[12:26] <TheSheep> you can also hold down shift while deleting in thunar -- then it won't use trash
[12:27] <Jester45> i like to keep things untill i need somespace
[12:27] <TheSheep> rm doesn't use trash -- ever
[12:28] <Jester45> thats why i tried it
[12:28] <Scrape> Argh. My mouse is moving way too fast, but the control center settings won't change it... any thoughts?
[12:28] <Jester45> because it wasnt deleting from trash
[12:28] <Jester45> have bettter reflexes
[12:28] <Scrape> hehe
[12:29] <Scrape> Moving the mouse less than an inch puts it all the way across the screen.
[12:29] <Jester45> is there a 125x cd?
[12:30] <Jester45> my burner says it can burn at 125x i would like to see that
[12:30] <k8dd> 7200 rpm burner?
[12:30] <Jester45> idk
[12:31] <cjae> Jester45, I just broke my xorg.conf and did dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
[12:31] <cjae> Jester45, does this do a fresh reconfigure??
[12:31] <Jester45> yea
[12:31] <cjae> is the wacom thing in everyone??
[12:32] <Jester45> not mine
[12:32] <Jester45> mines a streamlined 300 lines
[12:33] <cjae> I just looked at my xorg and was wondering if ubuntu does the wacom thing by default or if it reloaded a backup
[12:33] <Jester45> it woudnt reload a backup unless you told it to
[12:33] <Jester45> that would defeat the reason to reconfigure
[12:33] <cjae> Jester45, thought so does
[12:34] <cjae> it must be a default thing
[12:34] <cjae> what does -phigh enable
[12:34] <cjae> ??
[12:35] <Jester45> ever used that
[12:36] <cjae> Jester45, and I edited out 15 bit resolution and added some to my tv out and it crashed
[12:36] <h3sp4wn> debconf only ask questions of priority high or critical
[12:36] <q-t> Hey, when i tried to enable the restricted driver manager to use the driver for mye ATI card, xubuntu wouldnt start up again. A big mistake maybe?
[12:36] <Jester45> besides apt
[12:37] <cjae> Jester45, my question is I don't need to have 15 bit for my monitor in there right?? I could just have 1 4 16 and 24 right?
[12:37] <Jester45> just leave it
[12:37] <cjae> ok
[12:38] <Jester45> its not gonna hurt
[12:38] <Jester45> unless you need the diskspace
[12:38] <Jester45> :)
[12:38] <cjae> not at all
[12:38] <Jester45> 1 bit wouldnt that be all white?
[12:39] <Jester45> or all black
[12:39] <h3sp4wn> I think its easier to cut xorg.conf down
[12:39] <cjae> um but can I make it just 640x480, 800x600 and 1024x780 without the other two options like
[12:39] <Jester45> heerrr?
[12:40] <zials> isn't that how it is by default? O.o
[12:40] <cjae> 640x350 and ones like that
[12:40] <h3sp4wn> Ideally I would like it to fit one one screen
[12:40] <h3sp4wn> (it is just a few lines more though)
[12:40] <cjae> Jester45, I am just trying to narrow what I did wrong
[12:41] <cjae> I think tv out can only be 24 bit or was that just an ati thing?
[12:42] <cjae> and can I only have one resolution or one bitrate? for tv out??
[12:42] <Jester45> no it can less
[12:43] <cjae> cause I took out the 15 bit section
[12:43] <Jester45> mine goes from 8bit - 24bit  and 400x300 - 800x600
[12:43] <Jester45> well in windows
[12:43] <Jester45> my cards not supported yet
[12:44] <cjae>  and took out silly resolutions on 640x480, 800x600 and 1024x780
[12:45] <cjae> then I tried to add 800x600 and 640x480 two screen 1 @ 24 bit and boom no more xserver
[12:46] <Jester45> try 640x480 with a smaller bit like 16
[12:46] <cjae> I wanted the other resolutions out for my monitor so when I push ctr +- it only uses 640, 800 and 1024
[12:47] <cjae> I have used 24 1024 on my tv out before just wanted to be able to switch it so I can read it when on the couch
[12:47] <cjae> to 800x600
[12:48] <cjae> I think someone said to me that you can only use one though
[12:48] <cjae> on tv out
[12:48] <Jester45> might wanna check with the ati driver docs
[12:48] <cjae> I have an nvidia
[12:48] <Jester45> what out put? s-video?
[12:48] <Jester45> or nvidia ones
[12:49] <cjae> s video
[12:49] <cjae> you mean dpi
[12:49] <NrbelexUbuntu> How does one change the permission options on multiple files using thunar? I can't even do it as root.
[12:50] <cjae> I gave up on ati awhile ago
[12:50] <Jester45> i love ati
[12:50] <cjae> then tried it again in slackware and should have just punched myself instead
[12:52] <cjae> I don't like either both of their new drivers in windows suck major ------ fill your own blank
[12:52] <Jester45> it would be nice if xorg could detect dual cards
[12:52] <Jester45> and ask if you want to enable output on them
[12:53] <cjae> they are so big that they substantially slow my p4 512mb box down
[12:54] <Jester45> i like rovclock
[12:55] <Jester45> i took out an old card and rovcloked the core to 600mhz
[12:55] <Jester45> didnt even display anything
[12:57] <cjae> I reverted my ati in another box to the old 5.10 catalyst
[12:58] <cjae> and the new super idiot control center driver of m$ my makes my tv flicker and sound snap
[12:59] <cjae> and takes like 2 minutes to load (well not quite)
[01:00] <cjae> of > for
[01:01] <cjae> oh and it should say nvidia
[01:01] <cjae> I need some quality sleep
[01:03] <q-t> If your xserver doesnt work, how do you boot straight into 'just the terminal' ??
[01:04] <cjae> are you at the end of the boot message
[01:05] <cjae> Jester45, that didn't break anything??
[01:06] <q-t> cjae: me?
[01:06] <cjae> q-t y
[01:07] <cjae> q-t, sorry I mean yes cat pulled kb
[01:07] <q-t> ehm not now, but Im doing stuff that always ends up with me not getting into the xserver, it stalls in different places. And I was wondering if someone knew a way to boot without getting into X. I`ve only gotten there by accident before:P
[01:07] <q-t> just typing alot ;P
[01:08] <q-t> its the damn ati card
[01:08] <h3sp4wn> you can stop {k,g,x}dm from running
[01:09] <q-t> how do I do that without entering x?
[01:09] <h3sp4wn> select recovery mode
[01:09] <q-t> so I can configure xorg.conf and so on....
[01:09] <q-t> ok
[01:09] <q-t> I dont get prompted for anything, it just boots in
[01:09] <h3sp4wn> (that should be without x anyway)
[01:09] <h3sp4wn> update-rc.d -f remove gdm
[01:10] <q-t> h3sp4wn: what is that?
[01:10] <h3sp4wn> man update-rc.d
[01:10] <q-t> ok
[01:12] <q-t> it will make my linux not boot into xserver untill i type startx....?
