[12:26] <odat> what is the terminal command to discover your internal ip address from your router?
[12:27] <h3sp4wn> ifconfig $1 | awk '/inet addr/ {printf "%s\n", substr($2,6)}' | grep -v ^127 (something like that)
[12:32] <cjae> h3sp4wn, ok it seems just to be libdvdcss
[12:32] <h3sp4wn> get it from /msg ubotu seveas
[12:33] <cjae> cause I just got another dvd to use xdvdshrink and it worked I guess madagascar has to hard an encyption
[12:37] <pRrp> check it.. in xfce.. somethin is weird with xscreensaver.. on boot i get this little 1 inch square that looks barcodelike.. distortion.. but if i wait for the screensaver to come on and i hit a key it disappears.. also i can make it disappear by going into suspend and then waking it up
[12:37] <pRrp> i've disabled the screensaver and powersave mode and restarted.. but i still get it.. xscreensaver is still running in processes too.
[12:52] <nopcode> hey
[12:52] <nopcode> after installing the nvidia driver using envy, i'm getting "cannot find -lGL" when linking opengl programs
[12:52] <nopcode> actually i dont have libGL.so in /usr/lib
[12:52] <nopcode> only libGL.so.1
[12:52] <nopcode> and linking that to libGL.so helps but that link is gone after rebooting
[12:53] <nopcode> any hints?
[01:05] <Riot777> hi
[01:06] <Riot777> anybody know how to hide mounted hard disk icon on xfce desktop ?
[01:06] <Riot777> dunno why xubuntu mounted a partition on my desktop it's not removable media
[01:47] <Frem> pRrp, I get that also. It shows when restoring from hibernation, right?
[01:49] <pRrp> frem; nah it shows when i boot up sometimes
[01:49] <pRrp> and wont go away until i suspend then wake it up..
[01:49] <Frem> huh
[01:49] <Frem> It's centered around the mouse pointer for me, there's also some green lines at the top of the screen. I believe it's part of whatever the graphics card has buffered, if that makes any sense. Like, if I've booted Windows recently, I can sometimes make out a messed up version of the windows boot screen.
[01:50] <BrendanM> weird
[01:50] <BrendanM> what kind of graphics card is it?
[01:50] <Frem> But for me, it only shows for a few seconds when I restore from hibernation. I've got an on-board ATI Xpress 200m.
[01:50] <pRrp> ah. well this is a square box in the top left corner.. it has something to do with xscreensaver.. also i think i need to add some options to my xorg.conf to let my ati adapter work better. this is an old laptop. im sure there's something i can do
[01:51] <nopcode> ati? ha-ha! </nelson>
[01:51] <BrendanM> Are you using the ati proprietary drivers or the free drivers?
[03:29] <cjae> how do I change Amules port 4665 to another port maybe in the 55000 + range
[03:30] <cjae> Extended server requests UDP port
[03:45] <Rynux91> I just keep coming back to confuse somebody...
[03:46] <Rynux91> weird problem...
[03:46] <spasticteapot> I recently had a system crash, and I'm getting filesystem errors on startup.
[03:46] <Rynux91> everytime I try to run terminal, the x desktop enviroment ethier stops, or crashes...
[03:47] <spasticteapot> Where the fnord can I find the logfile, and could someone look over it if I pastedump it somewhere?
[03:47] <Rynux91> then if I'm not running anything...it'll simply ask me to re-login....and if I'm running something...it simply stops working...
[03:48] <chatnoir> hello!
[03:49] <spasticteapot> Hello.
[03:49] <chatnoir> Just have two minor issues...
[03:49] <spasticteapot> chatnoir: Can you tell me where my boot logfile is?
[03:50] <chatnoir> ???
[03:50] <chatnoir> boot logfile?
[03:51] <spasticteapot> Er, the one that records all the crazy text that comes up on my screen when I boot.
[03:52] <chatnoir> in /boot ?
[03:53] <chatnoir> I mean in a file located in it...
[03:53] <spasticteapot> Dunno.
[03:55] <chatnoir> can somebody tell me how to setup my trackpoint device? I'm on Xubuntu Feisty, IBM Thinkpad X21
[03:56] <chatnoir> ...I just wanna make it more sensitive
[04:08] <M_42> does anyone know how to get your backlight on your lcd to turn off
[04:18] <M_42> anyone know how to force a lcd monitor to turn its backlight off?
[04:28] <deniz_ogut> Hi Dear Friends! xubuntu 7.04 Feisty. I'm trying to burn a ISO image but Xfburn is totally silent. I mean I can get to the dialog windowses, but it doesn't burn. What to do?
[04:34] <M_42> I use k3b 1.01 (getdeb.net)
[04:34] <M_42> to burn cds even though its kde
[04:34] <M_42> nero linux is good also but its not free
[04:42] <deniz_ogut> M_42: I know about k3b and its a good tool. But I wonder why the default writer of xubuntu is not writing. I made a search and in forums there's discussions that during Feisty era iso burning spec of Xfburn was broken. But it is unbelivable if it is still reamlaining broken in Feisty. I don't want to believe this and I'm trying to learn what I am doing wrong. Otherwise, it means that there's another huge problem. The question is simple: Is there anybo
[04:43] <M_42> I could never get it to work
[04:43] <M_42> so I went k3b
[04:43] <M_42> :C
[04:45] <deniz_ogut> *during feisty era= during edgy era.
[04:45] <deniz_ogut> M_42: Thank you for answering.
[04:46] <M_42> np  nerolinux is also very good
[04:46] <M_42> I think there are serials up on mininova
[04:47] <M_42> it doesn't use kde-libs
[04:47] <M_42> I wish I could figure out how to force my lcd to turn off
[04:47] <M_42> the backlight stays on
[04:47] <M_42> lol
[04:48] <deniz_ogut> M_42: Thanks but now for me the problem is not to find a burning too. There's something weird related with xubuntu as an OS. If xfburn was not working (at least was not working well) how can it be put in the next release, Feisty, as the same. Is it a joke?
[04:49] <M_42> i dunno ive seen lots of broken packages
[04:50] <M_42> gaim 1.5 stopped working with msn and they never fixed it till the next version of ubuntu came out
[04:50] <M_42> OOo had a nasty font problem which was fixed in 2.1 but they never updated
[04:50] <M_42> lots of little annoying things
[04:50] <M_42> like that
[04:51] <deniz_ogut> Yes the amazing one being the default terminal emulator. In your opinion, what is to be done? Do we waste our energy by dealing with xubuntu?
[04:51] <spasticteapot> deniz_ogut: What's your problem again?
[04:51] <deniz_ogut> Is the best to give our efforts to Ubuntu?
[04:51] <spasticteapot> I've NEVER had any trouble with Xubuntu.
[04:51] <spasticteapot> It has a wacky implementation of XFCE to make it more Gnome-like.
[04:52] <deniz_ogut> We were discussing about why I didn't manage to write an ISO image to a CD via xfburn.
[04:52] <spasticteapot> Go over to #XFCE for advanced help - they're the guys to ask when you have something like a faulty CD burning problem.
[04:52] <deniz_ogut> This is not XFCE guys problem.
[04:53] <deniz_ogut> isn't xubuntu responsible if some tool they put in the package isn't working?
[04:53] <deniz_ogut> Then I will install an Ubuntu server and xfce on it.
[04:53] <deniz_ogut> Why there's a xubuntu then?
[04:54] <spasticteapot> deniz_ogut: For people who need a lighter distro than Ubuntu?
[04:54] <spasticteapot> Personally, I think Ubuntu's only saving grace is ease of use - I'm thinking of moving to Arch, but I'd miss Sudo.
[04:54] <deniz_ogut> Dear frield, I know this need and I USE xubuntu as well.
[04:54] <deniz_ogut> and I want xubuntu be good, better etc.
[04:54] <spasticteapot> Fair 'nuff.
[04:55] <spasticteapot> Personally, I agree.
[04:55] <spasticteapot> Arch linux, aside from being a bit trickier to use, seems to be vastly superior.
[04:55] <deniz_ogut> But if that iso burning tool was not working during the previous release and if it is still not working, there's a serious..... I mean its wrong.
[04:55] <spasticteapot> Yep.
[04:55] <spasticteapot> I don't even HAVE an internal optical drive.
[04:56] <deniz_ogut> Here for many such issues people keep saying: Install another tool or tell to the upstream.
[04:56] <deniz_ogut> This is not acceptable.
[04:56] <deniz_ogut> xubuntu as an OS should work under its own integrity.
[04:56] <deniz_ogut> What emlse can I say?
[04:57] <deniz_ogut> spasticteapot: Ok you don't have an optical drive. But if optical drives are much more for xubuntu then we will say that we won't give service for them. If we do, and if we put a device for it, we expect it to work.
[05:00] <deniz_ogut> spasticteapot: This is the one of several unbelivable things I'm discovering in xubuntu. First one was terminal emulator is causing x to crash. And what said is: This is an upstream issue and install another tool. These are not serious manners.
[05:01] <T`> hmm
[05:01] <T`> deniz_ogut, i dont have that prob
[05:01] <spasticteapot> deniz_ogut: I know what you mean - everyone is focusing on Gnomebuntu.
[05:01] <spasticteapot> Personally, I'm wondering if Xubuntu should be replaced with an Arch-based distro.
[05:02] <spasticteapot> I'm installing it on my laptop this weekend.
[05:02] <spasticteapot> In a new partition. of course.
[05:02] <T`> i haven't tried the gnome based ubuntu.. is it still dog slow as it used to be?
[05:02] <deniz_ogut> For many architectures there is. Forums and Launcpad bugzilla is full of them. Anyway. There may be bugs, some of them may be serious as well but we can't say "install something else" or "this is upstream related". User, in the last resolution, demands something usable.
[05:03] <deniz_ogut> Why did I change from Ubuntu to xubuntu then, if I will install all their tools?
[05:03] <T`> deniz_ogut, what exactly is your issue?
[05:04] <deniz_ogut> I beileve that I am doing something wrong, to write iso image via xfburn.
[05:04] <deniz_ogut> But it seems that it is the case for everybody.
[05:04] <deniz_ogut> And not in feisty but in edgy as well.
[05:04] <T`> i dont like xfburn
[05:04] <deniz_ogut> and I don't want to believe this.
[05:04] <T`> i use gnomebaker
[05:05] <deniz_ogut> and I don't want to install k3b.
