[02:35] <soundray> Hi
[02:36] <BigMac> Hey
[02:36] <soundray> What's your chipset
[02:36] <soundray> ?
[02:36] <BigMac> alright so I have a broadcom chipset which I know are a bi*** to get working
[02:36] <soundray> i386 or amd64?
[02:37] <BigMac> I have tried following a guide that is made for my laptop, but it is supposedly crap
[02:37] <nalioth> or powerpc? :P
[02:37] <BigMac> i386
[02:37] <soundray> nalioth: do you mean that old, not officially supported platform?
[02:37] <soundray> ;)
[02:38] <BigMac> I tried this guide but the first two steps didn't remove ndiswrapper
[02:38] <BigMac> http://ubuntu1501.blogspot.com/2007/01/fixing-wifi-on-dell-1501.html
[02:38] <soundray> BigMac: have you seen this: http://ubuntu.cafuego.net/dists/feisty-cafuego/all/
[02:39] <BigMac> then if you scroll down I followed the poster named c0ld instructions
[02:39] <BigMac> using bcm43xx-fwcutter driver
[02:39] <BigMac> no I will check it now
[02:39] <BigMac> anything is worth an attempt
[02:40] <soundray> Re. removing ndiswrapper:
[02:41] <soundray> The kernel module is part of the default install. Make sure it is not listed in /etc/modules
[02:42] <soundray> You may also want to blacklist it: sudo sh -c 'echo blacklist ndiswrapper >/etc/modprobe.d/blacklist-ndiswrapper'
[02:42] <soundray> Although that's probably overkill
[02:42] <soundray> But you do want to be sure that the rmmod worked.
[02:42] <BigMac> the rmmod did nothing
[02:42] <BigMac> gave an error if I recall
[02:43] <soundray> lsmod | grep -q ^ndiswrapper && echo ndiswrapper is still loaded
[02:43] <BigMac> didn't echo anything to me
[02:44] <BigMac> and I don't see a modules folder in etc
[02:44] <soundray> It's a file, and I'd be surprised if you didn't have it at all...
[02:45] <BigMac> I can paste the output to pastebin, but nothing was output from that snipper
[02:45] <BigMac> snippet
[02:45] <soundray> How about cat /etc/modules ?
[02:47] <BigMac> http://rafb.net/p/O3ASlr23.html
[02:47] <soundray> Fine
[02:47] <BigMac> should I run the commands on that site you linked me to?
[02:48] <soundray> It looks to me like the firmware on that site should be the same as the firmware you've already prepared with fwcutter
[02:49] <BigMac> Ok so what should I be doing
[02:50] <soundray> Try again
[02:50] <soundray> but don't disable the connections like c0ld says
[02:51] <soundray> Set them to "Roaming mode" if you want to set it up through networkmanager
[02:52] <BigMac> I didn't get that far
[02:52] <BigMac> I just went through 1-3
[02:52] <BigMac> clicked my network
[02:52] <BigMac> and it wouldn't connect
[02:52] <BigMac> SO I should disable everything?
[02:53] <soundray> No, read what I said
[02:53] <BigMac> ok
[02:54] <BigMac> sorry I don't know where to adjust those settings, I looked in network tools
[02:55] <soundray> One above, in Networking
[02:56] <BigMac> It says roaming mode enabled already
[02:56] <soundray> That's good then
[02:56] <BigMac> ok
[02:57] <BigMac> so what else should I be doing
[02:57] <soundray> Can you do a iwlist ap
[02:57] <BigMac> surr
[02:57] <BigMac> sure
[02:57] <soundray> What's your interface name?
[02:58] <BigMac> http://rafb.net/p/rUDts424.html
[02:58] <soundray> I see, you haven't got a wireless device yet
[02:58] <BigMac> My SSID? Otherwise I don't know what you mean
[02:59] <soundray> You have two wired Ethernet sockets?
[02:59] <BigMac> I am not sure what you mean
[03:00] <BigMac> Sorry I am usually not this computer illiterate
[03:00] <BigMac> I do have a built in wifi card, and I have one ethernet port on the back
[03:01] <soundray> Are you connected through the Ethernet right now?
