[12:26] kdisset - yuk Qt [12:28] team will allow the bugs to be assigned easier, to peoeple in the team [12:28] as bugs in mythtv will affect both, but not bugs in mythbuntu [12:28] good point [12:28] Currently the team consists of people helping with both [12:28] maybe split the team when mythbuntu gets bigger? [12:28] there isnt really a clear cut middle defined about the two [12:28] yeah, however that will change as it get bigger [12:29] can teams have alaisas? [12:29] Teams can be Members of other teams [12:29] so make a mythbuntu team and add the mythtv team to it [12:30] yep, but can 1 team have 2 namese? [12:30] superm1: otheer way waround [12:30] So if you join the mythbuntu team your automatically a member of mythtv team but not the other way around - that does sound best [12:32] well i'm not sure which way is better [12:32] mythbuntu members arent necessairly interested in bugs related only to mythtv [12:32] mythtv group includes bugs for mythtv in ubuntu [12:32] so you would think mythbuntu members dont want to get mythtv bugs [12:32] but only mythbuntu bugs [12:32] people who help with mythtv won't necessarily want to help with mythbuntu - other way round i suspect they do [12:33] maybe we should leave it until there is a need to change it :) [12:33] ok [12:33] works for me [12:33] as long as kdissert can make a jpg or png in the end, i think its ideal for this [12:33] for mind mapping [12:34] so who is putting these goals into launchpad? [12:34] should be able to [12:34] from what i'm trying here [12:34] DaveMorris, well voluntered [12:34] haha [12:34] won't be tonight [12:34] i'll do the flow chart and initialize the new bzr branch [12:34] Let's clariffy [12:35] * DaveMorris is working on (seeing if we can) package openchrome drivers for mini-itx [12:35] * super1 is working on an install flow chart [12:35] I am working on twiddling my thumbs? [12:35] looks like Daviey is doing the LP stuff :) [12:35] LP stuff? [12:36] a launchpad [12:36] :`( [12:36] so we let Daviey know the hardware we have access to, or shall w e put it on the wiki? [12:37] Put it on a wiki i think [12:37] and we'll link to it [12:37] put it under the mythtv team's wiki page [12:37] s [12:37] nice big table :) [12:37] that way we can all add to it as needed [12:37] once we've got t he project running I might email VIA seeing if we can have some hardware to test on etc === Daviey only has standard hardware - is that worth testing? [12:37] and blog about [12:38] DaveMorris, not if i beat you to it [12:38] well yes it is, because we all have a variety of tuners and such [12:38] Daviey: I wouldn't really do it now, I'd wait till we have the 1st release out [12:38] and hard drive configurations and such [12:38] Fair nuff === DaveMorris has Hauupage Nova-T DVB cards and a Nova-T 500 [12:39] I have an old Analog BT capture card i might try [12:39] only problem my g/f won't be happy with me killing the TV [12:39] Production machine has 2 x Nova-T cards [12:39] I might have to save up and buy another tuner card, and email hauppage for some cards :) [12:40] i currently have a bunch of hauppauge cards and a air2pc. I'll have a HD Home run in the near future too [12:40] when do we switch to gutsy? [12:40] I want to know when the Sky & NTL/Virgin Media are going to put firewire into their boxes [12:41] how can I find out what my root password is for mysql? === DaveMorris wonders if we could have a sponsors page on the site for people who donate hardware? [12:41] DaveMorris, maybe after first release :) [12:41] DaveMorris, your keen for freebies! ;) [12:42] tgm4883_laptop, probably not until the first of the gutsy herds (whatever their names will be) [12:42] if we could do it now, I'll bug LoudmouthMan first [12:42] a [12:42] h [12:42] Daviey: I cacn't afford new hardware, and would prefer not to test with production machinese, my sparee machines are all under 1Ghz [12:43] same here, i'll get burrried in the garden if it's offline for any amount of time [12:43] williammanda_, try http://www.tech-faq.com/reset-mysql-password.shtml [12:43] williammanda_, that will reset root password - not that it should matter [12:44] well resetting is easier with sudo dpkg-reconfigure mysql-server-5.0 [12:44] I can test backends easily, but its my mini-itx box thats not easy, doesn't even have a cd drive in it :( [12:44] superm1, no it all :) [12:45] need to go for a bit [12:45] brb [12:54] superm1: i'm using dh_install --exclude=configfiles now [12:54] it looks pretty sane to me [12:54] ah that is much much cleaner [12:55] gotta add an --exclude=.svn :) [12:56] anyway I'm off guys [12:56] before I end up at the end of the garden [12:57] DaveMorris, i hear there are faeries at the end of the garden [12:57] later DaveMorris [12:57] Daviey, will you have the LP stuff up today you think? [12:57] doubt it [12:57] 3 mins left [12:57] of today [12:57] :P [12:58] i have 23:03 left of today [12:58] oh you UK people... [12:58] gardengnome, you should be in bed by now [12:58] superm1, can you start working on UK time? [12:58] would make things easyier [12:59] well starting next week we'll see how much i'm on during the day - it might just be UK time only for me:) [12:59] superm1, hmm - not sure exactly what to add [12:59] well make a mythbuntu team at least [12:59] ah okay [12:59] and see if you can get specs better written for things that need to go into mythbuntu now [12:59] i'll add the bzr branch after i'm done with the flow chart [12:59] i'll need to go to bed soon -> but i'll see what i can do [12:59] at which point we can rip the old 140 meg one [01:00] k [01:00] dump the whole branch [01:00] unless we want to look at old changes? [01:00] doubt it [01:01] thats what i was thinking [01:01] hmm [01:01] has imbrandon set up mythbuntu.org's email yet [01:02] Dont think so === DaveMorris [n=dave@89.243.43.236] has left #ubuntu-mythtv [] [01:02] haha i was just going to ping him in -motu too [01:02] lol [01:02] shame - would be good to have a single point of contact that emails us all [01:02] finally beat me to something we thought at the same time today [01:02] i win for a change :) [01:02] hehe ^^ [01:02] and i beat you to saying that [01:03] 3:2 [01:03] it shows up for me first here... [01:03] doh! [01:03] its all about latency [01:03] blame lag [01:03] ^^ [01:03] Daviey: no worries, i'm going to bed now ;) [01:03] nn [01:04] only problem with this mind mapping software is that it is all trees [01:04] so you can only have one parent [01:04] only need one parent, surely? [01:05] well when you have questions that only are used for certain things, but dont influence later parts [01:05] oic [01:05] you'll see when i've got it finished up [01:08] well i think i have an idea for what to do at least - several trees that branch off these steps [01:08] this thing is gonna be massive [01:11] :) [01:19] right "ubuntu-mythtv" is the owner of mythbuntu [01:20] think that's the right thing? [01:20] i thought we were thinking the other way around? [01:20] so mythbuntu people didnt get all ubuntu-mythtv bugs [01:20] that's what i thought [01:21] so you would want ubuntu-mythtv to be a member of mythbuntu [01:21] but not the "owner" [01:21] hey guys ...i just reset my root password using this...dpkg-reconfigure mysql-server-5.0 [01:21] so mythbuntu members arent members of ubuntu-mythtv [01:21] there is a subteam option [01:21] k williammanda_ [01:21] ah [01:21] i still can't login to phpadmin [01:21] your doing it locally right? [01:22] yep [01:22] as in from http://localhost [01:22] is mysql running? [01:22] mysql running [01:22] superm1, do you want to be the 'owner'? [01:22] http://localhost/phpmyadmin [01:23] access denied for user www-data@localhost using password "YES" [01:24] i type in root as the user and my password [01:24] sure Daviey [01:25] williammanda_, hm [01:25] i'd say reinstall phpmyadmin [01:25] ok [01:25] by sudo apt-get remove --purge phpmyadmin [01:25] and then sudo apt-get install phpmyadmin [01:25] maybe some permissions didnt properly populate during install [01:26] superm1, can you add team mythbuntu to ubuntu-mythtv? [01:26] sure [01:27] actually before you do.. wait 1 [01:27] wait i'm still not sure we have that right, that means that [01:27] mythbuntu people get ubuntu-mythtv notes [01:27] i swear its gotta be the other way around [01:27] hmm [01:27] that would imply all mythbuntu members can also modify ubuntu-mythtv stuff [01:27] lemme work it out. [01:28] Mythbuntu people have an interest in mythtv [01:28] right [01:28] mythtv people don't (assume) have an interest in mythbuntu [01:28] but they shouldnt have write permissions to mythtv stuff [01:28] good point [01:28] joining ubuntu-mythtv lets them modify mythtv's bzr branch [01:28] the argument for interests can go both ways i think [01:28] keep them seperate then? [01:30] lol [01:30] maybe [01:30] maybe that is the best solution [01:30] and people with an interest in both can join both [01:34] sounds like a plan [01:34] hum...this killing me :) [01:35] now it doesn't deny me but after i login...it comes right back to the login screen [01:35] williammanda_, what happened to your mysql server that things got all wacked up like this? [01:35] db corruption? [01:36] installed mythtv 2 weeks ago...and its working.....installed phpmyadmin...wasn't ever able to login [01:37] did you ever manually change passwords with mysql commands or anything like that? [01:37] yes [01:37] wonder if that did you in [01:37] for mythtv [01:38] i install mythtv on four computers....wanted a password I could remember easily [01:41] you changed it with dpkg-reconfigure mythtv-common right? [01:42] yes [01:42] well then things shouldnt have been any trouble . [01:42] hm [01:43] if i keep retrying to login.....php opens [01:43] strange [01:43] the source opens? [01:43] admin screen [01:43] clear your FF cache, and history [01:43] and close out FF and open it back up [01:43] to repair database [01:43] ah [01:51] see what you think Daviey [01:52] hmm 101% received [01:52] hm. [01:52] thats interesting [01:53] i only sent 100 percent of it... [01:53] I must have picked something extra on the way :D [01:53] looks good [01:53] why start VLC and Firefox? === a5benwillis [n=benwilli@71-12-14-250.dhcp.gnvl.sc.