[05:05] <deniz_ogut> This is wnat i ask.
[05:05] <T`> deniz_ogut, what the heck are you freaking out about
[05:05] <T`> just shut up and use what works best for you.. this is linux.. free software
[05:05] <deniz_ogut> Dear T. Problem is not liking xfburn or not liking it.
[05:05] <T`> i install software which suits my needs all the time
[05:05] <T`> i use xmms,
[05:05] <deniz_ogut> What i ask is: is xfburn work for someone or not?
[05:06] <deniz_ogut> it is that simple.
[05:06] <T`> mplayer, etc.
[05:06] <T`> i dont like xfmedia.. it sucks.. so what
[05:06] <T`> but i'm saying: if it doesn't work, then use what works
[05:06] <T`> there is so much choice.. and its beautiful
[05:06] <T`> you have to be very glad
[05:06] <T`> not like windows
[05:06] <deniz_ogut> if the default tool is not working at all, there's a distro problem.
[05:07] <T`> yea.. but unfortunately tools take time to mature
[05:07] <deniz_ogut> i am talking about the default one. and not about chances. it is not working.
[05:07] <T`> just like anything else in life
[05:07] <T`> i highly recommend you use something else other than xfburn
[05:07] <deniz_ogut> you are right.
[05:07] <T`> i like xubuntu cuz its FFAAAASST
[05:07] <T`> i dont care about its tools
[05:07] <T`> i instlal my own.. thunderbird, firefox, xmms, mplayer, etc..
[05:08] <T`> i  use lightweight stuff..
[05:08] <T`> i agree it sucks xfmedia never works
[05:08] <T`> atleast for me it always hangs up
[05:08] <T`> but then i just dont care.. cuz i know a software which works awesome.. mplayer
[05:08] <deniz_ogut> dear T I have a 128 ram and I like xubuntu for being fast as well. But this does not mean that we won't dibcuss the whole scene.
[05:09] <spasticteapot> You need more RAM.
[05:09] <spasticteapot> T': If I wanted to install all my own tools, I'd bloody well use Debian.
[05:09] <T`> yea i see what you mean.. there is a real problem here with not making these tools better
[05:09] <T`> but i think they just need time
[05:09] <T`> spasticteapot, then please do?
[05:10] <T`> i only install _a few_ of my own tools
[05:10] <spasticteapot> Rolemaster - E Shit Critical Tables, excerpted from Companion XVIII: Shit
[05:10] <spasticteapot> has happened, blinding the poor unfortunant permenantly, breaking both
[05:10] <spasticteapot> their arms, and stunning them for 27 rounds. They expire in a miserable
[05:10] <spasticteapot> heap 6 rounds later. Pity, that.
[05:10] <deniz_ogut> :-) If I have more ram I won't use xubuntu! There are milions of 128 ram machines around the world and GNU/Linux is capable to operate them well.
[05:10] <spasticteapot> Ack, wrong chatroom.
[05:10] <spasticteapot> T': I like Ubuntu because it's easy to use.
[05:10] <spasticteapot> I don't want to install my own tools.
[05:11] <spasticteapot> I want to install, and have everything work.
[05:11] <spasticteapot> I thought that was the whole point of Ubuntu.
[05:11] <deniz_ogut> You are right and what i am trying to say is this.
[05:12] <T`> spasticteapot, perhaps.. xubuntu is an offshoot.. has advantages/disadvantages
[05:12] <deniz_ogut> "linux for human beings". Not only for geeks.
[05:12] <T`> spasticteapot, give them some time dude.. they are all doing us free service..
[05:12] <spasticteapot> Yes. But they are sucking at it.
[05:12] <T`> i know.. i'm just pissed you guys dont appriaciate their work
[05:12] <spasticteapot> I'm not going to bloody donate any money 'till they fix xubuntu.
[05:12] <T`> oh thats fine
[05:12] <T`> you should state that to them
[05:12] <deniz_ogut> I'm not blaming the developers, I'm trying to contribute for the things to be better.
[05:13] <T`> but the best way to encourage them is to thank them
[05:13] <spasticteapot> T': As someone who has worked as a sysadmin for free - donating my own time - I can say : "THBBT!"
[05:13] <T`> cuz they aren't obviously doing it for the money
[05:13] <deniz_ogut> And I'll report this xfburn issue as well.
[05:13] <spasticteapot> It's not done 'till it all works.
[05:13] <spasticteapot> Gnome is, IMO, a worse choice than XFCE. Much more bloaty.
[05:13] <T`> spasticteapot, have you used ubuntu lately?
[05:13] <deniz_ogut> and for the moment, yes I'll install some other tool, solve my personal problem but this doesn't mean that the main problem is solved.
[05:14] <T`> spasticteapot, just wondering how it compares to xubuntu on a fast machine.. like an intel core duo..
[05:14] <spasticteapot> T': Gnomebuntu, no.
[05:14] <deniz_ogut> Up to feisty, I was using Ubuntu.
[05:14] <spasticteapot> T': I don't have a C2D. I have a 1ghz single-core Pentium M.
[05:14] <deniz_ogut> During Edgy era I used Ubuntu.
[05:14] <spasticteapot> Hence Xubuntu.
[05:14] <T`> ah oko
[05:14] <T`> deniz_ogut, how is it compared to xuubnut speed wise?
[05:14] <deniz_ogut> for 1 month I'm using xubuntu.
[05:15] <T`> deniz_ogut, i am buying a new comp.. 2GB/C2D e6600, etc..
[05:15] <deniz_ogut> xubuntu is obviously much more speedy.
[05:15] <deniz_ogut> because of desktops.
[05:15] <T`> even on a fast comp?
[05:15] <T`> what?
[05:15] <deniz_ogut> Ubuntu= gnome xubuntu= xfce
[05:15] <deniz_ogut> I don't know the fast computers.
[05:16] <deniz_ogut> mine is a low end one and ubuntu was slow.
[05:16] <deniz_ogut> xubuntu is for me.
[05:16] <deniz_ogut> But I belive that even in a fast pc, xubuntu will run faster than Ubuntu.
[05:17] <j1mmc> deniz_ogut: yes, xubuntu is a little more snappy, even on a fast pc.
[05:17] <deniz_ogut> but I believe that, even if I have a fast computer I may prefer xubuntu. because i like its simplicity.
[05:18] <T`> j1mmc, ohok
[05:18] <heavywolf> really interesting conversation guys, im about to start using xubuntu on an old pc
[05:18] <T`> i'm assuming kubuntu is just slower than ubuntu/xubuntu?
[05:18] <deniz_ogut> heavywolf: If you have an old computer, xubuntu is THE best.
[05:19] <heavywolf> yeah, that what a friend told me, im going to try it out
[05:19] <deniz_ogut> yes kubuntu (kde) is the "slowest" one.
[05:19] <heavywolf> but i have a question
[05:19] <heavywolf> can you use beryl on xubuntu?
[05:19] <deniz_ogut> But much more "eye candy".
[05:19] <j1mmc> kubuntu and ubuntu are slower than xubuntu, but you need to weigh features, too.  xubuntu isn't quite as feature rich as kubuntu or ubuntu
[05:19] <j1mmc> heavywolf: yes, you can use beryl on xubuntu
[05:19] <heavywolf> perfect
[05:20] <heavywolf> that's what i want
[05:20] <deniz_ogut> As far as I know you can use beryl on xubuntu. but x-ubuntu can handle beryl doesn't mean it can handle on all machines I belive.
[05:20] <heavywolf> thats reasonable
[05:20] <heavywolf> i used to use ubuntu before
[05:20] <heavywolf> when it was the 5.04 version
[05:21] <deniz_ogut> You can install beryl on xubuntu on an 1 gb ram machine; it is sometheng, 128 ram machine, it is somletnhirg else.
[05:21] <heavywolf> now im trying to upgrade everything till 7
[05:21] <heavywolf> i just havent use it in a while hehe
[05:23] <skyde> i would like a stric "python script.py" to start a boot time
[05:23] <skyde> how i do that
[05:24] <heavywolf> T` what version of xubuntu do you use?
[05:44] <skyde> 7.04
[06:33] <hitmanWilly> 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0
[06:33] <hitmanWilly> :)
[07:11] <Jester45> !info hal
[07:11] <ubotu> hal: Hardware Abstraction Layer. In component main, is optional. Version 0.5.8.1-4ubuntu12 (feisty), package size 543 kB, installed size 1512 kB
[07:12] <Jester45> theres a update for hal just so you know, and you need to use dist-upgrade or hal is kepted back
[07:53] <deniz_ogut> Hi dear friends. Reminding that I am a relatively new bug reporter triager. Questions: 1- If a bug is reported for a previous release, and if I have the same of it in the current one, should I report a new bug or add a comment to the existing one? If there was an old similar report and if it is rejected by someone who is supposed to know what he is doing but if I believe that the bug (still) exists, what should I do? The real situation is for Bug #830
[07:54] <deniz_ogut> TheSheep: You please have a look at my question above. I know that you understand me.
[07:56] <deniz_ogut> Sorry sorry. Wrong channel. I am going to ubuntu-bugs. sorry.
[08:38] <xjkx> dont care for languages, then i didnt download the language CD, somethings here is in english but i understand english, problem is that i cant see accent keys, its probably the charset, how do i change system's charset? its probably using UTF-8 and i need iso8859-1 or its using iso and i need utf-8, unsure
[08:38] <xjkx> my echo $lang has;
[08:38] <xjkx> pt_BR.UTF-8
[09:52] <cjae> how do I remove entries from the applications menu (ones installed by wine) the edit menu is so strange
[09:53] <cjae> is there just a normal config file I can edit like with nano or something?
[09:56] <cjae> cause the xfce4-menu editor only has like three of the listed applications in it actually it does list them at all it lists SETTINGS,SETTINGS MANAGER and About XFCE
[09:56] <cjae> hello
[09:58] <aussieman> what can i use to comose html gu style as i cant get moz-composer
[09:59] <hyper_ch> cjae: ~/.cache/xfce4/desktop  on of the files in there
[10:00] <cjae> hyper_ch, thanks I 'll try and check back
[10:13] <cjae> hyper_ch, this was under menu-cache--home-cjae-.config-xfce4-desktop-menu.xml it seems to be the only one that has the other entry may I just delete were it starts at <menu name="Other" icon="applications-other">
[10:14] <cjae> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/20462/
[10:17] <cjae> hello
[10:19] <cjae> hyper_ch, did you die on me??
