=== croppa [n=stuart@135.27.233.220.exetel.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-classroom === amrlima [n=amrlima@81.20.248.154] has joined #ubuntu-classroom === amrlima [n=amrlima@81.20.248.154] has left #ubuntu-classroom [] === ash211 [n=andrew@user-112179o.dsl.mindspring.com] has joined #ubuntu-classroom === merriam__ [n=merriam@85-211-245-180.dyn.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-classroom === n2diy [n=darryl@ppp-42d42829.wlks.losch.net] has joined #ubuntu-classroom === soundray [n=rolf@dsl-217-155-44-246.zen.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-classroom === BigMac [n=BigMac@c-71-234-95-131.hsd1.ct.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-classroom [02:35] Hi [02:36] Hey [02:36] What's your chipset [02:36] ? [02:36] alright so I have a broadcom chipset which I know are a bi*** to get working [02:36] i386 or amd64? [02:37] I have tried following a guide that is made for my laptop, but it is supposedly crap [02:37] or powerpc? :P [02:37] i386 [02:37] nalioth: do you mean that old, not officially supported platform? [02:37] ;) [02:38] I tried this guide but the first two steps didn't remove ndiswrapper [02:38] http://ubuntu1501.blogspot.com/2007/01/fixing-wifi-on-dell-1501.html [02:38] BigMac: have you seen this: http://ubuntu.cafuego.net/dists/feisty-cafuego/all/ [02:39] then if you scroll down I followed the poster named c0ld instructions [02:39] using bcm43xx-fwcutter driver [02:39] no I will check it now [02:39] anything is worth an attempt [02:40] Re. removing ndiswrapper: [02:41] The kernel module is part of the default install. Make sure it is not listed in /etc/modules [02:42] You may also want to blacklist it: sudo sh -c 'echo blacklist ndiswrapper >/etc/modprobe.d/blacklist-ndiswrapper' [02:42] Although that's probably overkill [02:42] But you do want to be sure that the rmmod worked. [02:42] the rmmod did nothing [02:42] gave an error if I recall [02:43] lsmod | grep -q ^ndiswrapper && echo ndiswrapper is still loaded [02:43] didn't echo anything to me [02:44] and I don't see a modules folder in etc [02:44] It's a file, and I'd be surprised if you didn't have it at all... [02:45] I can paste the output to pastebin, but nothing was output from that snipper [02:45] snippet [02:45] How about cat /etc/modules ? [02:47] http://rafb.net/p/O3ASlr23.html [02:47] Fine [02:47] should I run the commands on that site you linked me to? [02:48] It looks to me like the firmware on that site should be the same as the firmware you've already prepared with fwcutter [02:49] Ok so what should I be doing [02:50] Try again [02:50] but don't disable the connections like c0ld says [02:51] Set them to "Roaming mode" if you want to set it up through networkmanager [02:52] I didn't get that far [02:52] I just went through 1-3 [02:52] clicked my network [02:52] and it wouldn't connect [02:52] SO I should disable everything? [02:53] No, read what I said [02:53] ok [02:54] sorry I don't know where to adjust those settings, I looked in network tools [02:55] One above, in Networking [02:56] It says roaming mode enabled already [02:56] That's good then [02:56] ok [02:57] so what else should I be doing [02:57] Can you do a iwlist ap [02:57] surr [02:57] sure [02:57] What's your interface name? [02:58] http://rafb.net/p/rUDts424.html [02:58] I see, you haven't got a wireless device yet [02:58] My SSID? Otherwise I don't know what you mean [02:59] You have two wired Ethernet sockets? [02:59] I am not sure what you mean [03:00] Sorry I am usually not this computer illiterate [03:00] I do have a built in wifi card, and I have one ethernet port on the back [03:01] Are you connected through the Ethernet right now? [03:01] Yup [03:01] Is that eth0? [03:01] yes [03:03] Have you got the bcm43xx module loaded? Check with [03:03] lsmod | grep ^bcm === cyril_ [n=cyril@cable-195-162-211-223.upc.chello.be] has joined #ubuntu-classroom [03:05] http://rafb.net/p/KXovG972.html [03:06] The driver