[01:15] <h3sp4wn> yes
[01:15] <q-t> thnx:)
[01:16] <q-t> im reading the man now, im just not very used to all these new commands. Havent used linux that long:)
[01:16] <q-t> Havent the first clue what to do when things go wrong:P
[01:20] <h3sp4wn> update-rc.d -f gdm remove (I got it the wrong way round)
[01:20] <h3sp4wn> you can put back with - update-rc.d gdm defaults
[01:29] <q-t> ok
[01:29] <q-t> Im gonna do that after I re-install xubuntu on my laptop
[01:32] <q-t> ehm, it isnt 'update-rc.d -f xfce remove' or something in xubuntu, instead of gmd??
[01:32] <q-t> afraid I dont understand if gnome and xfce are totally seperate
[01:40] <Pumpernickel> Xubuntu uses gdm.
[01:41] <q-t> thought it used xfce
[01:41] <Pumpernickel> It does.
[01:42] <q-t> okay, so xfce is a function on gnome?
[01:42] <q-t> or gdm
[01:42] <Pumpernickel> No, xfce is a separate desktop environment.
[01:42] <TheSheep> q-t: both gnome and xfce are relly just a set of many applications
[01:43] <q-t> i c
[01:43] <TheSheep> q-t: xfce doesn't have its own desktop manager, so we use gnome's
[01:43] <TheSheep> q-t: because it doesn't use too much parts from gnome
[01:43] <TheSheep> s/we/xubuntu
[01:43] <TheSheep> sorry
[01:43] <brianw> it only uses gdm really
[01:45] <Pumpernickel> GDM is just the display manager.  It manages setting up a graphical prompt from which a user can start a desktop session.
[01:46] <cjae> Jester45, the wacom part must be needed
[01:46] <TheSheep> cjae: why?
[01:46] <cjae> cause it s the only part I deleted again it d\broke the server
[01:47] <TheSheep> cjae: aaah, you need to remove the wacom parts form the servelayout section too
[01:47] <q-t> So xfce isnt a desktop manager
[01:47] <TheSheep> cjae: sorry, forgot about that
[01:47] <TheSheep> q-t: display manager
[01:47] <q-t> aaaah, i c
[01:47] <cjae> ill try
[01:47] <Pumpernickel> q-t: You're mixing your terms.
[01:47] <q-t> so xubuntu is running xfce as display manager and gnome as desktop manager...
[01:47] <q-t> right ?:P
[01:47] <Pumpernickel> Nope. :)
[01:48] <TheSheep> Pumpernickel: that was me, sorry
[01:48] <q-t> hehe
[01:48] <q-t> okay
[01:48] <q-t> hmmmm
[01:48] <Pumpernickel> GDM is just the login portion.
[01:48] <Pumpernickel> From there, xfwm4 is the window manager, and the various parts of the desktop environment are all provided by parts of xfce.
[01:48] <q-t> I wish I had a friend that knew linux from the inside out, so someone could show me in person the basics + +
[01:49] <Pumpernickel> e.g, the panels, menus, desktop background + icons, etc.
[01:49] <q-t> okay, so gnome logs you into the xserver, and then xfce takes over....
[01:49] <Pumpernickel> No, GDM, does that.
[01:49] <q-t> argh
[01:49] <q-t> :P
[01:49] <TheSheep> q-t: that message about starting GNOME is just wrong
[01:50] <TheSheep> I think I'm going to file a bug
[01:50] <brianw> gdm is the only part of gnome involved
[01:50] <q-t> TheSheep: ok
[01:50] <brianw> if you have gnome services, you can use the session manager to start gnome services on login
[01:50] <brianw> like if you install gnome-keyring-manager or something
[01:51] <q-t> ok
[01:51] <cjae_> you mean "CorePointer" and "Corekeyboard"
[01:51] <cjae_> TheSheep,
[01:52] <TheSheep> cjae_: no, the other ones
[01:52] <TheSheep> cjae_: I don't have an xorg.cong handy
[01:52] <TheSheep> conf
[01:52] <q-t> When I use the 'https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI' explanation for installing ATI drivers on xubuntu, the 6.10 (Edgy) explanation. This is better than just adding the driver to the restricted driver manager, or is it just the same???
[01:52] <cjae_> I am going to pastebin both conf k
[01:52] <cjae_> confs
[01:53] <TheSheep> q-t: depends
[01:53] <cjae_> Is nt the restricted 96xx driver?
[01:54] <q-t> cjae_: yes:P
[01:54] <cjae_> and the edgy way 8xxx
[01:54] <TheSheep> q-t: you get newver driver, but it's not tested so well and supported by ubuntu team
[01:54] <cjae_> it seemed to be stable with beryl installed
[01:55] <q-t> TheSheep: Ok, because I have had nothing but trouble with that graph card....ati mobility radeon 9600
[01:55] <cjae_> I think the old driver is a little old
[01:55] <q-t> I was wondering about tuning down the graphics, running it simple or something
[01:57] <q-t> cjae_: it said that if the feisty 7.04 way didnt work you should try the edgy way....
[02:00] <unikon> anyone know how to install pidgin 2.0 NOT pidgin beta
[02:04] <cjae> ok I have almost destroyed my desktop
[02:04] <cjae> here is the one that works http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/20557/
[02:05] <cjae> and the one that doesn't http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/20558/
[02:06] <cjae> TheSheep,
[02:06] <cjae> Jester45,
[02:13] <cjae> hi
[02:16] <TheSheep> cjae: looks good
[02:16] <cjae> doesn't work
[02:16] <TheSheep> cjae: what's the error?
[02:16] <cjae> trying again hang on
[02:17] <cjae> the whole server is broke would you like to see ... but I selected no and got thrown to $
[02:17] <cjae> will try again think I saw typo
[02:18] <TheSheep> cjae: you have one EndSection toot many in line 60
[02:18] <cjae> think so
[02:18] <TheSheep> good luck
[02:21] <cjae> should I have this sorry for no pastebin desktop is whack
[02:21] <cjae> Section "ServerLayout"
[02:21] <cjae>    Identifier  "Simple Layout"
[02:21] <cjae>        Screen 0 "Screen[0] "
[02:21] <cjae>        Screen 1 "Screen[1] " RightOf "Screen[0] "
[02:21] <cjae>    InputDevice "Configured Mouse" "CorePointer"
[02:21] <cjae>    InputDevice "Generic Keyboard" "CoreKeyboard"
[02:22] <cjae> EndSection
[02:22] <cjae> TheSheep,
[02:22] <cjae> the core pointer part
[02:22] <cjae> and kb
[02:24] <ouz> i have a xubuntu display question
[02:25] <ouz> the top task bar - Applications has disappeared, what is the best way to get it back?
[02:27] <zials> x.x
[02:28] <zials> right click on an empty spot on the top task bar
[02:28] <zials> and select "Add new item"
[02:28] <ouz> there is no top task bar, that is what disappeared
[02:28] <zials> a new window should open, scroll all the way down and pick the "XFCE menu"
[02:28] <zials> O.o
[02:31] <zials> well, do you want to restore the bar or just access the applications menu?
