[02:13] <catid> well, after i lost data the first time my system crashed using XFS, decided to switch to reiserfs
[05:08] <DudeManJer> I know its not the correct room but I wonder if anybody here knows how to assist about the installation process?
[06:40] <yimmmy> help please
[06:48] <yimmmy> helop
[06:50] <RAOF> !ask | yimmmy
[06:50] <ubotu> yimmmy: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[07:38] <czarny> hello
[07:38] <czarny> I've updated my g/f's laptop yesterday to partly gutsy
[07:38] <czarny> and after reboot all kernels see ide disks and cdroms as scsi
[07:38] <czarny> instead of hda I get sda
[07:39] <czarny> is it normal?
[07:40] <czarny> I've overcame this problem, nevertheless after all processes in init went OK I'm asked to pass maintainance password
[07:41] <czarny> and when I do, I need to start gdm manually and everything works
[07:41] <czarny> nevertheless I don't get any errors, but the maintanance pswd is needed - why?
[07:42] <crimsun> yes, it's normal.  In fact, that was the movement with edgy, but it got delayed until feity, and bits and pieces ended up being reverted for feisty final
[07:42] <crimsun> feisty, even.
[07:43] <czarny> why the move?
[07:43] <czarny> I'm a PLD (another distro) devleoper and I'd like to hear the reasons
[07:43] <czarny> why everything gets emulated (through sg I'd assume?)
[07:43] <crimsun> because it makes sense.  Upstream (Linux, kernel.org) wants One Interface to Rule Them All.
[07:44] <czarny> and that interface to be is scsii :)
[07:44] <czarny> ok - and about the init problem ??
[07:44] <crimsun> you likely will find a protracted discussion on the libata devel list(s).
[07:44] <czarny> what could cause maintainance passwd ?
[07:44] <czarny> there is no error, all services seem to run normal
[07:45] <crimsun> is this with 2.6.22-[12]  or 2.6.20-15 from feisty?
[07:45] <czarny> 2.6.20
[07:45] <crimsun> I can't comment on the former; it doesn't even boot my machines.
[07:46] <czarny> well the transition wen't bad for me
[07:46] <czarny> UUID's in /etc/fstab got updated to the scsii ones
[07:46] <crimsun> need more context.  Do you have a digital photo or possibly a dump from a serial console?
[07:46] <czarny> but not in /boot/menu.lst
[07:46] <czarny> LOL
[07:46] <czarny> not really
[07:46] <czarny> ok - how could I debug it ??
[07:46] <czarny> is there a ..h m...step by step mode ??
[07:47] <czarny> like every service asks me if it is to be run ?
[07:48] <crimsun> not really.
[07:49] <czarny> well - the strange thing is, that all servicess pass
[07:49] <czarny> in PLD maintance passwd is issued when something breaks
[07:49] <czarny> usually quite early
[07:49] <czarny> and this seems to show after *all* start
[07:49] <crimsun> does starting in recovery mode (the second boot option, which is simply nosplash verbose single) reveal anything?
[07:49] <czarny> because when I start gdm and toy with GNOME it seems all run
[07:50] <czarny> I need to boot in this mode all the time
[07:50] <czarny> but doesn't
[07:50] <czarny> when I boot in the normal mode, when spalsh shows, the computer never reaches GDM
[07:50] <czarny> It's a hardware problem
[07:50] <czarny> some usplash fcked up ati 7500 booting
[07:50] <crimsun> what if you choose the normal mode but remove quiet and splash from the kernel command line?
[07:51] <czarny> didn't try that
[07:51] <czarny> w8
[07:51] <crimsun> we are going through a usplash transition if you haven't kept up with gutsy-changes
[07:52] <czarny> crimsun: I don't use ubuntu :)
[07:52] <czarny> crimsun: I've installed it on my g/f's laptop :)
[07:52] <czarny> crimsun: whoa - works !
[07:52] <czarny> crimsun: THX dude
[07:53] <czarny> so now the rescue mode always will issue passwd at the end ?
[07:53] <crimsun> only if you've configured a root password.
[07:53] <czarny> bout that usplash hung - it's like from...hm...end of edgy?
[07:53] <czarny> crimsun: Yea - I think I maby did??