is loaded, then [03:07] ? [03:07] SHouldn't it be working then [03:07] BTW, I don't mind you pasting a few lines here. It's the main channel where pasting can be a major problem. [03:07] Oh ok [03:07] I don't know, I'm trying the same thing here, and it doesn't work, either... [03:08] Driver loads, but no new interface appears [03:08] hmm [03:09] Perhaps I should try the actual driver in that guide, but the first 2 commands do nothing [03:10] The ones to remove ndiswrapper? [03:11] yah [03:12] The rmmod command worked. You have no ndiswrapper module now. [03:12] ok [03:12] so should I try the guide all the way through then report back [03:12] To check whether ndiswrapper-utils is installed, do a [03:12] or do you think it is not worth it [03:12] dpkg -l ndiswr* [03:13] Difficult question [03:13] moyers@moyLAPTOP:~$ dpkg -l ndiswr* [03:13] Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold [03:13] | Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed [03:13] |/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: uppercase=bad) [03:13] ||/ Name Version Description [03:13] +++-==============-==============-============================================ [03:13] un ndiswrapper-mo (no description available) [03:14] It is just irritating knowing that wifi does work on my laptop, I like ubuntu way more then windows for coding, but yet I have never been able to get wireless working [03:16] You've successully removed that package [03:16] ok [03:16] so continue the guide? [03:17] I don't know [03:18] It would be nicer to get it to work without ndiswrapper [03:18] and without bypassing the package system as well [03:18] Sure but I would rather have wifi with ndiswrapper than no wifi [03:18] If I can't get it working without it [03:19] I can see that. [03:20] But if you have more ideas, please go ahead, I am just saying if you are tapped on ideas then i can resort to this [03:20] But I have to let you try without me, I need a bit of sleep now [03:21] I've been searching the web up and down while we were chatting, but haven't found anything useful [03:22] ok I guess I will try and really hope it works [03:22] if not I find somebody else who can help [03:22] Good luck [03:24] BigMac: one more thing [03:24] lspci | grep Broadcom [03:25] What does that give you? [03:26] moyers@moyLAPTOP:~$ lspci | grep Broadcom [03:26] 05:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation Dell Wireless 1390 WLAN Mini-PCI Card (rev 01) [03:26] 08:00.0 Ethernet controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4401-B0 100Base-TX (rev 02) [03:29] Yes, it looks like those instructions apply [03:30] I just found that for my device (4328) there just isn't a driver at all yet. 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Are people IMing? [05:02] sorry for newbie q? === Fezzler [n=christop@cpe-071-075-168-219.carolina.res.rr.com] has left #ubuntu-classroom [] === n2diy [n=darryl@ppp-42d42824.wlks.losch.net] has joined #ubuntu-classroom === DerXero [n=patrick@dslc-082-082-130-080.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-classroom === eAi [n=ubuntu@85-211-194-40.dyn.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-classroom === soundray [n=rolf@dsl-217-155-44-246.zen.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-classroom [06:52] hey === steve__ [n=steve@d142-59-71-166.abhsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-classroom === steve__ [n=steve@d142-59-71-166.abhsia.telus.net] has left #ubuntu-classroom ["Konversation] [06:53] eAi: let's start with grub [06:53] ok [06:53] To simplify things a little, there are two parts to it. [06:53] One is a tiny program that fits into the master boot record of a hard disk drive. [06:54] yep [06:54] stage1 right? [06:54] Yes [06:54] The MBR is outside of all partitions. In fact, I think it contains the partition table as well. [06:55] That part of grub needs to reference the next stage, 1.5. [06:55] ok [06:55] Or is it stage2, I get confused. [06:56] It doesn't