=== lbm [n=lbm@0x555373ab.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:20] oh god, someone's spamming help messages across bug reports now. [12:20] oh how I wish I could stab over TCP/IP. === anibal [n=anibal@debian/developer/anibal] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bddebian [n=bdefrees@c-71-224-172-103.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:27] Heya gang [12:27] hey bddebian [12:28] Hi lfittl [12:28] hi bddebian [12:28] Hello persia [12:28] crimsun: What do you mean? [12:31] shawarma: spamming "omg no sound" comments across completely unrelated bugs [12:31] it would be similar to blaming firefox for your openoffice.org crashes [12:31] crimsun: I suppose launchpad has been `elevated` to webforum status, eh? [12:32] Hi bddebian [12:32] crimsun: Oh, that kind of help messages. [12:32] Heya geser [12:33] crimsun: have you a minute? [12:33] crimsun: /win 7 [12:33] geser: not ATM (alsa triaging), but in 10 mins. [12:33] ffs.. === rollerskatejamms [n=rollersk@pool-71-249-99-9.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:41] geser: hi, available now. === beuno [n=martin@ubuntu/member/beuno] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:44] it's about that vpnc bug [12:44] http://librarian.launchpad.net/7607432/vpnc-0.4.0-2ubuntu1_0.4.0-2ubuntu1.1.diff === jikanter [n=jikanter@c-24-12-220-77.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:45] should the change to vpnc-script be removed or can it stay? [12:45] it looks unrelated to me [12:46] it doesn't look related [12:46] so remove it? [12:47] yep [12:48] thanks, I'll reread the procedure for SRU and upload it (once I removed this change) [12:48] make sure you upload to the correct place ;) [12:48] I forgot to use the correct host, which is a good thing now that I think about it. [12:49] different host? [12:49] yep [12:50] (security.upload.ubuntu.com) [12:52] is it documented somewhere? [12:53] I can't remember reading about it [12:54] the only documentation I have is "pitti, help!" [12:54] that was about a half-year ago [12:56] is it really for SRUs? the hostname suggests it's only for security updates [12:57] oh, uh, nevermind me. [12:57] Too many debdiffs flying around [12:58] sorry for the ambiguity === racarr [n=robb@pool-71-163-244-36.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:18] crimsun: need the archive admins to be notified about uploads to -proposed? [01:18] geser: not according to the SRU wikis [01:19] good [01:19] (only for the final move to -updates) [01:19] I guess the same change should also be uploaded to gutsy === giskard [n=giskard@213-140-22-74.fastres.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === rrittenhouse [n=tad@unaffiliated/rrittenhouse] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:42] slomo: I'm gonna prepare an sru for bug 103688 for feisty. It's a one-line-fix. Do I apply it directly to the code? Since we don't have a patch system, afaik :) [01:42] Launchpad bug 103688 in liferea "liferea crashes - ** ERROR **: file itemlist.c: line 172 (itemlist_load): assertion failed: (NULL != itemSet)" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/103688 [01:45] i'm patching squirrelmail for edgy and does not have patch system after apt-get source squirrelmail [01:45] cd sourcedir [01:45] and do [01:45] dpatch-edit-patch 01_bigpatch [01:45] ?? [01:45] and apply the patch to the source ? [01:46] err, no. [01:46] You should already have the patch and thus be able to test its application to edgy's source [01:46] patch --dry-run [01:47] Hey all. [01:47] Hi TheMuso === effie_jayx [n=valles@190.37.174.62] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:48] afaik leonel will patch 7 security bugs in squirrelmail from edgy [01:48] leonel: how many different patches do you have? === asac_ [n=asac@debian/developer/asac] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:00] Night === effie_jayx [n=valles@190.37.174.62] has joined #ubuntu-motu === hagi__ [n=hagi@adsl-84-227-18-68.adslplus.ch] has joined #ubuntu-motu === hagi [n=hagi@adsl-84-227-142-52.adslplus.ch] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/Amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu === persia [n=persia@p1033-ipbf37marunouchi.tokyo.ocn.ne.jp] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === DktrKranz [n=Luca@ubuntu/member/dktrkranz] has joined #ubuntu-motu === RAOF [n=chris@60-242-199-65.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:51] geser: for edgy I found 6 patches [02:51] geser: and for dapper I found 9 === Lathiat [n=lathiat@ubuntu/member/pdpc.basic.lathiat] has joined #ubuntu-motu === hagi_ [n=hagi@adsl-84-227-133-129.adslplus.ch] has joined #ubuntu-motu === concept10 [n=concept1@adsl-70-251-0-137.