[07:53] <czarny> crimsun: something needed that
[07:53] <crimsun> certain video cards act weird with usplash and Xorg
[07:53] <crimsun> video's not my strong point (I deal with audio)
[07:53] <czarny> crimsun: well there was a time I was making some splash for PLD
[07:54] <czarny> and I've toyed around usplash and fbsplash
[07:54] <czarny> so usplash doesn't have much options to tweak
[07:54] <czarny> but fbsplash has an option which is told to be used, when during boot something shows on top of the splash
[07:54] <czarny> like changing consoles make splash dissapear
[07:55] <czarny> and when You turn the magical fbsplash option on it forces the splash to stay on top
[07:55] <czarny> since usplashes splash stays on top all the time I'd assume that You use that feature by default
[07:55] <czarny> and both fbsplash with that feature and usplash make my laptop not display anything else then the splash :)
[07:56] <czarny> BTW: NetworkManager 0.6.5 anytime soon ?
[07:56] <czarny> I'd pass You some patches, as I've did it for PLD - it compiles and runs
[07:56] <czarny> but I've got totally no idea how debs are being build and how You ppl develop Your packages
[07:57] <czarny> (and NM 0.6.5 needed some minor patching)
[07:58] <tritium> czarny: what's fixed in 0.6.5?  I still haven't figured out if its a kernel module or network-manager problem that prevents me from using AR5212 on feisty.
[07:58] <czarny> czarny: I totally don't know ;)
[07:59] <czarny> czarny: my friend had problems with his card
[07:59] <czarny> and asked me to try 0.6.5
[07:59] <czarny> and it worked for him
[07:59] <czarny> nevertheless a lot of fuss is out there, especially on Your forums, that 0.6.5 is a magical wand for some ppl who couldn't have used it
[08:00] <czarny> I know that some driver issues were fixed and all the magical conecting modes, like EAP2, WPA2 and other certificate types of connectivity has been revised
[08:01] <czarny> tritium: but to answer Your question - I'd go wit the network-manager helping, as my friends didn't change any drivers, only NM
[08:02] <tritium> hmm, that sounds promising...
[08:02] <tritium> I can only connect to open networks currently
[08:03] <tritium> Was a little surprised to see feisty release with that bug.  I've got to imagine there are a lot of Thinkpad users out there that are affected...
[08:03] <tritium> (among others)
[08:08] <czarny> tritium: thinkpad??
[08:08] <czarny> tritium: I've got a T42
[08:09] <czarny> and I can connect to a WPA2 TKIP network with a certificate and password
[08:09] <tritium> czarny: I've got a T43p with Atheros AR5212
[08:10] <czarny> tritium: aah...so I've got a solution 4 You ;)
[08:10] <czarny> tritium: I'll give You my postal address, You'll give my Yours and we're all set ;)
[08:10] <czarny> just the switch needed ;)
[08:11] <tritium> czarny: ;)
[08:11] <tritium> czarny: it's actually my employer's
[08:12] <czarny> tritium: well - so there's some convincing 4 You to do ;)
[08:12] <czarny> tritium: try "Dir Sir, try to think bout it as an upgrade - it's true You'll get an older model, but the upgrade is, that something that didn't work started to!"
[08:15] <tritium> I'm sure that'll go over really well ;)
[08:20] <czarny> ok - thx dudes
[08:20] <tritium> take care, czarny :)
[08:20] <czarny> crimsun: especially You - easy thing but made me stope
[08:20] <czarny> Yea - I'm going to - I'm going to my g/f graduatation ceremony
[08:20] <czarny> cya
[08:20] <czarny> oh - and fetch my someone who knows bout the usplash thing next time
[08:20] <czarny> cya
[11:40] <gnomefreak> czarny: the usplash issue will be fixed soon now that UDS is over. hopfully sometime in the next 7 days or so but can promise that since its not my package
[11:56] <czarny> gnomefreak: thx
[11:56] <czarny> again bout the hda -> sda stuff
[11:56] <czarny> 2.6.22 detects hda again
[11:56] <czarny> WTF ??
[11:56] <czarny> what makes a kernel detect stuff normally, and what in the scsii way??
[11:56] <czarny> some package ??
[11:57] <czarny> initrmafs ?
[11:58] <czarny> and what is unknown stanza in init scripts?
[12:28] <gnomefreak> czarny: off hand i dont know, its still a bit early here and i havent booted my gutsy sys in a few days because i havent set it up for building packages yet.
[05:36] <czarny> +
[05:38] <czarny> *
[08:14] <Gearman> exterior monitor does not work
[08:29] <Cas> Hi all, A little question about Gutsy. Will the restricted driver manager still be in it?
[08:32] <Toma-> yep
[08:33] <Cas> Toma-: good, I was a little confused by many comments cause of the free approach
[09:32] <venky> hello is anyone on kubuntu gutsy with intel pro wireless 3945?
[09:40] <venky> anyone using kubuntu gutsy?
[12:04] <teethdood> anyone trying firefox 3?