[10:23] <grazie> cjae: maybe but probably just away from the keyboard. What's the problem? (Incidently I've got a very unreliable connection at the moment)
[10:24] <cjae> grazie, thanks I ma trying to get rid of the applications menu created by wine which I purged
[10:25] <grazie> cjae: do you know where in the menu?
[10:25] <cjae> grazie, and I asked if there was something else I could use to edit the menu besides the xfce4 menu editor
[10:26] <cjae> and he told me to go to ~/.cache/xfce4/desktop and look in those files
[10:26] <grazie> cjae: the xfce menu editor can change anything that's not part of the system menu
[10:26] <cjae> how
[10:26] <grazie> cjae: the system menu is controlled by .desktop files in /usr/share/applications
[10:27] <grazie> cjae: is the wine entry in the system menu?
[10:27] <cjae> I only have three entries in menu editor and none of them are applications
[10:27] <cjae> no right above it
[10:28] <cjae> in the menu editor I only have settings, settings manager and about xfce
[10:28] <cjae> and some separators
[10:29] <grazie> cjae: then the menu entries must be part of the system menu which is controlled as described above ^^
[10:30] <cjae> it is NOT part of the system menu
[10:31] <cjae> oh I see sorry hang on
[10:31] <grazie> cjae: you could 'grep <menu entry> /usr/share/applications/*.desktop' to find the right .desktop file
[10:32] <cjae> see he told me to look in ~/.cache/xfce4/desktop
[10:32] <cjae> but would this not just be cache
[10:32] <grazie> cache is cache
[10:33] <grazie> or to be accurate .cache is cache
[10:35] <cjae> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/20464/
[10:35] <cjae> grazie,
[10:36] <cjae> grazie, so deleting the cache would not be useful??
[10:37] <grazie> it won't remove the wine menu entries no
[10:38] <cjae> I purged wine why did it leave this
[10:38] <cjae> sort of like winblows add/remove leaving folders
[10:39] <cjae> grazie, did you get the pastebin??
[10:39] <hyper_ch> !install
[10:39] <ubotu> Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues - See also !automate
[10:40] <grazie> due to the way it's been packaged (sorry just lost connection again)
[10:40] <cjae> grazie, did you get my pastebin?? http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/20464/
[10:43] <grazie> cjae: I can see it now. Is "other" the menu entry?
[10:44] <cjae> grazie, yes
[10:45] <grazie> cjae: what menu items are there in "other"
[10:46] <cjae> help. isobuster, order now, uninstall now
[10:47] <grazie> cjae: which one(s) do you want to remove?
[10:47] <cjae> all including other
[10:48] <grazie> cjae: yes, but each of those menu entries will have a .desktop file in /usr/share/applications. You should search for "isobuster", etc...
[10:50] <grazie> cjae: also case is important. use "grep -i" to ignore case
[10:58] <aussieman> grazie, why cant i find mozilla composer?
[10:59] <cjae> grazie, I am lost I tried grep -i isobuster /usr/share
[10:59] <grazie> aussieman: I don't know. Why can't you find mozilla composer? :)
[10:59] <aussieman> dunno
[11:00] <aussieman> its not in the repos
[11:00] <grazie> don't know the app
[11:00] <aussieman> and i wnat a simple html composer
[11:00] <grazie> !info composer
[11:00] <ubotu> Package composer does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[11:00] <aussieman> thats right ubotu so what can i use?
[11:01] <grazie> aussieman: is not part of the mozilla suite?
[11:01] <grazie> !info mozilla
[11:01] <ubotu> Package mozilla does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[11:01] <aussieman> wel cant see it in the apt cache
[11:01] <aussieman> very good ubotu
[11:01] <aussieman> is he a bot! stupid me
[11:02] <aussieman> html composer?
[11:02] <cjae> and I tried just making my way there by the file manager and the is no /usr/share/applications/.desktop folder
[11:02] <cjae> !info thunderbird
[11:02] <grazie> cjae:  no....grep -i isobuster /usr/share/applications/*.desktop
[11:03] <ubotu> Package thunderbird does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[11:03] <grazie> that can't be right
[11:03] <grazie> !info mozilla-thunderbird
[11:03] <aussieman>  !info html
[11:03] <ubotu> mozilla-thunderbird: Mozilla Thunderbird standalone mail client. In component main, is optional. Version 1.5.0.10-0ubuntu3 (feisty), package size 10635 kB, installed size 29700 kB
[11:03] <ubotu> Package html does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[11:03] <aussieman> !info html
[11:03] <aussieman> thunderbird exists
[11:04] <grazie> !info mozilla-composer
[11:04] <ubotu> Package mozilla-composer does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[11:04] <aussieman> but who knows a simple esay html editor like composer on mozilla?
[11:04] <cjae> grazie, nothing
[11:04] <aussieman> see
[11:04] <aussieman> ubotu, knows a lot
[11:04] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about knows a lot - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:05] <aussieman> ubotu, is very polite
[11:05] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about is very polite - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:05] <cjae> aussieman, you just want an email editor
[11:06] <aussieman> !info mozilla-suite
[11:06] <ubotu> Package mozilla-suite does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[11:06] <aussieman> no i want to make web pages
[11:06] <aussieman> without stuffing around with too much html detail
[11:06] <grazie> aussieman: found this
[11:06] <aussieman> http://www.mozilla.org/products/mozilla1.x/
[11:06] <cjae> ahh I thought I wasn't right
[11:06] <grazie> !info mozilla-cascades
[11:07] <ubotu> Package mozilla-cascades does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[11:08] <grazie> aussieman: that package is in edgy but not feisty. don't know why
[11:08] <grazie> !info edgy mozilla-composer
[11:08] <ubotu> Package edgy does not exist in feisty
[11:08] <aussieman> ok
[11:08] <grazie> !info mozilla-composer edgy
[11:08] <aussieman> yeh
[11:09] <ubotu> Package mozilla-composer does not exist in edgy
[11:09] <aussieman> lol
[11:09] <aussieman> too smart bot
[11:09] <cjae> smrt
[11:09] <grazie> aussieman: use http://packages.ubuntu.com to search
[11:10] <grazie> cjae:  try "grep -i wine /usr/share/applications/*.desktop"
[11:10] <cjae> anyway. grazie after an updatedb locate only finds the isobuster installer in my /home
[11:11] <cjae> grazie, nothing
[11:11] <grazie> cjae: yeah you've removed the app, but the menu details are still there
[11:11] <grazie> cjae: yes?
[11:11] <cjae> yes
[11:11] <cjae> the grep wine showed nothing
[11:12] <grazie> cjae: do "ls /usr/share/applications/*.desktop" and pastebin the output
[11:12] <cjae> is it just in cache and a complete reboot would rid it??
[11:13] <aussieman> y si quieres un manual de HTML aqui hay uno muy bueno: http://desarrolloweb.com/html/
[11:13] <aussieman> O tambien el mozilla composer... me parece que es...
[11:13] <aussieman> Code:
[11:13] <aussieman> sudo aptitude install mozilla-browser
[11:13] <aussieman> but i still cant find it --- seesm that is the name
[11:13] <grazie> cjae: a reboot may clear the menu. Best just delete ~/.cache
[11:15] <aussieman> ahaha  its now known as seamonkey http://www.mozilla.org/projects/seamonkey/
[11:15] <cjae> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/20465/
[11:15] <aussieman> but we dont have it
[11:15] <cjae> grazie,
[11:16] <cjae> sh*t I was trying to remember that name
[11:17] <aussieman> !info seamonkey
[11:17] <ubotu> Package seamonkey does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[11:17] <grazie> aussieman: I'm pretty sure that composer is part of mozilla (the suite), which is avaible on edgy but dropped from feisty
[11:17] <aussieman> SeaMonkey 1.1.1
[11:17] <aussieman> SeaMonkey 1.1.1
[11:17] <aussieman>     The next generation of the all-in-one internet application suite
[11:18] <aussieman> i couldnt find it in edgy on the pacakeges site
[11:18] <aussieman> but i gonna try seammonkey from the mozilla site
[11:18] <aussieman> lets see
[11:18] <aussieman> thanks grazie! grazie gracias grazie
[11:19] <cjae> grazie, did you get the pastebin
[11:20] <grazie> cjae: yes, nothing obvious. Did you trying deleting ~/.cache
[11:20] <cjae> no I was waiting for a response
[11:20] <grazie> try deleting* :)
[11:20] <cjae> I will
[11:28] <cjae> grazie, didn't work
[11:29] <grazie> cjae: ok, those menu entries must be hidden somewhere in those .desktop files
[11:29] <deniz_ogut> Hi all! xubuntu Feisty. How can I learn the "chipset" of my PC? Any command? And which part of the output will tell me the chipset?
[11:30] <cjae> grazie, but now I have less entries in ~/.cache/xfce/desktop
[11:34] <cjae> grazie, found it
[11:35] <cjae> ~/.local/share/applications/wine/Programs/smartprojects/Isobuster
[11:36] <cjae> and then all the entries under the other
[11:39] <kmindi> hello
[11:39] <kmindi> I am new to linux - (x)ubuntu.
[11:39] <cjae> grazie, should I just delete the wine folder
[11:39] <kmindi> I have a question :
[11:39] <grazie> cjae: sorry yes. I forgot about the ~/.local/...
[11:39] <deniz_ogut> kmindi: hello. listening
[11:40] <grazie> cjae: sorry yes. I forgot about the ~/.local/... (I just got disconnected again)
[11:40] <kmindi> after i login the add/delete new software dialog appears.
[11:40] <kmindi> how can i stop it loading every login?
[11:40] <grazie> cjae: if wine is gone yes
[11:40] <deniz_ogut> kmindi: Where does it appear?
[11:41] <kmindi> as a new window
[11:41] <cjae> grazie, why did they make the menu editor suck so bad
[11:42] <cjae> it's the only thing that really sucks about xfce
[11:43] <deniz_ogut> kmindi: wait a minute please. I'm looking for something. It shouldn't appear under normal conditions. You can open it via Applications > System. Just a few minutes please.