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:58] sounds like we hasn't touched squirrelmail since dapper [02:58] haven't* [02:58] damn grammar === drbair_laptop [n=ryan@cpe-74-68-62-97.hvc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:03] minghua: yes and that's what I'm trying to [03:04] minghua: already did the debdiff for feisty's squirrelmail now on to edgy and dapper [03:09] I'm attempting to compile and package ifolder and friends. While trying to compile I'm getting an error that it 'cannot find -lstdc++'. The library is installed, but complains unless I make a symlink to /usr/lib/libstdc++.so. What would be the proper way to resolve this? [03:10] install the appropriate -dev packages i expect [03:12] that doesn't make sense, since g++-4.1 depends on libstdc++6-4.1-dev [03:12] right, libstdc++6-4.1-dev is installed [03:13] the build will only go through if I symlink /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6 to /usr/lib/libstdc++.so [03:13] drbair_laptop: so what's the output of "dpkg -L libstdc++6-4.1-dev | grep 'libstdc++.so'" ? [03:14] sounds like a broken build system to me [03:15] /usr/lib/gcc/i486-linux-gnu/4.1.2/libstdc++.so ... so apparently its not looking in the right place then [03:16] is its build system auto* based or something else? [03:17] autoconf [03:17] crimsun: the patch --dry-run rejects some and 1 says can't find file to patch [03:17] leonel: welcome to the world of backporting support. === RAOF [n=chris@60-242-199-65.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ceros [n=user@c-76-111-84-156.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:23] sys_lib_search_path_spec does include /usr/lib/gcc/i486-linux-gnu/4.1.2/ [03:23] crimsun: jejeje can we just tar xvzf package and be happy ??? just joking [03:25] crimsun: it's patching version 1.4.8 with 1.4.10 patches and patch rejects some so [03:25] can I patch "by hand" ? [03:26] yes. === schultmc [n=schultmc@c-69-138-34-114.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:29] because dapper's squirrelmail is older and has more patches .. [03:29] crimsun: this by hand will be done in dpatch-edit-patch 01_longpatch ? [03:30] leonel: I'd break it into separate patches for easier auditing/verification. [03:31] and if dapper's source package in fact build-deps on dpatch. [03:32] for edgy i have 6 patches [03:32] do you mean do 6 debdiffs ? and 6 bugreports ? [03:32] no, 6 dpatches [03:32] one debdiff [03:33] all the same bugreport (as feisty-security) [03:33] 6 dpatches ?? [03:33] how ? [03:33] run dpatch-edit-patch six times [03:33] ok [03:34] sorry for too many questions .. just learning .. === czessi_ [n=Czessi@dslb-088-073-057-151.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:40] np. === freeflying [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:44] it's gonna be a nice trip to backporting land === rollerskatejamms [n=rollersk@pool-71-249-99-9.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:45] I got to go now I'll do it later on or tomorrow I hope found help here in case I need .. In case ? i will need .. [03:45] thank you very much [03:47] np. [03:47] thanks again for working on it. === IanC [n=IanC@WNPP-p-203-54-28-252.prem.tmns.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === DarkMageZ [n=richard@ppp36-84.lns3.syd7.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zul [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === DarkMageZ [n=richard@ppp36-84.lns3.syd7.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === TheMuso is amazed that ubuntu desktop isn't shipped with smart tools, or the smart notifier. [04:24] as in the package manager or smartmon*? [04:25] crimsun: smartmontools & smart-notifier [04:25] both. hmm. === TheMuso is currently running extended tests on all drives === mayday_jay [n=mayday_j@maydayjay.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:25] smart-notifier is a GTK app. [04:26] smartmontools actually does the monitoring. [04:26] I guess whats needed, is a user-friendly applet to help people configure it. [04:26] ...and make users aware of its usefulness. [04:26] yeah, gotta get out of the habit of using smartctl all the time, I suppose :-) [04:26] Yeah. [04:27] smart-notifier is in universe, that could be one reason [04:27] Flannel: Yeah, but its not hard to write up a spec to see that changed. === TheMuso might do that for next release. [04:27] I'm going to whiteboard (locally) the UI for the new asoundrc conf tool. [04:27] Cool. [04:28] Do you think I should build it into control-center (System> Preferences> Sound) or into asoundconf-gtk? [04:28] hmmmm [04:28] Do many users usually need one? [04:28] People might want jack. [04:28] that's a good question. I'm seeing a lot of users wanting dmixed surround5.1 by default. [04:28] Er, not jack, dmix [04:29] StevenK: Dmix is on by default afaik [04:29] wishie and I have been cataloging and building up a database of known-working asoundrcs [04:29] crimsun: What exactly do you maen mixed 5.1 [04:29] TheMuso: by default, only 2-channel is dmixed [04:29] ah [04:29] many people are wanting their 6-channel dmixed [04:29] thats a lot of CPU though I would think [04:30] so they've been wanting upmixed + dmix [04:30] Is that messy [04:30] nope. === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:30] I'd like to make a gtk app to facilitate it. [04:31] Right. [04:31] Would PyGTK be suitable, or does it need to be in C? [04:31] e.g., if you want dmixed surround5.1 or whatever, you tick a checkbox instead of going to #alsa [04:31] right [04:31] StevenK: pygtk would be fine. It only needs to write out an asoundrc [04:32] How good is PortAudio v19 and alsa these days? [04:32] according to persia, still lacking [04:32] grmph [04:32] great... === TheMuso was *hoping* to get espeak using pa19 by gutsy release. [04:32] audacity (merge) uses an internal, patched copy of PA v19 (ugh!) [04:32] So we could have ALSA goodness. [04:33] crimsun: So thats what may still be lacking? [04:33] Or is it being linked against the pa19 in universe? [04:33] bypassing system-wide PA v19 completely and using the copy of PA v19 distributed in the audacity 1.3.2 source. [04:34] Riiiight [04:34] Is that... um... wise? [04:34] No, it's dumb. [04:34] yeah, not too happy about it myself. It's documented in the audacity merge bug on LP. [04:34] Right. [04:34] TheMuso: Say we find a buffer overflow in PA. What then? [04:34] StevenK: Yeah I know. [04:35] persia is the one to ask; I haven't been scrutinising it. [04:35] Yey. [04:35] yay even [04:35] Drive tests seem to be ok on this machine at least. === StevenK waits for debootstrap on his poor, poor sparc. [04:37] I should get around to putting a 20Gb drive with Dapper on it one of these days. [04:37] Heh [04:38] It's running Debian testing, that pre-dates the release of Etch, and is held together by gaffa tape and willpower. [04:38] oh shit [04:38] Someone trying to run jackd on a pentium 2. [04:39] ...yet I think jack is built with sse. === StevenK smirks. [04:39] Some processor registers are not going to be pleased. [04:39] Well the bug report I just saw is for an illegal instruction. [04:39] SO jack doesn't run. === TheMuso goes to look. === TheMuso thinks jack needs something similar to ardour, where if sse is available, use it, otherwise, don't,. === bmm [n=chatzill@cc400801-a.groni1.gr.home.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:41] Yep... [04:41] * debian/rules: [04:41] - enable -m3dnow and -msse on i386 and amd64 [04:41] Great. [04:41] crimsun: Your thoughts? [04:42] well, how ugly a patch do we need to create? :-) [04:42] Yeah I know. [04:42] This is one reason why I was going to use gentoo for audio. I could build all this software with such flags, and know it would run. [04:43] With binary distros such as Ubuntu, tradeoffs like this often have to be made. [04:43] Which means performance suffers for someone. [04:43] well, it's early enough in the devel cycle to simply drop that change [04:43] Yep. [04:43] Do you want me to take care of it? [04:43] Will just disable those flags for now... [04:43] we would be recommending the RT kernel and the PAM limits.conf addition anyhow, so it shouldn't be noticeable. [04:43] sure, please. [04:44] Ok will do. [04:44] thanks. [04:45] Actually, to be more practicle, I can still leave them turned on for amd64, and just drop for i386. [04:45] right === bmm is amazed there isn't a new ubuntu motu mail waiting for him [04:48] I thought the mailinglist was so active. Anything wrong somewhere,or have I just been gone for so little time? [04:48] The MOTU list does not get much traffic at all. [04:48] ah ok. [04:48] Its a debian bug. [04:48] oh, then the fault is with me :-D [04:48] Didn't realise I was in the debian multimedia folder. [04:49] I might let this sit for a couple of days then, and see what the multimedia team decide. [04:49] Better to remain in sync for jack if possible... [04:49] TheMuso: right-o. === freeflying [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tonyy [n=anthony@ubuntu/member/tonyyarusso] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:02] TheMuso: are you on ubuntu time again? [05:03] bmm: Not really. [05:03] Ok, sorry to have bothered you then. [05:03] bmm: Ah thats cool. [05:03] Its just that I could get called away at any point atm. 