[12:14] <javaJake> jon_, I recommend you temporarily disable the firewalls just to be certain. A freeze before connecting can sometimes mean the software found the computer but for some reason cannot complete the connection.
[12:14] <JErick> Hiya, anyone know how to run a .run file within the shell?
[12:14] <jon_> turn off the firewall on the server end?
[12:15] <javaJake> jon_, this can be a firewall dropping the connection without letting your client know. This is secure against hackers, but can cause problems for legitimate users.
[12:15] <Gonohov> Good afternoon, kind people! Would you please tell me if "kernel-headers" package is available somewhere at repositoires of Ubuntu 7.04. I'm trying to get my Lucent/Agere Winmodem working, but the compiling procedure fails because of some "kernel-headers" not found. The only package that meets search requirements was "kernel-package", but it did not work out. So please, if you know where to get it I will be very happy :)
[12:15] <javaJake> jon_, yes, though if guarddog is really blocking outbound VNC connections, disable that too
[12:15] <jon_> ok, ill go try it
[12:16] <Gonohov> May be I need some other package to be downloaded, I don't know which though...
[12:16] <JErick> So yes, I have this driver I want to install (it's an ati proprietary driver) and I want to run it, but I'm not sure how to run it through the terminal.
[12:17] <javaJake> jon_, like I said, I can help up to the point of connection. Beyond that is the land of the unkown for me. Unless you want to talk about the WUSB54GS, xorg.conf, ndiswrapper, or the Radeon M6 LY video card. :)
[12:17] <ssmith> Newbie Question-  How do I run KTorrent?
[12:17] <javaJake> Those I have much more knowledge on due to months of Googling and testing.
[12:17] <jon_> it didnt work
[12:17] <Sanne> Gonohov: you need the headers for your running kernel. What's the output of 'uname -r'?
[12:17] <JErick> You can see it in the Internet section, yes ssmith?
[12:18] <jon_> i was not sure if i should connect to the ip address :0 or the computer name :0
[12:18] <Gonohov> Sanne: It's on my home machine. It sais "2.6.20-15-generic"
[12:18] <jon_> it says it cant resolve the computer name but the ip makes it freeze with no feedback
[12:19] <JErick> nvm I think i have my way to run it. thanks
[12:19] <Sanne> Gonohov: the you can install the headers with: sudo apt-get install linux-headers-2.6.20-15-generic
[12:19] <gikid> i have a question about using kubuntu in a VM
[12:19] <Sanne> Gonohov: or use aptitude/synaptic/adept as you prefer
[12:20] <Gonohov> Sanne: That's the point -- I have them already installed
[12:20] <gikid> when i tried to install kubuntu on VirtualBox, it tried to partition the drive but it couldnt create a swap partition
[12:20] <gikid> does anyone know whats wrong?
[12:20] <javaJake> jon_, the IP address is always X.X.X.X.X
[12:21] <Gonohov> Sanne: I've downloaded linux-headers package within the Windows PC, then rebooted and try to install. The package was already installed. I reinstall it, though...
[12:21] <jon_> i thought when using vnc you put the display number after the ip
[12:21] <Sanne> Gonohov: oh! Then I can only assume that the compiling script searches for them in a wrong location. How are you going about compiling your driver?
[12:21] <jon_> i think mine is display 0
[12:21] <javaJake> jon_, for some clients, you do not have to
[12:21] <jon_> ill try just the ip
[12:21] <javaJake> jon_, I never do myself, but then again, I never use xtightvncviewer. :P
[12:22] <Dragnslcr> Anybody know offhand what command is run and/or file is altered when you set monitor power saving in the system settings?
[12:22] <ruben_> hola
[12:22] <ruben_> hi
[12:22] <Sanne> Gonohov: what's the output of 'dpkg -l linux-headers-2.6.20-15 | grep ^ii'
[12:22] <steffen> how can i play a ogg file? i have tryed Kaffeine and XMMS.
[12:22] <jon_> did not work, i could use another vnc viewer but krdc did not work either
[12:22] <Gonohov> Sanne: I ran './build_package' and then hit 'Enter' an all :(
[12:22] <ruben_> hey hey hey
[12:22] <Dragnslcr> steffen- try Amarok maybe?
[12:22] <ruben_> i don't know linux
[12:23] <ruben_> i wanna to talk
[12:23] <SlimeyPete> steffen: xmms should do it. Try VLC or beep-media-player or amarok.
[12:23] <jon_> also krdc has an extra error that it cannot find stuff on the network
[12:23] <gikid> ruben_ you should probably goto ##linux
[12:23] <ruben_> how are you?
[12:24] <Gonohov> Sanne: the output was "Header files related to Linux kernel version 2.6.20"
[12:24] <Admiral_Chicago> ruben_: #kubuntu-offtopic as well
[12:24] <ruben_> i have the kubuntu feisty
[12:24] <ruben_> it is the best
[12:24] <gikid> compared to what?
[12:24] <Sanne> Gonohov: ok, then they are installed. Just to be sure. This ./build_package script, is it small enough that you could pastebin it? Can you open it in a text editor?
[12:25] <gikid> hmm
[12:25] <gikid> bye guys
[12:25] <phoenixbyrd> gikid, best compared to XP
[12:25] <ruben_> any girl, wanna talk with me?
[12:26] <ruben_> i can't speak english very good
[12:26] <ruben_> i m spanish
[12:26] <Dragnslcr> No kidding
[12:26] <Gonohov> Sanne: I'm sorry, when I try "build_package" it tells me I need "build_module" first to be run. So I have mistaken -- I ran "./build_module".
[12:26] <javaJake> ruben_, if you don't have a problem in Kubuntu, or you don't want to help anyone with Kubuntu, visit #kubuntu-offtopic
[12:26] <Sanne> Gonohov: ok, what about this script? Is it a text file?
[12:27] <ruben_> bye gikid
[12:27] <Gonohov> Sanne: Yes, it is. Now I try to open it with nano. Where should I look?
[12:27] <ruben_> i dont know gonohov
[12:27] <Sanne> Gonohov: I don't know, that's why I would like to have a look too ;). Can you paste it to paste.ubuntu-nl.org?
[12:28] <steffen> Dragnslcr: that didnt help. sorry
[12:28] <ruben_> i dont know linux
[12:28] <Dragnslcr> steffen- weird. Amarok should support ogg by default
[12:28] <Gonohov> Sanne: Yes, of course. Now I'm opening it. Please wait a little...
[12:28] <ruben_> i m beginner with linux
[12:29] <jon_> javajake i cannot ping the vnc server
[12:29] <javaJake> ruben_, yes, do you have a problem? If you do, you should ask people. If you don't ask you will not get an answer
[12:29] <jon_> it says it is not permitted
[12:29] <javaJake> jon_, ah, now _that_ is a problem.
[12:29] <javaJake> Permitted?
[12:29] <javaJake> Can you post the message?
[12:29] <ruben_> ohh, ok, javajake
[12:29] <ruben_> no problem
[12:29] <ruben_> i shut up my mouth
[12:30] <jon_> PING 192.168.1.180 (192.168.1.180) 56(84) bytes of data.
[12:30] <jon_> ping: sendmsg: Operation not permitted
[12:30] <jon_> ping: sendmsg: Operation not permitted
[12:30] <jon_> it keeps doing that
[12:30] <javaJake> Wow, that's strange
[12:30] <ruben_> i thought that that is a chat
[12:30] <ruben_> but i was to mix up
[12:31] <javaJake> ruben_, not on this channel. Channels are about specific topics. This one is about getting a Kubuntu problem solved.
[12:31] <ruben_> ohhh, i understand
[12:31] <Sanne> ruben_: this is the help channel. The general chat and socializing is in #kubuntu-offtopic.
[12:31] <ruben_> sorry
[12:31] <ruben_> sorry sorry
[12:31] <steffen> Dragnslcr: it doesn't start and i have tryed pressing play, but nothing happens. the size of the ogg file is 16MB
[12:31] <ruben_> but i m new for me
[12:31] <ruben_> this is new for me
[12:31] <javaJake> OK, we get it. Start asking, helping, or please leave. :)
[12:32] <ruben_> ok, i understand
[12:32] <ruben_> i have a problem
[12:32] <Dragnslcr> steffen- does the timer start and you just don't get any sound, or does it not start at all?
[12:32] <ruben_> i have a laptop with a web cam integreat
[12:32] <Faber-it> that's big problem
[12:32] <jon_> how do i get it to be able to ping the other computer?
[12:33] <ruben_> my computer is the 2125 la
[12:33] <javaJake> jon_, http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?t=307848
[12:33] <ruben_> the hewlett packard
[12:33] <ruben_> and i can't see the web cam
[12:34] <javaJake> jon_, nvm - "Thanks for all your helps...!!! The firewall Shorewell was enabled and I stopped it and immediately I could ping both ways." was the answer in that thread
[12:34] <ruben_> and, my version of linux is the feisty of kubuntu
[12:35] <ruben_> but i have a problem
[12:35] <ruben_> the configuration of web cam said me that
[12:35] <jon_> so you think one of the firewalls is stopping it and that is why vnc wont work?
[12:35] <ruben_> i have a router or i dont know
[12:35] <Gonohov> Sanne: so I copied the file into clipboard - where should I paste it? I'm sorry, but I forgot the destination...
[12:36] <javaJake> jon_, quite possibly. The impression I get is the interface is down when you get this error, or incorrectly configured
[12:36] <javaJake> jon_, did you catch taht? :)
[12:36] <steffen> Dragnslcr: when i press play there is 3sec pause and then it looks like it have stoped.
[12:36] <Sanne> Gonohov: paste.ubuntu-nl.org
[12:36] <Gonohov> Sanne: Thanks a lot!
[12:37] <jon_> yes
[12:37] <internet_> hi
[12:37] <ruben_> hi internet
[12:37] <jon_> i have a couple other problems if you are able to help me
[12:38] <javaJake> jon_, I might be able to
[12:38] <jon_> is there a way to get pidgin in the package manager? i tried to install it on my own and had nothing but problems
[12:38] <javaJake> jon_, you should notice that i got the above information using Google. I merely googled the error, and I got a bunch of threads about that error.
[12:38] <ruben_> i beleave that i have a problem with the web cam integrated in my portable computer but nobody wanna help me
[12:39] <javaJake> jon_, I have not tried to get pidgen. I've stuck with Gaim myself.
[12:39] <jon_> ok, i have been researching for days, maybe just looking up the wrong stuff
[12:39] <jon_> ok
[12:39] <javaJake> ruben_, can you post any information abotu the camera?
[12:39] <jon_> i tried to do ./configure and it has errors
[12:39] <ruben_> ok, the problem is that i don t know how is it
[12:39] <javaJake> jon_, oh, the ol' compile method, eh? :)
[12:39] <Gonohov> Sanne: I've pasted it here
[12:40] <ruben_> the order is the lsusb?
[12:40] <Gonohov> Sanne: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/20731/
[12:40] <ruben_> in the terminal?
[12:40] <javaJake> ruben_, possibly, but is it actually built into your laptop?
[12:40] <ruben_> yes
[12:40] <javaJake> ruben_, then it won't be lsusb - that is for USB devices
[12:40] <ruben_> my laptop is the hp 2125 la
[12:40] <Sanne> Gonohov: looking. Btw, I just found in the wiki page about lucent that there's a driver already in the repositories. Did you try that one?
[12:40] <ruben_> dv2125 la
[12:41] <ruben_> but i am noviced with linux
[12:41] <ruben_> and my version is the kubuntu feisty
[12:41] <jon_> my friend told me i needed a certain library, adept said that library was not installed so i installed it, then it said it could not commit, then said the package was broken, i selected remove which said deleting beryl, deleting emerald, etc. after restarting beryl does not work, it appears to be gone
[12:41] <Gonohov> Sanne: No, if it works and I do not need to compile - I will be happy as at that day when I passed my phD exams!
[12:41] <javaJake> ruben_, I have to run... your best bet is to find out what your camera really is instead of what the manufacturer tells you, and then to see if there's a driver for that. Someone else should be able to help you.
[12:42] <wolferine> anyone able to help me setup my proftpd to view my NFS shares?
[12:42] <Search4Lancer> meh, you're better off without beryl anyway :-D
[12:42] <jon_> i am back to basic gnome, by the way, i installed gnome, xgl, and beryl and all that
[12:42] <Sanne> Gonohov: ok, then let's find out about it before we do it the hard way ;). I'll give you the wiki page, you try to follow it, and if you get stuck, you shout. Ok? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DialupModemHowto/Lucent
[12:42] <ruben_> ok, i tried to install the drivers, but the computer tell me that i have a firewall
[12:42] <ruben_> and the picture is white
[12:43] <ruben_> in the amsn
[12:43] <ruben_> i can to the recived but i cant to send my picture
[12:43] <Gonohov> Sanne: I'm extremely sorry for have consumed your time, but your help is great. Thank you, I'll try it out.
[12:44] <ruben_> i dont know if you understand me
[12:44] <Sanne> Gonohov: no worries, I'm glad to help :)
[12:44] <ruben_> my english is very bad
[12:44] <ruben_> i know
[12:45] <Gonohov> Sanne: I will try it when I get to my PC at home. Something tells me that my pain is over :)
[12:45] <Sanne> Gonohov: here's help with this scanmodem tool: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DialupModemHowto/ScanModem
[12:45] <Sanne> Gonohov: heh, ok, good luck :)
[12:45] <The_Un-Named> ruben_, does it need to be amsn? GAIM(it's Pigeon now) and Kopete are perfect msn replacements
[12:46] <ruben_> but, the web cam too?
[12:46] <cpk1> kopete can use a webcam
[12:46] <The_Un-Named> Kopete has webcam support
[12:46] <ruben_> ohhhh, i dont know
[12:46] <ruben_> i always to used the amsn
[12:47] <Gonohov> Sanne: Thanks again for your help.
[12:47] <Sanne> you're welcome, Gonohov :)
[12:47] <ruben_> i can recived the picture, but i can't send my picture
[12:48] <ruben_> ok, i tried the next time
[12:48] <ruben_> thanks you, if i have a  problem, i come here
[12:48] <ruben_> thaks
[12:48] <ruben_> i go to sleep
[12:48] <ruben_> that, this is at 1 oclock, am
[12:48] <aro> ADIOS
[12:48] <wolferine> anyone able to help me setup my proftpd to view my NFS shares?
[12:48] <ruben_> adios aro
[12:49] <aro> ruben
[12:49] <ruben_> thanks you aro
[12:49] <aro> entre #ubuntu-es
[12:49] <ruben_> i hope that you to rest tonight
[12:49] <ruben_> no se si se dice asi
[12:49] <ruben_> pero que descanses
[12:49] <aro> hablo espanol un poco, lo siento
[12:49] <aro> no mucho
[12:49] <ruben_> no mucho
[12:49] <ruben_> no pasa nada
[12:50] <ruben_> ok
[12:50] <ruben_> no problem
[12:50] <ruben_> aro, my msn is esp:
[12:50] <ruben_> esp_ruben@hotmail.com
[12:50] <aro> ruben you can join the channel #ubuntu-es
[12:50] <nalioth> !es
[12:50] <aro> en espanol
[12:50] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[12:50] <ruben_> gracias
[12:51] <ruben_> ok, good night
[12:51] <ruben_> my fried
[12:51] <ruben_> friend
[12:51] <aro> buenos noches
[12:51] <ruben_> buenas noches aro
[12:51] <ruben_> y gracias
[12:51] <aro> de nada
[12:51] <ruben_> que descanses
[12:52] <ruben_> have you to rest tonight
[12:52] <aro> y tu
[12:52] <ruben_> thank you very much
[12:52] <ruben_> bye
[12:52] <ruben_> i go to spleep right now
[12:53] <ruben_> sleep sorry
[12:53] <ruben_> bye
[12:57] <wolferine> how can I login as a different user?
[12:57] <wolferine> login doesnt work
[01:00] <|lostbyte|> su <user>
[01:00] <|lostbyte|> wolferine, ^
[01:01] <mike_> can someone help me install java runtime environment (JRE)
[01:01] <jmichaelx> i have a really dumb question....  i am wanting to simply copy some files from an external hard drive to a blank, formatted floppy. hoe the heck do i do that?
[01:02] <wolferine> thanks lostbyte
[01:02] <jmichaelx> do i need to somehow manually mount the floppy?
[01:02] <wolferine> do you?
[01:03] <Sanne> mike_: there's sun-java6-jre in the repositories (in multiverse).
[01:03] <jmichaelx> mike_: you just need to enable the correct repo, and apt-get install
[01:03] <strabes> How can i configure firestarter to let me seed torrents with ktorrent? I just dowloaded an entire torrent but haven't uploaded anything and I think it's because of firestarter.
[01:03] <mike_> jmichaelx how do i do that?
[01:04] <Sanne> mike_: here's the wiki page, should help you: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java
[01:04] <jon_> i am trying to get vnc to work with my firewalls, can someone help me?
[01:04] <mefisto__> can I make the default mouse theme (the one X starts with at login screen) match the default kubuntu mouse theme?
[01:08] <semistud2354> does anyone know what package i need to get times new roman font
[01:08] <semistud2354> im using fiesty, kubuntu
[01:08] <jmichaelx> i have a really dumb question....  i am wanting to simply copy some files from an external hard drive to a blank, formatted floppy. how the heck do i do that?
[01:08] <mike_> Sanne: i really dont understand the wiki page . Can you help me install it? im brand new to Kubuntu Edgy 6.10
[01:08] <jmichaelx> sorry guys, didn't mean to repost in here
[01:09] <mefisto__> semistud2354: mscorefonts, or something like that, installs the microsoft fonts
[01:09] <Sanne> mike_: sure, let me open the page again
[01:09] <mike_> Sanne: okay thanks! =] 
[01:09] <jon_> i am a newbie but i got times new roman by just copying the file from my windows installation
[01:10] <Sanne> mike_: ok, first I guess you need to know what "managing repositories" means?
[01:10] <mike_> i have no clue what that is
[01:10] <semistud2354> thanx for the info guys
[01:11] <mike_> Sanne: Whats Managing Repositories?
[01:12] <Sanne> mike_: I'm giving you pages to read and follow. Please try it, and if you get stuck, just shout ;). First, read this introduction, then follow the link to "Managing Repositories in Kubuntu" and follow the procedure to enable universe and multiverse.
[01:12] <Sanne> mike_: oh, the link!
