[12:26] you can also hold down shift while deleting in thunar -- then it won't use trash [12:27] i like to keep things untill i need somespace [12:27] rm doesn't use trash -- ever [12:28] thats why i tried it [12:28] Argh. My mouse is moving way too fast, but the control center settings won't change it... any thoughts? [12:28] because it wasnt deleting from trash [12:28] have bettter reflexes [12:28] hehe === root___ [n=root@80.83.26.22] has left #xubuntu [] === spasticteapot [n=spastict@66-188-130-15.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has left #xubuntu ["Leaving"] [12:29] Moving the mouse less than an inch puts it all the way across the screen. === cjae [n=cjae@142-165-37-205.estv.hsdb.sasknet.sk.ca] has joined #xubuntu [12:29] is there a 125x cd? [12:30] my burner says it can burn at 125x i would like to see that [12:30] 7200 rpm burner? [12:30] idk [12:31] Jester45, I just broke my xorg.conf and did dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg [12:31] Jester45, does this do a fresh reconfigure?? [12:31] yea [12:31] is the wacom thing in everyone?? [12:32] not mine [12:32] mines a streamlined 300 lines [12:33] I just looked at my xorg and was wondering if ubuntu does the wacom thing by default or if it reloaded a backup [12:33] it woudnt reload a backup unless you told it to [12:33] that would defeat the reason to reconfigure [12:33] Jester45, thought so does [12:34] it must be a default thing [12:34] what does -phigh enable [12:34] ?? === q-t [n=tholme@084202179124.customer.alfanett.no] has joined #xubuntu [12:35] ever used that [12:36] Jester45, and I edited out 15 bit resolution and added some to my tv out and it crashed [12:36] debconf only ask questions of priority high or critical [12:36] Hey, when i tried to enable the restricted driver manager to use the driver for mye ATI card, xubuntu wouldnt start up again. A big mistake maybe? === Jester45 tries not to use managers [12:36] besides apt [12:37] Jester45, my question is I don't need to have 15 bit for my monitor in there right?? I could just have 1 4 16 and 24 right? [12:37] just leave it [12:37] ok [12:38] its not gonna hurt [12:38] unless you need the diskspace [12:38] :) [12:38] not at all [12:38] 1 bit wouldnt that be all white? [12:39] or all black [12:39] I think its easier to cut xorg.conf down [12:39] um but can I make it just 640x480, 800x600 and 1024x780 without the other two options like [12:39] heerrr? [12:40] isn't that how it is by default? O.o [12:40] 640x350 and ones like that [12:40] Ideally I would like it to fit one one screen [12:40] (it is just a few lines more though) [12:40] Jester45, I am just trying to narrow what I did wrong [12:41] I think tv out can only be 24 bit or was that just an ati thing? [12:42] and can I only have one resolution or one bitrate? for tv out?? [12:42] no it can less [12:43] cause I took out the 15 bit section [12:43] mine goes from 8bit - 24bit and 400x300 - 800x600 [12:43] well in windows [12:43] my cards not supported yet [12:44] and took out silly resolutions on 640x480, 800x600 and 1024x780 [12:45] then I tried to add 800x600 and 640x480 two screen 1 @ 24 bit and boom no more xserver [12:46] try 640x480 with a smaller bit like 16 [12:46] I wanted the other resolutions out for my monitor so when I push ctr +- it only uses 640, 800 and 1024 [12:47] I have used 24 1024 on my tv out before just wanted to be able to switch it so I can read it when on the couch [12:47] to 800x600 [12:48] I think someone said to me that you can only use one though [12:48] on tv out === Scrape [n=scrape@216.186.171.3] has left #xubuntu [] [12:48] might wanna check with the ati driver docs [12:48] I have an nvidia [12:48] what out put? s-video? [12:48] or nvidia ones === NrbelexUbuntu [n=chatzill@ool-4576ee1c.