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=== freeflying [n=freeflyi@221.216.20.205] has joined #ubuntu-motu === matid [n=matid@195.116.35.6] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:38] Is there any particular reason that dh_iconcache is not in Sid's debhelper? [06:39] RAOF: no agreement over its semantics and adoption. [06:39] so yes, we'll need to maintain that delta indefinitely. [06:40] Right. So I'm going to have to manually implement what it does in my package, then? [06:40] That sucks. [06:40] why indefinitely? crimsun you think there will never be an agreement? [06:40] eh? No. Just don't invoke it from within your Debian source package. [06:40] minghua: in this context, indefinitely means until further notice. [06:41] But won't that break the icon cache? Or does sid just not use that feature? === minghua heads to dictionary [06:41] RAOF: sid simply doesn't use it. [06:41] Ah, cool. Kinda. [06:43] crimsun: I see, I thought indefinitely meant eternally [06:44] sorry for the stupid question === angasule_ [n=angasule@190.49.199.15] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Fujitsu [n=william@ubuntu/member/fujitsu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === rollerskatejamms [n=rollersk@pool-71-249-99-9.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === rollerskatejamms [n=rollersk@pool-71-249-99-9.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ranf [n=ralfm@dslb-084-058-110-033.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:54] hi [06:54] Heeelo. [06:55] minghua: np, not at all stupid. === tudenbart [n=willi@xdsl-213-196-249-59.netcologne.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === StevenK sighs at the Freenode global notice that happened while he was away. [07:07] maintenance downtime is sometimes required. [07:08] It's not the fact that downtime is required -- I can deal with that, it's the "This is your captian speaking ..." thing. === superm1 [n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:08] ah [07:09] i guess they're just trying to make things seem more interesting [07:10] +1 point for creativity -2 points for annoyingness [07:10] Works for me. [07:11] When's the downtime, and for how long? === tudenbart is now known as dothebart === rollerskatejamms [n=rollersk@pool-71-249-99-9.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:54] moins all === aplg [n=me@amarok/rokymotion/apachelogger] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:01] moin === Hanusz_Leszek [n=Hanusz_L@155.142-65-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Hanusz_Leszek [n=Hanusz_L@155.142-65-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === persia [n=persia@p1033-ipbf37marunouchi.tokyo.ocn.ne.jp] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:07] hey all [08:07] is there a hal channel? [08:07] or any hal gurus lurking? === ThiefOfBaghdad [n=aanjhan@unaffiliated/tuxmaniac] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Zic [n=Zic@Final-Fantasy.FF-IRC.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === _czessi [n=Czessi@dslb-088-073-057-151.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Lure [n=lure@ubuntu/member/lure] has joined #ubuntu-motu === vi1 [n=vladimir@ip-85-160-78-18.eurotel.cz] has joined #ubuntu-motu === fargiolas [n=pippo@host99-151-static.104-80-b.business.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ivoks [n=ivoks@34-107.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === blackskad [n=blackska@d54C4A53D.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jussi01 [n=jussi@dyn3-82-128-185-45.psoas.suomi.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Monk-e [n=guido@c529dd229.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ASCIIGirl [n=mlt@debian/developer/mlt] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:30] Hi all! I would like to know why this packages appear on italics on the repository ftp://ftp.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/a/adept/ [09:32] ASCIIGirl, I just looked at the source. It says symbolic link. Maybe that's the reason. [09:32] where that symlink goes to? [09:32] adept-batch? === ptitdav69 [n=ptitdav6@75.235.102-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:34] right click it, then properties [09:35] ok, thanks... [09:35] np === TomaszD [n=tom@unaffiliated/tomaszd] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jpon [n=jpon@neu67-3-82-239-80-181.