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odatwhat is the terminal command to discover your internal ip address from your router?12:26
h3sp4wnifconfig $1 | awk '/inet addr/ {printf "%s\n", substr($2,6)}' | grep -v ^127 (something like that)12:27
cjaeh3sp4wn, ok it seems just to be libdvdcss12:32
h3sp4wnget it from /msg ubotu seveas12:32
cjaecause I just got another dvd to use xdvdshrink and it worked I guess madagascar has to hard an encyption12:33
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pRrpcheck it.. in xfce.. somethin is weird with xscreensaver.. on boot i get this little 1 inch square that looks barcodelike.. distortion.. but if i wait for the screensaver to come on and i hit a key it disappears.. also i can make it disappear by going into suspend and then waking it up12:37
pRrpi've disabled the screensaver and powersave mode and restarted.. but i still get it.. xscreensaver is still running in processes too.12:37
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nopcodeafter installing the nvidia driver using envy, i'm getting "cannot find -lGL" when linking opengl programs12:52
nopcodeactually i dont have libGL.so in /usr/lib12:52
nopcodeonly libGL.so.112:52
nopcodeand linking that to libGL.so helps but that link is gone after rebooting12:52
nopcodeany hints?12:53
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Riot777anybody know how to hide mounted hard disk icon on xfce desktop ?01:06
Riot777dunno why xubuntu mounted a partition on my desktop it's not removable media01:06
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FrempRrp, I get that also. It shows when restoring from hibernation, right?01:47
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pRrpfrem; nah it shows when i boot up sometimes01:49
pRrpand wont go away until i suspend then wake it up..01:49
FremIt's centered around the mouse pointer for me, there's also some green lines at the top of the screen. I believe it's part of whatever the graphics card has buffered, if that makes any sense. Like, if I've booted Windows recently, I can sometimes make out a messed up version of the windows boot screen.01:49
BrendanMwhat kind of graphics card is it?01:50
FremBut for me, it only shows for a few seconds when I restore from hibernation. I've got an on-board ATI Xpress 200m.01:50
pRrpah. well this is a square box in the top left corner.. it has something to do with xscreensaver.. also i think i need to add some options to my xorg.conf to let my ati adapter work better. this is an old laptop. im sure there's something i can do01:50
nopcodeati? ha-ha! </nelson>01:51
BrendanMAre you using the ati proprietary drivers or the free drivers?01:51
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cjaehow do I change Amules port 4665 to another port maybe in the 55000 + range03:29
cjaeExtended server requests UDP port03:30
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Rynux91I just keep coming back to confuse somebody...03:45
Rynux91weird problem...03:46
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spasticteapotI recently had a system crash, and I'm getting filesystem errors on startup.03:46
Rynux91everytime I try to run terminal, the x desktop enviroment ethier stops, or crashes...03:46
spasticteapotWhere the fnord can I find the logfile, and could someone look over it if I pastedump it somewhere?03:47
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Rynux91then if I'm not running anything...it'll simply ask me to re-login....and if I'm running something...it simply stops working...03:47
chatnoirJust have two minor issues...03:49
spasticteapotchatnoir: Can you tell me where my boot logfile is?03:49
chatnoirboot logfile?03:50
spasticteapotEr, the one that records all the crazy text that comes up on my screen when I boot.03:51
chatnoirin /boot ?03:52
chatnoirI mean in a file located in it...03:53
chatnoircan somebody tell me how to setup my trackpoint device? I'm on Xubuntu Feisty, IBM Thinkpad X2103:55
chatnoir...I just wanna make it more sensitive03:56
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M_42does anyone know how to get your backlight on your lcd to turn off04:08
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M_42anyone know how to force a lcd monitor to turn its backlight off?04:18
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deniz_ogutHi Dear Friends! xubuntu 7.04 Feisty. I'm trying to burn a ISO image but Xfburn is totally silent. I mean I can get to the dialog windowses, but it doesn't burn. What to do?04:28
M_42I use k3b 1.01 (getdeb.net)04:34
M_42to burn cds even though its kde04:34
M_42nero linux is good also but its not free04:34
deniz_ogutM_42: I know about k3b and its a good tool. But I wonder why the default writer of xubuntu is not writing. I made a search and in forums there's discussions that during Feisty era iso burning spec of Xfburn was broken. But it is unbelivable if it is still reamlaining broken in Feisty. I don't want to believe this and I'm trying to learn what I am doing wrong. Otherwise, it means that there's another huge problem. The question is simple: Is there anybo04:42
M_42I could never get it to work04:43
M_42so I went k3b04:43
deniz_ogut*during feisty era= during edgy era.04:45
deniz_ogutM_42: Thank you for answering.04:45
M_42np  nerolinux is also very good04:46
M_42I think there are serials up on mininova04:46
M_42it doesn't use kde-libs04:47
M_42I wish I could figure out how to force my lcd to turn off04:47
M_42the backlight stays on04:47
deniz_ogutM_42: Thanks but now for me the problem is not to find a burning too. There's something weird related with xubuntu as an OS. If xfburn was not working (at least was not working well) how can it be put in the next release, Feisty, as the same. Is it a joke?04:48
M_42i dunno ive seen lots of broken packages04:49
M_42gaim 1.5 stopped working with msn and they never fixed it till the next version of ubuntu came out04:50
M_42OOo had a nasty font problem which was fixed in 2.1 but they never updated04:50
M_42lots of little annoying things04:50
M_42like that04:50
deniz_ogutYes the amazing one being the default terminal emulator. In your opinion, what is to be done? Do we waste our energy by dealing with xubuntu?04:51
spasticteapotdeniz_ogut: What's your problem again?04:51
deniz_ogutIs the best to give our efforts to Ubuntu?04:51
spasticteapotI've NEVER had any trouble with Xubuntu.04:51
spasticteapotIt has a wacky implementation of XFCE to make it more Gnome-like.04:51
deniz_ogutWe were discussing about why I didn't manage to write an ISO image to a CD via xfburn.04:52
spasticteapotGo over to #XFCE for advanced help - they're the guys to ask when you have something like a faulty CD burning problem.04:52
deniz_ogutThis is not XFCE guys problem.04:52
deniz_ogutisn't xubuntu responsible if some tool they put in the package isn't working?04:53
deniz_ogutThen I will install an Ubuntu server and xfce on it.04:53
deniz_ogutWhy there's a xubuntu then?04:53
spasticteapotdeniz_ogut: For people who need a lighter distro than Ubuntu?04:54
spasticteapotPersonally, I think Ubuntu's only saving grace is ease of use - I'm thinking of moving to Arch, but I'd miss Sudo.04:54
deniz_ogutDear frield, I know this need and I USE xubuntu as well.04:54
deniz_ogutand I want xubuntu be good, better etc.04:54
spasticteapotFair 'nuff.04:54
spasticteapotPersonally, I agree.04:55
spasticteapotArch linux, aside from being a bit trickier to use, seems to be vastly superior.04:55
deniz_ogutBut if that iso burning tool was not working during the previous release and if it is still not working, there's a serious..... I mean its wrong.04:55
spasticteapotI don't even HAVE an internal optical drive.04:55
deniz_ogutHere for many such issues people keep saying: Install another tool or tell to the upstream.04:56
deniz_ogutThis is not acceptable.04:56
deniz_ogutxubuntu as an OS should work under its own integrity.04:56
deniz_ogutWhat emlse can I say?04:56
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deniz_ogutspasticteapot: Ok you don't have an optical drive. But if optical drives are much more for xubuntu then we will say that we won't give service for them. If we do, and if we put a device for it, we expect it to work.04:57
deniz_ogutspasticteapot: This is the one of several unbelivable things I'm discovering in xubuntu. First one was terminal emulator is causing x to crash. And what said is: This is an upstream issue and install another tool. These are not serious manners.05:00
T`deniz_ogut, i dont have that prob05:01
spasticteapotdeniz_ogut: I know what you mean - everyone is focusing on Gnomebuntu.05:01
spasticteapotPersonally, I'm wondering if Xubuntu should be replaced with an Arch-based distro.05:01
spasticteapotI'm installing it on my laptop this weekend.05:02
spasticteapotIn a new partition. of course.05:02
T`i haven't tried the gnome based ubuntu.. is it still dog slow as it used to be?05:02
deniz_ogutFor many architectures there is. Forums and Launcpad bugzilla is full of them. Anyway. There may be bugs, some of them may be serious as well but we can't say "install something else" or "this is upstream related". User, in the last resolution, demands something usable.05:02
