paranrbrunhuber, mhb: install kde4base-dev and shared-mime-info, then kde4 gets much further12:22
paranat least it shows the panel for a few seconds before crashing :)12:23
mhbparan: I've tried Konsole and it worked here12:24
paranI tried a full kde4 session12:25
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paranmhb: does konsole work for you if installed kde4base, but not kde4base-dev?12:55
mhbparan: not sure, as I installed -dev at the start12:57
paranok. I think you will get the same result as me if you remove -dev.01:04
mhbit seems so01:05
mhbit has segfaulted01:08
paranit tries to use kde libs from kde301:11
rbrunhuberparan i have installed both kde4base and kde4base-dev01:12
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jjesseping nixternal02:35
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dadchickenHowdy folks.04:37
Hobbseedadchicken: you made it!04:37
jjessehello :)_04:38
dadchickenYup :)04:38
Hobbseedadchicken: hwo was the plane flight?04:38
Hobbseehi jjesse!04:38
dadchickenIn excruciating pain, but made it none-the-less.04:38
dadchickenAnd long.04:38
jjessehiya sarah04:38
Hobbseedadchicken: did you collapse again, or what?04:38
jjessewhy is my connection at home always faster then the htoel rooms i have to stay at :(04:39
dadchickenNo, I really hurt my left foot pretty bad when I passed out.04:40
Hobbseedadchicken: ouch.04:40
dadchickenIt's swollen to about the size of an apple sitting atop a banana.04:40
dadchickenRather nasty.04:40
dadchickenThough these little pills make it alllll better :)04:40
jjessewhat did you do dadchicken?04:40
Hobbseehehe :)04:40
dadchickenjjesse: I got severely dehydrated and passed out shortly before I left Sevilla.04:41
jjessewow thats crazy04:45
dadchickenHobbsee: The put 3 litres of IV fluid into me this afternoon.04:56
Hobbseedadchicken: wow....that's impressive04:56
dadchickenFroze me half to death.04:56
dadchickenRoom temperature liquid going into a body that is much warmer than room temperature...04:56
dadchickenI was shivering04:56
Hobbseeheh, not surprising04:57
=== ScottK has had a similar experience. It's certainly not pleasant.
dadchickenI'll tell you though, it's very easy to get through customs and security when you've got an airport employee pushing you about in a wheelchar :)04:58
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dadchickenPregnant women are weird.05:00
Hobbseeget used to it, i suspect05:00
ScottKdadchicken: Don't bank on getting used to it.  As soon as you do, they change.05:50
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jdongdadchicken: lol05:53
jdongdadchicken: that is one of the best quotes I've heard today.... :)05:54
jdongvery true though05:54
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mdhooge_StefanS_: hello. do you have some time to discuss bug #11224411:14
ubotuLaunchpad bug 112244 in kdebase "Konqueror refuses to resolve localhost and in some cases" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11224411:14
_StefanS_mdhooge: hi there :)11:18
mdhoogeI thought it was a good start for me to get into KDE source...11:18
_StefanS_mdhooge: indeed11:19
_StefanS_mdhooge: I'm reading up on the bug now11:19
mdhooge_StefanS_: this is really easy to reproduce11:19
_StefanS_mdhooge: you need something like a webserver on localhost, right?11:20
mdhoogeyes, something as big as apache ;)11:20
mdhoogebut I guess that even without a server the message must be different11:20
_StefanS_its up now, I will try reproducing11:21
viviersfRiddell, ping11:21
_StefanS_mdhooge: hmm I dont have problems reaching localhost or both in firefox or konqueror11:22
mdhooge_StefanS_: is knetworkmanager running?11:22
_StefanS_mdhooge: always11:22
_StefanS_mdhooge: I'm on a wired connection right now11:22
mdhooge_StefanS_: did you unplug the cable?11:23
_StefanS_well no, is that a requirement ? :)11:24
mdhooge_StefanS_: yes, when knm detects no connection available, konqy can't access localhost11:24
_StefanS_ok brb11:24
_StefanS_ah I see the problem now :)11:26
mdhoogestrange, no?11:26
_StefanS_very.. did you see fdoving's comment to the bug, btw?11:27
mdhoogequite annoying when you have a laptop11:27
mdhoogeyes, but the simplest workaround is to use FF11:28
_StefanS_I use FF, so I never saw it11:28
mdhoogeI use both, and for "local stuff", I try to stick to konqy11:28
