10] <nixternal> 1) they aren't complete
[06:10] <buz> first, the repo in the announcement is not quite right
[06:10] <nixternal> 2) ... can't remember
[06:10] <buz> i think it should be deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde4-3.90.1/ feisty main
[06:10] <nixternal> buz: you are correct
[06:10] <buz> and second, they want to remove kubuntu-desktop :(
[06:11] <nixternal> hrmm, they didn't do that here
[06:12] <buz> http://pastebin.ca/483155
[06:13] <buz> i think its because of the qt changes
[06:13] <buz> kubuntu-desktop probably does depend on plain qt4
[06:19] <nixternal> well I know the kde4* packages dep on libqt4-*-kdecopy
[06:19] <buz> yeah so they yank out kubuntu-desktops dependency on qt4
[06:19] <buz> and kubuntu-desktop with it
[06:19] <buz> it should probably create a diversion
[06:19] <buz> or whatever the name for that was
[06:20] <nixternal> is it wanting to remove just kubuntu-desktop, or all of the applications that it falls under?
[06:23] <nixternal> hrmm, seems Riddell hasn't pushed the changed to bzr yet
[06:29] <buz> just kubuntu-desktop
[06:29] <buz> and a few select others
[06:30] <buz> see http://pastebin.ca/483155
[06:31] <nixternal> hrmm
[06:31] <nixternal> I didn't get that
[06:31] <buz> i wont install it just now
[06:31] <nixternal> I wonder if there was a change since I did mine the other day
[06:32] <nixternal> I don't have access to the site, otherwise I would fix that typo
[06:32] <nixternal> plus the modules I built for amd64 haven't been added either, and there are modules awaiting
[06:33] <nixternal> ahh well, will check it out later, time to get to work
[06:43] <bddebian> Heya
[06:49] <dinosaur-rus> hi bddebian
[06:51] <bddebian> Hello dinosaur-rus
[08:34] <paran> Hi. The apt sources line on http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-alpha1.php is incorrect
[08:35] <ScottK> Riddell: ^^^
[08:35] <paran> should be: deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde4-3.90.1/ feisty main
[08:37] <paran> nice work getting the alpha to feisty this fast btw :)
[08:43] <rbrunhuber> are the kde 4 alpha 1 packages compatible with gutsy?
[08:48] <_StefanS_> just saw that also :)
[08:50] <rbrunhuber> _StefanS_ : so we'll have to try spoiling a setup :-)
[08:51] <_StefanS_> rbrunhuber: I can test on my gutsy vm if you like ? :)
[08:52] <rbrunhuber> _StefanS_ : Would be a great help.
[08:53] <_StefanS_> be like 5 mins
[08:53] <rbrunhuber> _StefanS_ : thanks.
[08:55] <_StefanS_> rbrunhuber: its downloading..
[09:00] <rbrunhuber> _StefanS_ : so at last apt sees no dependency problems? So problems may only arise at run time.
[09:01] <_StefanS_> rbrunhuber: seems ok for now, its almost done downloading those 210mb of archives ;)
[09:01] <_StefanS_> rbrunhuber: nice having that 15mbit line
[09:01] <_StefanS_> installing now
[09:02] <rbrunhuber> _StefanS_ : Cool can't get a faster line than 6 mbit here near munich. Shit
[09:02] <_StefanS_> rbrunhuber: 6mbit is ok too :)
[09:02] <_StefanS_> rbrunhuber: I may switch to 20mbit soon, the prices seem to be going down
[09:03] <rbrunhuber> _StefanS_ : Is this in Germany?
[09:03] <_StefanS_> rbrunhuber: dk
[09:03] <_StefanS_> rbrunhuber: you know the country with the shitty taxes
[09:04] <rbrunhuber> _StefanS_ : whats so bad about your taxes?
[09:04] <_StefanS_> rbrunhuber: it installed fine on my default gutsy
[09:04] <_StefanS_> rbrunhuber: >50% on income, and 63% if you have a company
[09:04] <rbrunhuber> _StefanS_ : Fine will give it a shot tonight.
[09:04] <_StefanS_> rbrunhuber: cars = buy one and pay for three
[09:05] <rbrunhuber> _StefanS_ : Sounds like a real good opportunity to make a small fortune (if you start with a big one :-))
[09:06] <_StefanS_> rbrunhuber: well yes, and you end up keeping the country afloat too by paying your ass of in taxes.
[09:06] <_StefanS_> rbrunhuber: thats how it is though, nothing to do about it.