deniz_ogutWhy did I change from Ubuntu to xubuntu then, if I will install all their tools?05:03
T`deniz_ogut, what exactly is your issue?05:03
deniz_ogutI beileve that I am doing something wrong, to write iso image via xfburn.05:04
deniz_ogutBut it seems that it is the case for everybody.05:04
deniz_ogutAnd not in feisty but in edgy as well.05:04
T`i dont like xfburn05:04
deniz_ogutand I don't want to believe this.05:04
T`i use gnomebaker05:04
deniz_ogutand I don't want to install k3b.05:05
deniz_ogutThis is wnat i ask.05:05
T`deniz_ogut, what the heck are you freaking out about05:05
T`just shut up and use what works best for you.. this is linux.. free software05:05
deniz_ogutDear T. Problem is not liking xfburn or not liking it.05:05
T`i install software which suits my needs all the time05:05
T`i use xmms,05:05
deniz_ogutWhat i ask is: is xfburn work for someone or not?05:05
deniz_ogutit is that simple.05:06
T`mplayer, etc.05:06
T`i dont like xfmedia.. it sucks.. so what05:06
T`but i'm saying: if it doesn't work, then use what works05:06
T`there is so much choice.. and its beautiful05:06
T`you have to be very glad05:06
T`not like windows05:06
deniz_ogutif the default tool is not working at all, there's a distro problem.05:06
T`yea.. but unfortunately tools take time to mature05:07
deniz_oguti am talking about the default one. and not about chances. it is not working.05:07
T`just like anything else in life05:07
T`i highly recommend you use something else other than xfburn05:07
deniz_ogutyou are right.05:07
T`i like xubuntu cuz its FFAAAASST05:07
T`i dont care about its tools05:07
T`i instlal my own.. thunderbird, firefox, xmms, mplayer, etc..05:07
T`i  use lightweight stuff..05:08
T`i agree it sucks xfmedia never works05:08
T`atleast for me it always hangs up05:08
T`but then i just dont care.. cuz i know a software which works awesome.. mplayer05:08
deniz_ogutdear T I have a 128 ram and I like xubuntu for being fast as well. But this does not mean that we won't dibcuss the whole scene.05:08
spasticteapotYou need more RAM.05:09
spasticteapotT': If I wanted to install all my own tools, I'd bloody well use Debian.05:09
T`yea i see what you mean.. there is a real problem here with not making these tools better05:09
T`but i think they just need time05:09
T`spasticteapot, then please do?05:09
T`i only install _a few_ of my own tools05:10
spasticteapotRolemaster - E Shit Critical Tables, excerpted from Companion XVIII: Shit05:10
spasticteapothas happened, blinding the poor unfortunant permenantly, breaking both05:10
spasticteapottheir arms, and stunning them for 27 rounds. They expire in a miserable05:10
spasticteapotheap 6 rounds later. Pity, that.05:10
deniz_ogut:-) If I have more ram I won't use xubuntu! There are milions of 128 ram machines around the world and GNU/Linux is capable to operate them well.05:10
spasticteapotAck, wrong chatroom.05:10
spasticteapotT': I like Ubuntu because it's easy to use.05:10
spasticteapotI don't want to install my own tools.05:10
spasticteapotI want to install, and have everything work.05:11
spasticteapotI thought that was the whole point of Ubuntu.05:11
deniz_ogutYou are right and what i am trying to say is this.05:11
T`spasticteapot, perhaps.. xubuntu is an offshoot.. has advantages/disadvantages05:12
deniz_ogut"linux for human beings". Not only for geeks.05:12
T`spasticteapot, give them some time dude.. they are all doing us free service..05:12
spasticteapotYes. But they are sucking at it.05:12
T`i know.. i'm just pissed you guys dont appriaciate their work05:12
spasticteapotI'm not going to bloody donate any money 'till they fix xubuntu.05:12
T`oh thats fine05:12
T`you should state that to them05:12
deniz_ogutI'm not blaming the developers, I'm trying to contribute for the things to be better.05:12
T`but the best way to encourage them is to thank them05:13
spasticteapotT': As someone who has worked as a sysadmin for free - donating my own time - I can say : "THBBT!"05:13
T`cuz they aren't obviously doing it for the money05:13
deniz_ogutAnd I'll report this xfburn issue as well.05:13
spasticteapotIt's not done 'till it all works.05:13
spasticteapotGnome is, IMO, a worse choice than XFCE. Much more bloaty.05:13
T`spasticteapot, have you used ubuntu lately?05:13
deniz_ogutand for the moment, yes I'll install some other tool, solve my personal problem but this doesn't mean that the main problem is solved.05:13
T`spasticteapot, just wondering how it compares to xubuntu on a fast machine.. like an intel core duo..05:14
spasticteapotT': Gnomebuntu, no.05:14
deniz_ogutUp to feisty, I was using Ubuntu.05:14
spasticteapotT': I don't have a C2D. I have a 1ghz single-core Pentium M.05:14
deniz_ogutDuring Edgy era I used Ubuntu.05:14
spasticteapotHence Xubuntu.05:14
T`ah oko05:14
T`deniz_ogut, how is it compared to xuubnut speed wise?05:14
deniz_ogutfor 1 month I'm using xubuntu.05:14
T`deniz_ogut, i am buying a new comp.. 2GB/C2D e6600, etc..05:15
deniz_ogutxubuntu is obviously much more speedy.05:15
deniz_ogutbecause of desktops.05:15
T`even on a fast comp?05:15
deniz_ogutUbuntu= gnome xubuntu= xfce05:15
deniz_ogutI don't know the fast computers.05:15
deniz_ogutmine is a low end one and ubuntu was slow.05:16
deniz_ogutxubuntu is for me.05:16
deniz_ogutBut I belive that even in a fast pc, xubuntu will run faster than Ubuntu.05:16
j1mmcdeniz_ogut: yes, xubuntu is a little more snappy, even on a fast pc.05:17
deniz_ogutbut I believe that, even if I have a fast computer I may prefer xubuntu. because i like its simplicity.05:17
T`j1mmc, ohok05:18
heavywolfreally interesting conversation guys, im about to start using xubuntu on an old pc05:18
T`i'm assuming kubuntu is just slower than ubuntu/xubuntu?05:18
deniz_ogutheavywolf: If you have an old computer, xubuntu is THE best.05:18
heavywolfyeah, that what a friend told me, im going to try it out05:19
deniz_ogutyes kubuntu (kde) is the "slowest" one.05:19
heavywolfbut i have a question05:19
heavywolfcan you use beryl on xubuntu?05:19
deniz_ogutBut much more "eye candy".05:19
j1mmckubuntu and ubuntu are slower than xubuntu, but you need to weigh features, too.  xubuntu isn't quite as feature rich as kubuntu or ubuntu05:19
j1mmcheavywolf: yes, you can use beryl on xubuntu05:19
heavywolfthat's what i want05:20
deniz_ogutAs far as I know you can use beryl on xubuntu. but x-ubuntu can handle beryl doesn't mean it can handle on all machines I belive.05:20
heavywolfthats reasonable05:20
heavywolfi used to use ubuntu before05:20
heavywolfwhen it was the 5.04 version05:20
deniz_ogutYou can install beryl on xubuntu on an 1 gb ram machine; it is sometheng, 128 ram machine, it is somletnhirg else.05:21
heavywolfnow im trying to upgrade everything till 705:21
heavywolfi just havent use it in a while hehe05:21
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skydei would like a stric "python script.py" to start a boot time05:23
skydehow i do that05:23
heavywolfT` what version of xubuntu do you use?05:24
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Jester45!info hal07:11
ubotuhal: Hardware Abstraction Layer. In component main, is optional. Version (feisty), package size 543 kB, installed size 1512 kB07:11
Jester45theres a update for hal just so you know, and you need to use dist-upgrade or hal is kepted back07:12
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deniz_ogutHi dear friends. Reminding that I am a relatively new bug reporter triager. Questions: 1- If a bug is reported for a previous release, and if I have the same of it in the current one, should I report a new bug or add a comment to the existing one? If there was an old similar report and if it is rejected by someone who is supposed to know what he is doing but if I believe that the bug (still) exists, what should I do? The real situation is for Bug #83007:53
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deniz_ogutTheSheep: You please have a look at my question above. I know that you understand me.07:54
deniz_ogutSorry sorry. Wrong channel. I am going to ubuntu-bugs. sorry.07:56
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xjkxdont care for languages, then i didnt download the language CD, somethings here is in english but i understand english, problem is that i cant see accent keys, its probably the charset, how do i change system's charset? its probably using UTF-8 and i need iso8859-1 or its using iso and i need utf-8, unsure08:38
xjkxmy echo $lang has;08:38
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cjaehow do I remove entries from the applications menu (ones installed by wine) the edit menu is so strange09:52
cjaeis there just a normal config file I can edit like with nano or something?09:53
cjaecause the xfce4-menu editor only has like three of the listed applications in it actually it does list them at all it lists SETTINGS,SETTINGS MANAGER and About XFCE09:56
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aussiemanwhat can i use to comose html gu style as i cant get moz-composer09:58
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hyper_chcjae: ~/.cache/xfce4/desktop  on of the files in there09:59