[03:01] <BigMac> Yup
[03:01] <soundray> Is that eth0?
[03:01] <BigMac> yes
[03:03] <soundray> Have you got the bcm43xx module loaded? Check with
[03:03] <soundray> lsmod | grep ^bcm
[03:05] <BigMac> http://rafb.net/p/KXovG972.html
[03:06] <soundray> The driver is loaded, then
[03:07] <BigMac> ?
[03:07] <BigMac> SHouldn't it be working then
[03:07] <soundray> BTW, I don't mind you pasting a few lines here. It's the main channel where pasting can be a major problem.
[03:07] <BigMac> Oh ok
[03:07] <soundray> I don't know, I'm trying the same thing here, and it doesn't work, either...
[03:08] <soundray> Driver loads, but no new interface appears
[03:08] <BigMac> hmm
[03:09] <BigMac> Perhaps I should try the actual driver in that guide, but the first 2 commands do nothing
[03:10] <soundray> The ones to remove ndiswrapper?
[03:11] <BigMac> yah
[03:12] <soundray> The rmmod command worked. You have no ndiswrapper module now.
[03:12] <BigMac> ok
[03:12] <BigMac> so should I try the guide all the way through then report back
[03:12] <soundray> To check whether ndiswrapper-utils is installed, do a
[03:12] <BigMac> or do you think it is not worth it
[03:12] <soundray> dpkg -l ndiswr*
[03:13] <soundray> Difficult question
[03:13] <BigMac> moyers@moyLAPTOP:~$ dpkg -l ndiswr*
[03:13] <BigMac> Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold
[03:13] <BigMac> | Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed
[03:13] <BigMac> |/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: uppercase=bad)
[03:13] <BigMac> ||/ Name           Version        Description
[03:13] <BigMac> +++-[03:13] <BigMac> un  ndiswrapper-mo <none>         (no description available)
[03:14] <BigMac> It is just irritating knowing that wifi does work on my laptop, I like ubuntu way more then windows for coding, but yet I have never been able to get wireless working
[03:16] <soundray> You've successully removed that package
[03:16] <BigMac> ok
[03:16] <BigMac> so continue the guide?
[03:17] <soundray> I don't know
[03:18] <soundray> It would be nicer to get it to work without ndiswrapper
[03:18] <soundray> and without bypassing the package system as well
[03:18] <BigMac> Sure but I would rather have wifi with ndiswrapper than no wifi
[03:18] <BigMac> If I can't get it working without it
[03:19] <soundray> I can see that.
[03:20] <BigMac> But if you have more ideas, please go ahead, I am just saying if you are tapped on ideas then i can resort to this
[03:20] <soundray> But I have to let you try without me, I need a bit of sleep now
[03:21] <soundray> I've been searching the web up and down while we were chatting, but haven't found anything useful
[03:22] <BigMac> ok I guess I will try and really hope it works
[03:22] <BigMac> if not I find somebody else who can help
[03:22] <soundray> Good luck
[03:24] <soundray> BigMac: one more thing
[03:24] <soundray> lspci | grep Broadcom
[03:25] <soundray> What does that give you?
[03:26] <BigMac> moyers@moyLAPTOP:~$ lspci | grep Broadcom
[03:26] <BigMac> 05:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation Dell Wireless 1390 WLAN Mini-PCI Card (rev 01)
[03:26] <BigMac> 08:00.0 Ethernet controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4401-B0 100Base-TX (rev 02)
[03:29] <soundray> Yes, it looks like those instructions apply
[03:30] <soundray> I just found that for my device (4328) there just isn't a driver at all yet.
[03:30] <soundray> Nevermind
[03:30] <soundray> See you later
[05:01] <Fezzler> h
[05:01] <Fezzler> how come in some irc rooms there are long lists of people but no conversation.  Are people IMing?
[05:02] <Fezzler> sorry for newbie q?
[06:52] <eAi> hey
[06:53] <soundray> eAi: let's start with grub
[06:53] <eAi> ok
[06:53] <soundray> To simplify things a little, there are two parts to it.
[06:53] <soundray> One is a tiny program that fits into the master boot record of a hard disk drive.
