[12:49] <ion_> http://www.bangkokpost.com/090507_Database/09May2007_data05.php "The Free Software movement is dead. Linux doesn't exist in 2007. Even Linus has got a job today." Controversial statements from the head of Microsoft's Linux Labs, Bill Hilf. Speaking on the last leg of a tour of Singapore, the Philippines, Malaysia, Indonesia and Thailand, Bill Hilf, more formally known as Microsoft's platform strategy director, was in the region to "be descriptive and ...
[12:49] <ion_> ... intelligent in giving people an understanding of open source and debunk a lot of the mythology around open source."
[08:24] <riczho> Hi!  Hopefully this is a good place to report that ubuntu.com and http://www.canonical.com/ seem to be down now. 
[08:26] <jmg> not the correct place, and the people that need to know already know
[08:27] <riczho> Aha- thanks.  Just wanted to make sure :)
[08:27] <riczho> Good luck!
[09:50] <YokoZar> Does anyone know why when I point pbuilder at a .dsc file (alongside a .orig.tar.gz and a .diff.gz) and tell it to build, the resulting .orig.tar.gz and .diff.gz files have different md5 sums?
[09:54] <Chipzz> YokoZar: wild guess: because they're compressed with a different level of compression? ;)
[09:54] <YokoZar> Chipzz: hmm...possibly...how do I test that though?
[09:55] <YokoZar> I guess the point is pbuilder isn't just copying them, but is rebuilding them
[09:55] <Chipzz> no idea; except maybe trying the different compression levels by hand?
[09:55] <Chipzz> but do you mean they have the same content when decompressing, or not?
[09:56] <YokoZar> They should have the same content when decompressing
[09:57] <YokoZar> I have a more urgent question though
[09:57] <YokoZar> and that is what this error means with apt-get update:
[09:57] <YokoZar> Failed to fetch http://wine.budgetdedicated.com/apt/dists/feisty/Release
[09:57] <YokoZar> Unable to find expected entry  main/source/Sources in Meta-index file
[09:57] <YokoZar> (malformed Release file?) 
[10:19] <shawarma> YokoZar: Try apt-get update again..
[10:19] <YokoZar> shawarma: No it's a problem with my repository
[10:19] <YokoZar> I think is screwed up reprepro
[10:19] <shawarma> YokoZar: You're the wine guy?
[10:19] <YokoZar> Yeah
[10:19] <shawarma> YokoZar: Ah, ok.
[10:20] <YokoZar> The problem stems from having pbuilder give different md5sums for the source package after pbuilder plays with it
[10:20] <YokoZar> so I build an amd64 package and an i386 package, and reprepro throws a fit with the second one because the source package has a different md5sum
[10:20] <shawarma> YokoZar: Try putting "DscIndices: Sources Release . .gz .bz2
[10:21] <YokoZar> shawarma: where?
[10:21] <shawarma> YokoZar: Try putting "DscIndices: Sources Release . .gz .bz2" in your reprepro distributions flie.
[10:21] <shawarma> file
[10:21] <YokoZar> ok one moment
[10:22] <YokoZar> You mean as a new line under the one for feisty right?
[10:22] <shawarma> Yes
[10:23] <YokoZar> ok done.  What will that do?
[10:23] <shawarma> http://wine.budgetdedicated.com/apt/conf/distributions   is that your conf file?
[10:23] <shawarma> Ah, there it is.
[10:23] <YokoZar> yes
[10:23] <shawarma> never mind.
[10:24] <shawarma> Just rerun reprepro
[10:25] <shawarma> "reprepro export feisty" or something.
[10:25] <YokoZar> k one moment
[10:27] <YokoZar> ok done
[10:27] <shawarma> YokoZar: Good. Then apt-get update and see if it's happy.
[10:27] <YokoZar> now I need to resign the release
[10:28] <shawarma> YokoZar: Your reprepro doesn't help you do that?
[10:28] <YokoZar> nope I have to do it by hand
[10:28] <YokoZar> this is the dapper reprepro
[10:28] <YokoZar> looks like apt-get update is happy
[10:28] <YokoZar> Thank you so much shawarma
[10:29] <shawarma> YokoZar: The one in Dapper should be able to do the signing, too.
[10:30] <YokoZar> Hmm, guess I need to configure it to set that up then.  All I've been doing is just navigating to the release file and signing it by hand
[10:30] <shawarma> YokoZar: Add "SignWith: e8bda4e3" where e8bda4e3 of course should be your gpg key id.
[10:31] <YokoZar> shawarma: to the config file?
[10:31] <shawarma> YokoZar: and the either use gpg-agent or remember to add "--ask-passphrase" very early on the reprepro command line. It will show you a *very* cryptic prompt, but just type your passphrase, and it should be happy.
[10:31] <shawarma> YokoZar: Yes.
[10:31] <shawarma> YokoZar: I got to run for half an hour...
[10:31] <YokoZar> I need to add it to every distribution right?