[01:12] <mike_> okay
[01:12] <Sanne> mike_: here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories
[01:13] <mefisto__> semistud2354: msttcorefonts installs ms truetype fonts, including times new roman
[01:13] <Sanne> mike_: and if youneed me, please type my name so my chat client notifies me about being spoken to.
[01:13] <mike_> Sanne: okay thanks
[01:13] <semistud2354> thanx mefisto
[01:14] <Sanne> mike_: tell me if you need me, or when you're done with that.
[01:14] <semistud2354> it works
[01:14] <jmichaelx> you would think that copying files to a floppy would be no major feat...
[01:15] <wolferine> anyone able to help me setup my proftpd to view my NFS shares?
[01:17] <cathal_> hey, i just got a message on my laptop saying 'the batter has been removed', ah obviously it hasnt, anyone know what the issue might be?
[01:17] <cathal_> *battery
[01:18] <jmichaelx> !floppy
[01:18] <ubotu> To mount floppy disks, see here : https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MakeFloppyDriveAvailableToEveryone
[01:20] <The_Un-Named> !help
[01:20] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[01:20] <The_Un-Named> ooh didn't know about this
[01:28] <marcelpres> hy all
[01:28] <wolferine> anyone able to help me setup my proftpd to view my NFS shares?
[01:39] <jose___> ola pessoal alguem saber como instalar o Latex para LINUX
[01:45] <Sanne> mike_: how's it going with the repositories?
[01:45] <Sanne> oh. gone already.
[01:45] <semistud2354> im interested in playing some snes and nintendo 64 games...doesn anyone know any good emulators
[01:46] <semistud2354> for fiesty, kubuntu
[01:46] <intelikey> snes9x-x - X binaries for snes9x - Super NES Emulator
[01:47] <stdin> zsnes - Emulator of the Super Nintendo Entertainment System (TM)
[01:47] <semistud2354> whats better
[01:47] <stdin> try each
[01:47] <niall_> !fonts
[01:47] <ubotu> Font installation basics here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FontInstallHowto - No fonts in Flash? Install "msttcorefonts" (from !Multiverse), "gsfonts", and "gsfonts-x11". No fonts in MPlayer? see !MPlayer
[01:47] <niall_> !Multiverse
[01:47] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[01:47] <wolferine> ok, I want to share an nfs partition, but I dont understand premissions/owners/groups enough to troubleshoot, anyone willing to assist?
[01:48] <semistud2354> whats a good n64 emulator??????????
[01:48] <intelikey> nestra - Nintendo Entertainment System emulator
[01:48] <intelikey> snes9express - GTK+ front-end for snes9x
[01:48] <intelikey> not nesseccerily fo the last Q
[01:49] <semistud2354> whats a good nintendo 64 emulator?
[01:50] <stdin> semistud2354: we just told you, twice
[01:50] <semistud2354> snes9express plays n64 gams
[01:51] <semistud2354> ??
[01:51] <stdin> !info snes9express
[01:51] <ubotu> snes9express: GTK+ front-end for snes9x. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1.42-5 (feisty), package size 385 kB, installed size 764 kB
[01:51] <stdin> !info snes9x
[01:51] <ubotu> Package snes9x does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[01:51] <intelikey> !info snes9x-x
[01:51] <nimble> http://mupen64.emulation64.com/ could try that
[01:51] <ubotu> snes9x-x: X binaries for snes9x - Super NES Emulator. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1:1.5-1 (feisty), package size 666 kB, installed size 2500 kB
[01:56] <wolferine> how do I change the owner/permissions of an nfs share?
[01:56] <wolferine> do I have to do it on the remote box?
[01:57] <stdin> !nfs
[01:57] <ubotu> nfs is the network file system. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SettingUpNFSHowTo for information on installing and configuring NFS.
[01:57] <stdin> don't use NFS myself, but that link may help
[01:57] <niall_> how do I terminate a session?
[01:57] <intelikey> session of what ?
[01:58] <niall_> a user session
[01:58] <intelikey> logout
[01:58] <niall_> I feel like an idiot now :P
[01:58] <wolferine> i really dont need a link
[01:58] <wolferine> but thanks
[01:59] <intelikey> niall_ if it's a console shell   'exit' also does the same thing
[02:00] <intelikey> niall_ if it's an x session  ctrl+alt+backspace  will achieve that end as well
[02:01] <intelikey> if you're not scared of the dark    alt+sysRQ+E  will end all sessions.
[02:01] <intelikey> not for the novice of course  ^
[02:02] <intelikey> only slightly less envasive is   sudo killall5
[02:02] <intelikey> but that of course would not achieve a logout
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[02:03] <wolferine> how do I change the owner/permissions of an nfs share? do I have to do it on the remote box?
[02:04] <intelikey> wolferine did you try chown/chmod ?
[02:04] <kris> hello
[02:04] <wolferine> intelikey, on the local dir, yes
[02:05] <intelikey> wolferine and i'm sure you would need root access on the box the fs actually lives on.
[02:05] <wolferine> ok
[02:05] <intelikey> whether you do it remotely or locally
[02:05] <wolferine> which I do have
[02:05] <wolferine> well, I cannot chmod/chown on the local box, for the nfs share
[02:05] <intelikey> beyond that.   i'm network illiterate
[02:05] <Ireclan> I have a question about KOffice...
[02:06] <wolferine> ah
[02:06] <wolferine> ok, well thanks anyways
[02:06] <intelikey> wolferine np
[02:07] <Ireclan> If I download all the applications integrated into KOffice, plus the KOffice package, will I have a correct install?
[02:07] <carutsu> hello does anyone know 1)Why openoffice doesnt seem to see the special printers that came with kubuntu (such as pdf and_fax_), and 2) How can i install OOo dictionaries without the assistant couse it crashes OOo
[02:07] <carutsu> Ireclan: yes KOffice package is only a metapackage
[02:08] <intelikey> carutsu if you use the package manager and install koffice you will have a "correct install" of koffice
[02:08] <Ireclan> carutsu: What is a meta package?
[02:08] <carutsu_> !metapackage
[02:08] <ubotu> A meta-package is a package that simply depends upon other packages and brings them in. It's not a real package, but a very useful package that can drag in other package versions.
[02:08] <intelikey> one that has no files really it only depends on other packages
[02:09] <carutsu_> good it took me 3 tries xD
[02:09] <carutsu_> !metapackage|ireclan
[02:09] <ubotu> ireclan: A meta-package is a package that simply depends upon other packages and brings them in. It's not a real package, but a very useful package that can drag in other package versions.
[02:09] <carutsu_> ireclan got it?
[02:09] <Ireclan> Eeeek....Sounds like I'm in for a big download...
[02:10] <carutsu_> Ireclan: not too big they are quite good  compressed
[02:10] <carutsu_> does anyone know 1)Why openoffice doesnt seem to see the special printers that came with kubuntu (such as pdf and_fax_), and 2) How can i install OOo dictionaries without the assistant couse it crashes OOo ? i dont know if it was posted
[02:10] <Ireclan> carutsu: Yeah...Ummm....Can I download them one-by-one? I'm on dial-up...
[02:10] <carutsu_> Ireclan: yes
[02:10] <intelikey> that one portion is somewhat misleading imo  "It's not a real package" <<<  gives the illusion that it's something it isn't     or that it's not something it is, maybe i should say.
[02:10] <BluesKaj> why don't hey call it a "collection of pkgs instead of a pkg ...they confuse ppl again with an unfortunate choice of terms
[02:11] <luca> hi everyone
[02:11] <carutsu_> mmm it's not a package per se, because it doesnt do anything
[02:11] <carutsu_> it doesnt install anything either
[02:11] <luca> does someone know how to have internet-based applications NOT starting up and complaining if the internet is not available at startup?
[02:12] <carutsu_> luca starting up? 1)Close them before shutting down otherwise the session saves it or 2)Make it doesnt save a session so when you turn off and turn back on you'll have a "clean" boot
[02:12] <carutsu_> !session
[02:12] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about session - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:13] <carutsu_> luca: got it?
[02:13] <luca> carutsu: I have them starting up at beginning of session (which is not saved) intentionally
[02:13] <intelikey> luca one possable option would be to set them all for offline use and then save your session, have kde load that saved session at start time.   thus they would all default to offline use.
[02:13] <BluesKaj> !start
[02:13] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about start - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:14] <carutsu_> then i can't see other choice than set them in 'offline' mode
[02:14] <luca> is not there any other way? right now I move the contents of the ~/.kde/Autostart folder every time I know I have to go somewhere I do not have internet access
[02:14] <luca> (I am using a laptop)
[02:15] <carutsu_> i can't think any other, i mean they aree trying to get internet acces if it is not avalible is obvious they will complain
[02:15] <intelikey> carutsu_ you could script it.   write a small shell script that does some minor network test and if up start this session else start that session...
[02:16] <intelikey> this is linux.  there is always a way
[02:16] <ben_jb157> Anyone know how to enable the zoom/fade effect that happens when a desktop icon is clicked in kubuntu on another distro?
[02:16] <carutsu_> intelikey: mmm, well might be, but anyway they will complain if they have no internet acces
[02:16] <luca> not if they do not start
[02:17] <luca> well problem is I cannot write scripts :-/ I guess I will have to learn someday then :D
[02:17] <intelikey> carutsu_ not if they start in offline mode.    that's what i'm saying.   have two saved sessions.  one for offline one for connected and let the startup script check which to load.
[02:18] <intelikey> luca a shell script is this simple.     anything you can do from the command line you can put in a file and run it.
[02:18] <benkong2> hey all! Happy mothers day
[02:19] <carutsu_> intelikey: ok, howver just a question based on what will you chose which session?
[02:19] <luca> uhm okay but i am not able to tell a shell to check if there is internet connection
[02:19] <benkong2> I got a problem trying to change my sources.list I used this list http://3v1n0.tuxfamily.org/blog/?page_id=13
[02:19] <intelikey> carutsu_ i haven't played with it but i'm sure dcop can handle that
[02:20] <carutsu_> actually if you are using knetworkmanager you will boot before the conection is made
[02:20] <luca> and also, it must allow for some lag - after all, when I startup, usually knetworkmanager asks for the kdewallet password and then will try to connect, which can take a minute or to
[02:20] <luca> carutsu yes my point exactly
[02:20] <benkong2> now I am trying to grep the output for just the missing keys so I did aptitude update |grep NO_PUBKEY >> missing.keys but They are not there
[02:20] <benkong2> what's wrong?
[02:20] <intelikey> luca "ntpdate pool.ntp.org && echo connected || echo offline "
[02:20] <carutsu_> you then should conect using iptables or something
[02:20] <luca> ehm. Not an IT student here :$
[02:21] <khatahn> anyone managed to get the kmplayer plugin in konqueror to play the videos in stage6.divx.com ?
[02:21] <carutsu_> intelikey: but the conection must be made before, so he should do it in the command line
[02:21] <dope> when my screen saver comes on the PCM setting in my mixer goes to 50%.  why?
[02:21] <carutsu_> intelikey: right?
[02:22] <intelikey> carutsu if the question is how to bring up the network before kde starts  then yes.   if the question is as first stated  "howto keep apps from whining about no connection" then you just start them in offline mode if the connection is not up.
[02:23] <intelikey> have we changed the desired end ?
[02:24] <carutsu_> intelikey: yes but the conection should be made before, ask for his network if it was stablished start them in online mode if its not in home (hence no conetion) start offline'
[02:24] <luca> carutsu: yep
[02:24] <luca> I guess it is also one of the aims in KDE4 - one of their main projects
[02:25] <carutsu_> luca: it's tricky but quite nice must tell you but one thing more, it will increse your boot time for a couple of seconds couse you will have to wait for the conection to be made
[02:25] <carutsu_> am i right? intelikey
[02:26] <luca> carutsu_ I do not care, now I lose twenty second or more closing annoying popups warning me that there is no connection - which I already know ;)
[02:26] <carutsu_> luca: nice then
[02:26] <intelikey> ecerything started at boot has the potential of lengthening the boot time.
[02:27] <luca> yep I know but as I stated...this problem robs me of much time
[02:27] <carutsu_> luca: then you'll be happy
[02:27] <luca> ok then - how to do this? :)
[02:27] <kray> can you enable desktop effects is Kubuntu?
[02:28] <luca> kray: yeah, but I advise using beryl instead
[02:28] <intelikey> luca another and possably more feesable method would be to simply pause the startup of the apps.   rather than a symlink to "gaim"  (example only)   srite a script that does this.    "sleep 10 ;gaim "    thus it will be sleeping while you bring up the network.
[02:28] <luca> kray: compiz-kde is hopelessly bggy
[02:28] <kray> hmm i tried Beryl on ubuntu and it wasn't very stable
[02:29] <intelikey> s/srite/write/
[02:29] <luca> intelikey: ok, where do I find the instructions to write such a script? :)
[02:29] <intelikey> i just gave it to you.
[02:29] <luca> oh ok
[02:29] <kray> so back to ubuntu if I want effects or use buggy Beryl?
[02:29] <luca> kray: yep I fear so
[02:29] <kray> :/
[02:30] <luca> intelikey so I just write a text file with sleep 10 ;(application command) put it in the Autostart directory and make executable?
[02:30] <kray> does anyone else find Beryl buggy or is it just me?
[02:31] <luca> kray: it IS buggy but still functions quite well for my purposes
[02:31] <luca> kray: it was, as compiz is, a GNOME project, so it does not function very well in KDE
[02:31] <kray> figures
[02:32] <luca> kray: for KDE 4 (released in October) they are writing something similar for KDE
[02:32] <kray> i prefer KDE so much more over Gnome
[02:32] <luca> kray: first betas out in June/July
[02:32] <kray> i'll look forward to it. thanks
[02:32] <luca> me too, but for the moment, Beryl is the only feasible option
[02:32] <luca> for desktop effects I mean
[02:32] <carutsu_> luca: you mean the kwin effects? those are nice
[02:32] <intelikey> luca this would be a one script fix for all of them.   do   ls -l ~/.kde/Autostart/     and move all those links to something like   ~/.delayed/     then in  ~/.kde/Autostart/  put this    { sleep 20 ;for Q in ~/.delayed/* ;do $Q ;done ; } &        and make it executable.
[02:32] <luca> carusu_ yes
[02:32] <kray> I thought it was my Nvidia card drivers giving it problems, but after reading a bit, i guess its Beryl
[02:33] <luca> ok!
[02:33] <luca> kray it definitely IS beryl :)
[02:33] <luca> in any case go hunting for kwin on youtube
[02:33] <kray> thats a shame
[02:33] <luca> if you want screenshots
[02:33] <kray> k
[02:33] <luca> hey, just two months of waiting
[02:34] <luca> and I guess we KDE users will have it stable sooner than GNOME ones
[02:34] <carutsu_> luca: well if you ask my opinion it will be quite nice some efects with stability, although I would have made some way to get the special efects from beryl instead, why bother rewriting them?
[02:34] <Admiral_Chicago> !offtopic
[02:34] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[02:34] <luca> sorry Admiral ;)
[02:35] <intelikey> luca  note the  "put this" ^   is a text file containing the string.  you can name it anything.    jsut for clarity.
[02:35] <carutsu_> er sorry although no one has asked anything, well I will, can anyone help me install dictionaries for OOo
[02:35] <carutsu_> the wizard crashes it
[02:35] <luca> ok doing it right now
[02:36] <intelikey> luca if there is a link in there that starts the network leave it in ~/.kde/Autostart    that's what you want to happen and everything else is delayed.
[02:36] <luca> intelikey the string to put in the .txt file is: { sleep 20 ;for Q in ~/.delayed/* ;do $Q ;done ; } &
[02:36] <luca> right?
[02:36] <intelikey> you may need to adjust the time of the sleep command.   i picked 20 seconds out of my hat.
[02:37] <intelikey> luca yes
[02:37] <intelikey> a few test runs and you can tell how much time to give it;
[02:38] <luca> ok is there any way I can eventually stop the script from activating the things in the delayed folder?
[02:38] <luca> I mean, if I know that there are no ways I am gonna get connected in a particular spot
[02:38] <marcelpres> hy
[02:38] <marcelpres> can you help?
[02:38] <intelikey> luca move them out of the folder.      it only activates things in that folder
[02:38] <marcelpres> me?
[02:38] <luca> ok good :)
[02:39] <carutsu_> anyone with dictionaries problems in OOo?
[02:39] <luca> marcelpres: state your problem :)
[02:39] <marcelpres> my notebook prints: "Failed to allocate mem resource...." (during boot)
[02:39] <luca> carutsu_ I usually install them from the adept_manager
[02:39] <luca> never given any problem
[02:39] <carutsu_> luca: er, what's the package name?
[02:39] <marcelpres> know anybody what is it?
[02:39] <luca> probably the installer crashes 'cause you do not run OOo as root
[02:39] <intelikey> marcelpres yuch.    dmesg  helpful ?
[02:39] <luca> uhm just a sec
[02:40] <carutsu_> luca: eh? as root but it will dounload it to ~ not OOo's directory
[02:40] <carutsu_> oh well
[02:40] <marcelpres> a moment please
[02:40] <luca> oh ok then
[02:40] <intelikey> marcelpres or is it panicing ?
[02:40] <luca> in any case if I am not mistaken
[02:41] <luca> the packages are the myspell ones
[02:41] <carutsu_> luca: let me try it
[02:41] <luca> also there are the openoffice.org-thesaurus packages which you could find useful :)
[02:42] <luca> ok then ;)
[02:42] <carutsu_> luca:
[02:42] <carutsu_> luca: even if i run as root it crashes it
[02:42] <carutsu_> just for the record
[02:43] <marcelpres> "PCI: Failed to allocate mem resource #6:10000@f4000000 for 0000:01:00.0"
[02:43] <luca> oh ok then the installer is very buggy for linux :D
[02:44] <carutsu_> luca: no thesaurus for spanish =_=
[02:44] <intelikey> hmmmm 1:0:0     [17179573.024000]  Boot video device is 0000:01:00.0     what vidio you got ?
[02:45] <intelikey> that's a vidio ram issue.  as best i can tell.   anyone more kernel wise please jump in.
[02:45] <luca> carutsu_ sorry about that
[02:45] <luca> try looking in the site and maybe teh forums
[02:45] <luca> I am more lucky, the Italian one is at disposal
[02:45] <intelikey> marcelpres   ati ?
[02:45] <carutsu_> luca: oh well, i must tell you is weird it used to happen on 2.0.4 but in 2.1 was solved now is back
[02:45] <marcelpres> I have VIA VN800 chipset
[02:46] <luca> in any case, the myspell dictionary for spanish should function, right?