cjaehyper_ch, thanks I 'll try and check back10:00
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cjaehyper_ch, this was under menu-cache--home-cjae-.config-xfce4-desktop-menu.xml it seems to be the only one that has the other entry may I just delete were it starts at <menu name="Other" icon="applications-other">10:13
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cjaehyper_ch, did you die on me??10:19
graziecjae: maybe but probably just away from the keyboard. What's the problem? (Incidently I've got a very unreliable connection at the moment)10:23
cjaegrazie, thanks I ma trying to get rid of the applications menu created by wine which I purged10:24
graziecjae: do you know where in the menu?10:25
cjaegrazie, and I asked if there was something else I could use to edit the menu besides the xfce4 menu editor10:25
cjaeand he told me to go to ~/.cache/xfce4/desktop and look in those files10:26
graziecjae: the xfce menu editor can change anything that's not part of the system menu10:26
graziecjae: the system menu is controlled by .desktop files in /usr/share/applications10:26
graziecjae: is the wine entry in the system menu?10:27
cjaeI only have three entries in menu editor and none of them are applications10:27
cjaeno right above it10:27
cjaein the menu editor I only have settings, settings manager and about xfce10:28
cjaeand some separators10:28
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graziecjae: then the menu entries must be part of the system menu which is controlled as described above ^^10:29
cjaeit is NOT part of the system menu10:30
cjaeoh I see sorry hang on10:31
graziecjae: you could 'grep <menu entry> /usr/share/applications/*.desktop' to find the right .desktop file10:31
cjaesee he told me to look in ~/.cache/xfce4/desktop10:32
cjaebut would this not just be cache10:32
graziecache is cache10:32
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grazieor to be accurate .cache is cache10:33
cjaegrazie, so deleting the cache would not be useful??10:36
grazieit won't remove the wine menu entries no10:37
cjaeI purged wine why did it leave this10:38
cjaesort of like winblows add/remove leaving folders10:38
cjaegrazie, did you get the pastebin??10:39
ubotuUbuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues - See also !automate10:39
graziedue to the way it's been packaged (sorry just lost connection again)10:40
cjaegrazie, did you get my pastebin?? http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/20464/10:40
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graziecjae: I can see it now. Is "other" the menu entry?10:43
cjaegrazie, yes10:44
graziecjae: what menu items are there in "other"10:45
cjaehelp. isobuster, order now, uninstall now10:46
graziecjae: which one(s) do you want to remove?10:47
cjaeall including other10:47
graziecjae: yes, but each of those menu entries will have a .desktop file in /usr/share/applications. You should search for "isobuster", etc...10:48
graziecjae: also case is important. use "grep -i" to ignore case10:50
aussiemangrazie, why cant i find mozilla composer?10:58
cjaegrazie, I am lost I tried grep -i isobuster /usr/share10:59
grazieaussieman: I don't know. Why can't you find mozilla composer? :)10:59
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aussiemanits not in the repos11:00
graziedon't know the app11:00
aussiemanand i wnat a simple html composer11:00
grazie!info composer11:00
ubotuPackage composer does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas11:00
aussiemanthats right ubotu so what can i use?11:00
grazieaussieman: is not part of the mozilla suite?11:01
grazie!info mozilla11:01
ubotuPackage mozilla does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas11:01
aussiemanwel cant see it in the apt cache11:01
aussiemanvery good ubotu11:01
aussiemanis he a bot! stupid me11:01
aussiemanhtml composer?11:02
cjaeand I tried just making my way there by the file manager and the is no /usr/share/applications/.desktop folder11:02
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cjae!info thunderbird11:02
graziecjae:  no....grep -i isobuster /usr/share/applications/*.desktop11:02
ubotuPackage thunderbird does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas11:03
graziethat can't be right11:03
grazie!info mozilla-thunderbird11:03
aussieman !info html11:03
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ubotumozilla-thunderbird: Mozilla Thunderbird standalone mail client. In component main, is optional. Version (feisty), package size 10635 kB, installed size 29700 kB11:03
ubotuPackage html does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas11:03
aussieman!info html11:03
aussiemanthunderbird exists11:03
grazie!info mozilla-composer11:04
ubotuPackage mozilla-composer does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas11:04
aussiemanbut who knows a simple esay html editor like composer on mozilla?11:04
cjaegrazie, nothing11:04
aussiemanubotu, knows a lot11:04
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about knows a lot - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi11:04
aussiemanubotu, is very polite11:05
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about is very polite - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi11:05
cjaeaussieman, you just want an email editor11:05
aussieman!info mozilla-suite11:06
ubotuPackage mozilla-suite does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas11:06
aussiemanno i want to make web pages11:06
aussiemanwithout stuffing around with too much html detail11:06
grazieaussieman: found this11:06
cjaeahh I thought I wasn't right11:06
grazie!info mozilla-cascades11:06
ubotuPackage mozilla-cascades does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas11:07
grazieaussieman: that package is in edgy but not feisty. don't know why11:08
grazie!info edgy mozilla-composer11:08
ubotuPackage edgy does not exist in feisty11:08
grazie!info mozilla-composer edgy11:08
ubotuPackage mozilla-composer does not exist in edgy11:09
aussiemantoo smart bot11:09
grazieaussieman: use http://packages.ubuntu.com to search11:09
graziecjae:  try "grep -i wine /usr/share/applications/*.desktop"11:10
cjaeanyway. grazie after an updatedb locate only finds the isobuster installer in my /home11:10
cjaegrazie, nothing11:11
graziecjae: yeah you've removed the app, but the menu details are still there11:11
graziecjae: yes?11:11
cjaethe grep wine showed nothing11:11
graziecjae: do "ls /usr/share/applications/*.desktop" and pastebin the output11:12
cjaeis it just in cache and a complete reboot would rid it??11:12
aussiemany si quieres un manual de HTML aqui hay uno muy bueno: http://desarrolloweb.com/html/11:13
aussiemanO tambien el mozilla composer... me parece que es...11:13
aussiemansudo aptitude install mozilla-browser11:13
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aussiemanbut i still cant find it --- seesm that is the name11:13
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graziecjae: a reboot may clear the menu. Best just delete ~/.cache11:13
aussiemanahaha  its now known as seamonkey http://www.mozilla.org/projects/seamonkey/11:15
aussiemanbut we dont have it11:15
cjaesh*t I was trying to remember that name11:16
aussieman!info seamonkey11:17
ubotuPackage seamonkey does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas11:17
grazieaussieman: I'm pretty sure that composer is part of mozilla (the suite), which is avaible on edgy but dropped from feisty11:17
aussiemanSeaMonkey 1.1.111:17
aussiemanSeaMonkey 1.1.111:17
aussieman    The next generation of the all-in-one internet application suite11:17
aussiemani couldnt find it in edgy on the pacakeges site11:18
aussiemanbut i gonna try seammonkey from the mozilla site11:18
aussiemanlets see11:18
aussiemanthanks grazie! grazie gracias grazie11:18
cjaegrazie, did you get the pastebin11:19
graziecjae: yes, nothing obvious. Did you trying deleting ~/.cache11:20
cjaeno I was waiting for a response11:20
grazietry deleting* :)11:20
cjaeI will11:20
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cjaegrazie, didn't work11:28
graziecjae: ok, those menu entries must be hidden somewhere in those .desktop files11:29
deniz_ogutHi all! xubuntu Feisty. How can I learn the "chipset" of my PC? Any command? And which part of the output will tell me the chipset?11:29
cjaegrazie, but now I have less entries in ~/.cache/xfce/desktop11:30
cjaegrazie, found it11:34
cjaeand then all the entries under the other11:36
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kmindiI am new to linux - (x)ubuntu.11:39
cjaegrazie, should I just delete the wine folder11:39
kmindiI have a question :11:39
graziecjae: sorry yes. I forgot about the ~/.local/...11:39
deniz_ogutkmindi: hello. listening11:39
graziecjae: sorry yes. I forgot about the ~/.local/... (I just got disconnected again)11:40
kmindiafter i login the add/delete new software dialog appears.11:40
kmindihow can i stop it loading every login?11:40
graziecjae: if wine is gone yes11:40
deniz_ogutkmindi: Where does it appear?11:40
kmindias a new window11:41
