[12:19] <HungryBeerBelly> kde
[12:19] <mmHg> ??
[12:21] <Alexis> im on kubuntu 7.04..
[12:22] <HungryBeerBelly> i am on windows
[12:22] <mmHg> I am on kubuntu
[12:23] <mmHg> procrastinating and avoiding studying for finals :)
[12:23] <HungryBeerBelly> done with finals and school
[12:23] <HungryBeerBelly> now into collecting money :D
[12:23] <Alexis> no idea about my dvd reading problem with k3b?
[12:23] <mmHg> one more semester and I'll finally get paid to work, instead of the other way 'round.
[12:24] <mmHg> sorry Alexis - didn't see the question
[12:24] <mmHg> would you ask again pls?
[12:25] <alexis_> and i dont have probleme to play dvd (to watch video)
[12:25] <alexis_> prob in my fstab?
[12:26] <mmHg> sorry alexis - looks like you got d/c'd for the first half of your question
[12:26] <mmHg> are you saying you can't read DVD's in K3B at all, but you can play DVDs with other apps just fine?
[12:27] <alexis_> right
[12:28] <mmHg> what version of kubuntu are you running?
[12:28] <alexis_> i can read it with k3b but i have a "reading error"
[12:28] <alexis_> kubuntu 7.04
[12:28] <cWolfe> alexis
[12:28] <cWolfe> never mind
[12:28] <The_Un-Named> hello all, I got a question with multiple desktops, lets say I have a "macro" program that can move the mouse, if I run it on desktop 2, and switch to desktop 1, will it still move my mouse on desktop 1?
[12:29] <alexis_> i have this prob with a dvd-r
[12:30] <mmHg> Why are you trying to open a written DVD-R in K3B?
[12:30] <mmHg> I doubt it's your fstab if it's recognizing the drive and plays the dvd in other apps
[12:31] <alexis_> to make a copy
[12:31] <mmHg> ahh....probably an encoding issue then.  Not entirely sure how K3B handles dvdcss
[12:33] <alexis_> hdparm?
[12:34] <mmHg> check your dependencies - libdvdread/libdvdcss/xvid or divx
[12:36] <Lectus> Hello! I'm running kubuntu 6.06. What's the shortest path to upgrade to latest version?
[12:37] <mmHg> I always advise a clean install - seem to get less errors that way, and if your /home directory is on it's own partition, most of your data should be safe
[12:37] <mmHg> otherwise I believe there are instructions on the kubuntu forums
[12:38] <Admiral_Chicago> !update | Lectus
[12:38] <ubotu> Lectus: See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes for upgrading from Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft) to Kubuntu 7.04 (Feisty Fawn)
[12:39] <alexis_> yep..
[12:39] <alexis_> i'll try :)
[12:39] <Admiral_Chicago> Lectus: use a feisty CD to install would be the fastest way...
[12:39] <alexis_> thanx
[12:40] <strabes> Lectus: you can get a feisty sources.list, aptitude update, and then aptitude dist-upgrade
[12:41] <Lectus> I don't have a virgin CD right now to burn the new ISO. I think I'll do the internet update. It's a clean installation, I don't have any data to lose. Later I'll download the ISO.
[12:41] <strabes> Lectus: yeah, you might as well try
[12:42] <strabes> Lectus: you can get a fresh sources.list here: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/sources
[12:44] <naught101> I seem to have turned off my volume notifier - when I press the up/down/mute buttons on my computer, the kubuntu volume thing doesn show up any more. anyone know why that might be, and how I mihgt fix it?
[12:44] <mmHg> is kmix running?
[12:44] <strabes> naught101: you can configure global shortcuts for kmix inside the kmix mixer window
[12:45] <Lectus> are that ubuntu instructions valid to kubuntu too?
[12:45] <strabes> Lectus: the ones I gave you? yes, (k,x)ubuntu software is all in the same repositories
[12:46] <Lectus> it says I must type the command gksu "update-manager -c"
[12:46] <Lectus> but it does nothing
[12:46] <vellakd> I have a problem with mounting the windows partition via the terminal. Can anyone help?
[12:46] <strabes> vellakd: what's your problem?
[12:46] <mmHg> Lectus:  try kdesu instead of gksu
[12:47] <vellakd> let me get the error again...
[12:47] <strabes> mmHg: no there's no "update-manager" in kde
[12:47] <naught101> strabes: it doesn't seem to want to let me input the volume buttons, or the Fn+XX buttons
[12:47] <Lectus> that's why I asked if ubuntu instructions where valid for kubuntu
[12:47] <naught101> know why that might be?
[12:47] <mmHg> strabes:  lol missed that part - oops
[12:48] <vellakd> oh...
[12:48] <strabes> Lectus: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/sources#editfile
[12:48] <vellakd> it worked this time...
[12:48] <vellakd> sorry for bothering you...
[12:48] <strabes> vellakd: here's the line i have in my /etc/fstab for my windows partition for your information:
[12:49] <strabes>  /dev/sda1       /media/windows  ntfs-3g defaults        0       0
[12:49] <vellakd> well, this one was fat32, not ntfs.
[12:50] <strabes> vellakd: then replace "ntfs-3g" with "vfat"
[12:50] <vellakd> yeah.
[12:50] <vellakd> I got it to work
[12:50] <strabes> naught101: your function keys aren't working?
[12:51] <strabes> naught101: I can't help you with that sorry. try searching ubuntuforums.org. I've seen similar problems
[12:51] <vellakd> with sudo mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/windows/ -t vfat -o umask=0000
[12:51] <naught101> strabes: the volume buttons DO change the volume, but the kmix thing doesn't show, cause the kmix global shortcuts aren't working
[12:51] <naught101> no worries
[12:51] <tmbg_> dammit. danshtr & loceur are gone. was going to bounce some ideas off of them for my problem.
[12:51] <strabes> naught101: then run kmix, open the mixer, and set the global shortcuts....
[12:52] <tmbg_> I think I'm just going to make the customer buy a new router card or router though. would simplify stuff a lot
[12:52] <naught101> strabes: kmix it open, but I can't set the shortcuts. it will accept some keys, but not the x86volup and down keys
[12:54] <strabes> naught101: sorry, I can't help you with that =\ do you have an obscure keyboard or something?
[12:54] <naught101> dell d410. it used to work, now it doesn't...
[12:54] <Nai1z> hey all, any idea why my screen is fading to black after a while? screensavers off so is power saving :/
[12:55] <ejupin> nailz: same thing happened to me.. the problem just went away after a couple of reboots... weird..
[12:57] <Nai1z> driving me nuts ejupin, weird
[12:58] <ejupin> nailz: i know, it was very annoying.. i wish i had an answer for you, but my problem just disappeared.
[12:58] <Nai1z> ok cheers m8
[01:00] <Lectus> still can't upgrade =\
[01:00] <Lectus> it seems I'll have to download the ISO and install again
[01:01] <naught101> Lectus: why?
[01:02] <Lectus> Can't get it to update. Or maybe I'm doing something wrong
[01:02] <naught101> have you tried using aptitude?
[01:02] <naught101> update from what to what?
[01:02] <Lectus> yes... but I'm linux new user... don't know the right commands
[01:02] <naught101> ok, I can help
[01:02] <naught101> but what are you trying to upgrade?
[01:02] <Lectus> I want to update from kubuntu 6.06 to the most recent version
[01:02] <Daisuke_Ido> Lectus: little secret.  "oops, i screwed up, i have to reinstall" is the windows way
[01:03] <spazzed> hi, new to kubuntu... having issues with laptop resolution...  help!
[01:03] <Daisuke_Ido> Lectus: you have to upgrade to edgy first, then to feisty
[01:03] <naught101> ok. so you first need to get a new sources.list
[01:03] <naught101> oh, yeah, shit.
[01:03] <Daisuke_Ido> and this is where the exception to the little secret comes in.
[01:03] <naught101> go to http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic/
[01:04] <spazzed> laptop is stuck with 1024x768 and it should be 1280x768.... needless to say, it looks crappy
[01:04] <naught101> and select edgy, your system type, and your coutry
[01:04] <Daisuke_Ido> spazzed: what's your video chipset?
[01:04] <Lectus> ok... what I do with the new sources.list?
[01:04] <naught101> you got it?
[01:05] <naught101> so. go into a console
[01:05] <dogatemycomputer> i installed ubuntu on my girlfriend's PC last night.  For the first 10 minutes she said the special effects looked really cool but then they made her ill and I had to turn them off.
[01:05] <spazzed> Daisuke_Ido: intel 855
[01:05] <naught101> type 'sudo mv /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.dapper'
[01:05] <Daisuke_Ido> spazzed: that's a nice thing to have.
[01:05] <spazzed> 256 video ram
[01:06] <spazzed> i know, just wish it worked
[01:06] <Daisuke_Ido> spazzed: run sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[01:06] <naught101> Lectus: the type 'sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list'
[01:06] <naught101> and copy the new sources.list you got from the web into that window
[01:06] <Daisuke_Ido> and when you get to the resolution section, check the proper ones :)
[01:06] <spazzed> Daisuke_Ido: as su I assume?
[01:06] <Lectus> I got the new sources.list open in kwrite
[01:06] <Daisuke_Ido> spazzed: sudo
[01:06] <naught101> yeah, cool
[01:06] <ericj2190_> i need help. every time i try to use konversation with ssl i get a "KDE SSL Information" window that won't go away
[01:07] <Lectus> so, I go to konsole and type: sudo mv /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.dapper
[01:07] <Lectus> right?
[01:07] <naught101> yep
[01:07] <naught101> that is just backing it up. you don't /really/ need to do it, but it's safer.
[01:08] <Lectus> ok... I've done ls and it created the backup
[01:08] <Lectus> and now?
[01:08] <naught101> Lectus: the type 'sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list'
[01:08] <naught101> then copy the stuff from kwrite into that nano window
[01:08] <Lectus> ok
[01:08] <naught101> with shift+insert to paste
[01:09] <ericj2190_> i need help. every time i try to use konversation with ssl i get a "KDE SSL Information" window that won't go away
[01:09] <naught101> or use the mouse
[01:10] <naught101> Lectus: to save, just press ctrl+x, and follow the prompts at the bottom
[01:10] <naught101> ie. press enter, then y, or something
[01:10] <david_> nabend
[01:10] <Lectus> ok
[01:10] <naught101> done?
[01:11] <Lectus> yep
[01:11] <naught101> that was a quick root
[01:11] <naught101> ok, now type 'sudo aptitude'
[01:11] <ericj2190_> nobody has any clue?
[01:11] <naught101> aptitude is pretty cool. it's the command line predecessor to adept and synaptic
[01:11] <Lectus> ok
[01:12] <Lectus> it's open
[01:12] <naught101> once you're in, hit 'u', and it'll update your sources
[01:13] <ericj2190_> anyone know where i should go for help then?
[01:13] <Lectus> ok.. it's downloading some packages... i think
[01:14] <naught101> no, it's downloading the lists of headers from the new sources
[01:14] <spazzed> diasuke_ido: I tried... but it didn't seem to work...
[01:14] <spazzed> thanks...
[01:14] <Lectus> ok... done
[01:15] <Lectus> there are some update options to browse
[01:15] <spazzed> idiasuke_ido: it detects my video card properly, but the monitor is another thing... there are no settings for lcd's at least not with my resolution.
[01:15] <naught101> yep, in the update options, you an scoll around with the keys and 'enter'
[01:15] <Daisuke_Ido> spazzed: then we do this the old-fashioned way
[01:16] <Daisuke_Ido> spazzed: in a console: kdesu kate /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[01:16] <Lectus> so, I choose what? not yet installed packages? or packages that can be updated?
[01:16] <naught101> or, if you want, just move to the top level of upgradable packages, and select Package>install from the menu up top
[01:16] <naught101> or just '+'
[01:16] <naught101> just the updated ones
[01:17] <naught101> I assume aptitude does a dist-upgrade... I can't remember.
[01:17] <dogatemycomputer> ericj2190_: I looked around but I can't find anything except instruction on using the window to import  your certificate..
[01:17] <ericj2190_> !konversation ssl
[01:17] <Daisuke_Ido> spazzed: let me know when you get this far
[01:17] <dogatemycomputer> ericj2190_: what does the window say exactly?
[01:18] <Lectus> so, I go to the top (upgradable packages) and select to upgrade all packages?
[01:18] <naught101> yep.
[01:18] <naught101> then press 'g' (for 'go', I assume), to see what will be installed, then 'g' again to install it.
[01:18] <ericj2190_> it says ""Current Connection Secured with SSL" and has a bunch of information about the certificate
[01:18] <naught101> it'll take a while.
[01:19] <ericj2190_> it has a close buttton and a configure button. when i click close it just come back up
[01:19] <spazzed> diasuke_ido: I am using the live cd right now.. I am waiting for it to install....  give me about 15 minutes.
[01:19] <ericj2190_> when i pick configure it gives a bunch of ssl settings
[01:20] <Daisuke_Ido> spazzed: that will be easier :)
[01:20] <Lectus> can it be done from adept? it seems adept is GUI version of aptitude
[01:20] <naught101> ericj2190_: have you tried running it as root? maybe your config is stuffed
[01:20] <naught101> Lectus: yeah, it can
[01:20] <naught101> pretty much the same, but heaps slower
[01:21] <naught101> adept is the kde front end for aptitude
[01:21] <naught101> but aptitude is a bit more powerful
[01:21] <ericj2190_> root works fine
[01:21] <Lectus> ok
[01:22] <naught101> ericj2190_: you could try deleteing you konversation settings in ~/.kde/share/apps/konversation
[01:22] <Lectus> I hit g and it said it's updating some dependencies
[01:22] <naught101> or backing them up and removing them, and seeing if that helps
[01:22] <naught101> yep
[01:22] <naught101> is it downloading?
[01:22] <Lectus> yes
[01:23] <ericj2190_> all that is in that directory is logs
[01:23] <Lectus> I guess it will take some time to download... I'll take a bath and eat something... I'll be back later
[01:23] <naught101> that's it then. you'll need to restart to see some of the changes, and you might need to update a couple of times to resolve dependancies, but probably not.
[01:23] <Lectus> thanks a lot for your help
[01:23] <naught101> just do the same thing to upgrade to feisty
[01:23] <naught101> no worries.
[01:23] <Lectus> ok... thanks
[01:24] <naught101> ericj2190_: wierd that it works for root then... is the root instance using ssl?
[01:25] <ericj2190_> naught101: yes
[01:25] <ericj2190_> i renamed ~/.kde/share/config/konversationrc and i am about to try that
[01:28] <naught101> that's what I meant! heh. sorry
[01:28] <DaveTheAve> Can someone help me with a GCC link issue? This sould be really easy.
[01:30] <DaveTheAve> Excuse Me?
[01:31] <ericj2190_> yay, it works
[01:31] <ericj2190_> thanks
[01:32] <DaveTheAve> Please, help me with this GCC link issue.
[01:35] <animimotus> I have a sed problem, someone can help me please to extract the last term of a chain?
[01:35] <animimotus> echo "/var/www/directory" | sed '/<something_to_keep_the_last_term>/d'
[01:36] <dsmith_> hi
[01:36] <dsmith_> Another switcher...  http://blog.fon.com/en/archive/technology/fon-abandons-microsoft-adopts-ubuntu.html
[01:38] <Lennings> Hello
[01:38] <mmHg> hello
[01:38] <pope1> Hi
[01:39] <Lennings> Anyone know any good movie editing program for kubuntu 7.04?
[01:39] <mmHg> cinelerra?
[01:39] <Lennings> Okey
[01:40] <Daisuke_Ido> dsmith_: this is a memo from a CEO?
[01:40] <Lennings> I cant find cinelerra with adept... How do i install it=
[01:41] <pope1> I've got a question regarding Java.  I'm running Kubuntu 7.04, with Firefox 2.0, and I'm trying to install Java.  According to the Sun website, I only have Java 1.6, but according to everything I can find, I've got the latest version.
[01:41] <dsmith_> Daisuke_Ido: Ummm... not sure. I sped read the article, but its from whoever runs that site.
[01:41] <dsmith_> ...thought it was interesting to share
[01:41] <mmHg> http://heroinewarrior.com/cinelerra.php3
[01:41] <Lennings> ty
[01:41] <pope1> I tried downloading the version for Linux from the website, but it won't install or anything...
[01:41] <compilerwriter> Anyone have a good bookmark to instructions on how to do ssh in conjunction with pgp?
[01:41] <mmHg> better yet:  http://cvs.cinelerra.org/
[01:41] <SilentDis> hello :)
[01:41] <compilerwriter> !ssh
[01:41] <ubotu> SSH is the Secure SHell protocol. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSHHowto for usage. Putty is a nice SSH client for Windows; it can be found at http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/
[01:41] <Lennings> wow, looks hard to use :/
[01:42] <Daisuke_Ido> dsmith_: it is, and while it's pretty cool, it's...  lacking in grammar and such
[01:42] <dsmith_> i noticed that
[01:42] <dsmith_> but hey... thats on hem
[01:42] <dsmith_> *them
[01:42] <Daisuke_Ido> but hey internal memo, small startup, no big deal
[01:42] <mmHg> Lennings:  yeah, It's pretty snazzy.  there's probably simpler stuff out there if you just want to fool around though
[01:42] <Daisuke_Ido> definitely cool to see another company switch
[01:43] <dsmith_> true...
[01:43] <dsmith_> my boss misspells all the time..
[01:43] <dsmith_> lol
[01:43] <Lennings> My grammar is bad
[01:43] <Lennings> very bad
[01:43] <Lennings> Hmm, i need something light... Like cut paste add sound etc
[01:44] <SilentDis> got a few problems, hoping someone can help me with these.  my old 'puter died.  HDs were fine.  Friend had an extra 'puter sitting around gathering dust, he gave it to me.  dropped my HDs and vid card into it.  Kubuntu 6.10.  Problem points:  sound doesn't work (appears detected, but i can't remember where to enable digital audio output in Kubuntu).  Network doesn't work (appears to be detected as eth1, can't pick up an IP from my router).
[01:44] <mmHg> Lennings:  how bout this?  http://lives.sourceforge.net/
[01:44] <spazzed> I am new to kubuntu... what are some issues I should look out for in 7.04?  using it on a laptop...
[01:45] <Lennings> none
[01:45] <mmHg> Lennings: or this? http://www.kinodv.org/
[01:45] <mmHg> Lennings: :)
[01:45] <SilentDis> spazzed: mostly, HW support for lappies looks REALLY good in 7.04.  problem points are, and will still be, suspend to RAM/Disk.
[01:46] <Lennings> mmHg: I made this lol video with me overloading smarterchild on msn xD and i wanted to add some sound.
[01:46] <N6REJ> evening everyone
[01:46] <spazzed> silentdis... but that was fine in suse 10 with this laptop...
[01:46] <mmHg> Lennings:  haven't done much video editing myself, but those are the 3 main programs you'll read about :)
[01:46] <SilentDis> spazzed: also, lappy vid cards are hit and miss.  if you've got an Intel one, you're golden, if it's nVidia, the binary blobs work well.  if it's ATI... well... *sigh*
[01:46] <SilentDis> spazzed: you should be ok then :)
[01:47] <spazzed> I like that it detected my atheros wicard right off the bat... nice to not have to install madwifi from scratch
[01:47] <spazzed> silentdis: I have an intel 855
[01:47] <Lennings> Get Beryl :P
[01:48] <SilentDis> spazzed: you got yourself a GREAT laptop then!
[01:48] <Lennings> I cant find cedega with adept? whats the problem?
[01:48] <dsmith_> its hiding..
[01:48] <Lennings> zombie oh my god! where is cedega?!
[01:49] <spazzed> silentdis: fujitsu lifebook, 5020d... 1g RAM, 80g HD, 256 video memory.. 10.1 widescreen
[01:49] <SilentDis> Lennings: it's not part of the package system... you have to subscribe and download the deb to install manually.  $5/month.  http://www.transgaming.org/ - alternately, you can pull it for free from the SVN repo there
[01:49] <Lennings> ah
[01:49] <mmHg> or better yet - go with bleeding edge WINE :)
[01:49] <Lennings> I only play diablo 2..
[01:50] <spazzed> silentdis: only issue is that i am stuck at 1024x768 when the screen is best at 1280x768, so graphics are a little screwed up.
[01:50] <flake> anyone try the win98 compatibility of wine yet?  wondering if I bought mech 2 it would work
[01:50] <Lennings> and cedega has been off for about 2 months so its no point installing cedega anyway
[01:50] <SilentDis> Lennings: if you want to use easy cheasy prepackaged cedega, it's $5/month.  if you don't mind digging into an SVN, cedega is free.
[01:50] <spazzed> silentdis, have to reboot, brb
[01:50] <Lennings> Hm okey :P
[01:50] <SilentDis> spazzed: yep, X has some quirks with odd video sizes.  you'll have to dig into your xorg.conf file manually... and I am unfortunatly not the best to talk to about that
[01:51] <mmHg> diablo 2 has platinum rating on winedb with version 0.9.34
[01:51] <dsmith_> cedega looks interesting better then crossover?
[01:51] <dsmith_> does it use wine?
[01:51] <mmHg> http://appdb.winehq.org/appview.php?iVersionId=49
[01:51] <Lennings> ill go with cedega
[01:51] <Lennings> Em, kino
[01:51] <SilentDis> Lennings: if you only play Diablo 2, you can probably go with Wine straight and not have an issue..  I believe Diablo 2 was either OpenGL or DirectX7 or lower.
[01:51] <flake> wine I think tries to mirror the windows api/directx calls, so it is just as fast on linux
[01:52] <SilentDis> how do you enable digital sound output in Kubuntu 6.10?
[01:52] <Lennings> ok
[01:52] <mmHg> so does cedega.  IIRC cedega is a WINE fork that was trying to include proprietary code....
[01:53] <SilentDis> mmHg: for the most part, yes.  the big 'difference' with cedega is it offers a better DX wrapper (able to do 9.0c without trouble) and DX pixel shaders 2.0.
[01:53] <Lennings> mmHg: how do i install kino? xD
[01:53] <SilentDis> mmHg: also, it offers a VERY easy to use install/run interface.
[01:53] <dsmith_> so cedega is better the crossover?
[01:54] <dsmith_> I have been able to play halflife but thats it
[01:54] <mmHg> SilentDis:  always wondered what the big deal was... I use WINE for WoW and the occasional windows app and haven't really had to try Cedega yet
[01:54] <SilentDis> dsmith_: real tossup there.  they both work well.  I went with cedega because, at the time, it was the better choice.  now, i'm not so sure.
[01:55] <SilentDis> mmHg: because WoW has a OGL engine, it'll run GREAT in wine :)
[01:55] <Kr4t05> mmHg: I'll testify on Cedega's behalf.
[01:55] <flake> can't install fs2004
[01:55] <flake> :/
[01:55] <Lennings> i playd d2 hf2 hf1 steam ut2k4 heroes on cedega
[01:55] <Kr4t05> Lennings: Actually, HL2 works very well in Wine.
[01:55] <SilentDis> mmHg: the stickers are the games that only work with DirectX, and that's where cedega/crossover come in.  as I said, i like cedega at this point because i'm used to it :)
[01:56] <Kr4t05> Haven't tried it in Cedega, yet.
[01:56] <Lennings> mmhg: How do i install kino?
[01:56] <SilentDis> Lennings: there's a direct port of UT2k4 for linux.  no emulation needed
[01:56] <Lennings> oh yeah..
[01:56] <flake> btw quakewars et forums are up  =)
[01:56] <mmHg> Lennings:  Kino is a package in the kubuntu repos :)
[01:56] <flake> be sure to post in there for linux support
[01:56] <Kr4t05> They are saying that UT2K7 may be DX10 only... No OGL... :/
[01:56] <Lennings> Im not very bright, and this is my first month with linux
[01:56] <Kr4t05> I'm not sure if that's confirmed, though.
[01:57] <SilentDis> how do i enable digital sound output under Kubuntu 6.10?  will i have to reinstall Gnome to do this?
[01:57] <Kr4t05> Lennings: Welcome! :)
[01:57] <Lennings> kr4r05: i love kubuntu
[01:57] <Lennings> thx
[01:57] <SilentDis> Lennings: you've already prooved your intelligence by installing, using, and now chatting about Ubuntu ;)
[01:58] <dogatemycomputer> SilentDis: are you there?
[01:58] <mmHg> Lennings:  This is my fifth year running linux and I'm not very bright either ;)
[01:58] <SilentDis> dogatemycomputer: yes
[01:58] <mmHg> I just make fewer of the same mistakes.  There's always more to learn!
[01:58] <dogatemycomputer> SilentDis: do you use Cedega?  I was always curious if they dump their libraries back to the Wine project?
[01:59] <Lennings> silentdis: Its hard to understand everything when your alone xD i found IRC just now :P
[01:59] <dogatemycomputer> SilentDis: I was curious if it was worth spending the cash on.  I'm looking at getting rid of my Windows machine completely.. and I don't really have any interest in any games beyond DX9 in the foreseeable future..
[01:59] <SilentDis> dogatemycomputer: i have not checked recently... they said they would once they made up the inital investment into the tech, but i haven't herd about taht since.
[01:59] <mmHg> so what is everybody using for an irc client?  I couldn't stand Konversation and switched back to xchat.
[01:59] <Lennings> So Far, ive... installed 6.06, updated to 7.04 feisty... Theming beryling...
[02:00] <SilentDis> dogatemycomputer: latest Cedega lets you run damn near everything.  even oblivion lol
[02:00] <dogatemycomputer> mmHg: I ssh from work so I  irssi? is that right?
[02:00] <dogatemycomputer> how do I get back to the command shell without exiting irssi?
[02:00] <dogatemycomputer> SilentDis: that is very helpful knowledge..
[02:01] <SilentDis> how do i enable digital sound output on a soundcard?  got the speakers hooked up and everything, just can't find the switch in Kubuntu 6.10.  could someone point me in the right direction?
[02:01] <Lennings> Its fun, and powns windows
[02:01] <Lennings> But sometimes... I dont understand... like : Kino is a package in the kubuntu repos
[02:01] <Lennings> huh? :P
[02:01] <compilerwriter> I have a pgp issue.  I have a ?private? key on a usb stick that I was using as my login authentication via ssh to my home computer.  My ?public? key was put on some key server somewhere.  Do I have the facts correct or have I managed to confuse the two keys?
[02:01] <SilentDis> dogatemycomputer: i game all the time, haven't booted windows in nearly a year now :)
[02:01] <Daisuke_Ido> compilerwriter: that's the way it should be
[02:01] <Daisuke_Ido> well, more or less
[02:02] <Lennings> Dualboot? noneed
[02:02] <Daisuke_Ido> your private key's private, your public key isn't
[02:02] <mmHg> Lennings: it means you can open adept and search for and install kino
[02:02] <Lennings> AWW
[02:02] <mmHg> Lennings: in the K menu under system
[02:02] <mmHg> :)
[02:02] <Lennings> mmhg: why did i download asfff nvm
[02:02] <Daisuke_Ido> SilentDis: DRoD = good gaming :)
[02:03] <Lennings> mmhg: i know what adept is... -.-
[02:03] <dogatemycomputer> SilentDis: does your 5.1 surround work too?  that was my last question..
[02:03] <SilentDis> Daisuke_Ido: drod?
[02:03] <Daisuke_Ido> if you like puzzles that will have you ripping your hair out in minutes :D
[02:03] <makuseru> is there a ubuntu program to make audio_ts and video_ts files to burn a video dvd form a video file?
[02:03] <dogatemycomputer> SilentDis: I was reading an article talking about how linux provides even slightly better FPS than XP.. which I thought was kinda amuzing..
[02:03] <N6REJ> hey guys, I've got this weird problem going on.  When the system boots the informational screen is dumping ascii graphical characters instead of text, other then [ok]  and I suddenly have no sound.  This has been going on about a week or two now.  Anyone got any hints?
[02:03] <akao> can kubuntu write to a ntfs? I know it can't by default but is there a package out there that will let me?
[02:03] <SilentDis> dogatemycomputer: i've only got a digital cable.  i checked, sound 'works' through a headset plugged into output on the card.  i just need to enable it in the OS.
[02:04] <compilerwriter> Daisuke_Ido I am afraid to ask about the more or less comment, but I am a glutten for punnishment.
[02:04] <Lennings> Hey, is kino easy to use?
[02:04] <compilerwriter> s/glutten/glutton
[02:04] <Daisuke_Ido> !ntfs-3g | akao
[02:04] <ubotu> akao: ntfs-3g is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. Installation instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions
[02:04] <SilentDis> akao: yes, !ntfs-3g.  but, it would be a bettter idea to let windows write to your EXT file system.
[02:04] <mmHg> Lennings: dunno - never tried it. :)
[02:04] <Kr4t05> dogatemycomputer: Linux handles RAM better than Windows, which is the primary point. Secondly, Windows runs about 5000 un-needed processes and services.
[02:04] <dogatemycomputer> !ntfs
[02:04] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[02:04] <Lennings> mmhg: look cool :D
[02:04] <Daisuke_Ido> compilerwriter: not much punishment, i chose to keep my public key off keyservers, personally, but it works just as well that way
[02:04] <akao> i'm setting up a triple boot kubun/xp/vista and part of the process is making a copy of the grub
[02:05] <Lennings> mmhg: ur using?
[02:05] <Lennings> mmhg: ubuntu?
[02:05] <mmHg> Lennings: kubuntu feisty
[02:05] <compilerwriter> I signed it and put it on the one server so someone could easily download it.
[02:05] <Kr4t05> SilentDis: I agree.
[02:05] <Daisuke_Ido> compilerwriter: then no problem :)
[02:05] <Lennings> mmhg: cool :D
[02:06] <compilerwriter> I have good friends who would know my voice over the phone and that way we didn't have to mail any disks or anything.
[02:06] <jtt> !grub |akao
[02:06] <ubotu> akao: grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[02:06] <Lennings> mmhg: Can you do me a favour? install recordmydesktop and compare your results to mine... I got: Laggy record when full desktop was captured and no sound?
[02:06] <akao> i don't need help on the grub part of things
[02:06] <akao> just the ntfs deally
[02:07] <r> hello
[02:07] <jtt> akao, cant help dont do windows
[02:08] <mmHg> Lennings:  I can, but I don't know if I'll be much help.  I'm on a not-so-powerful laptop atm instead of my nuclear powered home pc :D
[02:08] <Kr4t05> Wow...
[02:08] <Kr4t05> Katapult is a quick calulator.
[02:08] <Lennings> mmhg: omg
[02:08] <akao> yeah i got it
[02:08] <akao> just backed up the bin to a removable drive
[02:08] <akao> thanks
[02:08] <Lennings> mmhg: okey... see if you can get the sound working.,
[02:09] <tobe> anyone here using kbfv ?
[02:09] <tobe> kbfx or kicker kickoffqt
[02:09] <dogatemycomputer> Kr4t05: huh?
[02:10] <dogatemycomputer> Kr4t05: katapult is just an app launcher.. it calculates too? *curious look*
[02:10] <mmHg> Lennings:  of course it's something I gotta go fetch from sourceforge :p
[02:10] <Kr4t05> dogatemycomputer: Indeed
[02:10] <Admiral_Chicago> anyone know how I can move a window to a different number in irssi
[02:10] <SilentDis> how do you enable digital output on a creative labs soundcard?  kubuntu 6.10.
[02:10] <Lennings> adept: recordmydesktop
[02:10] <Admiral_Chicago> like swap window 3 with window 4?
[02:11] <Lennings> mmhg: adept>>recordmydesktop
[02:11] <mmHg> Lennings:  not showing up on mine.... what version of kubuntu are you running?
[02:11] <Lennings> yay, spiderman 3 done
[02:11] <Lennings> mmhg: em... kubuntu 7.04 fiesty fawn?
[02:12] <mmHg> Lennings:  hmm.... me too.... lemme check my sources.list
[02:12] <Lennings> silentdis: ?
[02:12] <mmHg> Lennings:  oh wait...  the laptop's still on edgy... I forgot  - I only upgraded my tower at home
[02:12] <SilentDis> Lennings: downloading spiderman 3 and all :P
[02:12] <Lennings> silentdis: i dont get it?
[02:13] <Lennings> silentdis: Is spiderman 3 porn?
[02:13] <SilentDis> Lennings: (19:11:58) Lennings: yay, spiderman 3 done
[02:13] <Lennings> silentdis: joke
[02:13] <Lennings> silentdis: xD
[02:13] <SilentDis> Lennings: it's still in theaters :P
[02:13] <Lennings> silentdis: em...
[02:13] <Lennings> silentdis: no?
[02:14] <Lennings> silentdis: shh! your still in theaters!
[02:14] <Lennings> mmhg: okey
[02:14] <Lennings> mmhg: where are you dood :S laptop?
[02:15] <dogatemycomputer> Spiderman 3 wasn't as good as I had hoped.
[02:15] <mmHg> Lennings:  yeah - at the public library avoiding cramming for my last final
[02:15] <dogatemycomputer> mmHg: are you procrastinating? ;)
[02:15] <Lennings> Fuck, i cant see spiderman 3, havent seen 2
[02:15] <mmHg> always!
[02:15] <mmHg> I'm a professional crastinator
[02:16] <N6REJ> anyone got any idea how to fix my ascii problem?
[02:16] <dogatemycomputer> Lennings: don't worry.. not missing anything.
[02:16] <Lennings> mmhg: Sry, you have to... Em define? that english... I dont understand
[02:16] <dogatemycomputer> N6REJ: asky problem? ;)
[02:16] <SilentDis> aargh... screw it.  brb, gonna drop my old sound card and network card in, i can't figure out what's wrong with these :P
[02:16] <Lennings> mmhg: its 2 in the morning over here... Sucks
[02:16] <Admiral_Chicago> Lennings: watch your language
[02:16] <N6REJ> yeah, on bootup instead of displaying normal text its displays ascii graphical characters.
[02:16] <Lennings> ops
[02:17] <Daisuke_Ido> Lennings: procrastinating: putting off until tomorrow what you should do today
[02:17] <N6REJ> dogatemycomputer: I think it does show [ok]  at the end properly but thats it.  This is a recent problem.
[02:17] <dogatemycomputer> &#119;&#104;&#97;&#116;&#32;&#115;&#101;&#101;&#109;&#115;&#32;&#116;&#111;&#32;&#98;&#101;&#32;&#116;&#104;&#101;&#32;&#112;&#114;&#111;&#98;&#108;&#101;&#109;&#63;
[02:17] <mmHg> oooh.... look at all the pretty numbers
[02:17] <Lennings> daisuke_ido ah!
[02:17] <dogatemycomputer> N6REJ: so your startup screen is a bit screwed up?
[02:17] <Daisuke_Ido> you don't say
[02:17] <N6REJ> yep
[02:17] <N6REJ> dogatemycomputer: yep
[02:18] <makuseru> is there a program that will make audio_ts and video_ts files from a avi?
[02:18] <Lennings> w*f!
[02:18] <N6REJ> dogatemycomputer: my first clue was when the pc started beeping during bootup.  I changed to term and saw the ascii
[02:18] <Lennings> My computer sounds wired!
[02:18] <dogatemycomputer> N6REJ: have you looked through your boot log?  (dmesg or KSystemLog)
[02:18] <N6REJ> dogatemycomputer: no let me look
[02:18] <Lennings> The grafic card sounds like a chainsaw! when i do things with beryl1 :S
[02:19] <dogatemycomputer> Lennings: you're funny :)
[02:19] <baudthief> is there a tool that can show me HTTP traffic happenning on this machine? (ie: show the entire transaction with headers)
[02:19] <Lennings> dogatemycomputer: you're... dog!
[02:19] <mmHg> lol my desktop sounds like a harrier landing on the Nimitz, but that might just be the 4 case fans, 2 pwr supply fans, and the massive cpu wind turbine :)
[02:19] <Admiral_Chicago> !offtopic
[02:19] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[02:20] <Lennings> mmhg: your gear is?
[02:20] <makuseru> is there a program that will make audio_ts and video_ts files from a avi?
[02:20] <N6REJ> dogatemycomputer: dmesg shows some problems reading some dev/hdc sections, which suggests I need to run e2fsck, and Ksystemlog I can't find.
[02:21] <mmHg> Lennings - don't know, but tweaking kubuntu to work on the hodgepodge of parts I use sure gets interesting.  Currently having trouble with NVIDIA drivers - keeps telling me it can't find the kernel module
[02:21] <Lennings> file:///home/kim/Filmer/Annan Film/Denna Fr Bara Kim Titta I ;)/Pink Paradise/Pink Paradise del 1
[02:21] <Unix_Jihad> makuseru, devede is a good one
[02:21] <maass> way in ubuntu  sudo su and ather is su?
[02:21] <Lennings> mmhg: Your hardware! grafic card blabla
[02:21] <N6REJ> dogatemycomputer: to run e2fsck I just reboot in safemode and type sudo e2fsck /dev/hdc correct?
[02:22] <dogatemycomputer> N6REJ: that is about right.  You may need to unmount the volume first but it should tell you if it needs too.
[02:22] <N6REJ> Admiral_Chicago: evening admiral
[02:22] <Lennings> im gonna make my girlfriend use kubuntu!
[02:22] <Lennings> i wanna mount her!
[02:22] <mmHg> Lennings:  laptop is a thinkpad X40 running edgy,  desktop is AMD ath 56 with a Nvidia geforce fx 5500 and a pile of hard drives I ripped out of some orphaned windoze boxes
[02:22] <dogatemycomputer> Lennings: omg.
[02:22] <N6REJ> dogatemycomputer: ok, I'll go do that and brb
[02:23] <dogatemycomputer> N6REJ: sorry i'm not much more help!
[02:23] <tobe> short read in buffer_copy (backend dpkg-deb during './usr/lib/kde3/libkbfxspinx.so
[02:23] <tobe> I got this error while trying to install kbfx*.deb
[02:23] <Admiral_Chicago> Lennings mmHg  Please talk in #kubuntu-offtopic. this is a support channel
[02:23] <tobe> can someone help ?
[02:23] <dogatemycomputer> Lennings: they have to be forced to accept the future of computers.. hopefully.. windows free.
[02:23] <Lennings> mmhg: Em... nvm, wanted to see if my computer could match yours
[02:23] <mmHg> Admiral_Chicago:  ok - sorry
[02:23] <Admiral_Chicago> tobe: its not in the repositories?
[02:23] <s330d3r> silentdis: I am back, it's spazzed... this is much better now that it is installed, but still not the right resolution.