[02:31] <unikon> how can i upgrade from 6.06 to 7.04 Xubuntu
[02:32] <unikon> zials my applications tab is missing as well
[02:32] <zials> is it the whole bar or just the tab?
[02:32] <ouz> i am able to access the applications menu now by right clicking the desktop
[02:33] <ouz> i enabled it through desktop settings
[02:33] <ouz> i would like to know how to restore the bar though
[02:33] <zials> well, if you want to add a new panel
[02:33] <zials> theres a pannel on the bottom right?
[02:34] <zials> right click it and select "Customize panel"
[02:34] <Jester45> unikon: you have to upgrade from 6.06 to 6.10 to 7.04
[02:34] <Jester45> !upgrade
[02:34] <ubotu> For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[02:35] <unikon> jester45, ubotu if i upgrade will all my settings and logs remain unchanged
[02:35] <Jester45> yes
[02:36] <unikon> thanks
[02:36] <Jester45> but... upgrading can cause trobles
[02:36] <unikon> how so
[02:36] <Jester45> diffrent things go wrong
[02:36] <unikon> so its best to do a fresh install with the latest  version
[02:37] <Jester45> it is best to use apt-get dist-upgrade from a ttyl(alt + ctrl + F1) and kill the xserver while upgrading
[02:37] <ouz> to get the entire panel or taskbar back i used this command "xfce4-panel &"
[02:37] <Jester45> ouz: yes you dont have to put the &
[02:38] <Jester45> ouz: unless your in a terminal
[02:38] <ouz> i was in a terminal and wanted it in the background
[02:38] <ouz> guess i need to make sure i save settings on exit to keep panel
[02:39] <Jester45> unikon: its safer to do a fresh install, you can burn things you need to a cd and do a dist-upgrade and if it breaks something then do a fresh install and use the cd to restore things
[02:39] <Jester45> ouz: or add it to the auto  started applications
[02:41] <unikon> jester45 have you by chance installed pidgin 2.0 yet NOT  the beta?
[02:42] <Jester45> nope
[02:42] <Jester45> is that the firefox like music player?
[02:42] <unikon> ahh
[02:42] <ouz> thanks, did not know about the autostarted applications
[02:43] <unikon>  how long do you think ittakes from product release to availability on synaptic?
[02:43] <unikon> pidgin new version of gaim
[02:43] <pRrp> i installed it.
[02:43] <Jester45> o yea
[02:44] <pRrp> it seems the same to me.. just diff look.. to avoid their copyright troubles on the logo/name
[02:44] <unikon> prrp did you install from source
[02:44] <Jester45> its in synaptic i think it just under the name of gaim so people know what it is
[02:44] <pRrp> i think so.. holdon.. lemme see
[02:44] <pRrp> it was either source or a .deb
[02:45] <Jester45> ok its not just renamed in the repos
[02:45] <Jester45> it depends on the maintaners activity on it and how many people wnat it
[02:46] <pRrp> is there a deb on the pidgin site unikon?
[02:46] <Jester45> no there isnt
[02:46] <pRrp> then i used the src i guess
[02:46] <pRrp> can't remember.. it was only 3 days ago or so too.. how sad.
[02:47] <unikon> just the source in tar.bz2
[02:47] <pRrp> yeah. i remember that
[02:47] <pRrp> i did compile it.
[02:48] <Jester45> i will make one if you want
[02:48] <unikon> pRrp it may sound weird but is it easy to compile
[02:48] <pRrp> yeah, if you have errors and dont know what to apt-get to remedy it just ask
[02:48] <Jester45> and just so you know its only in beta stage even tho the version is 2.0
[02:49] <Jester45> hold on a min
[02:49] <unikon> pidgin isnt available in apt-get and the guys in pidgin are saying that 2.0 IS out
[02:49] <Jester45> i allmost got the deb done
[02:50] <pRrp> yeah i know unikon
[02:50] <Jester45> 2.0 IS out but it IS STILL BETA
[02:50] <pRrp> im saying get the tar.bz2 and uncompress it.. attempt to compile
[02:50] <pRrp> and if it wont.. i can help you get it to
[02:50] <unikon> i installed perfectly on xp
[02:50] <pRrp> it's a learning process
[02:50] <pRrp> it works fine. :)
[02:50] <unikon> cool
[02:51] <Jester45> unikon: ok i have the .deb do you want me to try to send it to you?
[02:51] <unikon> please
[02:52] <Jester45> its i386
[02:52] <ferret_0567> Does anybody know how to use Nautilus with XFCE?
[02:52] <unikon> i see
[02:52] <Jester45> ferret install it and run it?
[02:53] <ferret_0567> nvm
[02:53] <pRrp> what's nautilus.. a newsreader?
[02:53] <crimsun> it's gnome's default file manager.
[02:53] <Jester45> file manager
[02:53] <pRrp> ah
[02:53] <ferret_0567> I think I know...just gotta disable xf4desktop from running, and make a startup script
[02:53] <Jester45> dang crimsun you just jump in a beat me
[02:54] <pRrp> i'm kde / fluxbox / xfce .. mostly
[02:54] <pRrp> i always have shitty computers
[02:54] <pRrp> ;)
[02:54] <ferret_0567> fluxbox? Try openbox
[02:54] <pRrp> cool. im using xf on here right now
[02:55] <pRrp> openbox better?
[02:55] <ferret_0567> yes
[02:55] <pRrp> less resources?
[02:55] <ouz> quit
[02:55] <ouz> exit
[02:55] <Jester45> unikon: is it going
[02:55] <ferret_0567> I'm not so sure about that
[02:55] <ferret_0567> Maybe a bit more...nothing much
[02:55] <unikon> its trying to
[02:55] <pRrp> word. this laptop is shitty.
[02:55] <ferret_0567> Or a bit less...
[02:55] <pRrp> i have 128mb ram. 550Mhz processor
[02:56] <unikon> prrp lolv im running Xubuntu on a 650mhz desktop w/192 ram
[02:56] <pRrp> but at least i can browse.. listen to mp3s.. stream vids.. etc.
[02:56] <unikon> lol*
[02:56] <pRrp> unikon; works good too huh
[02:56] <unikon> yep
[02:56] <pRrp> i'd smash this laptop if i had to run xp on it
[02:56] <unikon> but i bet others are using slower pc's than me
[02:57] <ferret_0567> I'd smash mine too, and it's not slow
[02:57] <pRrp> i thought about gentoo.. cause i had that on my old laptop and loved it.. but i didnt wanna spend a year compiling everything so i tried xubuntu..