[10:32] <YokoZar> Thanks for your help again
[11:00] <shawarma> YokoZar: Did you figure it out?
[11:00] <YokoZar> shawarma: well everything is signed already so I'm gonna wait 2 weeks to see if the signwith thing made a difference
[11:01] <YokoZar> But apt-get update is happy now
[11:01] <shawarma> YokoZar: Made a difference? You were trying to solve a specific problem?
[11:02] <YokoZar> shawarma: err we already solved that problem ;)  I was just talking about not having to sign the release file by hand anymore
[11:02] <shawarma> YokoZar: Ah, right. You can test it by just running "reprepro --ask-passphrase export feisty" or something.
[11:03] <YokoZar> ahh I guess that will work too
[11:03] <YokoZar> heh, thanks
[11:03] <shawarma> YokoZar: No problem.
[11:03] <YokoZar> So do you keep your own reprepro repo?
[11:04] <shawarma> YokoZar: Used to. 
[11:06] <shawarma> YokoZar: I used to use it to prerelease proposed bug fixes.
[11:07] <YokoZar> shawarma: Ahh, good idea.
[01:14] <rgl> hi
[01:17] <sladen> hello rgl 
[01:17] <rgl> I'm trying to rebuil bind9, but its faling with some errors that I dunno how to fix: http://pastie.caboo.se/61190   can you please help me?
[01:17] <sladen> rgl: I think everyone else is relaxing by the pool or travelling
[01:18] <sladen> rgl: sudo apt-get build-dep bind9
[01:18] <rgl> sladen, I though it already has the deps resolved, because it started to build fine.
[01:19] <rgl> sladen, yeah, the build-dep returned: 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[01:21] <sladen> rgl: are you running under fakeroot
[01:21] <sladen> rgl: with the source installed *without* sudo
[01:22] <sladen> rgl: have a look for the file(s) it is complaining about
[01:22] <rgl> sladen, oh, sorry, I forgot to include the build command I'm using: dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -uc -b
[01:22] <ion_> sladen: I think you mean *with*
[01:22] <ion_> You probably have files owned by root there.
[01:23] <rgl> sladen, yes, I did apt-get source bind9 inside my user account (non-root)
[01:23] <sladen> ion_: no, I mean *without*
[01:23] <ion_> In that case, im trying to figure out why would it complain about permissions.
[01:23] <sladen> ion_: otherwise the files will be owned by root, and building as a user will file, because there aren't the permissions to modify them
[01:24] <ion_> If you sudo apt-get source ..., the files will be owned by root, right? If you just apt-get source ..., they will be owned by your user.
[01:24] <sladen> rgl: try doing 'ls' on the files and directories it is complaining about
[01:25] <sladen> ion_: correct.  and you want the second (owned by the user)
[01:25] <ion_> sladen: Ah, i had misread your line. I thought you meant you have the source installed without sudo.
[01:26] <rgl> sladen, I'm not sure from where should I resolve the relative path ../../../..
[01:26] <rgl> from bind9-9.3.2 ?  (where I've run dpkg-buildpackage)
[01:26] <ion_> rgl: sudo chmod -R youruser:yourgroup .
[01:27] <rgl> ion_, I've already mention the files are inside my $HOME with my used:group ;)
[01:32] <rgl> can you please see: http://id.ruilopes.com/typescript.txt
[01:32] <rgl> I've run: fakeroot debian/rules binary
[01:32] <rgl> and in that file, you can see the full output :|
[01:33] <Kmos> rgl :)
[01:34] <rgl> hey Kmos :D
[01:35] <rgl> Kmos, ever build the bind9 package?
[01:35] <Kmos> nop
[01:35] <rgl> its failing, and I'm not seeing how to make it work :|
[01:35] <Kmos> rgl: it doesn't exist an updated .deb version ?
[01:36] <Kmos> calipo has edgy ?
[01:36] <Kmos> rgl: try #ubuntu-motu
[01:36] <rgl> Kmos, I need to add some configure switches to it.  the default .deb package does not do the trick for me.
[01:36] <rgl> Kmos, I did.  all asleep/parting somewhere
[01:37] <Kmos> rgl: i've done ddclient new version for gutsy
[01:37] <rgl> Kmos, maybe you can figure out the problem from:  http://id.ruilopes.com/typescript.txt
[01:37] <Kmos> rgl: how about to do dpkg-buildpackage -S -rfakeroot
[01:37] <Kmos> inside bind9 directory
[01:38] <rgl> -S?  /me check the man
[01:38] <sladen> rgl: is this on fiesty/gustsy?
[01:38] <rgl> Kmos, I've used dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -uc -b
[01:38] <rgl> sladen, no, its edgy (6.10)
[01:39] <Treenaks> ok.. I have this PCI device, which has 4 4k blocks of memory.. how can I dump the contents of those memory blocks to disk? I can't figure out how to make dd do it for me..
[01:40] <Treenaks> (oh, and the device is driverless currently)
[02:11] <jdub> it's gusty time!