[02:24] <Lennings> dogatemycomputer: hihi
[02:24] <tobe> Admiral_Chicago: yes it isn't I think
[02:24] <tobe> Admiral_Chicago: dunno how to add it
[02:24] <Admiral_Chicago> tobe: what is the package called
[02:25] <Lennings> Good support channel
[02:25] <tobe> kbfx_0.4.9.3-20070225_i386.deb
[02:25] <Admiral_Chicago> tobe: open up konsole and type: sudo apt-get install kbfx
[02:25] <compilerwriter> Daisuke_Ido Where in blazes does the gnupg keep key files?  Where is the keyring I guess?
[02:25] <s330d3r> diaksuke_ido: I am back, my nick before was spazzed, you were helping me with my res issue...
[02:26] <Lennings> mmhg:
[02:26] <Lennings> 1,00 ST   324729  Gainward GeForce 7300GS 256MB DDR2,
[02:26] <Lennings>                        PCI-Express, "BP7300GS-256-TV-DVI"
[02:26] <s330d3r> diasuke_ido: I am back, my nick before was spazzed, you were helping me with my res issue...
[02:26] <Lennings>      1,00 ST   323495  Rebel R225 svart/silver, 2 X USB 2.0 och
[02:26] <tobe> Admiral_Chicago: it will install the latest one ?
[02:26] <makuseru> Unix_Jihad: but then it wants to burn with that program, i dont want it to
[02:26] <Lennings>                        Audio In/Out, 350W PSU, 20/24pin
[02:26] <Lennings>      1,00 ST   325548  NEC DVDbrnnare AD-5170 IDE Silver OEM
[02:26] <Lennings>                        DVD+R/+RW/DVD-R/-RW (Dual layer)
[02:26] <Lennings>      1,00 ST   308201  Samsung SpinPoint P80SD 160GB SATA2
[02:26] <Lennings>                        8MB 7200RPM
[02:26] <Lennings>      1,00 ST   324693  ECS 945P-A(v3.0), I945P, Socket-775,
[02:26] <Admiral_Chicago> !ops
[02:26] <ubotu> Help! Riddell, fdoving, Mez, jpatrick, seth_k, apokryphos, nalioth, Hobbsee, robotgeek, imbrandon, gnomefreak, Hawkwind, trappist, LjL, Jucato,  haggai, fooishbar, crimsun, seth, apokryphos, DBO, or nixternal
[02:27] <Lennings>                        SATAII, LAN, DDR2, ATX, 2xPCI-Ex16
[02:27] <Lennings>      1,00 ST   309926  Intel Pentium D 820 2.8GHz
[02:27] <tobe> Admiral_Chicago: apt-get is downloading 4.9.2 version
[02:27] <Daisuke_Ido> !paste | Lennings
[02:27] <Lennings>                        Socket LGA775, 2MB, BOXED m/flkt
[02:27] <ubotu> Lennings: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[02:27] <Hirvinen> !paste > Lennings
[02:27] <anothervisitor> I have the Kubuntu 6.1 live/install disk.  Before I do an install, there are files on the hard disk that cannot be replaced that I would like to have archived on a cd.  How?
[02:27] <Lennings>      1,00 ST   322818  TwinMOS DDR2 PC5300 1024MB Dual Pack KIT
[02:27] <Lennings>                        ,w/two matched DDR2 PC5300 512MB CL5
[02:27] <Lennings>      2,00 ST   312502  Akasa 120mm Bl LED Flkt,
[02:27] <Lennings>                        4 x Bl LED
[02:27] <Lennings> oops
[02:27] <Lennings> wrong
[02:27] <Lennings> window sry
[02:27] <Lennings> mmhg: hey, is my gear any match to yours?
[02:27] <Unix_Jihad> makuseru, no you have 3 choices, iso to burn, video and audio ts, and something else
[02:27] <Daisuke_Ido> s330d3r: any more luck with that?
[02:27] <Admiral_Chicago> tobe: what version are you using
[02:28] <Admiral_Chicago> of ubuntu that is
[02:28] <dogatemycomputer> are there any really good websites that document xorg.conf completely and in extrutiating detail?
[02:28] <makuseru> no
[02:28] <tobe> Kubuntu feisty
[02:28] <makuseru> it dosnt mension audio and video ts
[02:28] <Admiral_Chicago> !info kbfx feisty
[02:28] <ubotu> kbfx: an alternative to K-Menu for KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.4.9.2~rc4-1 (feisty), package size 1268 kB, installed size 3748 kB
[02:28] <mmHg> Lennngs  I'm on #kubuntu-offtopic - let's behave ourselves :)
[02:28] <tobe> Admiral_Chicago: Kubuntu 7.4 Feisty
[02:28] <makuseru> 7.04 tobe
[02:29] <Admiral_Chicago> tobe: so you want to install which version?
[02:29] <s330d3r> Daisuke_Ido: nope, what was the first thing that you told me to do before?  I think that since I was running from the dvd, I couldn't save the config file, so then it never really did anything.
[02:29] <Lennings> Admiral_Chicago suckercock?
[02:29] <tobe> Admiral_Chicago: oh so it's not possible to install this 4.9.3 ?
[02:29] <Daisuke_Ido> s330d3r: 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg'
[02:29] <Admiral_Chicago> tobe: yes it is. is it on your desktop
[02:30] <tobe> Admiral_Chicago:  ok lemme try if it works now
[02:31] <Admiral_Chicago> tobe: if it's on your desktop type (in konsole): cd Desktop && sudo dpkg -i *.deb
[02:31] <dogatemycomputer> is kbfx 100% compatible with the default kde start menu?
[02:31] <tobe> Admiral_Chicago: ok, brb
[02:31] <Unix_Jihad> makuseru, it calls it create disk structure, jeez, think outside the square ;)
[02:32] <tobe> Admiral_Chicago: no luck, same error as before
[02:32] <N6REJ> NUTS
[02:32] <Admiral_Chicago> hmm, not sure how to help you then. sorry :(
[02:33] <tobe> Admiral_Chicago: np, thnx you anyway :)
[02:33] <makuseru> Unix_Jihad: i didnt know that was called a disk structure
[02:33] <Daisuke_Ido> s330d3r: when you finish the reconfigure, come back here before doing anything else.
[02:33] <N6REJ> Admiral_Chicago: I'm having a weird problem and can't seem to fix it.  I'm having issues with sectors on dev/hdc and I can't seem to run e2fsck because when I boot into recovery mode everything is in ascii graphical characters.
[02:33] <Admiral_Chicago> !info e2fsck
[02:33] <ubotu> Package e2fsck does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[02:34] <Admiral_Chicago> what are you trying to run?
[02:34] <N6REJ> the file system recovery/check program.  It has always been e2fsck
[02:34] <dogatemycomputer> N6REJ: i'm under the impression you have to do that from the live CD?
[02:34] <N6REJ> hmmmmm may be.
[02:35] <Admiral_Chicago> fsck is the command in *nix.
[02:35] <Admiral_Chicago> probably just a gui implementation
[02:35] <dogatemycomputer> N6REJ: that's how I had to do it when one of my file systems went belly up.. (mainly because I was doin something that I shouldn't have been doing)..
[02:35] <dogatemycomputer> doesn't fsck simply pass the arguements to e2fsck?
[02:35] <N6REJ> Admiral_Chicago: e2 isn't graphical that I know of, its for the ext2 file system.
[02:36] <Admiral_Chicago> like i said, i've never heard of it so I'm not too sure how to help you
[02:36] <N6REJ> E2FSCK(8)                                                                                                                                                            E2FSCK(8)
[02:36] <N6REJ> NAME
[02:36] <N6REJ>        e2fsck - check a Linux ext2/ext3 file system
[02:36] <s330d3r> Daisuke_Ido: done
[02:36] <N6REJ> thats as much as I know
[02:36] <dogatemycomputer> N6REJ: I should boot from the live CD, go to the command prompt as root, unmount the partition then run fsck..
[02:36] <N6REJ> k, I'll try that.
[02:37] <N6REJ> be back again.
[02:37] <Daisuke_Ido> s330d3r: got the correct resolution selected?
[02:37] <dogatemycomputer> N6REJ: if that gives you trouble then I know there is a linux recovery CD that's real popular on the net.. although i've never needed it.
[02:37] <Daisuke_Ido> if so, ctrl-alt-backspace will restart X and we'll see if it worked :)
[02:38] <N6REJ> dogatemycomputer: yeah, well, if that does'nt fix it then its time for a new or at the very least doing a hard format on this one.
[02:38] <s330d3r> Daisuke_Ido: where would I see that?
[02:38] <N6REJ> dogatemycomputer: by hard I should've said low level
[02:38] <Daisuke_Ido> s330d3r: when you went through the reconfigure
[02:38] <s330d3r> Daisuke_Ido: I put it in the config, so yes
[02:38] <Daisuke_Ido> alrighty then
[02:38] <Daisuke_Ido> go ahead and restart x :)
[02:39] <s330d3r> but I have to restart x for it to take effect right?
[02:39] <Daisuke_Ido> yep
[02:43] <tobe> ehh.. now I did it .. I lost the KDE default start-menu
[02:44] <tobe> can't find it in applets list either
[02:44] <tobe> can some1 help :(
[02:44] <wezlo> hey all, what do I have to set up to be able to be able to use keystrokes to insert unicode characters?
[02:44] <makuseru> is there a room for k3b?
[02:46] <dogatemycomputer> tobe: I missed the first part of the conversation.  what's going on?
[02:47] <tobe> dogatemycomputer: I installed KBfx using apt-get , add it as applet into the panel, removed the KDE defalt start-menu
[02:47] <Admiral_Chicago> tobe: its in there
[02:47] <tobe> dogatemycomputer: now I can't find it in the applet-list anymore
[02:47] <tobe> it's...gone
[02:47] <makuseru> is there any program that will let you create a DVD and make yuor own menus for them?
[02:48] <Admiral_Chicago> looks like...a paw
[02:48] <Admiral_Chicago> wait what is gone? be clear please
[02:48] <tobe> the K-menu applet
[02:48] <dogatemycomputer> tobe: i'm sorry dude.. that's beyond me.  i'm going to boot the LiveCD tonight and screw around with it but I won't have any answers until tomorrow.
[02:49] <tobe> oh
[02:49] <tobe> sigh
[02:50] <dogatemycomputer> tobe: I wouldn't have even heard about this app except for your conversation today so I appreciate that.. I would never try it on my main system unless I got it working from the CD first.
[02:50] <dogatemycomputer> tobe: can you at least get your origional menu back by reinstalling it until you can get more information?  it seems to be beta still..
[02:51] <tobe> dogatemycomputer: emm I meant the original Kubuntu start-menu which has installed programs and stuffs like the start-menu in Windows
[02:52] <dogatemycomputer> tobe:  so you're trying to reinstall the origional KDE start menu?
[02:52] <tobe> dogatemycomputer: yes, or atleast get it back
[02:53] <dogatemycomputer> tobe: what happens when you try to add it back to the start bar?  is it just empty or something?
[02:54] <tobe> dogatemycomputer: the problem is, I don't even see it in the Add Applet list
[02:55] <pheaver> if a newer version of a package is released, do I have to wait until the next ubuntu release (Gutsy) to get the package (that is, unless I download the source and compile myself)?
[02:55] <Dragnslcr> pheaver- most likely no
[02:55] <dogatemycomputer> tobe: give me a few minutes.  i'll figure this out..
[02:55] <pheaver> ok
[02:56] <tobe> pheaver: I think just sudo apt-get update
[02:56] <pheaver> so in the release schedule for ubuntu, what does "version freeze" mean?
[02:56] <Dragnslcr> pheaver- once the package is updated in the repositories, you can update it with apt/Adept/etc.
[02:56] <pheaver> cause it just sounds like all package versions freeze until the next ubuntu release
[02:56] <pheaver> but then, i see packages being updated all the time
[02:56] <Dragnslcr> pheaver- it just means that they won't update packages between the freeze date and the release date
[02:56] <pheaver> ah
[02:57] <pheaver> so the package i want is gmpc... version 0.12 is in Feisty, but 0.14 is in Gutsy
[02:57] <Dragnslcr> I haven't noticed any updates for Feisty yet. It might take a month or so
[02:57] <pheaver> ah ok
[02:57] <pheaver> ok, i guess because i saw 0.14 in gutsy i assumed it would be *only* in Gutsy and not Feisty
[02:58] <Dragnslcr> You should see an icon in the systray if updates are available
[02:58] <pheaver> right i know
[02:58] <pheaver> how to use apt-get :)
[02:58] <Dragnslcr> I honestly don't know if they'll update it in Feisty or not
[02:58] <pheaver> i'm just not familiar with how often ubuntu updates packages
[02:58] <dogatemycomputer> tobe: I would suspect you need to reinstall kbase
[02:59] <pheaver> I come from Gentoo, and it's odd because some packages in gentoo are more up-to-date than ubuntu, whereas others are less
[02:59] <Dragnslcr> I'm surprised there's even a preview of Ubuntu 7.10 available
[02:59] <Admiral_Chicago> pheaver: we sync from debian unstable.
[03:00] <tobe> kbase ?
[03:00] <tobe> dogatemycomputer: sudo apt-get reinstall kbase ?
[03:00] <pheaver> ah ok
[03:00] <Admiral_Chicago> Dragnslcr: its not a preview, its really a development enviroment + toochain. but this is off topic
[03:00] <pheaver> does it make since to use a debian repository in your sources.lst ?
[03:00] <Dragnslcr> pheaver- looks to me like the current version of gmpc in the repository is 0.13
[03:01] <pheaver> oh sorry, i mean 0.13 not 0.12
[03:01] <Dragnslcr> pheaver- not really, I wouldn't think
[03:01] <tobe> dogatemycomputer: I was thinking of reinstalling kicker
[03:01] <pheaver> what about using Gutsy repositories?
[03:01] <pheaver> and choosing which packages to use from Gutsy and which to use from Feisty?
[03:01] <Dragnslcr> I'd imagine the delay time between the Debian and Ubuntu repositories is pretty small
[03:01] <dogatemycomputer> tobe: try sudo apt-get reinstall kdebase-bin
[03:01] <pheaver> ah, got it
[03:02] <dogatemycomputer> tobe: isn't the bar at the bottom of the screen?
[03:02] <dogatemycomputer> tobe: honesty.. heck.. does it matter?  reinstall it..
[03:02] <dogatemycomputer> tobe: couldn't hurt anything..
[03:02] <pheaver> if i want to use gutsy repos do i just change "feisty" to "gutsy" in sources.lst?
[03:03] <Dragnslcr> I dunno if that would work too well
[03:03] <tobe> ok :D
[03:03] <Dragnslcr> Might have some dependency issues and/or conflicts
[03:03] <pheaver> ah
[03:03] <pheaver> plus it'd also want to update all my packages to the Gutsy version, which i don't want
[03:03] <dogatemycomputer> Dragnslcr: if he's missing the entire menu system then i'm not sure how much more damage he could do..
[03:03] <Dragnslcr> Probably be just as well off downloading the .deb from the program's site and just installing that
[03:04] <tobe> dogatemycomputer: E: Invalid operation reinstall
[03:04] <pheaver> but i can at least use Gutsy repos INSTEAD of Feisty, right?  (if i want to contribute bugs and whatnot)
[03:04] <makuseru> how can i edit ogm videos? be able to set the defualt audio and subtitle track?
[03:04] <Dragnslcr> You can certainly try, but I honestly don't know how well that would work
[03:05] <dogatemycomputer> tobe: sorry..
[03:05] <pheaver> well, then how should i go about using Gutsy?
[03:05] <Dragnslcr> Very carefully?
[03:05] <dogatemycomputer> tobe: sudo apt-get install --reinstall kdebase-bin
[03:05] <pheaver> i mean, the repos are there so people can experiment with them
[03:06] <tobe> dogatemycomputer:  ok
[03:06] <Dragnslcr> Might want to check on a dev mailing list or channel. I doubt Gutsy is all that stable right now
[03:06] <pheaver> well, yeah, that's why i would only update the one package and it's dependencies
[03:07] <pheaver> sure would be nice if there were a way to "mask" the other packages, as in gentoo
[03:07] <dogatemycomputer> tobe: are you going to try it now and let me know?
[03:07] <dogatemycomputer> tobe: i'm done for the night so i'm just waiting to find out if it works before I go home..
[03:07] <Dragnslcr> If it's just for one package, you'd probably be better off getting the .deb yourself
[03:07] <tobe> dogatemycomputer: I trying it
[03:07] <tobe> dogatemycomputer: my internet is just slow :(
[03:08] <dogatemycomputer> tobe: how much does it say it needs to download?
[03:08] <tobe> okay done installing
[03:08] <pheaver> how do i find out from which repo a package was installed?
[03:08] <tobe> dogatemycomputer: result: did nothing :(
[03:08] <tobe> still no K-menu in the Add Applet list
[03:09] <pheaver> so guess what I did, Dragnslcr
[03:09] <dogatemycomputer> tobe: did you restart kde?
[03:09] <tobe> dogatemycomputer: forget it, go home and take a rest
[03:09] <dogatemycomputer> tobe: CTRL-ALT-BKSPCE
[03:09] <pheaver> I switched to gutsy repos, updated gmpc, then switched back lol
[03:09] <tobe> dogatemycomputer ok
[03:10] <Dragnslcr> Heh
[03:10] <dogatemycomputer> tobe: I think you'd need to restart kde..
[03:10] <pheaver> and aptitude doesn't seem to complain :)
[03:10] <makuseru> how can i edit ogm videos? be able to set the defualt audio and subtitle track?
[03:11] <KoZ> lol
[03:11] <tobe> now the whole panel is gone
[03:12] <dogatemycomputer> tobe: okay.. well.. i'm really really sorry dude..  i did a look around and there isn't anything to indicate this panel ever just disappears or instructions on how to make it reappear..
[03:13] <tobe> dogatemycomputer: ok np
[03:13] <Jucato> tobe: press Alt+F2, type "kcontrol" go to Desktop -> Panels and try changing the position and the Hiding settings of the panel
[03:14] <dogatemycomputer> tobe: have you thought about simply deleting the .kde directory and seeing if it will recreate a default desktop for you?
[03:14] <tobe> Jucato: I clicked "Panel" in kcontrol but nothing poped up
[03:15] <dogatemycomputer> tobe: Jucato has a good point..
[03:15] <Jucato> tobe: hm... ok try this. Alt+F2, "kicker"
[03:15] <Jucato> dogatemycomputer: *do not* delete ~/.kde
[03:15] <dogatemycomputer> tobe: if not then booting with the live CD and *moving* the .kde to kde_backup and letting it try recreating your settings..
[03:15] <ubuntu> hi guys, how can i reinstall grub
[03:16] <tobe> woho
[03:16] <ubuntu> now im in the live cd
[03:16] <tobe> it works now
[03:16] <Jucato> !grub | ubuntu
[03:16] <ubotu> ubuntu: grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[03:16] <dogatemycomputer> Jucato: what happens if you do that?  (hence my suggestion to back it up :) )
[03:16] <tobe> K-menu appeared
[03:16] <tobe> panel showed
[03:16] <ubuntu> plz help, im in the live cd...
[03:16] <tobe> Jucato and dogatemycomputer thanx alot :)
[03:16] <dogatemycomputer> tobe: how did you fix it??
[03:16] <Jucato> dogatemycomputer: you delete 1) your configurations and, more importantly, 2) your application data (mail, feeds, bookmarks, etc)
[03:16] <tobe> reinstalled kicker :)
[03:16] <pheaver> what's the difference between "deb" and "deb-src" in sources.lst?
[03:16] <dogatemycomputer> Jucato: thanks for the info dude!  I learned something new :)
[03:16] <dogatemycomputer> off to home..
[03:16] <Jucato> dogatemycomputer: also 3) it's not an assurance that it fixes what was broken
[03:16] <dogatemycomputer> :)
[03:16] <joecool> Hi All
[03:17] <tobe> :P
[03:17] <Jucato> pheaver: the deb-src is the repository for the source code of binary packages found in the deb repositories
[03:17] <pheaver> Jucato: well huh...
[03:17] <pheaver> i'm confused as to why i have these two entries:
[03:18] <pheaver> deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ gutsy main restricted
[03:18] <pheaver> deb-src http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ gutsy restricted main multiverse universe
[03:18] <Jucato> why are you on gutsy!?!?
[03:18] <pheaver> and why the first doesn't have "multiverse universe" at the end
[03:18] <pheaver> for fun :)
[03:18] <pheaver> pretend that's feisty ok?
[03:18] <Admiral_Chicago> Jucato: are you at UDS? I thought i saw you in one of the videos
[03:18] <Jucato> Admiral_Chicago: lol no way :)
[03:18] <pheaver> my question is why when i put "multiverse universe" at the end of the first line, it says it's a duplicate entry
[03:19] <pheaver> and how come gmpc is supposedly in "universe" and yet it installs just fine even though i don't have "universe" selected
[03:19] <Jucato> pheaver: maybe because there is already a "deb" entry for multiverse and universe somewhere down the sources.list file
[03:19] <pheaver> yeah, but not for gutsy
[03:19] <pheaver> these two lines are the only ones i modified to be gutsy instead of feisty
[03:19] <Jucato> yeah, which is bad, because you are mixing repositories
[03:19] <pheaver> and yet packages that i know are in universe are getting updates
[03:19] <pheaver> yeah yeah yeah, i know
[03:19] <pheaver> i am only doing it to update a single package
[03:20] <pheaver> and play around with it
[03:20] <Jucato> O.o
[03:20] <pheaver> i mean, aside from unstable packages, i don't see the problem
[03:20] <pheaver> like, with dependencies, i mean
[03:21] <Jucato> the problem is that gutsy was just opened a few weeks ago. it is in super pre-alpha stage
[03:21] <Jucato> but since you said you know, so I'm presuming you know
[03:21] <pheaver> i mean with mixing repositories
[03:21] <pheaver> i don't care about this "pre-alpha" business :)
[03:21] <pheaver> as i won't update any packages unless i want to
[03:21] <Jucato> and how will you prevent that from happening?
[03:22] <pheaver> i mean, it's not like i'm gonna get an unstable system just because i update a few programs that aren't system utilities
[03:22] <tobe> I want to make a shortcut of HDDs to Desktop, I managed to do it by dragging the icon from /media to desktop but these new icons showed as Folder .. not HDD icon
[03:22] <tobe> so is there a way to make them change to HDD icon ?
[03:22] <pheaver> lol, i just won't update them....?
[03:22] <pheaver> why, does ubuntu update packages behind your back?  no
[03:22] <Jucato> once you add a repository that has  more updated packages, it will automatically notify you that updates are available
[03:22] <pheaver> only if i have that silly adept thinigie running
[03:22] <pheaver> it's not like i have to obey it lol
[03:24] <pheaver> what i'll do is have both feisty and gutsy enabled
[03:24] <pheaver> and when updates come out, only update feisty packages
[03:24] <pheaver> it's not like updates come out everyday, so it won't be too much work
[03:24] <Jucato> ha!
[03:24] <pheaver> what?  seriously
[03:24] <Jucato> wait till they finish with UDS and updates *will* be coming more than once a day
[03:24] <pheaver> i'm not going to update my system every day
[03:25] <pheaver> yeah and that'll be what, a month from now?
[03:25] <Jucato> UDS is finishing today
[03:25] <pheaver> oh haha
[03:25] <Admiral_Chicago> already?
[03:25] <Jucato> have fun!
[03:25] <pheaver> well, either way, i see nothing wrong with what i am doing
[03:25] <pheaver> if i want to do a full update of all feisty packages, i just disable gutsy
[03:25] <Jucato> good luck. that's all I can say.
[03:26] <pheaver> pft
[03:26] <pheaver> i've already done it
[03:26] <Jucato> Admiral_Chicago: sebas said it's nearly over
[03:26] <pheaver> Ubuntu users are so afraid to try anything
[03:26] <Jucato> or rather tomorrow
[03:27] <dsmith_> which is better google picasa or gwenview?
[03:28] <Jucato> pheaver: about your sources.list problem. try reviewing the whole thing, line by line and check if there are other duplicates. I can't guess because I can't see the file
[03:28] <Jucato> dsmith_: hm.. not a close comparison. more like picasa vs. digikam
[03:28] <pheaver> meh, it's fine
[03:28] <dsmith_> hmmmm
[03:28] <dsmith_> ok so which is better?
[03:28] <pheaver> like i said, there can't be any duplicates, as those are the only lines with "gutsy" in them...
[03:29] <henrik__> hi, i got a problem
[03:29] <henrik__> BUG: soft  lockup detected on CPU#0!
[03:29] <henrik__> do someone know what it means ?
[03:29] <Jucato> dsmith_: can't say. haven't used picasa... but I'd imagine digikam would be better in some ways because it sits in nicely with KDE
[03:30] <dsmith_> jucato: ok thanks, I am evaluating both at the moment
[03:30] <Jucato> on a moral/legal basis, digikam is probably better since it's FOSS...
[03:30] <marcelol> Hello...switcher to KDE here...
[03:30] <Jucato> (not sure what license picasa uses actually)
[03:31] <marcelol> Anyone know how to make KNetworkManager support LEAP ?
[03:32] <marcelol> or how to switch to wpa_supplicant/kwlan (I'm using Ndiswrapper on an BCM4306 wifi card )
[03:32] <marcelol> any pointers would be greatly appreciated
[03:32] <Jucato> hm...
[03:32] <Jucato> !wifi
[03:32] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[03:32] <Jucato> sorry, not familiar with anything wireless (except my brain)
[03:34] <marcelol> ubotu...looked at that....it's not....terribly clear documentation..that and Kubuntu doesn't automatically install any doc for itself
[03:36] <Jucato> and ubotu is a bot :)
[03:36] <Jucato> hm... kubuntu installs a doc
[03:36] <marcelol> thanks jucato...I...just realized that about ubotu ( uBOTu...duh ...Marcelo )
[03:36] <Jucato> :)
[03:37] <marcelol> kubuntu has docs...but KNetworkManager only directs me to "online help"
[03:37] <makuseru> !iso
[03:37] <ubotu> To mount an ISO disc image, type  sudo mount -o loop <ISO-filename> <mountpoint>  - There is a list of useful cd image conversion tools at http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/CD_Image_Conversion - Always verify the ISO using !MD5 before !burning.
[03:44] <pheaver> if there is more than one version of a package available (multipl repositories), is there a way to force a particular version to install?
[03:44] <pheaver> And yeah, I know I'm doing something I shouldn't be doing, just wondering though
[03:47] <flaccid> pheaver: easiest way is to remove the conflicing repos, update, then install then add back the other repos after
[03:47] <pheaver> yup, that's what i did :)
[03:48] <Jucato> sudo apt-get install <package>=<exact_version_number>
[03:48] <pheaver> really?  sweet
[03:48] <pheaver> is there a way to list all available versions?
[03:48] <pheaver> adept just lists the most recent version number
[03:48] <dthacker> Is there a way to supress all the joining and leaving messages using Kvirc?
[03:48] <Jucato> apt-cache madison <package>
[03:48] <pheaver> nice, thank you
[03:48] <pheaver> i'm new to debian-based command line utilities
[03:48] <Jucato> or is it apt-cache policy <package>
[03:49] <pheaver> Jucato: both worked
[03:49] <Jucato> yeah, both works. I just forgot the diff between the two
[03:49] <pheaver> ah ok
[03:50] <pheaver> hmm... so i could definitely write a script that always chooses the feisty version of a package
[04:03] <LinkCanabico> Hi all how do i install the firmware for the ipw2200 wireless card?
[04:10] <flaccid> !wireless
[04:11] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[04:11] <flaccid> LinkCanabico: ^^
[04:11] <LinkCanabico> flaccid thancks il check
[04:12] <IAmWill> i am having trouble with my SD card reader on my laptop, it can read the 128MB card, but the 2G card can't be read, both cards are same brand, just different sizes.... any ideas?
[04:12] <flaccid> google has lots http://www.google.com/search?client=opera&rls=en&q=ipw2200+ubuntu&sourceid=opera&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8
[04:37] <Ashex> anyone know where I can find information on cpu temperature?
[04:41] <RXVL`> anyone have tips for getting AIM on Feisty?
[04:41] <hakaisoutwo> use kopete instead?
[04:42] <hakaisou> chikarask8r
[04:42] <hakaisou> bah
[04:42] <RXVL`> does it support AIM? (sorry im a kubuntu noob lol)
[04:42] <hakaisou> Yea
[04:42] <hakaisou> hold on a second
[04:42] <hakaisou> !Kopete
[04:42] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kopete - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:42] <RXVL`> I have it
[04:42] <RXVL`> thanks =] , I probably would of never found it either lol
[04:42] <hakaisou> everyone does, i'm trying to get a list of supported protocols
[04:43] <Ashex> Kopete supports all the major ones
[04:43] <Ashex> one sec I'll give you a list
[04:43] <RXVL`> its fine
[04:44] <RXVL`> all I need is AIM
[04:44] <hakaisou> good good
[04:44] <Ashex> Aim, Gadu-Gadu, GroupWise, ICQ, IRC, Jabber, MeanWhile, MSN, testbed, WinPopup, Yahoo
[04:44] <hakaisou> you ever used linux before?
[04:44] <Ashex> :P
[04:44] <RXVL`> yes
[04:44] <hakaisou> that's good
[04:44] <RXVL`> old school Red Hat xD
[04:44] <hakaisou> ah, i tried that once a few years ago
[04:44] <hitmanWilly> old slack user here
[04:44] <hakaisou> fedora core though, very similar
[04:45] <hakaisou> that was back when I was a major gamer, and before Wine supported many of the games I played
[04:45] <hakaisou> for that matter, I didn't even know of wine then
[04:45] <killown> kubuntu rox
[04:45] <hakaisou> yep :D
[04:46] <hakaisou> it's shiney
[04:46] <Ashex> anyone have recommendations on an id3 tag editor?
[04:46] <killown> while I am instaling system I can to use internet
[04:46] <Minataku> I prefer Gentoo, but then I'm a power user
[04:46] <Minataku> lol
[04:46] <hakaisou> This is my first distro that I've actually set myself to learn how to use
[04:46] <killown> gentoo for newbies  .. who like lose time?
[04:46] <Minataku> Linux Piyoko 2.6.20-Pyocola-i686 #1 PREEMPT Wed Feb 14 22:42:51 EST 2007 i686 Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.66GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux
[04:46] <tarelerulz> I want to use flash player with konqueror and I seem to have the plug so it can use flash player .
[04:46] <Minataku> All custom :3
[04:46] <arun> Hey, where can I get pictures of the Kubuntu Feisty CD to put up on my blog?
[04:47] <killown> I was using freebsd but I install kubuntu again
[04:47] <tarelerulz> It does not work how every when I go to some site like you you tube
[04:47] <Minataku> tarelerulz: Is it Flash Player 9?
[04:47] <hakaisou> I used Windows forever (again, I was a gamer), but it crapped out on me about a month ago, so I decided to give Kubuntu another try, and once I got it set up, it wasn't nearly as scary
[04:48] <tarelerulz> I just got the flash player off ubuntu repository
[04:48] <Minataku> If it's not then sites that need <8 (For the VP6F video decoding, like YouTube) won't work
[04:48] <tarelerulz> I really don't know why it will not work
[04:48] <Minataku> *>8
[04:48] <Minataku> !search flash
[04:48] <ubotu> Found: flash 9, gnash, flash64, fffc, flash, flash-also*, flash64bit, flash9, flashplayer, font
[04:48] <tarelerulz> I guess I could manully install it
[04:48] <Minataku> !flashplayer
[04:48] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[04:48] <Minataku> Bah
[04:48] <hakaisou> i think you mean
[04:48] <Ashex> tarelerulz, sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
[04:49] <hakaisou> !flash
[04:49] <ubotu> To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash - Flash 9 is now available in dapper-backports and edgy-backports - See also !Restricted and !Gnash
[04:49] <tarelerulz> I found the flash plugin -non-free
[04:49] <hakaisou> i wish there were a 64 bit version ;_;
[04:49] <Minataku> Right, I was just trying to get it to give me the version
[04:49] <Minataku> But it seems to not want to tell me that
[04:49] <Ashex> !info flashplugin-nonfree
[04:49] <ubotu> flashplugin-nonfree: Adobe Flash Player plugin installer. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 9.0.31.0.2ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 15 kB, installed size 108 kB (Only available for i386)
[04:49] <Minataku> There we go
[04:49] <Minataku> Thanks, Ashex
[04:49] <Ashex> heh, no problem
[04:49] <hakaisou> only flash I got is from Wine, and half the time wine doesn't output sound right
[04:49] <Minataku> It's 9, so I don't see why it would fail
[04:50] <tarelerulz> I installed  the none-free flash player
[04:50] <tarelerulz> It just don't use it for ever ever reason
[04:50] <Minataku> tarelerulz: Suggest Firefox, perhaps
[04:50] <neoalex> hi guys... I just installed kubuntu 7.4 on my desktop and it won't boot
[04:50] <Minataku> It might be called "Iceweasel" in *buntu, though
[04:50] <hakaisou> neoalex, 7.4?
[04:50] <neoalex> first of all I couldn't even boot the disk without apm=off and acpi=off
[04:50] <tarelerulz> I thought of that ,but I can't get firefox to work on here.
[04:50] <Ashex> konquerer itself is fairly broken when  web-browsing
[04:50] <neoalex> yes
[04:50] <neoalex> hakaisou: yes
[04:51] <underdog5004> hakaisou, 7.04
[04:51] <Ashex> It's still called Firefox in Ubuntu last I checked
[04:51] <Ashex> It's just the Debian folks who are being anal
[04:51] <hakaisou> aha  ok then
[04:51] <neoalex> oh... yeah... my bad... sorry
[04:51] <underdog5004> lol
[04:51] <hakaisou> it's cool
[04:51] <hakaisou> what's happening when you try to boot?
[04:51] <neoalex> ok... now I tried in grub passing acpi=off and apm=off but still no go
[04:51] <neoalex> in recovery mode
[04:51] <neoalex> it freezes when trying to start forcedeth
[04:52] <neoalex> even though it was working fine when booting from the disk
[04:52] <tarelerulz> Do any  of you just not have an app work and apept said it installed it and with out error
[04:53] <neoalex> ah one more thing... even though I passed it in grub acpi=off I still get an acpi exception when trying to boot as well
[04:53] <hakaisou> my ksysguard never worked....  still doesn't though
[04:53] <BluesKaj> yes , usually from "unofficial" sites , tarelerulz
[04:53] <dthacker> tarelerulz: yes, rarely.  That's when I start checking error logs.  What is the app in question?
[04:53] <tarelerulz> firefox don't work at all
[04:54] <neoalex> the exception says no processor device found (which is weird, cause I'm pretty sure there's one under this huge cooler)
[04:54] <BluesKaj> sites=repositories
[04:54] <tarelerulz> Konqeror don't seem to get flash playering
[04:54] <tarelerulz> I get it from ubuntu repository and it don't work
[04:54] <tarelerulz> I have laptop and I think I might not have had good installer cd
[04:55] <tarelerulz> I upgraded to 7.04 from Kubuntu 6.10
[04:55] <dthacker> tarelerulz: if you search for it in adept, what status does it have?  installed? broken? not installed?
[04:56] <tarelerulz> dthacker , I will do that
[04:57] <arun> Hey, where can I get sufficiently large pictures of the Kubuntu Feisty CD to put up on my blog?
[04:58] <tarelerulz> Dthacker it just says installed and nothing else
[04:58] <dthacker> tarelerulz: ok so kubuntu thinks that firefox is installed properly.  next we will attempt to run it from the command line.
[04:59] <dthacker> tarelerulz: open a terminal window and type "which firefox"
[04:59] <tarelerulz> dthacker, I run it from command line and no thing. It does not come up nor do it print any erorrs
[05:00] <dthacker> tarelerulz: hmmmm.
[05:00] <tarelerulz> /usr/bin/firefox , that is where it says the program is
[05:01] <dthacker> tarelerulz: if you type /usr/bin/firefox, do you come back to a prompt., or hang forever?
[05:02] <tarelerulz> dthacker , I run the  it and come back to a prompt
[05:03] <nbcb> what kind of raid services does kubuntu have
[05:04] <dthacker> !raid
[05:04] <ubotu> Raid and LVM --> very easy guide for alternate CD : http://users.piuha.net/martti/comp/ubuntu/raid.html Tips and tricks for RAID and LVM can be found on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RaidConfigurationHowto and http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO
[05:05] <dthacker> tarelerulz: I'm booting and I'll work along with you.  I have 7.04 as well.
[05:06] <levon> i have a question i have two hard drives one with linux one with windows the windows hard drive is master and linux is slave how do i get grub to boot windows? for a start i think i have to make linux the master and windows the slave but will grub boot windows after i do that
[05:06] <tarelerulz> I really think it is just the version of ubuntu I got is missed up in some way.
[05:08] <wolferine> whats a good app for putting mp3s on my ipod?
[05:09] <dthacker> tarelerulz: open up a second terminal window, so you can watch both at once
[05:09] <Jucato> wolferine: amarok, I've heard
[05:09] <tarelerulz> dthacker, I will do that
[05:09] <Admiral_Chicago> wolferine: amarok works very well for that
[05:10] <dthacker> tarelerulz: in the second window type :sudo tail -f /var/log/messages
[05:10] <wolferine> hope it mounts nfs
[05:11] <wolferine> cause Rhythmbox has alot to not desire
[05:11] <hakaisou> I love the software repository system
[05:12] <adap> i've got a adaptec controller which suddenly fall into degrade mode in linux.. and then after 2-3 days it automatically go back to optimal mode.what's happening? im using h/w raid.
[05:12] <NightBird> yeah, apt-get and adept are pretty freaking sweet
[05:12] <tarelerulz> dthacker, waht should that do ?
[05:12] <BluesKaj> never tried Rhythmbox, but i've heard ppl praise it in here.
[05:12] <dthacker> tarelerulz: it let's you watch the log for error messages while you try to launch firefox.
[05:12] <hakaisou> dude!
[05:12] <hakaisou> there is teaching software for C++ in here!
[05:13] <NightBird> probably
[05:13] <tarelerulz> dthacker, it just printed text on the screen and did not go back to prompt
[05:13] <dthacker> hakaisou: and a burger time game too.
[05:13] <hakaisou> :D
[05:14] <dthacker> hakaisou: burger-space
[05:14] <BluesKaj> amarok is well designed and it works very well in my experience
[05:14] <dthacker> tarelerulz: do you know how to use pastebin?
[05:14] <Jucato> hakaisou: teaching software?
[05:15] <tarelerulz> I am going to log out of linux. I have friend here
[05:15] <naught101> anyone know what package the kubuntu volume OSD is provided by?