[11:43] <grazie> cjae: it's work in progress I think
[11:43] <grazie> cjae: it's work in progress I think (disconnect again)
[11:44] <kmindi> deniz_ogut: ok
[11:45] <cjae> I found it by the ~/.cache/xfce4/desktop/menucache thing it was the first listing for some reason after rm ~/.cache
[11:46] <cjae> thanks for the help grazie
[11:46] <grazie> cjae: np
[11:46] <cjae> later
[11:47] <deniz_ogut> kmindi: Was that situation same from the very beginning you installed xubuntu or did it start after a point?
[11:48] <nessmuk> can one upgrade from Ubuntu Dapper directly to Xubuntu Feisty, or is it better to install the Xubuntu fresh, from scratch.
[11:48] <deniz_ogut> kmindi: are you there?
[11:49] <kmindi> deniz_ogut: sorry I cant't remember but I just installed it lets say 5 reboots ago.
[11:49] <nessmuk> In Ubuntu, you can Right-Click an item in the menubar and choose the option to show it in the panel. Can you do this in Xubuntu?
[11:49] <kmindi> deniz_ogut: I think I did not change something . But thats what everyone says if a problem occours...
[11:50] <deniz_ogut> kmindi: lets try this. Will you please go to Applications > Settings > Autostarted applications and tell me what exists there?
[11:50] <kmindi> deniz_ogut: wait...
[11:52] <kmindi> deniz_ogut: there is the printer queue applet, the gkrellm, "Verwaltung eingeschreankter Treiber", but checked is only the printer aplett
[11:53] <kmindi> in the description it says something : these apllications are loaded in addition to those saved by/after logoff session.
[11:53] <deniz_ogut> kmindi: thinking about it.
[11:54] <deniz_ogut> kimindi: did you mak the installation in German?
[11:54] <kmindi> deniz_ogut: yes
[11:55] <deniz_ogut> kmindi: wait a fex minutes please
[11:56] <kmindi> deniz_ogut: no problem
[11:58] <deniz_ogut> kmindi: sorry. I don't know. I couldn't find anything related. Are you hanging here for some time?
[11:59] <kmindi> deniz_ogut: thanks anyway maybe I get it work by myself. I think so.
[11:59] <deniz_ogut> i will try to find you here if you will be here and if i find something. Try to ask the room later maybe there will be someone who knows about it.
[12:00] <kmindi> ok, thanks.
[12:02] <deniz_ogut> !add/delete
[12:02] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about add/delete - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:13] <Merchelo> !startup
[12:13] <ubotu> To add programs to start up when you log into your Gnome session go to System>Preferences>Sessions and use the Startup Programs tab. For more information, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AddingProgramToSessionStartup
[12:13] <Merchelo> kmindi: ^^^
[12:20] <kmindi> yes... and where can I find this tab in xubuntu?
[12:22] <deniz_ogut> kmindi: applications > settings > sessios and Startup Settings
[12:23] <deniz_ogut> *sessios= sessions
[12:24] <deniz_ogut> Merchelo: But most probably kmindi haven't done anything to the default settings there. It should be something else but what.
[12:27] <kmindi> under sessions and Startup Settings is no tab which was described above...
[12:27] <kmindi> just two with a few checkboxes.
[12:35] <kmindi> so: I am on to making a fresh installation . in english. -> started.
[12:57] <shriphani> folks network manager kicks off 4 applets in xfce... any ideas on how to prevent this ?
[01:24] <b52> hey guys
[01:25] <b52> i could need a little help
[01:25] <shriphani> like ?
[01:25] <b52> im actually running the xubuntu desktop cd 7.04 i want to install it
[01:25] <b52> but i dont know how to set up my partitions
[01:25] <b52> im also running winxp and want to keep it
[01:26] <shriphani> hmm give your xp 10 gb.... or 20
[01:26] <b52> my winxp uses 25gig
[01:26] <shriphani> ok...
[01:26] <b52> and i want to offer xubuntu also around 25 gig
[01:26] <shriphani> how big is your ram ?
[01:26] <b52> 512
[01:26] <b52> 2 gig swap?
[01:27] <shriphani> ok so set up a swap partition twice that...
[01:27] <b52> two swap partitions?
[01:27] <shriphani> no
[01:27] <shriphani> a swap partition two times your ram size....
[01:27] <shriphani> i.e. 1024 mb
[01:28] <shriphani> or 1 gig
[01:28] <b52> ah ok
[01:28] <b52> how can i make a screenshot of my actuall viewing?
[01:30] <shriphani> i think i got a 4gb root partition and the rest for home and swap...
[01:31] <b52> well, wait i show u what ive done so far
[01:31] <b52> dev/hda
[01:31] <b52> - hda1 ntfs /media/hda1 /(this is my win partition) 25gig
[01:31] <b52> - hda2 swap 1gig
[01:32] <b52> - free space 52gig
[01:32] <b52> dev/hdv
[01:32] <b52> *b
[01:32] <b52> - hdb1 80gig
[01:32] <b52> which filesystem should my / get?
[01:32] <b52> ext3
[01:32] <b52> ?
[01:34] <shriphani> umm care to speak it out in a sentence ?
[01:35] <b52> sorry
[01:38] <b52> how can i create a screenshot of my actuall viewing?
[01:38] <shriphani> well you dont need to
[01:38] <shriphani> i was asking you to put the previous 3 lines in one sentence
[01:39] <b52> should i use the ext3 filesystem for my root partition?
[01:39] <shriphani> sure
[01:40] <b52> could u tell me now how to create a screenshot of my viewing?
[01:40] <shriphani> hmm Applications ------> Accessories ------> Take screenshot.
[01:40] <shriphani> however this is on a ubuntu with xfce installed...
[01:41] <b52> dont have "take a screenshot"
[01:41] <shriphani> do you have gimp in graphics ?
[01:41] <b52> yeah
[01:41] <Merchelo> open a terminal, and type scrot
[01:42] <b52> scrot is currently not installed
[01:42] <b52> im running this live cd
[01:42] <TheSheep> b52: gimp has an option to aquire a screenshot, and you can also add a screenshot applet to the panel
[01:43] <shriphani> well then gimp it is...provided no one else comes up with an idea
[01:43] <b52> i got it, thanks
[01:44] <shriphani> b52, in case you want a look i am pasting my fstab in pvt.
[01:44] <b52> pvt?
[01:44] <shriphani> in a private dialogue window
[01:45] <b52> ah ok
[01:45] <b52> would be nice
[01:45] <b52> what you think about that: http://img523.imageshack.us/my.php?image=untitleddx0.jpg
[01:45] <b52> my windows partition wont get erased, right?
[01:47] <shriphani> doesnt look like it.....
[01:47] <Merchelo> No.
[01:48] <b52> should i change something before i apply it?
[01:51] <Merchelo> nope.
[01:54] <b52> ok, ill install now
[02:54] <b52> sucessfully installed xubuntu :)
[03:05] <infbliss> hi all can somebody tell me how to give execute permissions in vfat partitions
[03:06] <TheSheep> infbliss: fat paritions don't have linux-like permissions
[03:06] <TheSheep> infbliss: they don't support such thing
[03:06] <TheSheep> infbliss: you can add some options to the mount command to have *all* files executable
[03:12] <Laibsch> .
[03:47] <malky> guys, how do i install packages without internet connection? (i need pppoe)
[03:50] <hyper_ch> (1) download the .deb file
[03:50] <hyper_ch> (2) double-click it
[03:52] <Jester45> malky: use a 2nd computer to download the deb then burn it to a disc or to usb thumb drive, then just double click on the computer that needs it
[03:53] <Riot777> hello I installed yesterday on pc xubuntu feisty, I notice that it created on xfce destkop icon of mounted harddrive partition , is there any way to remove that icon, I can't even rename it or something?
[03:54] <hyper_ch> Riot777: right-click desktop --> settings --> behaviour
[03:54] <Jester45> are you sure its not a cd?
[03:54] <Jester45> i never had a harddrive icon
[03:56] <Riot777> Jester45: yep
[03:56] <Riot777> this partition is mounted on /media/stuff I have there some backup files etc
[03:57] <b52> /server -m irc.quakenet.org
[03:57] <Riot777> brb
[03:58] <b52> someone knows how to create a lvm with the installpartitiontool?
[03:59] <Jester45> !lvm
[03:59] <ubotu> Tips and tricks for RAID and LVM can be found on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RaidConfigurationHowto and http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO
[03:59] <b52> thanks
[04:04] <Riot777> k I'm back, I tryed that thingy with icons it worked but
[04:04] <Riot777> how come ubuntu thinks that my third partition is removable drive cause it dissapear only when I "unticked" removable drives
[04:05] <Riot777> so now I don't see cdrom icon when it auto mounts
[04:05] <Riot777> any tips ?:P maybe some config files to edit?
[04:07] <Riot777> I only saw .config/xfce4/desktop/icons.screen0.rc but modifying this file is no go :d
[04:07] <Riot777> I want only to remove that hardrive icon and leave cdrom and floppy
[04:10] <Riot777> anyone ?:P
[05:24] <Jester45> !swat
[05:24] <ubotu> samba is is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT
[05:40] <CotH> Is anyone on #ubuntu here?
[05:40] <CotH> I got asked to paste an error and I got auto kick-banned by chanserv
[05:40] <CotH> Not happy :(
[05:41] <nixternal> CotH: sorry about that, I meant to do a /quiet to stop the flood
[05:41] <nixternal> as soon as the channel resyncs I will remove the ban on you
[05:41] <nixternal> !pastebin
[05:41] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[05:41] <CotH> Okay, ta
[05:42] <nixternal> that is where it should have gone :) my appologies on the finger fumble on my part
[05:44] <nixternal> CotH: fixed, you can rejoin
[06:01] <W8TAH> where do icons get hidden so that i can select them for launchers?
[06:09] <j1mc|afk> W8TAH: they are in /usr/share/icons
[06:09] <j1mc|afk> W8TAH: they come in different sizes and such, so you may have to dig around a little bit to find the one you want.