_StefanS_fdovings comment indicates that there might be a bug outside knm then11:29
_StefanS_because the /etc/hosts file is correct11:29
mdhoogewhat's strange is that as soon as you quit KNM, konq can access localhost again11:30
mdhoogeI thought KNM was purely a GUI feedback...11:30
_StefanS_well it communicates with networkmanager in the background11:31
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mdhoogeso there's some kind of link between the 3 of them11:31
_StefanS_I need to check what difference quitting knetworkmanager does11:32
mdhoogeping me when you're back11:34
_StefanS_check /var/log/syslog11:34
_StefanS_well, I need to check /var/log/syslog thats what i meant11:34
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Tonio_hey ;)11:35
_StefanS_Tonio_: hey !11:35
_StefanS_show me the money !!!!11:35
Tonio__StefanS_: how are you ?11:35
Tonio__StefanS_: hehe :)11:35
_StefanS_Tonio_: fine fine, did you get a new job or ?11:35
Tonio__StefanS_: is frode arround ?11:35
_StefanS_Tonio_: haven't seen him, no.11:35
Tonio__StefanS_: bah I have a new job yep, but the same than during the last month11:36
Tonio__StefanS_: I have an interesting bug for you..... interested ?11:36
Tonio__StefanS_: I noticed that with the latest patch for clean umount dialog by frode (kdebase / kubuntu_95_safely-remove_umount_dialog.diff), there is no way to unmount an audiocd11:37
Tonio__StefanS_: the reason is that an audiocd icon on the desktop isn't using the true path, but the audiocd:/ protocol11:37
Tonio__StefanS_: fancy fixing this ?11:37
_StefanS_Tonio_: well, I would like to help if I hadn't swapped my one cdrom for a new harddrive :D11:37
Tonio__StefanS_: that really annoying issue.... I'm pretty sure the fix is trivial11:37
_StefanS_Tonio_: could probably hook up an usb cdrom later, and look at it.11:37
Tonio__StefanS_: hum, the only thing is to make an exception for audiocd;/11:38
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Tonio_there shouldn't be any need to test11:38
_StefanS_Tonio_: I was actually trying to add LEAP support for knetworkmanager, but mdhooge pointed out that there was a bug for accessing localhost/ when the network cable/wireless is off11:38
_StefanS_Tonio_: got any ideas?11:38
Tonio_leap ?11:39
_StefanS_Tonio_: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/11224411:39
ubotuLaunchpad bug 112244 in kdebase "Konqueror refuses to resolve localhost and in some cases" [Undecided,Confirmed] 11:39
Tonio_to what I know it may work with the svn version..... I'm unsure on that point11:39
_StefanS_Tonio_: cisco's lightweight11:39
Tonio_I was supposed to work on knm next week11:39
_StefanS_Tonio_: oh ?11:39
_StefanS_Tonio_: with what?11:39
Tonio_with lea11:39
_StefanS_Tonio_: haha thats funny :)11:39
Tonio_no idea concerning that konqueror and localhost11:40
_StefanS_Tonio_: Quitting knetworkmanager makes you able to access localhost/ again11:40
mdhoogevery strange behaviour for me !!11:40
Tonio__StefanS_: bug 112244 may not be a bug11:40
ubotuLaunchpad bug 112244 in kdebase "Konqueror refuses to resolve localhost and in some cases" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11224411:40
_StefanS_Tonio_: so it seems that when networkmanager is 'active' there's no lookup for localhost/
_StefanS_Tonio_: no ?11:40
Tonio_I assume their knm isn't connected and therefore the offline mode is turned on11:40
_StefanS_a feature ? :D11:40
Tonio_exactly ;)11:41
mdhoogeFF can still access localhost11:41
Tonio_mdhooge: FF doesn't deal with kde's offline mode11:41
mdhoogeyes, I guesses so :)11:41
_StefanS_Tonio_: dont you agree that localhost should be accesible even if youre offline ?11:41
Tonio__StefanS_: agree on that point11:41
Tonio_looks like offline mode disables the all naming resolution, even local11:42
_StefanS_Tonio_:  yes!11:42
Tonio__StefanS_: hard to fix.......11:42
_StefanS_mdhooge: there you have it ...11:42
mdhoogeand when you quit KNM, the offline mode is "released"?11:42
mdhoogei mean "by KNM?"11:42
_StefanS_yea that puzzles me aswell11:43
Tonio__StefanS_: we should patch offline mode in kdelibs to make an exception for localhost and
Tonio_mdhooge: I don't think so :)11:43
_StefanS_Tonio_: we should, because say you have a laptop and develop websites11:43
Tonio_mdhooge: I don't think knm restores the mode on stop11:43