matter. [06:56] What matters is that stage 1 needs a pointer to what comes next, so it can load it off the disk. [06:56] ok [06:57] That's what goes into the /grub subdirectory of your /boot partition. [06:58] Once that part is loaded, it goes on to load a kernel. At this point, grub is still dependent on BIOS information. [06:58] Which is why your first attempt with the USB failed. [06:58] ok [06:58] Now let's make a quick digression into partition tables. [06:59] You can have a maximum of four primary partitions on a disk, *or* up to three primaries plus an extended partition. [06:59] The extended partition can contain logical ones. [07:00] fdisk shows all partitions, including the extended one. Some other programs don't. Hence the discrepancy between three and four partitions that you see. [07:01] ok [07:01] Given that you have a new /dev/sda6, I presume you have one primary partition, one extended one and two logicals inside the extended. [07:02] Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System [07:02] /dev/sda1 * 1 5101 40973751 c W95 FAT32 (LBA) [07:02] /dev/sda2 5102 7296 17631337+ f W95 Ext'd (LBA) [07:02] /dev/sda5 5102 7125 16257748+ 7 HPFS/NTFS [07:02] /dev/sda6 7126 7296 1373526 83 Linux [07:02] Yes, that's what I thought. sda5 and sda6 are the logical ones inside sda2 [07:03] ok [07:03] The next step is to copy the required data to your /dev/sda6 [07:03] How we do this depends on how you are currently set up. ? [07:03] Running Windows right now? [07:04] no, Ubuntu live cd [07:04] eAi: okay, that's where you ran gparted from, correct? [07:04] yes [07:05] BTW, what version of ubuntu? [07:05] 7.04 [07:05] Did you have to apt-get install gparted? [07:05] no [07:06] was in the System->Administration menu [07:06] It's included, that's what I thought. Someone claimed the opposite yesterday. [07:06] Nm [07:06] well, its fairly obvious, right there at the top [07:06] What do you get from a 'sudo mount /dev/sda6 /mnt'? I'm hoping for silence. [07:08] correct [07:08] nothing [07:09] Do a "sudo sh -c 'date >/mnt/datelabel' " to see if you can write to it [07:09] Should be silent, too. [07:10] silent [07:10] What's the partition name of your ubuntu installation, ie. external hard disk? [07:11] /dev/sdb2 [07:12] eAi: we need to mount that to another mount point. [07:12] sudo mkdir /media/sdb2 [07:12] mount /dev/sdb2 /media/sdb2 [07:12] should both be silent [07:13] sorry [07:13] sudo mount /dev/sdb2 /media/sdb2 [07:13] ok, done [07:13] Now we need to copy the whole /boot directory contents to the new partition. [07:14] sudo cp -a /boot/* /mnt/ [07:14] actually... [07:14] sudo cp -av /boot/* /mnt/ [07:14] That way you'll know what's going on [07:14] ok, done [07:15] Now the Ubuntu installation needs to know about the new location of the /boot data [07:16] ok [07:16] echo '/dev/sda6 /boot ext3 defaults 0 2' | sudo tee -a /media/sdb2/etc/fstab' [07:17] before you do that... [07:17] sudo cp /media/sdb2/etc/fstab /media/sdb2/etc/fstab-backup [07:17] just to be safe ;) [07:19] hm [07:19] that gives a > prompt [07:19] my fault [07:19] Ctrl-C that [07:19] then arrow-up and remove the quote mark from the end. [07:20] ah ok [07:21] yeah it just echoed out that part in quotes to the console [07:21] Do a cat /media/sdb2/etc/fstab and see if the new line is there [07:22] yeah it is [07:22] theres 5 uncommented lines [07:22] Good. Next step is to adapt the grub configuration to the new location. [07:23] ok [07:23] Could you paste the whole /mnt/grub/menu.lst to http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org [07:25] and give me the URL [07:25] sure [07:25] well, its empty [07:26] which makes that kind of redundant ;) [07:26] What about [07:26] ls /mnt/grub [07:26] is that empty, too? [07:26] device.map [07:26] Is that all? [07:26] yes [07:27] ls /media/sdb2/boot/ [07:27] anything there? [07:27] yep [07:27] abi-2.6.20-15-generic initrd.img-2.6.20-15-generic.bak [07:27] config-2.6.20-15-generic memtest86+.bin [07:27] grub