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #xubuntu [12:49] s video [12:49] you mean dpi [12:49] How does one change the permission options on multiple files using thunar? I can't even do it as root. [12:50] I gave up on ati awhile ago [12:50] i love ati [12:50] then tried it again in slackware and should have just punched myself instead [12:52] I don't like either both of their new drivers in windows suck major ------ fill your own blank [12:52] it would be nice if xorg could detect dual cards [12:52] and ask if you want to enable output on them [12:53] they are so big that they substantially slow my p4 512mb box down [12:54] i like rovclock [12:55] i took out an old card and rovcloked the core to 600mhz [12:55] didnt even display anything [12:57] I reverted my ati in another box to the old 5.10 catalyst [12:58] and the new super idiot control center driver of m$ my makes my tv flicker and sound snap [12:59] and takes like 2 minutes to load (well not quite) [01:00] of > for === aboyousif [n=aboyousi@196.20.45.101] has joined #xubuntu [01:01] oh and it should say nvidia [01:01] I need some quality sleep [01:03] If your xserver doesnt work, how do you boot straight into 'just the terminal' ?? [01:04] are you at the end of the boot message [01:05] Jester45, that didn't break anything?? [01:06] cjae: me? [01:06] q-t y [01:07] q-t, sorry I mean yes cat pulled kb [01:07] ehm not now, but Im doing stuff that always ends up with me not getting into the xserver, it stalls in different places. And I was wondering if someone knew a way to boot without getting into X. I`ve only gotten there by accident before:P [01:07] just typing alot ;P [01:08] its the damn ati card [01:08] you can stop {k,g,x}dm from running [01:09] how do I do that without entering x? [01:09] select recovery mode [01:09] so I can configure xorg.conf and so on.... [01:09] ok [01:09] I dont get prompted for anything, it just boots in [01:09] (that should be without x anyway) [01:09] update-rc.d -f remove gdm [01:10] h3sp4wn: what is that? [01:10] man update-rc.d [01:10] ok [01:12] it will make my linux not boot into xserver untill i type startx....? === jad_jay [n=jay@fau42-2-82-239-195-55.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #xubuntu [01:15] yes [01:15] thnx:) [01:16] im reading the man now, im just not very used to all these new commands. Havent used linux that long:) [01:16] Havent the first clue what to do when things go wrong:P === ZenDJiNN [n=djinn@ABordeaux-156-1-75-126.w90-5.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #xubuntu [01:20] update-rc.d -f gdm remove (I got it the wrong way round) [01:20] you can put back with - update-rc.d gdm defaults === lum [n=hank_k8d@01-249.002.usol.com] has joined #xubuntu === lum [n=hank_k8d@01-249.002.usol.com] has joined #xubuntu === lum [n=hank_k8d@01-249.002.usol.com] has left #xubuntu ["User] [01:29] ok [01:29] Im gonna do that after I re-install xubuntu on my laptop === k8dd_ [n=hank_k8d@01-249.002.usol.com] has joined #xubuntu [01:32] ehm, it isnt 'update-rc.d -f xfce remove' or something in xubuntu, instead of gmd?? [01:32] afraid I dont understand if gnome and xfce are totally seperate === uranther [n=james@74-138-15-250.dhcp.insightbb.com] has joined #xubuntu [01:40] Xubuntu uses gdm. [01:41] thought it used xfce [01:41] It does. [01:42] okay, so xfce is a function on gnome? [01:42] or gdm [01:42] No, xfce is a separate desktop environment. [01:42] q-t: both gnome and xfce are relly just a set of many applications [01:43] i c [01:43] q-t: xfce doesn't have its own desktop manager, so we use gnome's === cjae [n=cjae@142-165-37-205.estv.hsdb.sasknet.sk.ca] has joined #xubuntu [01:43] q-t: because it doesn't use too much parts from gnome [01:43] s/we/xubuntu [01:43] sorry [01:43] it only uses gdm really === unikon [n=unikon@unaffiliated/unikon] has joined #xubuntu [01:45] GDM is just the display manager. It manages setting up a graphical prompt from which a user can start a desktop session. [01:46] Jester45, the wacom part must be needed [01:46] cjae: why? [01:46] cause it s the only part I deleted again it d\broke the server [01:47] cjae: aaah, you need to remove the wacom parts form the servelayout section too [01:47] So xfce isnt a desktop manager [01:47] cjae: sorry, forgot about that [01:47] q-t: display manager [01:47] aaaah, i c [01:47] ill try [01:47] q-t: You're mixing your terms. [01:47] so xubuntu is running xfce as display manager and gnome as desktop manager... [01:47] right ?:P [01:47] Nope. :) [01:48] Pumpernickel: that was me, sorry [01:48] hehe [01:48] okay [01:48] hmmmm [01:48] GDM is just the login portion. [01:48] From there, xfwm4 is the window manager, and the various parts of the desktop environment are all provided by parts of xfce. [01:48] I wish I had a friend that knew linux