[09:06] <_StefanS_> rbrunhuber: goot thing you have imaginative accountants ;)
[09:06] <rbrunhuber> _StefanS_ : At least fast lines :-)
[09:06] <_StefanS_> rbrunhuber: my  company pays ;)
[09:06] <_StefanS_> sweden is where you want to be..
[09:09] <rbrunhuber> _StefanS_ : Sweden? I thought they had times where you could end up with 108% taxes for the last buck?!
[09:09] <_StefanS_> rbrunhuber: well thats alot more in dk, so I say again. Sweden is where you want to be.
[09:09] <rbrunhuber> _StefanS_ : But maybe we should change the topic for this is not #tax-discussions :-)
[09:10] <_StefanS_> rbrunhuber: right. EOF discussion.
[09:10] <_StefanS_> rbrunhuber: good luck on the kde4 thing.
[09:10] <rbrunhuber> _StefanS_:  Back to kde4 any shiny new featurs
[09:10] <_StefanS_> ;D
[09:13] <rbrunhuber> _StefanS_ : Saw some screenshots but still don't know if they are RL or mockups
[09:13] <_StefanS_> rbrunhuber: well from what I have seen so far its not really a desktop yet. Rather a few qt4 apps ;)
[09:14] <_StefanS_> rbrunhuber: but maybe that have changed, looking forward to see it.
[09:14] <rbrunhuber> _StefanS_ : So did you not start it up to now?
[09:14] <rbrunhuber> _StefanS_ : I mean the alpha?
[09:14] <_StefanS_> rbrunhuber: not yet. The package installer succeeded fine though.
[09:15] <rbrunhuber> _StefanS_ : This is what I've seen today: http://www.pro-linux.de/news/2007/11188.html
[09:15] <_StefanS_> looks like it yes.
[09:15] <_StefanS_> even the question mark icon left third position ;)
[09:16] <rbrunhuber> _StefanS_ : Have you ever tried avahi in feisty
[09:16] <_StefanS_> rbrunhuber: nope, not really
[09:16] <_StefanS_> rbrunhuber: supposed to something like upnp I guess, never had the incentive to use it :)
[09:17] <rbrunhuber> _StefanS_ : I'd like to play kbattleship over it. Just to be able to say, that i have played kbattleship over avahi :-)
[09:18] <_StefanS_> wow that sounds useful :)
[09:18] <_StefanS_> I dont do games so much in kde... have a wii and ps3 for that kind of thing ;)
[09:18] <rbrunhuber> _StefanS_ : Wow that sounded ironic
[09:18] <_StefanS_> :)
[09:19] <rbrunhuber> _StefanS_ : It seems that is the only very_low_overhead_directly_in_front_of_your_nose_avahi app.
[09:20] <rbrunhuber> _StefanS_ : I don't want to set up a avahi share thing just to share my handful of mp3s
[09:20] <_StefanS_> rbrunhuber: yea, it really seems...ehm... useful.
[09:21] <_StefanS_> like putting an extra windshield on a car or something.
[09:22] <rbrunhuber> _StefanS_ : don't you have a extra windshield on your get one pay three car?
[09:22] <_StefanS_> touch :)
[09:26] <rbrunhuber> _StefanS_ : You are totally right it is not useful, silly overhead (shutdown dns). But i think it's worth to try once. Just for fun.
[09:27] <_StefanS_> rbrunhuber: yes definitely, you might get an idea to create a new fork of it called haiku or something :)
[09:27] <_StefanS_> avahi and haiku
[09:28] <rbrunhuber> _StefanS_ : I'll create a fork called ihava where you need maximum configuration. Also known as infiniconf :-)
[09:28] <_StefanS_> rbrunhuber: that will get the advanced users busy :D
[09:29] <rbrunhuber> _StefanS_ : And it will be the new keyfeature of brainfuck os :-)
[09:29] <_StefanS_> hehe
[09:30] <_StefanS_> rbrunhuber: haha it started by crashing the ksmserver..
[09:30] <rbrunhuber> _StefanS_ : Or my tests will bring up tons of problems and bugreports like my bluetooth experiment
[09:30] <_StefanS_> rbrunhuber: thats real alpha stuff for you ;)
[09:32] <rbrunhuber> _StefanS_ : My middle name is segmentation fault :-9
[09:32] <_StefanS_> rbrunhuber: righto. Then its the way to go.. somehow the window manager seems borked
[09:33] <_StefanS_> nevermind, I have to do some work. Then I'm going to play resistance: FoM :D
[09:33] <rbrunhuber> _StefanS_ : CU.
[09:33] <_StefanS_> yessir.
[09:42] <ScottK> http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/2797