[06:09] <j1mc|afk> that's where they are, though . . .   :)
[06:18] <b52> ive got a problem with the lvm solution the alternative cd offers
[06:18] <b52> when i want to create a logical volume in my group, it takes a long time
[06:18] <b52> when i check it in the console mode, he says something about not able to open hdc
[06:18] <b52> because of read only
[06:18] <b52> someone has an idea_
[06:22] <Jester45> b52: channel #ubuntu might be more helpfull
[06:22] <Jester45> b52: that problem isnt xubuntu specific
[06:23] <Cannon_Ball> Hello everybody, I am new at Xubuntu
[06:23] <Jester45> hi
[06:23] <Cannon_Ball> I installed it one week ago on an old notebook
[06:23] <Cannon_Ball> and since I'm experiencing loads of problems
[06:24] <Cannon_Ball> hi Jester45
[06:24] <Jester45> go ahead and ask
[06:24] <Cannon_Ball> This morning I decided to reinstall everything from scratch,
[06:24] <Cannon_Ball> to be sure that I did not forget anything I did
[06:25] <Cannon_Ball> So the first problem I have is the OpenOffice suite
[06:25] <Cannon_Ball> Xubuntu comes with a preinstalled Openoffice Word processor
[06:25] <Jester45> yes
[06:25] <fabianruch> kmindi: hey dude :)
[06:25] <Cannon_Ball> Its windows have graphically disturbed edges, I can't see the borders
[06:26] <Cannon_Ball> and I can't click on the usual buttons to change dimensions
[06:26] <Cannon_Ball> With the previous installation, I tried to install twice the whole suite
[06:26] <Cannon_Ball> but there were no changes
[06:26] <Jester45> so the problem is only with openoffice
[06:26] <Cannon_Ball> The thing which makes me go crazy is that it does it only with openoffice
[06:27] <Cannon_Ball> yep
[06:27] <Jester45> try installing sun-java6-jre
[06:27] <Jester45> openoffice has some java in it and that might be messing it up
[06:28] <Cannon_Ball> with the previous installation I had installed Java, which was working fine, but no improvement on this issue
[06:29] <Jester45> ok
[06:29] <Cannon_Ball> with the previous installation I had some problems with multimedia
[06:29] <Jester45> did some things not play?
[06:29] <Cannon_Ball> following the instructions on Medibuntu, I had installed some codecs for WMV
[06:29] <Cannon_Ball> but when launching GXine I could not see anything.
[06:29] <kmindi> ah hi fabianruch
[06:30] <Cannon_Ball> When stopping the video and restarting the PC was rebooting unexpectedly
[06:30] <Cannon_Ball> this was a constant, despite the many different codecs reinstallation
[06:30] <fabianruch> kmindi: everything's working out for you?
[06:30] <Jester45> there might be somthing wrong with your videocard driver
[06:31] <Cannon_Ball> so my feeling now is that Xubuntu has some problem with the video driver
[06:31] <Jester45> Cannon_Ball: what video card does it have
[06:31] <Cannon_Ball> yep, that's it!
[06:31] <kmindi> fabianruch: yes think so.
[06:31] <Cannon_Ball> one moment
[06:32] <fabianruch> kmindi: are you running xubuntu on your new (*blink* blink*) laptop?
[06:32] <Cannon_Ball> I have an amnesia
[06:34] <Cannon_Ball> The TravelMate 505 series are equipped with the Intel 82440 MX chipset
[06:34] <Cannon_Ball> the graphic card is the NeoMagic 2Mb
[06:37] <Cannon_Ball> I suspect that the Xubuntu installation does not properly sets the parameters for this videocard
[06:38] <Cannon_Ball> on the net I only found instructions to set the parameters on the Gentoo distro
[06:39] <Cannon_Ball> how can I check the parameters setting in Xubuntu?
[06:39] <h3sp4wn> If its settings for xorg.conf then you can just use the gentoo ones
[06:40] <Cannon_Ball> ok, but how?
[06:40] <kmindi> fabianruch: yes . its working great .
[06:40] <h3sp4wn> follow the instructions
[06:40] <Cannon_Ball> which instructions?
[06:41] <fabianruch> kmindi: :)
[06:41] <h3sp4wn> 17:39 < Cannon_Ball> on the net I only found instructions to set the parameters on the Gentoo distro
[06:41] <kmindi> fabianruch: but I have problems with my wlan usb stick. there are now drivers for linux so I took ndiswrapper, and I think that works. but then....
[06:41] <fabianruch> kmindi: wait a moment. i'll be back in a minute. :)
[06:41] <Cannon_Ball> the ones for Gentoo require to copy a file (XFConfig...)
[06:42] <Cannon_Ball> I did it but nothing changed
[06:42] <h3sp4wn> so read the file and merge the changes
[06:42] <Cannon_Ball> where? in which file?
[06:42] <h3sp4wn>  /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[06:42] <Cannon_Ball> that's my problem, I don't know which file to change
[06:43] <Cannon_Ball> ok thank, I'll try and come back
[06:53] <fabianruch> kmindi: back
[06:54] <fabianruch> kmindi: poor guy ;)
[06:54] <kmindi|ibm-t20> fabianruch: ok, wb.
[06:54] <fabianruch> kmindi: you shoudl buy a linux compatible wlan pcmcia card
[06:55] <fabianruch> you won't have to worry then
[06:55] <fabianruch> i think that's the best
[06:55] <fabianruch> or: with the right documentation you can writer a driver on your own
[06:55] <kmindi|ibm-t20> fabianruch: I thougt about that option, but I thougt, there must be a way to get this f*cking stick work ....
[06:56] <fabianruch> tell the channel your "stick"'s name
[06:56] <fabianruch> maybe someone can help you out
[06:56] <kmindi|ibm-t20> so here we go: Netgear WG111T .
[06:57] <kmindi|ibm-t20> my notbook is an IBM Thinkpad T20 .
[06:57] <fabianruch> and which did you use? the windows driver?
[06:57] <fabianruch> +driver
[06:57] <kmindi|ibm-t20> (as you may can se in my nickname ^^)
[06:57] <kmindi|ibm-t20> I tried it with the ndiswrapper to set up the windows drivers
[06:57] <fabianruch> we don't like away-nicks and with-more-than-one-nick-in-the-channel guys :D
[06:59] <kmindi|ibm-t20> and it worked-> ndiswrapper shows :
[06:59] <kmindi|ibm-t20> athfmwdl : driver installed device (1385:4251) present
[06:59] <kmindi|ibm-t20> netwg11t : driver installed device (1385:4251) present
[06:59] <fabianruch> huh?
[06:59] <kmindi|ibm-t20> what?
[07:00] <fabianruch> did it really work?
[07:00] <fabianruch> or: should it work? ;)
[07:00] <kmindi|ibm-t20> the part with ndiswrapper works. i think.
[07:00] <fabianruch> which part doesn't?
[07:00] <kmindi|ibm-t20> that part should work
[07:01] <kmindi|ibm-t20> ok the part with wpa_supplicant does not work
[07:01] <kmindi|ibm-t20> shall I show you the debug output?
[07:02] <fabianruch> paste it at rafb.net or some another pastebin
[07:02] <fabianruch> does xubuntu have one?
[07:02] <kmindi|ibm-t20> !pastebin
[07:02] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[07:04] <kmindi|ibm-t20> so here it is:
[07:04] <kmindi|ibm-t20> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/20513/
[07:07] <kmindi|ibm-t20> everyone is looking/reading? ... :)
[07:07] <fabianruch> what does ifconfig -a say?
[07:08] <kmindi|ibm-t20> do you want the full output?
[07:08] <kmindi|ibm-t20> or are you looking for somethink special?
[07:08] <fabianruch> just paste it
[07:08] <kmindi|ibm-t20> ok. wait.
[07:09] <fabianruch> thanks *hugh* :)
[07:10] <kmindi|ibm-t20> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/20516/
[07:11] <fabianruch> and where's your interface wlan0?
[07:11] <kmindi|ibm-t20> dont know
[07:13] <fabianruch> let us see iwconfig's output :)
[07:13] <fabianruch> normally you have to load a module or compile a new kernel
[07:13] <fabianruch> so the driver recognizes your card und will be attached
[07:14] <fabianruch> in the end your card can be used on another layer
[07:14] <fabianruch> can somebody correct me? :)
[07:14] <fabianruch> s/some/any
[07:15] <kmindi|ibm-t20> iwconfig
[07:15] <kmindi|ibm-t20> lo        no wireless extensions.
[07:15] <kmindi|ibm-t20> eth0      no wireless extensions.
[07:15] <kmindi|ibm-t20> irda0     no wireless extensions.
[07:15] <fabianruch> please read the doc again ;)
[07:15] <fabianruch> no, wait
[07:16] <fabianruch> paste 'dmesg | tail'
[07:16] <fabianruch> better: 'dmesg | grep wrapper'
[07:18] <kmindi|ibm-t20> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/20517/
[07:19] <kmindi|ibm-t20> oh...
[07:19] <kmindi|ibm-t20> Windows driver couldn't initialize the device
[07:19] <fabianruch> you got it!!!
[07:20] <kmindi|ibm-t20> ok.
[07:20] <kmindi|ibm-t20> but how can i fix it then.
[07:20] <fabianruch> :D
[07:21] <fabianruch> ehm, _Windows driver_ couldn't initialize the device
[07:21] <kmindi|ibm-t20> yehhhs....
[07:22] <kmindi|ibm-t20> but can you tell me what I have to do now?
[07:23] <kmindi|ibm-t20> do I have to buy a new wlan device?
[07:23] <odat> hi everyone
[07:23] <kmindi|ibm-t20> one that is supported by the linux kernel by default.
[07:23] <kmindi|ibm-t20> hi
[07:23] <odat> anyone know how to load an alsa module on startup?
[07:23] <kmindi|ibm-t20> me not
[07:28] <fabianruch> odat: /etc/modprobe.conf?
[07:28] <fabianruch> man modprobe
[07:29] <fabianruch> kmindi|ibm-t20: according to the error, i think the windows driver doesn't fit your device
[07:29] <fabianruch> are you sure it's the right one and ndiswrapper should work out for it?
[07:30] <cjae> how come a blank mousepad opens every time I log in to xfce??
[07:32] <kmindi|ibm-t20> yes it is the right one
[07:33] <TheSheep> cjae: you must have logged out with the 'save session' option checked and mousepad opened
[07:34] <cjae> I don't think so cause nothing else opens hang on I will check im sure its not
[07:35] <TheSheep> cjae: then check the settings->autostarted applications
[07:35] <cjae> automatically save session on logout is unchecked
[07:36] <cjae> show hibernate and suspend are checked but I don't see them either
[07:38] <cjae> all that's in there is restricted driver and print queue applet
[07:38] <cjae> TheSheep,
[07:39] <TheSheep> cjae: then I have no ide, you may try to clear you session by removing ~/.cache/sessions/
[07:40] <cjae> done that too!! think it is like winblows and I have to check and uncheck the dave sessions thing?