from the inside out, so someone could show me in person the basics + + [01:49] e.g, the panels, menus, desktop background + icons, etc. [01:49] okay, so gnome logs you into the xserver, and then xfce takes over.... [01:49] No, GDM, does that. [01:49] argh [01:49] :P [01:49] q-t: that message about starting GNOME is just wrong === cjae_ [n=cjae@142-165-37-205.estv.hsdb.sasknet.sk.ca] has joined #xubuntu [01:50] I think I'm going to file a bug [01:50] gdm is the only part of gnome involved [01:50] TheSheep: ok [01:50] if you have gnome services, you can use the session manager to start gnome services on login [01:50] like if you install gnome-keyring-manager or something [01:51] ok [01:51] you mean "CorePointer" and "Corekeyboard" [01:51] TheSheep, [01:52] cjae_: no, the other ones [01:52] cjae_: I don't have an xorg.cong handy [01:52] conf [01:52] When I use the 'https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI' explanation for installing ATI drivers on xubuntu, the 6.10 (Edgy) explanation. This is better than just adding the driver to the restricted driver manager, or is it just the same??? [01:52] I am going to pastebin both conf k [01:52] confs [01:53] q-t: depends [01:53] Is nt the restricted 96xx driver? [01:54] cjae_: yes:P [01:54] and the edgy way 8xxx [01:54] q-t: you get newver driver, but it's not tested so well and supported by ubuntu team [01:54] it seemed to be stable with beryl installed [01:55] TheSheep: Ok, because I have had nothing but trouble with that graph card....ati mobility radeon 9600 [01:55] I think the old driver is a little old [01:55] I was wondering about tuning down the graphics, running it simple or something [01:57] cjae_: it said that if the feisty 7.04 way didnt work you should try the edgy way.... [02:00] anyone know how to install pidgin 2.0 NOT pidgin beta [02:04] ok I have almost destroyed my desktop [02:04] here is the one that works http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/20557/ [02:05] and the one that doesn't http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/20558/ [02:06] TheSheep, [02:06] Jester45, === zials [n=amistr@bas3-windsor12-1177903466.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #xubuntu [02:13] hi === Smygis [n=smygis@e611.cust.vannas.net] has joined #xubuntu === Catoptromancy [n=Catoptro@fl-71-1-235-150.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has joined #xubuntu [02:16] cjae: looks good [02:16] doesn't work [02:16] cjae: what's the error? [02:16] trying again hang on [02:17] the whole server is broke would you like to see ... but I selected no and got thrown to $ [02:17] will try again think I saw typo [02:18] cjae: you have one EndSection toot many in line 60 [02:18] think so === TheSheep --> bed [02:18] good luck [02:21] should I have this sorry for no pastebin desktop is whack [02:21] Section "ServerLayout" [02:21] Identifier "Simple Layout" [02:21] Screen 0 "Screen[0] " [02:21] Screen 1 "Screen[1] " RightOf "Screen[0] " [02:21] InputDevice "Configured Mouse" "CorePointer" [02:21] InputDevice "Generic Keyboard" "CoreKeyboard" [02:22] EndSection [02:22] TheSheep, [02:22] the core pointer part [02:22] and kb === ouz [n=ouz@c-71-236-220-58.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #xubuntu [02:24] i have a xubuntu display question [02:25] the top task bar - Applications has disappeared, what is the best way to get it back? [02:27] x.x [02:28] right click on an empty spot on the top task bar [02:28] and select "Add new item" [02:28] there is no top task bar, that is what disappeared [02:28] a new window should open, scroll all the way down and pick the "XFCE menu" [02:28] O.o === jad_jay [n=jay@fau42-2-82-239-195-55.