[02:57] <Jester45> unikon: here -> http://rapidshare.com/files/28813389/pidgin_2.0.0beta7-1_i386.deb.html
[02:57] <unikon> pRrp win2k would work good on your lappy
[02:57] <Jester45> no no. 95
[02:58] <ferret_0567> Win 98
[02:58] <pRrp> word.. no thanks ahha
[02:58] <Jester45> 95 would run fast but you have the possiblity of crashing by pressing the start bar
[02:58] <ferret_0567> lol
[02:58] <pRrp> win 98se was on this thing when i got it.. only 64mb ram too.. i had an old compaq laptop i gutted a chip from and a harddrive to replace the dead one in here
[02:58] <pRrp> so im rockn out with 128mb ram and xubuntu on a 6gb hdd
[02:59] <Jester45> i still like notepad for simple html (98 version of notepad)
[02:59] <unikon> notepad was VERY usefull IMO
[03:00] <unikon> jester45 how long will that rapidshare page be up
[03:01] <unikon>  ill have to go there  later tonight
[03:01] <pRrp> damn. my balls got stank quick. i just showered like a day ago
[03:02] <pRrp> sorry.. wrong chan.. that was meant for #letstalkaboutthehygeineofourballs.. or something :/
[03:02] <Jester45> for at least  of 90 days
[03:02] <unikon> cool
[03:03] <unikon>   for rapidshare whats the largest file size allowed
[03:03] <Jester45> not sure
[03:04] <Jester45> well none if you use split archives
[03:04] <Jester45> but its 100mb
[03:04] <Jester45> no its 300
[03:10] <Jester45> hey vidd
[03:10] <Jester45> you can remove me from ssh if you want im not gonna be using it
[03:14] <cjae> yea
[03:14] <cjae> works
[03:14] <cjae> thanks to all that helped
[03:15] <Jester45> what working
[03:15] <cjae> xserver again
[03:15] <Jester45> o
[03:15] <cjae> gonna try mouse now
[03:15] <cjae> and the screen 1 desktop
[03:15] <cjae> Jester45, thanks
[03:16] <cjae> Jester45, can  get more resolutions on the tv out? more than one?
[03:17] <Jester45> the tv can
[03:18] <Jester45> and your card most likley can , its up to the driver
[03:18] <Jester45> give it a new res and if it dies
[03:18] <Jester45> run sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf and remove it
[03:18] <cjae> gonna try
[03:19] <cjae> anyone else tried avast for linux
[03:19] <cjae> ??
[03:19] <cjae> it 's freakin sweet
[03:19] <cjae> does it have a dl daemon
[03:19] <Jester45> avast is cool but useless on linux
[03:20] <Jester45> unless your parnoid about windows comps on your networ
[03:20] <Jester45> k
[03:20] <cjae> wine app's and winblows shares
[03:21] <Jester45> dont run wine in sudo
[03:21] <Jester45> thats one step
[03:23] <cjae> I guess
[03:23] <Jester45> and 2nd dont run windows :)
[03:24] <vidd> (and 4...and 5...and...)
[03:24] <unikon> http://www.thisweeknews.com/?sec=home&story=sites/twn/content/pool/exclusives/051107-News-Bexley.html
[03:33] <cjae> keep it around case of linux breaking that I manage to do frequently
[03:33] <cjae> and to stay on top of what s new there for relatives and such
[03:34] <Jester45> cjae: run "sudo rm -r /" to fix the breaking :)
[03:34] <Jester45> dont run it
[03:34] <cjae> yeah i know
[03:34] <ksi> having trouble with screen resolution on 7.04
[03:34] <vidd> ha...i dont let the relatives NEAR my windows boxes...
[03:34] <cjae> heard about someone doing it
[03:35] <Jester45> it would be a good virus with that command plus a password guesser
[03:35] <vidd> Jester45, dont put that kind of command in a support channel...
[03:35] <vidd> there are ppl that might do it thinking that you were talking to them
[03:37] <Jester45> i bet there is only 5 people tops lookingat the irc window
[03:39] <cjae> right.... three
[03:40] <vidd> sorry...mi9ssed that...wasnt looking....
[03:40] <vidd> lol
[03:41] <cjae> their windows boxes
[03:42] <Jester45> you got me + vidd + cjae + crimsun + ChanServ
[03:42] <Jester45> crimsun allways watches
[03:42] <Jester45> and ChanServ is to quite to say anything
[03:46] <tonyyarusso> Jester45: BOO
[03:46] <Jester45> darn
[03:46] <Jester45> one more
[03:53] <aro> Are there advantages to using a non-generic kernel?
[03:54] <crimsun> depends on the non-generic kernel.
[03:54] <crimsun> -386 works with a wider range of hardware but sacrifices performance.
[03:54] <Jester45> aro: yes depending on your cpu you can get a better preforming one
[03:54] <crimsun> -lowlatency works with a smaller subset of hardware but has better responsiveness for desktop apps.
[03:55] <crimsun> -server* are better tuned for i/o transactions but sacrifice interactivity.
[03:55] <aro> Thanks, sounds like something I should probably read up on
[03:56] <ksi> can anyone help me find/install radeon x200m drivers
[04:39] <Jester45> im trying to link the directory /home/ryan/Desktop/Media to /var/www/Media but i get this error
[04:39] <Jester45> ln: creating hard link `/home/ryan/Desktop/Media' to `/var/www/Media': Invalid cross-device link
[04:39] <Jester45> what does that mean
[04:40] <Jester45> or better yet
[04:40] <Jester45> how do you fix it
[04:41] <hitmanWilly> Jester45: try a symlink
[04:41] <hitmanWilly> Jester45: ie ln -s
[04:41] <Jester45> ok i will try
[04:44] <Jester45> does apache not fallow symlink by defualt?
[04:45] <hitmanWilly> Jester45: don't know much about apache...
[04:45] <Jester45> i will just search the conf for symlink
[04:45] <hitmanWilly> good idea
[04:46] <Jester45> symlink and symbolic link didnt work
[04:46] <hitmanWilly> did it link them?
[04:46] <Jester45> in thunar yes
[04:46] <hitmanWilly> or is apache just not seeing them?
[04:46] <Jester45> thunar sees it links
[04:47] <Jester45> apache probly doesnt follow the link
[04:47] <hitmanWilly> that would be my guess as well
[04:47] <hitmanWilly> you can symlink just about anything
[04:51] <Jester45> what about null to /
[04:51] <Jester45> that would get jumbed up quick
[04:56] <Jester45> ftp also works
[04:57] <ToHellWithGA> Jester45: hacker
[04:57] <ToHellWithGA> why are you in my computer?
[04:57] <ToHellWithGA> /home/ryan is mine
[04:58] <ToHellWithGA> Jester45: i have apache symlinked and it works fine
[04:58] <ToHellWithGA> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 32 2007-04-04 20:48 /var/www/files/Packages.txt -> /home/ryan/settings/Packages.txt
[04:59] <ToHellWithGA> i reckon if you can symlink files you can symlink directories as well
[04:59] <hitmanWilly> yes, dir symlinks work well
[05:00] <hitmanWilly> and /dev/null to / would be quite funny
[05:00] <ToHellWithGA> i wonder why homeboy was having problems with that
[05:00] <ToHellWithGA> what happens if you symlink to /dev/null?