[05:15] <adap> I NEED HELP on configuring my raid controller adaptec
[05:15] <tarelerulz> so I want to be a good host
[05:15] <tarelerulz> out
[05:15] <dthacker> tarelerulz: ok, good luck
[05:15] <Jucato> naught101: kmilo
[05:16] <Jucato> naught101: and it's not a program that you run normally. it can be started/stopped only in System Settings -> Advanced -> Service Manager
[05:16] <naught101> Jucato: ARGH! I was hoping you wouldn't say that.. I just purged it and reinstalled it, and the OSD still doesn't appear
[05:16] <Jucato> naught101: did you try checking if it's actually running?
[05:16] <dthacker> asap: please don't shout.  If no one has answered, then you may want to post to the forums
[05:16] <dthacker> adap: ^^^^^
[05:16] <naught101> Jucato: it's running
[05:17] <Jucato> naught101: in Service Manager?
[05:17] <naught101> yep. maybe I need to restart?
[05:17] <hakaisou> hi jucato
[05:17] <Jucato> not really sure... but maybe just restart KDE
[05:17] <dthacker> !OSD
[05:17] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about osd - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:17] <ScottLij> how do you reclaim the MBR for grub if you've installed window's XP after installing Kubuntu?
[05:17] <Jucato> hi hakaisou! what do you mean by "teaching software for c++"?
[05:17] <ScottLij> I have a Knoppix live CD if that helps
[05:18] <Jucato> !grub | ScottLij
[05:18] <ubotu> ScottLij: grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[05:18] <ScottLij> thx
[05:18] <Jucato> dthacker: OSD: On Screen Display
[05:18] <Jucato> several apps have OSD's
[05:18] <naught101> Jucato: what program runs kde services?
[05:18] <hakaisou> i misread the entry, it's a textbook that some guy put into the repository for his advanced C++ class he does every year in greenwich
[05:18] <hakaisou> o_0
[05:18] <Jucato> O.o
[05:18] <dthacker> Jucato: like a monitoring program?
[05:19] <Jucato> dthacker: no
[05:19] <Jucato> dthacker: do you use amarok?
[05:19] <Jucato> or k3b?
[05:19] <naught101> dthacker: no, like a simple display for some variable
[05:19] <dthacker> Jucato: yes, both
[05:19] <hakaisou> I'm still installing it, cause I wanna learn C++
[05:19] <hakaisou> but I probably won't be able to use it anytime soon though
[05:19] <Jucato> you know those simple small display/rectangles that display when you're burning in k3b or when switching tracks in amarok?
[05:19] <dthacker> ah, yes
[05:20] <Jucato> hakaisou: what's the package name?
[05:20] <wolferine> now here is a tough question, what can I use to record my streaming audio (Essential Mix, Realplayer)
[05:20] <hakaisou> c++-annotations
[05:20] <Jucato> aaaah
[05:20] <Jucato> yeah it's not a program. it's a book :)
[05:20] <Jucato> actually I think an old famous book
[05:20] <Admiral_Chicago> can i grab the source...
[05:20] <FisherPrice_> anyone have an nvidia GEFORCE 5200 128M card working with Feisty Fawn in 3D
[05:20] <hakaisou> installed anyway!
[05:20] <Admiral_Chicago> FisherPrice_: i do
[05:20] <Admiral_Chicago> wait, i got 256
[05:21] <FisherPrice_> Admiral_Chicago: anything special u had to do?
[05:21] <Jucato> hakaisou: http://www.icce.rug.nl/documents/cplusplus/
[05:21] <Jucato> though I'm not sure for what level it is
[05:21] <Admiral_Chicago> FisherPrice_: use the restricted driver, feisty didn't like my card
[05:21] <hakaisou> nani?
[05:21] <FisherPrice_> 256, 128 i cant imagine any difference
[05:21] <Admiral_Chicago> err, no actually X didn't like my monitor
[05:21] <crackhead_25> question: anyone know how to get a digital camera to properly "claim"/"connect" to digikam or kubuntu so that i can import the photos? i made a slight change in libgphoto rules .. "usb*" to usb system * or whatever as suggested in the forums, but it still doesnt connect.. gives an error..
[05:21] <hakaisou> oic
[05:22] <FisherPrice_> Admiral_Chicago: the legacy, or normal driver?
[05:22] <Admiral_Chicago> FisherPrice_: iirc legacy
[05:22] <Admiral_Chicago> !nvidia
[05:22] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[05:22] <Admiral_Chicago> you try that?
[05:23] <Jucato> legacy for 5200??
[05:23] <FisherPrice_> ? just asking
[05:23] <hakaisou> jucato, would you know anything about where I could learn C++?
[05:23] <wolferine> what can I use to record my streaming audio (Essential Mix, Realplayer)
[05:23] <BluesKaj> Admiral_Chicago, I reverted back to edgy , now everything works again ...for me feisty isn't handling the hardware very well
[05:23] <Jucato> hakaisou: um.. from a book? I'm learning it as well :)
[05:23] <wolferine> hakaisou, google?
[05:23] <hakaisou> haha
[05:24] <Admiral_Chicago> BluesKaj: thats odd, did you try a fresh install?
[05:24] <hitmanWilly> oh, wow! i got slashdot mod points:)
[05:24] <naught101> well that didn't work
[05:24] <hakaisou> sorry, i assumed you had some experience with it.
[05:24] <BluesKaj> 3 times Admiral_Chicago
[05:24] <Jucato> FisherPrice_: GeForce FX 5200?
[05:24] <hakaisou> i'll see if there is a college course that I can take for it
[05:24] <FisherPrice_> Jucato: yeah
[05:24] <Admiral_Chicago> BluesKaj: tough
[05:24] <crackhead_25> anyone?
[05:24] <crackhead_25> admiral_chicago: do you havea ny ideas?
[05:24] <Admiral_Chicago> on?
[05:24] <FisherPrice_> ive had problem in dapper and edgy
[05:24] <Jucato> FisherPrice_: http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/1.0-9755/README/appendix-a.html lists it as supported by the latest driver
[05:24] <crackhead_25> getting a digital camera to connect so that photos can be imported
[05:25] <Admiral_Chicago> no
[05:25] <Jucato> FisherPrice_: try the nvidia-glx-new driver
[05:25] <Admiral_Chicago> sorry
[05:25] <Jucato> hakaisou: good for you :)
[05:25] <Admiral_Chicago> be back later. school work
[05:25] <FisherPrice_> Jucato: ty
[05:25] <Jucato> hakaisou: I can give you some links from my bookmark repository
[05:25] <BluesKaj> no  not tough at all, actaully i see little diff ...it's nice when everything works :)
[05:25] <Jucato> bye Admiral_Chicago! good luck with school
[05:25] <dthacker> wolferine: my searches are coming up with something called streamripper
[05:26] <wolferine> wonder if it records RAM
[05:26] <Admiral_Chicago> thanks Jucato :)
[05:27] <BluesKaj> streamtuner is the radio streamer , streamripper is the recording utility
[05:27] <BluesKaj> gotta have both
[05:28] <Jucato> hakaisou: http://del.icio.us/jucato/"C++"
[05:28] <BluesKaj> but amarok has both in one pkg
[05:28] <wolferine> BluesKaj, do record .ram?
[05:28] <crackhead_25> can anyone help with connecting/importing photos from a digital camera? ?
[05:28] <wolferine> crackhead_25, turn it on :)
[05:29] <BluesKaj> err ram ?
[05:31] <Jucato> real media
[05:31] <crackhead_25> i turned it on
[05:31] <crackhead_25> it says "could not claim camera" or some such error
[05:31] <BluesKaj> real audio
[05:31] <wolferine> the "some such error" might tell you something about it
[05:32] <wolferine> stop smoking crack
[05:32] <BluesKaj> dunno , i don't believe in real audio ...avoided it in windows and linux too
[05:32] <wolferine> doesnt matter if you beleive in it
[05:32] <wolferine> i want to record it....
[05:32] <BluesKaj> does to me
[05:32] <BluesKaj> wel then get real audio for linux
[05:33] <wolferine> your not the sharpest tool in the shed are you?
[05:33] <TheCreationist> If my sound and cd drives work right now, is there any reason to think they may not when upgrading to Feisty (I'm using Edgy)?  I know that they didn't work with a clean install of Feisty.
[05:33] <BluesKaj> eeeuuuww.. insulting now are we ... musta hit a nerve
[05:34] <wolferine> your stupidity hit a nerve
[05:34] <wolferine> thats about it
[05:36] <BluesKaj> TheCreationist, the alsa mixer is by default totally muted after a clean install ...it's one of the sound probs to check
[05:36] <kai> Im tryin to rip one my DvDs and it doens't mount movie DVDs but it will mount software dvd why would it do that
[05:36] <TheCreationist> BluesKaj: Seems to me that I remember checking that, though.  I had come in here and asked about it.
[05:36] <mantan> s
[05:36] <TheCreationist> BluesKaj: But the sound aside, Feisty didn't recognize either of my cd drives...
[05:36] <mantan> I have no sound
[05:36] <Jucato> !patience | wolferine
[05:36] <ubotu> wolferine: The people here are volunteers, your attitude may determine how fast you are helped.  Not everyone is available all the time, likewise not every answer is available instantly. See also http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[05:37] <wolferine> !buzz off | Jucato
[05:37] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about buzz off - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:37] <Jucato> wolferine: please be civil or leave
[05:37] <TheCreationist> wolferine: Well, you've pretty much secured your place in here of NOT receiving any assistance.  So you buzz off.
[05:37] <wolferine> i help here all the time
[05:38] <Alonea> this is odd. my laptop came with a controller and I had tried using it before with kaffiene, but it never worked. I was playing with it in my hand while reading a pdf and if I push the fast forward button it puts konqueror in full screen mode. So that means something is seeing my controller. Would it be possible to get it to do more?
[05:38] <Jucato> wolferine: then you should know by now how to behave in here
[05:38] <wolferine> maybe you should stop being so judgemental
[05:38] <TheCreationist> wolferine: BluesKaj and Jucato are here almost every day offering their help for free.  Don't expect to be able to come in here acting like a 12 year old jackass and still get help - you won't.
[05:38] <wolferine> Jucato, then so should you
[05:38] <wolferine> TheCreationist, I do my part as well
[05:38] <wolferine> so lay off
[05:38] <TheCreationist> wolferine: Yeah, I see that.  Do it elsewhere.
[05:38] <hitmanWilly> Alonea: i get that a lot, the buttons are just mapped to different actions than kaffeine's defaults
[05:39] <wolferine> TheCreationist, no
[05:39] <Jucato> wolferine: I am asking you to behave properly. calling people stupid isn't proper. specially someone who at least tried to help you
[05:39] <mantan> wolferine & krew: take your fight somewhere else maybe?
[05:39] <wolferine> they were not trying to help
[05:39] <BluesKaj> wow , that's actually unusual, TheCreationist...my experience with feity wasn't satisfactory so i reinstalled edgy . not that i recommend doing what i did , cuz my pc is filled with ati stuff
[05:39] <TheCreationist> lol just can't win a debate with the unintelligent.  Moving on.
[05:40] <TheCreationist> BluesKaj: I have nvidia.  But yeah, I did a clean install of Feisty and things just didn't work anymore, so I went back and reinstalled Edgy.  But now, for some reason, I can't get most video files to play, and DVDs won't play anymore either.  I lack the linux skill to fix it myself ;)
[05:40] <Jucato> TheCreationist: let's stop with the name calling. doesn't really help the situation ;)
[05:40] <Alonea> hitmanWilly: can I map the buttons somehow with kaffeine and other programs?
[05:40] <TheCreationist> Jucato: 1,000 apologies, sir :)
[05:40] <Jucato> :P
[05:41] <Coldwar55> I see a lot of people with their system stats on their desktop
[05:41] <mantan> I have no sound, I'm running with fiesty on a toshiba satellite laptop.
[05:41] <BluesKaj> TheCreationist, the libdvdcss2 files are prolly one of the codec pkges you need for starters
[05:41] <mantan> I didn't have it when I used dapper wither
[05:41] <Coldwar55> What is the app called?
[05:41] <hitmanWilly> Alonea: there's a way to do it through kcontrol, it basically assigns the buttons to directly interface with the prog
[05:41] <Alonea> hitmanWilly: would be awesome if I pressed the power button that it would go to the log out screen.
[05:42] <Jucato> !superkaramba | Coldwar55
[05:42] <ubotu> Coldwar55: superkaramba is an application that gives you interactive eye-candy on your desktop. To get themes for it, head over to http://kde-look.org
[05:42] <mantan> either*
[05:42] <BluesKaj> ffmpeg, win32codecs to name some more
[05:42] <Coldwar55> Thanks :p
[05:42] <Alonea> hitmanWilly: ok. I will see what I can get figured out. Is kcontrol already installed?
[05:42] <TheCreationist> BluesKaj: Well, I've installed all the codecs necessary, but for example, VLC will open the file, but not play it.  Kaffeine says there is no data on the DVD ... and browsing the DVD with Konq shows it as empty as well.
[05:42] <hitmanWilly> Alonea: yes, but you have to alt-f2 it if you have feisty
[05:43] <Alonea> hitmanWilly: okies
[05:43] <mantan> I have no sound, I'm running with fiesty on a toshiba satellite laptop. I didn't have sound when I was using dapper either.
[05:43] <BluesKaj> strange TheCreationist, but it sounds like you need drivers for your drives..scuse the pun :)
[05:43] <Jucato> mantan: tried the sound troubleshooting wiki page?
[05:44] <Jucato> !sound | mantan
[05:44] <ubotu> mantan: If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[05:44] <TheCreationist> BluesKaj: Really?  They always worked flawlessly before lol
[05:44] <crimsun> mantan: which model? A1xx?
[05:44] <Alonea> hitmanWilly: would it be an OBEX device? irda?
[05:44] <hitmanWilly> TheCreationist: have you tried editing fstab to use the actual device names vice uuid's?
[05:45] <BluesKaj> well, that's the limit of my limited knowledge , TheCreationist ...maybe one of the more experienced guys can help , hitmanWilly or Jucato
[05:45] <Jucato> mantan: oh you're in luck! crimsun is here! :D
[05:45] <hitmanWilly> Alonea: im not really sure, i did it once a couple years back with a multimedia keyboard
[05:45] <TheCreationist> hitmanWilly: Never needed to before.  But I'm going ahead witht he Feisty upgrade right now... we'll see if that works.  If not I'll just do another clean install of Edgy (thank God for a separate /home partition) :)
[05:45] <mantan> I have no idea what model it is. It's got a 17" screen, dual core, a nvidia graphics card and I bought it in december
[05:45] <crimsun> mantan: it uh, doesn't say on the bottom of the laptop?
[05:46] <mantan> good point, I am definately a tool :P. It's a Satellite p100
[05:46] <crimsun> mantan: please read http://www.linux-sound.info/alsa/index.php?task=support and tell me the URL of the paste generated by the script linked from that page.
[05:46] <Alonea> hitmanWilly: ah, ok. well, IRD would be the little receiver thing for controllers in general right? infared device and I guess a might be application or something
[05:47] <Coldwar55> Wow
[05:47] <BluesKaj> smart idea TheCreationist, altho separate partitions din't work for me after X got totally corrupted and unretrieveable
[05:47] <Coldwar55> Kubuntu is so nice on the resources :p
[05:48] <TheCreationist> BluesKaj: Well, it's been amazing for me so far, especially since I've had to reinstall Kubuntu about 20 times (no exaggeration).
[05:48] <BluesKaj> wow
[05:48] <TheCreationist> BluesKaj: Of course, it took me about 5 installs before I made that separate partition... but now it saves a LOT of time backing things up
[05:48] <Alonea> hitmanWilly: ok, for when you set the buttons for your media keys on your keyboard, how did you do that? Not seeing really any place to set buttons
[05:49] <hitmanWilly> Alonea, try under input actions under regional/accessibility, it basically sets up macros
[05:49] <BluesKaj> i've done it about 6 times , but i'm old so i tired easy :)
[05:49] <Ashex> how does one stop X from starting up?
[05:49] <Ashex> or more specifically, how does one change the runlevel in init?
[05:49] <Alonea> hitmanWilly: there we go. didn't know what section to go to
[05:49] <Ashex> Ubuntu doesn't have an inittab :(
[05:49] <hitmanWilly> Alonea: if its recoignizing the remote, it should recoignize input from it
[05:50] <TheCreationist> BluesKaj: Well, I just lack the knowledge to fix all the problems I've had.  Reinstalling takes care of it, just takes a LOT of work with having to reinstall all the codecs/drivers and such.  That's why I was excited about Feisty - but without sound, what good does MP3 support do? ;)
[05:50] <hitmanWilly> Alonea: also, its been a while since i did this, so i don't know how much help i can be :P
[05:50] <Alonea> hitmanWilly: well, at least you try.
[05:52] <jmartinez> hi, how do I turn off the annoying sound, for tab completion?
[05:52] <Jucato> jmartinez: what do you mean?
[05:53] <jmartinez> well, whenever i press tab on konsole i get some alarm for incorrect tab completions
[05:53] <Jucato> ah
[05:54] <hitmanWilly> Ashex: thanks to upstart, rc.local is kinda similar
[05:54] <IceMANG> Can someone help me set up CPU temp monitoring on an MSI K8T-Neo2 under Kubuntu 6.10?
[05:54] <BluesKaj> agreed TheCreationist...I fought for a week trying to find out how to turn on the spdif/pcm audio output , to feed my home theater receiver in the tv room...turns out the iec958 designated has to be unmuted altho there's vol ctrl associated with it and the iec958p feed has to be set to analog
[05:54] <Jucato> jmartinez: Settings -> Bell
[05:54] <jmartinez> yeah got it thx :)
[05:54] <Ashex> hmm
[05:55] <Ashex> I'll take a look at rc.local
[05:55] <purpleposeidon> how can I get a taskbar icon for the battery levels on a laptop?
[05:57] <BluesKaj> sacktime gents and gentilles ... talk to ya tomorrow,God wiling , ..nite all
[05:57] <mantan> crimsun:http://pastebin.ca/482061
[05:59] <Coldwar55> I'd have to say that Kubuntu/Ubuntu is the best Linux distro I have used yet
[05:59] <crimsun> mantan: http://adhd.irule.net/~crimsun/test-azx-stac92xx-fixes/
[06:00] <crimsun> mantan: replace your existing modules with the ones that I provide there
[06:00] <hitmanWilly> Coldwar55: ok, go on #gentoo and repeat that, it'll be fun :)
[06:00] <mantan> how do I go about doing that?
[06:00] <crimsun> mantan: well, first download both files.
[06:00] <Coldwar55> lol hitman
[06:00] <Coldwar55> Well
[06:00] <Coldwar55> I've used Gentoo before but the live-CD is a pain
[06:00] <Coldwar55> and I hated the manual installation way back when
[06:00] <Coldwar55> Although I did learn a lot
[06:01] <mantan> kk
[06:01] <IceMANG> is there a way for k/ubuntu to manage CPU temperature and throttling?
[06:02] <mantan> crimsun:done, what next
[06:02] <crimsun> mantan: where are they located now?
[06:02] <mantan> in my main folder
[06:02] <crimsun> and where is that?
[06:03] <mantan>  /home/mantan
[06:03] <crimsun> ok
[06:04] <crimsun> now, sudo install -m644 snd-hda-codec.ko /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/kernel/sound/pci/hda/
[06:04] <crimsun> then, sudo install -m644 snd-hda-intel.ko /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/kernel/sound/pci/hda/
[06:04] <kai> is there any way around the encryption on dvds to rip?
[06:04] <crimsun> kai: for starters, you need libdvdcss2 installed.
[06:05] <kai> I just relized my dvd player will not play I guess encrypteded dvd
[06:05] <kai> some it will play other it wont
[06:05] <mantan> crimsun: should anything other than a new input line be below it after I input it
[06:05] <navets> can someone help me with using my tv as a monitor... I can do it on windows but i dont know how to do it in kubuntu
[06:05] <crimsun> mantan: no.
[06:06] <navets> i am using svideo
[06:06] <crimsun> mantan: in the UNIX tradition, install will only display errors if the command fails.
[06:06] <kubuntu> i need help
[06:06] <kubuntu> i am tryin to install 3d desktop
[06:07] <kubuntu> and when i go to install
[06:07] <mantan> crimsun: what do I do now?
[06:07] <crimsun> mantan: sudo depmod -e
[06:07] <crimsun> mantan: then, rebooot
[06:07] <crimsun> -o
[06:07] <kubuntu> when i go to install glibc-libidn-2.5 i gives me permisson denied
[06:08] <Admiral_Chicago> kubuntu: you super user?
[06:08] <Admiral_Chicago> kai: thats the problem with DRM
[06:09] <mantan> so is there any particular reason that you HAVE to use sudo? I often just go into root session if it's a tag I know or whatever, is it generally a bad Idea to root shell?
[06:09] <Admiral_Chicago> mantan: its safer, you can enabled a root account though
[06:09] <kubuntu> can you help im not to much of a "Super User"
[06:09] <Admiral_Chicago> kubuntu: hov are you trying to install things?
[06:10] <kai> Admiral_Chicago: Oh, so there nothign I can do eh?
[06:10] <Admiral_Chicago> not really, rip the dvd and burn the iso maybe
[06:10] <kai> Im tryin to make a torrent of some my Anime but I guess I cna't do 'ninja scroll'
[06:11] <kubuntu> yes in order to install 3d desktop you need libc of course and imlib2 and xfree86
[06:11] <kai> Admiral_Chicago: adcidrip wont' recognize the dvd
[06:11] <kubuntu> ive tried adept to do it in the past but cant get it to run
[06:11] <navets> i am trying to use svideo to connect my tv to my laptop on linux, can anyone help me
[06:12] <kubuntu> i only know how to do it on a desktop
[06:12] <hitmanWilly> kai: there's ways around that
[06:12] <hitmanWilly> !dvd | kai
[06:12] <ubotu> kai: For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[06:12] <navets> kubuntu: how?
[06:13] <kai> So you foun the way around, Im checking out the articles right now
[06:13] <kubuntu> k3b might be better than acid ri[p for that?
[06:13] <kubuntu> kai
[06:14] <kai> I think I had a problem using that, somethin about my MP3 but I think it was having the same prob as with acid rip
[06:14] <Maxdamantus> !grub
[06:14] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[06:16] <Coldwar55> Hmm
[06:17] <Coldwar55> Where would Karamba themes be located?
[06:17] <tarelerulz> Well, I installed Kubuntu 7.04 via adept and it can't seem to install firefox right and kongueror don't not use none-free flash player I installed.
[06:19] <kubuntu> i am tryin to install 3d desktop and need help if anyone can :)
[06:19] <tarelerulz> have any you run firefox from command line and have it do nothing ?
[06:19] <kubuntu> kde -look
[06:19] <kubuntu> for
[06:19] <kubuntu> karamba
[06:20] <kubuntu> ihave tarelerulz
[06:20] <tarelerulz> kubunut , What did you do ?
[06:20] <kubuntu> you can use run command thou
[06:21] <tarelerulz> kubuntu , What do you mean?
[06:21] <kubuntu> applications menu run command
[06:21] <adap> !raid
[06:21] <ubotu> Raid and LVM --> very easy guide for alternate CD : http://users.piuha.net/martti/comp/ubuntu/raid.html Tips and tricks for RAID and LVM can be found on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RaidConfigurationHowto and http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO
[06:21] <adap> what's LVM
[06:21] <kubuntu> it aint what you the same but close
[06:21] <LinkCanabico> !ipw2200
[06:21] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ipw2200 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:22] <tarelerulz> Well, I did the run menu option and no thing come up
[06:22] <adap> help............. if i'm doing hardware raid, is there any util to control it in linux? i'm using adaptec
[06:22] <kubuntu> it aint the same you want but close
[06:23] <tarelerulz> I can't run it from its menu entire nor can I run it form command line and I don't get any error messagers either
[06:24] <kubuntu> that sucks
[06:24] <adap> asdf
[06:24] <tarelerulz> The fact I don't get an error really vexes me .
[06:24] <underdog5004> adap, you have something to say?
[06:24] <kubuntu> ok i would try dpkg -r firefox
[06:25] <Coldwar55> How come when I exited Superkaramba, and went back in my themes weren't there and when I tried to readd them I can't
[06:25] <kubuntu> and then apt-get install firefox to see if it changes
[06:25] <underdog5004> adap, LVM is Large Volume Management. I don't know much about it...try asking ubotu.
[06:26] <kubuntu> it does that to me to
[06:26] <joro> hi
[06:27] <tarelerulz> That first command did not work . It said it could not remove it because of "2re1.4-mozilla-plugin depends on firefox".
[06:28] <kubuntu> alright
[06:28] <kubuntu> ummmm?
[06:29] <kubuntu> yoiu cant get it to open period or just thru the command line because i took it as normal
[06:29] <kubuntu> when it happen to me
[06:29] <tarelerulz> kbuuntu, I am really lost . In fact  some program just stop working out of the blue. ark stopped working one day that was fun.
[06:30] <tarelerulz> I can't run fire fox.  command line nor can I run it with run menu program and its menu entire.
[06:30] <kubuntu> well you can get around ark
[06:30] <kubuntu> not working
[06:31] <tarelerulz> I know I did that
[06:31] <kubuntu> tar xvf "name of package" this does the same
[06:31] <kubuntu> as ark
[06:31] <tarelerulz> I would just get Konqeror to work better ,but it does not use the non-free flash player I installed for it use adept
[06:33] <adap> help............. if i'm doing hardware raid, is there any util to control it in linux? i'm using adaptec
[06:34] <kubuntu> i am tryin to install 3d desktop and need help to get it to run
[06:34] <tarelerulz> It seem like couple of program have never worked right on  my install of Kubuntu on my  Dell iinspiron 5100 .
[07:00] <hakaisou> !virus
[07:00] <ubotu> A/V software is available, however read this to understand why Linux does not have a virus problem: http://librenix.com/?inode=21
[07:03] <yurimxpxman> how can I access the menu bar in GNU Emacs?
[07:06] <hakaisou> !firewall
[07:06] <ubotu> Ubuntu, like any other linux distribution, has firewall capabilities built-in. The firewall is managed using the 'iptables' command (see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IptablesHowTo), or GUI applications such as Firestarter (Gnome) or Guarddog (KDE).
[07:11] <hakaisou> !guarddog
[07:11] <ubotu> Ubuntu, like any other linux distribution, has firewall capabilities built-in. The firewall is managed using the 'iptables' command (see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IptablesHowTo), or GUI applications such as Firestarter (Gnome) or Guarddog (KDE).
[07:13] <hakaisou> !synaptics
[07:13] <ubotu> For a comprehensive Synaptics Touchpad guide, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SynapticsTouchpad
[07:14] <hakaisou> !synaptic
[07:14] <ubotu> synaptic is Ubuntu's Graphical Package Manager. For a good howto see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SynapticHowto
[07:15] <Admiral_Chicago> !botabuse
[07:15] <ubotu> Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots (see also !Bot). Abusing the channel bots will only result in angry ops...
[07:17] <matt__> hi - does anyone know of a good guide on how to move the /home setting to something like /media/sda4/home ?
[07:29] <pingveno> I'm having some trouble getting aiff audio files to play on Amarok
[07:29] <pingveno> It just says that the media type isn't supported
[07:31] <bluescreen> hi
[07:31] <firecrotch> hi bluescreen
[07:34] <|bluescreen|> im looking for help with xgl and beryl
[07:34] <LinkCanabico> bluescreen hi
[07:34] <crdlb> |bluescreen|: #ubuntu-effects
[07:35] <rizoma> hi
[07:35] <rizoma> what is autogen.sh?
[07:37] <mantan> crimson: ru there?
[07:38] <ebaad> I have installed xawtv, but tv is not working
[07:38] <ebaad> can somebody help please
[07:40] <LinkCanabico> ebaad what is the problem? try using modprobe to configure the card and tuner
[07:40] <ebaad> how can I use modprobe
[07:40] <ebaad> is it a command that i can run from cli
[07:41] <hitmanWilly> !modprobe
[07:41] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about modprobe - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:41] <hitmanWilly> wow...
[07:41] <ebaad> oh ok
[07:41] <ebaad> but thanks for lead
[07:41] <aro> Yea that's odd that the bot has no modprobe information
[07:42] <Jucato> the bot is not a man page bot :)
[07:42] <hitmanWilly> ebaad: its a way to manually load kernel modules
[07:42] <hitmanWilly> meh..
[07:42] <aro> Jucato, I hardly expected a full man page, but at least a little tidbit (as it supplies for tons of other stuff) would suffice
[07:43] <Jucato> aro: with the hundreds of possible commands or info, we couldn't possibly put them all in :)
[07:43] <Jucato> besides, man:/modprobe is much better to look at :D
[07:43] <LinkCanabico> ebaad im no expert but in my case i modified /etc/modprobe.conf ading this 2 lines  "alias char-major-81-0 bttv"
[07:43] <LinkCanabico> "options bttv card=78 tuner=2 " try this and change the numbers
[07:43] <ebaad> i ran modprobe but it is asking for parameters
[07:44] <ebaad> and modulename
[07:44] <hitmanWilly> ebaad: try modprobe bttv
[07:44] <Jucato> modprobe <modulename>
[07:44] <Jucato> you have to tell it what module you want to add ;)
[07:46] <LinkCanabico> "modprobe bttv card=XX  tuner=XX" to select your card were XX is a number to finde out the number google for "v4l card list"
[07:46] <ebaad> this xawtv used to run in the previous version
[07:46] <ebaad> but so far has not worked in 7.0
[07:47] <LinkCanabico>  ebaad did you update v4l?
[07:47] <LinkCanabico> !v4l
[07:47] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about v4l - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:47] <ebaad> no not sure how to
[07:48] <pingveno> I'm having trouble getting aiff files working with amarok/xine
[07:48] <pingveno> It says something about there being no demux plugin
[07:49] <hitmanWilly> ive been fighting with mine all night...
[07:49] <pingveno> "no suitable demux plugin"
[07:50] <hitmanWilly> pingveno: is this for streaming audio?
[07:50] <LinkCanabico> ebaad can you try tvtime
[07:51] <pingveno> No, just local audio
[07:51] <ebaad> ok i will try the tvtime and see what happens
[07:51] <hitmanWilly> hmm, usually i get that error when it errors out connecting to a radio station
[07:52] <LinkCanabico> ebaad and start it from a terminal this sometimes helps to find the problem
[07:52] <aman> hi everyone
[07:52] <aman> plz help me
[07:52] <LinkCanabico> ebaad il be back in 15 min sorry boss calls
[07:54] <pag> !ask | aman
[07:54] <ubotu> aman: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[07:55] <mantan> crimsun: ru there?
[07:56] <aman> can anybody plz help me out
[07:56] <aman> can u plz tell me how to install SmartLink 56K modem on ubuntu linux for dial-up connection
[07:57] <oem> Guten Morgen!
[07:58] <Admiral_Chicago> !dialup
[07:58] <ubotu> You want to connect via dial-up? Read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DialupModemHowto
[07:58] <mantan> I used sudo install -m644 snd-hda-codec.ko /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/kernel/sound/pci/hda/ and sudo depmod -e...... to fix a sound problem (I have no sound) and do not know what to do after this
[07:58] <aman> ok
[07:59] <oleg> hi
[08:01] <dsmith_> how many ppl intend to support Dell and purchase a Ubuntu machine?
[08:03] <mantan> I used sudo install -m644 snd-hda-codec.ko /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/kernel/sound/pci/hda/ and sudo depmod -e...... to fix a sound problem (I have no sound) and do not know what to do after this
[08:04] <Maxdamantus> How do I install GRUB while using a LiveCD, with no access to floppy disks that aren't corrupted?
[08:04] <Maxdamantus> Well, I can install it, but it doesn't know where to look for /boot.
[08:05] <Jucato> !grub
[08:05] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[08:05] <Maxdamantus> You showed me that.
[08:06] <Maxdamantus> That's for installing from the system you're currently running on, or to a floppy.
[08:06] <pag> Maxdamantus, you should chroot to your current system, and install it from there
[08:06] <Maxdamantus> And can't boot into the correct system with no bootloader, and havn't got any non-corrupted floppies.
[08:07] <Maxdamantus> Hmm.. I'll try.
[08:09] <dodijs> hi, anybody from slovak or czech rep?
[08:09] <Jucato> !cz
[08:09] <ubotu> esk uivatele dme, aby mluvili v kanle #ubuntu anglicky. esky je mono se domluvit v #ubuntu-cz. Dkujeme.
[08:11] <Maxdamantus> Hmm.. So how exactly do I install it while chrooted, which has no drives in /dev?
[08:16] <Maxdamantus> Ah. Think I got it.
[08:16] <Maxdamantus> Google :)
[08:19] <levon> anyone know of anything faster then k9copy
[08:30] <wolferine> need a hand with a new mysql install
[08:30] <wolferine> i updated it in Synaptic, but I am getting a weird (old) error in it
[08:30] <wolferine> http://osvdb.org/displayvuln.php?osvdb_id=7314
[08:31] <wolferine> its referenced in that URL
[08:32] <gsuveg> re
[08:33] <gsuveg> dual head config dont works with feisty right? anybody use dual head with different resolution?
[08:51] <druntar> !flash
[08:51] <ubotu> To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash - Flash 9 is now available in dapper-backports and edgy-backports - See also !Restricted and !Gnash
[08:51] <LinkCanabico> !hasenfroch
[08:51] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about hasenfroch - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:55] <druntar> !effects
[08:55] <ubotu> For help with Beryl or Compiz desktop effects, please go to #ubuntu-effects.
[08:55] <druntar> !graphics
[08:55] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about graphics - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:55] <tcscn72_> !iscsi
[08:55] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about iscsi - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:03] <druntar> !paste
[09:03] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[09:04] <LinkCanabico> !copy
[09:04] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about copy - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:07] <pweaver> When I try to "safely remove" a usbdrive I get this error message
[09:07] <LinkCanabico> i would like to know wat is beter gaim or kopete
[09:07] <pweaver> http://rafb.net/p/evXaVb60.html
[09:07] <pweaver> oops
[09:08] <pweaver> ok, here's the error message i get when i click on "safely remove" : http://rafb.net/p/7e5Uxp88.html
[09:08] <pag> !best | LinkCanabico
[09:08] <ubotu> LinkCanabico: Usually, there is no single "best" application to perform a given task. It's up to you to choose among a number of different applications, depending on your preferences, the features you require, and other factors.
[09:08] <pweaver> LinkCanabico: that said, don't run gnome
[09:08] <pweaver> i mean, choices are great!
[09:09] <LinkCanabico> pweaver ok thanks
[09:09] <kalorin`> ok so here's a question
[09:10] <kalorin`> if I kick this thing off and tell it to upgrade to 7.04 from 6.10 via apt-get or adept
[09:10] <kalorin`> and I have the ati closed drivers installed
[09:10] <kalorin`> am I going to hate life when I wake up in the morning?
[09:10] <adap> why can'[t firefox access gmail , only konqueror can
[09:10] <kalorin`> cause it'll have no video?
[09:10] <pweaver> adap: describe "can't access"
[09:10] <adap> why my kopete keep saying error connecting, but i'm conencted and it just keep promping
[09:11] <adap> cannota ccess normail mode.. can only access basic mode.. normal mode it is stuck at loading page and then tellms me to load in basic mode
[09:11] <adap> wasn't like that in the past
[09:11] <kalorin`> ah I'll wait a week and and then I guess I'll upgrade
[09:11] <kalorin`> when I don't have school next week :)
[09:11] <kalorin`> just in case
[09:12] <pweaver> heh
[09:12] <LinkCanabico> kalorin qood choise i hope you can wait a week. usualy i can weit just a few days
[09:12] <pweaver> adap: i don't really know what you mean, sorry
[09:12] <adap> can't access gmail normal mode
[09:12] <kalorin`> link: I've waited this long
[09:13] <adap> Loading...
[09:13] <adap> This seems to be taking longer than usual.
[09:13] <adap> If you are using a slow Internet connection, you can wait a bit longer for this page to finish loading, or just use basic HTML view for now.
[09:13] <kalorin`> knowing I didn't want to take a chance and blow it up
[09:13] <pweaver> adap: interesting... running any firefox extensions?  what version of firefox?  try backing up your .mozilla directory and starting firefox with an empty .mozilla directory?
[09:13] <intelikey> monkey C monkey doo
[09:13] <premier_> hello, I'm considering a new computer and I wanted to ask a few things about hard drives.  I'm planning to use twin 10000rpm 37GB hard drives in raid 1 (mirroring) for my OSes plus a 500GB for datas
[09:14] <pweaver> premier_ ok
[09:14] <premier_> can grub boot a OS (like windows) if it is not on my *primary* hard drive?
[09:14] <adap> version 2.0.0.2..no other funny stuffs
[09:14] <pheaver> adap: strange
[09:14] <adap> wasn't like that
[09:14] <adap> is it because java>?
[09:14] <pheaver> premier_: I believe so
[09:15] <LinkCanabico> premier grub can but i dont know if windows can boot
[09:15] <intelikey> grub can boot what bios can.  nothing more
[09:15] <pheaver> premier_: windows will boot fine, as long as your hard drives are arranged the same when you install windows as they are when you install grub
[09:15] <premier_> do you guys know how the speed of raid 1 compares to raid 0, raid 5, and esp. no raid?
[09:16] <pheaver> premier_: reads are faster, writes are same speed, i think
[09:16] <premier_> someone told me raid 1 was slowest, but I don't think thats true
[09:16] <pheaver> premier_: well, it doesn't make sense to compare raid 1 and raid 0 performance, cause they're entirely different... you shouldn't choose one based on performance
[09:16] <pheaver> premier_: I would compare raid 1 to raid 5
[09:17] <pheaver> premier_: but you're going to need 3 hard drives for raid 5
[09:17] <pheaver> premier_: raid 5 is more efficient in terms of amount of storage (you get 2/3 instead of 1/2)
[09:17] <premier_> pheaver: I understand that... I want my compy to be as fast as possible, but I also don't like the idea of a hard drive crash
[09:17] <pheaver> premier_: then i guess raid 1 is for you
[09:17] <pheaver> premier_: i use raid 5 and am very happy
[09:18] <premier_> pheaver: I don't think I can afford that
[09:18] <pheaver> premier_: well then why are you considering raid?
[09:18] <premier_> pheaver: two is fine, but three is a little much
[09:18] <pheaver> premier_: you said you were getting two identical drives anyway, right?
[09:19] <pheaver> premier_: oh, i thought you said raid 1 would be too expensive heh... nevermind
[09:19] <kalorin`> anyone know what apt-index-watch is?