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #xubuntu [02:31] well, do you want to restore the bar or just access the applications menu? [02:31] how can i upgrade from 6.06 to 7.04 Xubuntu [02:32] zials my applications tab is missing as well [02:32] is it the whole bar or just the tab? [02:32] i am able to access the applications menu now by right clicking the desktop [02:33] i enabled it through desktop settings [02:33] i would like to know how to restore the bar though [02:33] well, if you want to add a new panel [02:33] theres a pannel on the bottom right? [02:34] right click it and select "Customize panel" [02:34] unikon: you have to upgrade from 6.06 to 6.10 to 7.04 [02:34] !upgrade [02:34] For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes [02:35] jester45, ubotu if i upgrade will all my settings and logs remain unchanged [02:35] yes [02:36] thanks [02:36] but... upgrading can cause trobles [02:36] how so [02:36] diffrent things go wrong [02:36] so its best to do a fresh install with the latest version [02:37] it is best to use apt-get dist-upgrade from a ttyl(alt + ctrl + F1) and kill the xserver while upgrading [02:37] to get the entire panel or taskbar back i used this command "xfce4-panel &" [02:37] ouz: yes you dont have to put the & [02:38] ouz: unless your in a terminal [02:38] i was in a terminal and wanted it in the background [02:38] guess i need to make sure i save settings on exit to keep panel [02:39] unikon: its safer to do a fresh install, you can burn things you need to a cd and do a dist-upgrade and if it breaks something then do a fresh install and use the cd to restore things === jmichaelx [n=james@c-24-7-251-85.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #xubuntu [02:39] ouz: or add it to the auto started applications [02:41] jester45 have you by chance installed pidgin 2.0 yet NOT the beta? [02:42] nope [02:42] is that the firefox like music player? [02:42] ahh [02:42] thanks, did not know about the autostarted applications [02:43] how long do you think ittakes from product release to availability on synaptic? [02:43] pidgin new version of gaim [02:43] i installed it. [02:43] o yea [02:44] it seems the same to me.. just diff look.. to avoid their copyright troubles on the logo/name [02:44] prrp did you install from source [02:44] its in synaptic i think it just under the name of gaim so people know what it is [02:44] i think so.. holdon.. lemme see [02:44] it was either source or a .deb [02:45] ok its not just renamed in the repos [02:45] it depends on the maintaners activity on it and how many people wnat it [02:46] is there a deb on the pidgin site unikon? [02:46] no there isnt [02:46] then i used the src i guess [02:46] can't remember.. it was only 3 days ago or so too.. how sad. [02:47] just the source in tar.bz2 [02:47] yeah. i remember that [02:47] i did compile it. [02:48] i will make one if you want === Teshadael [n=jprice@cpe-66-67-98-123.rochester.res.rr.com] has joined #xubuntu [02:48] pRrp it may sound weird but is it easy to compile [02:48] yeah, if you have errors and dont know what to apt-get to remedy it just ask [02:48] and just so you know its only in beta stage even tho the version is 2.0 [02:49] hold on a min [02:49] pidgin isnt available in apt-get and the guys in pidgin are saying that 2.0 IS out [02:49] i allmost got the deb done [02:50] yeah i know unikon [02:50] 2.0 IS out but it IS STILL BETA [02:50] im saying get the tar.bz2 and uncompress it.. attempt to compile [02:50] and if it wont.. i can help you get it to [02:50] i installed perfectly on xp [02:50] it's a learning process [02:50] it works fine. :) [02:50] cool [02:51] unikon: ok i have the .deb do you want me to try to send it to you? [02:51] please === ferret_0567 [n=ferret_0@cpe-72-183-231-110.satx.res.rr.com] has joined #xubuntu [02:52] its i386 [02:52] Does anybody know how to use Nautilus with XFCE? [02:52] i see [02:52] ferret install it and run it? [02:53] nvm [02:53] what's nautilus.. a newsreader? [02:53] it's gnome's default file manager. [02:53] file manager [02:53] ah [02:53] I think I know...just gotta disable xf4desktop from running, and make a startup script [02:53] dang crimsun you just jump in a beat me [02:54] i'm kde / fluxbox / xfce .. mostly [02:54] i always have shitty computers [02:54] ;) [02:54] fluxbox? Try openbox [02:54] cool. im using xf on here right now [02:55] openbox better? [02:55] yes [02:55] less resources? [02:55] quit [02:55] exit [02:55] unikon: is it going [02:55] I'm not so sure about that [02:55] Maybe a bit more...nothing much [02:55] its trying to [02:55] word. this laptop is shitty. [02:55] Or a bit less... [02:55] i have 128mb ram. 550Mhz processor [02:56] prrp lolv im running Xubuntu on a 650mhz desktop w/192 ram [02:56] but at least i can browse.. listen to mp3s.. stream vids.. etc. [02:56] lol* [02:56] unikon; works good too huh [02:56] yep [02:56] i'd