[05:01] <hitmanWilly> it wouldn't work normally cuz / would read as already existing
[05:01] <hitmanWilly> but links to null work just like any other link
[05:02] <ToHellWithGA> i'm thoroughly impressed with the battery performance of this 8 year old laptop
[05:02] <ToHellWithGA> i got the thing to run roughly 2 hours from 90% to 10% battery reading
[05:02] <hitmanWilly> not bad
[05:02] <ToHellWithGA> lots less power is used when there is no networking :)
[05:02] <ToHellWithGA> s/lots/much/
[05:02] <ToHellWithGA> it has no ethernet/wireless, and its modem isn't found by ubuntu
[05:03] <hitmanWilly> softmodem probably
[05:03] <ToHellWithGA> i kinda wish i could update it some way other than using usb stick/hdd
[05:03] <cjae> why do ppl s/
[05:03] <ToHellWithGA> but it is ok
[05:03] <ToHellWithGA> cjae: regular expression
[05:03] <hitmanWilly> bash hacker thing
[05:03] <cjae> what does it mean
[05:03] <cjae> ahh
[05:03] <ToHellWithGA> s/this/that/ changes the first instance of "this" to "that" in several programs
[05:03] <ToHellWithGA> s/this/that/g changes all instances
[05:04] <ToHellWithGA> it is fun
[05:04] <ToHellWithGA> s/fun/your mom/
[05:04] <hitmanWilly> lol
[05:04] <cjae> I am told she was fun
[05:04] <cjae> back in the day
[05:05] <cjae> !info too much
[05:05] <ToHellWithGA> i haven't made "your mom" jokes in forever and suddenly two of my coworkers, both approaching 30 years old, make them all the time
[05:05] <ubotu> Package too does not exist in feisty
[05:05] <cjae> sorry not really dennis leary
[05:05] <hitmanWilly> !toomuchinfo
[05:05] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about toomuchinfo - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:06] <hitmanWilly> oh well...
[05:06] <hitmanWilly> !bug #1
[05:06] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 1 in Ubuntu "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Critical,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/1
[05:07] <hitmanWilly> hellooooo netsplit
[06:11] <cjae> ok was trying to setup a logitech mx700 cordless optical mouse
[06:12] <Jester45> have fun
[06:12] <cjae> here is what I put in and I commented out the other mouse info
[06:12] <cjae> not at all pullin hair
[06:12] <cjae> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/20578/
[06:13] <emdash> waaaah! i miss linux
[06:13] <emdash> i've outgrown os x
[06:13] <cjae> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=65471 this is what  was following
[06:13] <cjae> crashed my xserver luckily could just uncomment
[06:14] <cjae> is evdev in xubuntu actually isn't it in the kernel?
[06:15] <emdash> evdev is a kernel module
[06:16] <emdash> and as such, isn't really "in" the distribution so much as it is part of the kernel
[06:16] <cjae> it is in the xubuntu 7.04 right
[06:16] <cjae> or must I load it
[06:17] <cjae> I thought it was there as of edgy or dapper emdash
[06:18] <emdash> do you know how to use modutils? (modprobe, lsmod, rmmod?)
[06:18] <cjae> /lib/modules/2.6.20-15-generic/kernel/drivers/input/evdev.ko
[06:18] <emdash> whenever i want to know if i have a kernel module loaded i used lsmod
[06:19] <emdash> that lists all the kernel modules
[06:19] <emdash> that are LOADED
[06:19] <cjae> is loaded
[06:20] <emdash> you see it in the output of lsmod?
[06:20] <cjae> yes
[06:20] <cjae> has a size and everything
[06:20] <emdash> hint: you can pipe it to less if you have many lines of output
[06:20] <cjae> just scrolled
[06:20] <cjae> but thanks
[06:21] <cjae> had some success @ slackware but is much different than ubuntu
[06:21] <cjae> have read the entire slackware essentials
[06:21] <emdash> ubuntu is typically far less work
[06:21] <cjae> yes
[06:21] <emdash> the package maintainers do the hard stuff that you would have to do with slackware yourself
[06:22] <emdash> anyways
[06:22] <cjae> right
[06:22] <emdash> i can't really help you without some output from your crashed x-server
[06:22] <cjae> I know about insmod
[06:22] <emdash> don't use insmod (deprecated)
[06:22] <emdash> modprobe!
[06:22] <cjae> right as it solves dependancies
[06:23] <cjae> my problem is typing and syntax
[06:23] <emdash> how do you start X11? do you use startx?
[06:23] <emdash> or do you use GDM or KDM?
[06:23] <cjae> want the xorg log??
[06:23] <Jester46> yes
[06:23] <cjae> gdm
[06:23] <Jester46> startx :0
[06:23] <emdash> well it's not the same thing...
[06:24] <cjae> who emdash
[06:24] <Jester46> it doent matter gdm will help log you in
[06:24] <emdash> yeah, i forget where that is
[06:24] <emdash> which is sad, because i use gdm too
[06:24] <cjae> I am lost who is talking to me or not
[06:25] <emdash> we are both talking to you, and to each other
[06:25] <cjae> ahh
[06:25] <Jester46> i will shut up
[06:25] <cjae> want the xorg log??
[06:25] <emdash> yes
[06:25] <cjae> where is again
[06:25] <emdash> pry /var/log/...
[06:26] <emdash> i don't know off-hand, and am not running linux currently so i can't find out
[06:26] <emdash> but usually logs end up in /var/log
[06:26] <emdash> if we can't find it we'll just disable gdm temporarily
[06:26] <cjae> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/20579/
[06:28] <cjae> I have a receiver that does both wireless keyboard and mouse
[06:28] <emdash> hm
[06:28] <emdash> i'm somewhat confused
[06:28] <emdash> could you also paste your xorg.conf file
[06:28] <cjae> and I have a generic keyboard at ps/2
[06:28] <emdash> it appears that the mouse configured properly
[06:29] <emdash> oh
[06:29] <emdash> hm
[06:29] <cjae> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/20580/
[06:30] <cjae> that is xorg
[06:30] <cjae> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/20578/ this is what I changed in xorg.conf
[06:31] <cjae> and it crashed the server so I commented it out and uncommented  the normal mouse
[06:32] <emdash> oh
[06:32] <emdash> okay
[06:32] <emdash> i need to see the crash log
[06:32] <emdash> the log i'm looking at doesn't have any errors in it
[06:32] <cjae> I have to logitech entries when I check /proc/bus/input/devices
[06:33] <cjae> that should say two
[06:33] <emdash> gotcha
[06:33] <emdash> do you do much programming, cjae?
[06:33] <cjae> absolutely none
[06:33] <emdash> okay never mind
[06:33] <emdash> what i was going to say won't help you
[06:33] <cjae> starting to read c++ for dummies lol
[06:34] <emdash> typically programs that read config files don't do a very good job of finding errors
[06:34] <emdash> so you have to infer what the syntax error was by looking at the error output
[06:35] <emdash> typically when X fails to load because of a config file error, the last line says something like "no screens found"
[06:36] <cjae> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/20581/ is xorg.0.log.old
[06:37] <emdash> here's a clue:
[06:37] <emdash>  10 Out Of 10 Democrats Hate Freedom
[06:37] <emdash> San Francisco, California - A new poll has shown conclusively that Democrats, Independents, Libertarians and Green Party voters hate freedom.