[02:46] <intelikey> k let me do a little looking.
[02:46] <luca> try install it then run OOo and check for installed dictionaries
[02:46] <luca> if you need it only for spellchecking, the myspell should be enough I think :D
[02:47] <marcelpres> sorry but Im beginner
[02:47] <marcelpres> n I dont speak english :)
[02:48] <carutsu_> !en
[02:48] <ubotu> The #ubuntu, #kubuntu and #xubuntu channels are english only. For a complete list of channels in other languages, please visit http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat
[02:48] <carutsu_> xD
[02:49] <luca> parles tu franais, marcelpres? O espaol?
[02:50] <marcelpres> je ne parles pas francais:)
[02:50] <marcelpres> unfortunatelly i dont speak any langauges
[02:50] <carutsu_> the only thing i can say in french is "je ne parle pass francais" xD
[02:50] <carutsu_> same as marcelpres
[02:50] <marcelpres> (exept hungarian)
[02:50] <intelikey> !fr | marcelpres
[02:50] <ubotu> marcelpres: Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[02:50] <marcelpres> except
[02:51] <intelikey> http://community.asplinux.ru/forum/6/9086/ marcelpres
[02:51] <intelikey> ?
[02:51] <carutsu_> !offtopic
[02:51] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[02:51] <carutsu_> xD
[02:51] <marcelpres> sorry
[02:51] <luca> uhm hungarian
[02:51] <BluesKaj> strange, i have 2 mplayer-plugins in about:pluins list , both are 3.3.1 versions , but one has a list longer than the other ...what gives ?
[02:51] <luca> !hn
[02:51] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about hn - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:52] <wolferine> need help view my NFS share (cannot see it when I connect via FTP)
[02:52] <BluesKaj> !hu
[02:52] <ubotu> Magyar nyelv segtsget az #ubuntu-hu csatornn tall
[02:52] <luca> there it was :)
[02:52] <luca> ok I am calling it quits
[02:52] <Bree> o.o
[02:52] <marcelpres> hm
[02:52] <luca> thanks for the help intelikey
[02:52] <marcelpres> thank you
[02:53] <luca> see you all
[02:53] <marcelpres> bye
[03:06] <Ireclan> Anyone here familiar with Python?
[03:06] <wolferine> i wish
[03:07] <wolferine> u use proftpd?
[03:07] <Ireclan> wolferine: Nope. Sorry.
[03:07] <wolferine> :)
[03:18] <Dragnslcr> Is there any way for alien on an amd64 system to convert an x86 rpm?
[03:18] <esunder> anyone familiar with dual monitors on kubuntu?
[03:20] <stdin> Dragnslcr: no, just use sudo dpkg --force-architecture -i package-i386.deb to install x86 packages
[03:21] <Dragnslcr> stdin- thanks, but that doesn't help me get the .deb
[03:25] <carutsu_> stdin: how can i remove a package and all its directories? currently if i uninstall something it leaves all kind of traces
[03:26] <HymnToLife> carutsu_, you could try    apt-get remove --purge packageName
[03:29] <carutsu_> ok
[03:30] <carutsu_> HymnToLife: if it's a metapackage it will remove it's dependencies, right?
[03:30] <HymnToLife> no
[03:30] <HymnToLife> they have apt-get autoremove for that
[03:31] <carutsu_> if i want to remove say openoffice then? apt-get autoremove openoffice.org?
[03:31] <carutsu_> damn i dont have the metapackage
[03:39] <wayl> #ubuntu-es
[03:41] <stealthy|lap|kub> ok
[03:41] <stealthy|lap|kub> is there any way to set up like a cutoff frequency for my sound?
[03:41] <stealthy|lap|kub> I've got a 5.1 system and it's getting annoying hearing the satellites try to play ranges they can't
[03:42] <stealthy|lap|kub> anyone?
[03:43] <BluesKaj> are you running the sats from the sub like most setups
[03:44] <stealthy|lap|kub> Yes.
[03:44] <carutsu_> does anyone know how to get the screensaver from boinc?
[03:44] <BluesKaj> obvious question , any EQ ?
[03:44] <stealthy|lap|kub> all default atm
[03:45] <stealthy|lap|kub> it's still doing nonos though, sounds like trash
[03:45] <BluesKaj> if you are using the alsa eq system you may have the bass end cranked too much for the sats to handle  it
[03:45] <maltaethiron> hey, when i try to 'sudo apt-get update', i get the error 'Could not get lock /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open
[03:45] <stealthy|lap|kub> alsa eq system?
[03:45] <maltaethiron> any help?
[03:46] <stealthy|lap|kub> You mean the trash bass/treble levels/
[03:46] <stealthy|lap|kub> ?
[03:46] <ben_jb157> maltaethiron, sorry i just joined what is your question
[03:47] <maltaethiron> when i try to 'sudo apt-get update', i get the error 'Could not get lock /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open
[03:47] <carutsu_> maltaethiron: check you have no adept windows open
[03:47] <carutsu_> if you dont then
[03:47] <carutsu_> !adept
[03:47] <ubotu> adept is the Kubuntu package manager. Howto: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AdeptHowto
[03:48] <carutsu_> !adept-crash
[03:48] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about adept-crash - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:48] <maltaethiron> so you think its a problem with adept?
[03:48] <ben_jb157> maltaethiron, are you running another instance of a package manager?
[03:48] <BluesKaj> sorry , I meant the amarok eq
[03:48] <carutsu_> mmm there was a command to unlock it
[03:48] <maltaethiron> im not
[03:48] <BenPA> hi all ... can anyone help me re-mount my new swap ... getting error can't find /dev/hda1 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
[03:48] <maltaethiron> i just edited my repositories via nano
[03:48] <maltaethiron> and now i cant update
[03:48] <ben_jb157> how about if you try aptitude update
[03:48] <maltaethiron> but they're valid repos
[03:48] <maltaethiron> i've been using them on all my linux machines
[03:49] <carutsu_> maltaethiron: however sometime there's a whitespace or something and it will prevent adept from runing
[03:49] <carutsu_> !adept lock
[03:49] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about adept lock - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:49] <ben_jb157> maybe using aptitude will give you a more detailed error message
[03:49] <carutsu_> damn there was a command
[03:50] <BluesKaj> !adept-lock
[03:50] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about adept-lock - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:50] <maltaethiron> carutsu: so i should check for a whitespace in the repos list?
[03:50] <BenPA> hi all ... can anyone help me re-mount my new swap ... getting error can't find /dev/hda1 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
[03:51] <BluesKaj> Unlocking The Package Manager 'sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a
[03:52] <carutsu_> BluesKaj: thank you that was it maltaethiron, also check your repos list are valid
[03:52] <maltaethiron> carutsu: ty
[03:53] <BenPA> hi all ... can anyone help me re-mount my new swap ... getting error can't find /dev/hda1 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
[03:55] <carutsu_> !fstab
[03:55] <ubotu> The /etc/fstab file indicates how drive partitions are to be used or otherwise integrated into the file system. See http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/fstab.html and !Partitions
[03:55] <carutsu_> BenPA: I'm afraid i will not be of help
[03:56] <stealthy|lap|kub> BluesKaj: nope
[03:56] <stealthy|lap|kub> no eq
[04:01] <maltaethiron> hey, i still cant sudo apt-get update
[04:02] <maltaethiron> here's the full error:
[04:02] <maltaethiron> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[04:02] <maltaethiron> E: Unable to lock the list directory
[04:02] <carutsu_> are you runing it sudo?
[04:02] <maltaethiron> yeah
[04:03] <carutsu_> maltaethiron: mmm, weird
[04:03] <maltaethiron> i know right?
[04:03] <maltaethiron> a little frustraiting
[04:04] <carutsu_> maltaethiron: double check your sources.list and erase any non-kubuntu lines
[04:04] <carutsu_> then try again, if that solves it then there must be something wrong with your new sources, misspelled most likelly
[04:05] <maltaethiron> even the comments?
[04:07] <carutsu_> maltaethiron: no, comments doesnt metter
[04:07] <maltaethiron> i mean, it shouldnt be a problem with my repos at all, it doesnt even ask me for my password when i run the command
[04:07] <Teknoenie> hi all
[04:08] <carutsu_> mmm, I'm afraid that's the only case i have had that problem, mmm, may be someone else might think something else
[04:08] <carutsu_> mmm
[04:08] <maltaethiron> carutsu: you think i might be able to get help in the ubuntu channel?
[04:08] <Teknoenie> i have a rather quick question for a shell scripter out there.  I'd like to take the output of ypcat -k group |grep -i groupname and grep the NIS password database for that name.. any takers?
[04:09] <carutsu_> maltaethiron: may be
[04:09] <carutsu_> maltaethiron: watch your running process do you see any instances of adept runing?
[04:09] <maltaethiron> .....how do i check my processes
[04:10] <carutsu_> ctrl+esc
[04:10] <carutsu_> maltaethiron: if so, try killing them, then runing the unlocker command someone gave you
[04:10] <carutsu_> maltaethiron: its normal, you weren't born runing linux
[04:10] <draik> How do I turn down the bright level on my computer?
[04:11] <carutsu_> Teknoenie: I'm by no way a shell scripter [yet]  but you have to pipeline them, no?
[04:11] <draik> I was playing with a game in Cedega and all of a sudden I come back to see my computer's all BRIGHT
[04:11] <carutsu_> Teknoenie: http://linux.about.com/od/commands/l/blcmdl2_pip.htm
[04:11] <maltaethiron> carutsu: should i kill apt-get if i see it in the processes
[04:11] <maltaethiron> ?
[04:11] <Teknoenie> yes, I'm looking for the proper pipe.  I can't seem to get it to work the way i'd like
[04:12] <carutsu_> maltaethiron: yes
[04:12] <carutsu_> maltaethiron: most likelly is what have blocked the lock directory
[04:12] <carutsu_> Teknoenie: sorry haven't done it before
[04:12] <carutsu_> draik: change the gamma bar in system>screen
[04:12] <draik> Everything is so bright.
[04:13] <maltaethiron> carutsu: i have "insufficient permission" so kill apt-get
[04:13] <draik> Thank you ... ummm... I'm sorry, I can't make out a name
[04:13] <cashvalentine^^> Which is the better dual core processor for Ubuntu, AMD or Intel Duo 2?
[04:13] <carutsu_> well take the number of process
[04:13] <carutsu_> draik:  no problem, solved it?
[04:14] <carutsu_> maltaethiron: it's normal, take the PID then go to konsole and type "sudo kill PID"
[04:14] <BenPA> !mtab
[04:14] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mtab - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:14] <maltaethiron> carutsu: with PID being the number?
[04:14] <carutsu_> exactly PID means process ID
[04:14] <maltaethiron> gotcha
[04:15] <carutsu_> then try again
[04:15] <david2> Anyone know much about knetworkmanager?
[04:15] <carutsu_> david2: not at all, but post your proble
[04:15] <carutsu_> m
[04:15] <draik> SWEET
[04:15] <draik> Thank you carutsu_
[04:15] <carutsu_> solved?
[04:15] <draik> Yes
[04:15] <carutsu_> draik: no problem
[04:15] <david2> I just wont stay connected....
[04:16] <draik> My retinas thank you
[04:16] <carutsu_> draik: xD
[04:16] <carutsu_> david2: no error?
[04:16] <david2> like it disconnects when I go do something else
[04:16] <david2> from what it dont tell me sh*t
[04:16] <david2> connects but just doesn't stay that way
[04:16] <david2> and I'd have to reconnect manually
[04:17] <carutsu_> mmm, have you tried with another network?
[04:17] <carutsu_> maltaethiron: worked?
[04:17] <david2> Huh?
[04:17] <internet24> tyjuy
[04:18] <vit> hi
[04:18] <carutsu_> david2: yes, have you tried conecting any network other than that one
[04:18] <carutsu_> vit: hi
[04:18] <dezo> hy2
[04:18] <maltaethiron> well, apt-get worked that time carutsu, but i have a bunch of error and fails
[04:18] <david2> What other network would there be
[04:18] <david2> its just cable hhooked up to a wireless router
[04:18] <vit> niice to meet everybody
[04:19] <david2> I hate the cat 5 streamed eveywwhere in my appartment
[04:19] <vit> do you want to chat with me?
[04:19] <carutsu_> maltaethiron: er ok, we solved half issue
[04:19] <david2> Every other computer stays connected but this one
[04:19] <carutsu_> vit I'm afraid this is support, any chat should be made in #kubuntu-offtopic
[04:20] <vit> oh,i am sorry
[04:20] <carutsu_> david2: mm, can anyone help him, he can't stay conected
[04:21] <carutsu_> vit: no problem
[04:21] <Dragnslcr> Anybody know offhand what command is run and/or file is altered when you set monitor power saving in the system settings?
[04:21] <carutsu_> nop, try googling for it
[04:21] <david2> Doing so now
[04:21] <maltaethiron> !apt-get update
[04:21] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about apt-get update - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:22] <david2> been doing it for awhile
[04:22] <carutsu_> !apt-get
[04:22] <ubotu> APT is the Advanced Package Tool, which together with dpkg forms the basic Ubuntu package management toolkit. Short apt-get manual: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptGetHowto - Also see !Synaptic (Gnome) or !Adept (KDE)
[04:22] <vit> i am a new user of kubuntu,i stalled kubuntu on my notebook
[04:23] <vit> but webcam does not work ,who can help me?
[04:23] <carutsu_> vit: nive you gave it a shot, have you liked it?
[04:23] <carutsu_> !webcam
[04:23] <ubotu> Instructions for using webcams with Ubuntu can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Webcam - Supported cams: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsMultimediaWebCameras
[04:24] <carutsu_> vit: and as an advice, you should google a bit before comming here, it'll save you time
[04:25] <carutsu_> !webcam|vit
[04:25] <ubotu> vit: Instructions for using webcams with Ubuntu can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Webcam - Supported cams: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsMultimediaWebCameras
[04:25] <vit> thanks
[04:25] <carutsu_> vit: no problem
[04:25] <carutsu_> maltaethiron: what's going on
[04:25] <carutsu_> ?
[04:26] <maltaethiron> im gonna pastebin the output of the command and my sources.list file
[04:26] <draik> What is the CLI command for the kernel and KDE version?
[04:26] <carutsu_> maltaethiron: ok
[04:26] <carutsu_> !CLI
[04:26] <ubotu> The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome) or K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE).  Guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingTheTerminal
[04:27] <carutsu_> draik: for the kernel? what do you want to know
[04:27] <draik> Why do I keep getting this every so often:   [CTCP]  Received Version request from freenode-connect.
[04:27] <draik> My current version
[04:27] <carutsu_> !kernel
[04:27] <ubotu> kernel is the core of the Ubuntu Operating System (named 'Linux') - see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel.  You shouldn't have to compile one, but if you're convinced you do, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelCustomBuild
[04:27] <maltaethiron> carutsu: ok, so when i decide to go to the internet, konqueror says "no sir"
[04:27] <carutsu_> maltaethiron: sorry?
[04:28] <draik> carutsu_: I want to know the command to use to view the current KDE and kernel version.
[04:28] <carutsu_> draik: have you recently instaled kubuntu?
[04:28] <draik> I am just curious.
[04:28] <maltaethiron> carutsu: lol...think the fact that this is installed on some sort of jacked up partition has anything to do with it?
[04:28] <draik> I am running edgy
[04:28] <BluesKaj> !Repositories
[04:28] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[04:29] <carutsu_> draik: uname -r
[04:31] <jordo23> I have a secondary internal hard drive that suddenly will not let me write to it (I can read the drive). The drive is using a fat32 file system and is listed to mount in fstab. I cannot for the life of me figure out why I cannot write to it. The permissions to the drive seem to be fine and it is "owned" by my user account....any ideas????
[04:32] <carutsu_> try doing a "kdesu konqueror" if you can write to it, then it's permission's problem
[04:34] <carutsu_> jordo23: try doing a "kdesu konqueror" if you can write to it, then it's permission's problem
[04:35] <jordo23> carutsu_: Yeah.....that way when looking up the drive I can write to it.....now what?
[04:37] <carutsu_> jordo23: check the files permisions in "System configuration">Advanced>Hard drives
[04:37] <carutsu_> somthing like that, im not runing an english system
[04:37] <stdin> Disk & Fileststems
[04:37] <jordo23> stdin: I am there now.....but don't see anything that applies...
[04:38] <stdin> make sure it's set to be writable
[04:39] <jordo23> stdin: Says it IS writable, but under "Security and Safety" it says root.....
[04:40] <stdin> where is it mounted to?
[04:40] <jordo23> stdin: Changed those entries to my user name and group and it seems to work right now.....
[04:40] <stdin> ahh, ok then :P
[04:40] <jordo23> stdin: thanks
[04:40] <stdin> if it works, then great :)
[04:41] <stdin> and thank carutsu_ too :)
[04:41] <carutsu_> stdin: :D
[04:45] <Coldwar55> anyone having problems with people wtih MSN messaging to kopete?
[04:46] <stdin> anyone using MSN isn't worth talking to
[04:46] <Coldwar55> -_-
[04:46] <Coldwar55> I didn't ask for that -_-
[04:46] <carutsu_> stdin: xD very rude from you
[04:46] <stdin> (meaning, I don't use it with kopete, so I have no problems there)
[04:47] <carutsu_> Coldwar55: no i do use it and i have no problems
[04:47] <Coldwar55> People say they are trying to message me
[04:47] <Coldwar55> and it says
[04:47] <Coldwar55> The following message could not be delivered to all recipients:
[04:48] <carutsu_> are you invisible or something?
[04:48] <Coldwar55> no
[04:48] <Coldwar55> online
[04:48] <Coldwar55> I can message them fine
[04:49] <mmHg> having a little trouble installing nvidia drivers.  No matter which method I use, I get "(EE) NVIDIA(0):  Failed to initialize the NVIDIA kernel module!" in my Xorg.0.log and X (of course) won't start.  Any ideas?
[04:50] <mmHg> running feisty btw - installing for a Geforce Fx-5500
[04:50] <stdin> Coldwar55: just did a search on launchpad for kopete bugs, didn't find anything to do with msn there
[04:50] <Coldwar55> hmm
[04:51] <stdin> mmHg: did you install nvidia-glx{-new,-legaxy} and the linux-restricted-modules package?
[04:52] <mmHg> stdin that was my first try.  When that didn't work I tried manually installing nvidia's drivers, and even tried the Envy program.  I get the same error whenever xorg.conf sets the driver to "nvidia" instead of "nv"
[04:53] <stdin> mmHg: did you make sure to uninstall the previously installed drivers before trying the next install?