Tonio__StefanS_: I know :)11:44
mdhoogeTonio_: so why quitting KNM enables konqy to access localhost11:44
_StefanS_Tonio_: and just want to test if it works on konquorer... then it fails :D11:44
Tonio_mdhooge: when you connect knm disables the offline mode11:44
Tonio_then it works11:44
_StefanS_ah ofcourse.11:44
mdhoogeTonio_: No, I meant, when you're offline, if you quit KNM, konqy can access localhost again!11:44
_StefanS_Tonio_: know where to start, because I have a patch for ksmserver anyways this week11:45
Tonio_but patching knm to change offline mode to its default value on quit is a nice idea11:45
Tonio_mdhooge: hum maybe that implemented then........ I don't know the all knm code11:45
Tonio_mdhooge: then that's it11:45
Tonio_quite knm11:45
Tonio_quit knm11:45
Tonio_that's a feature, not a bug :)11:45
_StefanS_Tonio_: please ;)11:45
_StefanS_Tonio_: sounds kinda odd, dont you think11:46
mdhoogeTonio_: I'm trying hard convincing myself that KNM is good for me!11:46
_StefanS_Tonio_: i think we should straigthen it out, so that it works similar to FF, regardless if it knows about kde offline mode or not11:46
mdhoogeSo if I must quit it every time I want to access a local page when I'm abroad...11:46
_StefanS_Tonio_: for the sake of logic11:47
mdhoogeBTW, I discovered it trying to access dpkg-www when offline - not even developping website11:47
_StefanS_Tonio_: know about this: May 14 11:33:10 sfs-laptop NetworkManager: <WARNING>^I nm_spawn_process (): nm_spawn_process('/usr/sbin/nscd -i hosts'): could not spawn process. (Failed to execute child process "/usr/sbin/nscd" (No such file or directory))11:47
_StefanS_name service cache daemon.. hmm11:48
mdhoogeI tried with with same result - so not related to NS?11:49
_StefanS_mdhooge: its not it seems11:49
mdhoogeis he trying sth? ;)11:51
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_StefanS_I was just away talking to a coworker11:57
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_StefanS_mdhooge: I'm kind of confused now..11:59
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mdhooge_StefanS_: confused about what?12:03
mdhooge_StefanS_: newbie question: where are stored strings like "An error occurred while loading"?12:03
mdhooge_StefanS_: I tried grepping them in kdebasebut with no result12:04
_StefanS_mdhooge: I think it corresponds to a standard errormessage, but I'm not sure where its located12:04
mdhoogeI'm apt-getting kdelibs also12:05
_StefanS_mdhooge: ./knetworkmanager-0.1/knetworkmanager/src/knetworkmanager-state.cpp:State::setOfflineMode ..12:06
_StefanS_mdhooge: m_serviceStub->setNetworkStatus( KDED_NETWORK_NAME, NetworkStatus::Offline );12:07
_StefanS_mdhooge: maybe we should patch knm to not changing the networkstatus12:08
mdhooge_StefanS_: is there a risk to break sthg else?12:09
_StefanS_mdhooge: well that is what I'm thinking hard about right now.. :D12:09
_StefanS_mdhooge: We need to ask Riddell and Tonio_ for their ideas on that..12:09
_StefanS_Riddell: are you there ?12:09
mdhooge_StefanS_: I think teaching KDE that localhost is still available even when offline would be better...12:10
_StefanS_mdhooge: indeed.12:10
_StefanS_mdhooge: Im getting the source of networkstatus now, to see if it contains something useful12:11
mdhoogestrange: I don't have the line m_serviceStub->setNetworkStatus in the source I apt-got?12:12
mdhoogebut I do have the bug12:12
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_StefanS_mdhooge: you need to apply the patches ;)12:13
_StefanS_mdhooge: sudo make -f debian/rules apply-patches12:13
_StefanS_mdhooge: then it'll probably be there12:13
mdhoogestupid me!12:13
_StefanS_mdhooge: you can just debuild -nc it too , if you want12:14
_StefanS_mdhooge: an easy fix would be to remove the networkstatus as fdoving stated12:16
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_StefanS_mdhooge: seems like kde offline is generally bad for you :D12:16
_StefanS_I'm going for launch.. be back in 30mins12:16
mdhoogebon apptit12:17
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Hobbseehiya Jucato!12:30
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Jucatoback home?12:30
Jucatonice :)12:30
Hobbseeyeah.  36 hours later.12:31
Jucatoaw... didn't you do a bit of sightseeing and roaming around? :D12:32
Hobbseeyeah, did some of that :)12:32