[07:40] <cjae> the save sessions
[07:43] <ivo> hello, I'm new here and need some help for the network-manager-gnome installation...
[07:44] <h3sp4wn> ivo: maybe you would find more people using that in #ubuntu
[07:45] <ivo> okay, thank you very much... cu
[07:45] <h3sp4wn> ivo: If you want to just use wpa_supplicant I can probably help you
[07:49] <odat> what directory do i use to load modules on startup
[07:49] <h3sp4wn> which modules ?
[07:49] <h3sp4wn> the simplest is just to add to /etc/modules
[07:49] <odat> that directory doesn't exist
[07:50] <cjae> TheSheep, I did have to check it and make sure everything was closed and completely reboot as a x server reboot was not enough to make it  take hold
[07:50] <ivo> h3sp4wn: I have installed wpa_supplicant but I thought it was just necessary for network-manager?
[07:50] <h3sp4wn> ivo: You can use it by itself
[07:50] <h3sp4wn> odat: its a file
[07:51] <odat> oh crap
[07:51] <odat> sorry
[07:51] <cjae> TheSheep, and then uncheck it and tried loggin in several times does not come back
[07:51] <cjae> TheSheep, thanks anyway
[07:52] <TheSheep> cjae: well, you must have some script running at startup that starts it
[07:52] <ivo> h3sp4wn: does it have a graphical interface?
[07:53] <h3sp4wn> It has wpagui I have never used that though
[07:53] <h3sp4wn> !info wpagui
[07:53] <ubotu> wpagui: GUI for wpa_supplicant. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.5.7-0ubuntu2 (feisty), package size 98 kB, installed size 224 kB
[07:55] <cjae> can anyone tell me why if I use something that is hard enough on system resources that it has to use my swap (rarely,,love xfce) why this stuff doesn't leave the swap when the load diminishes
[07:57] <TheSheep> cjae: swap is not about load, but about memory
[07:57] <cjae> TheSheep, the first time I tried loging out (xserver) it opened again except it was thunar and the optical storage disc, so I was thinking it might have been just a thunar window open with no contents
[07:57] <cjae> ??
[07:57] <TheSheep> cjae: linux doesn't clear the swap once it's used, because there is a good chance it will be used again in a moment, and it doesn't really cost to keep these pages in swap
[07:58] <cjae> but after two days of no using them or at  least the app??
[07:58] <TheSheep> cjae: you can go to thunar's preferences and go to the last tab to edit the volume manager properties (auto-opening of cd drives, etc.)
[07:59] <cjae> TheSheep, it has n't happened again but I will familiarize myself with that anyway thanks
[08:01] <cjae> TheSheep, my big problem is that I have no taskbar or panel on my tv out so when something get minimized over there I cannot see it and is hard to kill cause you forget what is open
[08:04] <cjae> like if I minimize thunar in tv out I cannot unmount the drive on the monitor screen cause it is being used on the tv out
[08:04] <TheSheep> cjae: middle-click on the desktop
[08:05] <cjae> you mean left and right at once
[08:05] <TheSheep> cjae: yes, if you don't have a 3-button mouse
[08:05] <cjae> or scroll wheel
[08:05] <cjae> on the tv out??
[08:06] <TheSheep> anywhere on the desktop
[08:06] <cjae> give me option for workspaces
[08:06] <TheSheep> cjae: the workspaces hsould be there too
[08:07] <TheSheep> cjae: on the window list
[08:07] <TheSheep> cjae: you can also bind that list to some key -- the command is 'xfdesktop --window-list'
[08:08] <cjae> I see I have to open a file manager first
[08:08] <cjae> that is very cool didn't think about that
[08:09] <cjae> it is very helpful cause my girlfriend does that a lot I don't know why I don't have the panel or taskbar though
[08:09] <TheSheep> cjae: I have one of my 'windows' keys bound to that, and the other to the applications menu
[08:09] <TheSheep> cjae: you can get the panel by pressing alt+f2 and typing 'xfce4-panel'
[08:09] <cjae> tried that
[08:10] <TheSheep> cjae: and then put taskbar and anything other you need on it
[08:10] <Jester45> TheSheep: that would only give it to display 0 not the tv-out
[08:10] <cjae> been on many places trying to figure this on out
[08:10] <TheSheep> Jester45: ah, right
[08:10] <Jester45> i just jumped into a lot of org stuff
[08:10] <Jester45> xorg*
[08:11] <cjae> TheSheep, my xorg seems to be crazy
[08:11] <cjae> or else xfce is
[08:11] <Jester45> i got 3 xservers running on 3 displays, 6 desktops with beryl is confusing
[08:12] <cjae> Jester45, if you have 3 xservers you do not use twinview or anything right?
[08:13] <Jester45> display 0 has 3xervers display 2 has 3xservers and display 3 has 3 xservers
[08:14] <Jester45> im not suing twinview or at least i dont think i am
[08:14] <cjae> Jester45, do you think you could help me get a panel or taskbar on my tv out
[08:15] <Jester45> probly not
[08:15] <cjae> TheSheep, thank you and that question goes to anybody actually
[08:15] <Jester45> i can try
[08:15] <cjae> ill pastebin xorg
[08:16] <WantXubuntu> If I just tried to run Xubuntu from a live CD and the top and bottom bars didn't show up, is it unlikely they will with a full install as well?
[08:16] <WantXubuntu> *will not
[08:16] <Jester45> WantXubuntu: he has them on is moniter but not tv-out
[08:17] <cjae> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/19912/
[08:17] <zials> my bars didn't show up sometimes either... but they were fine when I installed it
[08:17] <WantXubuntu> Jester45, not sure what you mean
[08:17] <cjae> Jester45, TheSheep
[08:17] <TheSheep> Jester45: he just joined :)
[08:17] <TheSheep> WantXubuntu: are you still running it?
[08:17] <Jester45> o i see
[08:17] <WantXubuntu> TheSheep, no,got toonervous
[08:17] <WantXubuntu> *too nervous
[08:17] <Jester45> cjae: try this
[08:18] <TheSheep> WantXubuntu: you might want to use the 'verify cd' option at boot, to make sure it burned ok
[08:18] <WantXubuntu> TheSheep, I'm running it now off another computer
[08:18] <WantXubuntu> I'm speaking to you from it
[08:19] <WantXubuntu> Seems perfect here
[08:19] <zials> mhmm, when I had the bar problem, I verified the CD and it didn't detect anything...
[08:19] <Jester45> cjae: "xfce4-panel --customize" -> new panel -> position freemoveable  -> move panel to tv
[08:20] <cjae> in terminal?
[08:20] <WantXubuntu> So zials you just went for it and it worked?
[08:20] <Jester45> yea
[08:20] <zials> yup
[08:20] <cjae> k
[08:20] <WantXubuntu> even though the live showed no bars?
[08:20] <zials> sometimes, the bar shows... sometimes they didn't... (with CD)
[08:20] <WantXubuntu> Alright... I guess I go for it, thanks
[08:20] <WantXubuntu> I'll be back in here as "Nrbelex" in a few mins
[08:20] <zials> whats your monitors size?
[08:21] <Jester45> after 6.06 i dont even use the lice cd anymore
[08:21] <WantXubuntu> brb
[08:21] <cjae> Jester45, it just gave me >
[08:21] <Jester45> have you guys seen the proposed firefox icon?
[08:23] <Jester45> http://www.skinbase.org/files/archive/shots/162/firefox_experiment_3_big.jpg
[08:23] <cjae> Jester45, nevermind I was being retarded again I mean learning challenged
[08:24] <Jester45> im working on making a xfce version, realy it just the xfce logo inplace of the globe but i like it
[08:27] <cjae> Jester45, ok by using it I lost my taskbar or the bottom bar from my monitor
[08:28] <Jester45> did you create a new panel? or just move a old one
[08:29] <cjae> just moved old one did not let me create new one
[08:29] <Jester45> why not, did you click the + button?
[08:30] <cjae> did you want me to type all of this into the command prompt
[08:30] <cjae> ??
[08:30] <Jester45> no
[08:30] <Jester45> just the xfce4-panel --customize
[08:30] <Jester45> the other were instructions
[08:30] <cjae> that's what I did
[08:30] <cjae> there is no new option
[08:31] <Jester45> its at the top next to Panel 1 or Panel 2 its a + sign
[08:31] <cjae> wow am I stupid
[08:31] <cjae> like really really stuid
[08:31] <Jester45> found it?
[08:31] <cjae> yeaaa
[08:32] <cjae> hang on
[08:33] <cjae> damn it your a god send
[08:33] <cjae> sorry for profanity
[08:33] <Jester45> its fine
[08:33] <Jester45> just dont over do it
[08:34] <cjae> ok
[08:34] <Jester45> so... its works
[08:35] <cjae> I think I just have to customize them now but they both look the same do you have to input workspaces and everything??
[08:35] <Jester45> that must mean im not learning challenged
[08:36] <Jester45> right click and add new items
[08:36] <Jester45> if you wan somthing from the old one right click on the old one at the item you want and at the top of tha menu is the name
[08:37] <cjae> yeah thank you man I was @ #xorg, #xfce debain and #nvidia
[08:37] <thefirstdude> how take screeny?
[08:37] <zials> print screen key? O.o
[08:37] <TheSheep> !screenshot
[08:37] <ubotu> Screenshots can be made with the [PrtScr]  button or the File -> Acquire menu in the GIMP.
