[09:13] <mdke> Burgundavia: that marketing-submissions thing sounds weird to me. What's wrong with the original marketing list? probably simpler for people to understand to have one list...
[09:14] <Burgundavia> mdke: the marketing submissions is an unmoderated list for people to send stuff to the marketing team
[09:14] <Burgundavia> the main list if for discussing stuff
[09:15] <mdke> i understand the concept; just not sure of why it's there. Presumably the main list is moderated so submissions will get through
[09:16] <mdke> sounds a bit confusing to me
[09:16] <Burgundavia> the main list is not really for people to send us lots and lots of random stuff
[09:16] <mdke> and along with fridge-devel too; having too many lists around generally is a bit odd
[09:17] <mdke> anyway, you know what you're doing
[09:19] <Burgundavia_> as I was saying, the marketing list is for dicussing marketing
[09:19] <Burgundavia_> the submissions lists is for peole to tell us about stuff
[09:20] <Burgundavia_> the other thing we are planning is a webform to submit to the mailing list
[09:21] <mdke> ok... as I said, seems wrong to me but you know what you are doing
[09:21] <Burgundavia> the community is doing a crazy amount of stuff
[09:21] <Burgundavia> if we pushed that to the marketing list, it would be very noisy
[09:22] <mdke> I don't think it will be pushed to any list, tbh. But having fridge-devel side by side with another similar targetted list is likely to reduce even those changes
[09:22] <mdke> chances*
[09:22] <Burgundavia> fridge-devel is entirely too specific
[09:23] <mdke> ok, good luck with it
[09:23] <Burgundavia> we needed something more general
[09:23] <mdke> so you want news about the community to that list?
[09:23] <mdke> stuff for uwn, etc?
[09:24] <Burgundavia> any of the marketing projects: uwn, fridge, full circle, other material, diy, website, etc.
[09:24] <mdke> or just marketing news
[09:24] <mdke> because if you want news about marketing, fair enough. If you want news about any aspect of the community, maybe don't use "marketing" in the name of the list
[09:25] <Burgundavia> it is submission to the marketing team
[09:25] <mdke> but we'll see how it goes, I guess
[09:26] <mdke> Burgundavia: I see that. But it's not intuitive that a team called "marketing" deals with news about the Ubuntu community; the UWN (for example) is nothing to do with marketing really. So a more generic name might help with people posting who aren't aware of that allocation
[09:26] <Burgundavia> hmm
[09:27] <Burgundavia> i noticed :)
[09:27] <Burgundavia> everybody needs to have such a day
[09:27] <mdke> well, sorry. But that's how I see it
[09:28] <Burgundavia> yep, I know
[09:28] <Burgundavia> given the primary method will be the webform, changing the addy is not such a huge deal at some later date
[09:29] <mdke> what would really make sense would be to have a news team that deals with the fridge, UWN, etc and has its own submission list :)
[09:29] <Burgundavia> right
[09:29] <Burgundavia> that lits is suppposed to be that
[09:30] <mdke> ok so you already envisaged that it will replace fridge-devel?
[09:30] <Burgundavia> maybe
[09:30] <mdke> fair enough
[09:30] <Burgundavia> possibly replace the posting functionality
[09:30] <mdke> in that case, can we think about the name before spreading it widely?
[09:32] <Burgundavia> sure
[09:33] <mdke> maybe we can work it into discussions about remodelling the fridge workflow
[09:34] <mdke> it would be great to have more people who contribute to UWN submitting stories to the fridge for editor review, for instance
[09:34] <mdke> a single list would improve that
[09:34] <Burgundavia> yep
[09:35] <Burgundavia> the full circle need something as well
[09:35] <mdke> there you go. I've turned a cranky morning into being positive
[09:35] <Burgundavia> now that you are CC, does this mean you are actually going to make it to one of these meetings?
[09:35] <mdke> I make it to meetings already when they don't clash with my job
[09:36] <mdke> but currently they clash quite a lot
[09:36] <Burgundavia> right
[09:36] <Burgundavia> a uds, I mean
[09:36] <mdke> oh...
[09:36] <mdke> pretty unlikely for now
[09:36] <mdke> they *always* clash with my job :)
[09:37] <mdke> I'll try tho
[09:40] <mdke> one in London would be helpful
[09:41] <mdke> gtg