Hobbseeover the week12:32
Jucatonice nice :)12:34
Hobbseeeven went on a horse and carriage ride12:35
Jucatooooh fancy :D12:35
Jucatothey should have taken a pic of you :D12:37
JucatoQueen Hobbsee :D12:37
kwwiishe did look quite stately12:38
kwwiihi Hobbsee12:38
kwwiibtw, the group pic is up on http://www.flickr.com/photos/kwwii12:38
Jucatohi kwwii!!!12:38
kwwiihi Jucato12:38
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Hobbseeheya kwwii!12:39
Hobbseeooh, group shot!12:39
Hobbseekwwii: very nice :)12:42
kwwiinever ask me to photoshop you into a pic ;-)12:42
_StefanS_hey Hobbsee and Jucato12:47
Hobbseeheya _StefanS_!12:47
_StefanS_so when are you going to see some documents as to where Kubuntu is heading for busty hippo, or whatever it is called...  :)12:47
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_StefanS_hopping hippo12:50
_StefanS_might be the next good name12:50
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rbrunhuber_StefanS_ : Played around with the kde4 packages, but they keep crashing here too.01:03
_StefanS_rbrunhuber: great. Its the same all over :D01:03
_StefanS_rbrunhuber: Guess we want to wait for a more mature version :)01:04
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rbrunhuber_StefanS_ : Yeah, I thougt it would be more shiny. So I'll wait (if necessary until the hopping hippo makes the earth quake :-) ).01:06
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rbrunhuber_StefanS_ : I just read you are hacking on knm. Is it a "regression" that kdepim again shows pop ups if it lost connection?01:08
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_StefanS_rbrunhuber: err, well I can't tell you actually, because I was thinking out loud in the channel, and dont really have any idea as to where kdepim fits in the equation :D01:13
_StefanS_rbrunhuber: to start with I was just going to add leap support for knm, but then Tonio_ told me that it was something he was set out to do :)01:13
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rbrunhuber_StefanS_ : I saw that knm has no support for x509 certificates for wlan but wpasupplicant has. This would be great if this could be added to the gui, so one need not to rip  the .x509 certificate in peaces with openssl which to me is quite painfull.01:16
_StefanS_uhm, well sounds like a reasonable thing01:17
rbrunhuber_StefanS_ : Has two advantages: 1. I can just export and use my certificate in the company from the ad 2. just 1 instead of 3 lines for wpa_supplicant. wap_supplicant uses everything (ca cert, user cert and private key from the .x509)01:19
_StefanS_rbrunhuber: ah the x509 is an all inclusive kinda thing (been long time since I messed with certs)01:19
rbrunhuber_StefanS_ : what you get from your personal certificate store in windows is a "pfx" that contains all three (ca, user cert and priv key)01:20
_StefanS_rbrunhuber: yep, remember that now01:21
_StefanS_rbrunhuber: I have been involved with novell/eDir and revocation of certificates and stuff01:21
_StefanS_rbrunhuber: well, do you use TLS or TTLS ?01:21
_StefanS_rbrunhuber: seems like even though you specify WPA/WPA2, wpa_supplicant supports WEP encryption also01:22
rbrunhuber_StefanS_ : As far as i know it is tls (don't have the config handy now) but i have no access to the router so i have a more or less one fits all configuration.01:23
_StefanS_rbrunhuber: read that somewhere, but sounds plausible as you are already encrypting inside the tunnel regardless of the AP security01:23
_StefanS_rbrunhuber: I have a few wrt54g lying around I could test that on, i guess01:23
rbrunhuberwe use a dlink 2100 ap here, with afaik wpa-eap-tls and authenticates with certificates against a MS Windows 2003 radius server.01:25
rbrunhuber_StefanS_ : the named configuration works well in with linux. I get a link and ip address.01:26
_StefanS_rbrunhuber: named?01:26
_StefanS_rbrunhuber: sorry missed the first line01:26
rbrunhuber_StefanS_: we use a dlink 2100 ap here, with afaik wpa-eap-tls and authenticates with certificates against a MS Windows 2003 radius server.01:27
_StefanS_right, I have messed alot with freeradius and the above mentioned edir combination, so I might be able to put something together01:27
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_StefanS_rbrunhuber: could you please create a bug, and make it a feature request01:27