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:50] ASCIIGirl, because its now in main ( not universe, but still symbolicly linked there iirc ) [09:51] imbrandon, great!!!!!! :) thanks! [09:51] imbrandon: I ordered a macbook today :) [09:51] jdong, rockin [09:51] I can't wait for it to arrive :) [09:51] :) === imbrandon hugs his apple [09:52] yay for picking own birthday presents :D [09:52] I've been hinting at my parents that I wanted a macbook... and for my birthday, they e-mailed me a screenshot of apple.com/store, and said "see your checking account" :D [09:52] how sweet of them :) === micahcowan [n=micahcow@ubuntu/member/micahcowan] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:53] jdong: NICE :D [09:53] Not bad! [09:53] so I'm really happy now :) === Fujitsu kicks Debian maintainers who omit necessary build-depends. [09:54] Doesn't that imply the dev didn't pbuild? :/ [09:54] why they are allowed to upload binary packages is past me [09:54] imbrandon: Same. [09:55] micahcowan, yes [09:55] micahcowan: Most don't. They can upload binary packages. [09:55] debian allows binary uploads? [09:55] So, if they've already got the build-depends installed, and they don't pbuild... [09:55] yes [09:55] jdong: Correct. [09:55] so people could be building in tainted environments? [09:55] jdong, and often do [09:55] That's right. It's stupid. [09:55] :( [09:55] sounds illogical [09:55] for an otherwise very tightly regulated project in terms of quality [09:55] In that respect, using an obscure architecture is a good thing to do. [09:56] That way you get mostly autobuilt packages. [09:56] But hey, they've got their signature on it! : [09:56] lol [09:56] so they can point fingers with 100% accuracy! [09:56] :D [09:56] Fujitsu: the argument I heard is that binary uploads guarantee that the package can at least be built, so you don't have really broken uploads [09:57] minghua: But then you have broken binaries that depend on some package on the DD's system. [09:57] Huh. Of course, an automated build manager guarantees that, too... [09:57] *package that's only on [09:57] lol [09:57] minghua: for the longest time the debian azureus packages were "mystery built".... [09:57] Fujitsu: well, then they got RC bugs filed against them [09:57] i.e. I could not for the life of me get it to not FTBFS [09:57] despite there being "binaries" in the archive [09:58] Fujitsu: and daily emails to -devel list with their names along with their RC bugs [09:58] I thought they only allowed binary uplaods for like contrib/non-free or something [09:58] jdong: debian azureus is crap [09:58] s/daily/weekly/ [09:58] minghua: But the source-only uploads eliminate that possibility entirely, and ensure the binaries are actually at least a bit real. [09:58] man-di: true :) [09:58] says the debian eclipse maintainer who fought a long fight with the azureus maintainer [09:58] Hahaha, Java. [09:58] jdong: was azureus in main or contrib then? [09:59] contrib? [09:59] I think [09:59] minghua: contrib [09:59] I thought it was just a contrib issue [09:59] well, then I don't see any problem [09:59] they use Sun Java, I assume [09:59] no, its in main now [10:00] Fujitsu: I'm just telling you the argument I heard, not necessarily agreeing with it [10:00] jdong: no, its a dumbness issue of the maintainer [10:00] minghua: Noted. [10:00] jdong: he has no clue about java, thats his probelm [10:00] I saw something about it recently; possibly in one of the DPL platforms. [10:01] Fujitsu, you actualy read those? heh [10:01] imbrandon: Some of them. [10:01] minghua: lately he used GCJ [10:01] minghua: but not in a good way [10:01] minghua: its more mis-use [10:01] man-di: yeah, I think that's the only way it can be main _now_ [10:01] maybe things will change in the future === imbrandon considers gnusolaris for a webserver [10:01] minghua: perhaps [10:02] imbrandon: I've only roughly played with it... it seemed interesting [10:02] minghua: thanks to doko for fixing azurues for Ubuntu a bit [10:02] nextenia (sp? ) [10:02] jdong, ^ [10:02] Fujitsu: I think a recent change in Debian is that DDs are allowed to do binary-only uploads now [10:02] minghua: this was always allowed [10:03] Fujitsu: the platform, which I also heard about, should be about source _only_ uploads [10:03] imbrandon: yeah, nexenta [10:03] yea i have had it installed on a box here about 3 weeks ( since Ian went to Sun ), seems solid and its based on ubuntu packages ( abet old ones ) [10:03] binNMUs, you mean? That has been there forever. [10:03] minghua: but there were some restrictions on some archs lately and the GR reverted this again [10:03] imbrandon: they were like dapper-age packages... [10:03] not terribly bad [10:03] man-di: no, by binary-only, I