[05:59] <hikenboot> greetings all just installed ubuntu 7.04 getting cant access tty job control turned off on first boot after install...any ideas..I see hundres of posts for this issue with no solutions
[06:00] <crdlb> hikenboot: this channel is for gutsy now
[06:00] <crdlb> you want #ubuntu
[11:12] <Edulix> hi!
[11:12] <Edulix> I want to install madwifi drivers (ath_pci etc) from source
[11:12] <Edulix> what packages should I need?
[11:13] <Edulix> linux-source-2.6.22 should suffice or do I need linux-headers too? where can I get thoe from?
[11:14] <Edulix> well I'll test it..
[11:22] <crimsun> you should use the matching linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[11:22] <crimsun> otherwise, if you want the snazoo from the actual source, then apt-get source linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[11:24] <Edulix> crimsun: can you tell me where is the linux-headers-2.6.22* package? I'm installing the gutsy kernel in feisty
[11:24] <Edulix> (I want tickless kernel ;-)
[11:26] <crimsun> I advise you to hold off from trying that.
[11:26] <Edulix> crimsun: well.. I've tested and it works fine
[11:26] <crimsun> but you can use launchpad.net to find it.
[11:26] <Edulix> the only thing left is to compile madwifi for it so my atheros wifi card works too
[11:26] <crimsun> Edulix: no, you really mean "Works for Me".
[11:27] <Edulix> crimsun: yes, that's what I meant
[11:27] <Edulix> crimsun: actually it works better than feisty release kernel for me
[11:27] <crimsun> it doesn't boot three of my machines.
[11:28] <Edulix> I'm using a pre-release kernel (2.6.20-12  instead of 2.6.20-15) because in following versions sound didn't work
[11:28] <Edulix> crimsun: hehe that's life =)
[11:28] <crimsun> what sound card?
[11:28] <Edulix> snd_hda_intel
[11:29] <Edulix> integrated in my samsung r40 laptop
[11:29] <Edulix> actually it seems that it was fixed after fesity was released
[11:31] <Edulix> but because of ubuntu politics, this will not be fixed for feisty kernel. there'll be only security updates because "fixing a bug can lead to another one". but I still think that bugs should also be fixed in stable version..
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[11:31] <crimsun> can you be more specific?
[11:31] <Edulix> crimsun: about the sound card?
[11:31] <crimsun> I've triaged about six thousand different ALSA bugs
[11:31] <Edulix> hehe
[11:32] <crimsun> no, about your bug
[11:32] <Edulix> ah
[11:32] <crimsun> is it the AD1986A one?  the SB450 one?  the Realtek 88x jack sense one?  the "inaudible audio from resume" one?
[11:33] <Edulix> well, as far as i can remember: sound modules load fine, but then alsa mixer shows only one bar or two (front and mic perhaps?) and there's none form PCM
[11:33] <Edulix> apps like amarok freeze at start
[11:33] <crimsun> that's not a bug, that's a symptom.  Big difference.
[11:33] <crimsun> What's the actual bug?
[11:35] <Edulix> uhm well the bug? sounds doesn't play, I don't know why. and this was in the change from 2.6.20-12 to 2.6.20-13. if you want me to be more specific I can reboot with 2.6.20-15 (which has the same bug) and tell you better
[11:35] <crimsun> yes, reboot, and please read http://www.linux-sound.info/alsa/index.php?task=support and tell me the URL of the paste generated by the script linked from that page.
[11:35] <Edulix> but I recall that it was related to some changes in a define for alsa
[11:35] <Edulix> (#define)
[11:35] <crimsun> that sounds like the SB450 one
[11:36] <crimsun> the fix that I've committed is a gruesome hack at best, and it's definitely not the right one at all, but it fixes the symptom.  It does not, however, actually fix the bug.
[11:37] <crimsun> there are several critical pieces that are missing to actually fix the bug, and they're all far too invasive to go into a released kernel without introducing further regressions.
[11:37] <crimsun> I know - I wrote that code.
[11:40] <Toma-> hey crimsun, i got that old dell d300 with the cs4232 to work! i had to disable apci, get lspnp, then set the right addresses! thanks for the point in the right direction :)
[11:44] <Edulix> crimsun: sorry, I was at the tlf
[11:45] <Edulix> I'll reboot now
[11:47] <crimsun> Toma-: np
[11:49] <Toma-> crimsun: strange thing tho, the pnp ports have changed over the years from 0x530 to 0x0530. So all the previous docs were totally wrong :O
[11:50] <crimsun> err, that's a consequence of the underlying subsystem being wonky.
[11:50] <crimsun> I knew isapnp should have died.
[11:50] <Toma-> mmm. ill update the wiki/forum help on it
[11:57] <Edulix> hi back!
[11:58] <Edulix> crimsun: http://pastebin.ca/485908 there you are
[11:59] <Edulix> crimsun: ping?
[11:59] <crimsun> http://adhd.irule.net/~crimsun/feisty-azx-sb450/
[11:59] <crimsun> use those.
[12:02] <Edulix> ok
[12:03] <Edulix> anyway I still want tickless kernel and I want to toy with PowerTOP so I'm trying to build madwifi  in 2.6.22 =)
[12:09] <ScarFreewill> is gutsy going to use kde4?
[12:10] <crdlb> it won't be released in time
[12:10] <crdlb> even if it's completely on schedule
[12:10] <Edulix> oh I thought it would use it
[12:10] <crdlb> they're going to release an update or something when it does come out though iirc
[12:11] <ScarFreewill> kde4 is for nov 2007 right?