_StefanS_rbrunhuber: guess that will kind of make rolling a bit as well01:27
rbrunhuber_StefanS_ : I'll do.01:27
_StefanS_rbrunhuber: great01:28
_StefanS_rbrunhuber: please provide mockup in the whole way you can !01:30
rbrunhuber_StefanS_ : Ok have to reenable my gimp knowledge :-)01:31
_StefanS_rbrunhuber: kolourpain(t) will do01:31
rbrunhuber_StefanS_ : Oh my god i got the evil kolourpain :-)01:32
_StefanS_rbrunhuber: well I think it would be a good idea to have knm accept x509 directly, to aid usability in mixed evironments01:35
_StefanS_rbrunhuber: LEAP would be nice too, as I know the gnome counterpart has that support already01:35
_StefanS_rbrunhuber: and infact I need it here at work too :D01:36
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manchickenRiddell: I think you were right.  I think I've got the mad bacon disease.04:32
jjessehow are you manchicken?04:32
manchickenMy temp is 103.8'F04:33
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jjessewow that sucks04:33
ScottKmanchicken: With a high fever you can take Ibuprofen and Tylenol both to get the fever down (they act on different mechanisms and don't conflict) - This I found out after having kids.  FYI.  YMMV.  Don't sue me if it doesn't work out, etc.04:35
manchickenScottK: I'm on Tylenol3 for my foot, so I can't take anymore Tylenol, but I have been hitting the IBP regularly.04:35
ScottKAh.  OK.04:36
Jucatohow about just paracetamol?04:36
manchickenDon't know that.04:36
Jucatomanchicken: hope you get well soon04:36
manchickenI'm on some mean anti-biotics.04:36
manchickenThey say I should feel better tomorrow.04:36
JucatoI'm on some antibiotics as well04:36
ScottKJucato: IIRC that requires a perscription in the US.04:36
manchickenI think JR was right.  It's gotta be the mad bacon disease.04:36
JucatoScottK: really? wow!04:36
Jucatoit's an over the counter drug here. the most common medicine for fevers04:37
ScottKJucato: If it's what I think it is.  Names vary.04:37
Jucatolol! it seems to be the generic name for Tylenol :)04:38
ScottKAh, nevermind then.04:38
manchickenAcetametophin(sp) is what we have in Tylenol in the US.04:38
Jucatowell, at least that's what WP tells me. I think the only medicien our countries have in common would be Advil :D04:38
ScottKmanchicken: I'll just note for the record that even though the Ibuprofen bottle says the dosage is 200mg mostly with 400mg OK sometimes, the perscription strength Ibuprofen is availalbe up to 800mg pills.04:39
Jucato"The active ingredient of its original, flagship product, acetaminophen (called paracetamol outside of North America)..."04:39
manchickenScottK: Yeah.04:39
jjessewhen my brother had knee surgery he was taking 1600mg of ibuprofen at a time04:39
ScottKJucato: IIRC Advil is a brand name for Ibuprofen.04:39
manchickenJucato: Ah.  Very nice.04:39
manchickenScottK: Sugar-coated Ibuprofen.04:40
JucatoScottK: yeah04:40
manchickenGoes down smooth.04:40
ScottKOTOH, if your temp is that high, you may not be at all qualified to decide what you should be taking.04:40
Jucatough! I think I need to take some myself...04:40
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manchickenI was told to keep pumping the fluids, take my meds, and just chill.04:40
jjesselots of sleep :)04:40
Jucatoand be offline :)04:40
Jucatoor at least afk :P04:41
manchickenI'm checking my temp again.04:41
hungerIs there fix for knetworkmanager in the pipe?04:41
Hobbseehunger: depends on how exactly it's broken04:42
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manchickenOkay, I'm gonna go watch cartoons now.04:42
hungerHobbsee: You are just too nice to take the easy way out;-)04:42
Hobbseebye manchicken|away!04:42
Hobbseehunger: :P04:43
Hobbseehunger: well, you did give a very general question04:43
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hungerHobbsee: I get something about no libnetworkmanager being there.04:43
Hobbseeoh yeah, right04:43
Hobbseei'd imagine so, at some point04:43
hungerHobbsee: So do I:-)04:46
hungerHobbsee: I am pretty positive it will be fixed in gutsy:-)04:46
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Hobbseehunger: likely.  you could do the network manager merge, which would probably fix the problem04:47