[09:19] <kalorin`> I keep seeing it pop  up in the process list using a non-trivial amount of resources
[09:19] <premier_> kalorin`: a program that causes computer to slow down
[09:19] <kalorin`> I can think of what I would image it to do
[09:19] <intelikey> !info apt-index-watch
[09:19] <premier_> it was taken out with fiesty
[09:19] <ubotu> Package apt-index-watch does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[09:19] <kalorin`> premier_: good
[09:19] <premier_> lol
[09:20] <kalorin`> so I could remove it?
[09:20] <kalorin`> under 6.10
[09:20] <premier_> kalorin`: there is a patch to fix it. look it up on google.  I had the same problem
[09:20] <kalorin`> k
[09:20] <intelikey> !info apt-index-watch edgy
[09:20] <ubotu> Package apt-index-watch does not exist in edgy
[09:21] <intelikey> !info apt-index-watch dapper
[09:21] <ubotu> Package apt-index-watch does not exist in dapper
[09:21] <intelikey> where did you get apt-index-watch
[09:21] <premier_> pheaver: with about 37GB, I should be able to hold 2-3 distros with generous swap and plenty of program space, no problems, right?
[09:23] <premier_> intelikey: I don't know what ubotu is on about.  I'm sure it was in edgy.  I mean, do they ever take stuff like that out long after the distro was released?
[09:23] <pheaver> premier_: mmm... i guess
[09:23] <intelikey> as far as i know they never remove packages from a repo
[09:24] <pheaver> premier_: yeah that sounds about right
[09:24] <premier_> pheaver: now, I can have two distros coexsit, and read the same /home partitions?
[09:25] <pheaver> premier_: well, yes and no
[09:25] <LinkCanabico> premier yes but no
[09:25] <pheaver> premier_: i find that sometimes certain applications don't behave well when their settings are shared between distros
[09:25] <intelikey> as long as you have the same $UID on both
[09:25] <premier_> hmmmm...
[09:25] <pheaver> premier_: KDE seems to freak out when i switch distros and I have to remove the .kde directory
[09:26] <pheaver> premier_: but others may have different experience
[09:26] <premier_> what if the partitions weren't /home/ partitions per se but were primary document folders
[09:26] <intelikey> pheaver same $UID ?
[09:26] <pheaver> intellikey: well of course
[09:26] <premier_> the two distros are ubuntu and debian... they're pretty similar anyway, right?
[09:26] <pheaver> intelikey: no permission problems, just settings that work on one distro but not another
[09:27] <intelikey> hmmm
[09:27] <pheaver> intelikey: for example, application A might be watched for gentoo differently than for ubuntu
[09:27] <pheaver> *patched
[09:27] <intelikey> version mismatch
[09:27] <pheaver> intelikey: right
[09:27] <pheaver> intelikey: kcontrol is different in ubuntu than gentoo, i think
[09:28] <intelikey> simple answer run kde one version gnome another *box another....
[09:28] <pheaver> haha, yeah but who would want to do that?
[09:28] <premier_> intelikey: I wanna use my kde!
[09:28] <pheaver> you can always find a way around it, like by having your kde settings in different directories
[09:28] <dadchicken> Any mailing list folks about?
[09:28] <LinkCanabico> I would
[09:29] <intelikey> why you want more than one distro if you are just gonna make tweenkies out of them ?
[09:29] <premier_> tweenkies?
[09:30] <LinkCanabico> intelikey becus managing it is great experience
[09:30] <LinkCanabico> because
[09:30] <intelikey> LinkCanabico fair enough.
[09:30] <premier_> what does intelikey mean when he says tweenkies?
[09:31] <kalorin`> ah sweet sweet saved cycles
[09:31] <intelikey> same = same
[09:31] <kalorin`> no more apt-index-watcher
[09:31] <kalorin`> that thing was seriously messing with my machine for some damn reason
[09:31] <kalorin`> kept hearing some fan in there spinning up and down over and over
[09:31] <kalorin`> hopefully this'll keep ti quiet
[09:31] <LinkCanabico> !apt-index-watcher
[09:31] <kalorin`> ok nighty all
[09:31] <kalorin`> frigging 3:30am
[09:31] <kalorin`> this is killin' me
[09:32] <premier_> btw, should save sessions in kde take forever to load?  like for-e-ver?
[09:32] <pweaver> hmm... i got disconnected
[09:32] <LinkCanabico> 2:30 here good night i stil have ! hour
[09:32] <kalorin`> never bothered with any
[09:32] <pweaver> no
[09:32] <LinkCanabico> premier i think not
[09:33] <premier_> mine seem to load about as slowly as a windows computer (nearly a minute maybe) so I ended turning them off... is there a way to determine if there is something wrong?
[09:33] <intelikey> yeah takes about 12 or 14 seconds on this old slow p1
[09:34] <intelikey> premier_ log files ?
[09:34] <premier_> intelikey: which ones, specifically?
[09:34] <intelikey> xorg's ?
[09:35] <premier_> where is that?
[09:35] <intelikey> kdm possably...
[09:35] <intelikey> /var/log/*
[09:35] <intelikey> premier_ may be one in your home dir too
[09:36] <aftertaf> premier_: no error message about .ICEAuthority file?   - sometimes deleting this file in your home can help things work.
[09:36] <eXistenz> Hello, is it recommended to upgrade to feisty?
[09:36] <intelikey> yes
[09:36] <LinkCanabico> si
[09:36] <intelikey> but that dom't mean you wont have any trubble
[09:37] <eXistenz> intelikey: to upgrade using that wizard
[09:37] <intelikey> do i recommend it?   no.
[09:37] <intelikey> is it reccomended?  yes.
[09:37] <LinkCanabico> intelikey stop typing faster then I LOL
[09:38] <kalorin`> intelikey: what have you seen as issues with it?
[09:38] <intelikey> but i don't know how fast you LOL LinkCanabico
[09:38] <kalorin`> LOLOLOLOLOL!
[09:38] <kalorin`> :)
[09:38] <premier_> learn dvorak, you can lol faster
[09:38] <premier_> lolololololololololol
[09:38] <kalorin`> http://home.bradmc.com/misc/dog_joke.gif
[09:39] <kalorin`> not as good as this little gem that popped up today
[09:39] <aftertaf> lol
[09:39] <kalorin`> http://fukung.net/images/2855/vim.gif
[09:39] <kalorin`> <3 VIM
[09:39] <intelikey> kalorin` the normal new release things.   vidio  sound  networking   and the omenous "failed upgrade that broke my system."   that someone always comes up with.
[09:39] <kalorin`> heh
[09:40] <kalorin`> my buddy at work is running 7.04 after an apt-get upgrade
[09:40] <kalorin`> seems to be working pretty well for him
[09:40] <kalorin`> my issue is that I just know it'll blow up my video that took forever to get set up anyway with the ATI drivers
[09:40] <intelikey> yeah.  does for a majority i suppose.   but we always see the minority in here.
[09:40] <kalorin`> due tot he kernel module
[09:41] <kalorin`> I should unload it first and then do the upgrade and then pop it back in place I would imagine
[09:41] <premier_> I got feisty, the only difference i notice is the flashy new folder animations
[09:41] <kalorin`> well rebuild and pop it into place
[09:41] <kalorin`> yeah
[09:41] <kalorin`> ok really, gotta sleep no
[09:41] <kalorin`> now
[09:41] <intelikey> "ok really, gotta sleep no"   :)
[09:42] <LinkCanabico> good night
[09:42] <kalorin`> going on 4am, you're lucky you get the n and o
[09:42] <kalorin`> :)
[09:42] <kalorin`> in that order even
[09:42] <Admiral_Chicago> !offtopic
[09:42] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[09:43] <alex_>  ?
[09:43] <premier_> russian?
[09:43] <kraut> moin
[09:43] <alex_> 
[09:43] <intelikey> ukrain ?
[09:44] <alex_>     ;)
[09:44] <LinkCanabico> nya nyez niayu kawaritz paruski
[09:44] <premier_> LinkCanabico: what langauge is that?
[09:44] <Admiral_Chicago> !ru
[09:44] <ubotu>    #ubuntu-ru       /  Pozhalujsta vojdite v #ubuntu-ru dlq pomoshchi na russkom qzyke
[09:45] <premier_> !en
[09:45] <ubotu> The #ubuntu, #kubuntu and #xubuntu channels are english only. For a complete list of channels in other languages, please visit http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat
[09:45] <premier_> !jp
[09:45] <ubotu>  #ubuntu-jp  #kubuntu-jp 
[09:45] <aftertaf> however, happy to see unicode is functioning correctly :)
[09:45] <LinkCanabico> premier_ russian but i dont know the right speling "i dont speak russian
[09:45] <premier_> 
[09:46] <premier_> damn it, spelled it wrong
[09:46] <LinkCanabico> ok everybody WTF
[09:46] <premier_> sorry
[09:46] <gans20|malchik> hello there
[09:46] <gans20|malchik> vsem privet :)
[09:46] <LinkCanabico> gans20 ???
[09:47] <gans20|malchik> Link ?
[09:47] <premier_> 
[09:47] <gans20|malchik> premier_, looks exciting :)
[09:47] <LinkCanabico> do we swich to oftopic so we dont piss someone off
[09:48] <premier_> sorry...
[09:48] <gans20|malchik> can't find midnight commander in kubuntu 7.04 ... is it there?
[09:49] <intelikey> !info mc
[09:49] <ubotu> mc: midnight commander - a powerful file manager. In component universe, is optional. Version 1:4.6.1-7ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 2057 kB, installed size 5944 kB
[09:49] <insmod> gans20|malchik: ya just install it
[09:49] <insmod> gans20|malchik: apt-get install mc
[09:50] <gans20|malchik> insmod, thanks ... I thought I tried that :)
[09:50] <insmod> gans20|malchik: run  apt-get update first
[09:50] <gans20|malchik> insmod, I did its okay now
[09:54] <intelikey> apt-get install gentoo
[09:59] <flaccid> anybody use any programs to rip streaming real video or wmv ?
[10:00] <intelikey> never played with a streem.....
[10:01] <flaccid> there is programs to rip/capture the streams on linux but i don' tknow what they are called
[10:01] <gsuveg> re
[10:01] <gsuveg> anybody use dualhead ?
[10:01] <gsuveg> xorg dont detect my 2nd monitor
[10:01] <intelikey> me either flaccid .     kstreamripper - kde frontend for streamripper
[10:01] <intelikey> streamripper - download online streams into mp3 files
[10:02] <intelikey> not what you want i guess
[10:02] <intelikey> !dualhead
[10:02] <ubotu> Information about dual-head on linux can be found on http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/DualHead - See also !Xinerama
[10:02] <intelikey> gsuveg ^
[10:02] <gsuveg> intelikey: thank you
[10:02] <intelikey> np
[10:03] <flaccid> i'll check it out thanks
[10:03] <intelikey> flaccid i don't thank thats what you want.  but idk.
[10:04] <flaccid> i guess it just need to do video
[10:04] <intelikey> vstream - bttv video capture utility aimed at making MPEGs
[10:04] <gsuveg> intelikey: but anyway, i dont understud that...
[10:04] <intelikey> i'm just thumbing throught the packages...
[10:04] <flaccid> true
[10:04] <intelikey> gsuveg hmmm
[10:04] <gsuveg> intelikey: it is an i915
[10:05] <gsuveg> why dont see it the 2nd screeen?
[10:05] <gsuveg> intelikey: xorg > pastebin help you ?
[10:09] <intelikey> gsuveg on that page,  did you even visit the   "using multiple monitors" link ?
[10:09] <gsuveg> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/20308/
[10:09] <gsuveg> yes
[10:10] <intelikey> so did you want type 1 2 or 3 multi-head configuration ?
[10:10] <gsuveg> i dont know...
[10:10] <gsuveg> using external tft with my laptop
[10:11] <intelikey> Xinerama
[10:12] <gsuveg> type 3
[10:12] <gsuveg> one big screen
[10:13] <LinkCanabico> hi anyone knows good QT forum tutorial?
[10:14] <gsuveg> intelikey: you look something wrong in my config ?
[10:17] <intelikey> gsuveg monitor identifiers   maybe
[10:17] <intelikey> referance         Option "MonitorLayout" "CRT, LFP"
[10:19] <gsuveg> intelikey: thats in Devive in right line ?
[10:22] <gsuveg> intelikey: or maybe the monitor part ?
[10:22] <intelikey> gsuveg monitor part.
[10:22] <gsuveg> Section "Monitor"
[10:22] <gsuveg>   Identifier  "internal"
[10:22] <gsuveg>   Option    "DPMS"
[10:22] <gsuveg> EndSection
[10:22] <gsuveg> this
[10:22] <intelikey> the line doesn't match the identifiesr
[10:23] <llutz> hi
[10:23] <gsuveg> intelikey: im write internal nit the 'ltalnos..'
[10:24] <intelikey> gsuveg teach me.    should it not be more like  identifier 'CRT'      and  identifier 'LFP'     to match the line   Option "MonitorLayout" "CRT, LFP"   ????     man i still bash coding and haven't noticed the differance ?
[10:25] <gsuveg>   Option "MonitorLayout" "CRT, LFP"
[10:25] <gsuveg> on all 2 device
[10:26] <gsuveg> hmmm. test.
[10:29] <adap> are there bugs in kopete? funny.. my name lists keep moving left right left right and keeps showing Error connecting to MSN server but i'm online and can chat
[10:30] <adap> weird!
[10:31] <adap> nowadays when it load up, it keep asking me to add an account when i already have one
[10:40] <gsuveg> intelikey: doesnt works...
[10:40] <fb33> can someone help me with beryl-manager after Iaunch it I get a black screen with non blinking cursor
[10:41] <intelikey> gsuveg no.  that's not what i meant.      the monitor identifiers are not "CRT and LFP"    but that's what the option line is calling for.    thus change the identifiers or the option line in the vidio card blocks.    unless i'm all wet and xorg knows what CRT  and LFP  are without you telling it   then that's probably where the trubble is.    i'm not an xorg x-eologist x-pert
[10:41] <intelikey> gsuveg   http://pastebin.us/34313   example
[10:42] <intelikey> so don't x-pect to much out of me.
[10:44] <intelikey> the last two times this computer booted it hasn't seen a gui...       one might conclude that the gui is not my forte'
[10:45] <intelikey> armin you comming or going ?
[10:45] <gsuveg> intelikey: thanks, now i need work, im test it later.
[10:46] <intelikey> gsuveg good luck with it.
[10:46] <gsuveg> intelikey: thank you.
[10:46] <armin> having some problems with my connection...
[10:50] <intelikey> gsuveg "if that fixes it"   what you had done was the same as naming your dog 'joe'   then calling 'bob' to come to you...     "here bob, come here bob.     why doesn't joe come?"  :)
[10:52] <intelikey> maybe not a good example; in reality most dogs could not care less what you call them.  they simply come when they hear your voice....     maybe a better example would be dialing sam's phone number and wondering why jill doesn't answer...
[10:55] <intelikey> so when we see if that fixes your problem or not; we'll also know whether to call xorg joe or jill in the future
[10:57] <markc> anyone know of a newbie friendly piccie orientated review of kubuntu anywhere /
[10:57] <markc> ?
[10:58] <fagin> Hi. I have a shell/kde question. I need to find where konversation has its scripts. It's supposed to be in: $KDEDIR/share/apps/konversation/scripts, but I don't seem to have that variable in my environment.
[10:59] <fagin> How can I find out the path to the script dir?
[10:59] <llutz> fagin: $KDEDIR = /usr
[10:59] <fagin> It is? That simple? Cool, thanks
[11:00] <intelikey> fagin dpkg -L konversation | less      will show you everything that the package installed.
[11:00] <fagin> Thanks. That's good to know
[11:01] <markc> is there something like this available for kubuntu ? -> http://www.mepis.org/files/MEPIS User Guide.pdf
[11:01] <intelikey> !mepis
[11:01] <ubotu> Other !Linux distributions besides !Ubuntu include: Debian, Mepis (using !APT); RedHat, Fedora, SUSE, Mandriva (using !RPM); Gentoo, Slackware (using other packaging systems)
[11:02] <intelikey> !user guide
[11:02] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about user guide - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:02] <intelikey> !guide
[11:02] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about guide - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:02] <intelikey> nm.
[11:02] <markc> thought so, not much available
[11:02] <intelikey> !ubuntu guide
[11:03] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ubuntu guide - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:03] <intelikey> !ubuntuguide
[11:03] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ubuntuguide - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:03] <markc> that's why I am asking here, in case anyone has come across anything for windows weenies
[11:03] <intelikey> well there is an infonode  i just can't find it.
[11:03] <markc> that mepis pdf might have to do, at least it's kind of close
[11:04] <markc> wish I had the time do do up something myself
[11:04] <phisrow> http://www.kubuntu.org/docs/kquickguide/C/index.html is one guide, it is slightly out of date; but things shouldn't have changed too much at the user level.
[11:04] <intelikey> .pdf    yuch
[11:04] <markc> pdf is easy for ex-windows users and complete novices to read
[11:05] <intelikey> pdf is a file format.   has nothing to do with "ease of reading"
[11:05] <markc> that kquickguide is not too bad, still a bit too long though
[11:06] <markc> a pdf can EASILY sit on a desktop and opened with a single click
[11:06] <intelikey> so can a .txt
[11:07] <llutz> or .html
[11:07] <intelikey> so can a .ps
[11:07] <markc> with piccies ?
[11:07] <markc> uhm, at least most ppl I know have heard of and used a pdf before
[11:07] <phisrow> No pictures in that one, I think.
[11:08] <druntar> ok how can i set up beryl and kiba dock to load at startup?
[11:08] <markc> yep, there are some piccies in that kquickguide
[11:08] <phisrow> Ah, ok.
[11:08] <intelikey> piccies are for people that can't read ?
[11:09] <markc> phisrow: thanks for that kquickquide link, it is better than the mepis pdf
[11:09] <markc> intelikey: and windows users
[11:09] <phisrow> No problem, markc, hope it helps.
[11:09] <intelikey> ok that was ot.      Admiral_Chicago do your job and kick me out of here.
[11:10] <intelikey> or just op me and i'll do it.  :)
[11:10] <CarinArr> what's wrong with pdf?
[11:10] <markc> phisrow: it will... one user is 74yo and managed to install ubuntu before he contacted me... a desperate win98 user who can't afford to "upgrade" to winxp, and his isp will no longer support win98, or linux for that matter... so he found me via google
[11:10] <llutz> CarinArr: odf isn't free
[11:10] <s330d3r> diasuko_ido:   you here?
[11:10] <llutz> pdf sry
[11:11] <CarinArr> llutz: uhm.. what the format?
[11:11] <phisrow> Markc, your user impresses me. That is a lot of pluck for somebody of that age dealing with a computer.
[11:12] <llutz> CarinArr: pdf is a proprietary file-format owned by adobe.
[11:12] <pvandewyngaerde> i downloaded a lot of music that is licensed under a creative commons, but its all mp3, how can i convert them to ogg ?
[11:12] <intelikey> !free
[11:12] <ubotu> freedom is important. Ubuntu is as free as we can make it, which means mostly free software. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html and http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/licensing
[11:12] <markc> phisrow: absolutely, and I would like to point him to the easiest docs I can fins, until I can make some screencasts and send them to him, and others, on dvd
[11:13] <CarinArr> i have to admit i still don't quite get that.. i can get free vs non-free software
[11:13] <CarinArr> but there are free applications to produce pdf files, and free applications to read it
[11:13] <llutz> CarinArr: and most of us prefer free formats. they exist and you should use/spread them.
[11:13] <intelikey> CarinArr free as in free beer.  but not free as in free speach
[11:13] <CarinArr> llutz: i'm not arguing.. i'm interested, how is it not a free format if you can produce/read them for free?
[11:14] <phisrow> It sounds like you are doing excellent work with him, markc, I wish you(and him) the best. People like him are the sort that can benefit greatly from Free software, if they can get the information they need.
[11:15] <intelikey> CarinArr read any  M$ EULA   and read the GNU-GPL
[11:15] <CarinArr> .ps isn't really an option for me normally as people look at me blankly when i send them a .ps file
[11:15] <intelikey> html
[11:15] <CarinArr> er
[11:15] <CarinArr> html really doesn't do the job
[11:15] <Psychoss> hi
[11:16] <markc> phisrow: yes. I think the upcoming DELL sales will also bring in folks that would not otherwise bother to install linux themselves... they should be shown, gently, what free software is all about
[11:16] <Psychoss> just one easy question :p
[11:16] <intelikey> yeah i know web pages that don't have pdf's or flash just arent worth looking at are they  :)
[11:16] <phisrow> I agree, I'm looking forward to the start of the Dell sales.
[11:16] <llutz> CarinArr: afaik only a small part of pdf-specs is available and used by "free" software.
[11:16] <CarinArr> intelikey: that's not what i'm saying.. html doesn't really allow typesetting.. html is for webpages, pdf is for documents
[11:17] <druntar> can someone tell me how to get my cdrom drive off my desktop?
[11:17] <Psychoss> what's the debugging symbols for kdenetwork?
[11:17] <phisrow> CarinArr and llutz: While PDF is Adobe's spec, it is an open standard and licenced under decent conditions. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pdf
[11:17] <intelikey> "html is for webpages, pdf is for documents"   classic...
[11:17] <CarinArr> intelikey: you're trying to compare two things meant for completely different purposes
[11:18] <phisrow> I'm not much impressed by some of the newer and flashier bits; but core functions are stable, open and quite standardized.
[11:18] <intelikey> druntar right click the desktop configure (or proprities)   and    show divice icons ...
[11:18] <markc> and pdf remains the best cross-platform way to print docs, to/from any platform
[11:19] <CarinArr> i don't use adobe for anything, i use the tetex utils to convert ps to pdf, and view them using free software, so to me that has to be enough
[11:19] <Psychoss> i ask again my question more preciously what does it mean the word symbols for the debugging kdenetwork is it the command line?
[11:19] <intelikey> hey use what you like.     i just said    pdf  yuch.    and that's still how i feel about it.
[11:20] <Psychoss> someone?:p
[11:20] <intelikey> symbols ?
[11:20] <CarinArr> if you compare html to pdf you probably wouldn't see the benefits
[11:20] <Psychoss> yes
[11:20] <phisrow> Psychoss, the debugging symbols are not included in the standard package, they are for development purposes.
[11:20] <Psychoss> symbols?
[11:20] <s330d3r> I am new to kubuntu, I have 7.04 installed on a laptop with an Intel 855 video chipset... the resolution is stuck at a max of 1024x768 when it should be 1290x768....  help
[11:20] <phisrow> You can install them in a sepate package, let me check and see which one.
[11:20] <Psychoss> ok for developpers i 'll be use later so :)thx
[11:21] <llutz> s330d3r: "sudo aptitude install 915resolution"
[11:21] <naught101> what's a good EXIF data viewer for kubuntu?
[11:21] <markc> s330d3r: apt-get install 815resolution (or maybe it's on board /etc/init.d/815resolution start)
[11:21] <Psychoss> nice os kubuntu
[11:21] <markc> ah, 915 resolution then
[11:22] <llutz> markc: it was 855resolution before ;)
[11:22] <phisrow> Psychoss: if you do want the debugging symbols, the package kdenetwork-dbg has them, just install that if you ever need/want the symbols.
[11:23] <Psychoss> but the symbols means the graphical picture?
[11:23] <markc> llutz: right, 815 modulo 855 now = 915
[11:24] <intelikey> Psychoss no.
[11:24] <Psychoss> erf
[11:24] <phisrow> Psychoss: No, they are for debugging crashes of the application.
[11:24] <Psychoss> ok
[11:24] <s330d3r> llutz: do I have to restart x now?
[11:24] <phisrow> Unless you need to file a bug report, or diagnose a crash, you probably won't need them.
[11:25] <Psychoss> ok i was an error only in konsole but it was a bug of writing
[11:25] <s330d3r> markc: do I have to restart x no?
[11:25] <s330d3r> now
[11:25] <markc> s330d3r: yes
[11:26] <Psychoss> i let us work :)
[11:26] <intelikey> s330d3r for changes in xorg.conf to affect anything you will need to start X
[11:26] <intelikey> start  restart kickstart jumpstart.....
[11:26] <CalZing> I'm about to build a pc and I want to have a sound card that is good and works ootb in ubunt. Does anyone have recommendations?
[11:27] <markc> s330d3r: check /etc/default/915resolution, you might want to add XRES0 and YRES0
[11:27] <intelikey> anything that doesn't say "made for...(that other os)"
[11:28] <intelikey> or system requirements (that os)
[11:28] <CalZing> ok, but is there any sound card out there known for it's good linux support?
[11:28] <markc> s330d3r: did you get the right res ?
[11:29] <Psychoss> arf another advice i need a basic graphic card for kubuntu but i don't know what i need to buy have you an idea ?
[11:29] <intelikey> CalZing there was a supported hardware page on the wiki   i think.
[11:29] <markc> CalZing: low end it's hard to beat a sblive anything, except x-fi
[11:29] <crdlb> Psychoss: old ati cards are a good choice on feisty
[11:29] <intelikey> Psychoss intel is pretty well supported
[11:29] <phisrow> CalZing:I've heard good things about the Emu10K sound driver, it supports a variety of Creative labs sound cards.
[11:29] <phisrow> http://bugtrack.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Matrix:Vendor-Creative_Labs
[11:30] <markc> CalZing: higher end the m-audio cards are good to go
[11:30] <Psychoss> ok thx i'll saw it
[11:30] <phisrow> The X-Fi is said to be a brick under Linux at the moment, so don't bother with that one.
[11:30] <Psychoss> bye bye
[11:30] <intelikey> Psychoss ! ati      nvidia maybe  but   ati is one of the most trubblesum
[11:31] <Psychoss> ok i feel it
[11:31] <crdlb> ati is fine as long as it's old ati
[11:31] <markc> phisrow: creative are meant to be releasing their x-fi driver soon, maybe this month
[11:31] <intelikey> crdlb hard to buy a new  "old ati card"  though
[11:31] <phisrow> MarkC: That is good news. Hopefully that'll bring the X-Fi up to full peformance under Linux.
[11:32] <crdlb> intelikey: ebay
[11:32] <s330d3r> markc: can I resart x without logging out?
[11:32] <crdlb> there's lots of parts resellers too
[11:32] <markc> s330d3r: I don't think so .. did you get the right res?
[11:32] <intelikey> s330d3r not likely
[11:32] <Psychoss> you want know i need a recent card so in ati or nvidia
[11:32] <phisrow> ATI cards up to, and including the 9200(IIRC) are very well supported by the free ATI drivers.
[11:33] <phisrow> If you have to go with proprietary drivers, though, Nvidia is said to be better than ATI.
[11:33] <CalZing> ok, but i don't want things like 48 khz resampling, because i will produce some music with rosegarden/muse using this cards
[11:33] <intelikey> and intel has drivers
[11:33] <markc> CalZing: the cheapest sblive will do that, they are 48khtz native
[11:34] <Psychoss> fine
[11:34] <markc> my cheap intel Dell lappie has 24bit/96khtz sound
[11:34] <phisrow> CalZing: m-audio might be a better idea for music production, though they are likely to be more expensive.
[11:35] <intelikey> d-board if you can find one...
[11:35] <Psychoss> yes it's a good question using reason for exemple on kubuntu is it possible?
[11:36] <markc> also, I've got a tascam us-122 that works okay with linux, 24bit/48khtz, phantom power
[11:36] <markc> Psychoss: maybe under vmware perhaps
[11:36] <Psychoss> ah a virtual server i think
[11:37] <phisrow> If you want the full details on audio under linux, you might want to hunt up some users of one of the audio specialized distros.
[11:37] <markc> Psychoss: yes, if you have a gb+ of ram then it's a reasonable option
[11:37] <phisrow> Let me see if I can get you some links.
[11:37] <intelikey> vm virtual machine
[11:37] <s330d3r> markc: seems to be good now, thanks!
[11:37] <Psychoss> yes it's on my other workstation
[11:38] <markc> ubuntustudio is probably worth waiting for
[11:38] <markc> untuntustudio.org
[11:38] <Psychoss> gb more oh oh my keyboard is not the same
[11:39] <ubuntu> hi
[11:39] <markc> the feisty lowlat kernel is pretty good, only problem for me is that asound2-plugins is missing pcm_jack
[11:39] <Psychoss> thow did you tape >+<
[11:39] <Psychoss> MAJ!
[11:39] <Psychoss> ok it's good
[11:40] <Psychoss> +
[11:40] <Psychoss> :))
[11:40] <Psychoss> cya and thx for your help
[11:42] <markc> that ubuntu user was lucky to get onto freenode... the sayayon folks setup an irc nick of sabayon-$RANDOM with an icon on their liveCD desktop... great idea
[11:44] <intelikey> oo-boo-nauts  tux'n through cyber space
[11:46] <intelikey> vesta'd my first vesta today.    it's just as windowish as it's pred-xpessors
[11:46] <intelikey> why do people buy that crap ?
[12:03] <Maxdamantus> Has anyone managed to get vmplayer working with arts?
[12:19] <markc> ah, the wait for ubuntustudio.org is no more
[12:20] <intelikey> i can wait
[12:22] <chrismhampson> markc: just downloaded the ubuntustudio theme for feisty and it is very nice to look at!
[12:24] <dario> hi all
[12:24] <dario> i need help for a stupid thing
[12:25] <markc> intelikey: you obviously haven't been
[12:25] <chrismhampson> dario: go on
[12:25] <dario> can someone tell me how can i start a game that i have just downloaded from internet
[12:25] <dario> i downloaded the linux version
[12:25] <chrismhampson> dario: which game?
[12:25] <dario> fretsonfire
[12:26] <markc> chrismhampson: what't the actual package... as I might try to upscale my kbuntu rather than install studio from scratch
[12:26] <dario> i windows i use exe files
[12:26] <Maxdamantus> dario, it's a tar.gz, which probably means it's the source.
[12:26] <dario> but in linux i really don't know
[12:26] <Maxdamantus> Try (in the terminal) cd /path/to/file
[12:27] <dario> the what should i do
[12:27] <chrismhampson> markc: i searched on ubuntu forums and found instructions (add a repo etc) and then i had to go to gnome-look or something to install the icon set
[12:27] <Maxdamantus> Then "gzip -d Frets* && tar -xf Frets*"
[12:27] <Maxdamantus> Then, "cd Frets*"
[12:28] <Maxdamantus> Most packages have an INSTALL file, which is a text document.
[12:28] <chrismhampson> markc: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=439624&page=2
[12:28] <Maxdamantus> Telling you what exactly to do.
[12:29] <chrismhampson> markc: http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php/UbuntuStudio+Icons?content=58050
[12:29] <markc> chrismhampson: spot on, thanks
[12:30] <chrismhampson> markc: i don't know why but you need to customize an existing theme and change all the options to ubuntustudio
[12:30] <Maxdamantus> What is UbuntuStudio?... The site seems EXTREMELY slow.
[12:30] <dario> now what should i do max
[12:30] <Admiral_Chicago> Maxdamantus: its got very very heavy traffic
[12:30] <chrismhampson> Maxdamantus: feisty with audio/video apps
[12:30] <Maxdamantus> Yea, I guessed that.
[12:30] <Admiral_Chicago> Maxdamantus: ask in #ubuntustudio
[12:30] <Admiral_Chicago> Maxdamantus: http://www.imbrandon.com/misc/bandwidth/current.jpg
[12:30] <Maxdamantus> dario.
[12:31] <Maxdamantus> Try going to where the file was in a file browser.
[12:31] <dario> i did it
[12:31] <dario> and now
[12:31] <markc> Maxdamantus: a a/v optimized version of ubuntu, it's slow because a poopload of people have been waiting for this for months... it's possibly going to become the premiere audio/visual distro for linux
[12:31] <Maxdamantus> Should've created a directory called "FretsOnFirexx.xx.xx" or something.
[12:31] <Admiral_Chicago> Maxdamantus: its a highly revised version of Ubuntu that is built optimized for multimedia development.
[12:31] <Maxdamantus> Go into that, and read INSTALL.
[12:32] <dario> there isn't an install file
[12:32] <Maxdamantus> What files are there?
[12:32] <Admiral_Chicago> it currently works on x86 only.
[12:32] <Maxdamantus> configure?
[12:32] <markc> Maxdamantus: the bottom line should be a realtime kernel with a viable and stable jack enable audio tool chain
[12:32] <Maxdamantus> Or is it pre-compiled?
[12:32] <Maxdamantus> dario, is there some file called something like "fretsonfire"?
[12:33] <dario> in this folder there are a lot of files .so
[12:33] <Maxdamantus> It'll be precompiled then.
[12:33] <dario> then there is a file called fretsonfire.bin
[12:33] <Maxdamantus> Go into the terminal.
[12:33] <dario> and a shell application called fretsonfire
[12:33] <Maxdamantus> Then cd to the directory, and "./fretsonfire.bin"
[12:33] <Maxdamantus> Oh.
[12:34] <Maxdamantus> "./fretsonfire"
[12:34] <Maxdamantus> (No quotes)
[12:34] <CCmonster> anyone here used torrentflux?
[12:34] <dario> ho it worked
[12:34] <dario> thankyou
[12:35] <dario> bb
[12:35] <Maxdamantus> Np.
[12:35] <Maxdamantus> Wait.
[12:35] <Maxdamantus> Do you want to make a shortcut?
[12:35] <Maxdamantus> Or run it from the terminal every time?
[12:36] <Maxdamantus> Yucky theme in those UbuntuStudio screenshots.
[12:36] <Maxdamantus> Though pretty good for GNOME.
[12:36] <Admiral_Chicago> i think the theme looks great
[12:36] <Admiral_Chicago> but I'm not here to argue, i'm here to do a paper.
[12:36] <Maxdamantus> I don't like it.
[12:37] <Maxdamantus> Lol.
[12:37] <intelikey> grag-n-grop link here
[12:37] <Admiral_Chicago> Maxdamantus: http://fluxbuntu.org/UbuntuStudio_7.04.torrent if you are interested
[12:37] <Maxdamantus> Nty.
[12:37] <intelikey> O T
[12:38] <intelikey>                :)
[12:38] <dcorbin> Can kubuntu install the nvidia driver, or only the "nv" driver?
[12:38] <Maxdamantus> Not really much use for me. Only thing I create to do with Multimedia is images.
[12:38] <Admiral_Chicago> !nvidia
[12:38] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[12:39] <intelikey> !nv | dcorbin
[12:39] <ubotu> dcorbin: please see above
[12:39] <Admiral_Chicago> dcorbin: that link
[12:39] <dcorbin> Thanks
[12:39] <r3> hello ... when i rotate the cube in beryl.. it wont switch to appropriate desktop
[12:39] <r3> can anyone help pls ?
[12:40] <Maxdamantus> #beryl might be more help. :S
[12:40] <r3> ou.. thnx :)
[12:41] <Maxdamantus> #kubuntu is pretty useless really.
[12:42] <r3> i am also interested in bootsplash and grub splash
[12:42] <r3> i guess i rather not use boot splash ment for other distro
[12:42] <r3> right ?
[12:42] <Maxdamantus> Google it. :P
[12:42] <Met631> hy
[12:42] <Maxdamantus> I havn't bothered putting one on yet. As I usually reboot about once a week.
[12:42] <intelikey> !usplash
[12:43] <ubotu> To select the usplash artwork you want, use "sudo update-alternatives --config usplash-artwork.so && sudo update-initramfs -u" - See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/USplashCustomizationHowto for adding your custom artwork
[12:43] <Maxdamantus> Try http://kde-look.org/
[12:43] <Maxdamantus> They have fairly good ones.
[12:43] <Maxdamantus> GRUB too.
[12:43] <r3> kde-look has no search
[12:43] <r3> :/
[12:44] <The_Alexander> hello. I have a problem with NVidia drivers
[12:44] <Maxdamantus> It has a "highest rated" order though.
[12:44] <The_Alexander> After installing they can tun XGL, but when I restart my computer - it wony
[12:44] <The_Alexander> wont
[12:44] <The_Alexander> it says that kernel doesnt support it
[12:44] <Maxdamantus> It does have search.
[12:45] <crdlb> The_Alexander: first off, you don't need Xgl with nvidia
[12:45] <crdlb> secondly what is the exact error?
[12:45] <The_Alexander> I want to run beryl :)
[12:45] <crdlb> you still don't need Xgl
[12:46] <The_Alexander> I dont know if I use good terms
[12:46] <The_Alexander> but Nvidia is needed for 3D acceleration
[12:46] <crdlb> ok so how did you install the nvidia driver?
[12:46] <The_Alexander> right?
[12:46] <crdlb> yes
[12:46] <The_Alexander> firstly I from .run from Nvidia site
[12:46] <crdlb> ugh
[12:46] <The_Alexander> it worked to first reboot
[12:46] <r3> hello alexander
[12:46] <r3> please type "fglrxinfo"
[12:47] <The_Alexander> later, I "updated" with nvidia-installer to stable version
[12:47] <crdlb> you did it all wrong
[12:47] <crdlb> !info nvidia-glx
[12:47] <ubotu> nvidia-glx: NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x/X.Org driver. In component restricted, is optional. Version 1:1.0.9631+2.6.20.5-15.20 (feisty), package size 4386 kB, installed size 13352 kB
[12:47] <crdlb> !info nvidia-glx-new
[12:47] <ubotu> nvidia-glx-new: NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x/X.Org 'new' driver. In component restricted, is optional. Version 1.0.9755+2.6.20.5-15.20 (feisty), package size 4719 kB, installed size 14400 kB
[12:47] <The_Alexander> so Ill have to install it with adept?
[12:48] <crdlb> yes but you have to undo the damage first
[12:48] <The_Alexander> how to do it?
[12:48] <crdlb> I don't know
[12:48] <crdlb> do you still have the installer?
[12:48] <The_Alexander> no
[12:48] <crdlb> then you can't
[12:48] <The_Alexander> but I can download again
[12:48] <crdlb> you have to run it in uninstall mode
[12:49] <The_Alexander> ok
[12:49] <crdlb> if you're going to use the manual installer you have to do it right
[12:49] <r3> uoooooou .... konqueror just stoped showing content of /media/hd* .... shoot
[12:49] <r3> i guess i reboot to find out if thats permenent
[12:49] <r3> ubotu ... thnx for da link
[12:50] <Maxdamantus> He's a bot/
[12:50] <Maxdamantus> You can feed him though.
[12:50] <crdlb> The_Alexander: see: http://doc.gwos.org/index.php/Latest_nvidia_feisty
[12:50] <crdlb> method 2
[12:50] <The_Alexander> ok
[12:50] <crdlb> getting back to the proper packages would be difficult and error-prone without a fresh reinstall
[12:50] <The_Alexander> so brb and thanks
[12:50] <r3> is he really a bot ?