cjaegrazie, why did they make the menu editor suck so bad11:41
cjaeit's the only thing that really sucks about xfce11:42
deniz_ogutkmindi: wait a minute please. I'm looking for something. It shouldn't appear under normal conditions. You can open it via Applications > System. Just a few minutes please.11:43
graziecjae: it's work in progress I think11:43
graziecjae: it's work in progress I think (disconnect again)11:43
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kmindideniz_ogut: ok11:44
cjaeI found it by the ~/.cache/xfce4/desktop/menucache thing it was the first listing for some reason after rm ~/.cache11:45
cjaethanks for the help grazie11:46
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graziecjae: np11:46
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deniz_ogutkmindi: Was that situation same from the very beginning you installed xubuntu or did it start after a point?11:47
nessmukcan one upgrade from Ubuntu Dapper directly to Xubuntu Feisty, or is it better to install the Xubuntu fresh, from scratch.11:48
deniz_ogutkmindi: are you there?11:48
kmindideniz_ogut: sorry I cant't remember but I just installed it lets say 5 reboots ago.11:49
nessmukIn Ubuntu, you can Right-Click an item in the menubar and choose the option to show it in the panel. Can you do this in Xubuntu?11:49
kmindideniz_ogut: I think I did not change something . But thats what everyone says if a problem occours...11:49
deniz_ogutkmindi: lets try this. Will you please go to Applications > Settings > Autostarted applications and tell me what exists there?11:50
kmindideniz_ogut: wait...11:50
kmindideniz_ogut: there is the printer queue applet, the gkrellm, "Verwaltung eingeschreankter Treiber", but checked is only the printer aplett11:52
kmindiin the description it says something : these apllications are loaded in addition to those saved by/after logoff session.11:53
deniz_ogutkmindi: thinking about it.11:53
deniz_ogutkimindi: did you mak the installation in German?11:54
kmindideniz_ogut: yes11:54
deniz_ogutkmindi: wait a fex minutes please11:55
kmindideniz_ogut: no problem11:56
deniz_ogutkmindi: sorry. I don't know. I couldn't find anything related. Are you hanging here for some time?11:58
kmindideniz_ogut: thanks anyway maybe I get it work by myself. I think so.11:59
deniz_oguti will try to find you here if you will be here and if i find something. Try to ask the room later maybe there will be someone who knows about it.11:59
kmindiok, thanks.12:00
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about add/delete - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi12:02
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ubotuTo add programs to start up when you log into your Gnome session go to System>Preferences>Sessions and use the Startup Programs tab. For more information, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AddingProgramToSessionStartup12:13
Merchelokmindi: ^^^12:13
kmindiyes... and where can I find this tab in xubuntu?12:20
deniz_ogutkmindi: applications > settings > sessios and Startup Settings12:22
deniz_ogut*sessios= sessions12:23
deniz_ogutMerchelo: But most probably kmindi haven't done anything to the default settings there. It should be something else but what.12:24
kmindiunder sessions and Startup Settings is no tab which was described above...12:27
kmindijust two with a few checkboxes.12:27
kmindiso: I am on to making a fresh installation . in english. -> started.12:35
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shriphanifolks network manager kicks off 4 applets in xfce... any ideas on how to prevent this ?12:57
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b52hey guys01:24
b52i could need a little help01:25
shriphanilike ?01:25
b52im actually running the xubuntu desktop cd 7.04 i want to install it01:25
b52but i dont know how to set up my partitions01:25
b52im also running winxp and want to keep it01:25
shriphanihmm give your xp 10 gb.... or 2001:26
b52my winxp uses 25gig01:26
b52and i want to offer xubuntu also around 25 gig01:26
shriphanihow big is your ram ?01:26
b522 gig swap?01:26
shriphaniok so set up a swap partition twice that...01:27
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b52two swap partitions?01:27
shriphania swap partition two times your ram size....01:27
shriphanii.e. 1024 mb01:27
shriphanior 1 gig01:28
b52ah ok01:28
b52how can i make a screenshot of my actuall viewing?01:28
shriphanii think i got a 4gb root partition and the rest for home and swap...01:30
b52well, wait i show u what ive done so far01:31
b52- hda1 ntfs /media/hda1 /(this is my win partition) 25gig01:31
b52- hda2 swap 1gig01:31
b52- free space 52gig01:32
b52- hdb1 80gig01:32
b52which filesystem should my / get?01:32
shriphaniumm care to speak it out in a sentence ?01:34
b52how can i create a screenshot of my actuall viewing?01:38
shriphaniwell you dont need to01:38
shriphanii was asking you to put the previous 3 lines in one sentence01:38
b52should i use the ext3 filesystem for my root partition?01:39
b52could u tell me now how to create a screenshot of my viewing?01:40
shriphanihmm Applications ------> Accessories ------> Take screenshot.01:40
shriphanihowever this is on a ubuntu with xfce installed...01:40
b52dont have "take a screenshot"01:41
shriphanido you have gimp in graphics ?01:41
Mercheloopen a terminal, and type scrot01:41
b52scrot is currently not installed01:42
b52im running this live cd01:42
TheSheepb52: gimp has an option to aquire a screenshot, and you can also add a screenshot applet to the panel01:42
shriphaniwell then gimp it is...provided no one else comes up with an idea01:43
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b52i got it, thanks01:43
shriphanib52, in case you want a look i am pasting my fstab in pvt.01:44
shriphaniin a private dialogue window01:44
b52ah ok01:45
b52would be nice01:45
b52what you think about that: http://img523.imageshack.us/my.php?image=untitleddx0.jpg01:45
b52my windows partition wont get erased, right?01:45
shriphanidoesnt look like it.....01:47
b52should i change something before i apply it?01:48
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b52ok, ill install now01:54
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b52sucessfully installed xubuntu :)02:54
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infblisshi all can somebody tell me how to give execute permissions in vfat partitions03:05
TheSheepinfbliss: fat paritions don't have linux-like permissions03:06
TheSheepinfbliss: they don't support such thing03:06
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TheSheepinfbliss: you can add some options to the mount command to have *all* files executable03:06
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malkyguys, how do i install packages without internet connection? (i need pppoe)03:47
hyper_ch(1) download the .deb file03:50
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hyper_ch(2) double-click it03:50
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Jester45malky: use a 2nd computer to download the deb then burn it to a disc or to usb thumb drive, then just double click on the computer that needs it03:52
Riot777hello I installed yesterday on pc xubuntu feisty, I notice that it created on xfce destkop icon of mounted harddrive partition , is there any way to remove that icon, I can't even rename it or something?03:53
hyper_chRiot777: right-click desktop --> settings --> behaviour03:54
Jester45are you sure its not a cd?03:54
Jester45i never had a harddrive icon03:54
Riot777Jester45: yep03:56
Riot777this partition is mounted on /media/stuff I have there some backup files etc03:56
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b52/server -m irc.quakenet.org03:57
b52someone knows how to create a lvm with the installpartitiontool?03:58
ubotuTips and tricks for RAID and LVM can be found on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RaidConfigurationHowto and http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO03:59
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Riot777k I'm back, I tryed that thingy with icons it worked but04:04
Riot777how come ubuntu thinks that my third partition is removable drive cause it dissapear only when I "unticked" removable drives04:04
Riot777so now I don't see cdrom icon when it auto mounts04:05
Riot777any tips ?:P maybe some config files to edit?04:05
Riot777I only saw .config/xfce4/desktop/icons.screen0.rc but modifying this file is no go :d04:07
Riot777I want only to remove that hardrive icon and leave cdrom and floppy04:07
Riot777anyone ?:P04:10
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ubotusamba is is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT05:24
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CotHIs anyone on #ubuntu here?05:40
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CotHI got asked to paste an error and I got auto kick-banned by chanserv05:40
CotHNot happy :(05:40
nixternalCotH: sorry about that, I meant to do a /quiet to stop the flood05:41
nixternalas soon as the channel resyncs I will remove the ban on you05:41
ubotupastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)05:41