[06:37] <emdash> oops
[06:37] <emdash> that is totally not what i meant to paste
[06:37] <emdash> Parse error on line 51 of section InputDevice in file /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[06:40] <cjae> lost still
[06:41] <cjae> emdash,
[06:41] <emdash> sorry, i pasted the wrong thing
[06:41] <emdash> but the answer is staring you right in the face
[06:41] <emdash> the error log indicates a syntax error on line 51 of the config file
[06:45] <emdash> although i admit i'm at a loss to see the error
[06:45] <cjae> what editor opens (besides vi or emacs) telling you what line you are on
[06:45] <emdash> got me
[06:45] <emdash> i juse vim
[06:45] <emdash> *use
[06:45] <emdash> i think gedit will, if you turn it on
[06:45] <emdash> plus i've seen newer versions of it do syntax hilighting
[06:45] <skyde> does xfce need less memory thant kde
[06:46] <emdash> it appears that line 51 i the line that says
[06:46] <skyde> i only have 64mb of memory
[06:46] <hitmanWilly> emdash: a LOT less
[06:46] <emdash> Identifier "Configured Mouse"
[06:46] <hitmanWilly> err, skydash
[06:47] <cjae> is gedit on xubuntu?
[06:47] <hitmanWilly> anyway, xfce uses a lot less memory than most other desktops
[06:48] <cjae> skyde, use xubuntu or xfce you'l never look back
[06:48] <cjae> emdash, what is wrong with the line
[06:49] <skyde> what about
[06:49] <skyde> Fluxbuntu
[06:49] <cjae> Don't know but I think xubuntu has more support
[06:49] <emdash> skyde: you'll have to ask them
[06:50] <emdash> skyde: the question is: do you like fluxbox? do you like xfce?
[06:50] <emdash> you'll never know until you try
[06:51] <emdash> cjae: i don't really see anything wrong. i suggest you try it again, and pay special attention to how you comment out the lines
[06:51] <emdash> if the xserver crashes again, paste the log and the xorg.conf file that produced the error
[06:51] <cjae> ok
[06:52] <cjae> like arnold says .....
[06:58] <emdash> oh well, starbucks is closing
[06:58] <emdash> have to go soon
[07:13] <dsmith_> how many ppl actually are using xubuntu?
[07:15] <cjae> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/20587/ emdash
[07:15] <cjae> me
[07:18] <cjae> emdash, uanvle to initialize the xInt10 module: the console may not be restored correctly to you tv
[07:18] <cjae> that should say unable
[07:18] <cjae> emdash, unknown protocol "evdev"
[07:22] <cjae> Preinit failed for input device  failed to initialize core devices screen 0 shares mem & I/O resources screen 1 shares mem & I/0 resources
[07:24] <cjae> emdash, you there??
[07:37] <cjae> anybody ??
[07:38] <kalikiana> !anybody
[07:38] <ubotu> A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?
[07:39] <cjae> already asked my question just wondering if anyone followed along
[07:39] <cjae> kalikiana, that was directed to me??
[07:40] <kalikiana> cjae, To me it was not clear that/ what you were asking. Maybe you should clarify that and have some patience.
[07:42] <cjae> kalikiana, I had an xserver crash and was being helped with it before I restarted X
[07:43] <cjae> kalikiana, sorry
[07:44] <kalikiana> cjae, Ah, ok. I just wanted to hint you that this was not obvious to everyone.
[07:44] <cjae> ok
[07:47] <BFTD> what the heck? Do they not make motherboards with 5 PCI slots anymore?
[08:00] <crabgrass> help, my panels are gone and i dont know how to get them back
[08:01] <crabgrass> clicking on "panel" in the settings manager gets me nowhere
[08:03] <crabgrass> and if i run xfce4-panel in term, it dies again after a few seconds
[08:04] <crabgrass> okay, can anyone tell me where the panel configs are stored?
[08:43] <Z0DIAK> I'm trying to backup my CD audio collection with the flac format, can anyone recommend a good flac encoder?
[08:44] <crimsun> um, well, the reference implementation is good...
[08:45] <crimsun> did you really mean to ask something else?
[08:46] <Z0DIAK> I'm confused ... I'm a total n00b, I just was wondering if there was a good point and click encoder for flac
[08:46] <cjae> is there an updated way to enable all buttons in mx700 duo mouse (keyboard and mouse)
[08:47] <cjae> there is like 5 different ways in the ubuntu forums none are the same or for feisty
[08:48] <cjae> I have tried a lot of things nothing?
[08:49] <cjae> can even get xserver to load after editing xorg.conf
[08:49] <cjae> is there an issue with evdev in feisty??
[09:05] <blkcamarozr28> Is there any problems upgrading via YUM from 6.10 to ver 7?
[09:07] <crimsun> ...via YUM?
[09:07] <crimsun> what the...
[09:07] <crimsun> why would you use YUM (for RPMS) to update a dpkg-based distro?
[09:15] <blkcamarozr28> whoops...i mean apt-get
[09:16] <crimsun> using apt-get?  I didn't encounter any.
[09:46] <cjae> hello all
[09:51] <kalikiana_> hi cjae
[09:53] <cjae> anyone know what the file that directs how my wm acts
[10:03] <Gerro> how can I get xubuntu to do /sbin/ipw3945 as root during bootup yet before wifi radar starts
[10:13] <brianw> Gerro: when the module loads, it should start the deamon
[10:13] <brianw> Gerro: that being said, wifi-radar sucks
[10:14] <brianw> Gerro: you may want to use networkmanager
[10:16] <Gerro> the module doesn't start the daemon
[10:17] <Gerro> and I might try both out some see how it goes
[10:17] <Gerro> I forget which is which
[10:17] <brianw> wifi-radar does not support wpa at all
[10:18] <brianw> so it is pretty much useless if you ask me
[10:18] <brianw> The only box I have an intel 3945 card is on my gentoo laptop. And on that, when the module gets loaded, it starts the ipw3945d
[10:19] <Gerro> already marked deleted before aboyousif joined :)
[10:19] <Gerro> well mine loads the module but doesn't start the daemon
[10:19] <brianw> hmmn
[10:19] <brianw> Well I doubt the ubuntu folks overlooked it.
[10:19] <brianw> There must be an init if nothing else
[10:20] <brianw> did you go into the services gui?
[10:21] <Gerro> do you have ipw3945 listed under services perhaps?
[10:21] <Gerro> well restricted modules screw my graphics so I copied ipw3945d and named it so I could remove restricted modules and use wireless
[10:21] <Gerro> why is it even marked under restricted!?
[10:21] <Gerro> yeah
[10:21] <Gerro> can I custom add services some how?
[10:21] <Myrtti> brianw: say what?
[10:21] <Myrtti> it does support wpa
[10:22] <Gerro> wifi radar does?
[10:22] <Gerro> okay then
[10:22] <Myrtti> yes.
[10:22] <Myrtti> atleast my madwifi works 100% with it
[10:22] <Myrtti> better than network manager
[10:23] <brianw> Myrtti: it does now?