[12:51] <crdlb> so just do it right following the guide
[12:51] <Maxdamantus> Yes.
[12:51] <crdlb> !botsnack
[12:51] <intelikey> r3 yes
[12:51] <ubotu> Yum! Err, I mean, APT!
[12:51] <intelikey> !bot
[12:51] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[12:51] <r3> hm.. got my thing right away ... smart one :D
[12:51] <r3> okay... let me reboot if my prob. with konqeror persits
[12:54] <Fahuadai> !botsnack
[12:54] <ubotu> Yum! Err, I mean, APT!
[12:54] <Puke> pouet ! ;)
[12:57] <Maxdamantus> !botsnack Yuck.. No, yum.. Wait, actually yuck.. Uhh
[12:57] <Maxdamantus> !botsnack | Yuck.. No, yum.. Wait, actually yuck.. Uhh
[12:57] <ubotu> Yuck.. No, yum.. Wait, actually yuck.. Uhh: Yum! Err, I mean, APT!
[12:58] <wilman> can someone tell me where the xine config files are?
[12:58] <r3> everything is just fine
[12:58] <r3> :)))
[12:58] <Puke> updatedb and locate xine? ? :p
[12:58] <Yorokobi> wilman, ~/.xine/config is one place
[12:58] <wilman> ok thx;)
[12:59] <dac_> jisao, Iwant to unsubscribe LBo
[12:59] <Jisao> just a sec
[01:00] <r3> hm.. i might have one more question
[01:00] <Jisao> http://www.linuxbasics.org/mailinglist/start
[01:00] <r3> the page that describes grub modification says "To proceed, you'll need to know the framebuffer code for your desired resolution:"
[01:00] <Jisao> the option to unsubscribe is at the bottom of the page, dac_
[01:00] <dac_> jisao, thanks
[01:01] <r3> yet i dont know what resolution my grub runs
[01:01] <Maxdamantus> r3, most monitors are able to tell you.
[01:01] <dac_> thank you, have a nice day
[01:02] <r3> maxdamantus - my linux works 1024*768 ... does it also mean that grub will work fine under this resolution?
[01:02] <Maxdamantus> It will work fine.
[01:02] <r3> it just looks like 640*480 ...
[01:02] <r3> okay.. i'll try
[01:02] <Maxdamantus> Anything will run fine on 1024*768, limited to the software.
[01:02] <Maxdamantus> But I'm fairly sure GRUB can run at 1024x768.
[01:05] <bagster> holler
[01:06] <bagster> i have an api mismatch error, rc  nvidia-glx 1.0.9631+2.6.20.5-15.20
[01:06] <bagster> and
[01:06] <bagster> ii  nvidia-glx-new 1.0.9755+2.6.20.5-15.20
[01:07] <bagster> how to remove the 9631?
[01:09] <crdlb> bagster: it said it was using the 9631 kernel module?
[01:09] <bagster> if i remember correctly :-S
[01:09] <crdlb> bagster: here's how to fix that problem:
[01:09] <gans20|malchik> is it possible to install Maven2 with apt ?
[01:09] <crdlb> edit /etc/default/linux-restricted-modules-common
[01:10] <crdlb> and set DISABLED_MODULES="nvidia_legacy nvidia"
[01:10] <crdlb> that will force it to use nvidia_new
[01:11] <bagster> aight
[01:11] <dac_> forgot password, have to do later
[01:13] <bagster> ok reboot
[01:18] <kim_> Hello hello! i need help!
[01:18] <flaccid> i do too
[01:18] <flaccid> in fact the human race needs lots of help
[01:18] <flaccid> more than you can imagine
[01:18] <kim_> The bank closes at 3, and i have a bank number i have to put money to today!!!
[01:19] <Yorokobi> you're on your own there kim_
[01:19] <kim_> Kopete has a rememberd conversation
[01:19] <kim_> where is that file??
[01:19] <bagster> thanks mate
[01:19] <kim_> ive reinstalled kopete yeasterday but i saved the kopete map and the kopete-history
[01:19] <crdlb> worked?
[01:19] <flaccid> kim_: use the log feature in kopete to view the log
[01:20] <flaccid> kim_: if you saved it then look at it
[01:20] <Maxdamantus> I'd say it would be defined by Kopete.
[01:20] <bagster> aye :)
[01:20] <Maxdamantus> Probably ~/.kopete or something.
[01:20] <Maxdamantus> Nope.
[01:20] <wilman> eveytime i change something in xine config it resets after restart what to do about it?
[01:20] <flaccid> try ~/.kde/share/apps/kopete/logs
[01:21] <flaccid> ^^ kim_
[01:21] <kim_> Yesterday, i took the kde/apps/koptete map and saved it to the desktop and then reinstalled
[01:21] <bagster> hmm
[01:21] <kim_> w8
[01:21] <Maxdamantus> Grr.. I don't like a few things about the kernel in this. :(
[01:21] <flaccid> kim_: look at the logs in a text editor like kate
[01:22] <bagster> dpkg-query -l | grep nvidia still gives me 9631 on the rc nvidia-glx
[01:22] <kim_> logs!
[01:22] <kim_> sec
[01:22] <flaccid> kim_: its a good idea to look at what you backup when you need the data back :)
[01:22] <bagster> is this ok?
[01:23] <kim_> Bah!
[01:23] <bagster> or should it also be 9755?
[01:23] <flaccid> bah? yes i'd like a beer please
[01:23] <kim_> All i can find in my trashcan is: kopete/logs/botmetro... and thats only one contact of 100 ive spoke too
[01:24] <Maxdamantus> kim_, why is it in the trashcan?
[01:24] <flaccid> the logs directory is based on your user account , not the person you speak with
[01:24] <flaccid> eg
[01:24] <Maxdamantus> Most programs leave the logs, and other data there.
[01:24] <crdlb> bagster: don't worry about the residual configuration
[01:24] <crdlb> it's not really a big deal
[01:24] <bagster> aight
[01:24] <flaccid> ~/.kde/share/apps/kopete/logs/MSNProtocol/myemail@hotmail-com
[01:24] <crdlb> you actually have 9755 installed
[01:24] <bagster> good
[01:24] <crdlb> which is what matters
[01:25] <bagster> thanks again.. i have another more complex issue, if you've got the time
[01:27] <crdlb> if it involves kde, I won't be on any use :)
[01:27] <wilman> eveytime i change something in xine config it resets after restart what to do about it?
[01:27] <bagster> i'll give it a shot
[01:27] <kim_> Everybody!! i found the code!!
[01:27] <flaccid> wilman: no need to repeat ;)
[01:28] <bagster> the kubuntu came with a networkmanager, but after having alot of troubles with it, i decided to look for an alternative, and i found "wireless assistant 0.5.5" this was great, so i removed the existing networkmanager, but i don't know if i removed the whole thing
[01:28] <Yorokobi> wilman, run 'ls -ld ~/.xine' does root own that dir?
[01:28] <flaccid> wilman: i've found that to be normal of xine heh
[01:28] <bagster> something in the background seems to still control some of the network settings
[01:28] <wilman> ok
[01:29] <kim_> I delited the kopete map and reinstalled couse i had a secret conversation.. But i never emptyd my trashcan
[01:29] <wilman> so this means i own xine dir now?
[01:29] <flaccid> kim_: ok thats different to your original story. ah well. cool.
[01:29] <kim_> well bla bla, ive gotta get the money in there before i die
[01:30] <kim_> flaccid: i dont know what i told you
[01:30] <flaccid> kim_: life is tough :)
[01:30] <wilman> Yorokobi: drwxr-xr-x 3 wilman wilman 4096 2007-05-11 13:18 /home/wilman/.xine
[01:30] <kim_> flaccid: zomg... Drugs suck, bye
[01:30] <flaccid> must have a mind of a goldfish
[01:30] <flaccid> lol
[01:30] <Yorokobi> wilman, you own it, not root. So its probably not a permissions problem.
[01:30] <flaccid> drugs are awesome actually. don't know what drug kim_ was on
[01:31] <Yorokobi> the wrong kind for her
[01:31] <flaccid> could of been a guy i guess
[01:31] <Yorokobi> aye
[01:31] <wilman> Yorokobi: ok, maybe he reloads the whole config from another file
[01:31] <flaccid> i've found that xine doesn't exactly save your last settings on clean close
[01:31] <flaccid> i just put up with it
[01:31] <Yorokobi> wilman, check out the documentation
[01:31] <flaccid> eg. volume full up or full down or whatever
[01:32] <wilman> Yorokobi: ok
[01:32] <Yorokobi> yeah, xine for me pretty much does what it wants. It works, so I don't mind.
[01:36] <wilman> Yorokobi: maybe thats why they did it
[01:46] <r3> ouu shoot... how do i kill apt-get downloading ?
[01:46] <r3> i chosen a very bad and very big file
[01:46] <flaccid> ctrl+c
[01:47] <r3> i closed the window
[01:47] <r3> how to come back ?
[01:47] <r3> heeeeeeepl
[01:47] <flaccid> what window?
[01:47] <flaccid> the bathroom or kitchen
[01:47] <r3> terminal
[01:48] <r3> :D
[01:48] <flaccid> you can't get back to the same prompt
[01:48] <flaccid> you can only login again under separate process
[01:48] <r3> so ? how to kill apt ?
[01:48] <r3> it keeps downloading
[01:48] <flaccid> ctrl+c
[01:48] <flaccid> oh
[01:48] <flaccid> you used a frontend?
[01:48] <Maxdamantus> Grr.. Bad Mario.
[01:48] <flaccid> ps aux | grep apt
[01:48] <flaccid> then kill -9 PID
[01:48] <r3> nope
[01:49] <flaccid> ok i guess you don't have to do it if you don't want to
[01:49] <r3> i did
[01:49] <r3> its still downloadin
[01:50] <Yorokobi> r3, 'sudo kill -9 PID' then
[01:50] <r3> i diiiiid
[01:50] <flaccid> kill -9 PID will work if you designate the right PID...
[01:50] <r3> ERROR: garbage process ID "PID".
[01:50] <Yorokobi> haha
[01:51] <Yorokobi> r3, 'pgrep apt' then use the number as the PID in kill
[01:51] <flaccid> hmmm
[01:51] <flaccid> maybe try ksysguard
[01:52] <r3> arrrrgh
[01:52] <r3> the id that contains apt are 5005 and 4166
[01:52] <r3> but none of this works
[01:53] <flaccid> weird
[01:53] <r3> ERROR: unknown signal name "4166".
[01:53] <r3> sudo ksysguard
[01:53] <flaccid> which command is that from exactly?
[01:53] <r3> sudo kill -4166 PID
[01:53] <flaccid> no
[01:53] <Yorokobi> sudo kill -9 4166
[01:53] <r3> and i also tried 5005
[01:53] <flaccid> yeah like Yorokobi said
[01:53] <r3> arrrrgh
[01:54] <Yorokobi> PID is a psuedonym for the actual process ID (PID) of the process you want to kill
[01:54] <flaccid> you didn't follow syntax from beginning :)
[01:54] <r3> uuuuuuuuuufffffff
[01:54] <r3> now it stopped
[01:54] <r3> :)
[01:54] <flaccid> sweet
[01:54] <Yorokobi> I guess abbreviation is more correct than psuedonym
[01:54] <r3> how to remove thingz allready downloaded
[01:54] <flaccid> kill -9 will always generally kill parent and childs
[01:54] <r3> thnx a lot guyz... reaally
[01:54] <flaccid> np
[01:55] <Yorokobi> r3, sudo rm /var/cache/apt/archives/*.deb
[01:55] <Yorokobi> that'll delete anything downloaded by apt
[01:55] <r3> i would never guess that apt-get update grub would take 530 MB
[01:55] <flaccid> he might need some of those
[01:55] <flaccid> r3 that cant be right
[01:55] <r3> i just wanna make sure it wont continue downloading next time i use apt
[01:55] <Yorokobi> flaccid, I never have needed a package that I couldn't download at any time
[01:56] <r3> im running 180kbps :D lol... would take 4ever
[01:56] <r3> its mobile connection
[01:56] <flaccid> you != everyone
[01:57] <Yorokobi> meh, the practise started with dselect and stuck
[01:57] <flaccid> i don't know what they are hehe
[01:57] <r3> ok guyz, i have to kill session.. thnx a lot one more time
[01:57] <flaccid> np
[02:05] <tondar> hey all
[02:05] <tondar> anyone used katapult?
[02:05] <peek> hello there ;)
[02:05] <peek>  I have another simple noob question..... how is the sources.list line for developement repositories of kubuntu?  I'm looking especially for the new  NVIDIA drivers... and such things
[02:06] <tondar> katapult anyone?
[02:06] <flaccid> i use it sometimes
[02:07] <tondar> flaccid: how do I add short for home?
[02:07] <flaccid> don't know
[02:07] <dettoaltrimenti_> question- I know how to see what dependencies a package has in aptitude, but is there any way to see which installed packages depend on an installed package?
[02:07] <flaccid> never configured it
[02:07] <tondar> flaccid: could I add custom short for apps at all?
[02:07] <Yorokobi> tondar, Alt+Space 'konque ...' until it shows Konqueror
[02:08] <tondar> Yorokobi: i know that
[02:08] <flaccid> tondar: no idea sorry, but im' thinking not
[02:08] <tondar> how about custom shorts?
[02:08] <tondar> Yorokobi: ?
[02:08] <tondar> Yorokobi: how could I get home dir with it?
[02:08] <Yorokobi> Use konqueror
[02:08] <flaccid> you type home
[02:08] <Yorokobi> click on the Home link
[02:09] <flaccid> alt+space, type home, press enter
[02:09] <Yorokobi> I don't have katapult installed anymore, can't test it out
[02:09] <tondar> yeah but it wont recognoze when I do alt+space then home
[02:09] <flaccid> weird
[02:10] <kajtek> Hello
[02:11] <kajtek> HeLLO!
[02:11] <kajtek> HELLO!
[02:11] <flaccid> hi
[02:11] <kajtek> Ekhm
[02:11] <n8k99> dettoaltrimenti_: that may be something that can be done with graphviz - which is a development tool
[02:12] <dettoaltrimenti_> thanks n8k99
[02:16] <LjL> dettoaltrimenti_, i don't get your question. if a package is installed, an "apt-cache show <package>" will show its dependencies; and since the package is installed, the dependencies are also installed *by definition*
[02:18] <dettoaltrimenti_> LjL- yeah, that shows the dependencies, but I want to see 'depent-on' packages: for example, which of my installed programs are dependent on 'libc6'
[02:19] <bagster> !katapult
[02:19] <ubotu> katapult is the new application launcher for KDE, to be used with applications, bookmarks, and Amarok playlists. Once you have installed, hit Alt+f2 -> katapult, then hit Alt+Space, and type what you want.
[02:20] <LjL> dettoaltrimenti_, ah i see... a quick way would be to do "sudo apt-get --simulate remove libc6" and see what would get removed
[02:20] <dettoaltrimenti_> ah
[02:20] <LjL> dettoaltrimenti_: although, that would not only give you the packages that *directly* depend on libc6, but also those that depend on packages that depend on libc6, etc
[02:20] <LjL> (so basically everything, in the case of libc6 ;)
[02:20] <dettoaltrimenti_> this better be a simulation!
[02:20] <Maxdamantus> Bed.
[02:21] <LjL> dettoaltrimenti_: well that's what the --simulate switch does ;-) but even if you forget it, you're still given a chance to not press Yes
[02:21] <LjL> dettoaltrimenti_: or, try "apt-cache rdepends libc6", that's very useful too
[02:21] <LjL> dettoaltrimenti_: but it will give you *all* packages that depend on libc6, not just the ones you have installed
[02:21] <LjL> so i still think the apt-get simulation is closest to your request
[02:22] <dettoaltrimenti_> LjL the rdepends is what I was looking for, definately- thanks
[02:22] <dettoaltrimenti_> is there a picture somewhere online, some kind of graphical representation of which packages are dependent on one another in ubuntu?
[02:22] <LjL> dettoaltrimenti_: probably not, but i know there is a package that does that
[02:22] <LjL> i was searching for it a minute ago, but can't find it right now
[02:23] <LjL> dettoaltrimenti_: but again, remember that rdepends does *not* show installed packages, but everything in the repos
[02:23] <LjL> dettoaltrimenti_: ah wait, there's a switch i didn't know about
[02:23] <LjL> dettoaltrimenti_: try  apt-cache --installed rdepends libc6"
[02:24] <LjL> dettoaltrimenti_: there's also  apt-get --recurse rdepends <package>" to show not only direct dependencies but indirect ones as well (that easily gets huge, of course)
[02:31] <raphiq> hi
[02:36] <lusum> hi
[02:37] <Alextremo> Hello )))))))))))))))
[02:37] <Alextremo> What's up ?
[02:37] <lusum> it is possible to have ffmpeg with mp3 support without recompiling?
[02:37] <Alextremo> mmmmmmm
[02:39] <compilerwriter> I have a pgp issue folks.  I did a fresh reinstall of my system. I have downloaded my public key with kgpg now how do I copy the thing into the trusted keys for ssh?
[02:42] <_4strO> Alextremo: not sure i really understand
[02:42] <_4strO> Alextremo: think you have just to sudo apt-get install ffmpeg libxine1-ffmpeg
[02:44] <_4strO> oups
[02:44] <_4strO> lusum:  think you have just to sudo apt-get install ffmpeg libxine1-ffmpeg
[02:46] <_4strO> compilerwriter: think you have tu put your key file in ~/.ssh
[02:48] <compilerwriter> Yes I know that, 4str0,  I just wondered how to seperate the keyfile off the keyring to copy it over to .ssh?
[02:49] <lusum> _4strO: i will try
[02:49] <compilerwriter> 4str0 I think I have found my singular backup of the public key file though.  it has the same name as the key and ends in .asc
[02:50] <compilerwriter> 4stro If worse comes to worse I will simply create a new key pair.
[02:50] <compilerwriter> 4str0 can a public key be recreated from the private key?
[02:54] <_4strO> compilerwriter: sorry my knowledge about key is very limited :p
[02:58] <rav_lublin> elo witam wszystkich :)
[02:58] <rav_lublin> #lublin
[03:00] <rav_lublin> #lublin join
[03:00] <aleale2> hi, I have always the invalid access point with my kubuntu 7.04, I've followed all instructions, but same results, i have read about a bug, can be the cause?
[03:00] <compilerwriter> _4str0 thanks for the help thus far.
[03:00] <rav_lublin> join #lublin
[03:01] <r3> $sudo ln -s splashimages/debsplash.xpm.gz splash.xpm.gz - gives me permision denied
[03:01] <r3> any idea ?
[03:02] <Astro-Freshmex> hi i need some help with the livecd
[03:04] <_4strO> !ask | Estry
[03:04] <ubotu> Estry: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[03:07] <Werzi2001> hi@ll
[03:08] <Werzi2001> nutzt hier jemand kooldock?
[03:08] <compilerwriter> !de Werzi2001
[03:08] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about de werzi2001 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:08] <Werzi2001> oh sorry
[03:08] <compilerwriter> !de | werzo2001
[03:08] <ubotu> werzo2001: Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[03:09] <Estry> do you know how i can mount an ntfs partition under the live cd?
[03:10] <aleale2> hi, I have always the invalid access point with my kubuntu 7.04, I've followed all instructions, but same results, i have read about a bug, can be the cause?
[03:16] <Estry> sorry
[03:16] <Estry> so yes. is it possible to mount an ntfs partition in kubuntu whilst in livecd?
[03:16] <BluesKaj> !X
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[03:16] <justin_> can yall help with running autocad 2002 in wine?
[03:18] <Estry> no idea about it
[03:19] <bonbonthejon> ok, anyone try the feisty upgrades this morning?
[03:19] <hans_> Estry: you should be able to ,ount ntfs
[03:20] <hans_> mount even
[03:20] <justin_> it is missing some .dlls but i dont know where to put them!!
[03:21] <hans_> Estry: mkdir /media/whatever && mount -t ntfs /mount/hda1 /media/whatever
[03:22] <Estry> this is in livecd?
[03:23] <rav_lublin> jak sie przelaczyc na inny kanal ??
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[03:24] <bonbonthejon> anyone else having problems with HAL and power source after feisty upgrades this morning
[03:25] <rav_lublin> #lublin
[03:25] <Estry> cool works a charm
[03:25] <Estry> let's see if i can burn though
[03:25] <eTangenT> hey there guys, I'm trying to install Feisty with the live/install CD, but when the install gets to step 4 (partitioning), it scans the disks, but then nothing shows up in the dialog, and I can't do anything else but cancel.
[03:26] <rav_lublin> #poland
[03:26] <Estry> hmm
[03:26] <Estry> hans, ic ant enter the folder
[03:26] <bonbonthejon> eTangenT: open konsole and run "sudo fdisk -l
[03:27] <Estry> oh dw :)
[03:27] <neptuno> buenos dias
[03:27] <eTangenT> Disk /dev/sda: 40.0 GB, 40007761920 bytes
[03:27] <eTangenT> 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 4864 cylinders
[03:27] <eTangenT> Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes
[03:27] <eTangenT> that's the disk it should install on
[03:28] <bonbonthejon> !es | neptuno
[03:28] <ubotu> neptuno: Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[03:28] <eTangenT> but before, it never registered as /dev/sda, it should be /dev/hda, I think
[03:29] <bonbonthejon> eTangenT: in feisty all drives are sd_
[03:29] <eTangenT> bonbonthejon: Ah. Makes sense.
[03:30] <eTangenT> Now, I have Windows on that partition right now
[03:30] <eTangenT> the HD is NTFS, at the moment
[03:31] <bonbonthejon> eTangenT: ok, do you want to keep the NTFS or can you wipe it
[03:31] <eTangenT> wipe it.
[03:32] <bonbonthejon> eTangenT: ok, the installer should allow you to erase the disk
[03:32] <eTangenT> k, I'm at "How do you want to partition the disks?"
[03:32] <eTangenT> but it gives me no options
[03:33] <eTangenT> the rest of the dialog is blank except for buttons
[03:33] <eTangenT> Next and Back are greyed, only Cancel is clickable
[03:34] <Estry> oh
[03:34] <Estry> doh
[03:34] <Estry> k3b needs more space
[03:34] <Estry> dammit
[03:34] <bonbonthejon> eTangenT: my suggestion is to download the alternative install CD, I've never had a problem with it, the live CD some times does
[03:34] <danny500> hey guy's
[03:34] <bonbonthejon> hi danny500
[03:34] <danny500> um I have got yet again another little prob lol
[03:34] <danny500> refresh rate probs
[03:35] <Estry> i had them too
[03:35] <Estry> experiment with the numbers
[03:35] <Estry> and find the one you want
[03:35] <Estry> their numbers are just stuffed
[03:36] <danny500> everytime I play a game it puts the refresh rate up to 85KHz which makes my screen start flickering like crazy. It also does this everytime I'm on my login window
[03:36] <rav_lublin> #ubuntu polska
[03:36] <rav_lublin> #ubuntu poland
[03:36] <danny500> #ubuntu-p
[03:36] <rav_lublin> #ubuntu-p
[03:36] <danny500> no, wrong one sorry
[03:37] <danny500> #ubuntu-poland
[03:37] <bonbonthejon> rav_lublin: you need to do "/join #ubuntu-poland"
[03:37] <danny500> again, wrong
[03:37] <bonbonthejon> !po
[03:37] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about po - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:37] <HymnToLife> !pl
[03:37] <ubotu> Mozesz uzyskac pomoc w jezyku polskim na #ubuntu-pl
[03:37] <danny500> !ubuntu poland
[03:37] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ubuntu poland - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:37] <danny500> !poland
[03:37] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about poland - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:37] <danny500> !language
[03:37] <rav_lublin> #ubuntu-poland
[03:37] <HymnToLife> !botabuse | danny500
[03:37] <ubotu> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[03:37] <danny500> i didn't swear
[03:38] <rav_lublin> #ubuntu-pl
[03:38] <danny500> you got it
[03:38] <rav_lublin> join #ubuntu-pl
[03:38] <ubotu> danny500: Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots (see also !Bot). Abusing the channel bots will only result in angry ops...
[03:39] <danny500> !ubotu \ stop your whining, I was helping him lol
[03:39] <danny500> anyways
[03:39] <danny500> how do I keep my refresh rate at 70KHz all the time?
[03:41] <Estry> what game is it
[03:41] <danny500> all
[03:41] <bonbonthejon> danny500: it should be in your xorg.conf
[03:41] <danny500> how do I open that again?
[03:42] <bonbonthejon> danny500: hit ctrl-alt-f1 to get to a console, then login, then "sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf"
[03:42] <eTangenT> oh what on earth
[03:42] <eTangenT> bonbonthejon: NOW it's working.
[03:43] <eTangenT> I've had the window open this whole time, and it just popped up.
[03:43] <eTangenT> Odd.
[03:43] <bonbonthejon> eTangenT: must have been trying to read the disk, or something
[03:44] <dfeser> hey all!
[03:44] <danny500> ok now how do I open xorg.conf in a text editor?
[03:44] <dfeser> i have problems sending mails out of kmail under feisty...
[03:44] <dfeser> sending stays at status 0%
[03:44] <bonbonthejon> danny500: that should open it in nano
[03:44] <savetheWorld> MFSOBBB!
[03:44] <danny500> it opened it in the terminal
[03:45] <danny500> I hate that
[03:45] <danny500> can't copy and paste to good
[03:45] <dfeser> but no kmail reports no error
[03:45] <dfeser> help please :-)
[03:45] <BluesKaj> strange... I guess i didn't tell xserver to write to xorg cuz x11/xorg.conf is empty..does that make sense ?
[03:45] <danny500> never mind, found the file manually
[03:46] <danny500> !pastebin
[03:46] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[03:46] <dogalife> hello
[03:46] <r3> is there a way to change login screen ?
[03:46] <danny500> yes
[03:46] <dogalife> yes kdm
[03:46] <danny500> you mean the looks of it?
[03:46] <dfeser> noone here who can help me with kmail?
[03:47] <dogalife> download a theme from kde-look.org
[03:47] <bonbonthejon> dfeser: what does it say
[03:47] <danny500> !kde-look.org
[03:47] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kde-look.org - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:47] <dogalife> then do follow the how to install
[03:47] <dogalife> www.kde-look.org
[03:48] <dfeser> bonbonthejon no error...it just keeps sending...
[03:48] <dfeser> bonbonthejon i try to send a mail with just some words in it
[03:49] <bonbonthejon> dfeser: there should be a little arrow next to the progress bar, that should open up a window with the status
[03:49] <dogalife> what problem about your kmail
[03:49] <dfeser> bonbonthejon it says "messages being sent 0%"
[03:50] <bonbonthejon> dfeser: open a console and try to ping the server
[03:50] <dfeser> bonbonthejon if i dont interrupt the sending it keeps sending
[03:50] <dfeser> bonbonthejon using telnet I can send an email
[03:50] <danny500> ok back to the refresh rate problem
[03:50] <danny500> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/20344/
[03:50] <BluesKaj> r3 . system settings/splash screen
[03:50] <dfeser> bonbonthejon im no noob...its sure no comm problem with the server
[03:51] <bonbonthejon> dfeser: I dont know, ask in #kde or #kmail
[03:52] <drkns> hello
[03:52] <drkns> i need help about gimp
[03:53] <danny500> what about gimp?
[03:53] <drkns> i compiled gimp but it didnt put an entry in to the menu
[03:53] <drkns> how can i locate and put an entry of gimp?
[03:54] <drkns> it can be on desktop or menu under graphics
[03:54] <danny500> find the folder with the gimp loader file, and use your menu editor
[03:54] <drkns> what is the laderfile extension?
[03:55] <drkns> loaderfile
[03:55] <danny500> probably .sh
[03:55] <drkns> thx alot
[03:55] <danny500> no prob
[03:58] <wolferine> how do you eject your ipod in amarok?
[04:00] <danny500> wolferine: pull the plug lol
[04:00] <wolferine> ah, you dont have one then
[04:00] <danny500> ?
[04:01] <danny500> what do you mean?
[04:02] <danny500> I don't have an IPOD, I have a Creative Vision M 60GB and to undock it from Amarok I just disconnect it from it's docking station and It's all good
[04:02] <drkns> danny apparently there is no .sh related to gimp
[04:02] <danny500> hold on
[04:02] <drkns> i have located 3 folders thats gimp
[04:03] <drkns> usr/local/etc
[04:03] <drkns> usr/local/lib
[04:03] <drkns> usr/local/share
[04:03] <drkns> with bunch of files in em
[04:03] <danny500> usr/bin
[04:03] <bonbonthejon> drkns: just a question, why not install the gimp from the repos
[04:03] <drkns> i compiled the latest version
[04:04] <danny500> usr/bin/gimp*.*
[04:04] <danny500> 2.2?
[04:04] <ksnipz> was hoping someone could help me fix a dual boot problem, I've fixed my grub boot menu but when I choose my XP partition, it just hangs at "starting up", I've looked through the wiki's and forums but havn't been able to find anything that solves my problem.
[04:04] <drkns> repos have stable version i dont want that
[04:04] <ForgeAus> !grub
[04:04] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[04:04] <danny500> no 2.2 is stable
[04:04] <ForgeAus> but that doesn't fix XP you have to fix NTLDR first
[04:04] <danny500> it's 2.3 that isn't
[04:04] <drkns> yep i have the latest version
[04:04] <ForgeAus> get it going THEN add grub
[04:04] <danny500>  so you have 2.2 then
[04:04] <restless_rb> knsipz: Do you have rootnoverify option in grub?
[04:05] <drkns> i have 2.3.16
[04:05] <danny500> usr/bin/gimp2.3
[04:07] <ksnipz> no i just have it as root
[04:07] <ksnipz> !pastebin
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[04:08] <ksnipz> restless_rb, -> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/20347/ thats my menu.lst
[04:08] <drkns> danny nope there is no gimp 2.3 under bin
[04:09] <ksnipz> I'm thinking I got a recursive map thing going, where I map from one to another then back
[04:10] <restless_rb> ksnipz : the map thing seems weird to me. Do you really need this?
[04:10] <drkns> thx i found it
[04:10] <drkns> thanks fellas
[04:10] <BluesKaj> anyone here have any luck with the TV Wonder Pro card and TVtime on kubuntu edgy ?
[04:10] <drkns> my next problem is ndiswrapper and my wireless card
[04:11] <ksnipz> restless_rb wihtout it, I grub will spit an error saying unsupported executable
[04:11] <drkns> i installed ndiswrapper and my cards driver successfully
[04:11] <drkns> however i need to modprobe ndiswrapper to get the lights going on the card and cannot register to AP eventhough i can scann and see my ssid
[04:12] <restless_rb> ksnipz: did you install windows xp on your second harddrive?
[04:12] <ksnipz> yea, windows is on my second
[04:12] <dr_willis> I got lucky with my wireless card under Fiesty. installed fwcutter, and it did all the work. :)
[04:12] <ksnipz> (slave)
[04:13] <drkns> isnt it true that fwcutter limits the speed to 11mbts?
[04:13] <drkns> my card is 54g and i want it that way
[04:14] <restless_rb> ksnipz: can you try to remove the map thing and add rootnoverify  instead?
[04:15] <BluesKaj> ksnipz, download and burn Super Grub to a cd ...it will help you reinstall the windows mbr on your 2nd drive '
[04:15] <sl00> Hi. I have some trouble mounting a ftp-server using CurlFTPfs. I created a directory using 'sudo mkdir myftp' then 'sudo curlftpfs ftp://myftpinfo' but I cannot enter the directory after that. If I 'ls -l' without sudo I get only get questionsmarks (?) instead of mod, time, size etc. What am I missing here?
[04:16] <dr_willis> Im not sure you need to do all that as root. as for the ??? stuff its possible the ftpfs stuff cant get that file info so it gives ??'s
[04:17] <dr_willis> if the dir is owned by root a normal user may not be able to access it fully
[04:17] <ksnipz> sl00 could be a privilidges thing
[04:17] <ksnipz> did you try navigating it as root?
[04:17] <sl00> dr_willis: I used sudo because it said I had no permission. I will try again without sudo.
[04:18] <dave_> how do i make programs start on gnome login?
[04:18] <sl00> ksnipz: Yes. If I 'sudo ls -l' then there are no questionmarks. But I cannot 'sudo cd'
[04:18] <dr_willis> you proberly needed to use sudo to make that dir WHERE you were trying to make it. :)
[04:18] <Jucato> dave_: um.. ask in #ubuntu ?
[04:18] <dr_willis> dave_,  normally you start them. and when you exit gnome it should rember.. but then again - this is #kubuntu  - i dont use gnome. :)
[04:18] <Jucato> !startup | dave_
[04:18] <ubotu> dave_: To add programs to start up when you log into your Gnome session go to System>Preferences>Sessions and use the Startup Programs tab. For more information, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AddingProgramToSessionStartup
[04:19] <dave_> ah i didn't realize
[04:19] <dave_> so Kubuntu is ubuntu with kde?
[04:19] <Jucato> yes
[04:20] <sl00> dr_willis: Without sudo I get 'fuse: failed to exec fusermount: Permission denied'
[04:20] <dave_> what exactly is difference between kde and gnome?
[04:20] <ksnipz> sl00, when I do curlftp i just use curlftpfs ftpaddress localdir -o user=ftpuser:ftppass
[04:20] <Jucato> dave_: hm.. that question has caused many a war :)
[04:20] <ksnipz> and the local folder I make using the normal user
[04:20] <dave_> haha i dont want a war, just a simple, sweet answer haha
[04:20] <eTangenT> wooohoooo! Kubuntu is installed and running smoothly.
[04:20] <Jucato> dave_: that's the problem. there is no "simple, sweet answer" :D
[04:20] <ksnipz> sl00, I think maybe its your fuse app, you need to grant your user privlidges
[04:21] <dave_> ok - well then how do i install kde so i can see the difference ?
[04:21] <thefirstdude> jucato, let's war until the looser dies
[04:21] <sl00> ksnipz: Hmm Ok. Just the fusermount ?
[04:21] <Jucato> !kde | dave_
[04:21] <ubotu> dave_: KDE (http://kde.org) is the !desktop environment used natively in !Kubuntu. To install from Ubuntu:  sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop , or see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingKDE . Latest KDE version is 3.5.6 for Feisty and Edgy, and 3.5.5 for Dapper. See http://kubuntu.org for more information.
[04:21] <dr_willis> dave_,  thats a Kubuntu Faq. :)  install 'kubuntu-desktop'
[04:21] <dave_> very good
[04:21] <dave_> can i switch back and forth between them?
[04:22] <rollerskatejamms> Hi, I'm using regular Ubuntu, and trying to install the kubuntu-desktop package.
[04:22] <rollerskatejamms> I get the following message:
[04:22] <rollerskatejamms> kubuntu-desktop:
[04:22] <rollerskatejamms>  Depends: kde-guidance but it is not going to be installed
[04:22] <rollerskatejamms>  Recommends: kde-guidance-powermanager but it is not going to be installed
[04:22] <rollerskatejamms> But I definitely have all repositories enabled. I used source-o-matic.
[04:22] <ksnipz> sl00 I would think so, mind you I had a similar problem but it was ages ago and once I got passed it thanks to google, I never came across it again
[04:22] <roadfish> How do I use my camera as a mass storage device. when Kubuntu auto-detects my camera, konqueror brings up a window with "camera://USB PTP...etc". But how can I use "ls", "find", "grep"?
[04:22] <drkns> bye all solved some problems today you were awesome
[04:22] <dr_willis> rollerskatejamms,  you may of enabled too many repos. :)
[04:22] <rollerskatejamms> dr_willis, huh?
[04:22] <Jucato> dave_: yes. you can switch between them in the login screen
[04:23] <rollerskatejamms> dr_willis, How can a dependency be unresolvable due to too many repos?
[04:23] <dr_willis> rollerskatejamms,   you dident need to enable any extra ones. comment out the extras and try a update/install again
[04:23] <sl00> ksnipz: Heh Ok. I will try a chmod.
[04:23] <dr_willis> rollerskatejamms,  if one repo does somthing stupid.. it can happen
[04:23] <rollerskatejamms> dr_willis, But I like the universe/multiverse repos.
[04:23] <Jucato> dave_: here's the most basic, unbiased answer. the difference between GNOME and KDE is GNOME uses GTK+ and KDE uses Qt as their widget toolkits
[04:23] <dr_willis> rollerskatejamms,  REENABLE them afterwards
[04:23] <rollerskatejamms> dr_willis, Yes I realized that.
[04:23] <dr_willis> :)
[04:23] <rollerskatejamms> Ok lets see what happens.
[04:23] <dave_> so its totally just a "look and feel" kind of difference?
[04:23] <dr_willis> firt thing i do on a ubuntu isntall is install kubuntu-desktop
[04:23] <_4strO> !bind
[04:23] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about bind - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:24] <dr_willis> first thing i do on a kubuntu intall is install Ubuntu-desktop :)
[04:24] <patrick__> test
[04:25] <rollerskatejamms> dr_willis, It didn't help.
[04:25] <patrick__> I installed Java from the repo,  but it won't let me accept  the lisense agreement, any idea why this is?
[04:25] <rollerskatejamms> dr_willis, Can I get a copy of your sources.list file perhaps?
[04:26] <dr_willis> rollerskatejamms,  im using the defaults. and you DID do a 'apt-get update' after changing the sources.list?
[04:26] <rollerskatejamms> dr_willis, of course I did.
[04:26] <dr_willis> rollerskatejamms,  you would not be supprised at the # of times people forget that :)
[04:26] <dr_willis> counting myself. :)
[04:27] <dr_willis> !info  kde-guidance
[04:27] <ubotu> kde-guidance: collection of KDE system administration tools for GNU/Linux. In component main, is optional. Version 0.8.0-0ubuntu5 (feisty), package size 956 kB, installed size 3884 kB
[04:28] <dr_willis> Hmm.. thats optional.. odd...
[04:28] <rollerskatejamms> dr_willis, That's strange, when I do an apt-cache search for kde-guidance it DOES show up. And thats the depedancy its complaining about.
[04:30] <rollerskatejamms> ok
[04:30] <rollerskatejamms> i followed the missing dependancies
[04:30] <rollerskatejamms> trying to install each one, and seeing which pkg it complains about
[04:30] <rollerskatejamms> finally, it gets to python2.5-dev:
[04:30] <rollerskatejamms>   Depends: python2.5 (=2.5.1~rc1-0ubuntu3) but 2.5.1-0ubuntu1 is to be installed
[04:31] <rollerskatejamms> So kubuntu-desktop depends on an RC package? that sounds like a repo bug to me.