CotHOkay, ta05:41
nixternalthat is where it should have gone :) my appologies on the finger fumble on my part05:42
nixternalCotH: fixed, you can rejoin05:44
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W8TAHwhere do icons get hidden so that i can select them for launchers?06:01
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j1mc|afkW8TAH: they are in /usr/share/icons06:09
j1mc|afkW8TAH: they come in different sizes and such, so you may have to dig around a little bit to find the one you want.06:09
j1mc|afkthat's where they are, though . . .   :)06:09
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b52ive got a problem with the lvm solution the alternative cd offers06:18
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b52when i want to create a logical volume in my group, it takes a long time06:18
b52when i check it in the console mode, he says something about not able to open hdc06:18
b52because of read only06:18
b52someone has an idea_06:18
Jester45b52: channel #ubuntu might be more helpfull06:22
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Jester45b52: that problem isnt xubuntu specific06:22
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Cannon_BallHello everybody, I am new at Xubuntu06:23
Cannon_BallI installed it one week ago on an old notebook06:23
Cannon_Balland since I'm experiencing loads of problems06:23
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Cannon_Ballhi Jester4506:24
Jester45go ahead and ask06:24
Cannon_BallThis morning I decided to reinstall everything from scratch,06:24
Cannon_Ballto be sure that I did not forget anything I did06:24
Cannon_BallSo the first problem I have is the OpenOffice suite06:25
Cannon_BallXubuntu comes with a preinstalled Openoffice Word processor06:25
fabianruchkmindi: hey dude :)06:25
Cannon_BallIts windows have graphically disturbed edges, I can't see the borders06:25
Cannon_Balland I can't click on the usual buttons to change dimensions06:26
Cannon_BallWith the previous installation, I tried to install twice the whole suite06:26
Cannon_Ballbut there were no changes06:26
Jester45so the problem is only with openoffice06:26
Cannon_BallThe thing which makes me go crazy is that it does it only with openoffice06:26
Jester45try installing sun-java6-jre06:27
Jester45openoffice has some java in it and that might be messing it up06:27
Cannon_Ballwith the previous installation I had installed Java, which was working fine, but no improvement on this issue06:28
Cannon_Ballwith the previous installation I had some problems with multimedia06:29
Jester45did some things not play?06:29
Cannon_Ballfollowing the instructions on Medibuntu, I had installed some codecs for WMV06:29
Cannon_Ballbut when launching GXine I could not see anything.06:29
kmindiah hi fabianruch06:29
Cannon_BallWhen stopping the video and restarting the PC was rebooting unexpectedly06:30
Cannon_Ballthis was a constant, despite the many different codecs reinstallation06:30
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fabianruchkmindi: everything's working out for you?06:30
Jester45there might be somthing wrong with your videocard driver06:30
Cannon_Ballso my feeling now is that Xubuntu has some problem with the video driver06:31
Jester45Cannon_Ball: what video card does it have06:31
Cannon_Ballyep, that's it!06:31
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kmindifabianruch: yes think so.06:31
Cannon_Ballone moment06:31
fabianruchkmindi: are you running xubuntu on your new (*blink* blink*) laptop?06:32
Cannon_BallI have an amnesia06:32
Cannon_BallThe TravelMate 505 series are equipped with the Intel 82440 MX chipset06:34
Cannon_Ballthe graphic card is the NeoMagic 2Mb06:34
Cannon_BallI suspect that the Xubuntu installation does not properly sets the parameters for this videocard06:37
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Cannon_Ballon the net I only found instructions to set the parameters on the Gentoo distro06:38
Cannon_Ballhow can I check the parameters setting in Xubuntu?06:39
h3sp4wnIf its settings for xorg.conf then you can just use the gentoo ones06:39
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Cannon_Ballok, but how?06:40
kmindifabianruch: yes . its working great .06:40
h3sp4wnfollow the instructions06:40
Cannon_Ballwhich instructions?06:40
fabianruchkmindi: :)06:41
h3sp4wn17:39 < Cannon_Ball> on the net I only found instructions to set the parameters on the Gentoo distro06:41
kmindifabianruch: but I have problems with my wlan usb stick. there are now drivers for linux so I took ndiswrapper, and I think that works. but then....06:41
fabianruchkmindi: wait a moment. i'll be back in a minute. :)06:41
Cannon_Ballthe ones for Gentoo require to copy a file (XFConfig...)06:41
Cannon_BallI did it but nothing changed06:42
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h3sp4wnso read the file and merge the changes06:42
Cannon_Ballwhere? in which file?06:42
h3sp4wn /etc/X11/xorg.conf06:42
Cannon_Ballthat's my problem, I don't know which file to change06:42
Cannon_Ballok thank, I'll try and come back06:43
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fabianruchkmindi: back06:53
fabianruchkmindi: poor guy ;)06:54
kmindi|ibm-t20fabianruch: ok, wb.06:54
fabianruchkmindi: you shoudl buy a linux compatible wlan pcmcia card06:54
fabianruchyou won't have to worry then06:55
fabianruchi think that's the best06:55
fabianruchor: with the right documentation you can writer a driver on your own06:55
kmindi|ibm-t20fabianruch: I thougt about that option, but I thougt, there must be a way to get this f*cking stick work ....06:55
fabianruchtell the channel your "stick"'s name06:56
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fabianruchmaybe someone can help you out06:56
kmindi|ibm-t20so here we go: Netgear WG111T .06:56
kmindi|ibm-t20my notbook is an IBM Thinkpad T20 .06:57
fabianruchand which did you use? the windows driver?06:57
kmindi|ibm-t20(as you may can se in my nickname ^^)06:57
kmindi|ibm-t20I tried it with the ndiswrapper to set up the windows drivers06:57
fabianruchwe don't like away-nicks and with-more-than-one-nick-in-the-channel guys :D06:57
kmindi|ibm-t20and it worked-> ndiswrapper shows :06:59
kmindi|ibm-t20athfmwdl : driver installed device (1385:4251) present06:59
kmindi|ibm-t20netwg11t : driver installed device (1385:4251) present06:59
fabianruchdid it really work?07:00
fabianruchor: should it work? ;)07:00
kmindi|ibm-t20the part with ndiswrapper works. i think.07:00
fabianruchwhich part doesn't?07:00
kmindi|ibm-t20that part should work07:00
kmindi|ibm-t20ok the part with wpa_supplicant does not work07:01
kmindi|ibm-t20shall I show you the debug output?07:01
fabianruchpaste it at rafb.net or some another pastebin07:02
fabianruchdoes xubuntu have one?07:02
ubotupastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)07:02
kmindi|ibm-t20so here it is:07:04
kmindi|ibm-t20everyone is looking/reading? ... :)07:07
fabianruchwhat does ifconfig -a say?07:07
kmindi|ibm-t20do you want the full output?07:08
kmindi|ibm-t20or are you looking for somethink special?07:08
fabianruchjust paste it07:08
kmindi|ibm-t20ok. wait.07:08
fabianruchthanks *hugh* :)07:09
fabianruchand where's your interface wlan0?07:11
kmindi|ibm-t20dont know07:11
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fabianruchlet us see iwconfig's output :)07:13
fabianruchnormally you have to load a module or compile a new kernel07:13
fabianruchso the driver recognizes your card und will be attached07:13
fabianruchin the end your card can be used on another layer07:14
fabianruchcan somebody correct me? :)07:14
kmindi|ibm-t20lo        no wireless extensions.07:15
kmindi|ibm-t20eth0      no wireless extensions.07:15
kmindi|ibm-t20irda0     no wireless extensions.07:15
fabianruchplease read the doc again ;)07:15
fabianruchno, wait07:15
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fabianruchpaste 'dmesg | tail'07:16
fabianruchbetter: 'dmesg | grep wrapper'07:16
kmindi|ibm-t20Windows driver couldn't initialize the device07:19
fabianruchyou got it!!!07:19
kmindi|ibm-t20but how can i fix it then.07:20
fabianruchehm, _Windows driver_ couldn't initialize the device07:21
kmindi|ibm-t20but can you tell me what I have to do now?07:22
kmindi|ibm-t20do I have to buy a new wlan device?07:23
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odathi everyone07:23
kmindi|ibm-t20one that is supported by the linux kernel by default.07:23
odatanyone know how to load an alsa module on startup?07:23
kmindi|ibm-t20me not07:23
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fabianruchodat: /etc/modprobe.conf?07:28
fabianruchman modprobe07:28
fabianruchkmindi|ibm-t20: according to the error, i think the windows driver doesn't fit your device07:29
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fabianruchare you sure it's the right one and ndiswrapper should work out for it?07:29
cjaehow come a blank mousepad opens every time I log in to xfce??07:30
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kmindi|ibm-t20yes it is the right one07:32
TheSheepcjae: you must have logged out with the 'save session' option checked and mousepad opened07:33