mean no sources, just the .debs [10:03] yea dapper packages , edgy artwork [10:03] though admittedly I liked FBSD ports better [10:03] though overall I found FBSD to be pretty high maintenance [10:03] though fun [10:03] minghua: thats what I mean too [10:03] Fujitsu: no, different thing, although binNMU is perhaps no more than two years old [10:04] i.e. this irssi is running on a 32MB RAM FBSD vmware session :) [10:04] why... because I feel like it :D [10:04] lol [10:04] minghua: the problem was that only 3 people were allowed to upload binaries for arm [10:04] minghua: and this GR reverted this decision [10:04] minghua: Guhttp://www.nabble.com/update-on-binary-upload-restrictions-t3095812.html [10:04] Oops. [10:04] s/minghua: Gu// [10:05] Evening folks [10:05] That gives the reasons for not moving to source-only. [10:05] Fujitsu: this is what was reverted by the GR [10:05] Hi TheMuso. [10:05] man-di: GR? [10:05] general resolution [10:05] smoke break brb [10:06] Fujitsu: Debian General Resolution, a way to overrule decisions [10:06] Ah. [10:07] kinda like if -devel could veto a sabdfl decision [10:07] by votes [10:08] imbrandon: Not really. [10:08] StevenK, o rly? thats how i understood it [10:08] splain pwease :) [10:08] Well, a GR goes to a vote, with one of the options being "Further Discussion" [10:09] And it uses Condercet, so the winner might not be clear anyway. [10:09] Besides, he wouldn't be the SADBFL if we could overrule his vote. [10:10] heh :P [10:12] hi === Fujitsu waves to ajmitch. [10:12] http://www.debian.org/vote/2007/vote_002 [10:12] the GR man-di mentioned [10:12] although I still can't quite grasp what it means === ajmitch waves to Fujitsu from hong kong airport [10:13] minghua: the GR was a bit strange, I agree [10:14] minghua: and many people want to have a more general solution [10:14] wanted [10:15] man-di: did you say people could do binary-only uploads long ago, then James changed it, then this GR is passed and the rule goes back to where it was? [10:16] Binary-only uploads were only restricted for some architectures. === ajmitch still has nearly a full day of travelling to go, what fun [10:18] ajmitch: That does sound like fun. [10:20] it really is [10:20] ajmitch: maybe next time you can arrange to stay at Hong Kong for a day and play around :-) [10:20] my flight for auckland leaves in ~2 hours [10:20] and then I have 4 & 1/2 hours in auckland airport [10:20] thankfully there's free wifi here === predius [n=predius@190.8.154.185] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:23] Heya ajmitch. [10:24] minghua: yes [10:25] minghua: James changed it only for arm and some other small arch [10:25] ajmitch, heya [10:25] man long layover [10:26] I've had worse [10:26] man-di: I see. I think I only read the GR result and didn't know the whole story, therefore mis-intepreted it [10:26] man-di: thanks for the explanation [10:27] minghua: the GR was also misleading for people knowinf the whole story === Fujitsu kicks Debian maintainers who produce packages that fail to build even after having the two missing build-deps added. [10:31] Fujitsu: which package? [10:31] qgis [10:31] There was a serious bug filed on it 5 days ago about this. === Hanusz_Leszek [n=Hanusz_L@155.142-65-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Hanusz_Leszek [n=Hanusz_L@155.142-65-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === man-di hates security bug reports for problems I cant reproduce or even understand easily === ajmitch should probably preserve some battery life for the airport in NZ [10:34] since this wasn't fully charged [10:34] they have free wi-fi but no free power? [10:34] minghua: this way they can charge fo using your beard shaper too [10:34] :-) [10:35] although on second thought, you don't need a socket to use free wi-fi [10:35] hey would any of you MOTU's have a few moments for a revu? [10:35] oh they have free power [10:35] but it requires an appropriate plug [10:36] ajmitch, you dont have a plug that will work in NZ / [10:37] man the coke machine at work is out of mt dew :'( === dabaR [n=dabaR@wnpgmb09dc1-93-248.dynamic.mts.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:40] imbrandon: Can you survive? [10:40] ok, got power now === ajmitch just needed to put a deposit in for the adaptor [10:40] I thought with his fridge, imbrandon would never need a coke machine for mountain dew... === jussi01 [n=jussi@dyn3-82-128-185-45.psoas.suomi.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:41] fridge? I thought he just stacked them in front of the cooling units at the DC [10:41] minghua, hehe wellt he fridge is at home [10:41]