System.map-2.6.20-15-generic [07:27] initrd.img-2.6.20-15-generic vmlinuz-2.6.20-15-generic [07:27] eAi: the copying step hasn't worked then [07:28] No /mnt/datelabel, that's worrying [07:28] thats odd [07:28] i cd'd to mnt [07:28] and its all there [07:28] one sec [07:29] it just hasn't copied all the grub stuff [07:29] ls /mnt ? [07:29] abi-2.6.20-15-generic lost+found [07:29] config-2.6.20-15-generic memtest86+.bin [07:29] datelabel System.map-2.6.20-15-generic [07:29] grub vmlinuz-2.6.20-15-generic [07:29] initrd.img-2.6.20-15-generic.bak [07:30] I did the copy again and it did the same [07:30] it just copied on grub/* file [07:30] Is there a /mnt/grub/menu.lst now? [07:30] no [07:30] sudo cp -av /boot/grub/* ./grub [07:30] copies one file [07:31] that copy is wrong [07:31] Yes, it's the wrong source [07:31] sorry [07:31] yes [07:31] :) [07:31] sudo cp /media/sdb2/boot/* /mnt/ [07:31] sudo cp -av /media/sdb2/boot/* /mnt/ [07:31] ok, better [07:32] Now let me see your /mnt/grub/menu.lst pls [07:33] one sec [07:36] http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/20519/ [07:37] I'll go through that, edit it in a few places and paste it back. Be patient pls ;) [07:37] of course :) [07:37] thanks btw, really helpful [07:42] eAi: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/20521/ [07:42] I hope these are right. Make a backup of the existing menu.lst for reference. [07:43] You'll see that I put (hd0,5), this is the grub name of your /dev/sda6 [07:44] yeah I saw [07:44] copied in [07:44] We should be ready to put grub in the MBR now. [07:45] sudo grub-install --root-directory=/mnt /dev/sda [07:45] Any errors? [07:46] oops [07:47] Have you done that already? [07:47] Installation finished. No error reported. [07:47] This is the contents of the device map /mnt/boot/grub/device.map. [07:47] Check if this is correct or not. If any of the lines is incorrect, [07:47] fix it and re-run the script `grub-install'. [07:47] (fd0) /dev/fd0 [07:47] (hd0) /dev/sda [07:47] (hd1) /dev/sdb [07:47] I see [07:48] that right? [07:48] The problem now is that grub created a boot directory inside /mnt, which itself is later going to be /boot [07:49] Not a problem, let's sideline that new directory [07:49] sudo mv /mnt/boot /mnt/boot-mistake [07:49] Then create a symbolic link in /mnt named boot, pointing to itself [07:50] cd /mnt ; sudo ln -sf . boot [07:50] Then redo the grub-install [07:50] done [07:50] sudo grub-install --root-directory=/mnt /dev/sda [07:50] Installation finished. No error reported. [07:50] This is the contents of the device map /mnt/boot/grub/device.map. [07:50] Check if this is correct or not. If any of the lines is incorrect, [07:50] fix it and re-run the script `grub-install'. [07:50] (hd0) /dev/sda [07:50] (hd1) /dev/sdb [07:51] Hmm, it's strange that it dropped the fd0 now [07:51] Not a problem, you're not booting from floppy. [07:51] don't even have a floppy drive [07:52] Let's think this through now [07:52] Grub will load from /dev/sda and load its config etc. from /dev/sda6 [07:52] Then it'll boot the kernel... [07:52] oops [07:53] remember I still want to be able to boot Windows sometimes ;) [07:53] That's not a problem, grub knows all about your Vista ;) [07:53] But we need to change the location of the kernel back to /boot/... now [07:54] which means I have to give you another menu.lst [07:55] http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/20522/ [07:55] This needs to go to /mnt/grub/menu.lst again [07:56] Okay, now the kernel knows where to find itself, so to speak, once grub loads it. [07:56] copied that in [07:56] I think it's done. Wanna try to reboot? [07:59] ok :) [07:59] if it doesn't work I'll have to reboot using the live cd and install xchat again [07:59] so I may be some time... [07:59] eAi: either that, or connect with gaim instead (should be on the CD already) [07:59] ok [08:00] I'll be back! [08:00] eAi: I'll stay logged in for another while [08:00] k === eAi [n=ed@85-211-194-40.dyn.