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [01:54] those are options on the disk [01:54] wanted to cover all the possibilities for what it can do [01:54] and what is involved with doing them [01:54] why would somebody need to? [01:54] "Ask for backend info" mythfrontend will do that automatically... [01:55] for simplicity can't 'standard' install rejoin the advanced install tree? [01:55] branch rather [01:55] well its done right now by dpkg-reconfigure mythtv-common [01:55] prior to starting mythfrontend [01:56] Im baack [01:56] because the backend is installed on the disk [01:56] and it will try to connect to that backend otherwise [01:56] anyone know if lirc should "generate the carrier signal with software" with a homebrew serial receiver. [01:56] so have a gtk dialog that issues a mysql command? [01:57] a gtk dialog indeed [01:57] a5benwillis, IIRC it recommends one way or the other "If you have a hombrew select......" can't remember which [01:57] superm1, i'll work on that :) [01:58] its there already thought [01:58] *though [01:58] Is it?! [01:58] take a look at the latest ISO. [01:58] yes [01:58] you've been a busy bunny [01:58] hehe [01:58] this was all last week right after finals finished [01:59] Is the src for that in bzr? [01:59] thats the stuff i have to merge i think [01:59] Na, it was already there [01:59] before my other changes needed to be thrown in [02:00] wow...like giving birth :) [02:00] hmm - if DaveMorris can't package the ITX drivers - then we should probably have a redirect URL under mythbuntu pointing to the src for it - incase ITX move the location [02:00] this is my big time to work on stuff, since i start my internship monday, and i dont know how busy i will be yet throughout the summer during the days and such [02:01] who is your internship with? [02:01] well adding a build env to the disk takes a lot of space [02:01] IBM [02:01] nice.... [02:02] i tried to auto load irexec & using sessions-startup.... [02:02] williammanda_, with ubuntu-mythtv-frontend? [02:02] or gnome [02:02] but it doesn't seem to work [02:02] gnome [02:02] i had to toy with that myself on my desktop machine too. [02:02] ok [02:02] trying to think of a way around it.. hopefully VIA will allow redistribution [02:02] my end solution was to have a shell script that was called instead [02:03] ok [02:03] and in it i did killall irexec && irexec -d [02:03] k [02:03] because the gnome gui didnt like arguments [02:03] williammanda_, do you need irexec? [02:03] did you graduate? [02:03] if not on the disk, hopefully at least in some binary form [02:03] i graduate later this year (Dec) [02:03] yes...need irexec....start mythtv and xine with it [02:03] superm1, why so late? [02:04] took 2 semesters off for other internships [02:04] he's slacking with ubuntu :) [02:04] haha [02:04] williammanda_, ahh, your an xine'er . I prefer Internal player for video's [02:04] so in a sense, its really early [02:04] i'm a xine'er too. [02:04] internal OSD is ugly for videos if the res on the videos is too low [02:04] what's your degree? [02:04] EE [02:05] good [02:05] we can talk circuits then :) [02:05] superm1, true - but i prefer consistency of UI over blockyness [02:05] haha yup [02:05] also internal doesnt handle some of my hidef music vids as well as xine does [02:06] true - crashes out all together using mkv format [02:06] nice - laptop has burn't my leg [02:07] farmers tan on his one leg....you from kentucky? [02:07] Daviey, this change for the date format on the iso build script [02:08] is there a reason for it? [02:08] williammanda_, i'm 51st state [02:08] superm1, imbrandon thought it would be better [02:08] for listing and such [02:08] okay, there are a few other places that need to be updated then yet [02:08] i'll get those handled [02:08] whoops [02:08] me and DaveMorris just thought you were being crazy yanks [02:08] :D [02:11] Not to say we're not [02:11] of course [02:12] with your crazy MMDDYY [02:12] superm1: I got it!!!!!!!!!!!11 [02:13] nice a5benwillis what was it? [02:13] a5benwillis, lirc is now working? [02:13] I now hav codes when testing with mode2 [02:13] a5benwillis, what did you do differently? [02:13] Was there something you had to do that wasn't on the wiki? [02:13] at home now, testing with my actual myth box. must be a difference in the serial port? [02:14] Daviey: There were a few