hungerHobbsee: Nope, I can't. All the debs I ever touched turned out worse than before.04:48
Hobbseehi bddebian!04:48
bddebianHello Hobbsee04:49
jjessehello bddebian04:50
bddebianHi jjesse04:50
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\shkwwii, pingeling...dude, I have one spare bed at linuxtag in a flat...wanna join the greatest kubuntu-booth-team ever? ,-)05:16
kwwii\sh: unfortunately I will be in italy at a meeting and cannot attend linuxtag :-(05:16
kwwiiup until last week I was planning to go05:16
\shkwwii, damn..now I need another cool guy/gal to help us ;)05:16
Hobbseedont look at me :P05:17
kwwiiI'm sure you can find someone05:17
\shI hope it too :)05:17
\shkwwii, btw...I wonder what made you look so frightend, when Jono put his hands around you ;)05:30
kwwii\sh: where did you see that pic?05:31
\shkwwii, planet.ubuntu.com posting of mirco :)05:31
\shI hope it's you....or you changed your outfit completly ;)05:32
kwwiilol, very nice05:33
raphinkhi guys05:33
kwwiias usual, I was actively trying to be stupid05:33
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\shkwwii, hehe...05:39
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apachelogger\sh_away: ping06:38
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giangy'evening guys :)07:01
giangyhayo Hobbsee07:02
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TrevinhoAm I in the wrong place for reporting problems with knut (kde4) packages for kubuntu.org ?07:46
Trevinhowell, I've tried running it07:47
Trevinhoin all ways07:47
Hobbseepackaging bug, or kde breakage?07:47
Trevinhothe 2nd Hobbsee07:47
Hobbseetoma: didnt think so - depending on what it is07:47
TrevinhoI mean, both using some my scripts and following kubuntu.org instructions....07:47
Hobbseethen you probably want to file it upstream somewhere07:47
Trevinhorunning startkde07:47
Trevinhodoesn't work07:47
tomaTrevinho: it's an alpha, dont run it, it's for developers ;-)07:48
TrevinhoI know toma :P07:48
Hobbseeyeah, but if you're not running what kde distributes, then dont expect it to work07:48
Trevinhobut I think it should start, isn't it? :)07:48
Trevinhono, Hobbsee I'm running all distributed by kubuntu.org07:48
Hobbseeso what are the your scripts?07:49
Trevinhosome scripts for launching startkde, that pratically did what written on kubuntu.org07:49
Trevinhobut I did them before of readin these infos :)07:49
Hobbseethen you probably want to report it to the kde bugtracker07:49
Hobbseemaking sure that your scripts are nto to blame07:49
Trevinhohowever using both Xnest and X (kdm session), whe I launch startkde something goes wrong07:50
ubotuDoesn't work is a strong statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Is it on IRC all the time? Please be specific! Examples of what doesn't work tend to help too.07:50
toma;-) ^ nice text07:50
TrevinhoI don't have made a gdb backtrace yet, but actually I get this: http://pastebin.ca/48782507:51
TrevinhoHobbsee: I knew, I was just pasting... :)07:51
Trevinhopratically, it loads until a bin (kdeload or something like that :P) is killed, then it closes07:52
Hobbseeyou want to talk to #kde or something then07:53
Hobbseeif it's not a packaging error07:53
Hobbseeas they're actually coding it07:53
apachelogger#kde-devel that would be07:53
Trevinhook, but maybe I should install kde4base-dev before....07:53
tomaTrevinho: try xephyr, works great http://techbase.kde.org/Getting_Started/Set_up_KDE_4_for_development#Launching_KDE_4_sessions07:54
Trevinhoyeah, toma07:54
TrevinhoI used that07:54
Trevinhohowever, about packaging07:55
Trevinhoyou surely know (also because it was said on some irc logs), but installing kde4 from kubuntu packages removes the kubuntu-desktop since it  had to remove some qt4libs that now are called in another way....07:56
apacheloggerTrevinho: problem with that is....?07:57
Trevinhowell, some software that depends on qt4-core are removed07:58
Trevinholike the bug-notifier and others qt4 based tools07:59
Hobbseei believe that's because the porting isnt finished yet?07:59
Trevinhoso maybe the new installed libs should have a provides field with the standard name...07:59
apacheloggerTrevinho: the new libs != the old libs08:00
tomaCan we do a Kubuntu meeting somewhere in the near future, we haven't done one in ages08:00
apacheloggertaht why they are new libs08:00