cjaeI don't think so cause nothing else opens hang on I will check im sure its not07:34
TheSheepcjae: then check the settings->autostarted applications07:35
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cjaeautomatically save session on logout is unchecked07:35
cjaeshow hibernate and suspend are checked but I don't see them either07:36
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cjaeall that's in there is restricted driver and print queue applet07:38
TheSheepcjae: then I have no ide, you may try to clear you session by removing ~/.cache/sessions/07:39
cjaedone that too!! think it is like winblows and I have to check and uncheck the dave sessions thing?07:40
cjaethe save sessions07:40
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ivohello, I'm new here and need some help for the network-manager-gnome installation...07:43
h3sp4wnivo: maybe you would find more people using that in #ubuntu07:44
ivookay, thank you very much... cu07:45
h3sp4wnivo: If you want to just use wpa_supplicant I can probably help you07:45
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odatwhat directory do i use to load modules on startup07:49
h3sp4wnwhich modules ?07:49
h3sp4wnthe simplest is just to add to /etc/modules07:49
odatthat directory doesn't exist07:49
cjaeTheSheep, I did have to check it and make sure everything was closed and completely reboot as a x server reboot was not enough to make it  take hold07:50
ivoh3sp4wn: I have installed wpa_supplicant but I thought it was just necessary for network-manager?07:50
h3sp4wnivo: You can use it by itself07:50
h3sp4wnodat: its a file07:50
odatoh crap07:51
cjaeTheSheep, and then uncheck it and tried loggin in several times does not come back07:51
cjaeTheSheep, thanks anyway07:51
TheSheepcjae: well, you must have some script running at startup that starts it07:52
ivoh3sp4wn: does it have a graphical interface?07:52
h3sp4wnIt has wpagui I have never used that though07:53
h3sp4wn!info wpagui07:53
ubotuwpagui: GUI for wpa_supplicant. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.5.7-0ubuntu2 (feisty), package size 98 kB, installed size 224 kB07:53
cjaecan anyone tell me why if I use something that is hard enough on system resources that it has to use my swap (rarely,,love xfce) why this stuff doesn't leave the swap when the load diminishes07:55
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TheSheepcjae: swap is not about load, but about memory07:57
cjaeTheSheep, the first time I tried loging out (xserver) it opened again except it was thunar and the optical storage disc, so I was thinking it might have been just a thunar window open with no contents07:57
TheSheepcjae: linux doesn't clear the swap once it's used, because there is a good chance it will be used again in a moment, and it doesn't really cost to keep these pages in swap07:57
cjaebut after two days of no using them or at  least the app??07:58
TheSheepcjae: you can go to thunar's preferences and go to the last tab to edit the volume manager properties (auto-opening of cd drives, etc.)07:58
cjaeTheSheep, it has n't happened again but I will familiarize myself with that anyway thanks07:59
cjaeTheSheep, my big problem is that I have no taskbar or panel on my tv out so when something get minimized over there I cannot see it and is hard to kill cause you forget what is open08:01
cjaelike if I minimize thunar in tv out I cannot unmount the drive on the monitor screen cause it is being used on the tv out08:04
TheSheepcjae: middle-click on the desktop08:04
cjaeyou mean left and right at once08:05
TheSheepcjae: yes, if you don't have a 3-button mouse08:05
cjaeor scroll wheel08:05
cjaeon the tv out??08:05
TheSheepanywhere on the desktop08:06
cjaegive me option for workspaces08:06
TheSheepcjae: the workspaces hsould be there too08:06
TheSheepcjae: on the window list08:07
TheSheepcjae: you can also bind that list to some key -- the command is 'xfdesktop --window-list'08:07
cjaeI see I have to open a file manager first08:08
cjaethat is very cool didn't think about that08:08
cjaeit is very helpful cause my girlfriend does that a lot I don't know why I don't have the panel or taskbar though08:09
TheSheepcjae: I have one of my 'windows' keys bound to that, and the other to the applications menu08:09
TheSheepcjae: you can get the panel by pressing alt+f2 and typing 'xfce4-panel'08:09
cjaetried that08:09
TheSheepcjae: and then put taskbar and anything other you need on it08:10
Jester45TheSheep: that would only give it to display 0 not the tv-out08:10
cjaebeen on many places trying to figure this on out08:10
TheSheepJester45: ah, right08:10
Jester45i just jumped into a lot of org stuff08:10
cjaeTheSheep, my xorg seems to be crazy08:11
cjaeor else xfce is08:11
Jester45i got 3 xservers running on 3 displays, 6 desktops with beryl is confusing08:11
cjaeJester45, if you have 3 xservers you do not use twinview or anything right?08:12
Jester45display 0 has 3xervers display 2 has 3xservers and display 3 has 3 xservers08:13
Jester45im not suing twinview or at least i dont think i am08:14
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cjaeJester45, do you think you could help me get a panel or taskbar on my tv out08:14
Jester45probly not08:15
cjaeTheSheep, thank you and that question goes to anybody actually08:15
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Jester45i can try08:15
cjaeill pastebin xorg08:15
WantXubuntuIf I just tried to run Xubuntu from a live CD and the top and bottom bars didn't show up, is it unlikely they will with a full install as well?08:16
WantXubuntu*will not08:16
Jester45WantXubuntu: he has them on is moniter but not tv-out08:16
zialsmy bars didn't show up sometimes either... but they were fine when I installed it08:17
WantXubuntuJester45, not sure what you mean08:17
cjaeJester45, TheSheep08:17
TheSheepJester45: he just joined :)08:17
TheSheepWantXubuntu: are you still running it?08:17
Jester45o i see08:17
WantXubuntuTheSheep, no,got toonervous08:17
WantXubuntu*too nervous08:17
Jester45cjae: try this08:17
TheSheepWantXubuntu: you might want to use the 'verify cd' option at boot, to make sure it burned ok08:18
WantXubuntuTheSheep, I'm running it now off another computer08:18
WantXubuntuI'm speaking to you from it08:18
WantXubuntuSeems perfect here08:19
zialsmhmm, when I had the bar problem, I verified the CD and it didn't detect anything...08:19
Jester45cjae: "xfce4-panel --customize" -> new panel -> position freemoveable  -> move panel to tv08:19
cjaein terminal?08:20
WantXubuntuSo zials you just went for it and it worked?08:20
WantXubuntueven though the live showed no bars?08:20
zialssometimes, the bar shows... sometimes they didn't... (with CD)08:20
WantXubuntuAlright... I guess I go for it, thanks08:20
WantXubuntuI'll be back in here as "Nrbelex" in a few mins08:20
zialswhats your monitors size?08:20
Jester45after 6.06 i dont even use the lice cd anymore08:21
cjaeJester45, it just gave me >08:21
Jester45have you guys seen the proposed firefox icon?08:21
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cjaeJester45, nevermind I was being retarded again I mean learning challenged08:23
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Jester45im working on making a xfce version, realy it just the xfce logo inplace of the globe but i like it08:24
cjaeJester45, ok by using it I lost my taskbar or the bottom bar from my monitor08:27
Jester45did you create a new panel? or just move a old one08:28
cjaejust moved old one did not let me create new one08:29
Jester45why not, did you click the + button?08:29
cjaedid you want me to type all of this into the command prompt08:30
Jester45just the xfce4-panel --customize08:30
Jester45the other were instructions08:30
cjaethat's what I did08:30
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cjaethere is no new option08:30
Jester45its at the top next to Panel 1 or Panel 2 its a + sign08:31
cjaewow am I stupid08:31
cjaelike really really stuid08:31
Jester45found it?08:31
cjaehang on08:32
cjaedamn it your a god send08:33
cjaesorry for profanity08:33
Jester45its fine08:33
Jester45just dont over do it08:33
Jester45so... its works08:34
cjaeI think I just have to customize them now but they both look the same do you have to input workspaces and everything??08:35
Jester45that must mean im not learning challenged08:35
Jester45right click and add new items08:36
Jester45if you wan somthing from the old one right click on the old one at the item you want and at the top of tha menu is the name08:36
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cjaeyeah thank you man I was @ #xorg, #xfce debain and #nvidia08:37
thefirstdudehow take screeny?08:37
zialsprint screen key? O.o08:37
ubotuScreenshots can be made with the [PrtScr]  button or the File -> Acquire menu in the GIMP.08:37
thefirstdudeyeh, how print screen08:37
TheSheepthefirstdude: only the print screen key is not enabled in xubuntu08:37
TheSheepthefirstdude: there is a panel applet for this, gimp has a command for that, and you can install a commandline tool like scrot for that08:38
cjaeI have one more question for you later if you will it's about xorg I would like to customize before g/f gets home so she can use08:38