[04:54] <mmHg> stdin I tried, but I'm not sure how to do a clean sweep of the drivers.  What's the best way to uninstall all of them?
[04:55] <stdin> mmHg: there should be an uninstall option with the script downloaded from nvidia, and with envy
[04:55] <intelikey> i sure do wish i knew how i did it....
[04:56] <stdin> mmHg: as for the package you can just remove the nvidia-glx package (and possibly the linux-restricted-modules one too)
[04:56] <juanbox4> mmHg if you want I can send you a guide (.txt file) so what your e-mail is too easy to use
[04:57] <mmHg> stdin running envy's deinstall script now
[04:57] <intelikey> i like the way this box works right now.  consoles automaticly deactivate when not in use, but i have no clue how i achieved that.  (not talking about pam and autologout)
[04:57] <mmHg> juanbox4 mmhg15@gmail.com will work
[04:58] <mmHg> stdin okay - envy's done
[04:58] <juanbox4> mmHg ok  sending
[04:58] <mmHg> stdin looks like everything is gone
[04:58] <carutsu_> if i want to open a program on boot, where should i add the line?
[04:59] <intelikey> !upstart
[04:59] <ubotu> Upstart is meant to replace the old Sys V Init system with an event-driven init model.  For more information please see: http://upstart.ubuntu.com/
[04:59] <carutsu_> thank you
[04:59] <intelikey> carutsu_ generally speaking  /etc/rc.local
[04:59] <carutsu_> excelent
[04:59] <carutsu_> intelikey: but what if is only for that user
[04:59] <carutsu_> ?
[04:59] <juanbox4> mmHg its in spanish do you need a translate?
[04:59] <Coldwar55> This is quite wierd
[05:00] <Coldwar55> Even gaim is having the rpboelm too
[05:00] <stdin> mmHg: now try the default nvidia-glx packages, also remove and reinstall the restricted modules (just to make sure)
[05:00] <mmHg> juanbox4 yes please
[05:00] <intelikey> then user specific stuff goes in the users home
[05:00] <juanbox4> mmHg check your mail
[05:00] <intelikey> !autostart | carutsu_
[05:00] <ubotu> carutsu_: To make programs autostart with your KDE session, you can make a link to it in ~/.kde/Autostart. The package 'kcontrol-autostart' makes a kcontrol item for handling items in that directory.
[05:00] <carutsu_> excelent
[05:00] <Coldwar55> Would it have anyything to do with me disabling ipv6?
[05:01] <mmHg> stdin do you know the package name for restricted modules ?   I'm getting a Couldn't find package error
[05:01] <intelikey> carutsu_ note the differance in "boot"  and  "login"   :)
[05:01] <carutsu_> intelikey: RIGHT! got it
[05:01] <stdin> carutsu_: it would be "linux-restricted-modules-(kernel version)", eg: linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20-15-generic
[05:02] <intelikey> while true that most people do want to login at boot time it is not nesseccary.   and the distinction should be made when asking for help.
[05:02] <mmHg> stdin thanks
[05:02] <carutsu_> stdin: scuse me?
[05:02] <carutsu_> intelikey: sorry had no idea
[05:02] <stdin> opps, damn tabs :p
[05:02] <HymnToLife> stdin, why (kernel version) when you can use $(uname -r) ? ;)
[05:02] <intelikey> just makes it easier if we are all speaking the same language
[05:03] <stdin> HymnToLife: same thing :)
[05:03] <mmHg> HymnToLife ha!  I knew there was a shortcut :p  thx
[05:04] <stdin> HymnToLife: or even $(cat /proc/version|awk '{print $3}')
[05:05] <levi-> Can anyone help me configureing Ndiswrapper and my Linksys speedbooster usb wifi adapter?
[05:06] <mmHg> stdin what's the difference btw generic and lowlatency restricted-modules?
[05:06] <HymnToLife> levi-, what's wrong with ndiswrapper and your Linksys speedbooster usb wifi adapter?
[05:06] <HymnToLife> mmHg, they're for the generic and lowlatency kernels, respectively ;)
[05:07] <levi-> hang on I have to transpose the errs from my laptop
[05:07] <mmHg> stdin how do I change my kernel from 386 to x86?
[05:07] <levi-> okay..
[05:08] <levi-> the doesnt install correctly
[05:08] <levi-> *driver*
[05:08] <stdin> mmHg: 386 is x86
[05:08] <HymnToLife> levi-, what does it do instead of installing correctly ?
[05:08] <stdin> mmHg: the -386 kernel is for older cpus, the -generic one is better with newer ones
[05:09] <stdin> mmHg: if you want the -generic one, then install the package "linux-generic"
[05:09] <intelikey> mmHg generic kernels in ubuntu 6.10+   are smp ready
[05:09] <levi-> it instals the driver improperly as the output in terminal puts it
[05:09] <steffen> can i change the screen size without restarting the computer?
[05:09] <HymnToLife> then most likely it's the wrong driver
[05:09] <levi-> from there, nothing else works
[05:09] <intelikey> steffen yes
[05:09] <levi-> No it isnt
[05:09] <steffen> intelikey: how?
[05:10] <levi-> i got it from linksys.com matched the picture for my device and whatnot
[05:10] <intelikey> steffen the gui way in the kmenu > system something
[05:10] <HymnToLife> the picture of the device means nothing...
[05:10] <levi-> I eneterd the model number to get that picture
[05:10] <levi-> blarg *entered*
[05:10] <intelikey> steffen the cli way   sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg    and ctrl+alt+backspace  to reset the gui.
[05:10] <steffen> intelikey: thx :)
[05:10] <mmHg> okay - applying changes.....fingers crossed!
[05:11] <intelikey> steffen also of note.  if you just need to zoom in try the    ctrl+alt+plus (number pad plus key)
[05:11] <stdin> steffen: "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg -phigh" would be better than "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg", you'll be asked less questions
[05:12] <intelikey> or -plow if you want the questions...
[05:12] <Cosmo__> my openoffice document I have spent hours on just closed and I didn't notice it, does openoffice autosave?
[05:13] <intelikey> should
[05:14] <levi-> !pastebin
[05:14] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[05:14] <levi-> sorry needed the link ;)
[05:14] <intelikey> it's in the topic too
[05:15] <angeldarkholme> hi guys ...sorry for the question....does anybody here knows if there is a way to save the animated emoticons in kopete to use them later?
[05:15] <intelikey> !emoticons
[05:15] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about emoticons - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:16] <angeldarkholme> thanks
[05:16] <intelikey> yeah i shot my self in the foot on that one...    thought there was an infonode on that
[05:16] <levi-> HymnToLife, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/20755/
[05:17] <levi-> thats what I get trying to install the driver
[05:18] <carutsu_> i have a small problem with alsamixer when i reboot there's only sound comming from the right speaker
[05:18] <intelikey> levi- i wouldn't think you would want it installed to  /home/levi/Desktop/Drivers/
[05:18] <levi-> Well Ijust threw the driver there to test it out
[05:19] <levi-> Idmove it later
[05:19] <levi-> any ideas though?
[05:19] <intelikey> k   i'll hush.    i failed at installing nvidia drivers for this box,  so better i stay out of it.
[05:19] <Cosmo__> wtf it just disapeared, I didn't close the program or anything
[05:19] <HymnToLife> levi-, did you install it with ndiswrapper -i ?
[05:20] <levi-> Yeah
[05:20] <levi-> Sorry I left that part out -.-
[05:20] <levi-> I retyped it.
[05:20] <HymnToLife> I need the output of ndiswrapper -l too then
[05:20] <levi-> kk
[05:20] <HymnToLife> and of lsusb, just to be sure
[05:20] <intelikey> Cosmo__ sounds like it crashed.    is it supposed to be a stable version or "latest build" ?
[05:21] <levi-> post iit here or pastebin?
[05:21] <intelikey> pastebin
[05:21] <intelikey> levi- general rule.  unless it's one line.  use the pastebin.
[05:23] <Cosmo__> intelikey: stable version I think, the one that came with fiesty
[05:23] <levi-> k
[05:23] <levi-> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/20756/
[05:23] <intelikey> Cosmo__ hmmmm well look on the launchpad for bug reports about it.
[05:24] <intelikey> !bug
[05:24] <ubotu> If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots
[05:24] <levi-> HymnToLife ^
[05:25] <jrabbit> how do I change the resoultion?
[05:25] <jrabbit> I've been looking WAY too long
[05:25] <levi-> *edited*
[05:25] <intelikey> !resolution
[05:25] <ubotu> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type  sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[05:26] <jrabbit> no for xinerama
[05:26] <jrabbit> <_
[05:26] <intelikey> oh dual head ?
[05:26] <jrabbit> yes... >_<
[05:27] <intelikey> !dualhead
[05:27] <ubotu> Information about dual-head on linux can be found on http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/DualHead - See also !Xinerama
[05:27] <intelikey> maybe there ^  not sure
[05:27] <jrabbit> do you know anything besides how to tell me off to a wiki?
[05:27] <intelikey> yeah a few things
[05:27] <jrabbit> !xinerama
[05:27] <ubotu> xinerama is an extension to !X to use two or more physical displays as one large virtual display. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/XineramaHowTo - See also !DualHead
[05:28] <HymnToLife> you most likely installed a wrong driver, see here for possibly correct ones : http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=225206
[05:29] <jrabbit> HymnToLife, it works fine
[05:29] <jrabbit> it works in gnome
[05:30] <intelikey> jrabbit i don't think that was for you.
[05:30] <jrabbit> oh
[05:30] <intelikey> jrabbit HymnToLife has been helping levi- with a driver problem.
[05:30] <jrabbit> oh
[05:30] <intelikey> but levi- seems to have desynced.
[05:31] <jrabbit> or hes messing with xorg :P
[05:31] <intelikey> could be.  :)     -:- SignOff levi-: #kubuntu (Remote closed the connection)
[05:32] <jrabbit> so theres no way to change the screen resoluton like in GNOME or Windows or any other system?
[05:33] <jrabbit> for xinerama to work its gotta expand the screen
[05:33] <jrabbit> splice the two
[05:33] <jrabbit> but I can't change the global res. in kde
[05:35] <intelikey> jrabbit you seem to be assuming tht because i can't tell you how that it can't be done.    nothing would be farther from true.
[05:36] <juanbox4> so mmHg it works?
[05:36] <mmHg> stdin okay I've got the right kernel, restricted modules, and the nvidia-glx package installed, but sudo nvidia-glx-config enable doesn't enable and when I manually change xorg.conf to show "nvidia" instead of "nv" I get my failed to load kernel module error again
[05:36] <mmHg> juanbox4 I only got the spanish instructions - did you send a translation?
[05:36] <jrabbit> lol
[05:36] <jrabbit> I've been looking myself
[05:36] <jrabbit> no real luck
[05:38] <Pupeno> Hello.
[05:38] <intelikey> OK WHO is good with dual head configs.    jrabbit would like some info.   !
[05:38] <mmHg> stdin any ideas?
[05:39] <Pupeno> I was running Kubuntu Edgy, then I've run Debian 4.0 for some days and now I am running Feisty. Now with Feisty, Kmail crashes on startup. Any ideas?
[05:39] <jrabbit> pupeno
[05:39] <jrabbit> run it in terminal
[05:39] <jrabbit> or konsole
[05:39] <levi-> Im haveing trouble burning the Feisty Iso
[05:39] <Pupeno> jrabbit: already doing that.
[05:40] <jrabbit> whats it return?
[05:40] <jrabbit> kmail -v?
[05:40] <jrabbit> version or verbose
[05:40] <Pupeno> This is all I get (that's meaningfull): QGArray::at: Absolute index 0 out of range.
[05:40] <jrabbit> try installing it again?
[05:40] <jrabbit> might fix
[05:40] <mantice> Could some one help me ? my Ktorrent crashes every time I leave my computer.
[05:40] <jrabbit> any updates waiting?
[05:41] <Pupeno> jrabbit: installing it again? I don't think that may achieve anything. No updates waiting.
[05:42] <mantice> Is there standby in kubuntu ? or any power saving things like turn hard drives off. I think this could be making KTorrent Crash
[05:43] <zhangkai> Why kubuntu 's amarok can't play mp3?
[05:44] <crimsun> zhangkai: install libxine1-ffmpeg
[05:45] <zhangkai> crimsun,use which source?
[05:45] <crimsun> zhangkai:      1.1.4-2ubuntu3 0
[05:45] <crimsun>         500 http://archive.ubuntu.com gutsy/universe Packages
[05:45] <stanley> guys my webcam image appears upside down
[05:45] <crimsun> so it'd be in feisty/universe
[05:45] <stanley> how do i fix it??
[05:45] <jrabbit> your on gusty? eep
[05:45] <crimsun> stanley: stand on your head.
[05:45] <crimsun> jrabbit: how else would a dev test his fixes?  :-)
[05:46] <stanley> crimsun: well that was intelligent
[05:46] <intelikey> quick Q   are any packages in "restricted" needed for installing the binary nvidia driver from the manufacture ?
[05:47] <crimsun> intelikey: if you intend to use the version distributed with K/ubuntu, then you need linux-restricted-modules-$(uname -r)
[05:48] <crimsun> stanley: in the absence of additional debugging information, that's the best I can do.
[05:48] <intelikey> i know that.   i mean the package from nvidia ?
[05:48] <stanley> ok thank u anyway
[05:48] <marconi> ola
[05:49] <mmHg> juanbox4 got the translation - working on it now
[05:49] <crimsun> stanley: (that means give us more info so we can help you ;-)
[05:49] <crimsun> intelikey: no, you likely want to uninstall that, even.
[05:50] <intelikey> i tried the package from the repos,   "it don't work"  :)
[05:51] <stanley> well i have it plugged in...i have not adjusted any settings or anything at all, n when i try using it in kopete it appears upside down
[05:52] <intelikey> big at the little & bottom at the top       wow way coll.
[05:52] <intelikey> cool
[05:58] <chaosite> hello.
[05:59] <chaosite> does the feisty DVD contain all of the main repository?
[05:59] <Hobbsee> i believe so
[06:00] <chaosite> awesome. Thanks.
[06:00] <intelikey> also the howto talks about enabling repos installing restricted modules and nvidia*glx but it assumes you will be using udev and mentions nothing of inserting a module,   i'm sure a modprobe command will be required for me but i don't know what to insert...
[06:01] <chaosite> intelikey: the module name for the nvidia driver is 'nvidia'... so modprobe nvidia.
[06:01] <chaosite> (but I just joined, I might have missed your actual question =P)
[06:02] <crimsun> intelikey: I was referring to uninstalling li
[06:02] <crimsun> arr
[06:02] <intelikey> chaosite we'll assume that's it until proven differently
[06:02] <crimsun> linux-restricted-modules-$(uname -r) if you're going to use the one(s) from Nvidia's site.
[06:03] <intelikey> crimsun hmmm   so i'll have to install that either way  eeh
[06:07] <intelikey> tty23 [root@~]  modprobe nvidia_legacy
[06:08] <intelikey> FATAL: Error inserting nvidia_legacy (/lib/modules/2.6.15-28-386/volatile/nvidia_legacy.ko): No such device
[06:08] <intelikey> now i remember why i can't get it to work.
[06:08] <intelikey> can't insert the module
[06:14] <intelikey> oh my.   i just inserted rivafb    after commenting out the blacklist line about it....
[06:18] <gilbert_> hello guys
[06:19] <gilbert_> my opera browser keeps crashing in heavy javascript pages..also with flash. is there any solution to this?
[06:23] <duffyd> hi, I think this may just be a general ubuntu issue but I can't seem to get my internet browsers to recognise any host entries I put in my /etc/hosts file - anyone having a similar issue?
[06:23] <intelikey> this is what the nvidia driver from the repos does for me   http://pastebin.us/35462
[06:23] <wayl> #ubuntu-es
[06:24] <duffyd> if I ping the host addresses they work fine but in the browser it doesn't recognise the changes
[06:24] <Rictoo> I'm bored
[06:24] <Rictoo> are there any cool games to play?
[06:24] <Rictoo> =/
[06:24] <intelikey> no
[06:24] <Rictoo> .....
[06:24] <intelikey> kolf ?
[06:25] <Rictoo> er
[06:25] <Rictoo> no
[06:25] <Rictoo> -.-
[06:26] <intelikey> duffyd i know nothing about networking.   sorry.
[06:26] <duffyd> np
[06:26] <duffyd> I might try #ubuntu too
[06:26] <intelikey> i can't even get nvidia drivers to work.
[06:26] <dsmith_> !autoclean
[06:26] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about autoclean - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:26] <dsmith_> ubotu broke
[06:26] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about broke - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:26] <dsmith_> oh its slow
[06:26] <kalorin`> intelikey
[06:26] <dsmith_> hello room
[06:26] <kalorin`> there'sa bunch of stuff you have to do iwth regards to building the kernel module
[06:27] <kalorin`> this is exactly what I've been saying for the last few weeks that hte ati and nvidia drivers are really not all that different iwth regards to hoops to make them work
[06:27] <intelikey> from the repos ?
[06:27] <kalorin`> oh talking about the ones you download
[06:27] <intelikey> no the repos modle
[06:27] <kalorin`> oh
[06:28] <kalorin`> yeah I prefer performance so I just use the ones from the manufacturer
[06:28] <kalorin`> everything I've read about them say usually 3-5x faster
[06:28] <kalorin`> and it's old habbit
[06:28] <intelikey> i'm not going to get any preformance anyway....
[06:29] <intelikey> just wanted to be able to say " yeah i installed that "
[06:29] <kalorin`> I've been considering an 7600GT, specifically one iwth dual dvi out and no fan
[06:29] <kalorin`> just a big heatsink
[06:29] <kalorin`> thinking it'd make the machine quieter
[06:29] <intelikey> but alas    "no it didn't work for me"
[06:29] <kalorin`> heh
[06:30] <kalorin`> yeah sorry, I've literally never had an open source driver under 6.10 for video, nvidia or otherwise work quite right
[06:30] <Kr4t05> Okay... This is annoying...
[06:30] <kalorin`> ATI was the worst, you have to run apt-get install's during the installation to get it to run
[06:30] <kalorin`> the nvidia just wouldn't recognize my nice 1600x1200 FP at work and really ticked me off
[06:31] <intelikey> that wouldn't be a big deal if it would just work.   (of course this in nv not ati)
[06:31] <Kr4t05> I spend 2 hours burning DVD in k3b, but, when I try to open it in Kaffeine, I get an error that says "The source can't be read.  Maybe you don't have enough rights for this, or source doesn't contain data (e.g: no disc in drive). (///dev/hdb)
[06:31] <Kr4t05> "
[06:32] <Kr4t05> However, I can view the files in Konqueror fine.