[04:31] <dr_willis> you havent installed/used automatix2 have you?
[04:31] <rollerskatejamms> no, ive had people !automatix me enough times
[04:31] <crazy_bus> I've got a pdf that basical freezes my computer (but using all the memory and cpu) when I try and load it in kpdf.  The same pdf loads in adobe acrobat on windows.  Does this sound like a bug?
[04:32] <rollerskatejamms> I'll just remove python. I bet I installed a newer version from some non-mainline repo.
[04:32] <dave_> i'm gona try K
[04:32] <dave_> thanks guys
[04:32] <rollerskatejamms> Oh, I can't remove python. too much stuff depends on it. Oh well no biggie.
[04:33] <rollerskatejamms> I'm filing a bug.
[04:33] <dr_willis> i recall some issue with python 2.5 and 2.4  but not sure thats the issue in this case
[04:34] <dr_willis> it looks likt ie may be some version issue.
[04:34] <dr_willis>  (=2.5.1~rc1-0ubuntu3) but 2.5.1-0ubuntu1
[04:34] <dr_willis> try it again later perhaps. or be brave and use theforce option (bad idea) :)
[04:35] <sl00> Bleh. I chmod +x fusermount but now I get 'fusermount: failed to open /dev/fuse: Permission denied'
[04:37] <dave_> hmm so i logged out and it didn't give me an option for kde>?
[04:38] <Jucato> dave_: you have installed kubuntu-desktop already?
[04:39] <ForgeAus> hey jucato :)
[04:39] <dave_> yes just did that
[04:39] <Jucato> hi ForgeAus
[04:39] <Jucato> dave_: then in the login screen, the Session menu should give you an entry for GNOME and KDE
[04:40] <dave_> ah must have just missed it
[04:40] <zach> hey all I'd like to know if getting beryl/3d accel. is possible with an ati "Rage Mobility P/M AGP 2x (rev 64)"?
[04:42] <ubunturos> ssh server can be installed using what package name?
[04:43] <ubunturos> eeks, ah - reframing - sudo apt-get install ssh-server ??
[04:45] <ubunturos> !ssh-server
[04:45] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ssh-server - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:45] <Jucato> !find ssh
[04:45] <ubotu> Found: openssh-client, openssh-server, ssh, ssh-askpass-gnome, aolserver4-nssha1 (and 21 others)
[04:45] <Jucato> just "ssh"
[04:45] <ubunturos> Jucato: thanks
[04:46] <ubunturos> Jucato: openssh-server - Secure shell server, an rshd replacement - will work with a usual ssh client?
[04:46] <Jucato> um.. not really sure :)
[04:46] <rollerskatejamms> ffCan anybody offer some advice as to how I might workaround this bug? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-meta/+bug/114047
[04:47] <Fahuadai> Hello guys.
[04:49] <sl00> What is the root password set to?
[04:50] <Jucato> sl00: nothing. you use "sudo"
[04:50] <Jucato> !sudo | sl00
[04:50] <ubotu> sl00: sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[04:50] <jhutchins> !kdesu
[04:50] <Fahuadai> where can i find out more about contributing programming skills to (k)ubuntu? ithe info https://wiki.kubuntu.org/HelpingKubuntu on there is a little... sparse....
[04:50] <sl00> Jucato: I know about sudo but I want to login as root.
[04:50] <ubotu> In KDE, use  kdesu  to run graphical applications with root privileges when you have to. Do *not* use  sudo <GUI application> ; you can muck up your permissions/config files. For what to use in GNOME, see !gksudo
[04:50] <Jucato> sl00: command line or GUI? and why?
[04:50] <sl00> Jucato: Command line
[04:50] <jhutchins> Fahuadai: Best thing to do is to fix bugs.
[04:51] <Jucato> sl00: "sudo -i" (if you read the wiki page).
[04:51] <Fahuadai> i'm cool with that and figured that's whats needed. where to start?
[04:52] <pag> Fahuadai, join #kubuntu-devel I think they know better ;)
[04:52] <Fahuadai> thanks.
[04:52] <sl00> Jucato: Ok. I will try.
[04:54] <dave_> can anyone recommend how to shrink an ntfs partition if qtparted and gparted wont do it?
[04:55] <dr_willis> dave_,  mondo/mindi perhaps.. or figure out why they wont do it.
[04:55] <dr_willis> you did scandisk/defrag befor trying to resize?
[04:55] <dave_> yes i did both
[04:55] <dave_> it doesn't give any actual error message
[04:56] <zach> dave,is the drive unmounted when you try to resize?
[04:56] <dave_> just something liek "cannot complete the operation"
[04:56] <dr_willis> try that gparted livecd perhaps.
[04:56] <dave_> yes its unmounted
[04:56] <dr_willis> it may have a newer version of the tools.
[04:56] <dr_willis> plus its darn handy to have in your PC tool box. :)
[04:56] <chopin> what should i download to get DVD playback working in Kaffeine?
[04:56] <dr_willis> !dvd
[04:56] <ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[04:56] <dave_> what is mondo/mindi?
[04:56] <chopin> danke
[04:57] <dr_willis> !info mondo
[04:57] <ubotu> mondo: powerful disaster recovery suite. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.20-1.1 (feisty), package size 402 kB, installed size 1132 kB
[04:57] <dr_willis> !info mindo
[04:57] <ubotu> Package mindo does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[04:57] <dr_willis> !info mindi
[04:57] <ubotu> mindi: creates boot/root disks based on your system. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.20-2ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 152 kB, installed size 728 kB (Only available for amd64 i386 ia64)
[04:57] <dr_willis> its a backup/restore set of tools for making partition images/and so forth
[04:58] <dr_willis> ive used it befor to backup to DVD then restore to differnt sized (or different hd's)
[05:03] <dr_willis> hmm.. wow.. using xming on windows pc's to get a kde desktop from my server. Is.. DARN handy! :)
[05:06] <DarthFrog> Good morning.
[05:08] <linija2> Hi. Anyone know how to fix Win32::GUI:: -style depreciated
[05:12] <dave_> ok so if not "why is KDE better?"
[05:12] <dave_> then "why do YOU use kde instead of GNOME?"
[05:12] <DarthFrog> I likes it, precious. :-)
[05:13] <etrange> hep here
[05:13] <DarthFrog> Other than I can't figure out how to get Kmail to forward an HTML email.
[05:13] <etrange> I have a problem with my kdesu
[05:13] <etrange> my kdeinit don't find the kdesu
[05:14] <etrange> and I have forget the command to have the configurator
[05:14] <etrange> where i can choose the databases
[05:14] <DarthFrog> etrange: either "systemsettings" or "kcontrol".
[05:15] <dr_willis> if i was going to teach a class of secetries how to use openoffice. id let them use gnome. since it would suit their minimal needs. :) for  more flexable ussage - id teach them how to use kde
[05:16] <etrange> they are ok
[05:16] <etrange> but my ksysV are dead
[05:16] <etrange> so
[05:16] <etrange> if U start it
[05:16] <etrange> maybe you will have the configurator I search
[05:16] <etrange> don't close it
[05:17] <etrange> look the command to lanch it
[05:17] <dave_> so KDE has more options? and GNOME is "simpler"?
[05:17] <etrange> yes
[05:17] <DarthFrog> dave_: Simpler and more confining.
[05:18] <etrange> DarthFrog can you see pliiz ?
[05:18] <DarthFrog> dave_: KDE is more for a power user.
[05:18] <dave_> can you give an example or two?
[05:18] <DarthFrog> etrange: Sorry, I don't understand what you are saying.
[05:18] <etrange> steuplais DarthFrog
[05:18] <etrange> tu preffere en francais ?
[05:18] <dr_willis> go look at the file manager for each.
[05:19] <DarthFrog> etrange: Je ne parle pas le francais.
[05:19] <etrange> cool
[05:19] <Jucato> dave_: um.. actually GNOME also has lots of options. but they tend to either hide it or suddenly completely remove some in their next release...
[05:19] <etrange> DarthFrog really or as a joke ?
[05:19] <DarthFrog> Gnome is like HAL in 2001: "Sorry, Dave, I can't allow you to do that."
[05:19] <Jucato> dave_: KDE on the other hand has lots of options exposed, but sort of has a terrible sense of organization :)
[05:19] <etrange> so you have say that in corect french
[05:19] <DarthFrog> etrange: you are not making much sense, sorry.
[05:20] <etrange> ok
[05:20] <etrange> when I lanch my katapult
[05:20] <etrange> I right ksys
[05:20] <etrange> it lanch me ksysV
[05:20] <etrange> but
[05:20] <etrange> kde say to me kdeinit do not find kdesu
[05:21] <pag> etrange, if you want help in Frensh, you might want to join #kubuntu-fr
[05:21] <korobase> !adobe
[05:21] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about adobe - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:21] <korobase> !pdf
[05:21] <ubotu> pdf is the Portable Document Format created by Adobe; viewable in GNU/Linux with xpdf/kpdf/gpdf, evince and also adobe reader (free download, but closed source)
[05:21] <etrange> ^^
[05:21] <DarthFrog> etrange: Hmm, interesting.  I don't use Katapult myself so I don't really know what's happening with you.
[05:21] <etrange> they don't know
[05:22] <etrange> ok my catapult is ok
[05:22] <etrange> lol
[05:22] <korobase> how to install the adobe reader bye apt-get?
[05:22] <ForgeAus> why?
[05:22] <ForgeAus> you don't need adobe reader
[05:22] <ForgeAus> generally
[05:22] <DarthFrog> korobase: apt-get update && apt-get install acroread
[05:22] <ForgeAus> kpdf (or evince genreally do it
[05:22] <ForgeAus> adobe is bloatware
[05:22] <etrange> but my ksysV do not work cauz kdeinit don't find kdesu
[05:22] <nixternal> acroread is gone from Feisty btw
[05:23] <nixternal> !info acroread
[05:23] <ubotu> Package acroread does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[05:23] <nixternal> !info acroread edgy
[05:23] <ubotu> acroread: Adobe Acrobat Reader: Portable Document Format file viewer. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 7.0.9-0.0.ubuntu0.6.10 (edgy), package size 22375 kB, installed size 54700 kB (Only available for i386)
[05:23] <korobase> E: Couldn't find package acroread
[05:23] <DarthFrog> etrange: Does /usr/bin/kdesu exist?
[05:24] <DarthFrog> korobase: Have you installed automatix?
[05:24] <korobase> automatix?
[05:24] <dave_> how do i add a program to the "auto start" list in KE?
[05:24] <dave_> *KDE
[05:24] <DarthFrog> !info automatix
[05:24] <ubotu> Package automatix does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[05:24] <korobase> you mean I must install the automatix first,yes?
[05:24] <LjL> !automatix
[05:24] <ubotu> Automatix2 is a script that tries to install some software, and often fails and breaks systems. We don't provide support for it, and we strongly discourage its use. Problems caused by Automatix are often hard to track and solve, and it might sometimes be easier to !install a fresh copy of Ubuntu. See also !WorksForMe
[05:25] <DarthFrog> korobase: automatix will allow you to install a lot of stuff that Kubuntu doesn't support.
[05:25] <arkanabar> anyone know why GRUB would load when I boot from LiveCD & choose "Boot from main HD" but not when I just boot from main HD?
[05:25] <LjL> and which can easily be installed without using automatix. and even without breaking your system like automatix does if you know what you're doing just a little bit.
[05:26] <DarthFrog> !WorksForMe
[05:26] <ubotu> Common Sense: Just because you can, does not mean you should. Think before you do. "Works for me" does not mean it is ok. The latest version of everything is not always useful if you aim for stability.
[05:26] <korobase> DarthFrog:Do I need add any other source to the source.list?
[05:26] <DarthFrog> :-)
[05:26] <etrange> yes DarthFrog
[05:26] <Timmmm> Hi I'm trying to install kubuntu on an iBook. I downloaded kubuntu-7.04-desktop-powerpc.iso and write it to a disc. However I can't get it to boot from the disc! It always just goes into mac os. I've tried resetting the NVRAM and holding option-C down on startup but it doesn't do anything. Any ideas?
[05:26] <etrange> it exist
[05:26] <DarthFrog> Well, automatix WorksForMe. :-)
[05:26] <LjL> still, please don't recommend it in here.
[05:27] <nixternal> LjL: we need to change the automatix bang to something else, like "DO NOT USE UNLESS YOU WANT BORKAGE"
[05:27] <korobase> Timmmm:May be you can't use the ppc edition.
[05:27] <DarthFrog> etrange: Curious. I have no idea, though, sorry.
[05:28] <nixternal> plus I am still highly pissed they had a huge header on all the pages on their website blaming Kubuntu/Ubuntu for not supporting them...I have no love for them
[05:28] <etrange> DarthFrog can U lanch ksysV ?
[05:28] <Timmmm> korobase: What do you mean? I'm pretty sure it is ppc (it is older than when they announced the intel macs)
[05:28] <etrange> maybe U will have the litle configurator I need
[05:28] <DarthFrog> etrange: How do I do that?  I don't use Katapult.
[05:29] <etrange> lol
[05:29] <bagbiter> uhm if one has an API mismatch caused by nvidia, one had to disable something by editing a file.. but i cant remember what it was. can anyone help me_
[05:29] <etrange> ok I have find the configurator window
[05:29] <korobase> Timmmm:I don't know your computer is whether a ppc or not.
[05:29] <etrange> but ...
[05:29] <etrange> DarthFrog type ksysv
[05:29] <etrange> what I use ?
[05:30] <etrange> linux ?
[05:30] <bagbiter> a way to force the os to use the new drivers instead of the legacy driver or something
[05:30] <mikkael> i get this weird error when i need su permissons: sudo: timestamp too far in the future: May 11 19:18:03 2007
[05:30] <DarthFrog> etrange: Kubuntu is linux, yes.
[05:30] <etrange> lol I know
[05:30] <HymnToLife> mikkael, take a DeLorean ;)
[05:30] <etrange> but kde ask me that
[05:30] <mikkael> back top the future
[05:30] <HymnToLife> mikkael, seroiusly, sudo -k will reset the timestamp
[05:30] <mikkael> thanks
[05:30] <etrange> DarthFrog type ksysv in a terminal
[05:31] <Timmmm> korobase: k, it's an old ibook. Must be powerpc I assume...
[05:31] <etrange> nothing strange ?
[05:31] <DarthFrog> etrange: It didn't ask me for my password.
[05:31] <korobase> Timmmm: Oh.
[05:31] <bagbiter> does anyone know what im talking about_
[05:31] <arkanabar> anyone know why GRUB would load when I boot from LiveCD & choose "Boot from main HD" but not when I just boot from main HD?  or how to fix it?
[05:32] <etrange> a kdeinit aske me if I use linux ... and wich one cauz he need to find kdesu
[05:32] <LjL> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sudo/+bug/76639 <- sudo timestampt
[05:32] <etrange> U cant run ksysvin user ...
[05:32] <DarthFrog> etrange: Yes, I got both those boxes.  I said linux and Debian.
[05:32] <mikkael> ok now to my real problem: how do i add /dev/hda3 as my swap ?
[05:33] <etrange> I say that too
[05:33] <mikkael> at the moment i got no swap
[05:33] <etrange> but it do not work I think
[05:33] <mikkael> i got fstab opened in kdesu kate
[05:33] <etrange> now lanch again ksysv
[05:34] <DarthFrog> mikkael:  in /etc/fstab you need a line "/dev/hda3 swap swap". You need to run "mkswap /dev/hda3" and "swapon -a".
[05:34] <etrange> if U lanch ksysv with katapult a popup error will say you kdesu is forbiden in kdeinit
[05:34] <korobase> arkanabar:Maybe you need to write the grub to MBR.
[05:35] <DarthFrog> etrange: I ran ksysv in a terminal and it now went straight to the editing screen.  How do I use Katapult?
[05:36] <etrange> when I lanch ksysv in a terminal I have the configurator windows
[05:36] <DarthFrog>  etrange: Yes, you're right.  I got the kdesu conversation error.   File a bug on it.
[05:36] <etrange> but in catapul alt + space he say to me kdeinit don't find kdesu
[05:36] <etrange> yes
[05:37] <etrange> I think this is a kde bug
[05:37] <DarthFrog> Hmm, Katapult looks like it might be handy.  Command-line completion in the GUI.  :-)
[05:37] <etrange> but I think the coice can fixe it
[05:37] <Timmmm> korobase: Ooo gentoo to the rescue! You have to hold option-command-o-f at boot and then type boot cd:,\\yaboot    Don't know how I missed it! :P
[05:39] <mikkael> DarthFrog: seems to work, how can i check if things went right ?
[05:39] <bagbiter> please..
[05:39] <icecruncher> how can I purge something and ignore broken dependancies?
[05:40] <DarthFrog> mikkael: run "top" and see if you have any swap.
[05:40] <korobase> Timmmm:Sorry.
[05:40] <bagbiter> someone in here gave me the answer earlier, but unfortunately i forgot..!
[05:40] <DarthFrog> bagbiter: Google is your friend.
[05:40] <bagbiter> yes i know
[05:40] <bagbiter> but im not sure what exactly to search
[05:40] <bagbiter> for.
[05:41] <DarthFrog> bagbiter: Well, I'd start with "nvidia linux troubleshoot" and go from there.
[05:42] <etrange> etc/rcd do not exist
[05:44] <bagbiter> oouf..
[05:44] <bagbiter> i know what to do, but i just dont remember where, and i cant find it
[05:48] <bagbiter> I am going to install nvida-glx-new, i know how to do that, but i know that when i boot afterwards, im gonna get an api mismatch, so im looking for a way to NOT get that.
[05:49] <mikkael> datten, wie kann ich sehen ob das funktioniert hat ?
[05:49] <mikkael> whoops wrong channel
[05:53] <navets> how do i get svideo to work on linux
[05:57] <eean> digg it :) http://digg.com/linux_unix/KDE_4_0_alpha1_Released_Knut
[05:58] <DarthFrog> eean: Has it been released for Kubuntu? :-)
[06:00] <eean> read the article dude
[06:00] <eean> (yes)
[06:03] <DarthFrog> http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-alpha1.php
[06:03] <buz> yeah but the repository url is wrong
[06:04] <aro> What's being done with Konqueror if they have a new file browser?
[06:04] <aro> Can you still use Konqueror
[06:04] <buz> yes
[06:04] <DarthFrog> aro: Yes.  Konq will be the browser.  Dolphin will be the file manager.
[06:04] <DarthFrog> I think you can still use Konq as a file manager, though.
[06:05] <pag> DarthFrog, yes you can, it's just not default
[06:05] <buz> Riddell: the repository url in the announcement doesnt work, deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde4-3.90.1/ feisty main seems more like it
[06:06] <buz> The following packages will be REMOVED:
[06:06] <buz>   apport-qt hwdb-client-kde kubuntu-desktop language-selector-qt libqt4-core libqt4-gui
[06:06] <buz>   libqt4-qt3support libqt4-sql python-qt4 software-properties-kde speedcrunch
[06:06] <buz> that seems kinda broken to me
[06:07] <Skrot-> That might be a side effect of it removing the old qt4-packages
[06:07] <buz> probably
[06:07] <buz> but i dont think this happened for pre alphas
[06:07] <Skrot-> No, but I don't think the tech previews needed a newer Qt version
[06:07] <Skrot-> As in Qt 4.3
[06:07] <buz> point
[06:08] <buz> should hurt much
[06:08] <Jucato> buz: you'd have to ask in #kubuntu-devel but I suggest waiting for a while...
[06:08] <Skrot-> Hopefully Riddell has some input on this
[06:08] <MidMark> !hal
[06:08] <Jucato> some of the devs are in UDS
[06:08] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about hal - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:08] <Jucato> (last day)
[06:08] <buz> ah well i'll lurk in devel
[06:08] <MidMark> known the last hal breakage?
[06:11] <DarthFrog> Does anyone know how to configure kmail so that it will forward HTML email properly?  Right now, forwarding an HTML email sends a blank message.  If I forward it as an attachment, it doesn't strip out the orginating email addresses.
[06:11] <DarthFrog> I'm thinking of giving up on kmail and using thunderbird instead.
[06:13] <alencar> good morning guys
[06:13] <alencar> someone could help me with a nis/nfs problem on kubuntu?
[06:15] <dr_willis> alencar,  and the problem is?
[06:15] <buz> klik
[06:15] <buz> klik.atekon.de
[06:15] <dr_willis> aha!~
[06:15] <icecruncher> X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 169
[06:15] <icecruncher>   Major opcode:  145
[06:15] <icecruncher>   Minor opcode:  3
[06:15] <icecruncher>   Resource id:  0x0
[06:15] <icecruncher> Failed to open device
[06:15] <icecruncher> whatdoes that mean?
[06:16] <dr_willis> icecruncher,  those are just warnings.. about a touchpad
[06:16] <dr_willis> needed for a lot of laptops.
[06:16] <buz> i've come to expect those on notebooks ;)
[06:16] <icecruncher> ah, nothing important?
[06:16] <dr_willis> icecruncher,  trivial. I edit them out on my desktop box's
[06:16] <icecruncher> dr_willis: how to
[06:17] <dr_willis> #1 backup your xorg.conf
[06:17] <dr_willis> #2 - check the forums :)  i know enough about what to edit in the xorg.conf file  so i dont have to.
[06:17] <dr_willis> #3 edit  the xorg.conf file. deleting the proper lines
[06:17] <Jucato> !baddevice
[06:17] <ubotu> If you are receiving an error similar to "X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 168", it can be safely ignored. If you want to get rid of the error messages then please visit this page: http://seerofsouls.com/wiki/How-Tos/BadDeviceErrors
[06:17] <dr_willis> #4 if it dont work.. restore from your backuup :)
[06:18] <icecruncher> Jucato, dr_willis: thnks
[06:18] <dr_willis> i alwys got to tweak my desktops and laptops on every install heh.
[06:18] <Jucato> and of course the easiest way is to ignore them :)
[06:19] <Jucato> the 2nd easiest way is not to launch GUI apps from the terminal unless necessary :)
[06:19] <dr_willis> they get a bit annoying when they show up over and over and over.
[06:19] <dr_willis> Blasphmy! :)
[06:19] <montoya> Hi
[06:20] <montoya> http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-alpha1.php
[06:21] <Jucato> hm?
[06:22] <sorush20> !tork
[06:22] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about tork - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:23] <sorush20> I need help with tork
[06:23] <sorush20> I have made a package and here is the error that I get when I try to install the program
[06:23] <sorush20> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/20343/
[06:24] <jink_> hey hi
[06:24] <jink_> is anybody using stellerium
[06:24] <jink_> ?
[06:24] <sorush20> any ideas
[06:24] <tackat> jink: what's wrong with it?
[06:24] <jink_> its loadin everything but after that is disappers
[06:24] <jink_> as in closes
[06:25] <tackat> do you have openGL ?
[06:25] <jink_> i dont know
[06:25] <jink_> may be not
[06:25] <jink_> how do i install it
[06:25] <tackat> that's probably the reason
[06:25] <tackat> it needs opengl drivers
[06:25] <tackat> what graphics card do you have?
[06:25] <jink_> tackat; can u help me from where will i get that
[06:26] <jink_> i am using intels onboard graphic card of 128Mbs
[06:26] <tackat> hm, I have an intel onboard here as well (945 IIRC)and it works without problems
[06:27] <jink_> k
[06:27] <jink_> i guess im using the same
[06:27] <Bonaldo2000> Does konqueror do something fundamentally different than firefox? Eg. opening LOTS of more connections, because if I try to use it my net dies and I have to reconnect...
[06:27] <jink_> im using laptop
[06:27] <Skrot-> jink_: What does "glxinfo | grep -i direct" in konsole tell you?
[06:27] <tackat> jink_: does celestia work for you?
[06:27] <jink_> no
[06:27] <Bonaldo2000> This ONLY happens if I use konqueror...
[06:27] <jink_> it downst
[06:28] <jink_> no ideaa what it means
[06:28] <tackat> jink_: tell us what glxinfo says :)
[06:28] <jaevel> anyone know of a way to find crash problems with wine->wow? running 7.04?
[06:28] <jink_> ok wait
[06:28] <tackat> jink_: see Skrot-'s command
[06:28] <flake> if i turn off the fan control in my bios, would that be dangerous to my cpu
[06:29] <Skrot-> flake: probably yes
[06:29] <Stromberg> hi. on my thinkpad t20 kubuntu stops when loading up kdm. i just have a blank screen and can do nothing anymore (reboot or CTRL+ALT+F1). can i somehow prevent kubuntu from starting kdm so that i can modify my xorg.conf?
[06:29] <Skrot-> flake: There's a reason why they put fans in computers ;)
[06:29] <jink_> hey it shows yes
[06:29] <flake> lol just wondering
[06:29] <jink_> skort and tackat it shows yes
[06:30] <Skrot-> jink_: Then you've got direct rendering, and OpenGL enabled. Start "glxgears" to see it in action
[06:30] <jink_> yup
[06:30] <jink_> running smooth
[06:30] <buz> flake: generally, turning off fancontrol means your fan will spin fullspeed all the time
[06:30] <flake> ah ty
[06:31] <jink_> so wat do i do now
[06:31] <buz> i still wonder if manually controlling the fan on my thinkpad could hurt it
[06:31] <tackat> jink_: strange then
[06:31] <jink_> SKORT:any idea
[06:31] <buz> i would think 60 is save
[06:31] <jink_> hey pal i gotta go
[06:31] <jink_> can i have ur email id
[06:31] <jink_> if any
[06:31] <tackat> jink_: usually it terminates when there's no openGL
[06:31] <tackat> jink_: so I have no idea anymore
[06:32] <jink_> bye thanks
[06:32] <jink_> a lot
[06:32] <tackat> jink_: did you try
[06:32] <tackat> kstars? :)
[06:32] <tackat> jink: stellarium is beautiful of course but kstars has lots of advantages as well ...
[06:33] <flake> i did an apt-install of kde, it's setting up alot of stuff - thought I already had kde
[06:34] <tackat> well, you never can't have enough KDE ;)
[06:35] <roadfish> I accidently requested that my camera be opened in in a new window when, actually, I wanted it to be opened in digikam. how do I correct this mistake?
[06:35] <roadfish> basically, I don't get that selection popup anymore for my camera.
[06:36] <Stromberg> can i stop kubuntu from launching kdm automatically ?
[06:37] <Stromberg> i need to change my xorg.conf but as soon as kdm gets loaded my whole system freezes
[06:37] <ForgeAus> you can switch to gdm I think
[06:37] <Stromberg> i cant even get a console atm
[06:37] <ForgeAus> you can temporarily use a console instead
[06:37] <Stromberg> how?
[06:37] <ForgeAus> use a recovery mode from grub
[06:37] <ForgeAus> or a live CD if you have one
[06:38] <Stromberg> im gonna try that recovery thing thx
[06:38] <ForgeAus> its console -based tho
[06:38] <ForgeAus> ie no gui
[06:38] <Stromberg> mmmh
[06:38] <Stromberg> i got no recovery mode
[06:38] <Stromberg> theres just one entry
[06:38] <ForgeAus> really?
[06:39] <Stromberg> i can edit the line within grub though
[06:39] <ForgeAus> generally grub has around 3 or 4 entries
[06:39] <korobase> Hi all. Why my vim don't support the highlight fo python or c  program?
[06:39] <ForgeAus> ubuntu (which is actually kubuntu)
[06:39] <Stromberg> it has only one here :/
[06:39] <ForgeAus> ubuntu (recovery mode)
[06:39] <ForgeAus> memtest
[06:39] <Stromberg> can you by chance tell me the kernel line from recovery mode?
[06:39] <ForgeAus> and if you have windowsXP installed a windows option
[06:39] <Stromberg> so which option to add
[06:39] <ForgeAus> or two
[06:39] <korobase> Help me please!!!
[06:40] <ForgeAus> um stromberg I don't know it offhand
[06:40] <cox37777> is there a command to add a directory to samba for root use only?
[06:40] <ForgeAus> but I might be able to find out, probably just take a while
[06:40] <ForgeAus> or ask someone here to check their menu.lst from boot/grub
[06:40] <korobase> How to make the vim support the highlight for programming language?
[06:40] <ForgeAus> (I'm using XP right now)
[06:41] <Stromberg> okie i think i found it. seems one just have to add "single" after the line
[06:41] <ForgeAus> koro I don't know, I didn't even know vim had syntax higlighting in vim
[06:41] <roadfish> korobase: join #vim channel ... they will probably be able to help you better than #kubuntu
[06:41] <Stromberg> fucking Thinkpad T20 hardware glitch here
[06:41] <ForgeAus> probably a nogui option or something
[06:41] <Stromberg> "about 4% of all savage users are affected"
[06:41] <Stromberg> lucky me :/
[06:42] <ForgeAus> actually if you boot and kdm doesn't load can you use control + alt + F keys to switch to TTY mode?
[06:42] <Stromberg> nope
[06:42] <Stromberg> it totally freezes my machine
[06:42] <ForgeAus> ok so you already tried that
[06:43] <roadfish> when new media is inserted, you have that "always do same thing" option. I used that option but now I want the auto-start to do something else. How can I undo the "always do same thing" option?
[06:43] <Stromberg> yay im on console mode :D
[06:43] <Stromberg> the "single" did it. thx for pointing me to it ForgeAus
[06:43] <sorush21> hi can anyone here download http://ubuntu.alborz.uk.com/tork_0.15-1_i386.deb, and install it I keep getting a silly error
[06:43] <ForgeAus> no problem Strom glad to be of help
[06:43] <ForgeAus> hehe cute name tork
[06:44] <sorush21> I made the package myself and wanted to know if it works
[06:44] <sorush21> on other computers.
[06:45] <tol> Hallo, I'm using feisty and whenever i try to shutdown from within kde the system hangs. On edgy it used to work by first doing a logout to kdm and then shutdown from within kde. This does not work anymore because a logout results in a black screen although i can switch to console (i can not do that if i try to shutdown). Anyone has an idea how I could track down the reason for the bug?
[06:45] <tol> btw. direct shutdown from kde didn't work with edgy, too.
[06:46] <kim_> I need help
[06:46] <kim_> With ark
[06:46] <kim_> Anyone?
[06:46] <sorush21> I guess no one managed to install that
[06:47] <kim_> The unility unrar is not in your PATH... i dont remember to fix that
[06:47] <tol> It's somehow related to the ati driver, since it looks like its working with the fglrx driver. But I would like to avoid using the closed source driver.
[06:47] <kim_> Anyone know
[06:48] <tol> kim_ "sudo apt-get install unrar"?
[06:48] <kim_> tol: your tell me
[06:48] <kim_> tol: My first week with kubuntu
[06:48] <tol> ah okay.
[06:49] <kim_> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[06:49] <kim_> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[06:49] <tol> looks like you don't have the application "unrar" installed
[06:49] <kim_> tol: ?
[06:49] <tol> so you need to install unrar
[06:49] <kim_> tol: thats what i did
[06:49] <tol> you can do that with the adept package manager
[06:49] <kim_> tol: ah
[06:49] <sorush21> the response I'm gettting is amazing
[06:50] <tol> or with a command line tool called "apt-get" (that would be the command i posted above)
[06:50] <sorush21> not
[06:50] <kim_> tol: ty, i found unrar-free in adept
[06:50] <tol> okay, let me check a thing kim_
[06:50] <kim_> tol: Still says not in my path
[06:51] <kim_> now
[06:51] <kim_> now apt-get unrar works O_o
[06:51] <kim_> after instlling with adept
[06:51] <rollerskatejamms> Looks like using aptitude resolved my kubuntu-desktop issues.
[06:51] <tol> unrar-free and unrar is not the same application
[06:51] <rollerskatejamms> apt-get couldn't resolve the dependencies but synaptic is properly downgrading the right packages.
[06:51] <kim_> Working
[06:51] <kim_> i dont know how
[06:52] <kim_> but its okey
[06:52] <rollerskatejamms> You want unrar not unrar-free
[06:52] <rollerskatejamms> unrar-free can only unrar old .rar files
[06:52] <kim_> hmm
[06:52] <tol> you installed unrar which is not the same as unrar-free
[06:52] <ForgeAus> sorush I would but I'm running XP right now instead
[06:52] <kim_> the other unrar was nonfree ffs
[06:52] <rollerskatejamms> ForgeAus, eww.
[06:52] <ForgeAus> James, better than vista
[06:52] <rollerskatejamms> ForgeAus, Actually I like vista.
[06:52] <rollerskatejamms> ForgeAus, But I only run Ubuntu.
[06:53] <mikkael> is it possible to repair a windows parition after using sudo mkswap on it (typing error :/)
[06:53] <ForgeAus> what can I say I'm an equal opportunity OS enthusiast
[06:53] <rollerskatejamms> mikkael, yes, download the tool BootitNG and use it to convert the swap partition to ntfs
[06:53] <kim_> I have another problem
[06:53] <kim_> Anyone used recordmydesktop?
[06:53] <tol> which is?
[06:53] <rollerskatejamms> mikkael, Might work might not but its your best shot.
[06:53] <tol> nope
[06:53] <rollerskatejamms> kim_, don't use that
[06:53] <mikkael> rollerskatejamms:  thanks iill give it a try
[06:54] <rollerskatejamms> kim_,  use gtk-recordmydesktop
[06:54] <kim_> rollerskatejamms: i do
[06:54] <tol> mikkael, i hope you didn't use it as a swap partition yet :D
[06:54] <mikkael> is this one in  the repositories ?
[06:54] <kim_> rollerskatejamms: but i cant get the sound working
[06:54] <mikkael> toll: no idea, really ;)
[06:54] <rollerskatejamms> kim_, Ah ok. Well in answer to your question yes, I do. And I also can't get the sound working. But since I don't use sound, I just make pretty compiz videos, that doesn't hurt me.
[06:54] <kim_> rollerskatejamms: and when i record fullscreen, everything laggs, when viewing the encoded movie
[06:54] <rollerskatejamms> Yup, same here.
[06:55] <rollerskatejamms> There's probably some better app out there. But I've never cared enough to look.
[06:55] <kim_> rollerskatejamms: okey
[06:55] <kim_> rollerskatejamms: Hmm... I wanna capture my very nice beryl configuration :D
[06:55] <rollerskatejamms> Hey, does Kubuntu have a built in network manager like gnomes, with the built in WPA support that it now has?
[06:55] <rollerskatejamms> I'm installing kubuntu-desktop on top of Ubuntu right now
[06:56] <DarthFrog> rollerskatejamms: knetworkmanager rocks!
[06:56] <kim_> rollerskatejamms: Used kino?
[06:56] <rollerskatejamms> But which one is built in to kubuntu
[06:56] <rollerskatejamms> i.e. no apt-get
[06:56] <rollerskatejamms> I'm just curious
[06:56] <kim_> rollerskatejamms: I have kino, but i cant get it working eather..
[06:56] <rollerskatejamms> I like kubuntu, but on a laptop, in 6.10, it was a lot easier to use Ubuntu for some reason.
[06:57] <rollerskatejamms> Haven't tried Kubuntu Feisty yet.
[06:57] <kim_> its gr8
[06:57] <kim_> love it
[06:57] <rollerskatejamms> KDE users sometimes tell me that Kubuntu turns a lot of KDE features off.
[06:57] <rollerskatejamms> idk how true that is.
[06:57] <kim_> hm
[06:57] <rollerskatejamms> I wouldn't be surprised though
[06:57] <kim_> yay
[06:57] <rollerskatejamms> I mean look at Xubuntu
[06:58] <rollerskatejamms> it looks nothing like XFCE
[06:58] <rollerskatejamms> it looks like old gnome
[06:58] <kim_> spiderman2 and 3 extrakted! thx guys!
[06:58] <rollerskatejamms> Nothing like a non-customized XFCE anyway
[06:58] <bentob0x> how can I know if the kernel source is installed?
[06:58] <kim_> No, its not working -.-
[07:03] <stefan> hello ..
[07:03] <kim_> whats the nontopic chat called?
[07:03] <Jucato> #kubuntu-offtopic or #ubuntu-offtopic
[07:03] <kim_> ty
[07:03] <Jucato> actually it's in the /topic :D
[07:03] <kim_> .
[07:04] <stefan> any1 has an ideea on how to uninstall ati proprietary drivers ?
[07:05] <dr_willis> apt-get remove that-package-name
[07:05] <stefan> yeah ...
[07:05] <Jucato> stefan: remove the package you installed for it, then run "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" and choose the open source ati driver
[07:05] <stefan> thanks jucato
[07:05] <dr_willis> Kubuntu default kde setup does turn off some kde features/defaults
[07:06] <Jucato> actually you can probably use the Monitor & Display in System Settings
[07:06] <Jucato> instead of reconfigure xserver-xorg
[07:06] <Jucato> dr_willis: referring to which features? :)
[07:06] <TheCreationist> Anyone know of a website or utility that will help me set the optimal brightness/contrast settings on my monitor?
[07:06] <Jucato> (there are quite a few)
[07:06] <stefan> hmmm ... that will rewrite xorg.conf ?!?
[07:06] <Jucato> TheCreationist: nothing in System Settings -> Monitor & Display
[07:07] <Jucato> stefan: it will modify xorg.conf, yes
[07:07] <dr_willis> Jucato,  that kde-first-time-wizard is not there by default, and several of the panel applets, and some of the profiles for the file manager...
[07:07] <TheCreationist> Jucato: I know there's nothign in there, I checked ;)
[07:07] <dr_willis> lets see what else have i noticed..
[07:07] <Jucato> dr_willis: let me give some others? :D
[07:07] <dr_willis> do a clean install then search for 'kde' in the package manager and see.
[07:07] <Jucato> konqueror menus, ark integration, kate as the default text editor, kate launched with --use
[07:07] <Jucato> media:/ to /media
[07:07] <sorush21> where do the user bineries go?
[07:08] <Jucato> sorush21: what do you mean?
[07:08] <TheCreationist> sorush21: /usr/bin maybe? ;)
[07:08] <rollerskatejamms> Hmm ok I'm logged into Kubuntu Feisty for the first time now.
[07:08] <sorush21> where are all the bineries go for the apt source repository packages?
[07:08] <rollerskatejamms> Its pretty nice, but the network manager doesn't have WPA support built in like Ubuntu's does :-(
[07:08] <Jucato> dr_willis: unfortunately, some of the changes Kubuntu has made are hard coded...
[07:09] <dr_willis> Jucato,  yea - id love to see a 'use default vanilla kde' setup option
[07:11] <stefan> sorry ..