[06:54] <eAi> yep
[06:54] <eAi> stage1 right?
[06:54] <soundray> Yes
[06:54] <soundray> The MBR is outside of all partitions. In fact, I think it contains the partition table as well.
[06:55] <soundray> That part of grub needs to reference the next stage, 1.5.
[06:55] <eAi> ok
[06:55] <soundray> Or is it stage2, I get confused.
[06:56] <soundray> It doesn't matter.
[06:56] <soundray> What matters is that stage 1 needs a pointer to what comes next, so it can load it off the disk.
[06:56] <eAi> ok
[06:57] <soundray> That's what goes into the /grub subdirectory of your /boot partition.
[06:58] <soundray> Once that part is loaded, it goes on to load a kernel. At this point, grub is still dependent on BIOS information.
[06:58] <soundray> Which is why your first attempt with the USB failed.
[06:58] <eAi> ok
[06:58] <soundray> Now let's make a quick digression into partition tables.
[06:59] <soundray> You can have a maximum of four primary partitions on a disk, *or* up to three primaries plus an extended partition.
[06:59] <soundray> The extended partition can contain logical ones.
[07:00] <soundray> fdisk shows all partitions, including the extended one. Some other programs don't. Hence the discrepancy between three and four partitions that you see.
[07:01] <eAi> ok
[07:01] <soundray> Given that you have a new /dev/sda6, I presume you have one primary partition, one extended one and two logicals inside the extended.
[07:02] <eAi>    Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
[07:02] <eAi> /dev/sda1   *           1        5101    40973751    c  W95 FAT32 (LBA)
[07:02] <eAi> /dev/sda2            5102        7296    17631337+   f  W95 Ext'd (LBA)
[07:02] <eAi> /dev/sda5            5102        7125    16257748+   7  HPFS/NTFS
[07:02] <eAi> /dev/sda6            7126        7296     1373526   83  Linux
[07:02] <soundray> Yes, that's what I thought. sda5 and sda6 are the logical ones inside sda2
[07:03] <eAi> ok
[07:03] <soundray> The next step is to copy the required data to your /dev/sda6
[07:03] <soundray> How we do this depends on how you are currently set up. ?
[07:03] <soundray> Running Windows right now?
[07:04] <eAi> no, Ubuntu live cd
[07:04] <soundray> eAi: okay, that's where you ran gparted from, correct?
[07:04] <eAi> yes
[07:05] <soundray> BTW, what version of ubuntu?
[07:05] <eAi> 7.04
[07:05] <soundray> Did you have to apt-get install gparted?
[07:05] <eAi> no
[07:06] <eAi> was in the System->Administration menu
[07:06] <soundray> It's included, that's what I thought. Someone claimed the opposite yesterday.
[07:06] <soundray> Nm
[07:06] <eAi> well, its fairly obvious, right there at the top
[07:06] <soundray> What do you get from a 'sudo mount /dev/sda6 /mnt'? I'm hoping for silence.
[07:08] <eAi> correct
[07:08] <eAi> nothing
[07:09] <soundray> Do a "sudo sh -c 'date >/mnt/datelabel' " to see if you can write to it
[07:09] <soundray> Should be silent, too.
[07:10] <eAi> silent
[07:10] <soundray> What's the partition name of your ubuntu installation, ie. external hard disk?
[07:11] <eAi> /dev/sdb2
[07:12] <soundray> eAi: we need to mount that to another mount point.
[07:12] <soundray> sudo mkdir /media/sdb2
[07:12] <soundray> mount /dev/sdb2 /media/sdb2
[07:12] <soundray> should both be silent
[07:13] <soundray> sorry
[07:13] <soundray> sudo mount /dev/sdb2 /media/sdb2
[07:13] <eAi> ok, done
[07:13] <soundray> Now we need to copy the whole /boot directory contents to the new partition.
[07:14] <soundray> sudo cp -a /boot/* /mnt/
[07:14] <soundray> actually...