apacheloggerthey are a development snapshot from kde svn08:00
Hobbseetoma: yeah.  this week.08:00
apacheloggercurrently it would be 4.3rc108:00
Trevinhomh, ok... so putting them in another dir maybe08:00
tomaHobbsee: ok, is there a date yet?08:01
apacheloggerwould make a hell of troubles when compiling08:01
apachelogger...qt4 software08:01
Hobbseetoma: none.  i've not been home for that long yet08:01
apacheloggerbeacuse then you have 2 qt4 installed08:01
apacheloggernot the most perfect situation I imagine08:01
tomaHobbsee: ok, i'll leave it to you then08:02
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toma(not my job to poke people)08:02
Hobbseetoma: mainly because i dont remember my uni timetable and such08:02
Hobbseetoma: and i'm probably the least flexible person08:02
Trevinhosure apachelogger... but considering that newer libs are used just by devs, they can that to develop kde4 software should use the new libs :)08:03
Trevinhobtw it isn't a problem08:03
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apacheloggerresult -> if you're not a dev you shouldn't install it and kubuntu-desktop doesn't get removed and other qt4 apps don't get removed either08:04
apacheloggerHobbsee: got a second or two?08:05
Hobbseeapachelogger: yeah08:06
apacheloggerHobbsee: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=503108:06
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apacheloggerW: libkhalkhi0: package-name-doesnt-match-sonames libkhalkhicore0 libkhalkhigui008:06
apacheloggersays lintian08:07
Hobbseeapachelogger: i dont have that much08:07
apacheloggerjust a question08:07
apacheloggercurrently the lib package includes:08:07
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apacheloggerand I don't know where to store the lib/kde3 stuff when spliting the libs package into libkhalkhicore0 and libkhalkhigui008:08
apacheloggerHobbsee: any suggestion on that?08:08
Hobbseeask in #ubuntu-motu - i've got no idea08:08
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MidMarkRiddell: sorry but I want only to know if kdebase is compiled with -O3 flag08:16
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alleetoma, Hobbsee: didn't we plan to do a meeting wednesday next week if possible?  AFAIR  Riddell told us that he away this week.08:22
allee^^ and hi08:22
Hobbseeallee: ah yes, next week.08:24
Hobbseei didnt commit to a day, because i havent found my timetable yet08:24
jjessewas that a kubuntu mtg?08:24
tomaallee: ok,next weeks will be a bit difficult for me though08:24
Hobbseejjesse: yes08:25
jjesseawesome, hopefully i'll be able to attend08:25
Hobbseeoh hi MidMark08:25
Hobbseehttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/99372 hasnt been fixed yet because no one has stepped up to od it.  if you're interested, and have the hardware, how about you try?08:26
ubotuLaunchpad bug 99372 in kdebase "[Feisty]  KDE Printing Manager does not list the PPDs of Gutenprint" [High,Confirmed] 08:26
MidMarkHobbsee: hi, try what? Yes I have hardware....08:28
nixternalJR said he is on holiday this week, and next week I have no school...woohoo!08:30
HobbseeMidMark: try to fix the bug.08:30
nixternalout for a whole week and then right back into it08:30
MidMarkHobbsee: to fix? wow... well I have only read that removing O3 make it works, so the question above08:32
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Hobbseetest it :)08:35
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HobbseeMidMark: faster machine helps :P09:14
MidMarkHobbsee: I have an athlon x2 4400+09:15
MidMarkHobbsee: anyway knowing first which flags are used can preserve me wasting time compiling...09:19
Hobbseeit's not listed in debian/rules or something?09:20
Hobbseei'm not sure wher ehte standard flags are done, actually09:20
MidMarkHobbsee: don't know where flags are listed09:21
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RiddellMidMark: look at the build logs on launchpad.net10:54
Riddellallee: yes, please organise a meeting10:54
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Riddellnixternal: group photo for fridge story http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=496840669&size=l11:01
Riddellsladen was late to the shoot11:01
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kwwiiplease use that one11:34
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