[12:12] <crdlb> October 23, 2007: Targeted Release Date
[12:12] <crdlb> from wikipedia
[12:12] <ScarFreewill> ok thx
[12:12] <crdlb> and gutsy is planned for october 18
[12:14] <ScarFreewill> i don't mind to just download a few new debs for kde4 when it gets out, though it would have been nice to have it natively ;)
[01:15] <Edulix> hi
[01:16] <Edulix> why is it that I have no /lib/modules/2.6.22-1-generic/build directory?
[01:19] <Edulix> ok found it
[01:32] <Edulix> wow
[01:32] <Edulix> it worked! I have 2.6.22 with madwifi (and sound ;-)
[01:32] <Edulix> where? in feisty hehe
[01:33] <fuoco> Edulix: how did you achieve that? i'm just in the process of trying the same
[01:34] <Edulix> fuoco: download linux-headers-2.6.22-1_2.6.22-1.5_all.deb, linux-headers-2.6.22-1-generic_2.6.22-1.5_i386.deb, linux-image-2.6.22-1-generic_2.6.22-1.5_i386.deb and install them
[01:34] <Edulix> (from gutsy)
[01:34] <Edulix> then download madwifi from svn
[01:35] <Edulix> and then reboot to use the new kernel, and compile ("make && make install") madwifi
[01:35] <Edulix> and there you go ;)
[01:35] <fuoco> ok, cool thx
[01:36] <Edulix> your are welcome =)
[01:36] <Edulix> now time to test powertop (do you know about it?)
[01:36] <fuoco> what's that?
[01:36] <Edulix> well the web page is down now :( but:
[01:37] <Edulix> read this http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/2801
[01:37] <Edulix> fuoco: it's basically an utility to exploit the tickless kernel feature we've got in 2.6.21+ so that bateries last longer
[01:38] <Edulix> (laptops)
[01:38] <fuoco> yeah ok
[01:39] <Edulix> btw take into accound that 64bits kernels are not tickless yet
[01:39] <fuoco> i'm on ppc actually
[01:39] <Edulix> oh =)
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[02:50] <zaggynl> wait, what?
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[02:51] <someothernick> lol
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[02:52] <zaggynl> IRC's pretty dead today
[02:58] <Edulix> hi!
[03:02] <Edulix>  how can I see a list of flavours for AUTOBUILD=1 NOEXTRAS=1 fakeroot debian/rules binary-debs flavours=<?>  ?
[09:25] <fuoco> anyone runs a 2.6.21 or 2.6.22 kernel ?
[09:32] <stouset> Anyone upgrade to Gutsy and experience large fonts in GNOME?
[09:33] <stouset> Preferences->Fonts shows everything at 10pt.
[09:34] <stouset> Although I'm reasonably certain that 10pt fonts aren't the size of my finger.
[09:38] <stouset> For the record, a font size of about 7 as configured through font preferences corresponds to exactly what 10 was pre-gutsy.
[09:39] <kalpik> stouset, check your DPI
[09:39] <stouset> kalpik: Easiest way?
[09:39] <kalpik> xdpyinfo | grep resolution
[09:40] <stouset> 129x126
[09:40] <kalpik> that's the problem.. you have to set it to 96x96
[09:40] <stouset> Indeed.
[09:41] <stouset> That would do it. Didn't even notice the DPI setting in the font prefs was way off at 127.
[09:41] <stouset> Interesting that it changed itself.
[09:42] <kalpik> hmm
[09:42] <kalpik> i told you its not the right time to switch to gutsy :P
[09:43] <stouset> I know. Which is precisely why I'm doing it.
[09:43] <kalpik> hehe
[09:43] <stouset> Might as well file the bug reports.
[09:43] <kalpik> love breakage, dont you? ;)
[09:44] <stouset> Like helping out. Always ran unstable on Debian and filed reports aplenty.
[09:44] <kalpik> so while we're at it, even i was planning to switch to gutsy :P
[09:44] <kalpik> just not daring enough
[09:44] <stouset> That was the only hitch as far as I can tell, so far.
[09:44] <kalpik> hmm
[09:44] <stouset> For some...1,250 packages installed. So not a barebones system.
[09:46] <stouset> Of course, I did end up tossing Debian and switching to Ubuntu when they broke fglrx in unstable for about two months.
[09:46] <stouset> Couldn't use the free driver, since it doesn't support my card yet.
[09:46] <kalpik> yeah.. ubuntu is known for very stable dist-upgrades
[09:47] <stouset> Thanks for the assist.
[09:48] <kalpik> sure :)
[09:48] <stouset> brb
[09:56] <stouset> kalpik: I've never really understood how GNOME handles DPI vs. Xorg. Best I can tell, is it that my DPI is set in xorg to 129x126, which would be the default DPI for my fonts, but GTK overrides it to 96 with the font properties?
[09:56] <stouset> i.e., if I were to open up a window that used some other font rendering toolkit, it would use the 129x126 DPI?
[09:56] <kalpik> gtk font properties are messed up
[09:56] <kalpik> neevr report the cotrrect DPI
[09:57] <kalpik> *correct
[09:57] <stouset> Ah.
[09:57] <stouset> Anywhere I can read up about it?
[09:57] <kalpik> hmm.. wait
[09:58] <kalpik> this thread mentions about DPI: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=20976
[10:00] <stouset> Thanks.
[10:01] <fuoco> anyone who uses 2.6.22 kernel or otherwise gutsy: can you check if 'top' shows your cpu ever goes idle or just wastes cycles? ('%wa' in top)
[10:02] <stouset> Ah, DisplaySize is a godsend.
[10:02] <kalpik> hehe
[10:51] <KiloHertz> anyone in here ever done xinerma  with a agp card and a pci card?
[10:51] <KiloHertz> anyone in here ever done xinerma  with a agp card and a pci card?
[10:51] <KiloHertz> sorry it pasted twice