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[12:28] <cycom> There is apparently an update for the kernel for bluetooth (according to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/92111).  Any idea when the new release will be?
[12:28] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 92111 in linux-source-2.6.20 "Feisty: Bluetooth does not until 'hciconfig hci0 reset'" [Medium,In progress]  
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[07:16] <Saied> can anyone help me in usplash?
[07:18] <minghua> Saied: if you want help for installing or configuring usplash, please go to #ubuntu
[07:19] <Saied> minghua: OK
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=== enyc would like to know if people still seem to run into problems with #!/bin/sh  bash-dependant-scripts... particuarly with 3rd-party-software... or if this "is rarely a problem any more" ;-)  thanks..
[11:18] <enyc> I suspect that a lot of upstream people have fixed their scripts  and that there are still  problems about some places..
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[12:13] <Hobbsee> hi all
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[12:14] <geser> Hi Hobbsee
[12:14] <geser> back home?
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[12:14] <Hobbsee> geser: nope - flying out in ~ 5.5 hours
[12:15] <Kmos> Hobbsee: turn off laptop and do a little travel :)
[12:16] <Hobbsee> Kmos: soon :P
[12:16] <Kmos> Interview with Sebastian Trug lead developer of k3b
[12:16] <Kmos> http://club.mandriva.com/xwiki/bin/view/Main/TruegInterview
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[02:24] <pygi> hi giskard 
[02:24] <giskard> hey :)
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[02:30] <pygi> how goes it?
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=== Treenaks home from UDS \o/
[05:14] <sladen> Treenaks: that was fast.  I have your DV cable
[05:14] <Treenaks> sladen: oh. oops :)
[05:15] <Treenaks> sladen: you can keep it
[05:16] <Treenaks> I have more here :)
[05:17] <sladen> Treenaks: handy.  spares!  I'll use it now and keep it in my bag
[05:17] <sladen> Treenaks: NL right?
[05:17] <Treenaks> sladen: yes
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[05:37] <Simira> http://tellus.err.no/files/IMG_0979.jpg
[05:37] <Simira> who wants one?
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[05:42] <Treenaks> Simira: or http://www.cafepress.com/cp/prod.aspx?p=foodfight.132171648
[05:42] <Treenaks> Simira: (you mean the penguin?)
[05:46] <Simira> the penguin, yes :)
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[06:06] <ompaul> one single little comment - that was awesome thanks to those of you I met
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[06:11] <Treenaks> ompaul: np ;)
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[06:24] <ProN00b> someone told me that ubuntu has no kernel upstream at all, is that true ?
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[06:25] <pygi> ProN00b, ergh, ofcourse it does
[06:25] <ProN00b> can i have numbers ?
[06:25] <pygi> don't listen to "someone", whoever that may be
[06:25] <pygi> numbers? o.O
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[06:25] <ProN00b> well, how many patches it contributed since like kernel 2.6.16
[06:25] <mjg59> Many
[06:26] <pygi> I don't know the figures, but ... :)
[06:26] <ProN00b> i need some figures
[06:26] <mjg59> Why?
[06:27] <ProN00b> to slap them in this guys face
[06:27] <pygi> ProN00b, ah, dude
[06:27] <pygi> there's no point in fighting on such things
[06:27] <ProN00b> he is so proud of "21 kernel patches from 2.6.16 to 2.6.21"
[06:27] <mjg59> It really depends on what you mean.
[06:28] <hile> just W%# unbelievable, just checked the gutsy package for cryptsetup and it STILL does not wait for the block device on boot and will fail miserably with SATA disks on fast laptops
[06:28] <mjg59> Nobody working on Ubuntu is paid full-time to do upstream development work on the kernel.
[06:28] <mjg59> And the amount of code that Ubuntu contributes to the upstream kernel is tiny compared to Novell and RH.