[10:23] <brianw> Myrtti: as of ~6 months ago it did not
[10:23] <Myrtti> in feisty yes
[10:24] <Gerro> think there was some reason people liked to use network manager something about system tray or such
[10:24] <Myrtti> I was so happy to be able to ditch NM away
[10:24] <brianw> yeah nm and madwifi do not work too good
[10:24] <brianw> nm and ipw3945 works fine though
[10:25] <brianw> that being said, wifi-radar may be a better choice now that it supports wpa
[10:25] <Myrtti> but I'm off, I'm on gprs dialup now
[10:25] <Gerro> I like kismet for when I'm in text mode
[10:25] <brianw> I just use wpa_supplicant myself
[02:48] <h3sp4wn> Myrtti: If madwifi works 100% with wifi radar - then does it support all features of madwifi (i.e vif's , ap mode, wds) ?
[03:54] <dondong> hi,all
[04:06] <Daemonik> I've just installed xubuntu on an AMD Duron 1600+ with 768m of RAM. Firefox starts fine. But when I close Firefox then try to start it up again it segfaults. Only apparent remedy is to restart the machine. Why would this happen?
[04:13] <pleia2> Daemonik: it might be that it thinks it's closing uncleanly and tries to save a sessionstore.js (in ~/.mozilla/firefox/randomlettersnumbers/sessionstore.js) and when it tries to relaunch it somehow can't read this file and fails
[04:14] <pleia2> so when it breaks, you might want to look and see if the sessionstore.js exists, and delete it
[04:14] <Daemonik> Will do
[04:21] <xjkx> Ubuntu, Kubuntu and Xubuntu LOGOS are free to put anywhere, right? Please don't answer if you ain't sure
[04:25] <Jester45> im going to start installing non-generic kernals. but i dont know what a cerlron (pentium 2) would use
[04:33] <Daemonik> xjkx, If you sell a system with Ubuntu pre-installed you can put a Ubuntu logo on the case or on your website like system76 does.
[04:34] <Pumpernickel> xjkx: http://www.ubuntu.com/aboutus/trademarkpolicy
[05:00] <Gerro> tried installing beryl on xubuntu but I used compiz option on beryl manager and now get constant white screen. help plz
[05:01] <Jester45> try #ubuntu-effects
[05:01] <Gerro> its not really a beryl issue
[05:01] <Gerro> more so a fact I keep reloading the same glitched up session
[05:02] <Gerro> that had compiz running with white screen
[05:02] <Jester45> then dont load the seesion
[05:02] <Gerro> how?
[05:02] <Jester45> do you have auto login enabled?
[05:02] <Gerro> nope
[05:03] <Jester45> when you login in select a diffrent session
[05:03] <Jester45> at the bottom
[05:03] <Gerro> brb think I over looked something
[05:06] <Gerro> jester I checked and default login for xubuntu doesn't have session choice option
[05:06] <Gerro> it just shows xclient, xfce, failsafe, failsafe gnome
[05:06] <Gerro> and last session
[05:07] <Gerro> all give either white error or display text mode
[05:07] <Gerro> wait I'll just kill compiz duh, sorry I'm just freaking out trying to get settings going on this
[05:07] <Gerro> thx for help
[06:03] <imon9> hi, can someone tell me how to get rid of the "software uninstaller" made bu xubuntu 4.4.1 installer files? coz the so-called uninstaller doesnt work when i try it anyway
[06:05] <imon9> haloo? isnt anyone here at all?
[06:06] <imon9> hi, can someone tell me how to get rid of the "software uninstaller" made bu xubuntu 4.4.1 installer files? coz the so-called uninstaller doesnt work when i try it anyway
[06:08] <Pumpernickel> Do you mean the xfce installer from xfce.org?
[06:08] <imon9> yes
[06:08] <imon9> haha...finally someone replied..i started to think my chatzilla setting is wrong
[06:08] <imon9> yes, i meant the xfce installer from xfce.org
[06:09] <imon9> after i run that installer according to the instruction given, it sucessfully install the new xfce on my machine and everything work well. NOw that i update my repositories to gutsy, the new xfce is already there
[06:10] <Pumpernickel> The #xfce guys would likely know more about their installer's quirks.
[06:10] <imon9> so 3 reason why i dont need the uninstaller (1) the uninstaller doesnt let me uninstall them anyway (2) i dont plan to uninstall the xfce (3) gutsy has them in repositories, so i dont need the manual installer anymore
[06:10] <imon9> ok..i will try #xfce
[06:12] <pilibeen> hi...i'm struggling here trying to connect to an unsecured wireless network. I can see it in iwlist, and i enter the ESSID under network, leave the WEP blank...but still can't connect. Any ideas?
[06:12] <pilibeen> I've been able to connect in the past
[06:12] <pilibeen> just seems to be something w/ the upgrade
[06:39] <slow-motion> hallo
[08:14] <Riot777> which user group in ubuntu is for usb devices ?
[08:18] <Pumpernickel> Root, on the one device I have here to test with.
[09:03] <cjae> what is the message output I should get from dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda bs=1M  ??
[09:04] <atarinox> is there a reason I can't save diff network location configs in Feisty?
[09:05] <cjae> dd: /dev/hda: No Space left on device
[09:05] <cjae> sorry had phone call
[09:06] <cjae> cause it filled it with zero,s right of once it was full it should give this message right
[09:07] <cjae>  first time using dd
[09:08] <cjae> like it though cause I is easier than finding the manufacturers utility
[09:08] <cjae> I should be it
[09:13] <cjae> I think WD is serving out bad .iso images from their site the diag504cCD.iso and the .zip fail in both drives on my Sony box when I burn them to a maxell cdr
[09:14] <cjae> i don't think they have a md5 either
[09:21] <cjae> emdash, you around?
[09:24] <TTT_Travis> I have an LVM install of xubuntu feisty, I am almost out of disk space, I would like to add another drive to expand my overall storage, how do I go about formatting and adding the new drive?
[09:28] <cjae> does feisty do LVM by default??
[09:29] <TTT_Travis> no
[09:29] <TTT_Travis> I used the alternative installer cd and did it manually
[09:34] <cjae> can I remap my caps lock key?
[09:56] <adam0509> how do you change the panel color ?
[09:57] <Merchelo> any ever tried installing windows server pro 2003 on a machine after installing xu/ubuntu ?
[09:59] <TTT_Travis> Merchelo shouldn't have a problem as long as you left extra space on the drive for the windows server 2003 partition
[10:00] <TTT_Travis> when you boot from the W2k3 server cd, create a new partition, making sure not to overwrite or delete any partitions
[10:00] <Merchelo> ah ok
[10:00] <Merchelo> cool
[10:01] <Merchelo> wasn't too hip to the way my system was partitioned, and was wondering if windows would mess up grub
[10:04] <cjae> how do I get the application list from kb again
[10:06] <kalikiana__> cjae, xfdesktop --menu
[10:06] <cjae> alt f1 right
[10:06] <cjae> hi again btw
[10:08] <cjae> cause I am just launching help instead of application window meaning I have the wrong keyboard map right
[10:08] <cjae> the other alt does work either
[10:09] <cjae> damn m$
[10:09] <cjae> kalikiana_, are you there?