[07:11] <stefan> i have no ideea on how to remove the drivers
[07:13] <stefan> :)) ... nevermind ... i fount out ....
[07:13] <stefan> *found
[07:16] <lessel> ciao a tutti
[07:18] <cox37777> would it be poss for someone to give me a hand with samba?
[07:19] <rollerskatejamms> Anybody know how to remove everything a metapackage installed?
[07:20] <mikkael> rollerskatejamms: i cant find a linux version of bootitng
[07:22] <rickysarraf> Does anyone know of a glassy theme for KDE  ?
[07:22] <rickysarraf> Something like http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php/GNOME+Linsta+?content=57730
[07:24] <rollerskatejamms> mikkael, Its not an application you use that way. you burn a boot disc with it
[07:25] <rollerskatejamms> and you edit partitions from that boot disc
[07:25] <mikkael> i see thanks
[07:26] <phoenixbyrd> moo
[07:27] <dr_willis> fortune | cowsay
[07:27] <dr_willis> :)
[07:28] <Sanne> apt-get moo
[07:29] <phoenixbyrd> fortune | cowsay
[07:29] <phoenixbyrd> The program 'cowsay' is currently not installed.  You can install it by typing:
[07:29] <phoenixbyrd> sudo apt-get install cowsay
[07:29] <phoenixbyrd> Make sure you have the 'universe' component enabled
[07:29] <phoenixbyrd> bash: cowsay: command not found
[07:29] <cox37777> is there anyway of editing server files over sftp without having to use command like ssh?
[07:30] <hyper_ch> cox37777: Konqueror has it integrated
[07:30] <hyper_ch> cox37777: use:   fish://user@domain.com
[07:30] <dr_willis> fish: or sftp: cant ya?
[07:31] <cox37777> hyper_ch: i've logged it doing that but i cant edit smb.conf
[07:31] <hyper_ch> cox37777: did you login as root?
[07:31] <Jucato> cox37777: in Kate's Open File dialog, just type in the sftp:/ address there
[07:32] <cox37777> hyper_ch: yup
[07:32] <cox37777> Jucato: ok mate let me look
[07:32] <HarleyQuine> hi everyone. Am having a problem with evolution, it just wont send my messages, tis weird
[07:32] <phoenixbyrd> use gmail
[07:32] <Jucato> hi HarleyQuine. try asking in #ubuntu or #gnome or #evolution
[07:32] <hyper_ch> cox37777: hmm, strange that fish:/ doesn't do it
[07:33] <HarleyQuine> I do use gmail, but I wanna play with this proggie cos it looks good..
[07:33] <stefan> Jucato: i applyed the system settings-> display & monitor thing with no changes ... and indeed it did rewrite xorg.conf ... but then the X did not start
[07:33] <cox37777> samba is treating me like a real ass tonigh
[07:33] <HarleyQuine> thanks will ask in #evolution.. didn't know such a channel existed :)
[07:33] <Jucato> stefan: you can go the command line route
[07:33] <phoenixbyrd> gmail looks better
[07:33] <Jucato> HarleyQuine: might make sense to ask in #ubuntu first though
[07:33] <hyper_ch> phoenixbyrd: looks aren't everything
[07:34] <phoenixbyrd> yes they are, my wife told me so
[07:34] <stefan> well i found a xorg.cong.original file .. and i replaced xorg.conf and now it works ...
[07:34] <cox37777> Jucato: i entered that addres into kate, however when i go save it said permission denied
[07:34] <hyper_ch> phoenixbyrd: ^^
[07:34] <Jucato> phoenixbyrd: using evolution doesn't mean you can't use gmail :)
[07:34] <Jucato> cox37777: hm.. strange
[07:35] <cox37777> Jucato: ive install ubuntu lamp on a machine
[07:35] <cox37777> Jucato: i'm trying to make a folder available on the network
[07:35] <cox37777> what a nightmare haha
[07:39] <ntslab> Sysinfo for 'nts61': Linux 2.6.20-15-generic running KDE 3.5.6, CPU: Intel(R)XeonCPU1.70GHz at 1680 MHz (3361 bogomips), , RAM: 997/1010MB, 124 proc's, 3.38h up
[07:40] <sercik> hi to all people
[07:40] <Ace2016> hi
[07:40] <Ace2016> or you could say hi all
[07:40] <stefan> Jucato: what was the command to reconvigure xorg ?
[07:40] <sercik> and to that guy (i don't remember name) that have help me
[07:40] <stefan> please ;;)
[07:41] <sercik> stefan: yes
[07:41] <Ace2016> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[07:41] <Jucato> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[07:41] <sercik> could you tell me that command of last time print command = lpr -...........................
[07:42] <sercik> do you remember the problem.. i need to print with a printer connected but unsopported in linux
[07:42] <cox37777> can someone give me some advice please
[07:44] <phoenixbyrd> stay in school, don't get married, and never ever have kids
[07:44] <Timsen> lol phoenixbyrd
[07:48] <k0m0d0> hello. I want to install the latest KDE4 alpha1
[07:48] <cox37777> Jucato: would u mind having a look @ this pastebin please mate
[07:48] <cox37777> http://pastebin.ca/483329
[07:48] <cox37777> or anyone lol
[07:49] <k0m0d0> but when I try to update apt-get
[07:49] <k0m0d0> I get this
[07:49] <k0m0d0> Failed to fetch http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde4-3.90.1/./Packages.gz  404 Not F                                                                           ound
[07:58] <CCmonster> is there any internet based fax programs for linux?
[08:05] <harmental> hi everydoby...
[08:05] <harmental> since my upgrade to feisty i've lost automatic internet connection (wifi) at startup....
[08:05] <harmental> i have to do it manually each time.....
[08:05] <harmental> has anyone experienced similar problems???
[08:06] <Chris_Swift> harmental: No, I am not sure if you need to add the wifi to the startup menu
[08:07] <harmental> how do i do that?
[08:07] <Chris_Swift> GNOME or KDE?
[08:07] <USMarine> gnome in channel kubuntu?
[08:07] <harmental> Chris_Swift: KDE
[08:08] <Chris_Swift> I am not sure with KDE but with GNOME you go to System > Preferences > Sessions
[08:08] <Chris_Swift> Maybe it is similar
[08:08] <Chris_Swift> ?
[08:08] <gsuveg> fight!
[08:09] <USMarine> open knetworkmanager
[08:09] <gsuveg> lol. me wear today guadec shirt... :)
[08:09] <USMarine> i think there's a startup checkbox there
[08:09] <harmental> USMarine: done that already......
[08:11] <TheCreationist> Is there a way to preserve my users and passwords when I do a clean install?
[08:12] <Chris_Swift> TheCreationist: I believe there is an import function but I don't know how to sorry
[08:12] <USMarine> TheCreationist dont format /home
[08:13] <TheCreationist> USMarine: No, I do preserve that, but when I do a clean install, I still need to manually setup the users and give them passwords.
[08:13] <USMarine> if in the current instalation it's placed in a different partition than /
[08:13] <USMarine> no
[08:13] <USMarine> that's not needed
[08:13] <USMarine> at least with me
[08:13] <USMarine> everything works the way it did b efore
[08:14] <TheCreationist> USMarine: Then that's my question, because when I do a clean install, I am still the only user on the system.
[08:14] <Chris_Swift> Anyone know of a good music client for Ubuntu?
[08:14] <TheCreationist> Chris_Swift: If you're looking for a good music player, install Amarok - nothing beats it in features and function.
[08:14] <USMarine> Chris_Swift amarok
[08:14] <Chris_Swift> Ok thanks
[08:14] <Graham> Hey, can I resize an NTFS partition from Linux?
[08:14] <TheCreationist> Graham: Yes.  Use GParted.
[08:14] <ninHer> or hasefroch media
[08:14] <ninHer> :-)
[08:15] <USMarine> TheCreationist if you do a clean install and you using the same system username
[08:15] <TheCreationist> !gparted | Graham
[08:15] <USMarine> it should work properly
[08:15] <ubotu> Graham: GParted is is a !GUI partitioning program. Type  sudo apt-get install gparted  in a console to install it - A GParted "live" CD is available at http://gparted.sourceforge.net/livecd.php
[08:15] <TheCreationist> USMarine: Yes, it works for me, but I have 3 other users on my system.
[08:15] <USMarine> !qtparted | graham
[08:15] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about qtparted - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:15] <Graham> I know what gparted is...
[08:15] <USMarine> it will work for them as well
[08:15] <Graham> qtparted doesn't let me.
[08:16] <USMarine> install ntfs-3g
[08:16] <Graham> I have that.
[08:16] <Graham> Wait...
[08:16] <TheCreationist> Graham: You need to unmount the NTFS partition before you can resize it.
[08:16] <Graham> That'll be why.
[08:16] <TheCreationist> :)
[08:16] <TheCreationist> Graham: Until you do that, all partition editing options will be greyed out for that partition.
[08:17] <Chris_Swift> Is there a MSN client that'll display song info in the Status bar for Ubuntu?
[08:17] <TheCreationist> Chris_Swift: You can download a plugin for Kopete that will do that... I'm sure Gaim has a similar plugin as well.
[08:17] <Chris_Swift> I use aMSN though...
[08:18] <TheCreationist> Chris_Swift: I would recommend using Kopete... you can still connect to the MSN network with it, but also connect to AIM, Yahoo, Jabber, etc.
[08:18] <Graham> Still not letting me
[08:18] <TheCreationist> Chris_Swift: But if you just want to use aMSN, I'd do a search for a similar plugin for that.
[08:18] <tatters> s there any reason why changing Desktop resolution in Gnome works without logging out, Yet Kubuntu Desktop resolution changes only if I log out and back in again.
[08:18] <Graham> It IS unmounted.
[08:18] <USMarine> Chris_Swift amarok does that withj kopete
[08:18] <Chris_Swift> Okay, I did like it when I used the KDE thanks
[08:18] <Chris_Swift> not sure ask the pro
[08:18] <Chris_Swift> oh he's left
[08:19] <harmental> USMarine and Chris_Swift more ideas?
[08:19] <Chris_Swift> For the wi-fi?
[08:21] <Chris_Swift> There seems to be a little disruption in music playback in "Movie Player" when I am installing stuff, is that normal?
[08:22] <USMarine> http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/3239/11414004858450iu.gif
[08:22] <USMarine> Chris_Swift that's normal in sucky players
[08:22] <Chris_Swift> Haha ok then
[08:22] <harmental> Chris_Swift: yeap
[08:23] <Chris_Swift> You guys use XChat for IRC or Kopete?
[08:23] <USMarine> xchat
[08:24] <Skrot-> Kopete
[08:24] <USMarine> but don't use what others use
[08:24] <harmental> Kopete
[08:24] <USMarine> use what fits you better
[08:24] <Chris_Swift> Xchat - GNOME version... :p
[08:24] <USMarine> well, i use custom scripts
[08:24] <Skrot-> So do I :)
[08:24] <Chris_Swift> nnscript for mIRC is nice when I'm on XP
[08:25] <Skrot-> Isn't nn kind of bloated?
[08:25] <USMarine> no
[08:25] <Chris_Swift> It's quite nice
[08:25] <USMarine> nnscript pwns
[08:25] <Skrot-> I used it years ago
[08:25] <Chris_Swift> lol yeah!
[08:25] <USMarine> i have to try it under wine
[08:25] <Skrot-> But I just dont need that much functionality from a IRC client..
[08:25] <Chris_Swift> Some people live for IRC though....
[08:25] <USMarine> hmm
[08:26] <USMarine> some people live in iRC
[08:26] <Chris_Swift> not me..
[08:26] <Dinofly> Chris_Swift: Konversation
[08:27] <Chris_Swift> ok, cool, I can't remember that one
[08:27] <Chris_Swift> I think I liked it
[08:28] <manu_> hi
[08:28] <Chris_Swift> Hello
[08:28] <Lynoure> for living on irc irssi is very handy =)
[08:28] <Chris_Swift> irssi? :S
[08:28] <manu_> i installed timidity and kmid, when i start the timidity server he receives data on 128:0 in console i see kmid sends on 20:0 i cant play any midi files, someone can help?
[08:33] <Chris_Swift> !german
[08:33] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[08:33] <JuJuBee> Hi all.  I have a Feisty server using NIS/NFS in my classroom.  My workstations were 6.10. Since I updated one workstation to Feisty, students trying to log into that workstation (only) take a very long time to log in (>10 min).
[08:34] <JuJuBee> Log in on the old workstations is fine.
[08:34] <stanley> guys...i'm trying to get kbfx themes used on my fiesty os
[08:34] <stanley> but nothing changes when i apply the themes
[08:34] <stanley> what do i do??
[08:36] <JuJuBee> Could the older configs be causing problems?
[08:38] <manu_> someone who has expierence with kmid? :(
[08:41] <Chris_Swift> Anyone know for a how to to change from GNOME to KDE?
[08:41] <neverblue> what is the difference between: postgresql-8.2 and postgresql-client-8.2 (when installing tha packages) ?
[08:42] <USMarine> neverblue one is the server?
[08:42] <neverblue> yes, thats a bit obvious
[08:42] <USMarine> why did you ask then?
[08:42] <neverblue> the -server-8.2
[08:42] <neverblue> cause i dont know what postgreql-8.2 is
[08:43] <USMarine> is a server database
[08:43] <USMarine> i mean
[08:43] <USMarine> a database engine
[08:43] <neverblue> so -server-8.2 == postgresql-8.2 ?
[08:43] <Tido> ok
[08:43] <Chris_Swift> Anyone know for a how to to change from GNOME to KDE?
[08:43] <Tido> how do I create a user that has no password
[08:44] <USMarine> Chris_Swift logout and change session
[08:44] <neverblue> Tido, check the ubuntu guide (google it)
[08:44] <Chris_Swift> ok will do, first download KDE :D
[08:44] <USMarine> tido useradd tidoBeta2
[08:44] <Tido> kk
[08:44] <neverblue> USMarine, is that correct?
[08:44] <rbrunhuber> Chris_Swift: You may need to install kubuntu desktop though
[08:44] <Black_Cat> Tido: Login Manager - "allow passwordless login". means they have password, but they don't have to use it
[08:44] <USMarine> Chris_Swift aptitude install kubuntu-desktop
[08:44] <Chris_Swift> thanks
[08:45] <neverblue> is postgresql-8.2 the same as either  postgresql-client-8.2 or  postgresql-server-8.2?
[08:45] <USMarine> read the package details
[08:45] <USMarine> it's written there
[08:45] <neverblue> where?
[08:46] <USMarine> synaptic
[08:46] <neverblue> ah, I see it now
[08:46] <USMarine> at last..
[08:47] <neverblue> is there an admin app like phpmyadmin for it?
[08:47] <Chris_Swift> Anyone know of a good C++ IDE for GNOME or KDE?
[08:47] <neverblue> or i guess ill just use phpmyadmin :(
[08:47] <USMarine> Chris_Swift eclipse
[08:47] <Chris_Swift> Thanks, yet agin
[08:47] <Black_Cat> neverblue, i've heard of pgadmin, try sf.net
[08:47] <rbrunhuber> Chris_Swift : kdevelop or eclipse + cdt
[08:47] <Chris_Swift> *again
[08:48] <neverblue> soundforge?
[08:48] <rbrunhuber> Black_Cat : pdadmin is in the repos
[08:48] <Black_Cat> pgadmin not pdadmin
[08:48] <rbrunhuber> Black_Cat: pgadmin3 is the package name
[08:49] <rbrunhuber> Black_Cat:  http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=pgadmin&searchon=names&subword=1&version=feisty&release=all
[08:49] <Black_Cat> 10x. though i'll never need it ;)
[08:49] <neverblue> nm, I think I got what i need
[08:54] <_Shade_> when i install an inkscape package it's in english. There is a support for my native localized version though. Why?
[08:54] <lettuce> I went to limewire's site and downloaded the ubuntu version and it didn'y work. Is there any other way to install limewire?
[08:54] <crimsun> try frostwire?
[08:56] <shinra> bonsoir all
[08:57] <Chris_Swift> Bonsoir? :s
[08:58] <_Shade_> hey why do i get inkscape package in english when i install it from the repo? There is a localized version but apt-get installs an english one
[08:59] <Black_Cat> shinra, #kubuntu-fr :p
[08:59] <Chris_Swift> !french | shinra
[08:59] <ubotu> shinra: Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[08:59] <Chris_Swift> you meant?
[08:59] <jhutchins> _Shade_: This is probably an inkscape question, not kubuntu, but I would guess that either you need to add the localized files manually, or you need to configure which language it uses.
[08:59] <RawSewage_> Anyone trying out the new KDE 4 Alpha
[08:59] <shinra> @chris swift: i'm living in belgium
[09:00] <jhutchins> _Shade_: They might be able to help you in #inkscape .
[09:00] <ForgeAus> Raw is it good?
[09:00] <_Shade_> jhutchins: ok i will try, thanks
[09:00] <mahjong> Can somebody of you help me, where i can find the "...driver" under system->administration, cant find it under kubuntu
[09:00] <RawSewage> ForgeAus, installing it now
[09:00] <_Shade_> jhutchins: i'm affraid not :)
[09:00] <Chris_Swift> shinra: okay then do you speak French or Dutch/Flemish natively?
[09:00] <RawSewage> http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-alpha1.php
[09:00] <OutoLumo_> Any advice, how do I make a bacport of a package, starting from source?
[09:00] <ForgeAus> ... driver?
[09:00] <mahjong> sorry i dont know how the application is called in german
[09:00] <mahjong> its for binary drivers
[09:00] <_Shade_> jhutchins: there are some developing hot talks out there at the moment :)
[09:01] <mahjong> *called in english
[09:01] <mahjong> i'm from germany
[09:01] <ForgeAus> try google translate or go to #kubuntu-de ???
[09:01] <mahjong> thx
[09:08] <EyeVisions> avond alle, good evening
[09:09] <VSpike> is there any way I can start a kde screensaver from the terminal? Some of the GL screensavers won't start and I'm wondering why
[09:09] <KDEfanboy> anyonne get the 3.90.1 packages of kde4 released today? the apt update still only seems to show the 3.8 version for me (feisty)
[09:10] <EyeVisions> still at 3.5.6
[09:10] <EyeVisions> same problem here VSpike
[09:10] <KDEfanboy> ya i mean kde4 alpha1 from the special repo
[09:10] <EyeVisions> but here they start manualy oke
[09:10] <manu_> i installed timidity and kmid, when i start the timidity server he receives data on 128:0 in console i see kmid sends on 20:0 i cant play any midi files, someone can help?
[09:11] <EyeVisions> only automatic gives prblems
[09:12] <VSpike> EyeVisions: how do you start them manuall?
[09:13] <EyeVisions> where you can pick a screensaver out of the list there you kan tested them also
[09:13] <EyeVisions> there 'sa button for it there
[09:13] <VSpike> EyeVisions: ah OK I wondered if that was what you meant.  Well, they won't start from there either, for me
[09:14] <EyeVisions> you have 3d accelaration ?
[09:14] <VSpike> I had screensaver problems in kubuntu once before and solved them by using xscreensaver
[09:14] <VSpike> EyeVisions: yep
[09:14] <VSpike> EyeVisions: the odd thing is, some work and some dont.
[09:15] <EyeVisions> here it work for a while and then it stops
[09:15] <EyeVisions> a have no idea also VSpike
[09:15] <VSpike> EyeVisions: the ones in the "Open GL Screensavers" sub-tree work, but the top level (GL) ones don't
[09:16] <Arwen> heh, I don't use screensavers :-\ they don't run with Xgl on
[09:16] <EyeVisions> oke Arwen
[09:16] <Arwen> what?
[09:16] <EyeVisions> i like the clock
[09:17] <dthacker> slightly ot:  How can I tell whether an Intel P4 is 64 bit or not?
[09:17] <EyeVisions> then you have no 64 bit a think :)
[09:17] <OutoLumo_> I have similar problem... I don't have XGL on (AFAIK) but none of the screensavers run. there's just black blanc  screen. I wonder if it has to de with me using a laptop.
[09:18] <EyeVisions> OutoLumo_:  i removed the laptop software before that mine screensavers worked automatic
[09:19] <OutoLumo_> Eyevisions, what laptop software?
[09:19] <EyeVisions> batterij enz
[09:20] <VSpike> OutoLumo_: Do you have an ATI card?
[09:20] <OutoLumo_> VSpike, yes, Radeon XPress 1100.
[09:20] <VSpike> OutoLumo_: using fglrx ?
[09:20] <OutoLumo_> VSpike, no, ati.
[09:21] <VSpike> OutoLumo_: oh, ok.  I just couldn't get kde screensaver to work with fglrx
[09:22] <VSpike> OutoLumo_: if you're really stuck, try http://www.jwz.org/xscreensaver/faq.html#kde
[09:22] <bricoh> how can i get my ATI Radeon XPress 200M to funktion 100% ? (with 3D effekts)
[09:22] <OutoLumo_> (Or at least that's what xorg.conf says...)
[09:22] <VSpike> OutoLumo_: downside is, you lose the neat kde integration... upside is, it works
[09:22] <killown> my system kubuntu tilt everytime
[09:24] <Chris_Swift> For Amorak, what decoders do I need for mp3 and wma playback?
[09:24] <bricoh> who can help me with ATI radeon card?
[09:24] <happytiger> I installed a new ubuntu server (feisty) but trying to get mysql support in perl everthing fails...How to clean up the cpan folder and get cleaned put
[09:24] <VSpike> dude got an axe to grind for sure
[09:26] <winmutt>  anyone know how to turn on js debug for konquerer?
[09:26] <EyeVisions> ciao all
[09:27] <donblas__> hello, i've got a stupid fstab question, can anypoint point me to the correct room to ask it in?
[09:35] <tarelerulz> I can't get my radia card to work right with beryle myself
[09:35] <Chris_Swift>  For Amorak, what decoders do I need for mp3 and wma playback?
[09:36] <Skrot-> !codecs
[09:36] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[09:37] <Lynoure> Recently most of the podcasts I'm subscribed with with amarok started showing dublicate entries. What could be the cause?
[09:38] <Admiral_Chicago> you can ask your fstab question in here
[09:38] <maki> where can i find the repos wich i need to put
[09:41] <matusz> in edgy there was an image of dragon in logout/shutdown dialog, which is missing in feisty - how can I get it to show again?
[09:42] <Fahuadai> yeah, i miss the old logout dragon :(
[09:42] <iax> hi
[09:42] <Fahuadai> iax: hey
[09:43] <iax> could i ask for some help to get my ati graphic card to work with kubuntu?
[09:44] <manu_> i installed timidity and kmid, when i start the timidity server he receives data on 128:0 in console i see kmid sends on 20:0 i cant play any midi files, someone can help?
[09:44] <Fahuadai> it is better to ask than to ask to ask....
[09:44] <levi_> Complete newb question here..
[09:44] <iax> well, yes you are right
[09:44] <levi_> any takers
[09:44] <Stormrider> Hello guys. Can someone help me with monitor power saving mode?
[09:45] <Fahuadai> fire away... although i'm kinda new still too.
[09:45] <levi_> I need a walthrough on compiling things, like ndiswrapper.
[09:45] <iax> i have installed the fglrx drivers but i can't get the hardware acceleration to work
[09:45] <levi_> is there one?
[09:51] <Admiral_Chicago> levi_: whats up
[09:52] <Fahuadai> not the blasted broadcom bcm43** i hope.....
[09:52] <Fahuadai> i offically hate broadcom. :@
[09:53] <Fahuadai> Stormrider: what you need? normal power saving mode can be accessed from the system settings -> monitor -> power saving.  (don't think you need admin mode for it either)
[09:55] <alex336> Salut
[09:56] <alex336> Sorry
[09:56] <alex336> Hello :D
[09:57] <alex336> Someone here ?
[09:57] <Fahuadai> hi
[09:58] <alex336> I have an question
[09:58] <alex336> Its possible to chmod an drive ?
[09:59] <crimsun> it really makes no sense to chmod a drive.
[09:59] <alex336> Well
[09:59] <alex336> I have crashed my Windows
[09:59] <alex336> i have 2 drive
[09:59] <Fahuadai> hard drives ?
[09:59] <alex336> Yes
[09:59] <Fahuadai> ntfs i assume?
[10:00] <alex336> On one i got all of my games and the next other i got my Windows/ Linux Installed
[10:00] <alex336> Yes
[10:00] <Fahuadai> (the windows drive)
[10:00] <alex336> But i want to transfert some thing on my another drive
[10:00] <Stormrider> Filesystems?
[10:00] <alex336> but i cant
[10:00] <Fahuadai> windows is dead and you want linux access to the ntfs drive?
[10:00] <alex336> I have access but only in read mode
[10:00] <detto> hey- how do I restart hal?
[10:01] <Fahuadai> try searching adept for ntfs. think there's a program which enables write access iirc
[10:01] <alex336> Or if someone can help me with my problem in Windows but i think is not the place :D
[10:02] <Stormrider> alex336, what You want to do?
[10:02] <alex336> Well
[10:02] <iax> does somebody have an idea, what could cause these screenartifacts?  http://iax.ia.funpic.de/bilder/Bildschirmphoto2.png
[10:03] <alex336> With XP i have partitioned my hard drive with Norton Partition Magic 8.0 and for an radom reason i got 2 error : ymnt2002 and autochk is missing and the PC restart ...
[10:05] <alex336> No one can help me heh ? ...
[10:05] <LjL> !ntfs-3g | alex336
[10:05] <ubotu> alex336: ntfs-3g is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. Installation instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions
[10:05] <alex336> Think :)
[10:05] <LjL> i try
[10:05] <alex336> Thanx
[10:05] <Fahuadai> ah-ha. thought there was a package!
[10:06] <alex336> and apt-get its magic ? :D
[10:06] <LjL> and fiddle some with mount options, i guess
[10:06] <Fahuadai> apt-get ftw :)
[10:06] <Fahuadai> !ftw
[10:06] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ftw - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:06] <Fahuadai> hehehe... #
[10:06] <LjL> keep in mind alex336 that if the NTFS filesystem is corrupted, you won't be able to write to it *or* to repair it
[10:06] <LjL> you need Windows for that
[10:07] <alex336> I know
[10:07] <alex336> I want just to back
[10:08] <SlicerDicer-> can anybody paste /usr/share/xsessions/kde.desktop to http://rafb.net/paste I destroyed mine by mistake by overwriting it :/
[10:08] <matusz> some applets, like kweather and kmoon don't always show tooltips, is there any way to correct this, (I mean make them show always, when I hover mouse cursor over them)?
[10:08] <alex336> what is the name of packtage of ntfs-config ?
[10:10] <logixoul> hi. in feisty, how do I make desktop-switching work like window-switching? as in, make it show a list of desktops? like in vanilla kde?
[10:10] <Fahuadai> ctrl f1
[10:10] <Fahuadai> where f1 is the first desktop, f2 the second etc
[10:11] <logixoul> not what I asked for, but good enough. thx. :)
[10:11] <Fahuadai> alex336: ntfs-3g was the core?
[10:12] <makuseru> hi, i have a problem, i had a HP DVD writer and ive tried diffrent programs and diffrent brands of dvds, but it never burns one correctly, i always get errors, someone said K3B had a problem with HP writers, but ive tried more than just k3b, i dont need anything special for hp writers do i?
[10:13] <Skrot-> Is KMilo configurable?
[10:14] <jonnyro> makuseru: no idea, what errors are you getting?
[10:14] <wolfgyone> hi there
[10:14] <jonnyro> wolfgyone: hello
[10:14] <wolfgyone> where are you from ? I am from luxembourg
[10:14] <jonnyro> US
[10:15] <wolfgyone> kwel
[10:15] <wolfgyone> ;)
[10:15] <wolfgyone> I am new here
[10:15] <wolfgyone> is this IRC the same commands than any IRC channel ?
[10:15] <SlicerDicer-> would any of you mind pasting a configuration for me to http://rafb.net/paste ?
[10:15] <jonnyro> no idea
[10:17] <wolfgyone> <?xml version="1.0" encoding="iso-8859-1"?>
[10:17] <wolfgyone> <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Transitional//EN"
[10:17] <wolfgyone>   "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-transitional.dtd">
[10:17] <wolfgyone> <html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml" xml:lang="en-US" lang="en-US">

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[10:17] <wolfgyone> <link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="/styles/nopaste.css" />
[10:17] <Fahuadai> SlicerDicer: what you need?
[10:17] <jonnyro> how odd
[10:18] <wolfgyone> why ?
[10:18] <SlicerDicer-> Fahuadai: I need /usr/share/xsessions/kde.desktop
[10:18] <SlicerDicer-> I deleted mine like a idiot :)
[10:18] <wolfgyone> slicerdicer
[10:18] <Fahuadai> one sec then
[10:18] <SlicerDicer-> wolfgyone: whats up?
[10:18] <wolfgyone> I want to help you
[10:19] <wolfgyone> therefore I cut and paste the url you have given
[10:19] <wolfgyone> what is your problem exactly
[10:19] <wolfgyone> what do you need
[10:19] <jonnyro> wolfgyone: you will want to use the pastebin
[10:19] <jonnyro> to drop stuff like that
[10:19] <wolfgyone> jonnyro ok sorry
[10:19] <SlicerDicer-> http://rafb.net/paste works
[10:19] <jonnyro> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/
[10:19] <jonnyro> no worries
[10:19] <wolfgyone> I only realize what I did when I see the lines on the chat
[10:20] <Fahuadai> SlicerDicer: http://rafb.net/p/GewLEp99.html
[10:20] <SlicerDicer-> thanks Fahuadai
[10:21] <Fahuadai> no worries
[10:21] <SlicerDicer-> hopefully this works :)
[10:21] <wolfgyone> is anybody knows SCORM standard .
[10:21] <wolfgyone> ?
[10:22] <jonnyro> Sorrry, i have no idea what SCORM is
[10:22] <makuseru> jonnyro:
[10:22] <makuseru> Invalid field in command
[10:22] <makuseru> 	HP DVD Writer 200j (H:0 T:0)
[10:23] <jonnyro> makuseru: so it never actually gets to burning the disc
[10:23] <wolfgyone> SCORM is a standard that is made by adl
[10:23] <jonnyro> makuseru: it terminates before trying to write anything
[10:23] <makuseru> i guess
[10:23] <makuseru> i dont really know whats going on with it
[10:23] <aleksanteri> what's the command to show the nvidia version?
[10:23] <wolfgyone> SCORM is in elearning the standard that dfines the interoperability of SCO's Shareable Component Object
[10:23] <SlicerDicer-> Fahuadai: worked thanks :)
[10:24] <jonnyro> makuseru: if you want me to takea look i can, but i would need to get onto your system.  It's completely understandable if you dont want that
[10:24] <Fahuadai> SlicerDicer: coolio. happy to help.
[10:24] <makuseru> desktop sharing?
[10:24] <msr> moin
[10:24] <jonnyro> makuseru: is HP DVD Writer 200 The model on the box?
[10:24] <jonnyro> or is that what linux is reporting
[10:25] <makuseru> it is the model
[10:25] <msr> ive got a problem
[10:25] <jonnyro> what is the top line from cdrecord -scanbus
[10:25] <msr> my system start is very very long
[10:25] <jonnyro> Mine is as follows:  1,0,0   100) 'TEAC    ' 'DVD+RW DV-W58E  ' 'D.0C' Removable CD-ROM
[10:25] <msr> because ata4 takes very long to time out
[10:25] <msr> how can i fix it???
[10:26] <makuseru> jonnyro: wodim: No such file or directory.
[10:26] <jonnyro> makuseru: what version of ubuntu/kubuntu are you using?
[10:26] <jonnyro> feisty, dapper, edgy?
[10:26] <makuseru> feisty
[10:26] <Jacko2007> how do I change the permissions of my root folder to write for all in feisty
[10:26] <jonnyro> makuseru: what is wodim
[10:26] <makuseru> no clue
[10:26] <alex336> Small question i can pass dapper to Feisty with an upgrade ?
[10:26] <jonnyro> is that your shell?
[10:26] <makuseru> you said first line
[10:27] <jonnyro> sorry
[10:27] <jonnyro> i mean, first line of the listing
[10:27] <msr> pls help me with ata4
[10:27] <Jacko2007> how do I change the permissions of my root folder to write for all in feisty
[10:27] <jonnyro> msr: i would post up in the ubuntu forums
[10:27] <msr> k
[10:27] <jonnyro> msr: definately search for the terms ata4 timeout
[10:27] <msr> thx
[10:27] <iax> hi everyone, I get these screen artifacts with my Radeon X1950 Pro, http://iax.ia.funpic.de/bilder/Bildschirmphoto2.png has anyone got an idea what I could do to get rid of them?
[10:27] <makuseru> jonnyro: oops, should have done it as root, first line is "1,0,0   100) 'ATA     ' 'WDC WD1600JS-00N' '10.0' Disk"
[10:28] <jonnyro> msr: if you dont find a resolution via search, post a question with as much detail as you can.  It's unlikely that via a random sampling of irc users, that someone on here would have the same exact problem.  But the forums have a much larger pool
[10:28] <jonnyro> makuseru: what user account do you use? mine is jonnyro
[10:28] <jonnyro> makuseru: I want you to run: getent group | grep username
[10:28] <makuseru> max
[10:28] <jonnyro> so you would grep max
[10:28] <msr> jonnyro: ok thx very much
[10:28] <jonnyro> post the results on the pastebin
[10:28] <jonnyro> msr: best of luck in your efforts.
[10:29] <Cugel> Guys, what does the 'd' in init.d stand for?
[10:29] <jonnyro> daemon
[10:29] <makuseru> jonnyro: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/20397/
[10:30] <Cugel> Thanks.
[10:30] <jonnyro> makuseru: try ls -l /dev/cdrw
[10:30] <jonnyro> that will output something else, like /dev/cdrw -> scd0
[10:31] <jonnyro> then do ls -l /dev/scd0
[10:31] <jonnyro> or whatever the link is
[10:31] <jonnyro> You are in the cdrom group, which is important, so that's not the problem
[10:31] <jonnyro> i just want to ensure that your devices are properly named
[10:31] <makuseru> Usage: command-not-found [options]  <command-name>
[10:31] <jonnyro> ls -l /dev/cdrw
[10:31] <jonnyro> ls -l /dev/cdrom
[10:32] <jonnyro> (that's a l as in lamb)
[10:32] <makuseru> i just coppied it
[10:32] <jonnyro> i dont think you would, but dont insert the word try
[10:32] <jonnyro> in front
[10:32] <jonnyro> run exactly this: "ls -l /dev/cdrw" without the quotes
[10:32] <makuseru> bash: -l: command not found
[10:32] <jonnyro> this is ODD
[10:33] <jonnyro> what happens when you run ls
[10:33] <jonnyro> by itself
[10:33] <jonnyro> that at least works right?
[10:33] <makuseru> huh?
[10:34] <maki> can someboy give me a link from the official repos
[10:35] <cox37777> does anyone know how to get from desktop version down to server?
[10:36] <maki> just install all the tool you need
[10:37] <jazz_> bsr
[10:38] <really_stupid> I just did something really dumn
[10:38] <maki> me to
[10:38] <really_stupid> with apt manager I requested to remove gcc4
[10:38] <maki> i get solaris free shiping
[10:38] <really_stupid> removed lots of packages
[10:38] <maki> and i install it
[10:38] <disasm> hey everyone, have a weird issue, and I'm not familiar with KDE to resolve it. One of the users on the network here uses kde, and on startup, it launches a bunch of nautilus processes. I logged into KDE using my account, and it didn't do that, where should I look to resolve this? He has dozens of customizations he's made, so he's not very keen on deleting the config files in his homedir, and would much rather fix it without wiping the o
[10:38] <maki> and i deleted /
[10:38] <really_stupid> anyway to undo automaticaly_
[10:39] <really_stupid> ?
[10:40] <Fahuadai> really_stupid: you commited the changes?
[10:40] <really_stupid> I saw that it was removing the packages
[10:41] <really_stupid> so I rebooted
[10:41] <really_stupid> to interrupt it
[10:41] <really_stupid> quite stupid huh?
[10:44] <Reallystupid> simply I was trying to compile a program that had problems being compiled with gcc4 so I thought about removing it with apt manager . I requested to remove it than saw apt removing all my packages
[10:45] <[X] treme-Linux> hi
[10:45] <Reallystupid> didn t know it would take all the programs that depended on it out
[10:45] <[X] treme-Linux> i have installed kde
[10:45] <[X] treme-Linux> but
[10:45] <[X] treme-Linux> when i boot up
[10:45] <[X] treme-Linux> it says kubuntu
[10:45] <[X] treme-Linux> then loads ubuntu
[10:45] <[X] treme-Linux> how do i fix
[10:46] <Reallystupid> Fahuadai?
[10:46] <bonbonthejon> [X] treme-Linux: from the menu, select kubuntu
[10:46] <[X] treme-Linux> which menu ?
[10:46] <Reallystupid> can you help?
[10:46] <Fahuadai> not sure. never done this myself
[10:46] <bonbonthejon> [X] treme-Linux: there should be a menu at the login screen
[10:46] <[X] treme-Linux> ok
[10:46] <[X] treme-Linux> ill have a look
[10:46] <Reallystupid> is there some file that remembers what u have removed
[10:47] <Reallystupid> in order to undo?
[10:47] <Fahuadai> there is probably a log of all the changes made somewhere
[10:47] <Reallystupid> really?
[10:47] <bonbonthejon> Reallystupid: did you use adept or apt-get
[10:47] <OptimusRex> Hi all. Does anyone know where the log file for these chats is stored?
[10:48] <Reallystupid> I can only access by terminal know
[10:48] <Reallystupid> don t get into kde
[10:48] <Reallystupid> adept
[10:48] <Reallystupid> I used adept
[10:49] <bonbonthejon> Reallystupid: well, why not install kubuntu-desktop to get it working again, then install whatever else was removed
[10:49] <Reallystupid> but adept removed asept
[10:49] <cmihai> Hi. I'm trying to get stable (real) transparency  in yakuake 2.7.5 (KDE 3.5.6 in Ubuntu Feisty). Can't get it to stay the same after the first session. Basically on first run, yakuake has real transparency, every other time, it won't. I tried Special Applications Settings - Force too. Any ideas?
[10:49] <Fahuadai> OptimusRex: u using konversation?