[06:28] <hile> ... a bug for which multiple patches have been suggested, which was reported 8 months ago and which makes the package unusable on many systems (just fails booting)
[06:29] <hile> I just #%&3 give up trying to get it fixed, ty
[06:29] <Ng> hile: the gutsy package is the same as the feisty one at the moment. It's still very, very early in gutsy development - the summit only just finished!
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[06:29] <hile> no it's not same one, it's got patches from debian side (which is here to blame, not ubuntu pkg)
[06:30] <pygi> patience, patience :)
[06:30] <Ng> hile: *shrug* they have identical version numbers according to packages.u.c
[06:30] <hile> oh? well then there are changes made to the package after a working fix was reported for a problem preventing booting
[06:31] <hile> I just thought the package does not get updated in general.. sigh
[06:31] <hile> as I said - I give up
[06:31] <hile> sorry for the rant, but the #&# bugfix is a oneliner....
[06:32] <mjg59> ProN00b: However, any patches to the Ubuntu kernel do go upstream. The issue is that most diverging code in the Ubuntu kernel is already upstream in one form or another, so there's no point in feeding it back
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[06:32] <Ng> ah, packages.u.c must be behind, LP is showing a newer version in feisty
[06:32] <Ng> err, gutsy
[06:33] <Ng> hile: giving up isn't a good solution though, it would be better to find someone who maintains the package and talk to them about getting the fix in
[06:34] <Ng> (which is unlikely right now since people are probably still returning from UDS)
[06:35] <hile> I have talked many, many times, that's why I give up
[06:35] <ProN00b> mjg59, you still have any idea how to get numbers ?
[06:35] <mjg59> ProN00b: 30 or so sounds like an entirely plausible number.
[06:35] <pygi> hile, what package is it?
[06:36] <hile> cryptsetup
[06:36] <pygi> and one advice for you: never, *NEVER* give up ^_^
[06:37] <hile> there's the patch in all it's complexness (actually 2 fixes, only one is critical): http://ner.dy.fi/deb/cryptsetup/edgy/cryptsetup-edgy.patch
[06:37] <pygi> hile, ok, and what's stopping you from creating a debdiff? ;_
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[06:37] <pygi> ;)
[06:37] <mjg59> Maybe 100 or so
[06:38] <pygi> I'm actually perfectly capable of helping you re-create package, create a debdiff and introduce you to the upload process
[06:38] <mjg59> pygi: The fact that it's not his job? If people submit patches and they never get applied, that's our failing, not theirs
[06:38] <hile> I just don't care anymore, I'll continue with the unofficial packages and shutup
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[06:38] <pygi> mjg59, that is true :-/
[06:38] <pygi> hile, please point me to the LP bug where I can see attached patches ... I'll try to make sure to get them up
[06:38] <mjg59> We simply don't have anywhere enough people handling bugs
[06:39] <Ng> I see what looks like several bugs relating to lvm and cryptsetup, so there should probably be some merging and confirming
[06:40] <hile> the boot bug is reported at least 3 times
[06:40] <Ng> hile: do you have the bug numbers?
[06:40] <hile> i can dig yeah
[06:41] <Ng> I appreciate you're frustrated though, so thanks :)
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[06:42] <mjg59> ProN00b: If his assertion is that Ubuntu makes relatively little contribution to the upstream kernel, then he's absolutely right. That's slowly changing as the company get bigger.
[06:45] <hile> well, at least 21878 72517 - everything started with breezy already, but those numbers are not valid anymore
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[06:46] <hile> I think there are others, those are ones I've been tracking (went through my Bugs folder, that's why it took some time :)
[06:47] <hile> there are still lvm/evms handling scripts in cryptsetup, which are not needed in the new async initramfs images (and my feisty patches did exactly that)
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[07:09] <pygi> hi phanatic and mdz 
[07:09] <phanatic> hey pygi
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[07:40] <pureDesi> How would I make an if statement that checks if $0's length is greater than  3?
[07:40] <pureDesi> in bash
[07:40] <ion_> Please see the topic.