things that werent in the wiki [02:14] a5benwillis, can you add them? [02:14] sure. [02:14] now I need to get through the rest and actually get the remote working with myth..... [02:15] a5benwillis, i remember reading somewhere that there is variance in the protocol motherboard manufactures have with serial ports - maybe it's that [02:15] Im not sure either because I did the exact same thing as I did at work, just a diff machine. [02:16] it's voodo - as i said with mine, i just slept on it and it worked with no changes overnight :s [02:17] wish me luck with decrypting the rest of it and actually making the remote work with myth [02:18] that's the easy part [02:18] what remote is it? [02:18] probably a .lircrc file already made [02:18] harmony 688 [02:19] http://66.102.9.104/search?q=cache:lT6F6LN3yU8J:wiki.knoppmyth.net/index.php%3Fpage%3DLogitech_Harmony_Remote+harmony+688+lirc&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=3&gl=uk [02:19] Daviey, the HTTP_PROXY variable is queried, but http_proxy is whats set. are env variables case sensitive? [02:20] think so [02:20] awesome [02:20] then which one is supposed to be in use i wonder for apt proxies [02:20] superm1, they are case sensitive "echo $shell" is empty :( [02:21] caps is better [02:21] well i think that apps that recognize it use lower case though [02:21] i have no idea [02:22] I've only ever seen cap env. variables [02:22] Anyway.. i need to walk the dog - then bed [02:23] k [02:23] nn [02:25] night Daviey [02:47] so close superm1 [02:47] are you irrecord'ing the harmony? [02:48] still cant get lircd to start, says its not configured. [02:48] or did you find a good conf to go with it? [02:48] Daviey found a file for me [02:48] ah above, lets see what that file says [02:48] I copied it to /etc/lircd.conf [02:48] well you put that lircd.conf stuff in /etc/lirc/lircd.conf right? [02:49] theres your issue^ [02:49] /etc/lirc is where ubuntu (and debian) store it [02:49] as well as /home/mythtv/.mythtv/lir.... === hugolp [n=jo@89.129.129.223] has left #ubuntu-mythtv [] [02:49] yeah, I put it in /etc/lircd.conf [02:49] look closer at what i typed [02:49] /etc/lirc/lircd.conf [02:49] not /etc/lircd.conf === hugolp [n=jo@89.129.129.223] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [02:49] ah [02:50] sweet! [02:50] im such an idiot... [02:51] its typos like that that catch most people [02:51] so now I should be able to run irw and see codes [02:51] but nada.. [02:53] I still get codes via mode2 though so things are loaded properly [03:00] GOT IT [03:00] thanks again superm1!!! [03:00] awesome a5benwillis [03:00] great to hear [03:00] now I need to test in myth and get lirc starting correctly at boot [03:06] woohoo, still works after reboot! [03:06] best day yet here.. [03:13] hehe [03:13] superm1, it'll be a few more days on that usplash--my wife took my laptop to pennsylvania instead of her laptop by mistake...and that's where I've got the stuff saved [03:13] can she mail them? [03:14] maybe...she'll have to figure out how to configure the wireless network in ubuntu, we'll try tomorrow. I've got them finished...just hadn't sent them yet [03:14] she's never used linux [03:14] ooh thats such a shame! [03:14] I should be able to walk her through it tomorrow though and have them to you in the morning [03:15] great. [03:15] i've just got my internet up and going now [03:15] so i'll no longer be disconnected so badly [03:15] nice [03:15] rogue780|mythsvr, are you on launchpad at all/ [03:15] yes [03:16] whats your account? [03:16] rogue780 [03:16] i'm going to assign you to the usplash spec we have [03:16] k [03:19] welcome to the mythbuntu team rogue780|mythsvr :) [03:19] :) === a5benwillis_ [n=benwilli@71-12-14-250.dhcp.gnvl.sc.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === superm1 [n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === tritium [n=tritium@ubuntu/member/tritium] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === hugolp [n=jo@89.129.129.223] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === varka [n=varkatop@p54A5FD33.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === Daviey [n=Daviey@unaffiliated/daviey] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [11:13] hmm [11:18] Hey Daviey [11:18] if your just getting up, that means its bed time for me doesnt it [11:18] yes [11:18] that what i was thinking [11:18] haha [11:18] it's 10:18am here ;) [11:19] re, email address - contact@mythbuntu.org or something [11:19] don't really need a personalised one [11:19] ah okay. wasnt sure what you were looking for in making addresses [11:19] but i knew that we needed a mirrors@ and packages@ [11:19] since both those are on the website [11:20] hehe [11:21] good to see on +1 on the thmes [11:22] yup [11:22] see thats why i'm still awake [11:22] :) [11:22] i was waiting for themuso to finish that off [11:23]