cjaeJester45, thanks08:38
Jester45cjae: your welcome, and what you want customized08:39
h3sp4wnthefirstdude: imagemagick directly is as easy as anything to do08:39
h3sp4wnsleep 10 && import -window root -display :0 screenshot.png08:39
cjaeJester45, just so unfamilar with xfce I thought the panel 1 and panel 2 things were for different screens would have helped if I moved panel 2 hey08:40
cjaeJester45, brb door08:40
Jester45panel one is the top or bottom and #2 is the other08:40
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about gtk1 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi08:42
Jester45is gtk1 temeable08:43
Jester45my gtk2 has a dark theme and gtk1's white is very bright08:43
h3sp4wnthefirstdude: actually use scrot (imlib2 is a great library)08:43
h3sp4wnannoying the its built without --enable-amd64 by default though08:44
Jester45what are they gonna name it when intel gets 64bit? just 64bit08:45
h3sp4wnsame thing08:46
TheSheepJester45: intel got its 64bit, but it sucked so much they used amd's in the end08:47
Jester45but it wouldnt be amd6408:47
h3sp4wnTheSheep: Did you ever use linux on itanium ?08:47
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Jester45i figured they had it but its not popular08:47
TheSheeph3sp4wn: yeah, we had itanium for tests for a month08:48
Daemonikxfdesktop behaves very oddly. When dragging an icon from xfdesktop to a thunar window it copies the file or folder instead of moving it. The shift key has to be held for normal drag and drop, is there a workaround for that?08:48
TheSheeph3sp4wn: it was only fast with the provided compiler and provided tests08:48
Jester45Daemonik: thats how it acts be defualt08:48
TheSheepDaemonik: yes, hold down shift08:48
h3sp4wnTheSheep: Thats not necessarily a problem with the arch then08:49
DaemonikWithout shift08:49
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DaemonikTheSheep, I can hondle that, it's the users I'm setting this up for that can't, I need to find a way to work around it.08:51
TheSheepDaemonik: disable the desktop icons08:51
Cannon_Ballis there anyone who can tell me how to position the icons on the desktop where I want?08:52
TheSheepCannon_Ball: drag them with your mouse08:52
Cannon_Ballwhenever I reboot they go back where they were before08:52
Jester45Cannon_Ball: drag them where you want and save session08:52
TheSheepJester45: saving the session shoudn't be required...08:52
Cannon_Ballthe session is always saved when I reboot08:53
Cannon_Ballstill the icons go back to the left side08:54
Cannon_Ballno ideas?08:57
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cjaehey Jester45 what is this section of my xorg for??  http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/20530/09:11
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TheSheepcjae: it's there in case you had a wacom tablet09:12
TheSheepcjae: you know, the pen-like input device09:12
cjaeTheSheep, I don't have one09:12
TheSheepcjae: if you don't have a wacom tablet, you can safely remove it09:13
cjaeThat whole section??09:13
TheSheepcjae: these 3 sections09:13
TheSheepcjae: the definitions for wacom input devices09:13
TheSheepcjae: be careful, however, to not remove your mouse and keyboard devices :)09:14
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cjaeRight show I leave 27-2909:14
cjaeright should I leave 27-2909:15
cjaeTheSheep, Also I have had this xorg for like two years should I have the fonts list changed??09:17
TheSheepcjae: no, the whole part you pasted can be removed09:17
TheSheepcjae: I don't think the font paths changed09:18
cjaeTheSheep, I  don't even know if this xorg is from this distro09:18
cjaemust be cause of the sudo dpkg thing!09:19
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TheSheepcjae: you can genereate yourself a new one with 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg'09:19
cjaebut won't this just kill what I did on my tv out??09:20
TheSheepcjae: yes09:20
TheSheepcjae: you will have to edit it again09:20
cjaecan anyone verify the fonts paths09:20
cjaeTheSheep, do you know if they have perfected at least got some kind of perfomance from logitech mice?09:23
Jester45im useing 109:23
cjaeI a mx 700 and have tried to config the buttons for some time now09:23
Jester45and its perfect09:24
TheSheepcjae: you need to use the evdev driver for that, not the mouse driver09:24
cjaeand can never ever ever get it to work09:24
TheSheepcjae: there are some howtos on the neyt09:24
cjaeit is just all of the buttons do not work09:25
cjaeI have tried editing Option"ZAxisMapping""4 5"09:25
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cjaeand adding a xmodprobe file09:25
cjaewould I still need the evdev Jester45 ?? TheSheep ??09:26
TheSheepcjae: I think that advanced mice are better handled with the evdev driver09:27
cjaethis is not an advanced mouse well not technically speaking09:27
cjaeit kills batteries like they were free09:28
cjaeit always disconnects but that maybe cause of my phone09:28
cjaeis it 2.4 ghz??09:28
TheSheepcjae: http://linux.netpimpz.com/mx700/09:28
cjaeTheSheep, thanks I ll check09:29
cjaeI sucks in winblows as well09:29
cjaemy mother has like one of the first wireless logitech (well ones I saw anyway) and she replaces batteries like once a years not once every two days09:31
Jester45how often does she use it09:32
cjaeon an non glossy transparent surface09:32
Jester45thats one reason i changed to wired09:32
cjaemy cat always smashes it09:32
Jester45im a gamer and i cant stand when the batteries are  low and it loses connection09:33
cjaeeven if it get randomly hits with it off the desk09:33
cjaeit is like this one is possessed sometimes it will gradually die and sometimes the light will not flash09:34
cjaeso you think I just lost connection and try and connect it09:34
cjaeand then like three minutes later it will flash dead09:35
cjaenuckin futz09:35
cjaethen it acts like the cordless phone and will not accept new charged batteries09:36
cjaestill will flash and play dead09:36
Jester45have you ever tried xeyes09:36
Jester45its pretty cool09:37
cjaesometimes I look like that09:37
Jester45i dont like gnomes panel version because its to small09:37
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cjaebrb door again probably the cops09:38
q-tHey, I installed xubuntu on my laptop, but when I started openoffice, the graphics got all screwy, at the top. I was told that I could tune the graphics resolutions down, but I didnt find the place to do it, where can I do it?09:38
Jester45applications -> settings -> display settings09:39
Jester45q-t: what laptop is it09:39
q-tHP Compaq nc600009:40
Jester45cjae: is that the same as yours?09:40
q-tWith an ATI MOBILITY RADEON 9600 graph card09:40
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q-tthe graph card has given me alot of grief, ALOT :P09:41
Jester45q-t: what driver do you have09:41
q-tehm, the default one I think, everytime I have installed the driver that is supposed to be installed for that card, it fucks up for some odd reason. In windows it crashed09:42
cjaeJester45, ??? I ll have to go it is the cops again got jumped and kicked about and they are investigating09:42
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q-thavent tried to screw with that yet in xubuntu because all goes smooth except openoffice09:42
TheSheep!langugae | q-t09:42
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about langugae - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi09:42
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ubotuq-t: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.09:42
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TheSheepq-t: thank you09:43
q-tTheSheep: np ;)09:43
Jester45q-t: try using the radeon driver and if that does work use fglrx09:43
ubotuTo install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto09:44
q-tfglrx what it that?09:44
Frema binary driver for ati video cards. it lets you do fun things like 3d acceleration.09:45
q-tI`ll try that, thnx:)09:45
cjaeJester45, what did mean by is that the same  as yours09:47
cjaeJester45, ??09:49
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Jester45cjae: sorry but want did you want?09:59
cjaeJester45, what did mean by is that the same  as yours10:00
cjaethe laptop??10:00
Jester45cjae: yea10:00
Jester45becuase he has OO.o problems also10:00
k8ddwhere can i find a network mapping/discovery and a sniffer program?10:04
Pumpernickelnmap, ethereal10:06
k8ddPump: thanx .... i'll give them a try.10:08
Jester45anyone here good at blender?10:11
TheSheepJester45: ask on #tango10:11
TheSheepor on #blender, of course ;)10:12
Jester45just wondering10:12
Jester45i used a programe like it at school but it was on windows10:12
TheSheepJester45: I know there are some blender pros10:12
Jester45and i would like to do 3d modleing but i cant realy get used to blender, it might jsut be to advance10:13
TheSheepJester45: it's famous for its horrible interface :)10:13
TheSheepJester45: yet the pros love it10:13
Jester45yea, i would like just to be able to color the objects and bend them and animate them10:14