[07:41] <pureDesi> bleh
[07:41] <pureDesi> mind answering it though, I assume it has a simple answer
[07:42] <pygi> ion_, :)
[07:42] <ion_> Hi pygi
[07:42] <pygi> hi, how are you?
[07:43] <ion_> Okayish. :-) How are you?
[07:43] <pygi> good, good, working on some nice newish stuff :)
[07:43] <ion_> For libburn?
[07:43] <pygi> libisofs
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[09:46] <adam0509> I think launching "system monitor" with CTRL + ALT + DEL could be usefull for people comming from windows...
[09:46] <adam0509> I got a friend trying to make CTRL + ALT + SUPPR when his firefox crashes
[09:47] <adam0509> it's a natural shortcut for everyone ^^
[09:50] <adam0509> (gnome-system-monitor)
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[09:58] <psusi> anyone know d-i fairly well?
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[10:10] <Fahuadai> crtl+alt+del is a shortcut i set to sysGuard anyways. be nice to have it defaulted for new windows ppl though...
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[10:10] <Fahuadai> (super slow reply lol)
[10:34] <adam0509> I can even set the shorcut in gnome, the "keyboard shortcut" doesn't allow custom command... :/
[10:34] <adam0509> even XFCE can do it !
[10:34] <geser> it's possible but you have to use gconf-editor
[10:35] <adam0509> the regedit of linux ? ;)
[10:35] <geser> sort of :)
[10:35] <adam0509> :D
[10:37] <adam0509> do you know exactly where to add the thing geser ?
[10:38] <adam0509> (and I'll add it to french wiki ^^)
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[10:42] <geser> adam0509: for metacity it's /apps/metacity/global_keybindings/run_command_1 to run_command_12 to specify the key to trigger it and /apps/metacity/keybinding_commands/command_1 to command_12 for the corresponding commands
[10:42] <geser> you need to set both to get it working: the key and the command which should get bind to it
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[11:14] <adam0509> geser => k thank you ! run_command_1 to <Ctrl><Alt>Delete   then run_command to "gnome-system-panel"
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[11:30] <`23meg> adam0509, it's not a good idea as a default
[11:30] <adam0509> why ?
[11:30] <`23meg> del is very close to backspace on many new keyboards; it would lead to disastrous ctrl + alt + backspaces
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[11:32] <adam0509> ROFL
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[11:32] <adam0509> yeah you are right...
[11:32] <adam0509> didn't think about it...
[11:34] <adam0509> so
[11:35] <adam0509> CTRL + ALT + ESCAPE ?
[11:35] <adam0509> it calls xkill in KDE and XFCE...
[11:36] <adam0509> it seems it already do something, but that shorcut don't seems usefull...
[11:39] <`23meg> it selects between the GNOME panel and the desktop
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[11:39] <adam0509> that's what I say, it's useless
[11:39] <`23meg> it's a GNOME default and has been so for quite a while; people used to navigating with the keyboard must be used to it
[11:40] <`23meg> useless for you, perhaps
[11:40] <adam0509> :)
[11:40] <adam0509> in fact that shorcut is ALT + ESPACE
[11:40] <`23meg> defaults affect everyone, not just you
[11:40] <adam0509> so CTRL + ESCAPE is still possible
[11:41] <`23meg> no it's not
[11:41] <adam0509> ? why ?
[11:41] <`23meg> I mean, it's not alt + esc
[11:42] <adam0509> it's ALT + escape that select between GNOME PANEL and desktop
[11:42] <`23meg> and when you make it something like ctrl + esc, you lose the basic premise, that ex-Windows users will find it comfortable, right?
[11:42] <adam0509> not CTRL + ALT + ESCAPE
[11:43] <`23meg> no, alt + esc selects between windows in the same workspace
[11:43] <adam0509> well in fact in windows CTRL + ESCAPE is like the SUPER (M$ logo)
[11:43] <adam0509> ah, right...
[11:43] <adam0509> so what shorcut do we have left ? :)
[11:43] <`23meg> so again, the "advantage" is lost
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