[06:33] <Kr4t05> Ugh.. Forget it.
[06:34] <intelikey> heh dmesg says   "[17197313.824000]  nvidia: module license 'NVIDIA' taints kernel.
[06:34] <kalorin`> sit down at the final this week for business finance class with an 84.03% in the class if I get a zero
[06:34] <kalorin`> need 79/225 to get an A
[06:34] <kalorin`> <--- 3 classes left til I'm actually qualified to do my job at work!
[06:34] <Iwonder|too> hey,whats the command to run when you get an error when starting adept about can't lock db or another process is using it,dpkg -a something?
[06:35] <intelikey> !adeptcrashfix
[06:35] <ubotu> If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a 
[06:35] <kalorin`> lwonder well, it depends do you have apt-get running or dpkg already going?
[06:35] <kalorin`> or another version of adept already running?
[06:35] <kalorin`> check thsoe things before you try to "fix" something
[06:36] <intelikey> !adeptcrashfix | Iwonder|too
[06:36] <ubotu> Iwonder|too: If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a 
[06:36] <Iwonder|too> ps aux shows none
[06:36] <intelikey> and try  a different IRCNAME=
[06:37] <Iwonder|too> ircname=?
[06:37] <wayl_> hi I need a ripper to mp3 ??? helpme please
[06:38] <kalorin`> wayl_: I use grip
[06:38] <kalorin`> there's alway kaudiocreator in kde that i have installed, never tried it
[06:39] <Iwonder|too> fuser is cool
[06:39] <wayl_> kalorin: thanks....
[06:39] <Iwonder|too> ahhh,referring to my real name,ok will change
[06:41] <intelikey> i think i'll go in #ubuntu with this issue and see if anyone wants to take a crack at fixing it.
[06:41] <Iwonder|too> thx for the help
[06:43] <dsmith_> tried keep but it would not function correctly
[06:43] <kalorin`> dsmith_: what does it do that's so wonderful?
[06:44] <dsmith_> i can restore individual files
[06:44] <kalorin`> liek tape archiving? cvs style backups?
[06:44] <dsmith_> eh...
[06:44] <dsmith_> I suppose you could do that
[06:44] <dsmith_> I wanted something simple..
[06:44] <dsmith_> still learning
[06:44] <kalorin`> I don't have a tape drive at homea nd wouldn't have any real use for them
[06:44] <dsmith_> i backed up to my seagate 500gb usb
[06:45] <kalorin`> I usually buy disks in pairs and leave one powered down but paritioned the same as it's pair, until at some point in the night I spin it up and do an rsync
[06:45] <dsmith_> hmmmm
[06:45] <kalorin`> then spin the backup disk back down
[06:45] <dsmith_> how do you do that?
[06:45] <kalorin`> hdparm
[06:45] <dsmith_> hmmm i have to look that up later
[06:45] <kalorin`> set an idle inactivity timeout to say 5 minutes
[06:45] <dsmith_> ahh ok
[06:45] <kalorin`> mount it and it spins up
[06:46] <kalorin`> then set an idle timeout and unmount it when you're done
[06:46] <kalorin`> rsync keeps them up to date wihtout too much overhead
[06:46] <dsmith_> human Raid
[06:46] <dsmith_> lol
[06:46] <dsmith_> sorta
[06:46] <kalorin`> currently have that with this workstation box, but I've never had to recover a boot partition so I don't know how effective it'll be
[06:46] <kalorin`> worst case, I'll have to do an emergency disk boot and change the fstab, but otherwise it should be good
[06:47] <kalorin`> well, I call it a lazy raid
[06:47] <kalorin`> cause it protects me from accidental deletes
[06:47] <dsmith_> my ideal would be to backup this laptop across a NAS server and have that rsync'd to another NAS server rsync to a remote facilty
[06:47] <kalorin`> and I don't have all that much stuff that changes on a day to day basis
[06:48] <kalorin`> my idea would be something really eliagent like a cvs style set of backups that every version of a file would be saved with dates andsequence #'s and then you'd just manage things by expiring old ones
[06:48] <kalorin`> and then the rsync deal
[06:48] <kalorin`> I haven't figured that out without using cvs for literally the entire OS
[06:48] <kalorin`> which wouldn't be all that practicle
[06:49] <kalorin`> I think the mac's are doing something similar at this point though
[06:51] <dsmith_> I was up late last night looking at off site backup services
[06:51] <dsmith_> so many to choose from
[06:51] <Lynoure> kalorin`: you might want to use dirvish or something then
[06:51] <kalorin`> dsmith_: well I have craptastic dsl that only does about 200k out, so it'd be crazy to think of off site for me in my home
[06:51] <kalorin`> Lynoure: interesting, I'll have a look, thanks for the tip
[06:52] <dsmith_> ack I have 56k at home
[06:52] <dsmith_> :P
[06:52] <Lynoure> kalorin`: or if you want to backup multiple computers that might have some same files, BackupPC
[06:52] <kalorin`> ultimately I'd like to get a couple of these 1TB usb2 drives and just pop them on my server, and back up things to those
[06:52] <dsmith_> Hitachi is coming out with 1tb drives
[06:52] <root> hi all
[06:52] <dsmith_> $0 each
[06:52] <dsmith_> $400
[06:52] <dsmith_> hi root
[06:52] <kalorin`> dsmith_: I used to get broadband over power lines and that was 3mb up and down
[06:52] <Lynoure> kalorin`: that one can save space by keeping only one copy of each version of the file, even if it existed on multiple computers
[06:52] <kalorin`> t hat was nice
[06:53] <root> i need some help
[06:53] <dsmith_> wow, nice speeds
[06:53] <kalorin`> root: um.. don't be logged in as root?
[06:53] <root> with my gunze usb touchscreen, its running but dont know how to calibrate
[06:53] <raylu> root, don't tell me you're using IRC on the root account?
[06:53] <dsmith_> I was just get 4mb down a little while ago over ftp
[06:53] <dsmith_> lol
[06:53] <kalorin`> dsmith_: with a static ip it was about $40/month
[06:53] <kalorin`> really nice
[06:53] <kalorin`> I miss it sorely
[06:53] <dsmith_> comcast
[06:53] <mantice> Could some one help me my PowerShot A430 does not work in kubuntu it says stalled in the bottem of the status window.
[06:54] <dsmith_> digikam?
[06:54] <mantice> I have got it to work once.
[06:54] <dsmith_> picasa
[06:54] <mantice> digikam
[06:54] <dsmith_> hmmm..I was going to try that out today
[06:54] <dsmith_> I never used it yet
[06:54] <root> im running irc as root what is the problem about it? does it have any weak security issues as root?
[06:54] <mantice> It worked like after the 3rd time around it
[06:54] <raylu> you shouldn't run anything as root :P
[06:54] <mantice> then it died again
[06:55] <raylu> especially not something that connects to the internet
[06:55] <root> i know i know, everybody says so
[06:55] <root> even that im ignoring it since more then 5 years already
[06:56] <raylu> and, of course, there's no reason to use an irc client as root. a regular user can do everything irc needs, right?
[06:56] <kalorin`> root, what if I told you that typing command X would fix your issues, but in reality I didn't like you and it would blow up your box or install some vulrenable deal that I could then hack it?
[06:56] <kalorin`> that's why
[06:56] <mantice> Can some one help me with my camera please :)
[06:56] <kalorin`> <---- shifty and not always the best of help :)
[06:56] <dsmith_> lol
[06:56] <root> ?
[06:56] <dsmith_> should'nt you have said fickle?
[06:57] <root> commant X wont do anything
[06:57] <root> comand
[06:57] <dsmith_> root: thats not a cmd for ubuntu
[06:57] <kalorin`> careful there dsmith_ YOU ... DON"T... KNOW.... ME... SO.... WELL :)
[06:57] <root> it does not matter thx for the warning but thats not the reason why im here
[06:57] <dsmith_> 1root
[06:58] <dsmith_> !root
[06:58] <ubotu> sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[06:58] <kalorin`> but yes, fickle is good, and a hypochondriac
[06:58] <kalorin`> :)
[06:58] <root> i knw i know
[06:58] <root> stop it lol
[06:58] <dsmith_> :P
[06:58] <root> im here because of gunze
[06:58] <root> how can i calibrate my gunze touchscreen
[06:58] <root> its USB connected
[06:58] <dsmith_> oad the applicable drivers?
[06:58] <dsmith_> *load
[06:59] <root> how and which?
[06:59] <mantice> So know one knows why the Powershot a450 camera only worked once, now it just hangs and says that it cant find root.
[06:59] <kalorin`> it can't find root?!
[06:59] <dsmith_> root: I dont know
[06:59] <dsmith_> mantice: I dont know
[06:59] <mantice> :S
[07:00] <kalorin`> mantice: what do you mean it "can't find root"
[07:00] <root> how come it cant find root? im here lol
[07:00] <raylu> \=
[07:00] <dsmith_> heh
[07:00] <mantice> It also said Stalled, in the status window
[07:00] <kalorin`> man, I was getting to that too root :)
[07:00] <kalorin`> ah
[07:00] <mantice> and my digikam just crashed
[07:00] <kalorin`> has the device id changed?
[07:00] <Lynoure> root: it's the first hit on Google with calibrate my gunze touchscreen linux
[07:00] <dsmith_> google a450 ubuntu
[07:00] <kalorin`> my ipod the other night I plugged in and was /dev/hdd, then the next night was promoted to /dev/hdc
[07:00] <kalorin`> for some reason
[07:00] <dsmith_> Google is yur friendo
[07:01] <Lynoure> gunzets :)
[07:01] <kalorin`> speaking of cameras, I gotta go get the flash card out of my 10D and get those pictures processed from today.
[07:01] <kalorin`> sigh
[07:01] <mantice> I looked
[07:01] <root> gunzets doesnt work
[07:01] <root> because its for serial
[07:01] <dsmith_> I am still trying to get SD cards to work in Kubuntu
[07:02] <dsmith_> ..to no avail
[07:02] <kalorin`> well, these will be off CF into a vmware winXP instance doing photoshop
[07:02] <kalorin`> sadly that's the one app I just can't find a good enough replacement for
[07:03] <Lynoure> root: did you even look at that site?
[07:03] <kalorin`> <---- I'd so like to be a pro photographer to be honest
[07:03] <dsmith_> I didn't want to rsort to that
[07:03] <dsmith_> but I feel I may have to
[07:03] <root> wich one?
[07:03] <Lynoure> root: they list it for usb, too
[07:03] <kalorin`> and I just can't get aroudn everyone using photoshop
[07:03] <dsmith_> Gimp!
[07:03] <kalorin`> *cough* sorry
[07:03] <Lynoure> root: the first hit on Google with   calibrate my gunze touchscreen linux
[07:03] <dsmith_> lol
[07:03] <dsmith_> hhahahh
[07:03] <dsmith_> I have used krita with some struff
[07:04] <dsmith_> *stuff
[07:04] <kalorin`> I'm _SHOCKED_ that linux doesn't already do adobe digital negatives well
[07:04] <kalorin`> mac, windows sure, linux not so much
[07:04] <Lynoure> root: http://ar.linux.it/software/gunzets/#Calibration but I am really really tired of Googling for grownups.
[07:04] <mantice> Im shocked that this camera is strange, yet every other camera and ubuntu have been best friends.
[07:05] <kalorin`> mantice, I haven't honestly done much and with the DSLR cameras it's faster to pull the flash card so I do that
[07:05] <kalorin`> sorry
[07:05] <dsmith_> Lynoure: NOD
[07:05] <root> it doesnt work with xorg
[07:05] <mantice> Can I DIY a card reader ?
[07:05] <root> only with xfree86
[07:05] <kalorin`> mantice, that's what I do
[07:05] <Lynoure> root: did you try it?
[07:05] <Lynoure> root: between now and the "does not work with usb" comment?
[07:05] <kalorin`> I hate all the camera interfaces and stuff, just suck it off to a directory and use bash or something to renam ethem if you like
[07:06] <dsmith_> well its 1am
[07:06] <dsmith_> im outta here
[07:06] <kalorin`> agreed
[07:06] <kalorin`> laters dsmith_
[07:06] <root> at the
[07:06] <root> now
[07:07] <Lynoure> root: If you did, then you can maybe look at the source and fix it to work with xorg, or file them a detailed bug report to allow them do that.
[07:07] <Rictoo> I'm bored
[07:07] <Rictoo> is there any cool game I can play? ;D
[07:08] <mantice> Kalorin I just want to be able to browse my flash directory :(
[07:08] <kalorin`> you can't?
[07:08] <kalorin`> it should just be a fat filesystem
[07:08] <kalorin`> it's canon
[07:08] <zerocool> i need help guys
[07:08] <kalorin`> they're not too creative with their stuff with regards tot hat
[07:08] <kalorin`> zerocool, we all need help, can you be more specific?
[07:08] <kalorin`> I could use a backrub
[07:09] <zerocool> lol sorry
[07:09] <kalorin`> :)
[07:09] <root> just because my nickname is root it does not mean that im able to do that now
[07:09] <root> lol
[07:09] <mantice> ok
[07:09] <kalorin`> I'm going to change userid 0's name to rewt!
[07:09] <Rictoo> is there any cool game I can play? ;D
[07:09] <mantice> I just hooked up my camera
[07:09] <kalorin`> rictoo, um, lots of them
[07:09] <zerocool> i got aproblem i formated a 200 gb hdd to ext3 format but i cant read stuff from it its telling me no permision
[07:09] <Rictoo> name your favorite
[07:09] <Rictoo> :D
[07:09] <zerocool> i see al the stuff but i cant read it
[07:09] <mantice> and its mounted as a camera on my desktop
[07:09] <kalorin`> zercool, did you um mount it?
[07:10] <kalorin`> ah
[07:10] <zerocool> no
[07:10] <mantice> wait its not
[07:10] <kalorin`> zerocool: who owns the files on it?
[07:10] <root> ok ill try it different way
[07:10] <zerocool> kalorin`: root i think
[07:10] <kalorin`> zerocool: who is trying to read them?
[07:10] <mantice> ok its mounted onto my desktop
[07:10] <kalorin`> zerocool: and is that persion have permissions to do so?
[07:10] <zerocool> kalorin`: my user name
[07:10] <Rictoo> Guys, name your favorite Linux games
[07:11] <mantice> it says theres 0 bytes on the camera.
[07:11] <root> does anybody know where the config file for js0 is located
[07:11] <Lynoure> Rictoo: try on #ubuntu-offtopic or #kubuntu-offtopic ?
[07:11] <zerocool> kalorin`: i dont know from where to give permision tu the user
[07:11] <mantice> but I know theres pictures in there
[07:11] <Hatsuyuki> what kind of games? (and why cant you use Adept to find them?)
[07:11] <Lynoure> Rictoo: mine is a IF piece, so I bet you would just reject it without trying :)
[07:11] <kalorin`> zerocool: what are you trying to do, if it's to turn the filesystem into r/w for the user you'll have to give them permissions on the files
[07:12] <zerocool> and how should i do that
[07:12] <zerocool> coe from where
[07:12] <kalorin`> mantice: if you pull the card and pop that in a reader, do you get anything?
[07:12] <kalorin`> zerocool: sudo chown -R user:group /mountpoint/*
[07:13] <kalorin`> then you'll own them and should likely be able to have your way with them
[07:13] <zerocool> ok
[07:13] <Hatsuyuki> easy way is 'kdesu konqueror /media' then back-click and change permissions to your user/group zerocool
[07:13] <mantice> I cant cos I dont own one.
[07:13] <mantice> and I know theres images on there because I viewed them on there on the camera.
[07:13] <mantice> and on pc when it worked for 10 secs
[07:15] <zerocool> now that comand is permanetnt or i have to give that komand every time i log in
[07:16] <Hatsuyuki> once it's changed it should stay changed, shouldnt revert back
[07:17] <ubuntu> anyoen know why grub did not install w/ feisty
[07:17] <kalorin`> zerocool: no it's permanently going to change the ownership on every file on the filesystem
[07:17] <zerocool> oky thanks
[07:17] <kalorin`> sure
[07:17] <kalorin`> now about that backrub
[07:17] <kalorin`> ...
[07:17] <kalorin`> :)
[07:18] <Hatsuyuki> ubuntu, did your install disk have any errors on it? (or did you dist-upgrade?)
[07:18] <ubuntu> no
[07:18] <ubuntu> i just installed from a CD
[07:19] <Hatsuyuki> did you do an error check of the cd before install?
[07:19] <ubuntu> no, but I used it earlier tdoay....
[07:19] <Hatsuyuki> strange...
[07:19] <ubuntu> im in the liveCD, can i install grub without reinstalling the whole OS?
[07:21] <ubuntu> i dont remember the install ever asking where i wanted to install grub, it just finished and said ti was time to reboot
[07:21] <Hatsuyuki> you could chroot into the OS and do use apt to install the desktop package I think (though I don't know the particular command)
[07:22] <ubuntu> how can i tell what is mounted?
[07:22] <Hatsuyuki> it usually doesnt ask just installs it at the end before the reboot
[07:23] <root> so
[07:23] <raylu> ubuntu, mount
[07:23] <raylu> or mount -l. and yes, grub is always intstalled :P
[07:23] <Hatsuyuki> it should say in konq if you type media:/ in the address bar
[07:23] <root> gunze+kubuntu+callibration=need help
[07:25] <intelikey> well the answer i got from #ubuntu was simple enough.    your card is not supported.
[07:26] <intelikey> so.  if i'm not going to use rivafb  (haven't decided yet)  i'll just remove the restricted crap.
[07:27] <Hatsuyuki> strange... am I the only one who's OOo isn't wanting to load? (just sticks on the loading screen and I have to kill the process soffice.bin)
[07:28] <kalorin`> Hatsuyuki: I've had that before, I forget what I did
[07:28] <kalorin`> not very often
[07:28] <intelikey> i dont use oo so   it's not affecting me....
[07:29] <kalorin`> love OO
[07:29] <kalorin`> even use it on my windows boxen now
[07:30] <Hatsuyuki> ah ok... I guess I'll try deleteing the related config files and see if that helps...
[07:30] <root> is there any touchscreen related irc?
[07:31] <intelikey> root you mean a channel or an app ?