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-classroom [08:08] it worked! [08:08] Excellent. [08:08] thanks a lot :) [08:09] Have you tried booting your horrible closed source OS, too? [08:09] haven't tested if windows still works [08:09] no [08:09] i've actually got Vista and XP installed, but I never use Vista [08:09] someone gave it to me free ;) [08:09] Well, I trust that it'll work. If not, you can always ask again on the main channel [08:10] ok [08:10] Are you sorted then? ;) [08:11] well a few other questions [08:11] I'm all eyes [08:11] like, is there a way to get double-tap (on the laptop's trackpad) to work for dragging? [08:12] its hardly major, but it'd be useful [08:12] eAi: probably. It worked out of the box for me, but you may have to configure the synaptics driver. [08:12] gsynaptics is a useful frontend. [08:13] ok [08:13] gparted isn't installed by default [08:13] it is on the live cd though [08:14] also, is it just me, or does the return/enter key not always work to click the default button [08:14] (the glowing one) [08:14] eAi: that's just you... [08:15] strange [08:15] it keeps happening [08:15] eAi: I'm not sure, I don't get this problem. [08:15] Do you mean dialog buttons, like OK/Cancel, or menus as well? [08:15] works fine selecting menu items === n2diy [n=darryl@66.212.43.248] has joined #ubuntu-classroom [08:15] but for example, if I select a package in the Synaptic Package Manager [08:16] and try to install it [08:16] I get the "Apple the following change" dialog [08:16] and pressing return won't do "Apply" [08:16] eAi: maybe it's not just you [08:17] I tend to use the keyboard for command line work, and the mouse for GUIs [08:17] well, I avoid the mouse as much as I can on my laptop [08:17] Try space if return doesn't do what you expect [08:17] when I don't have a mouse connected [08:17] space didn't work [08:17] tab -> enter worked [08:17] (selecting the checkbox) [08:18] which suggests that whatever is selected by default is not passing the keystroke correctly [08:18] anyway [08:18] i'll live ;) [08:18] wheres xorg.conf? [08:19] /etc/X11 [08:20] that gsynaptics app says I've got to set SHMConfig to true [08:21] but I'm not sure what section that should be in [08:21] and SHMConfig isn't currently in there [08:23] I don't have a Synaptics Touchpad item which one site thinks I maybe should [08:24] http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=975421 [08:24] look at post #8 [08:25] do I have to restart X after I change it? [08:25] eAi: yes [08:26] control + alt + backspace? === eAi [n=ed@85-211-194-40.dyn.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-classroom [08:28] doesn't work :( [08:31] eAi: you have to reference that InputDevice where the current one is also referenced [08:31] in Section ServerLayout [08:32] add an InputDevice "Synaptics Touchpad" [08:32] ? [08:33] Yes [08:33] ok, trying that [08:33] Make sure it exactly matches the Identifier. === eAi [n=ed@85-211-194-40.dyn.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-classroom [08:34] well that fixed it :) [08:34] tap and drag works :) [08:34] Hooray! [08:34] and the config works :) [08:34] config should really be part of ubuntu :) [08:35] judging by the number of posts there are about this kind of thing [08:35] Do you mean gsynaptics? [08:35] yes [08:36] and whatever is required to make it "just work" :) [08:37] well, thanks very much for helping me with this [08:37] Yw [08:38] now, all this stuff has made me forget to eat :( [08:40] heres a quick question - whats the best way to mount an SMB share? [08:45] eAi: that's not a quick question ;) [08:46] eAi: try "Places - Connect to server" [08:46] eAi: if you want a permanent mount, add it to /etc/fstab. I'll give you an example line from mine: [08:47] /fsg/media /var/lib/media cifs credentials=/root/.creds,uid=1000,gid=1000 0 1 [08:47] if that fails to mount, will it cause any problems? [08:47] (e.g. if the laptop is off the network) [08:48]