[07:14] <soundray> sudo cp -av /boot/* /mnt/
[07:14] <soundray> That way you'll know what's going on
[07:14] <eAi> ok, done
[07:15] <soundray> Now the Ubuntu installation needs to know about the new location of the /boot data
[07:16] <eAi> ok
[07:16] <soundray> echo '/dev/sda6 /boot ext3 defaults 0 2' | sudo tee -a /media/sdb2/etc/fstab'
[07:17] <soundray> before you do that...
[07:17] <soundray> sudo cp /media/sdb2/etc/fstab /media/sdb2/etc/fstab-backup
[07:17] <soundray> just to be safe ;)
[07:19] <eAi> hm
[07:19] <eAi> that gives a > prompt
[07:19] <soundray> my fault
[07:19] <soundray> Ctrl-C that
[07:19] <soundray> then arrow-up and remove the quote mark from the end.
[07:20] <eAi> ah ok
[07:21] <eAi> yeah it just echoed out that part in quotes to the console
[07:21] <soundray> Do a cat /media/sdb2/etc/fstab and see if the new line is there
[07:22] <eAi> yeah it is
[07:22] <eAi> theres 5 uncommented lines
[07:22] <soundray> Good. Next step is to adapt the grub configuration to the new location.
[07:23] <eAi> ok
[07:23] <soundray> Could you paste the whole /mnt/grub/menu.lst to http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org
[07:25] <soundray> and give me the URL
[07:25] <eAi> sure
[07:25] <eAi> well, its empty
[07:26] <eAi> which makes that kind of redundant ;)
[07:26] <soundray> What about
[07:26] <soundray> ls /mnt/grub
[07:26] <soundray> is that empty, too?
[07:26] <eAi> device.map
[07:26] <soundray> Is that all?
[07:26] <eAi> yes
[07:27] <soundray> ls /media/sdb2/boot/
[07:27] <soundray> anything there?
[07:27] <eAi> yep
[07:27] <eAi> abi-2.6.20-15-generic         initrd.img-2.6.20-15-generic.bak
[07:27] <eAi> config-2.6.20-15-generic      memtest86+.bin
[07:27] <eAi> grub                          System.map-2.6.20-15-generic
[07:27] <eAi> initrd.img-2.6.20-15-generic  vmlinuz-2.6.20-15-generic
[07:27] <soundray> eAi: the copying step hasn't worked then
[07:28] <soundray> No /mnt/datelabel, that's worrying
[07:28] <eAi> thats odd
[07:28] <eAi> i cd'd to mnt
[07:28] <eAi> and its all there
[07:28] <eAi> one sec
[07:29] <eAi> it just hasn't copied all the grub stuff
[07:29] <soundray> ls /mnt ?
[07:29] <eAi> abi-2.6.20-15-generic             lost+found
[07:29] <eAi> config-2.6.20-15-generic          memtest86+.bin
[07:29] <eAi> datelabel                         System.map-2.6.20-15-generic
[07:29] <eAi> grub                              vmlinuz-2.6.20-15-generic
[07:29] <eAi> initrd.img-2.6.20-15-generic.bak
[07:30] <eAi> I did the copy again and it did the same
[07:30] <eAi> it just copied on grub/* file
[07:30] <soundray> Is there a /mnt/grub/menu.lst now?
[07:30] <eAi> no
[07:30] <eAi> sudo cp -av /boot/grub/* ./grub
[07:30] <eAi> copies one file
[07:31] <eAi> that copy is wrong
[07:31] <soundray> Yes, it's the wrong source
[07:31] <soundray> sorry
[07:31] <eAi> yes
[07:31] <eAi> :)
[07:31] <soundray> sudo cp /media/sdb2/boot/* /mnt/
[07:31] <soundray> sudo cp -av /media/sdb2/boot/* /mnt/
[07:31] <eAi> ok, better
[07:32] <soundray> Now let me see your /mnt/grub/menu.lst pls
[07:33] <eAi> one sec
[07:36] <eAi> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/20519/
[07:37] <soundray> I'll go through that, edit it in a few places and paste it back. Be patient pls ;)
[07:37] <eAi> of course :)
[07:37] <eAi> thanks btw, really helpful
[07:42] <soundray> eAi: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/20521/
[07:42] <soundray> I hope these are right. Make a backup of the existing menu.lst for reference.