[07:32] <Hatsuyuki> well, that didnt help... oh well KOffice integrates better anyways sooo
[07:32] <root> channel
[07:33] <intelikey> hmmmm i'm not seeing any root
[07:34] <root> i will die without a calibrated touchscreen
[07:35] <intelikey> root might ask in ##linuxhelp
[07:35] <intelikey> or ##linux
[07:35] <intelikey> always handy to try those....
[07:38] <intelikey> oooops.   im driving blind now  monitor out of range.....
[07:39] <AmyRose_laptop> root: Are you logged in as root?
[07:41] <intelikey> takes me that long to reboot....
[07:41] <intelikey> did i say that already ?
[07:41] <intelikey> takes me that long to reboot....
[07:45] <fulat2k> hi folks, any way i can change the size of OpenOffice toolbar icons?  it looks awefully big.
[07:46] <david2> sambas being a BUTT
[07:51] <intelikey> it's really a little un-nerving that the unexited /etc/Textconfig would leave the system headless...    but i know i had to edit the thing before running stm    just slipped my mind...  until the monitor went blank and the OUT OF SYNC box started floating around....
[07:51] <mantice> What does stalled mean in a kde window ?
[07:51] <intelikey> unexited  unedited
[07:51] <mantice> near the status bar.
[07:51] <intelikey> no longer recieving data
[07:52] <intelikey> mantice is it a dl ?
[07:52] <mantice> no its a digital camera
[07:52] <mantice> Now it says could not read file unspecfyed error
[07:53] <intelikey> hmmm well normally "stalled" means that a up/down-load has "stalled"
[07:53] <mantice> Can you help Intelikey ?
[07:53] <intelikey> mantice does the camera support disk mode ?
[07:53] <mantice> I thought thats what it was doing.
[07:53] <mantice> let me get manual
[07:53] <donutman25> can someone help me?
[07:54] <mantice> intelikey: it worked the third time I tryed it and stoped after I disconected the device.
[07:55] <intelikey> mantice close all apps,  unplug/replug try again ?   and if you have gotten usb in a really confused state   reset X
[07:56] <mantice> ok
[07:56] <intelikey> mantice normally cameras that support disk mode are pretty easy to deal with.
[07:56] <mantice> before it came up with root and some folders.. and then a picture folder.
[07:57] <intelikey> yeah  that's normal  for disk mode
[07:57] <intelikey> you can just cp the pictures folder to your home and go with it.
[07:59] <intelikey> donutman25 are you going to ask a question or no ?
[08:00] <mantice> It just said theres no files or folders.
[08:00] <mantice> Now it says stalled.
[08:00] <mantice> brb Ill restart X
[08:00] <intelikey> donutman25 best to just ask and then if you get an answer, good on ya.   else don't be too put out that no one answers, if we knew we would likely share it.
[08:00] <donutman25> oh sorry, i'm using kubuntu and the inteerrneet only work when i ping it from the hardware database collectioon
[08:01] <donutman25> i'll remeber that
[08:01] <intelikey> wired  or wireless  ?
[08:01] <donutman25> wired
[08:01] <intelikey> knetwork manager
[08:02] <intelikey> or    kde network manager    in the kmenu
[08:02] <donutman25> how do i get there?
[08:02] <intelikey> system something
[08:02] <mantice> Ok camera still does the same thing.
[08:02] <donutman25> network settings in the system settings window?
[08:03] <intelikey> shoot i'm out of range again.   only way i know ot fix is to restart....
[08:03] <mantice> Do you want me to restart intelikey  ?
[08:03] <mantice> or are you talking to some one else?
[08:06] <mantice> brb
[08:19] <mantice> can some one help me
[08:19] <mantice> I cant get my camera to work
[08:20] <mantice> Im about to give up,
[08:21] <stdin> hmm, "goten" is the name of my laptop :)
[08:22] <Zangetsu-> heh
[08:24] <sivaji> jvm is installed and configured in my system still my browser says "missing plugins"
[08:24] <stdin> sivaji: have you installed the plugin?
[08:25] <Zangetsu-> ya try installing sudo aptitude install sun-java6-jre
[08:25] <sivaji> i supports  manual install
[08:26] <stdin> why do a manual install when the packages are in the repositories ?
[08:27] <stdin> I just do "sudo apt-get install sun-java6-jre sun-java6-plugin" and I'm done
[08:27] <sivaji> sun-java6-jre already a new version is available
[08:28] <Zangetsu-> o ya the plugin too.  :P
[08:28] <stdin> !java
[08:28] <ubotu> To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository. Enable the backports repository on Edgy to install sun-java6-jre. Please don't use Adept to install Java if you are on Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy) or earlier.
[08:31] <sivaji> menu is hidden in konqueror i cant restore
[08:35] <stdin> Ctrl-Alt-M ?
[08:36] <sivaji> stdin i cant
[08:37] <sivaji> is it neccessary to have 64bit supporting os for amd processor or normal os is enough
[08:39] <Zangetsu-> if you have an amd 64 u can use either
[08:54] <kraut> moin
[09:01] <jean> hello all
[09:02] <jean> when trying to change the hostname of my pc i get the error msg "The default Gateway IP address is invalid."
[09:03] <jean> why can't i change my computer's name?
[09:11] <Zangetsu-> jean which file u edit ?
[09:12] <jean> System Settings
[09:12] <jean> Network Settings --> Network Connections
[09:13] <Zangetsu-> jean u can just edit your /etc/hostname file
[09:13] <Zangetsu-> try that
[09:13] <Zangetsu-> instead
[09:13] <jean> sudo nano /etc/hostname?
[09:14] <Zangetsu-> ya
[09:15] <jean> i think i have a pb  with 127.0.1.1
[09:17] <Rictoo> What's the newest and best distributed computing program?
[09:20] <Rictoo> I'll just use Folding@Home :\
[09:20] <Zangetsu-> whatcha mean ?
[09:21] <Meglo_> Breaking: Hostage situation at Russian embassy in Costa Rica
[09:24] <zerocool> got a problem with my nvidia graphics card on my kubuntu
[09:24] <Zangetsu-> kubuntu!
[09:25] <sivaji> stdin:
[09:25] <Zangetsu-> lol zerocool is from that movie hackers.  i remember that movie
[09:25] <Meglo_> Breaking: False alarm
[09:26] <zerocool> lol
[09:26] <jean> Zangetsu-: changed /etc/hosts and /etc/hostname
[09:26] <zerocool> i like it very much that movie
[09:26] <zerocool> so i decided to use his nick
[09:26] <jean> why doesn't it work when i do it graphically?
[09:26] <Zangetsu-> only thing u had to change really was hostname not hosts, but that's fine.
[09:27] <Zangetsu-> dunno i dun do it graphically
[09:27] <Zangetsu-> :P
[09:30] <jean> Zangetsu-: i've also changed hosts because it did not change automatically after changing hostname
[09:40] <Bree> Wee
[10:21] <amin81> anybody know how i can fix my connection problem?
[10:21] <amin81> it is a DNS issue
[10:21] <crimsun> a bit vague on details there
[10:22] <amin81> hmm
[10:22] <amin81> the same exact connection works with windows xp
[10:22] <amin81> and the same exact kubuntu lets me get online at my friend's place
[10:22] <amin81> and I am a first time user of linux
[10:25] <amin81> ?
[10:29] <AmyRose> Oh no, ubuntu is in this channel?!
[10:30] <Mantice> I just installed a dvd drive... and its not working :(
[10:30] <Mantice> is there any way to refresh cd drives or something
[10:41] <gne> ciao :|
[11:01] <rollerskatejamms> Is there a way to make recovery mode boot password protected? Or make it require a pass to log in. Because by default it gives you root with no password.
[11:03] <crimsun> rollerskatejamms: you'd have to set a root password.
[11:04] <okay> hi
[11:05] <K_user> hello : Konqueror - how do you make view mode "Detailed List View" the permanent default setting?
[11:07] <_4strO> yop
[11:17] <amin81> hi everyone
[11:17] <amin81> i have a problem getting online with kubuntu feisty
[11:17] <rysiek|pl> hi guys
[11:17] <amin81> the same connection lets me get online with windows xp
[11:18] <amin81> and the same computer lets me get online at my friend's place but not at home
[11:18] <amin81> anyone help, please?
[11:19] <rysiek|pl> amin81: give me 10mins and I'll be here for you :)
[11:20] <rysiek|pl> just need to finish something up
[11:21] <bbm4n> guys i have a problem with apt-get ...
[11:21] <bbm4n> i get an error code 2
[11:22] <amin81> rysiek: ok :)
[11:26] <rysiek|pl> amin81: ok, so what's the problem? you have a connection that works undex winxp but not under feisty?
[11:26] <amin81> yes
[11:26] <amin81> and I can get online with the same computer at my friend's place. that is at a different connection
[11:27] <rysiek|pl> amin81: m'kay, how are you connected? are you using some kond of an USB modem, or is your computer connected through the network adapter?
[11:27] <Filthpig> amin81: what connection type is it?
[11:27] <amin81> t1
[11:28] <amin81> i think?
[11:28] <amin81> it is a common connection that the whole apartment complex uses
[11:28] <amin81> where I just plug in the network wire and connect directly to the internet
[11:28] <rysiek|pl> amin81: at your friend's place, are you connecting using the same type of cable and blug? i.e. USB, Ethernet, etc?
[11:28] <rysiek|pl> amin81: ah, ok
[11:28] <amin81> yes, I am using the same type of cable
[11:29] <amin81> but his connection is different...
[11:29] <rysiek|pl> amin81: hmmm... do you have the machine that gives you problems at hand?
[11:29] <amin81> his connection is private
[11:29] <ubuntu> hi ply i need something like icq
[11:29] <rysiek|pl> ubuntu: kopete
[11:29] <amin81> rysiek: yes, it is right here
[11:30] <rysiek|pl> ubuntu: it has ICQ support
[11:30] <ubuntu> and where i can download it<<<
[11:30] <rysiek|pl> amin81: but it's not the very machine you are writing on? :)
[11:30] <amin81> no no...hehehe
[11:30] <Filthpig> ubuntu: it's already installed
[11:30] <rysiek|pl> ubuntu: it's preinstalled, just goKMenu -> Internet
[11:30] <rysiek|pl> amin81: ok, try this: sudo /etc/init.d/networking stop
[11:31] <amin81> rysiek: do I have to connect the internet cable to the computer?
[11:31] <ubuntu> i didnt see it
[11:31] <rysiek|pl> amin81: no, not yet; if it prints anything, paste it on http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/
[11:31] <amin81> rysiek: as I only have one cable, which is connected to windows xp
[11:31] <amin81> ok
[11:32] <rysiek|pl> ubuntu: then try typing "kopete" (without the quotes) in a terminal
[11:32] <rysiek|pl> amin81: did it print anything?
[11:32] <ubuntu> zes i find it but...
[11:32] <rysiek|pl> ?
[11:32] <amin81> rysiek: yes
[11:33] <amin81> rysiek: it printed
[11:33] <ubuntu> i dont work with this noone
[11:33] <rysiek|pl> ubuntu: what do you mean?
[11:33] <ubuntu> i dont work with this i have linux so min
[11:34] <amin81> rysiek: do you want me to write what it printed
[11:34] <amin81> ?
[11:34] <rysiek|pl> ubuntu: man, can you use plain english? I don't get it
[11:34] <rysiek|pl> amin81: how long was it? one line?
[11:34] <amin81> rysiek: no, several lines
[11:34] <ubuntu> so i need some icq to write my friends
[11:35] <amin81> rysiek: up to 30
[11:35] <rysiek|pl> amin81: yeah, I need what it printed :/
[11:35] <amin81> ok
[11:35] <rysiek|pl> ubuntu: kopete has support for ICQ
[11:35] <amin81> rysiek: give me 2 mins
[11:35] <rysiek|pl> ubuntu: just set up your ICQ account there
[11:35] <ubuntu> and they can me learn with linux but i cannot write him because i havenot icq
[11:35] <rysiek|pl> amin81: no problem, just use http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/
[11:36] <rysiek|pl> ubuntu: start kopete, then set-up your ICQ account in it
[11:36] <amin81> rysiek: sorry rysiek, I am a linux first time user...what site is that?
[11:37] <rysiek|pl> amin81: if you paste large amounts of text on the channel (>3 lines) you get kicked (for floding)
[11:37] <amin81> aha
[11:37] <ubuntu> grrrrrrrrrrrrr
[11:37] <amin81> ok
[11:37] <rysiek|pl> amin81: that iste offers you a place to paste the text and gives you a link to it
[11:37] <amin81> rysiek: cool, thanx
[11:37] <ubuntu> je tady nekdo cech?
[11:37] <rysiek|pl> amin81: so that all you need to paste on the channel is a short link
[11:38] <rysiek|pl> ubuntu: join #ubuntu-cz
[11:38] <rysiek|pl> :)
[11:39] <ubuntu> i have it
[11:39] <mantice> Can some one help me  ?
[11:39] <mantice> My ktorrent crashes....
[11:40] <mantice> Is there any power saving options eg standby turn harddisks off ?
[11:41] <sailor_moon_> hi :|
[11:41] <rysiek|pl> mantice: aye, KMenu -> Log out -> Standby or Sleep (or whatever it is called, I use a different language version here)
[11:42] <amin81> rysiek: ok, here is the link: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/20768/
[11:42] <mantice> Ah I see.
[11:42] <mantice> Well I dont use that, I dont know why ktorrent is crashing :S
[11:43] <rysiek|pl> mantice: try running it from konsole and getting some debug info this way
[11:43] <rysiek|pl> amin81: on it ;)
[11:43] <amin81> rysiek: thnx :)
[11:43] <sivaji> can i yahoo messenger from linux
[11:44] <rysiek|pl> sivaji: aye, use kopete
[11:44] <rysiek|pl> sivaji: or Pidgin, but Kopete is pre-installed on Kubuntu
[11:44] <rysiek|pl> amin81: ok, I have to warn you, you are in for quite a lot typing
[11:44] <mantice> !java
[11:44] <ubotu> To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository. Enable the backports repository on Edgy to install sun-java6-jre. Please don't use Adept to install Java if you are on Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy) or earlier.
[11:45] <sivaji> but how to configure that
[11:45] <rysiek|pl> amin81: I need to see your /etc/network/interfaces file
[11:45] <rysiek|pl> amin81: cat /etc/network/interfaces will print you the contents on konsole
[11:45] <amin81> rysiek: i dont mind. I have tried to start using linux for the past 2 years but have gone back to windows xp solely because of this problem
[11:46] <rysiek|pl> sivaji: start Kopete, go to Settings -> Configure... -> Accounts
[11:46] <amin81> rysiek: ok, will give you a print out
[11:46] <rysiek|pl> sivaji: you should be able to figure your way from there ;)
[11:48] <rysiek|pl> amin81: ouch, you didn't tell me it's a killer ;) after you "print-out" the interfaces file, please give me tha info on your winxp connection - esp. what ipconfig prints (Start -> Run -> cmd and in DOS "ipconfig"
[11:49] <amin81> rysiek: if we succeed i will send you a gift :)
[11:54] <mantice> My ktorrent just crashed
[11:54] <mantice> :(
[11:55] <mantice> thats like the 9th time today.
[11:57] <amin81> rysiek: let me know when breakfast is done... :)
[11:57] <amin81> rysiek: I posted the links in our private chatscreen
[11:58] <K_user> hello : Konqueror - how do you make view mode "Detailed List View" the permanent default setting?
[12:00] <gemidjy> K_user: make it and save the profile
[12:00] <cbx33> hey all if I had changed some config options in a kde app and broken it so it no longer loads how can I reverse those changes?
[12:00] <sivaji> how can i change themes
[12:01] <KOHb_B_nAJIbTO> 
[12:01] <gemidjy> sivaji: System settings -> Appearance -> Style
[12:02] <sivaji> no appearance is not there
[12:02] <Zangetsu-> sivaji press alt+f2 then type kcontrol
[12:03] <cbx33> anyone got any clues on my problem?
[12:03] <cbx33> where are kde configs stored?
[12:03] <cbx33> i need to delete one
[12:04] <K_user> gemidjy : thanks but i have done that already - do i need to "load view profile" everytime?
[12:04] <gemidjy> cbx33: which one? most probably in /home/user/.kde/share/config but beware on what u delete
[12:05] <gemidjy> K_user: no, just save the default profile
[12:05] <gemidjy> "Kubuntu File Manager"
[12:05] <gemidjy>  overwrite it
[12:05] <rysiek|pl> amin81: you are not a registered user
[12:05] <rysiek|pl> amin81: you cannot write on private channels
[12:05] <rysiek|pl> amin81: just paste the links here
[12:06] <amin81> oh, ok
[12:06] <amin81> rysiek:  http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/20770/
[12:06] <rysiek|pl> sivaji: system-wide themes or kopete chat window themes?
[12:06] <amin81> rysiek: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/20771
[12:07] <premier_> can i get rid of the gear backgrounds in kde?
[12:08] <rysiek|pl> premier_: aye, there is a background config entry in menus in Konqueror
[12:08] <rysiek|pl> amin81: great. now you must do a few things:
[12:08] <amin81> rysiek: ok
[12:09] <sivaji> !samba
[12:09] <ubotu> samba is is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT
[12:09] <sivaji> how to use samba
[12:09] <rysiek|pl> amin81: in a moment ;)
[12:10] <amin81> rysiek: no probs :)
[12:10] <rysiek|pl> sivaji: open Konqueror and type-in smb:/ in the address field
[12:11] <rysiek|pl> amin81: 1. plug the network cable into the linux box; 2. wait a sec or two ;); 3. sudo /etc/init.d/networking start; 4. wait for it to finish; 5. ifconfig -> I need the info it displays on-screen; 6. ping -c 3 195.114.161.61; 7. ping -c 3 www.google.com; 8. re-plug the cable in your IRC box and give me a sign ;)
[12:11] <amin81> rysiek: ok, brb in 5 mins. :) cross your fingers!
[12:12] <rysiek|pl> amin81: m'kay, gluck
[12:12] <sivaji> whenever i open konqueror five tab are loaded i cant avoid that
[12:12] <rysiek|pl> sivaji: close the tabs and do:
[12:13] <byron> hello all
[12:13] <rysiek|pl> sivaji: Settings -> Save Profile "Kubuntu File Manager"
[12:13] <rysiek|pl> sivaji: and restart Konqueror
[12:13] <K_user> gemidjy : yes have saved - close Kon, open Kon, back to icon display (not my saved setting)
[12:14] <gemidjy> K_user: u saved over the default profile
[12:14] <sivaji> u it is fine
[12:15] <rysiek|pl> sivaji: no prob
[12:16] <sivaji> smb:/ unable to find workgroup
[12:16] <sivaji> rysieklpl:
[12:17] <sivaji> rysieklpl: can i browse my friends computer if i know his ip add
[12:18] <byron> i really got a problem with hibernate on my laptop, it suspends and the powerLED blinks fine but when it returns I'll get a black display and the system freezes. so what can I do to solve this problem?