[02:11] <bhale> jdub: oh?
[02:12] <Treenaks> jdub: Had a spicy dinner then?
[02:12] <jdub> bhale: looks like gusty has 2.6.22 (will work with powertop)
[02:12] <Treenaks> jdub: (or should we call this release cycle 'hurricane season'?)
[02:12] <bhale> jdub: you also get the very latest "finger" technology
[02:13] <jdub> ooh, lots to upgrade
[02:13] <Treenaks> heh.. I saw the Intel guys use that at UDS 'We need to release this soonish...'
[02:13] <Treenaks> 1 day later, they did, apparently
[02:13] <Treenaks> bhale: http://www.linuxpowertop.org/
[02:13] <bhale> pochu even merged muine already
[02:13] <bhale> pochu: hugs
[02:15] <pochu> bhale: slomo_ told me to do it :)
[02:15] <bhale> ah
[02:19] <bhale> this iceweasel business in debian is unhinged
[02:19] <bhale> more and more deltas coming into beagle packaging to just s/firefox/iceweasel... for Justice
[02:20] <jdub> bhale: haw haw :-)
[02:22] <bhale> oh
[02:22] <bhale> Xorg blue screen of death
[02:23] <Spads> It's a real pity, because iceweasel is such a better name than firefox anyway
[02:25] <Treenaks> Spads: Lightningyak rules even more (yay firesomething extension :)
[02:40] <ompaul> Treenaks, they were we need to edit the same information at the same time and some lame irish person pointed them at gobby they were happy after that
[02:41] <ompaul> Treenaks, the intel guys
[02:41] <azeem> did somebody look at the Liberation fonts license terms?  Are they fine for Ubuntu?
[02:45] <tepsipakki> should be, if they are fine for redhat/fedora
[02:46] <jdub> azeem: gpl+font exception
[02:47] <azeem> jdub: well, plus some "Intellectual Properties" asserting their Trademark rights
[02:47] <azeem> +clause
[02:48] <azeem> I'm a bit dissapointed by their lawyer-speak
[02:49] <azeem> "Subject to the following terms, Red Hat, Inc. ("Red Hat") grants to the user ("Client") a license to this work pursuant to  the GNU General Public License v.2 with the exceptions set forth below and such  other terms as our set forth in this End User License Agreement."
[02:49] <ion_> I just granted some fecal property rights to a porcelain container.
[03:26] <bhale> jdub: oooh powertop
[03:29] <jdub> bhale: doesn't work with current gusty kernel tho either :
[03:29] <jdub> :|
[03:29] <bhale> jdub: you forced it to install 2.6."22"? it isnt in linux-meta yet
[03:29] <jdub> ja
[03:30] <bhale> "when running a gnome desktop 3 wakeups per second is acheivable"
[03:31] <bhale> gnome mobile drives the desktop (again)
[03:36] <mjg59> bhale: CONFIG_TIMER_STATS isn't set in 22 yet
[03:36] <bhale> mjg59: are we going to try NO_HZ?
[03:37] <mjg59> It's on already
[03:38] <bhale> i'd better give that a run on the laptop
[03:38] <mjg59> I'm working through some of the fixups
[03:38] <jdong> how are the real-world power savings on CONFIG_HZ?
[03:38] <mjg59> There's going to need to be some kernel work for several machines
[03:38] <mjg59> jdong: Varies heavily
[03:38] <mjg59> jdong: Optimally, a couple of watts
[03:39] <jdong> ok
[03:39] <mjg59> So if your machine is drawing 25 to start with, it's not a huge win
[03:39] <mjg59> If you're under 10, that's obviously not the case
[03:39] <jdong> I'd expect the savings to become more significant wit h the next gen CPU's that can enter a much deeper sleep?
[03:40] <mjg59> As CPUs improve there's more potential for improvement, yeah
[03:41] <jdong> cool
[07:20] <TeKnoW> Attention:  private conflicts with christel lead to netwide bans. And complaints are to be taken to the PDPC lawyer. That is how your donations are used.
[07:22] <jdong> umm... intreesting....
[07:56] <pygi> join #edubuntu
[08:32] <KHatfull> greetings...
[08:33] <KHatfull> I come by way of #ubuntforums...is mjg59 around?  
[08:54] <mitsuhiko> is it possible that pycentral randomly breaks on ubuntu?
[09:21] <TomaszD> anyone knows the date for next language-pack upload for feisty?
[10:43] <pureDesi> I want to start developing under ubuntu but not sure what language I should dedicate myself to, any suggestions?
[10:46] <pygi> pureDesi, dunno, python? :)
[10:47] <pureDesi> sounds good
[10:48] <pygi> great then
[10:48] <pureDesi> I know PHP/MySQL couple of other minor languages, do these relate to python in any way?
[11:01] <pochu> cjwatson: hello! are you ok if I merge base-files?
[11:59] <av16ar> hello everybody