[07:43] <soundray> You'll see that I put (hd0,5), this is the grub name of your /dev/sda6
[07:44] <eAi> yeah I saw
[07:44] <eAi> copied in
[07:44] <soundray> We should be ready to put grub in the MBR now.
[07:45] <soundray> sudo grub-install --root-directory=/mnt /dev/sda
[07:45] <soundray> Any errors?
[07:46] <soundray> oops
[07:47] <soundray> Have you done that already?
[07:47] <eAi> Installation finished. No error reported.
[07:47] <eAi> This is the contents of the device map /mnt/boot/grub/device.map.
[07:47] <eAi> Check if this is correct or not. If any of the lines is incorrect,
[07:47] <eAi> fix it and re-run the script `grub-install'.
[07:47] <eAi> (fd0)   /dev/fd0
[07:47] <eAi> (hd0)   /dev/sda
[07:47] <eAi> (hd1)   /dev/sdb
[07:47] <soundray> I see
[07:48] <eAi> that right?
[07:48] <soundray> The problem now is that grub created a boot directory inside /mnt, which itself is later going to be /boot
[07:49] <soundray> Not a problem, let's sideline that new directory
[07:49] <soundray> sudo mv /mnt/boot /mnt/boot-mistake
[07:49] <soundray> Then create a symbolic link in /mnt named boot, pointing to itself
[07:50] <soundray> cd /mnt ; sudo ln -sf . boot
[07:50] <soundray> Then redo the grub-install
[07:50] <eAi> done
[07:50] <soundray> sudo grub-install --root-directory=/mnt /dev/sda
[07:50] <eAi> Installation finished. No error reported.
[07:50] <eAi> This is the contents of the device map /mnt/boot/grub/device.map.
[07:50] <eAi> Check if this is correct or not. If any of the lines is incorrect,
[07:50] <eAi> fix it and re-run the script `grub-install'.
[07:50] <eAi> (hd0)   /dev/sda
[07:50] <eAi> (hd1)   /dev/sdb
[07:51] <soundray> Hmm, it's strange that it dropped the fd0 now
[07:51] <soundray> Not a problem, you're not booting from floppy.
[07:51] <eAi> don't even have a floppy drive
[07:52] <soundray> Let's think this through now
[07:52] <soundray> Grub will load from /dev/sda and load its config etc. from /dev/sda6
[07:52] <soundray> Then it'll boot the kernel...
[07:52] <soundray> oops
[07:53] <eAi> remember I still want to be able to boot Windows sometimes ;)
[07:53] <soundray> That's not a problem, grub knows all about your Vista ;)
[07:53] <soundray> But we need to change the location of the kernel back to /boot/... now
[07:54] <soundray> which means I have to give you another menu.lst
[07:55] <soundray> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/20522/
[07:55] <soundray> This needs to go to /mnt/grub/menu.lst again
[07:56] <soundray> Okay, now the kernel knows where to find itself, so to speak, once grub loads it.
[07:56] <eAi> copied that in
[07:56] <soundray> I think it's done. Wanna try to reboot?
[07:59] <eAi> ok :)
[07:59] <eAi> if it doesn't work I'll have to reboot using the live cd and install xchat again
[07:59] <eAi> so I may be some time...
[07:59] <soundray> eAi: either that, or connect with gaim instead (should be on the CD already)
[07:59] <eAi> ok
[08:00] <eAi> I'll be back!
[08:00] <soundray> eAi: I'll stay logged in for another while
[08:00] <eAi> k
[08:08] <eAi> it worked!
[08:08] <soundray> Excellent.
[08:08] <eAi> thanks a lot :)
[08:09] <soundray> Have you tried booting your horrible closed source OS, too?
[08:09] <eAi> haven't tested if windows still works
[08:09] <eAi> no
[08:09] <eAi> i've actually got Vista and XP installed, but I never use Vista
[08:09] <eAi> someone gave it to me free ;)
[08:09] <soundray> Well, I trust that it'll work. If not, you can always ask again on the main channel
[08:10] <eAi> ok
[08:10] <soundray> Are you sorted then? ;)
[08:11] <eAi> well a few other questions
[08:11] <soundray> I'm all eyes
[08:11] <eAi> like, is there a way to get double-tap (on the laptop's trackpad) to work for dragging?