[08:37] <thefirstdude> yeh, how print screen
[08:37] <TheSheep> thefirstdude: only the print screen key is not enabled in xubuntu
[08:38] <TheSheep> thefirstdude: there is a panel applet for this, gimp has a command for that, and you can install a commandline tool like scrot for that
[08:38] <cjae> I have one more question for you later if you will it's about xorg I would like to customize before g/f gets home so she can use
[08:38] <cjae> Jester45, thanks
[08:39] <Jester45> cjae: your welcome, and what you want customized
[08:39] <h3sp4wn> thefirstdude: imagemagick directly is as easy as anything to do
[08:39] <h3sp4wn> sleep 10 && import -window root -display :0 screenshot.png
[08:40] <cjae> Jester45, just so unfamilar with xfce I thought the panel 1 and panel 2 things were for different screens would have helped if I moved panel 2 hey
[08:40] <cjae> Jester45, brb door
[08:40] <Jester45> panel one is the top or bottom and #2 is the other
[08:42] <Jester45> !gtk1
[08:42] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about gtk1 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:43] <Jester45> is gtk1 temeable
[08:43] <Jester45> my gtk2 has a dark theme and gtk1's white is very bright
[08:43] <h3sp4wn> thefirstdude: actually use scrot (imlib2 is a great library)
[08:44] <h3sp4wn> annoying the its built without --enable-amd64 by default though
[08:45] <Jester45> what are they gonna name it when intel gets 64bit? just 64bit
[08:46] <h3sp4wn> same thing
[08:47] <TheSheep> Jester45: intel got its 64bit, but it sucked so much they used amd's in the end
[08:47] <Jester45> but it wouldnt be amd64
[08:47] <h3sp4wn> TheSheep: Did you ever use linux on itanium ?
[08:47] <Jester45> i figured they had it but its not popular
[08:48] <TheSheep> h3sp4wn: yeah, we had itanium for tests for a month
[08:48] <Daemonik> xfdesktop behaves very oddly. When dragging an icon from xfdesktop to a thunar window it copies the file or folder instead of moving it. The shift key has to be held for normal drag and drop, is there a workaround for that?
[08:48] <TheSheep> h3sp4wn: it was only fast with the provided compiler and provided tests
[08:48] <Jester45> Daemonik: thats how it acts be defualt
[08:48] <TheSheep> Daemonik: yes, hold down shift
[08:49] <Jester45> by*
[08:49] <h3sp4wn> TheSheep: Thats not necessarily a problem with the arch then
[08:49] <Daemonik> Without shift
[08:51] <Daemonik> TheSheep, I can hondle that, it's the users I'm setting this up for that can't, I need to find a way to work around it.
[08:51] <TheSheep> Daemonik: disable the desktop icons
[08:52] <Cannon_Ball> is there anyone who can tell me how to position the icons on the desktop where I want?
[08:52] <TheSheep> Cannon_Ball: drag them with your mouse
[08:52] <Cannon_Ball> whenever I reboot they go back where they were before
[08:52] <Jester45> Cannon_Ball: drag them where you want and save session
[08:52] <Daemonik> :-\
[08:52] <TheSheep> Jester45: saving the session shoudn't be required...
[08:53] <Cannon_Ball> the session is always saved when I reboot
[08:54] <Cannon_Ball> still the icons go back to the left side
[08:54] <Cannon_Ball> :-$
[08:57] <Cannon_Ball> no ideas?
[08:57] <Jester45> nope
[09:11] <cjae> hey Jester45 what is this section of my xorg for??  http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/20530/
[09:12] <TheSheep> cjae: it's there in case you had a wacom tablet
[09:12] <TheSheep> cjae: you know, the pen-like input device
[09:12] <cjae> TheSheep, I don't have one
[09:13] <TheSheep> cjae: if you don't have a wacom tablet, you can safely remove it
[09:13] <cjae> That whole section??
[09:13] <TheSheep> cjae: these 3 sections
[09:13] <TheSheep> cjae: the definitions for wacom input devices
[09:14] <TheSheep> cjae: be careful, however, to not remove your mouse and keyboard devices :)
[09:14] <cjae> Right show I leave 27-29
[09:15] <cjae> right should I leave 27-29
[09:17] <cjae> TheSheep, Also I have had this xorg for like two years should I have the fonts list changed??
[09:17] <TheSheep> cjae: no, the whole part you pasted can be removed
[09:18] <TheSheep> cjae: I don't think the font paths changed
[09:18] <cjae> TheSheep, I  don't even know if this xorg is from this distro
[09:19] <cjae> must be cause of the sudo dpkg thing!
[09:19] <TheSheep> cjae: you can genereate yourself a new one with 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg'
[09:20] <cjae> but won't this just kill what I did on my tv out??
[09:20] <TheSheep> cjae: yes
[09:20] <TheSheep> cjae: you will have to edit it again
[09:20] <cjae> can anyone verify the fonts paths
[09:23] <cjae> TheSheep, do you know if they have perfected at least got some kind of perfomance from logitech mice?
[09:23] <Jester45> im useing 1
[09:23] <cjae> I a mx 700 and have tried to config the buttons for some time now
[09:24] <Jester45> and its perfect
[09:24] <TheSheep> cjae: you need to use the evdev driver for that, not the mouse driver
[09:24] <cjae> and can never ever ever get it to work
[09:24] <TheSheep> cjae: there are some howtos on the neyt
[09:24] <TheSheep> net
[09:25] <cjae> it is just all of the buttons do not work
[09:25] <cjae> I have tried editing Option		"ZAxisMapping"		"4 5"
[09:25] <cjae> and adding a xmodprobe file
[09:26] <cjae> would I still need the evdev Jester45 ?? TheSheep ??
[09:27] <TheSheep> cjae: I think that advanced mice are better handled with the evdev driver
[09:27] <cjae> this is not an advanced mouse well not technically speaking
[09:28] <cjae> it kills batteries like they were free
[09:28] <cjae> it always disconnects but that maybe cause of my phone
[09:28] <cjae> is it 2.4 ghz??
[09:28] <TheSheep> cjae: http://linux.netpimpz.com/mx700/
[09:29] <cjae> TheSheep, thanks I ll check
[09:29] <cjae> I sucks in winblows as well
[09:30] <cjae> it
[09:31] <cjae> my mother has like one of the first wireless logitech (well ones I saw anyway) and she replaces batteries like once a years not once every two days
[09:32] <Jester45> how often does she use it
[09:32] <cjae> on an non glossy transparent surface
[09:32] <cjae> quite
[09:32] <Jester45> thats one reason i changed to wired
[09:32] <cjae> my cat always smashes it
[09:33] <Jester45> im a gamer and i cant stand when the batteries are  low and it loses connection
[09:33] <cjae> even if it get randomly hits with it off the desk
[09:34] <cjae> it is like this one is possessed sometimes it will gradually die and sometimes the light will not flash
[09:34] <cjae> so you think I just lost connection and try and connect it
[09:35] <cjae> and then like three minutes later it will flash dead
[09:35] <cjae> lol
[09:35] <cjae> nuckin futz
[09:35] <Jester45> lol
[09:36] <cjae> then it acts like the cordless phone and will not accept new charged batteries
[09:36] <cjae> still will flash and play dead
[09:36] <Jester45> have you ever tried xeyes
[09:37] <cjae> yes
[09:37] <Jester45> its pretty cool
[09:37] <cjae> yeh
[09:37] <cjae> sometimes I look like that
[09:37] <Jester45> i dont like gnomes panel version because its to small
[09:38] <cjae> brb door again probably the cops
[09:38] <q-t> Hey, I installed xubuntu on my laptop, but when I started openoffice, the graphics got all screwy, at the top. I was told that I could tune the graphics resolutions down, but I didnt find the place to do it, where can I do it?
[09:39] <cjae> again
[09:39] <Jester45> applications -> settings -> display settings
[09:39] <Jester45> q-t: what laptop is it
[09:40] <q-t> HP Compaq nc6000
[09:40] <Jester45> cjae: is that the same as yours?
[09:40] <q-t> With an ATI MOBILITY RADEON 9600 graph card
[09:41] <q-t> the graph card has given me alot of grief, ALOT :P
[09:41] <Jester45> q-t: what driver do you have
[09:42] <q-t> ehm, the default one I think, everytime I have installed the driver that is supposed to be installed for that card, it fucks up for some odd reason. In windows it crashed
[09:42] <cjae> Jester45, ??? I ll have to go it is the cops again got jumped and kicked about and they are investigating
[09:42] <q-t> havent tried to screw with that yet in xubuntu because all goes smooth except openoffice
[09:42] <TheSheep> !langugae | q-t
[09:42] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about langugae - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:42] <TheSheep> !language | q-t
[09:42] <ubotu> q-t: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[09:42] <TheSheep> :)
[09:42] <q-t> sorry:P
[09:43] <TheSheep> q-t: thank you
[09:43] <q-t> TheSheep: np ;)
[09:43] <Jester45> q-t: try using the radeon driver and if that does work use fglrx
[09:43] <Jester45> !fglrx
[09:44] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[09:44] <Jester45> doesnt*
[09:44] <q-t> fglrx what it that?
[09:45] <Frem> a binary driver for ati video cards. it lets you do fun things like 3d acceleration.
[09:45] <q-t> ok
[09:45] <q-t> I`ll try that, thnx:)
[09:47] <cjae> Jester45, what did mean by is that the same  as yours
[09:49] <cjae> Jester45, ??
[09:59] <Jester45> cjae: sorry but want did you want?
[10:00] <cjae> Jester45, what did mean by is that the same  as yours
[10:00] <Jester45> o
[10:00] <cjae> the laptop??
[10:00] <Jester45> cjae: yea
[10:00] <Jester45> becuase he has OO.o problems also
[10:00] <cjae> desktop
[10:01] <Jester45> k
[10:04] <k8dd> where can i find a network mapping/discovery and a sniffer program?
[10:06] <Pumpernickel> nmap, ethereal
[10:08] <k8dd> Pump: thanx .... i'll give them a try.
[10:11] <Jester45> anyone here good at blender?
[10:11] <TheSheep> Jester45: ask on #tango
[10:12] <TheSheep> or on #blender, of course ;)
[10:12] <Jester45> just wondering
[10:12] <Jester45> i used a programe like it at school but it was on windows
[10:12] <TheSheep> Jester45: I know there are some blender pros
[10:13] <Jester45> and i would like to do 3d modleing but i cant realy get used to blender, it might jsut be to advance
[10:13] <TheSheep> Jester45: it's famous for its horrible interface :)
[10:13] <TheSheep> Jester45: yet the pros love it
[10:14] <Jester45> yea, i would like just to be able to color the objects and bend them and animate them
[10:14] <Jester45> with simple frame 1 frame 2 frame 3
[10:15] <Jester45> i cant even figure out how to make a new object other than lights
[10:15] <TheSheep> Jester45: there are some tutorials
[10:15] <TheSheep> Jester45: and manuals and books :)
[10:16] <Jester45> yea, i got one
[10:16] <TheSheep> Jester45: some of them are even free ;)
[10:17] <Jester45> yea wikibooks has a long one
[10:17] <TheSheep> knowledge costs work
[10:19] <Jester45> do you know of a simpler 3d modeler
[10:19] <TheSheep> Jester45: you may try povray
[10:20] <Jester45> in repos?