[10:11] <cjae> my mouse just died and I am going to throw it out
[10:11] <cjae> cause it is junk
[10:12] <Merchelo> bury it at least
[10:12] <cjae> fut that, it has taken more than it fair share of my hair
[10:13] <cjae> I was telling someone here yesterday how nutz it has made me
[10:13] <kalikiana__> cjae, So what'S wrong with your keyboard?
[10:13] <cjae> it acts like it is possessed
[10:13] <kalikiana__> MAybe you set it to emacs style?
[10:13] <cjae> kalikiana__, my alts don't seem to work
[10:14] <cjae> I think I have the wrong map
[10:14] <kalikiana__> So you should 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' :)
[10:14] <cjae> I have a standard qwerty kb but with the two ms buttons
[10:15] <cjae> that is pc105 right
[10:18] <cjae> I counted 104 twice
[10:42] <mads-> Are there any pros when choosing xubuntu over normal ubuntu?
[10:44] <mads-> none? =)
[10:44] <Merchelo> you get to chat with us?
[10:45] <Merchelo> you get to chat with us?
[10:45] <Zeqfreed> mads-, smaller size and lesser memory usage i guess
[10:46] <Merchelo> also it uses less memory, and comes packed with cool splash screens
[10:46] <mads-> Have you tried 7.04 ? I'm using 6.10 right now, and have heard 6.10 is nicer...
[10:47] <Zeqfreed> i'm using gentoo :)
[10:47] <Merchelo> well i use 6.10 because 7.04 doesn't like my gfx card, and i'm too lazy to properly fix it
[10:48] <mads-> What gfx do you have?
[10:48] <Merchelo> ati 9200
[10:48] <mads-> aaah, ati
[10:49] <mads-> Think I will try xfce4 - looks nice :)
[10:50] <Zeqfreed> mads-, good choice
[10:51] <cjae> ok I did a xserver recompile and my kb but's still don't work
[10:52] <cjae> I selected pc104 as pc105 was in my xorg and that I counted them twice
[10:52] <cjae> still pressing alt f1 does nothing
[10:53] <cjae> it is a logitech wireless kb with the volume and easy but's @ the top
[10:55] <TTT_Travis> I just did a clean install of xubuntu 7.04 last night
[10:55] <TTT_Travis> so far I don't have problems
[10:55] <Zeqfreed> cjae, run xev and try pressing the keys. does it produce any output?
[10:56] <Zeqfreed> i should run it inside the terminal surely
[10:56] <Zeqfreed> *you
[10:56] <cjae> yes alt L and alt
[10:56] <cjae> R
[10:57] <cjae> and the ms but work to
[10:57] <Merchelo> there's alt and then there's altgr
[10:58] <cjae> crt alt f1 put me to a real console
[10:58] <cjae> that is alt L
[10:58] <Zeqfreed> and alt+f1 not working?
[10:58] <cjae> ff xfce documentattion
[10:59] <cjae> just when I just hit f1
[10:59] <Zeqfreed> so what is your particular problem?
[10:59] <cjae> cannot select application menu from kb
[11:00] <Zeqfreed> hm
[11:01] <cjae> does just changing the pc10X part in xorg.conf use a different kb rule??
[11:01] <Zeqfreed> only after restarting the xserver
[11:01] <cjae> cause I counted them twice which btw means nothing
[11:02] <cjae> and I got 104 but I was 105 in my xorg
[11:02] <Zeqfreed> or you can use xmodmap which can change the settings on the fly
[11:02] <Zeqfreed> are you sure alt+f1 should open the menu?
[11:03] <cjae> does xfce use something else than alt f1 for menu
[11:03] <Zeqfreed> i have no idea
[11:04] <cjae> I went to a different workspace and tried alt(L) f1 and it opened ffox with the xfce doc
[11:04] <Zeqfreed> as far as i can remember i've bound some command to the super key for opening the menu when i used xubuntu
[11:05] <jrabbit> hi
[11:05] <Zeqfreed> jrabbit, hey
[11:05] <jrabbit> I was installing ubuntu on seperate drive and now brub sends back error 21
[11:05] <jrabbit> *grub
[11:05] <jrabbit> any way to reinstall grub from live CD?
[11:06] <jrabbit> or alt Cd but I have the live CD here
[11:06] <Zeqfreed> jrabbit, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub/+bug/8978 is this the issue you have?
[11:06] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 8978 in grub "Grub - Error 21 returned" [Medium,Confirmed] 
[11:06] <cjae> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-24113.html
[11:07] <jrabbit> Zeqfreed,  seems right
[11:07] <Zeqfreed> jrabbit, i hope it'll be helpful
[11:07] <jrabbit> I have a second bios for loading a pci/ata card that I can't edit
[11:07] <jrabbit> soo
[11:09] <cjae> I hate xorg
[11:09] <jrabbit> oh
[11:09] <jrabbit> ok
[11:09] <Zeqfreed> cjae, try binding "xfdesktop -menu" command to some key and pressing it
[11:09] <jrabbit> instructions for doing it from commandline
[11:09] <jrabbit> great :D
[11:09] <jrabbit> I knew you did something from terminal -> grub
[11:09] <Zeqfreed> cjae, you can even try to bind it to alt+f1 keys :)
[11:10] <Pumpernickel> You can use `xev` if you're curious as to what keycode your alt keys are currently generating.
[11:11] <cjae> I don't understand why it does just work
[11:11] <cjae> the meta keys don't work w/f1 either and I don't know how to make them bind
[11:12] <Zeqfreed> somewhere in the menu there's a keyboard configuration launcher ;)
[11:15] <Aar0n444> Hi
[11:17] <Zeqfreed> well.. i need some sleep. bye
[11:25] <Aar0n444> How can I get this kernal mod working in any version of Xubuntu >6.06? It worked in 6.06 http://guillermoesteves.com/blog/2006/06/08/how-to-get-a-d-link-dwl-g650-wi-fi-adapter-to-work-in-ubuntu-linux-6-06
[11:40] <mcscruff> i installed a kde app, but it keeps saying cannot talk to klauncher
[11:40] <mcscruff> help pls
[11:40] <Aar0n444> Xubuntu uses XFCE
[11:40] <Aar0n444> Not KDE
[11:40] <mcscruff> i know, i have the kde libs tho
[11:41] <Aar0n444> No idea then
[11:41] <Aar0n444> Sorry
[11:41] <mcscruff> the app runs but when i do file-open i get that error
[12:05] <cjae> ok I think maybe some should have spoke up about crt esc I know I probably should have looked at keyboard settings too
[12:06] <cjae> before I reconfig my xserver
[12:07] <Merchelo> backup your old xerver.conf
[12:07] <cjae> yes I had so I just cp it over
[12:08] <cjae> anyone know what Load	"i2c" is for in xorg
[12:09] <cjae> was missing when I reconfigured