Jester45with simple frame 1 frame 2 frame 310:14
Jester45i cant even figure out how to make a new object other than lights10:15
TheSheepJester45: there are some tutorials10:15
TheSheepJester45: and manuals and books :)10:15
Jester45yea, i got one10:16
TheSheepJester45: some of them are even free ;)10:16
Jester45yea wikibooks has a long one10:17
TheSheepknowledge costs work10:17
Jester45do you know of a simpler 3d modeler10:19
TheSheepJester45: you may try povray10:19
Jester45in repos?10:20
TheSheepJester45: or radiance10:20
TheSheepJester45: povray should be there10:20
TheSheepJester45: it doesn't use gui, but instead a special language that you 'compile' into scenes10:20
Jester45i dont think i will like that10:21
TheSheepJester45: depends on what you do :)10:21
Jester45try to make interesting things10:21
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Jester45im installing vertex and  k3d10:27
sucklessanyone here to go out and flame #suse? :)10:27
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TheSheepsuckless: why?10:29
sucklessTheSheep: why not?10:29
TheSheepsuckless: because you annoy people and make yourself enemies?10:29
sucklessyou're right!10:29
sucklessajaahahem, amen10:30
sucklessi'm out...10:30
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h3sp4wnIf you do that I hope you get klined10:38
h3sp4wnbut I suppose Mark Shuttleworth did post that message to the opensuse list which could be considered a flame10:40
kalikiana_h3sp4wn, I accidentally saw what suckless said. Did Mark S. actually post something offending suse?10:41
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kalikiana_h3sp4wn, Ah, thank you. Maybe that post of Mark was a bit perky. *g10:49
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andrey_hello, is it possible to make from kubuntu xubuntu ?10:57
zialserr.. *thinks* try 'sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop'10:58
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andrey_will it be the same as dowloading xubuntu iso ?10:58
zialsit won't be the whole ISO file10:59
zialsyou'll be able to access most (if not all) files you had on kubuntu11:00
kalikiana_andrey_, With the above mentioned package, you'll get a full xubuntu.11:01
kalikiana_andrey_, However there *may* be issues, as for 1) kubuntu won't be removed automatically and 2) sometimes kde and xfce can conflict.11:01
h3sp4wnandrey_: You might still have networkmanager11:01
h3sp4wnwhich xubuntu is lucky to not have11:02
kalikiana_h3sp4wn, Isn't System->Network the network manager?11:02
andrey_I have knetworkapp installed11:02
h3sp4wnkalikiana_: I don't have that horrible daemon on my machine11:03
h3sp4wn(and never did) but kubuntu and ubuntu do unfortunately force it on people11:03
kalikiana_h3sp4wn, I have that item in my menu from the Feisty default install. Is it the same or is it a different app?11:03
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h3sp4wnI don't think its the same thing11:04
kalikiana_How is the package called?11:04
h3sp4wn!info network-manager11:05
ubotunetwork-manager: network management framework daemon. In component main, is optional. Version 0.6.4-6ubuntu7 (feisty), package size 234 kB, installed size 584 kB11:05
andrey_but basically  all ubuntu are the same, only with different window managers11:07
h3sp4wnyes - but xubuntu doesn't use network manager11:09
kalikiana_Ah, the one I have is 'network-admin'.11:09
andrey_so I can do aptitude remove kubuntu-desktop and then aptitude install xubuntu-desktop11:11
h3sp4wnandrey_: Did you originally install kubuntu-desktop with aptitude ?11:11
andrey_I just installed kubuntu from cd11:11
h3sp4wnprobably won't work then11:12
kalikiana_andrey_, You'll have to remove kubuntu's packages manually11:12
h3sp4wnsudo aptitude purge kdelibs-data kdelibs4c2a kde~i11:12
kalikiana_andrey_, But there is some website explaining what you'll need to remove.11:12
h3sp4wnthat should get rid of most of it11:12
h3sp4wnor you could ask someone with a clean xubuntu to help you11:13
h3sp4wnand use apt-get dselect-upgrade11:13
h3sp4wn(get the packagelist from them)11:13
zialsmhmm... well, there's -> http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purexfce11:13
h3sp4wnbut thats not pure xfce at all is it11:14
h3sp4wnits xfce made to look like a poor imitation of gnome11:14
h3sp4wnand there is no way you would need all those11:15
andrey_hope I'm not going to break my system11:15
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andrey_where can I find my network settings when network manager is gone ?11:21
ubotuwine is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information.11:22
h3sp4wnandrey_: /etc/network/interfaces11:23
h3sp4wnor use network-admin11:23
nekomanceris there a site from which one may obtain drivers for elderly ati cards?11:27
PumpernickelThose are typically supported by pre-included drivers.  Are you having any particular problems with them?11:28
nekomanceri have what ubuntu believes is a "Rage 128 PF/PRO AGP 4x TMDS" (i'm not sure, i saved the computer from being junked), and from what it did when it had windows on the pc i think preformance is lacking.11:29
nekomancerit is old, i know, but i think it can be made to work better than it is11:30
nekomanceri do know that it is some type of ati card11:30
nekomancershould have looked in the bios, thinking about it.11:30
Jester45the inculded drivers most likly are the best the driver from ATI tends to be only good for newer cards11:31
Jester45type lspci in a terminal to find out what card it is11:32
nekomancerstill the same thing11:34
nekomanceri pulled the card type from lshw and xorg.conf11:34
nekomancer"Rage 128 PF/PRO AGP 4x TMDS"11:35
ubotuTo view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse11:37
nekomanceraro, may i ask why you keep asking the bot questions?11:37
aroWhy else does one ask the bot questions?11:38
aroTo obtain answers11:38
nekomancerit just seems strange that you simply ask the bot.11:38
TheSheeparo: you can /msg it11:38
nekomancer(as opposed to the people in the room)11:39
nekomancerare you trying to get your windows programs to run under ubuntu from a dual boot hdd?11:39
aroI check the bot first and read the links that it provides, and if I still have trouble, I'll google a bit, and then if I still have trouble, I'll ask in the channel11:39
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jasonwolfhi folks -- im trying to run a scrpt in Xchat that is looking for Gtk2.pm -- i tried to search for it but it doesnt appear to be in my system - -where should it be, or what do i need to install to get it?12:03
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h3sp4wnaptitude search gtk~nperl12:03
h3sp4wnI would guess libgtk2-perl12:04
h3sp4wnjasonwolf: ^^12:04
jasonwolfthank you12:04
jasonwolfwhat is aptitiude?12:04
Jester45package manager*12:04
jasonwolfoh - -ok12:05
q-tjester45: me?12:05
Jester45like synaptic but cli12:05
Jester45q-t: no to jasonwolf12:05
jasonwolfbetter or worse than apt?12:05
Jester45try running just aptitude12:06
h3sp4wnhas advantages and disadvantages12:06
q-tI tried to fix the graph card thing on my xubuntu on my laptop, and went into system->administration->restricted drivers manager and enabled the card....but its gone wacko on me now:P12:06
h3sp4wn(but for me its advantages outweigh its disadvantages)12:06
jasonwolfok - thanks12:06
Jester45i like apt's simple ness12:07
q-tthat linux-restricted-modules-generic is the advice given on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI12:07
q-ti love apt:D12:07
h3sp4wnjasonwolf: http://people.debian.org/~dburrows/aptitude-doc/en/ch02s03.html (that is what sold it for me)12:07
Jester45and its what my linux abilities grew up on along with nano12:07
h3sp4wnapt-cache's reg exp stuff is a pain to use12:07
jasonwolfcool - - i use gentoo at work  -and portage is superb but i dont want that much fiddling with it for casual12:07
jasonwolfbtw - that was the right package12:08
Jester45some people dont stick around long12:10
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spasticteapotAnyone here used the M-audio Audiophile USB soundcard under xubuntu?12:18
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spasticteapotI think I need to download a module or something to make it work.12:18
ScrapeHow do I slow down the cursor speed of an evdev mouse? It doesn't seem to be affected by the control panel settings.12:18
h3sp4wndoes it not just use the snd-usb-audio module12:18
spasticteapoth3sp4wn: Nope. Won't even show up under lsusb.12:19
Jester45anyone know why sudo rm -d will not remove a directory and gives the error rm: cannot remove `/home/ryan/Desktop/qemu': Is a directory12:19
ScrapeJester45: try rm -r12:21
Merchelorm -rf /12:21
Merchelowrong window sorry12:21
ScrapeJester45: don't type rm -rf /12:22
Scrapethat would be bad12:22
Jester45i know12:22
Merchelobut rm -rf the directory will work12:22
ScrapeJester45: I tried rm -d on a directory here, didn't work either. Don't know why, but rm -r will work12:22
Jester45thunar cant delete it when in trash12:23

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