[10:20] <TheSheep> Jester45: or radiance
[10:20] <TheSheep> Jester45: povray should be there
[10:20] <TheSheep> Jester45: it doesn't use gui, but instead a special language that you 'compile' into scenes
[10:21] <Jester45> i dont think i will like that
[10:21] <TheSheep> Jester45: depends on what you do :)
[10:21] <Jester45> umm
[10:21] <Jester45> try to make interesting things
[10:27] <Jester45> im installing vertex and  k3d
[10:27] <suckless> anyone here to go out and flame #suse? :)
[10:29] <TheSheep> suckless: why?
[10:29] <suckless> TheSheep: why not?
[10:29] <TheSheep> suckless: because you annoy people and make yourself enemies?
[10:29] <suckless> you're right!
[10:30] <suckless> halleluja
[10:30] <suckless> ajaahahem, amen
[10:30] <suckless> i'm out...
[10:38] <h3sp4wn> If you do that I hope you get klined
[10:40] <h3sp4wn> but I suppose Mark Shuttleworth did post that message to the opensuse list which could be considered a flame
[10:41] <kalikiana_> h3sp4wn, I accidentally saw what suckless said. Did Mark S. actually post something offending suse?
[10:41] <h3sp4wn> http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse/2006-11/msg03765.html
[10:49] <kalikiana_> h3sp4wn, Ah, thank you. Maybe that post of Mark was a bit perky. *g
[10:57] <andrey_> hello, is it possible to make from kubuntu xubuntu ?
[10:57] <zials> yup
[10:58] <zials> err.. *thinks* try 'sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop'
[10:58] <andrey_> will it be the same as dowloading xubuntu iso ?
[10:59] <zials> depends
[10:59] <zials> it won't be the whole ISO file
[11:00] <zials> you'll be able to access most (if not all) files you had on kubuntu
[11:01] <kalikiana_> andrey_, With the above mentioned package, you'll get a full xubuntu.
[11:01] <kalikiana_> andrey_, However there *may* be issues, as for 1) kubuntu won't be removed automatically and 2) sometimes kde and xfce can conflict.
[11:01] <h3sp4wn> andrey_: You might still have networkmanager
[11:02] <h3sp4wn> which xubuntu is lucky to not have
[11:02] <kalikiana_> h3sp4wn, Isn't System->Network the network manager?
[11:02] <andrey_> I have knetworkapp installed
[11:03] <h3sp4wn> kalikiana_: I don't have that horrible daemon on my machine
[11:03] <h3sp4wn> (and never did) but kubuntu and ubuntu do unfortunately force it on people
[11:03] <kalikiana_> h3sp4wn, I have that item in my menu from the Feisty default install. Is it the same or is it a different app?
[11:04] <h3sp4wn> I don't think its the same thing
[11:04] <kalikiana_> How is the package called?
[11:05] <h3sp4wn> !info network-manager
[11:05] <andrey_> knetworkmanager
[11:05] <ubotu> network-manager: network management framework daemon. In component main, is optional. Version 0.6.4-6ubuntu7 (feisty), package size 234 kB, installed size 584 kB
[11:07] <andrey_> but basically  all ubuntu are the same, only with different window managers
[11:09] <h3sp4wn> yes - but xubuntu doesn't use network manager
[11:09] <kalikiana_> Ah, the one I have is 'network-admin'.
[11:11] <andrey_> so I can do aptitude remove kubuntu-desktop and then aptitude install xubuntu-desktop
[11:11] <h3sp4wn> andrey_: Did you originally install kubuntu-desktop with aptitude ?
[11:11] <andrey_> I just installed kubuntu from cd
[11:12] <h3sp4wn> probably won't work then
[11:12] <kalikiana_> andrey_, You'll have to remove kubuntu's packages manually
[11:12] <h3sp4wn> sudo aptitude purge kdelibs-data kdelibs4c2a kde~i
[11:12] <kalikiana_> andrey_, But there is some website explaining what you'll need to remove.
[11:12] <h3sp4wn> that should get rid of most of it
[11:13] <h3sp4wn> or you could ask someone with a clean xubuntu to help you
[11:13] <h3sp4wn> and use apt-get dselect-upgrade
[11:13] <h3sp4wn> (get the packagelist from them)
[11:13] <zials> mhmm... well, there's -> http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purexfce
[11:14] <h3sp4wn> but thats not pure xfce at all is it
[11:14] <h3sp4wn> its xfce made to look like a poor imitation of gnome
[11:14] <zials> x.x
[11:15] <h3sp4wn> and there is no way you would need all those
[11:15] <andrey_> hope I'm not going to break my system
[11:21] <andrey_> where can I find my network settings when network manager is gone ?
[11:22] <aro> !wine
[11:22] <ubotu> wine is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information.
[11:23] <h3sp4wn> andrey_: /etc/network/interfaces
[11:23] <h3sp4wn> or use network-admin
[11:27] <nekomancer> is there a site from which one may obtain drivers for elderly ati cards?
[11:28] <Pumpernickel> Those are typically supported by pre-included drivers.  Are you having any particular problems with them?
[11:29] <nekomancer> i have what ubuntu believes is a "Rage 128 PF/PRO AGP 4x TMDS" (i'm not sure, i saved the computer from being junked), and from what it did when it had windows on the pc i think preformance is lacking.
[11:30] <nekomancer> it is old, i know, but i think it can be made to work better than it is
[11:30] <nekomancer> i do know that it is some type of ati card
[11:30] <nekomancer> should have looked in the bios, thinking about it.
[11:31] <Jester45> the inculded drivers most likly are the best the driver from ATI tends to be only good for newer cards
[11:32] <Jester45> type lspci in a terminal to find out what card it is
[11:34] <nekomancer> still the same thing
[11:34] <nekomancer> i pulled the card type from lshw and xorg.conf
[11:35] <nekomancer> "Rage 128 PF/PRO AGP 4x TMDS"
[11:37] <aro> !ntfs
[11:37] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[11:37] <nekomancer> aro, may i ask why you keep asking the bot questions?
[11:38] <aro> Why else does one ask the bot questions?
[11:38] <aro> To obtain answers
[11:38] <nekomancer> it just seems strange that you simply ask the bot.
[11:38] <TheSheep> aro: you can /msg it
[11:39] <nekomancer> (as opposed to the people in the room)
[11:39] <nekomancer> are you trying to get your windows programs to run under ubuntu from a dual boot hdd?
[11:39] <aro> I check the bot first and read the links that it provides, and if I still have trouble, I'll google a bit, and then if I still have trouble, I'll ask in the channel
[11:41] <nekomancer> ah
[12:03] <jasonwolf> hi folks -- im trying to run a scrpt in Xchat that is looking for Gtk2.pm -- i tried to search for it but it doesnt appear to be in my system - -where should it be, or what do i need to install to get it?
[12:03] <h3sp4wn> aptitude search gtk~nperl
[12:04] <h3sp4wn> I would guess libgtk2-perl
[12:04] <h3sp4wn> jasonwolf: ^^
[12:04] <jasonwolf> cool
[12:04] <jasonwolf> thank you
[12:04] <q-t> !linux-restricted-modules-generic
[12:04] <jasonwolf> what is aptitiude?
[12:04] <q-t> hehe
[12:04] <Jester45> packagemanager
[12:04] <Jester45> package manager*
[12:05] <jasonwolf> oh - -ok
[12:05] <q-t> jester45: me?
[12:05] <Jester45> like synaptic but cli
[12:05] <Jester45> q-t: no to jasonwolf
[12:05] <jasonwolf> better or worse than apt?
[12:06] <Jester45> depends
[12:06] <jasonwolf> ok
[12:06] <Jester45> try running just aptitude
[12:06] <h3sp4wn> has advantages and disadvantages
[12:06] <q-t> I tried to fix the graph card thing on my xubuntu on my laptop, and went into system->administration->restricted drivers manager and enabled the card....but its gone wacko on me now:P
[12:06] <h3sp4wn> (but for me its advantages outweigh its disadvantages)
[12:06] <jasonwolf> ok - thanks
[12:07] <Jester45> i like apt's simple ness
[12:07] <q-t> that linux-restricted-modules-generic is the advice given on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI
[12:07] <q-t> i love apt:D
[12:07] <h3sp4wn> jasonwolf: http://people.debian.org/~dburrows/aptitude-doc/en/ch02s03.html (that is what sold it for me)
[12:07] <Jester45> and its what my linux abilities grew up on along with nano
[12:07] <h3sp4wn> apt-cache's reg exp stuff is a pain to use
[12:07] <jasonwolf> cool - - i use gentoo at work  -and portage is superb but i dont want that much fiddling with it for casual
[12:08] <jasonwolf> btw - that was the right package
[12:08] <jasonwolf> thanks
[12:10] <Jester45> some people dont stick around long
[12:18] <spasticteapot> Hello!
[12:18] <spasticteapot> Anyone here used the M-audio Audiophile USB soundcard under xubuntu?
[12:18] <spasticteapot> I think I need to download a module or something to make it work.
[12:18] <Scrape> How do I slow down the cursor speed of an evdev mouse? It doesn't seem to be affected by the control panel settings.
[12:18] <h3sp4wn> does it not just use the snd-usb-audio module
[12:19] <spasticteapot> h3sp4wn: Nope. Won't even show up under lsusb.
[12:19] <Jester45> anyone know why sudo rm -d will not remove a directory and gives the error rm: cannot remove `/home/ryan/Desktop/qemu': Is a directory
[12:21] <Scrape> Jester45: try rm -r
[12:21] <Merchelo> rm -rf /
[12:21] <Merchelo> wrong window sorry
[12:22] <Scrape> Jester45: don't type rm -rf /
[12:22] <Scrape> that would be bad
[12:22] <Jester45> i know
[12:22] <Merchelo> but rm -rf the directory will work
[12:22] <Scrape> Jester45: I tried rm -d on a directory here, didn't work either. Don't know why, but rm -r will work
[12:23] <Jester45> ok
[12:23] <Jester45> thunar cant delete it when in trash