[12:19] <rysiek|pl> sivaji: yeah, you should be able
[12:20] <rysiek|pl> sivaji: smb:/some_ip/
[12:20] <rysiek|pl> sivaji: e.g. smb:/192.168.2.12/
[12:20] <K_user> gemidjy : looks like it's a bug, got it going ref: http://strabes.wordpress.com/2007/04/05/make-konqueror-use-your-default-view-mode-in-new-tabs/
[12:20] <rysiek|pl> sivaji: as long as he is exporting anything through SMB :)
[12:21] <sivaji> is that u r ip
[12:21] <rysiek|pl> sivaji: are you joking? :)
[12:21] <byron> ^^
[12:24] <amin81> rysiek: ok, I'm back
[12:24] <amin81> rysiek: what do you need?
[12:25] <rysiek|pl> amin81: I need whatever ifconfig wrote
[12:26] <amin81> rysiek: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/20775/
[12:26] <rysiek|pl> and I need the one-but-last line of both pings (the "3 packets transmitted, ..." lines)
[12:26] <rysiek|pl> amin81: ^^
[12:26] <amin81> rysiek: there
[12:27] <amin81> rysiek: --- 195.114.161.61 ping statistics ---
[12:27] <amin81> 3 packets transmitted, 0 received, +3 errors, 100% packet loss, time 2000ms
[12:27] <amin81> , pipe 3
[12:27] <rysiek|pl> hmmm\
[12:27] <rysiek|pl> amin81: actually I hoped that at least the pin 195... might work. anyway, back to work ;)
[12:28] <amin81> rysiek: hehe...
[12:28] <K_user> how do i access (mount?) a floppy disk
[12:28] <rysiek|pl> amin81: gimme 5 mins, I need to check one thing
[12:28] <amin81> rysiek: ok
[12:28] <amin81> rysiek: brb
[12:29] <rysiek|pl> K_user: just insert it, go to System (the computer icon on the panel) -> Media Devices (or whatever it is called, second entry from the top)
[12:29] <rysiek|pl> K_user: and double-click on the floppy
[12:30] <sivaji> rysieklpl:will u allow me to browse u r desktop
[12:30] <rysiek|pl> sivaji: even if I would, I can't, I am behind a hardware firewall
[12:31] <sivaji> u said it is possible to share just before
[12:31] <rysiek|pl> sivaji: it is, and I share my files within the LAN (Local Area Network)
[12:31] <rysiek|pl> sivaji: but not through the Internet (although this too is possible, I just don't feel like it)
[12:32] <sivaji> ok
[12:32] <sivaji> *not*
[12:33] <zerocool> guys i am going mad i am trying to install the nvidia graphics card on kubuntu i tryed several ways can some one help me whene the driver is installed and i restart x the display goes all white
[12:34] <sivaji> rysieklpl:bye
[12:34] <USMarine> zerocool install the legacy
[12:35] <rysiek|pl> amin81: when you get back, paste me what this command gives you: ip r | grep default
[12:35] <zerocool> i tryed too
[12:36] <amin81> rysiek: back!
[12:36] <spark_> hi evryone
[12:36] <amin81> rysiek: ok, without connecting the cable`
[12:36] <amin81> ?
[12:37] <K_user> rysiek|pl : not there, instructions not clear
[12:37] <rysiek|pl> amin81: yeah, can do
[12:38] <rysiek|pl> K_user: huh? hmmm...
[12:38] <amin81> rysiek: ok, it says "default dev ath0 scope link metric 1000"
[12:38] <spark_> anyone here who could help me with my flash plugin( firefox) so that i can here sound?
[12:38] <rysiek|pl> K_user: grep floppy /etc/fstab please :)
[12:39] <rysiek|pl> amin81: and ifconfig eth0 | grep 'inet addr' ?
[12:39] <K_user> grep floppy /etc/fstab = /dev/fd0        /media/floppy0  auto    rw,user,noauto  0       0
[12:39] <rysiek|pl> K_user: ok, is floppy in?
[12:40] <K_user> yes
[12:40] <rysiek|pl> K_user: mount /dev/fd0
[12:40] <amin81> rysiek: nothing is showing
[12:40] <rysiek|pl> K_user: and open Konqueror, set the address to media:/
[12:40] <rysiek|pl> amin81: ah, the cable. forgot about the cable :/
[12:40] <rysiek|pl> amin81: ok, few things, again:
[12:41] <amin81> rysiek: ok :)
[12:41] <amin81> by 'inet addr': should I write exact that or should i write an address?
[12:41] <K_user> rysiek|pl : thanks working now - why is this a manual process?
[12:41] <wimpies> hi all, Since an update/problem on my ISP mail server Kontact now produces 'unable to complete LIST operation' error. what could be wrong
[12:41] <rysiek|pl> amin81: exact
[12:41] <amin81> rysiek: ok
[12:42] <rysiek|pl> K_user: sometimes it's not. there is something b0rked with floppies on (k)ubuntu
[12:43] <rysiek|pl> amin81: 1. sudo /etc/init.d/networing stop; 2. sudo killall dhclient3; 3. connect the cable; 4. sudo /etc/init.d/networking start; 5. ifconfig eth0 | grep 'inet addr'; 6. ip r | grep default; 7. reconnect the cable to the IRC box and write me, what numbers 5. and 6. printed
[12:43] <amin81> rysiek: ok, brb
[12:43] <K_user> rysiek|pl : so is it a bug in 7.04?
[12:43] <rysiek|pl> K_user: <demagogy>who uses floppies nawadays, anyway?</demagogy> ;)
[12:44] <rysiek|pl> K_user: probably, yeah
[12:44] <K_user> rysiek|pl : not me - trying to retreive old data for friend
[12:44] <rysiek|pl> K_user: thing is: sometimes it works, sometimes it does not. and "sometimes" == "on one machine, on other machine"
[12:53] <amin81> rysiek: ok, back :)
[12:53] <amin81> rysiek: so what do you need?
[12:53] <amin81> 5 and 6 right?
[12:53] <rysiek|pl> amin81: what did ifconfig eth0 | grep 'inet addr' write
[12:53] <rysiek|pl> amin81: yeah
[12:54] <amin81> rysiek: it wrote: ifconfig eth0 | grep 'inet addr'
[12:54] <amin81>           inet addr:192.168.0.101  Bcast:192.168.1.255  Mask:255.255.255.0
[12:54] <rysiek|pl> amin81: ...and what did ip r | grep default (which is number 6. ;) ) print
[12:54] <rysiek|pl> aye
[12:54] <amin81> rysiek: and 6 wrote: ip r | grep default
[12:54] <amin81> default dev ath0  scope link  metric 1000
[12:55] <rysiek|pl> amin81: ok, here we go again, then ;)
[12:55] <amin81> rysiek: nooooooooooooo! hehehe
[12:56] <amin81> rysiek: ok, have gathered some more energy now
[12:56] <amin81> rysiek: :)
[12:57] <rysiek|pl> amin81: 1. sudo /etc/init.d/networking stop; 2. sudo killall dhclient3; 3. connect the cable to the linux box; 4. sudo /etc/init.d/networking start; 5. sudo route add default dev eth0; 6. ip r | grep default; 7. ping -c 3 195.114.161.61; 8. reconnect the IRC box and write me what did numbers 5., 6. and 7. print :)
[12:57] <rysiek|pl> amin81: notice the *very* important number 5.
[12:57] <amin81> ok
[12:59] <amin81> rysiek: when i write "sudo killall dhclient3" it says: no process killed
[12:59] <K_user> gemidjy : floppy working now thanks
[12:59] <rysiek|pl> amin81: don't worry about it
[12:59] <amin81> rysiek: ok, disconnecting now...brb
[12:59] <rysiek|pl> amin81: that's ok, we're doing killall just in case
[12:59] <rysiek|pl> gluck :)
[01:00] <amin81> rysiek: hehehe! :)
[01:01] <delight> what do i have to do to make kde work with gdm or gnome work with kdm ... since feisty I can't shut down directly if I don't use the "fitting" Desktop-Manager
[01:01] <delight> !kdm
[01:01] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kdm - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:01] <delight> !gdm
[01:01] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about gdm - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:01] <delight> !dm
[01:02] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about dm - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:10] <amin81> rysiek: back!
[01:10] <rysiek|pl> aye
[01:10] <rysiek|pl> whassup
[01:10] <rysiek|pl> need 5., 6. and 7. :)
[01:10] <amin81> rysiek: nothing happened after i wrote sudo route add
[01:11] <rysiek|pl> correct
[01:11] <amin81> rysiek: let me post 6 and 7
[01:11] <rysiek|pl> ok
[01:11] <amin81> rysiek: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/20780/
[01:12] <rysiek|pl> amin81: ok, that did not quite work well... ehh... another try then
[01:13] <amin81> rysiek: :( ok
[01:13] <rysiek|pl> amin81: 1. sudo /etc/init.d/networking stop; 2. sudo killall dhclient3; 3. connect the cable to the linux box; 4. sudo /etc/init.d/networking start; 5. sudo route add default gw 192.168.1.1; 6. ip r | grep default; 7. ping -c 3 195.114.161.61; 8. reconnect the IRC box and drop me a line
[01:14] <amin81> rysiek: ok, brb
[01:14] <rysiek|pl> amin81: sorry it's such a tiresome way of doing things
[01:14] <rysiek|pl> amin81: but there is no other since you haven't got a second cable :/
[01:15] <amin81> rysiek: dont be, I should be thankful that you are patient
[01:15] <rysiek|pl> no problem, really
[01:15] <rysiek|pl> linux is all about the community ;)
[01:16] <amin81> rysiek: true, and I want to be a part of the community so I hope you are able to solve the problem. :)
[01:16] <amin81> rysiek: dont want to be a windows supporter! hehe
[01:16] <amin81> rysiek, disconnecting now, brb
[01:21] <icecruncher> help, my computer does not recoginze m cdrom drive, and it's not listed under /dev
[01:22] <rysiek|pl> icecruncher: huh? did you actually try to use it?
[01:23] <icecruncher> rysiek|pl: it's worked before, no auto mount no recognision, cnat even ount
[01:23] <icecruncher> *can't even mount
[01:23] <rysiek|pl> icecruncher: strange. are you sure you didn't unplug anything?
[01:23] <icecruncher> yes
[01:24] <rysiek|pl> icecruncher: are you able to eject it?
[01:24] <icecruncher> manually, by button, yes
[01:24] <rysiek|pl> icecruncher: did you try to reboot?
[01:24] <icecruncher> yes
[01:24] <rysiek|pl> icecruncher: paste me your dmesg somewhere, e.g. on http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/
[01:25] <icecruncher> k
[01:27] <amin81> rysiek: back...doesnt seem like it worked
[01:27] <amin81> rysiek: let me post it for you
[01:28] <amin81> rysiek: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/20784/
[01:29] <rysiek|pl> on it
[01:29] <amin81> rysiek: cool, thnx
[01:30] <rysiek|pl> hmmm
[01:30] <amin81> rysiek: that didnt sound good...hehe
[01:31] <rysiek|pl> I think we're getting closer step by step :)
[01:32] <amin81> rysiek: hehe, I hope so.
[01:32] <rysiek|pl> amin81: we tried setting the gateway's network interface, and the gateway's IP number. now I need to find a way to set gateways BOT interface and IP at the same time :)
[01:32] <rysiek|pl> amin81: gimme 5mins
[01:33] <amin81> rysiek: ok, thnx
[01:34] <amin81> rysiek: when I wrote "networking start" i had forgotten to connect the cable
[01:34] <amin81> rysiek: that is, the last time
[01:34] <amin81> rysiek: so I restarted again with writing "networking stop, killall, networking start"...hope that should not be a problem
[01:35] <rysiek|pl> amin81: remember to plug it in the next time ;) I don't think it changed anything, but you can try the last commands again, this time plugging the cable in
[01:35] <byron> Hi, I really got a problem with hibernate/suspend on my laptop, it suspends but when it returns It won't wake up completely. I'll only get a black screen and I can't shutdown. Does anyone have an idea how I can solve this problem?
[01:35] <amin81> rysiek: yeah, that is what I did...I stopped at the "networking start" command and started all over
[01:35] <rysiek|pl> byron: I have the same problem, and still haven't found the solution. thing is - laptop manufacturers don' give Linux the needed drivers
[01:36] <rysiek|pl> amin81: ok, gimme 5 mins :)
[01:36] <amin81> rysiek: ok :)
[01:36] <byron> i tried a software suspender but that won't work too.
[01:42] <rysiek|pl> amin81: amin81: 1. sudo /etc/init.d/networking stop; 2. sudo killall dhclient3; 3. ***connect the cable to the linux box*** ;) ; 4. sudo /etc/init.d/networking start; 5. sudo route add default gw 192.168.1.1 dev eth0; 6. ip r | grep default; 7. ping -c 3 195.114.161.61; 8. reconnect the IRC box and drop me a line
[01:43] <amin81> rysiek: yes! brb
[01:44] <rysiek|pl> amin81: gluck
[01:46] <EyeVisions> !VMware
[01:46] <ubotu> VMWare Player is in Ubuntu's !Multiverse repository (package "vmware-player"), and http://www.easyvmx.com/easyvmx.shtml can create VMs for it. For VMWare Server, instructions can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VMware - See also !virtualizers
[01:46] <rysiek|pl> methinks QEmu or VirtualBox rock, and they are OpenSource ;)
[01:50] <Kr4t05> I could never get QEmu to run at full-speed, for some reason. :/ Oh, well, I went back to dual-booting, anyway.
[01:50] <amin81> rysiek: back! I am pretty sure it didnt work
[01:51] <amin81> rysiek: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/20787/
[01:51] <rysiek|pl> amin, m'kay, what did we get in 5., 6. and 7.?
[01:51] <rysiek|pl> ok
[01:51] <pjesi> hi, I am curious were all the automatic codec stuff is in kubuntu 7.04?
[01:51] <Kr4t05> !codecs > pjesi
[01:51] <rysiek|pl> amin81: umm, now something else went wrong
[01:52] <Kr4t05> pjesi: Or, you could apt-get install automatix2 and try that. :)
[01:52] <rysiek|pl> amin81: we didn';t even get an IP from DHCP, which we did get before
[01:52] <amin81> rysiek: yeah...
[01:52] <amin81> network was unreachable
[01:52] <amin81> rysiek: and the cable was connected this time :)
[01:52] <pjesi> I am aware of these things... but I was told that codecs are now a "breeze"...
[01:53] <rysiek|pl> amin81: maybe try again, this time give ~5sec. time between 1. and 2., 2. and 3., 3. and 4., and 4. and 5.
[01:53] <amin81> rysiek: ok, brb
[01:53] <rysiek|pl> amin81: if it gives you the same thing
[01:53] <amin81> rysiek: yes?
[01:53] <rysiek|pl> amin81: (IP of 169.*.*.*)
[01:54] <rysiek|pl> amin81: then reboot the linux box with the cable plugged-in
[01:54] <rysiek|pl> and after reboot do only 5. and on
[01:54] <amin81> rysiek: ok
[01:54] <rysiek|pl> amin81: (5, 6, 7, 8)
[01:54] <amin81> rysiek: cool, brb
[01:54] <rysiek|pl> ok
[01:57] <pjesi> the add/remove app just hangs, it never loads
[02:04] <K_user> pjesi : could do "sudo apt-get install libxine-extracodecs"
[02:04] <amin81> rysiek: back!
[02:04] <amin81> rysiek: this time it was all messed up
[02:05] <amin81> rysiek: 5 says: network is unreachable (like before)
[02:05] <amin81> rysiek: 6 says: nothing...
[02:05] <amin81> rysiek: 7 says: network is unreachable
[02:06] <rysiek|pl> amin81: ah, darn. it is quite possible that the DHCP server has just temporarily blocked your MAC (netcard's hardware address) due to large number of attepts :/
[02:06] <amin81> rysiek: hmm, ok
[02:06] <rysiek|pl> amin81: and just when I think we had a solution ready
[02:07] <rysiek|pl> :/
[02:07] <amin81> rysiek: hehehe
[02:07] <amin81> rysiek: approx how long time does it take before it resets?
[02:08] <rysiek|pl> amin81: you can give it - say - an hour or so of time, and if it still does not work the same way (unreachable, etc), then - are you ging to be here in about 6 hours? :)
[02:08] <rysiek|pl> amin81: it depends on DHCP erver's settings, it might be anything, but usually it's 1hr, 6hrs, 12hrs or 24hrs
[02:09] <amin81> rysiek: yes, I have some work to do but I will be online at 8, my local time (in about 6 hrs)
[02:09] <rik_> Hi I installed Ubuntu and then installed the kubuntu-desktop package, is that all I gotta do to get kubutu ( yes I found out that i prefer KDE)
[02:09] <amin81> rysiek: from where should I write the commands, 5 and onwards or from network stop?
[02:10] <icecruncher> rik_: cool
[02:10] <rik_> wait i forgot the ?
[02:10] <rik_> is that it ? :P
[02:10] <icecruncher> rik_: pls explain
[02:11] <amin81> rysiek: ?
[02:11] <rik_> well to transfor ubuntu into kubuntu the only thing i gotta do is to get the kubuntu-desktop package ?
[02:11] <icecruncher> yes
[02:11] <rysiek|pl> amin81: sorry, I'm back
[02:11] <icecruncher> rik_: sudo aptitude install kubuntu-desktop
[02:11] <rysiek|pl> amin81: I'll be here in 6hrs too
[02:11] <amin81> rysiek: ok, cool!
[02:12] <rik_> ok cool
[02:12] <rysiek|pl> rik_: yes
[02:12] <amin81> rysiek: thanx a lot for your help so far...
[02:13] <amin81> rysiek: by the way, should I start all the way from networking stop or is it enough to start from 5?
[02:14] <rysiek|pl> amin81: if you reboot linux with the cable PLUGGED-IN, you only need 5 -> end
[02:14] <rysiek|pl> amin81: afterwards, start all over from 1. if you need another try :)
[02:14] <amin81> rysiek: ok, cool!