smash this laptop if i had to run xp on it [02:56] but i bet others are using slower pc's than me [02:57] I'd smash mine too, and it's not slow [02:57] i thought about gentoo.. cause i had that on my old laptop and loved it.. but i didnt wanna spend a year compiling everything so i tried xubuntu.. [02:57] unikon: here -> http://rapidshare.com/files/28813389/pidgin_2.0.0beta7-1_i386.deb.html [02:57] pRrp win2k would work good on your lappy [02:57] no no. 95 [02:58] Win 98 [02:58] word.. no thanks ahha [02:58] 95 would run fast but you have the possiblity of crashing by pressing the start bar [02:58] lol [02:58] win 98se was on this thing when i got it.. only 64mb ram too.. i had an old compaq laptop i gutted a chip from and a harddrive to replace the dead one in here [02:58] so im rockn out with 128mb ram and xubuntu on a 6gb hdd [02:59] i still like notepad for simple html (98 version of notepad) [02:59] notepad was VERY usefull IMO [03:00] jester45 how long will that rapidshare page be up [03:01] ill have to go there later tonight [03:01] damn. my balls got stank quick. i just showered like a day ago [03:02] sorry.. wrong chan.. that was meant for #letstalkaboutthehygeineofourballs.. or something :/ [03:02] for at least of 90 days [03:02] cool [03:03] for rapidshare whats the largest file size allowed [03:03] not sure [03:04] well none if you use split archives [03:04] but its 100mb [03:04] no its 300 === vidd [n=vidd@static-72-86-135-243.phlapa.east.verizon.net] has joined #xubuntu [03:10] hey vidd [03:10] you can remove me from ssh if you want im not gonna be using it === aro [n=justin@53.181.188.72.cfl.res.rr.com] has joined #xubuntu === Laibsc1 [n=Laibsch@p54B95D5C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #xubuntu === cjae [n=cjae@142-165-37-205.estv.hsdb.sasknet.sk.ca] has joined #xubuntu [03:14] yea [03:14] works [03:14] thanks to all that helped [03:15] what working [03:15] xserver again [03:15] o [03:15] gonna try mouse now [03:15] and the screen 1 desktop [03:15] Jester45, thanks [03:16] Jester45, can get more resolutions on the tv out? more than one? [03:17] the tv can [03:18] and your card most likley can , its up to the driver [03:18] give it a new res and if it dies [03:18] run sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf and remove it [03:18] gonna try [03:19] anyone else tried avast for linux [03:19] ?? [03:19] it 's freakin sweet [03:19] does it have a dl daemon [03:19] avast is cool but useless on linux [03:20] unless your parnoid about windows comps on your networ [03:20] k [03:20] wine app's and winblows shares [03:21] dont run wine in sudo [03:21] thats one step [03:23] I guess [03:23] and 2nd dont run windows :) [03:24] (and 4...and 5...and...) [03:24] http://www.thisweeknews.com/?sec=home&story=sites/twn/content/pool/exclusives/051107-News-Bexley.html [03:33] keep it around case of linux breaking that I manage to do frequently [03:33] and to stay on top of what s new there for relatives and such === ksi [n=josh@205.246.155.30] has joined #xubuntu [03:34] cjae: run "sudo rm -r /" to fix the breaking :) [03:34] dont run it [03:34] yeah i know [03:34] having trouble with screen resolution on 7.04 [03:34] ha...i dont let the relatives NEAR my windows boxes... [03:34] heard about someone doing it [03:35] it would be a good virus with that command plus a password guesser [03:35] Jester45, dont put that kind of command in a support channel... [03:35] there are ppl that might do it thinking that you were talking to them [03:37] i bet there is only 5 people tops lookingat the irc window [03:39] right.... three [03:40] sorry...mi9ssed that...wasnt looking.... [03:40] lol [03:41] their windows boxes [03:42] you got me + vidd + cjae + crimsun + ChanServ [03:42] crimsun allways watches [03:42] and ChanServ is to quite to say anything [03:46] Jester45: BOO [03:46] darn [03:46] one more === hitmanWilly [n=hitmanWi@66-190-176-18.static.jcsn.tn.charter.com] has joined #xubuntu [03:53] Are there advantages to using a non-generic kernel? === darrend_ [n=darren@43-015.adsl.zetnet.co.uk] has joined #xubuntu [03:54] depends on the non-generic kernel. [03:54] -386 works with a wider range of hardware but sacrifices performance. [03:54] aro: yes depending on your cpu you can get a better preforming one [03:54]