[08:12] <eAi> its hardly major, but it'd be useful
[08:12] <soundray> eAi: probably. It worked out of the box for me, but you may have to configure the synaptics driver.
[08:12] <soundray> gsynaptics is a useful frontend.
[08:13] <eAi> ok
[08:13] <eAi> gparted isn't installed by default
[08:13] <eAi> it is on the live cd though
[08:14] <eAi> also, is it just me, or does the return/enter key not always work to click the default button
[08:14] <eAi> (the glowing one)
[08:14] <soundray> eAi: that's just you...
[08:15] <eAi> strange
[08:15] <eAi> it keeps happening
[08:15] <soundray> eAi: I'm not sure, I don't get this problem.
[08:15] <soundray> Do you mean dialog buttons, like OK/Cancel, or menus as well?
[08:15] <eAi> works fine selecting menu items
[08:15] <eAi> but for example, if I select a package in the Synaptic Package Manager
[08:16] <eAi> and try to install it
[08:16] <eAi> I get the "Apple the following change" dialog
[08:16] <eAi> and pressing return won't do "Apply"
[08:16] <soundray> eAi: maybe it's not just you
[08:17] <soundray> I tend to use the keyboard for command line work, and the mouse for GUIs
[08:17] <eAi> well, I avoid the mouse as much as I can on my laptop
[08:17] <soundray> Try space if return doesn't do what you expect
[08:17] <eAi> when I don't have a mouse connected
[08:17] <eAi> space didn't work
[08:17] <eAi> tab -> enter worked
[08:17] <eAi> (selecting the checkbox)
[08:18] <eAi> which suggests that whatever is selected by default is not passing the keystroke correctly
[08:18] <eAi> anyway
[08:18] <eAi> i'll live ;)
[08:18] <eAi> wheres xorg.conf?
[08:19] <soundray> /etc/X11
[08:20] <eAi> that gsynaptics app says I've got to set SHMConfig to true
[08:21] <eAi> but I'm not sure what section that should be in
[08:21] <eAi> and SHMConfig isn't currently in there
[08:23] <eAi> I don't have a Synaptics Touchpad item which one site thinks I maybe should
[08:24] <soundray> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=975421
[08:24] <soundray> look at post #8
[08:25] <eAi> do I have to restart X after I change it?
[08:25] <soundray> eAi: yes
[08:26] <eAi> control + alt + backspace?
[08:28] <eAi> doesn't work :(
[08:31] <soundray> eAi: you have to reference that InputDevice where the current one is also referenced
[08:31] <soundray> in Section ServerLayout
[08:32] <eAi> add an InputDevice "Synaptics Touchpad"
[08:32] <eAi> ?
[08:33] <soundray> Yes
[08:33] <eAi> ok, trying that
[08:33] <soundray> Make sure it exactly matches the Identifier.
[08:34] <eAi> well that fixed it :)
[08:34] <eAi> tap and drag works :)
[08:34] <soundray> Hooray!
[08:34] <eAi> and the config works :)
[08:34] <eAi> config should really be part of ubuntu :)
[08:35] <eAi> judging by the number of posts there are about this kind of thing
[08:35] <soundray> Do you mean gsynaptics?
[08:35] <eAi> yes
[08:36] <eAi> and whatever is required to make it "just work" :)
[08:37] <eAi> well, thanks very much for helping me with this
[08:37] <soundray> Yw
[08:38] <eAi> now, all this stuff has made me forget to eat :(
[08:40] <eAi> heres a quick question - whats the best way to mount an SMB share?
[08:45] <soundray> eAi: that's not a quick question ;)
[08:46] <soundray> eAi: try "Places - Connect to server"
[08:46] <soundray> eAi: if you want a permanent mount, add it to /etc/fstab. I'll give you an example line from mine:
[08:47] <soundray> /fsg/media /var/lib/media      cifs        credentials=/root/.creds,uid=1000,gid=1000  0       1
[08:47] <eAi> if that fails to mount, will it cause any problems?