[10:49] <bonbonthejon> Reallystupid: "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop"
[10:49] <Reallystupid> Took me a while to be happy with my current installation
[10:49] <Reallystupid> don t want to re install if I don t have to
[10:50] <bonbonthejon> Reallystupid: not reinstall everything, just kubuntu-desktop
[10:50] <Reallystupid> ok
[10:50] <Reallystupid> but then
[10:50] <bonbonthejon> Reallystupid: then you can get in adept and see if it kept a log
[10:50] <makuseru> hi, i have a problem, i had a HP DVD writer and ive tried diffrent programs and diffrent brands of dvds, but it never burns one correctly, i always get errors, someone said K3B had a problem with HP writers, but ive tried more than just k3b, i dont need anything special for hp writers do i?
[10:50] <tux> are there problems with the kubuntu feisty repository for kde4 alpha?
[10:50] <Bonaldo2000> anyone know if it is possible to run photoshop cs or cs2 with wine?
[10:51] <OptimusRex> yes. Using konversation
[10:51] <bonbonthejon> Bonaldo2000: http://blog.publicidadpixelada.com/how-to-adobe-photoshop-cs2-on-ubuntu-10-steps/
[10:51] <Fahuadai> OptimusRex: right click
[10:51] <Fahuadai> on this window
[10:51] <tux> are there problems with the kubuntu feisty repository for kde4 alpha? broken dependencies?
[10:52] <Fahuadai> then open the logfile for this channel
[10:52] <cox37777> anyone know the command to fully remove xubuntu-desktop?v
[10:52] <bonbonthejon> cox37777: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purekde
[10:53] <Daisuke_Ido> tux: as the kde4 snapshots are for developments only, expect things to be broken
[10:53] <bonbonthejon> tux: its alpha so it will likely have problems
[10:53] <tux> I don't have problems
[10:53] <Bonaldo2000> bonbonthejon: I've looked at bit at it. Might give it a try, I wonder if its stable...
[10:53] <cox37777> bonbonthejon: thing is,it was a lamp serer, i installed xubuntu because i didnt know how to do somehing command like now i wanna go back to server
[10:53] <Reallystupid> bonbonthejon  I just took a look from the adept on my live cd and don t see anything that would make me think I would be able to access a logfile
[10:53] <tux> it's just they don't install
[10:53] <Daisuke_Ido> yes, broken.
[10:53] <tux> while the previous pre-alpha worked
the right click gives me the logfile but I would like to go to where it's stored on the machine as I think there are earlier files I would like to access
[10:53] <Daisuke_Ido> that happens
[10:53] <bonbonthejon> Reallystupid: live cd won't have an adept log
[10:54] <tux> they uploaded the packages but didn't check the conflicts imo
[10:54] <bonbonthejon> cox37777: then try "sudo apt-get --purge remove xubuntu-desktop"
[10:54] <tux> I'm not the only one with this issue ;)
[10:54] <Daisuke_Ido> it's not a magic process where every release works magically better than the last, sometimes in alpha, things DON'T WORK.
[10:54] <tux> maybe you didn't understand
[10:54] <Daisuke_Ido> i do, you don't
[10:54] <cox37777> bonbonthejon: let me give it a whirle
[10:54] <tux> the problem is with the repository, not with kde alpha
  Can u check on your Adept if there is one?
[10:54] <Daisuke_Ido> bummer
[10:55] <tux> well I see very helpful people here
[10:55] <bonbonthejon> Reallystupid: the adept for the OS that was installed
[10:55] <Reallystupid> yes I understand
[10:55] <Reallystupid> but
 can u check if adept keeps a logfile
[10:55] <Reallystupid> for me
[10:55] <ivan> hep
[10:56] <ivan> hello
[10:56] <tux> check the ubuntu forums and look how many people can't install it, why not admit they made some mistakes with the repository?
[10:56] <ivan> i first connection with IRC
[10:56] <ivan> i am italian
[10:57] <Fahuadai> ivan: congrats. all your free time r belong to IRC now....
[10:57] <ivan> thank's
[10:57] <bonbonthejon> Reallystupid: adept only keeps track of stuff you've done while its open
[10:57] <Reallystupid> s**t
[10:58] <Daisuke_Ido> okay, so they made a mistake with the repo
[10:58] <logixoul> hi. can the "Disk & Filesystems" module in feisty be used to resize partitions?
[10:58] <Daisuke_Ido> this isn't a channel full of admins that can go in and fix the repo, there's almost nothing we can do at all about the repo problem
 A warning would have been nice
[10:59] <Daisuke_Ido> no, wait, i take that back, there's EXACTLY nothing we can do about the repo problem
[10:59] <tux> I emailed jriddell
[10:59] <Daisuke_Ido> there you go
[10:59] <makuseru> hi, i have a problem, i had a HP DVD writer and ive tried diffrent programs and diffrent brands of dvds, but it never burns one correctly, i always get errors, someone said K3B had a problem with HP writers, but ive tried more than just k3b, i dont need anything special for hp writers do i?
[10:59] <Fahuadai> Reallystupid: my fault for assuming there would be sorry
 Something like look you re about to diinstall 100 s of packages type yes to contine
[11:00] <ivan> i going sleep
[11:00] <ivan> goodnight
[11:01] <Reallystupid> last desperate try : anyone know how I can undo the removeal of pakages with ADEPT or find a logfile teling me the packages I removed?
[11:03] <_buz> i suggest you reinstall kubuntu-desktop
[11:03] <_buz> that should install everything you need for kubuntu to run
[11:04] <Reallyreallystup> I ll try that
[11:04] <Reallyreallystup> thanks
[11:05] <Reallyreallystup> well wish me luck... thanks to all
[11:05] <_buz> Reallyreallystup: can you still start adept?
[11:05] <Reallyreallystup> no
[11:05] <_buz> if not use sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop on the console
[11:05] <Reallyreallystup> Just terminal after the rebbot
[11:05] <Reallyreallystup> reboot
[11:06] <_buz> yeah the above will work in terminal
[11:06] <Reallyreallystup> the desktop doesn t start up
[11:06] <Sleepy_Coder> sudo reboot
[11:06] <Sleepy_Coder> :p
[11:06] <Reallyreallystup> so I ll try
[11:06] <Reallyreallystup> bye!
[11:06] <Sleepy_Coder> bai bai. :D
[11:07] <Sleepy_Coder> Was thinking either "halt", "poweroff", "powerdown", "reboot" or something like that..
[11:07] <Sleepy_Coder> But I can't find one. :<
[11:07] <Sleepy_Coder> I hate Windoze.. :<
[11:07] <Sleepy_Coder> Nothing makes sense.
[11:08] <_buz> there is
[11:08] <_buz> but i cant remember
[11:08] <Sleepy_Coder> hehehe
[11:08] <fribuntu> Hi all
[11:08] <logixoul> how do I easily resize a partition in feisty?
[11:09] <Sleepy_Coder> logixoul:  Use the app, "gparted".
[11:09] <fribuntu> I have a problem installing the new NVIDIA beta driver to support my GForce 8500GT card.
[11:09] <fribuntu> Whenever I switch to console mode to install, all I get is a blank screen.
[11:09] <fribuntu> Kubuntu does some font magic that seems to be incompatible with plain text mode of the 8500
[11:10] <logixoul> Sleepy_Coder: ok, since QTParted didn't work for me, I guess I'll try the gnome equivalent. thanks.
[11:10] <fribuntu> any hints how to keep the font to the standard built in ones are welcome.
[11:10] <Sleepy_Coder> logixoul: Hope that works. :)  Good luck.
[11:10] <supert0nes> Why doe the ati drivers work so much better when installing kubuntu on top of ubuntu instead of just kubuntu... Once they dont work on my mobility 9700 nothing gets rid of that damn mesa 3d problem i know this problem must get worked over wayy too much here but i need the best guide you guys know of to fix my problems
[11:10] <logixoul> :)
[11:11] <Sleepy_Coder> Last time I only got a restraining order... :<
[11:11] <Sleepy_Coder> BOO!
[11:11] <fribuntu> I already tried commenting out all font settings in the /etc/console-tools/config file.
[11:11] <Sleepy_Coder> 0.o
[11:11] <Sleepy_Coder> That sounds dangerous...
[11:13] <logixoul> Sleepy_Coder: the best way to resize the current root partition is to boot live into the kubuntu CD and use gparted from there, right?
[11:14] <Sleepy_Coder> Yes. :)
[11:14] <logixoul> k
[11:14] <soop> http://www.soop.ca/media/miscimagespostedtoforums/compmenu.jpg
[11:14] <t3hfr3ak> i sudo apt-get beryl... now how do i enable it?
[11:14] <soop> anyone know how I can edit that menu?
[11:14] <Sleepy_Coder> It lets your hard drive be mount'ed/umount'ed if you're using the disk. :)
[11:15] <Sleepy_Coder> t3hfr3ak: Try beryl or beryl-manager from the terminal. :)
[11:15] <soop> http://www.soop.ca/media/miscimagespostedtoforums/compmenu.jpg
[11:15] <t3hfr3ak> sleepy_Coder: As soon as im done getting aMSN i will :)
[11:15] <Sleepy_Coder> Might also want to sudo apt-get install beryl-manager/emerald/emerald-themes
[11:15] <Sleepy_Coder> Okey dokie. :)
[11:15] <t3hfr3ak> ah it worked :)
[11:15] <Sleepy_Coder> *kidding* :)
[11:16] <t3hfr3ak> will it automatically run when ubuntu starts?
[11:16] <supert0nes> ati drivers are hopeless for me and my 9700 on kubuntu then?
[11:16] <Sleepy_Coder> Umm, try going to.....either the System Menu>Preferences>Sessions and add in the command to the startup applications.
[11:16] <Sleepy_Coder> It's in the System Menu...I know that.
[11:16] <t3hfr3ak> uhoh
[11:16] <Sleepy_Coder> 0.o
[11:17] <Sleepy_Coder> Eww....Konversation. :<
[11:17] <t3hfr3ak> it put the windows title bars in direct top lol
[11:17] <Sleepy_Coder> ahaha
[11:18] <Sleepy_Coder> t3hfr3ak: You want to add in "beryl-manager" as a startup command in the startup applications.  You do that in "Sessions" if I remember correctly.
[11:18] <Sleepy_Coder> That should start it up at login.
[11:18] <t3hfr3ak> ok i have another problem... when i closed terminal... beryl stopped working and i lost title bars and ability to type
[11:18] <Sleepy_Coder> Yes, that's because you terminated beryl. :)
[11:18] <Sleepy_Coder> It wasn't running as a background process.
[11:18] <t3hfr3ak> how do i have it running backgrounf?
[11:19] <Sleepy_Coder> Put it in the startup apps. :)
[11:19] <Sleepy_Coder> In Sessions.
[11:19] <Sleepy_Coder> It will makes it startup at login and it will stay running.
[11:20] <premier_> I updated to fiesty when it came out a few weeks ago.  I haven't seen the update manager telling me to update since then.  Should I worry?
[11:21] <starhawk> Hi i have set up amule on kubuntu I have downloaded several movies i cant seem to veiw them any help with this I am new to using amule
[11:21] <Sleepy_Coder> premier_:  you could try running the update manager or sudo apt-get update
[11:22] <Sleepy_Coder> ahhaa, I just realized why so many people are using Konversation. :)
[11:22] <Sleepy_Coder> I'm kind of slow at recognizing channel names. :)
[11:22] <etrange>  /msg NickServ IDENTIFY tatapine
[11:22] <Sleepy_Coder> umm...
[11:23] <t3hfr3ak> ok what do I add to sessions?
[11:23] <etrange>  /msg NickServ IDENTIFY tatapine
[11:23] <etrange> arg
[11:23] <etrange> lol
[11:23] <t3hfr3ak> etrange; like go of control before pressing enter
[11:23] <sunnypies> question:  I just installed mtpaint   i can load by typing mtpain in terminal, how do i put an icon of it in the Applications list???
[11:23] <Sleepy_Coder> You might want to change your password, etrange.
[11:23] <etrange> some one want to play :)
[11:23] <t3hfr3ak> let go of*
[11:23] <etrange> we will play :D
[11:23] <logixoul> tatapine? heh
[11:24] <Sleepy_Coder> 0.o
[11:24] <premier_> I ran adept, and it said "there was an error downloading updates"
[11:24] <Sleepy_Coder> etrange:  /ns set password <PUT_SOMETHING_NEW_HERE>
[11:24] <Sleepy_Coder> And do it in the status window so we don't see it, okay?
[11:26] <premier_> apt-get says "E: Could not get lock /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)"  how do I figure out whats blocking it?  I closed adept
[11:27] <etrange>  /msg NickServ set password tataloulou
[11:27] <etrange> arf
[11:27] <Sleepy_Coder> ....
[11:27] <etrange> :'
[11:27] <Sleepy_Coder> etrange. :<
[11:28] <Sleepy_Coder> Do it in a window or channel with no people, and try a different pass. :<
[11:28] <etrange> an idiot have scrap my script
[11:28] <etrange> :) I hate that
[11:28] <Sleepy_Coder> :<
[11:28] <Sleepy_Coder> Your passwords are funny. :)
[11:28] <etrange> sure lol
[11:29] <etrange> they have to if I want to remember them
[11:29] <Sleepy_Coder> Should change your nick to estranged. :p
[11:29] <etrange>  /msg NickServ identify tataloulou
[11:29] <Sleepy_Coder> :<:<:<:<
[11:29] <etrange> arg
[11:29] <etrange> HAAAAAAA
[11:29] <SlicerDicer-> OMG etrange
[11:29] <SlicerDicer-> thats funny
[11:29] <etrange> nooooooooooo
[11:29] <etrange> HAAAAAAA
[11:29] <etrange> !
[11:29] <SlicerDicer-> ghost him out BWA HA HA ;-)
[11:30] <SlicerDicer-> seriously etrange that was funny :)
[11:30] <etrange> :p
[11:30] <Sleepy_Coder> At least you're in a channel where the users respect you.  If we were on another one you would have been killed in seconds. :)
[11:30] <etrange> noway
[11:30] <etrange> ghost your string
[11:30] <etrange> nooowaaay
[11:30] <etrange> :p
[11:31] <Sleepy_Coder> Good job, etrange. :)
[11:31] <SlicerDicer-> thats why I manually enter the nickserv all the time I never let any scriptoid do it :)
[11:31] <Sleepy_Coder> You got your pass changed. :)
[11:31] <etrange> not yes ;)
[11:31] <etrange> but soon :D
[11:31] <etrange> net*
[11:31] <etrange> arG
[11:31] <etrange> yet
[11:31] <Sleepy_Coder> lol
[11:31] <etrange> pfff
[11:31] <etrange> stupid language
[11:32] <Sleepy_Coder> Do you usually speak Swahili?
[11:32] <Sleepy_Coder> :)
[11:32] <SlicerDicer-> lol
[11:32] <etrange> swawhat ?
[11:32] <etrange> no
[11:32] <Sleepy_Coder> I think it's an African language. :)
[11:32] <etrange> mmm
[11:32] <etrange> yes it is
[11:32] <Sleepy_Coder> Sounds really funkeh too.
[11:33] <etrange> Im fr
[11:33] <premier_> what happens if you kill apt-get?  I have an apt-get process running, preventing me from installing updates, and I can't figure out what its doing
[11:33] <SlicerDicer-> premier_: errr...
[11:33] <Sleepy_Coder> premier_:  How do you know one is running?
[11:33] <Sleepy_Coder> It could be synaptic or the update manager. :)
[11:33] <SlicerDicer-> yeah
[11:34] <Sleepy_Coder> If it gives you some error like..."Cannot lock directory so-and-so, perhaps another process is using it?"
[11:34] <Sleepy_Coder> I can't remember the correct error message. :<
[11:34] <etrange> premier bush
[11:34] <etrange> ^^
[11:34] <nabz> hey, im having a little trouble with Beryl, when i start it, it goes white and i cannot do anything which forces me to reboot :( (new to linux) lol
[11:34] <Sleepy_Coder> I hate not hitting any problems. :<  Nothing to play with.
[11:35] <premier_> Sleepy_Coder: its on my processes table
[11:35] <SlicerDicer-> Sleepy_Coder: your not trying hard enough
[11:35] <Sleepy_Coder> SlicerDicer-: I'll try putting my hard drive in the microwave. :p
[11:35] <SlicerDicer-> Sleepy_Coder: honestly I do not run into many problems running alpha stuff
[11:35] <Sleepy_Coder> premier_:  You could try rebooting. :)  Or just killing the process...
[11:35] <premier_> nabz: white screen of death.  You have to do "beryl --use-copy"
[11:35] <SlicerDicer-> so its understandable
[11:35] <nabz> in the termanal?
[11:36] <Sleepy_Coder> SlicerDicer-: I run into problems running Windows. :)
[11:36] <Sleepy_Coder> But I do not run Windows very often so...
[11:36] <Sleepy_Coder> hehehe
[11:36] <SlicerDicer-> well of course thats not even alpha thats like umm shat
[11:36] <premier_> nabz: yeah
[11:36] <Sleepy_Coder> lol
[11:36] <premier_> pre alpha?
[11:36] <Sleepy_Coder> premier_:  Just try killing it. :)
[11:37] <makuseru> hi, i have a problem, i had a HP DVD writer and ive tried diffrent programs and diffrent brands of dvds, but it never burns one correctly, i always get errors, someone said K3B had a problem with HP writers, but ive tried more than just k3b, i dont need anything special for hp writers do i?
[11:37] <premier_> insufficient premisions... (when ever I ran it I geuss i ran it in root)
[11:37] <Sleepy_Coder> sudo killall apt-get  ?
[11:37] <Sleepy_Coder> sudo kill -9 <pid>
[11:37] <SlicerDicer-> makuseru: bogus information I run HP DVD Writer without issue and can even use lightscribe
[11:38] <premier_> 7?
[11:38] <etrange> who can give me a ipmask ?
[11:38] <etrange> plizz
[11:38] <Sleepy_Coder> Ack, I have to go. :<
[11:38] <Sleepy_Coder> Later all...
[11:38] <Sleepy_Coder> Good luck with your problem, premier_. :)
[11:38] <makuseru> SlicerDicer-: i dont care what you can do, I need help so I CAN burn a dvd
[11:38] <nabz> i cant see a thing now :Z not even what im writyping. berly messed up :S
[11:38] <SlicerDicer-> makuseru: it might be that your burner is not getting the power it needs... or you have a metric ton of bad disks "unlikely" or just a bad burner
[11:38] <SlicerDicer-> there is a load of problems
[11:38] <SlicerDicer-> check dmesg output see if there is any I/O errors
[11:39] <dogatemycomputer> SlicerDicer-: what is the model information of your writer?
[11:39] <t3hfr3ak> well i got beryl working
[11:39] <makuseru> SlicerDicer-: i can burn CDs fine, but not DVDs
[11:40] <t3hfr3ak> is there any better MSN rip offs for linux
[11:41] <nabz_> Wow, beryl messed up, when really weird and i couldnt seee anything, any ideas?
[11:41] <dogatemycomputer> makuseru: sorry.. what is the model information of your writer?  Did you check the event log to see if there was a problem detecting the drive?
[11:41] <logixoul> t3hfr3ak: kopete
[11:41] <wheatie> t3hfr3ak, try amsn or kopete
[11:41] <urmas> hi yall
[11:41] <t3hfr3ak> weatie: im using aMSN now lol
[11:41] <t3hfr3ak> it sucks lol
[11:41] <dogatemycomputer> t3hfr3ak: kopete is pretty good..
[11:41] <reya276> hello, I'm having some issues with Compiz, the effects won't run
[11:42] <urmas> I SAYD "HI YALL" YOU FUCKERS
[11:42] <NabZ> Any ideas about beryl going weird?
[11:42] <dogatemycomputer> !language
[11:42] <ubotu> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[11:42] <makuseru> dogatemycomputer: its a HP dvd200i and the error it says is "Invalid field in command HP DVD Writer 200j (H:0 T:0)"
[11:42] <urmas> FAMILY FRIENDLY MY A*SS
[11:42] <nicon-> Hi all
[11:42] <urmas> HI
[11:42] <urmas> how R You ?
[11:42] <nicon-> I got little problem :/
[11:42] <nicon-> urmas: badly ;/
[11:43] <makuseru> !language | urmas
[11:43] <ubotu> urmas: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[11:43] <urmas> what kind a prob?
[11:43] <nicon-> My kwrite + gedir don't work ;/
[11:43] <nicon-> gedit*
[11:43] <nicon-> My error:
[11:43] <nicon-> root@nicon-ubuntu:/home/nicon/irclogs/lubin# gedit
[11:43] <nicon-> Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
[11:43] <nicon-> Xlib: No protocol specified
[11:43] <nicon-> cannot open display:
[11:43] <nicon-> Run 'gedit --help' to see a full list of available command line options.
[11:43] <nicon-> Any idea?
[11:44] <urmas> sorry, i cant help you, its my first day to use any kind of linux:)
[11:44] <nicon-> urmas: hehe, ok, thx
[11:44] <nicon-> any pr0 here? xD
[11:44] <urmas> sorry, dude
[11:44] <nicon-> urmas: np
[11:45] <Dinofly> nicon-: xhost +
[11:45] <nicon-> Dinofly: same :/
[11:45] <SlicerDicer-> dogatemycomputer: hpdvd 740
[11:46] <nicon-> Dinofly: same error ;/
[11:46] <Dinofly> did you type "xhost +" and then retype "gedit" ?
[11:46] <dogatemycomputer> makuseru: sorry.. i was interupted..
[11:46] <nicon-> I'm getting mad, it's problematic to edit all files by kate ;/
[11:46] <makuseru> no prob
[11:46] <dogatemycomputer> makuseru: i'm reading.. let me look around..
[11:46] <makuseru> k
[11:46] <bonbonthejon> nicon-: whats the problem
[11:47] <SlicerDicer-> makuseru: I did have a burner that could burn cd's but not dvd's it burned coasters repeatedly then died flatout just a warning.. you could always run growisofs manually and create a dvd and see what happens
[11:47] <urmas> i got this stupid question, like, how can I chance this menu bar, whats below everything? windows op calls it start menu bar or smth...
[11:47] <SlicerDicer-> makuseru: usually running growisofs gives you a bit more of a error message
[11:47] <urmas> i hope you understood
[11:47] <nicon-> bonbonthejon: when i'm trying use kwrite/gedit i c error like that:
[11:47] <nicon-> root@nicon-ubuntu:/home/nicon/irclogs/lubin# gedit
[11:47] <nicon-> Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
[11:47] <nicon-> Xlib: No protocol specified
[11:47] <nicon-> cannot open display:
[11:47] <nicon-> Run 'gedit --help' to see a full list of available command line options.
[11:47] <nicon-> root@nicon-ubuntu:/home/nicon/irclogs/lubin#
[11:47] <bonbonthejon> urmas: right click on the k
[11:47] <makuseru> nicon- use pastebin
[11:47] <nicon-> Any idea to repair it?
[11:48] <SlicerDicer-> dogatemycomputer: why you ask what model I have?
[11:48] <nicon-> makuseru: pastebin? <:
[11:48] <nicon-> wtf?
[11:48] <nicon-> q;
[11:48] <nicon-> I'm newbie, sry
[11:48] <Dinofly> you should not login as root nicon-
[11:48] <bonbonthejon> nicon-: you should use sudo instead of logging in as root
[11:48] <nicon-> Dinofly: it's the same as normal use
[11:48] <nicon-> user*
[11:48] <makuseru> !pastebin | nicon-
[11:48] <ubotu> nicon-: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[11:48] <dogatemycomputer> SlicerDicer-: sorry.. the question was actually directed at makuseru
[11:48] <SlicerDicer-> bonbonthejon: sudo -s ftw :)
[11:48] <nicon-> bonbonthejon: i got the same in sudo :/
[11:48] <SlicerDicer-> ahh ok dogatemycomputer
[11:48] <bonbonthejon> nicon-: that is a bad idea, to use root as your normal user
[11:49] <urmas> Thanks
[11:49] <nicon-> bonbonthejon: it's not my normal user
[11:49] <nicon-> I mean, that i got the same problem as root, and normal user
[11:49] <makuseru> dogatemycomputer: how do i use growisofs
[11:49] <bonbonthejon> nicon-: how about hitting alt-f2, then run it that way
[11:50] <bonbonthejon> nicon-: what have you changed recently
[11:50] <nicon-> bonbonthejon: in that way it's working
[11:50] <nicon-> But in windows, i want in shell
[11:50] <nicon-> bonbonthejon: it's like that from time of install ubuntu 7.04
[11:50] <urmas> sorry, i cant help it to ask, but where You guys from ?
[11:50] <nicon-> To this time
[11:51] <urmas> :)
[11:51] <nicon-> So much programs compiled
[11:51] <Dinofly> nicon-, when typing "xhost +" it should answer "access control disabled, clients can connect from any host"
[11:51] <nosrednaekim> hello everyone. I have a problem with beryl and And Nvidia geforce4 . Yes, I am using the correct drivers. what happens is that periodically, some windows come up black (ussualy "open file" dialogs) In addition, the burn rain and snow effects do not work.
[11:51] <nicon-> Dinofly: when i type xhost + i c same error like in gedit/kwrite :/
[11:52] <makuseru> nosrednaekim: try to ask in #beryl they can help
[11:52] <nosrednaekim> ok.. thanks
[11:52] <dogatemycomputer> makuseru: no idea..  that's next on my list of things to lookup..
[11:52] <Lamington> Hello to all
[11:52] <urmas> hi
[11:52] <dogatemycomputer> makuseru: i'm a newbie myself.. so I look for problems and spend alot of time reading..
[11:52] <dogatemycomputer> makuseru: maybe i'll get lucky and find a solution for you :)
[11:52] <nicon-> any idea? ;/
[11:52] <nicon-> It's really anoying to edit all files by kate ;/
[11:52] <nicon-> I need it in ssh
[11:53] <nicon-> So pls 4 help
[11:53] <urmas> #lamington hi
[11:53] <Lamington> I'm getting an error which pops up at various times, including when I update with Adept... Wondering if someone can help me understand it and perhaps do something about it
[11:53] <Lamington> It doesnt seem to be affecting my system
[11:53] <Dinofly> nicon- you are using ssh ? okayyyy!
[11:53] <nicon-> Dinofly: <:
[11:53] <nicon-> Yes, i'm using ssh
[11:53] <nicon-> So?
[11:53] <Dinofly> then better type "ssh -X yourhost" to connect to your server
[11:54] <nicon-> What it is this -X atribut?
[11:54] <Dinofly> it makes the X applications open on your own X server
[11:54] <drkns> hello fellas
[11:54] <Lamington> X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 169
[11:54] <Lamington>   Major opcode:  147
[11:54] <Lamington>   Minor opcode:  3
[11:54] <Lamington>   Resource id:  0x0
[11:54] <Lamington> hello drkns
[11:55] <makuseru> hi, i have a problem, i had a HP DVD writer and ive tried diffrent programs and diffrent brands of dvds, but it never burns one correctly, i always get errors, someone said K3B had a problem with HP writers, but ive tried more than just k3b, i dont need anything special for hp writers do i?
[11:55] <dogatemycomputer> makuseru: the problem your describing is documented and has an impotance of "medium".   The only solution so far is to swap out the drive.
[11:55] <drkns> i managed to get my wireless card working however my rate is around 18mbit/sec even though my AP and my card is 54g
[11:55] <dogatemycomputer> makuseru: or wait for a solution..
[11:55] <nicon-> Dinofly: but have U any idea to repair that gedit?
[11:55] <nicon-> Or kwrite?
[11:55] <drkns> how can i make it work at full speed
[11:56] <drkns> or nano
[11:56] <scanman> trk var m
[11:56] <drkns> scanman ben turkum
[11:56] <Dinofly> it is not something you can "repair", it is not a bug! you are using a graphical application with a command line ssh, without this "-X" it can not work
[11:56] <scanman> ok iyi valla sorum olacak kde-look sitesinden tema indirdim ama kuramyorum
[11:57] <nicon-> Dinofly: i don't mean that i use it only in shell
[11:57] <drkns> temanin cok cesidi var nedir ismi bende bir bakayim
[11:57] <HarleyQuine> I've tried everything I can and my ubuntu just can't seem to send email
[11:57] <nicon-> When i type -x it don't work 2 ):
[11:57] <BluesKaj> makuseru, I have an HP dvd burner and it runs with no issues... just to let you know that it may be the burning software not the hardware
[11:57] <scanman> http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php/show.php?content=55497&vote=good&tan=61016323
[11:57] <Dinofly> nicon-: running "kate" in command line on your local machine should not be a problem, is it ?
[11:57] <scanman> bunu kurmak istiyorum
[11:58] <Lamington> HarleyQuine:  ubuntu or kubuntu ?
[11:58] <nicon-> Dinofly: but it's anoying to run kate ;/
[11:58] <makuseru> BluesKaj: ive tried sevral programs
[11:58] <BluesKaj> no Dinofly
[11:58] <HarleyQuine> I guess ubuntu.. wrong channel again huh?
[11:58] <nicon-> Dinofly: kate in terminal don't work too xD
[11:58] <Lamington> HarleyQuine: yea :P
[11:58] <nicon-> It works only at windows >:
[11:58] <HarleyQuine> sorry.. konversation opens this one automatically
[11:58] <BluesKaj> makuseru, what kind of media files are you trying to burn?
[11:58] <Dinofly> nicon-: what are you calling "windows" ?
[11:59] <drkns> hocam simdi bana soyle nasil yuklemeye calisiyorsun bu temayi?
[11:59] <nicon-> windows, not in txt, but at windows
[11:59] <nicon-> not in terminal
[11:59] <Lamington> HarleyQuine: I can help with Kmail (Kontact) but I dont use anything else
[11:59] <makuseru> BluesKaj: video dvd
[11:59] <nicon-> Not windows OS, lol
[11:59] <Dinofly> nicon-: let's call it "graphical mode" ;)
[11:59] <drkns> nicon try nano it works on terminal when kate fails
[11:59] <BluesKaj> copying from dvd ?
[11:59] <nicon-> Dinofly: k
[11:59] <makuseru> BluesKaj: no
[11:59] <scanman> valla bir a yol denedim kcontrol merkezinde denedim ve karamba diye bir program ile denedim
[11:59] <scanman> yapamadm
[11:59] <nicon-> drkns: right, nano's working, thx (:
[12:00] <BluesKaj> !cz
[12:00] <ubotu> esk uivatele dme, aby mluvili v kanle #ubuntu anglicky. esky je mono se domluvit v #ubuntu-cz. Dkujeme.
[12:00] <nicon-> !pl
[12:00] <ubotu> Mozesz uzyskac pomoc w jezyku polskim na #ubuntu-pl
[12:00] <nicon-> Mhm q;
[12:00] <Dinofly> nicon-: correct me if i'm wrong: you can launch kate without problems using the KDE menu and the alt-f2 prompt, but not using Konsole
[12:01] <Lamington> you can launch kate from konsole
[12:01] <nicon-> Dinofly: right, kate works at graphical mode, but not in console
[12:01] <Chris_Swift> Hello all, I have recently made a little Hello World in gedit or kate in KDE and compiled it using g++ but how do I run the "a.out" app?
[12:01] <nicon-> Lamington: no, i cant
[12:01] <Lamington> I just did
[12:01] <drkns> scanman bakiyorum hocam biraz zaman
[12:01] <nicon-> Lamington: it's possible, but when i try i got error :/
[12:01] <Lamington> ah
[12:01] <Dinofly> nicon-: are you running the "konsole" program or are you using the "real" text mode with ctrl-alt-f1 ?
[12:02] <Lamington> I get an error also, but kate still launches
[12:02] <nicon-> Dinofly: konsole
[12:02] <scanman> ok sram beklerim
[12:02] <Lamington> same error I get when I update
[12:02] <Chris_Swift> Hello all, I have recently made a little Hello World in gedit or kate in KDE and compiled it using g++ but how do I run the "a.out" app? And yes, I have double-clicked it lol
[12:02] <Lamington> X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 169
[12:02] <Lamington>   Major opcode:  147
[12:02] <Lamington>   Minor opcode:  3
[12:02] <Lamington>   Resource id:  0x0
[12:02] <BluesKaj> ok, this may be obvious makuseru, but I have to ask ..have you install the media codecs like libdvdcss2, ffmpeg etc?
[12:03] <Daisuke_Ido> Lamington: ignore those
[12:03] <Daisuke_Ido> those are device error codes relating to wacom hardware enabled by default in X
[12:03] <Lamington> Daisuke_Ido: Can I "turn it off" somehow so I dont get that error ?
[12:03] <BluesKaj> er installed
[12:03] <drkns> scanman sende beryl yuklumu ve bunun emerald temasi menejeri var bununda yuklu olmasi gerekiyor
[12:03] <Lamington> oh ok
[12:03] <Daisuke_Ido> Lamington: you can
[12:03] <Dinofly> Lamington: it is not important, i think it is due to the wacom X drivers
[12:03] <Lamington> So what if I just # it in my xconf
[12:03] <Chris_Swift> !english | drkns
[12:03] <ubotu> drkns: The #ubuntu, #kubuntu and #xubuntu channels are english only. For a complete list of channels in other languages, please visit http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat
[12:04] <Daisuke_Ido> you can comment that out, let me look at something
[12:04] <scanman> beryl ykl deil emerald temas menejerida yok galiba
[12:04] <scanman> ikisinide mecbur ykleyecekmiyim beryl ok kasyor diyorlarda
[12:04] <makuseru> BluesKaj: i believe so, i know i have ffmpeg. i dunno about libdvdcss2, i can play dvds
[12:04] <drkns> apologies ubotu
[12:05] <Chris_Swift> Hello all, I have recently made a little Hello World in gedit or kate in KDE and compiled it using g++ but how do I run the "a.out" app? And yes, I have double-clicked it! Lol can anyone help? If necessary you can view the source.
[12:05] <drkns> scanman oyle gorunuyor
[12:05] <Dinofly> Chris_Swift: ./a.out
[12:05] <Dinofly> (just guessing)
[12:06] <Chris_Swift> Dinofly: Thanks I thought it was Ubuntu being an annoyance again
[12:06] <BluesKaj> makuseru, k3b won't burn copyrighted files , BTW ...the best burning programs are devede and tovid IMO for those filetypes
[12:06] <scanman> tema ii kar galiba bakalm iinden kabilecekmiyim
[12:06] <Daisuke_Ido> Lamington: http://seerofsouls.com/wiki/How-Tos/BadDeviceErrors
[12:06] <nicon-> sry, little problem with my computer
[12:06] <Lamington> Thanks Daisuke_Ido
[12:07] <nicon-> So, like i said, i run it from konsole
[12:07] <drkns> scanman google yap eminim bilgi bulursun
[12:07] <Daisuke_Ido> oi
[12:07] <makuseru> BluesKaj: its just some AVI's i made video and audio_ts files for them
[12:07] <Daisuke_Ido> !english
[12:07] <ubotu> The #ubuntu, #kubuntu and #xubuntu channels are english only. For a complete list of channels in other languages, please visit http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat
[12:07] <scanman> zaten dnden beri okuyorum biryerleri ok bir aratraym yine
[12:07] <makuseru> BluesKaj: and i cant burn ISOs either
[12:07] <BluesKaj> K3b still does the burning but devede and tovid recode the files (strippring out the protection) and makes therm burnable for k3b
[12:07] <Daisuke_Ido> scanman: read above.
[12:08] <Dinofly> nicon-: so you launch your konsole, the you type "xhost +", then "kate" and it doesn't work ?
[12:08] <BluesKaj> makuseru, downloads and install Acetoneiso for .iso files
[12:08] <Etokura> Yeah?
[12:08] <nicon-> Dinofly: yes, now it works in graphical mode
[12:09] <Dinofly> ah, what did you change ?
[12:09] <nicon-> Dinofly: where? <:
[12:09] <drkns> daisuke he cant speak english i guess
[12:09] <drkns> apologies again
[12:09] <drkns> yep i am still waiting help for my problem
[12:09] <Dinofly> what did you change to make it work
[12:09] <makuseru> BluesKaj: no, K3B and Nero 3 do CD iso's fine, i just CANT burn dvds at all
[12:09] <nicon-> Dinofly: i dunno O_o
[12:10] <drkns> my wireless card is working with reduced speed why? what did i do wrong?
[12:10] <nicon-> But i need it not in graphical mode, but in konsole
[12:10] <Daisuke_Ido> makuseru: what version of k3b?
[12:10] <Daisuke_Ido> and it's probably not that, it's probably growisofs
[12:10] <Daisuke_Ido> !growisofs
[12:10] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about growisofs - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:10] <makuseru> Daisuke_Ido: 1.0
[12:10] <dsmith_> Interesting   http://rjdohnert.wordpress.com/2007/04/01/dell-linux-first-look/
[12:10] <BluesKaj> well makuseru , I recommend devede and tovid for dvd
[12:10] <Lamington> I discovered Automatix the other day... cool stuff 8)
[12:11] <nicon-> ):
[12:11] <Dinofly> nicon-: can you tell me why you need it in konsole ?
[12:11] <dsmith_> automatix2 is sweet
[12:11] <nicon-> Dinofly: it's faster for me - first, second: i can need it in ssh when i'll be not in home
[12:11] <drkns> nicon start over please what are you trying to do with kate in console?
[12:12] <Daisuke_Ido> !automatix
[12:12] <ubotu> Automatix2 is a script that tries to install some software, and often fails and breaks systems. We don't provide support for it, and we strongly discourage its use. Problems caused by Automatix are often hard to track and solve, and it might sometimes be easier to !install a fresh copy of Ubuntu. See also !WorksForMe
[12:12] <BluesKaj> !automatix   :)
[12:12] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about automatix   :) - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:12] <Lamington> dsmith_: ah yeah its Automatix2
[12:12] <BluesKaj> !automatix
[12:12] <Lamington> nice
[12:12] <nicon-> drkns: i need gedit/kwrite working in konsole...
[12:12] <nicon-> But it don't work
[12:12] <BluesKaj> !automatix
[12:12] <ubotu> Automatix2 is a script that tries to install some software, and often fails and breaks systems. We don't provide support for it, and we strongly discourage its use. Problems caused by Automatix are often hard to track and solve, and it might sometimes be easier to !install a fresh copy of Ubuntu. See also !WorksForMe
[12:12] <Dinofly> nicon-: i already explained to you that if you want to run graphical applications from a distant machine, you have to use ssh -X, VNC or krdc
[12:12] <Daisuke_Ido> and dsmith_: that article is dated 4/01
[12:12] <drkns> nicon try sudo kate edit
[12:13] <Daisuke_Ido> take it with a grain of salt
[12:13] <u0633614> yes
[12:13] <dsmith_> I just noticd that
[12:13] <Daisuke_Ido> no, don't use sudo for graphical apps.  try kdesu
[12:13] <dsmith_> hmmmm
[12:13] <nicon-> now everything runs in graphical mode
[12:13] <nicon-> k, brb