[08:47] <eAi> (e.g. if the laptop is off the network)
[08:48] <soundray> eAi: yes
[08:48] <soundray> After gid=1000, you can add ',noauto' (no space)
[08:48] <soundray> Then you can mount the share when needed with
[08:49] <soundray> sudo mount /var/lib/media
[08:49] <eAi> hm ok
[08:49] <eAi> how can I enable ntfs write?
[08:49] <eAi> just install the ntfs-3g package?
[08:49] <eAi> or is it more complex?
[08:50] <soundray> I don't know...
[08:50] <soundray> !ntfs-3g
[08:50] <ubotu> ntfs-3g is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. Installation instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions
[08:51] <soundray> That may help
[08:51] <soundray> I don't have any ntfs partitions on my main machines :)
[08:51] <eAi> ok :)
[08:53] <soundray> Actually, that's not true. I created one on my Mac with Boot Camp. But I'm not using it atm and I don't think I will
[08:53] <soundray> Where in the UK are you?
[09:01] <eAi> back
[09:01] <eAi> im in London
[09:01] <soundray> Not far then
[09:01] <soundray> I'm in Ascot
[09:01] <eAi> I go to uni at Royal Holloway very near there
[09:02] <soundray> In Egham, yeah
[09:02] <eAi> yep
[09:02] <soundray> I have friends there
[09:02] <soundray> What do you study?
[09:02] <eAi> Computer Science
[09:02] <eAi> ;)
[09:03] <soundray> My friends are two geologists and an ethno-musicologist :)
[09:04] <eAi> i've met a few geologists, no ethno-musicologists though
[09:04] <soundray> I went to the open day a few weeks ago with the kids
[09:05] <eAi> the UCAS ones?
[09:05] <soundray> erm
[09:05] <soundray> Don't know what UCAS is
[09:05] <eAi> university entry system
[09:05] <soundray> No, it was a thing for the public
[09:06] <eAi> ah
[09:07] <soundray> I work with computer scientists a lot. Are you into image processing at all?
[09:07] <eAi> well I used to play around with that kind of thing ages ago, but I can't say I've done much recently
[09:08] <eAi> I spend most of my time working on Multi Theft Auto a grand theft auto mod
[09:08] <eAi> thats C++ and Assembly
[09:08] <eAi> assembly is really what I enjoy
[09:08] <eAi> bit sad ;
[09:08] <eAi> )
[09:08] <soundray> :D
[09:10] <eAi> but I do all sorts of stuff really, the mod I do because its a good challenge
[09:10] <soundray> Are you undergraduate still?
[09:10] <eAi> yes, second year
[09:10] <eAi> but strangely I still find I haven't really learnt much I didn't know before I started it ;)
[09:11] <eAi> probably because I wasted most of my school life in front of a computer
[09:11] <soundray> Well, I can tell you your type is in demand in my arena
[09:12] <eAi> whats that exactly?
[09:13] <soundray> Extracting information from e.g. 3D brain images acquired with MRI that isn't readily visible on 2D sections
[09:14] <eAi> data visualisation kind of?
[09:14] <soundray> Yes, that comes into it
[09:14] <eAi> or more focused on getting the information than displaying it?
[09:15] <soundray> But also data mining, feature extraction, statistical functional mapping, all of that
[09:15] <eAi> sounds interesting
[09:16] <eAi> I imagine theres lots of demand for that for all sorts of things
[09:16] <soundray> If you're interested in a summer project or similar in that vein at any stage, drop me an email
[09:16] <eAi> like satellite images etc?
[09:17] <soundray> It's my nickname at imperial dot aycee dot ukay ;)
[09:17] <eAi> sure, I might well be, got nothing to do this summer anyway
[09:17] <eAi> worked in an office last year, got paid well, but bored out of my mind
[09:17] <eAi> worked in "The gherkin"
[09:17] <soundray> eAi: yes, or even just to continue this discussion... I should log off now.
[09:17] <eAi> ok, sure
[09:18] <soundray> Enjoy your ubuntu ;)
[09:18] <eAi> thank you
[09:18] <eAi> I will :)
[09:18] <soundray> Bye now