[02:15] <amin81> rysiek: thanx a lot for your time
[02:15] <rysiek|pl> amin81: thing is: upon shutdown Linux does /etc/init.d/networkin stop
[02:15] <amin81> rysiek: ok
[02:15] <rysiek|pl> amin81: and upon boot-up - /etc/init.d/networking start
[02:15] <rysiek|pl> so no need for it after a boot
[02:15] <amin81> rysiek: got it!
[02:15] <rysiek|pl> amin81: no prob, I have quite a few guys to thank for their time, too ;)
[02:16] <rysiek|pl> amin81: gtg now, cu in about 6hrs
[02:16] <amin81> rysiek: bye for now! :)
[02:16] <rysiek|pl> cu all
[02:16] <djdarkman> hi, how can I check how much memory is a process using exactly?
[02:17] <icecruncher> can somebody help me with my cdrom drive, it's not being recognized
[02:18] <djdarkman> something is using a lot of memory on my system
[02:18] <_4strO> i have shadows on texte everyuwxhere, is it possible to remove it ?
[02:18] <rik_> djdarkman,  with ctrl esc you can see the graphic equivalent for "ps aux"  look for vm size
[02:19] <_4strO> in fact shadows are everywhere , icons, typo, ...
[02:19] <_4strO> where can I change this parameter
[02:21] <nimble> system settings>appearance>fonts has some font options
[02:23] <_4strO> nimble: i try this but no results
[02:23] <nimble> are you using kwin?
[02:23] <_4strO> nimble: and the shadows are on Desktop icons too
[02:23] <_4strO> nimble: beryl
[02:23] <psyco-obiwan> hello, i try to install kubuntu 7.04 on a acer notebook which worked fine with debian sarge before. Now when the cd boots it hangs at repeating "Disabling irq #15", does anybody have a hint for me ?
[02:24] <BluesKaj> Howdy all :)
[02:24] <nimble> do you still get the shadows without beryl?
[02:24] <_4strO> nimble: yes
[02:25] <BluesKaj> psyco-obiwan, check your BIOS tosee what the interrupt is
[02:26] <djdarkman> what units does ps display the memory in?
[02:27] <nimble> do you have translucency/shadows enabled in system settings>window behaviour?
[02:29] <_4strO> nimble: i had it and change it right now, do i have to restart X ?
[02:29] <psyco-obiwan> BluesKaj: its a noteboot, can check what 15 is i see there only some of the irqs, however i suspect its the ide controller
[02:30] <BluesKaj> uh oh ..that could be a prob , psyco-obiwan
[02:30] <psyco-obiwan> in what regards BluesKaj ?
[02:30] <rik_> I got 6.10 , when i used Gnome it told me that i can update to 7.(somethin) where is that update thing in KDE ?
[02:30] <nimble> not sure i havent tried it, couldnt hurt to though
[02:31] <BluesKaj> skipping the irq without cosequences ...lets' hope it isn't to serious
[02:31] <nimble> i think adept manager will prompt you to update
[02:32] <psyco-obiwan> to me it looks like this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.15/+bug/36998
[02:33] <jujimufu> Although on windows quake III runs just fine, on linux, cube-2 runs at 17-20 fps... any ideas?
[02:34] <nimble> cube-2?
[02:34] <PhinnFort> jujimufu: type "glxinfo | grep ire" in a terminal for me
[02:35] <PhinnFort> anyone know where I can get the latest blender debs?
[02:35] <rik_> jujimufu,  you ran glxinfo | grep direct
[02:35] <rik_> ?
[02:35] <PhinnFort> grep direct won't do anything
[02:35] <PhinnFort> grep Direct, maybe
[02:35] <rik_> glxinfo | grep direct
[02:35] <rik_> libGL warning: 3D driver claims to not support visual 0x5b
[02:35] <rik_> direct rendering: Yes
[02:36] <rik_> hu :P
[02:36] <jujimufu> rik_, PhinnFort: it says it is enabled. And it sure is, since I am running beryl just fine...
[02:36] <PhinnFort> jujimufu: well, beryl doesn't play nice with 3d-apps
[02:36] <PhinnFort> jujimufu: try disabling it
[02:36] <jujimufu> PhinnFort: so if I quit beryl ,it should play better?
[02:36] <jujimufu> ok, wait.
[02:37] <nimble> or just select kwin
[02:37] <PhinnFort> kwin is good
[02:38] <nimble> or creating a new session on kwin or something works as well i think
[02:39] <psyco-obiwan> BluesKaj: for the record, it seems the problem exists only with newer 2.6. kernels and mostly on notebooks. It can be worked around by either irqpoll or acpi=off noapic pci=bios
[02:40] <jujimufu> PhinnFort: it run as low as 5 fps...
[02:40] <PhinnFort> jujimufu: did you disable beryl?
[02:40] <PhinnFort> jujimufu: hit alt+f2, type in "kwin --replace" and hit enter
[02:40] <jujimufu> PhinnFort: I did disable beryl, and I also closed beryl manager.
[02:41] <PhinnFort> jujimufu: then there's a problem with the game you're playing, I think
[02:41] <PhinnFort> jujimufu: are you using wine?
[02:41] <jujimufu> no, I have downloaded the source from the site.
[02:42] <BluesKaj> bbl
[02:42] <PhinnFort> jujimufu: I'm not really sure how stuff is packed, but it could be linked against the wrong libraries, and use software rendering
[02:42] <PhinnFort> !find cube
[02:42] <ubotu> Found: kjumpingcube, kwin-style-alphacube, roundcube-webmail, wmcube
[02:42] <jujimufu> PhinnFort: I didn't say "repos" I said "source code"... :|
[02:43] <PhinnFort> i know
[02:43] <PhinnFort> that's why I wanted to know if there was a package available
[02:43] <jujimufu> PhinnFort: I had searched for a package before. I do prefer installing debs from repos than installing things from sources.
[02:44] <PhinnFort> jujimufu: can you select different renderers in-game?
[02:44] <marko> how can i install driver for nvidia fx 5200
[02:45] <PhinnFort> !nvidia | marko
[02:45] <ubotu> marko: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[02:47] <icecruncher> what's the lame mp3 plugin for k3b called
[02:47] <icecruncher> ?
[02:48] <PhinnFort> !k3b
[02:48] <ubotu> k3b is a feature-rich and user-friendly burning application for KDE (and, as all KDE applications, works fine on GNOME). For a guide, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/K3BHowto
[02:48] <PhinnFort> !find k3b
[02:48] <ubotu> Found: k3b, k3b-i18n, libk3b-dev, libk3b2, libk3b2-mp3
[02:48] <PhinnFort> !info libk3b2-mp3
[02:48] <ubotu> libk3b2-mp3: The KDE cd burning application library - MP3 decoder. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0-0ubuntu2 (feisty), package size 39 kB, installed size 104 kB
[02:48] <PhinnFort> capisce?
[02:49] <icecruncher> k
[02:49] <icecruncher> tnks
[02:49] <PhinnFort> yw
[02:50] <jujimufu> PhinnFort: I don't think I can select different renderers in-game...
[02:51] <PhinnFort> jujimufu: I'm sorry I can't help you...
[02:51] <jujimufu> baah
[02:51] <PhinnFort> jujimufu: have you tried other opengl games?
[02:51] <PhinnFort> briqoulo, et al?
[02:51] <jujimufu> PhinnFort: well, cube, the previous game from that one, which uses the same game engine, though. It also plays at about 20
[02:52] <PhinnFort> jujimufu: did you get it from the repos?
[02:53] <jujimufu> PhinnFort: Cube 1, yes. But not the official, it was from another repo, but it was a .deb file.
[02:53] <jujimufu> PhinnFort: do you know any opengl games from the repos?
[02:53] <PhinnFort> well, it could be for debian, wrong gl versions and whatever bugs may spring from it;)
[02:53] <PhinnFort> !info briqoulo
[02:53] <ubotu> Package briqoulo does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[02:53] <PhinnFort> !info briquolo
[02:53] <ubotu> briquolo: Fast paced 3d Breakout. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.5.5-1ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 229 kB, installed size 780 kB
[02:53] <PhinnFort> :D
[02:54] <PhinnFort> !info nexuiz
[02:54] <ubotu> nexuiz: A fast-paced 3D Ego-Shooter. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.2.3-1 (feisty), package size 593 kB, installed size 1488 kB
[02:54] <jujimufu> 'll try nexuiz, wait
[02:54] <icecruncher> anybody know a good java ide
[02:54] <icecruncher> ?
[02:54] <jujimufu> woah! it needs 140 megs to be downloaded!
[02:55] <Jucato> icecruncher: netbeans? eclipse? (not really sure, just heard about them)
[02:55] <umberto_> salve
[02:55] <PhinnFort> !info scorched3d | jujimufu
[02:55] <ubotu> jujimufu: scorched3d: 3D artillery game similar to Scorched Earth. In component universe, is optional. Version 40.1d.dfsg-1ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 1139 kB, installed size 2972 kB
[02:55] <umberto_> qualche ita?
[02:55] <PhinnFort> !it | umberto_
[02:55] <ubotu> umberto_: Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[02:56] <umberto_> sorry
[02:56] <PhinnFort> np
[02:56] <PhinnFort> jujimufu: i'll go and eat now
[03:00] <psyco-obiwan> hah, a bios update did wonders too...
[03:10] <NSCAD_Nathan> Hi.  Anyone know how I can have digikam just search the photos directory of my Creative Zen Vision:M and not 50GB worth of MP3s?
[03:23] <jujimufu> !find 3D
[03:23] <ubotu> Found: dovecot-pop3d, xaw3dg, xaw3dg-dev, 3dchess, 3ddesktop (and 45 others)
[03:23] <jujimufu> !3dchess
[03:23] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about 3dchess - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:23] <jujimufu> !chess
[03:23] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about chess - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:23] <jujimufu> !3D chess
[03:23] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about 3d chess - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:23] <jujimufu> bah
[03:23] <jujimufu> !find game 3D
[03:23] <ubotu> Found: gnome-games, gnome-games-data, kdegames, kdegames-card-data, kdegames-dbg (and 33 others)
[03:24] <pag> jujimufu, trying to get info about 3dchess?
[03:25] <pag> !info 3dchess
[03:25] <ubotu> 3dchess: 3D chess for X11. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.8.1-12 (feisty), package size 31 kB, installed size 132 kB
[03:27] <jujimufu> pag: lol.. thanks :P
[03:27] <pag> np :)
[03:28] <BluesKaj> pag, whynot just play online chess ?
[03:29] <BluesKaj> oops I mean jujimufu
[03:39] <pjesi> it is a shame that the "easy restricted extras" feature is only for ubuntu
[03:45] <polopolo> Hello all
[03:48] <polopolo> When I install ubuntu on kubuntu, And a new release is released, and I upgrade on kubuntu, should kubuntu also upgrade ubuntu to the new version?
[03:50] <phal__> hi, i have installed the kde package on a plain feisty fawn setup
[03:50] <phal__> now i can't find where i can change resolution and refresh rate settings
[03:50] <pjesi> since kubuntu does not ship with any convinient way to install restricted packages, do I have to follow the 6.10 instructions?
[03:50] <phal__> can anyone help
[03:50] <pjesi> phal__: system settings -> monitor & display
[03:50] <Jucato> pjesi: yes, the 6.10 instructions work the same way
[03:51] <pjesi> Jucato: how come kubuntu does not have the same feature as ubuntu?
[03:51] <phal__> pjesi: sorry but there is no menu like that
[03:51] <Jucato> polopolo: it all depends whether there are upgrades available for ubuntu as well. but usually, yes
[03:51] <Jucato> phal__: how did you install KDE on Ubuntu again?
[03:51] <Jucato> pjesi: because the ones who made the restricted-manager app only made it for Ubuntu
[03:52] <phal__> i installed ubuntu feisty fawn first, then downloaded the kde package from synaptic
[03:52] <Jucato> and made it in a way to be dependent on GNOME apps
[03:52] <polopolo> ok
[03:52] <Jucato> phal__: which package specifically?
[03:52] <pjesi> that is a shame
[03:52] <Jucato> pjesi: fortunately, unlike ubuntu, when it comes to codecs, Kubuntu actually only needs 2 codecs
[03:53] <phal__> it says kde 5:47 in synaptic
[03:53] <phal__> but it's 3.56 as seen in control center
[03:53] <Jucato> and Kubuntu 7.10 has automated scripts to install the mp3 codec when you play an MP3 in Amarok and Flash in Konqueror
[03:53] <phal__> 3.5.6*
[03:53] <pjesi> Jucato: could you tell which two you are talking about?
[03:53] <Jucato> phal__: hm?
[03:54] <Jucato> pjesi: libxine-extracodecs (in the repositories) and w32codecs (separate source)
[03:54] <Jucato> phal__: anyway, what package did you install? just "kde" or "kubuntu-desktop"?
[03:54] <phal__> kde 5:47(feisty) package
[03:54] <phal__> just kde
[03:55] <phal__> was it wrong?
[03:55] <Jucato> well not really. I suspect you're just reading it wrong
[03:55] <Jucato> anyway. install the package "kde-guidance"
[03:55] <phal__> i found kubuntu-desktop now in synaptic and it's not installed
[03:55] <phal__> im using kde now btw
[03:55] <Jucato> phal__: then go to K Menu -> Control Center (presuming that System Settings wasn't installed) -> Peripherals -> Display
[03:56] <phal__> there is no "Display"
[03:56] <Jucato> phal__:  <Jucato> anyway. install the package "kde-guidance"
[03:56] <Jucato> you have to install that first
[03:56] <phal__> ok im looking into that
[03:57] <phal__> will i have to install kubuntu-desktop too?
[03:57] <Jucato> phal__: well, not necessarily. it really depends
[03:58] <phal__> ok
[03:58] <Jucato> the package "kde" will install *all* the software that KDE ships with.
[03:58] <Jucato> kubuntu-desktop will only install the select apps and settings (including themes) that Kubuntu installs by default
[03:58] <phal__> should i have installed kubuntu-desktop at first?
[03:59] <Jucato> phal__: yep. kde comes with a load of things you probably won't need
[03:59] <Jucato> and doesn't install some of the things you might want (amarok, k3b, etc)
[04:00] <phal__> i thought about that too, it came with tons of games or stuff like that
[04:00] <phal__> it was about 200 MBs
[04:03] <Cosmoboy> Peloup!
[04:04] <PhinnFort> !resolution
[04:04] <ubotu> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type  sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[04:07] <phal__> hey, i noticed a "Screen resize and rotate" tool on system tray and i can now change resolution&refresh rate with it :D
[04:07] <phal__> but i don't now how it appeared it werent there before
[04:07] <PhinnFort> phal__: you can run it by running "krandrtray"
[04:07] <PhinnFort> !info krandrtray
[04:08] <ubotu> Package krandrtray does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[04:08] <glugbomros> !krandtray
[04:08] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about krandtray - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:08] <phal__> ok then thank you all
[04:08] <Jucato> it's part of kdebase. not a separate package
[04:08] <PhinnFort> ah, ok
[04:09] <PhinnFort> is it possible to nice apt/dpkg/friends by default?
[04:10] <PhinnFort> on gentoo there was an option in the config file for emerge to make it nice whenever it was run
[04:10] <Jucato> what's "make nice"?
[04:10] <PhinnFort> Jucato: run with another nice value
[04:10] <PhinnFort> *make it run nice
[04:10] <PhinnFort> d
[04:11] <PhinnFort> priority
[04:11] <PhinnFort> nice (1)             - run a program with modified scheduling priority
[04:11] <Jucato> ah...
[04:11] <PhinnFort> ;)
[04:11] <PhinnFort> :P
[04:13] <pedro> Hi everyone!
[04:13] <PhinnFort> !hi | pedro
[04:13] <ubotu> pedro: Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!
[04:13] <pedro> How are you?
[04:14] <korobase> Hi,all.
[04:14] <pedro> I am using Kubuntu feisty and I have a doubt
[04:14] <pedro> about an error message with k3b
[04:14] <pedro> http://www.mypastebin.com/?code=1662288954
[04:14] <korobase> Any one find the knetworkmanager's problems?
[04:14] <pedro> this is it
[04:14] <pedro> anyone knows how to solve it?
[04:15] <korobase> It can't connect to network when you change the net from one to another automatically.
[04:17] <PhinnFort> should I enable DBE (double buffering) in my X-server?
[04:21] <ubuntu> .
[04:21] <AmyRose> Is there a (working) gtkrc setting to change the icon theme for GTK apps?
[04:24] <Jucato> you'd have to ask in *gasp* #ubuntu or *gasps harder* #gnome :/
[04:26] <dr_willis> Jucato,  :)  if you dont know the answer! ..... heh heh...
[04:26] <Jucato> wasn't that implied :)
[04:26] <phal__> hey i just set my resolution to 1024x768 but after restarting it's 640x480 now and i cant change it higher
[04:27] <phal__> what could have gone wrong?
[04:27] <_pedro> I don't know if anyone has seen my question
[04:27] <_pedro> I have an error message from k3b
[04:28] <Jucato> _pedro: I could read the whole error message from your pastebin
[04:28] <_pedro> http://www.mypastebin.com/?code=1662288954
[04:28] <_pedro> that's it
[04:28] <K_user> phal__ logout then reset xserver - then login again
[04:28] <phal__> resetting it?
[04:28] <Jucato> phal__: maybe krandrtray doesn't save settings in between session
[04:28] <Jucato> sessions*
[04:29] <K_user> left of where you enter username/password - click there
[04:29] <K_user> select reset xserver
[04:29] <phal__> Jucato: i cant change it higher then 640x480 either
[04:29] <K_user> maybe u can reste with out logout - i don't know how
[04:30] <phal__> K_user: ok trying
[04:30] <Jucato> phal__: it's an X server setting then. you will have to modify it
[04:30] <Jucato> !xconfig | phal__
[04:30] <ubotu> phal__: To reconfigure your X server, open a console and type  sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg  - To configure only the driver and resolution, type  sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg -phigh  - See also !FixRes
[04:30] <phal__> !fixres
[04:30] <ubotu> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type  sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[04:31] <AmyRose> Jucato: But GNOME uses gconf, not .gtkrc
[04:31] <K_user> ubotu - i have notice if i boot with out touching keyboard i get same problem - do u know of this prob?
[04:31] <AmyRose> K_user: ubotu is a robot
[04:31] <AmyRose> !bot
[04:31] <phal__> :D
[04:31] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[04:31] <Jucato> AmyRose: ah yeah.. right... thought that was what you meant :)
[04:32] <K_user> AmyRose : that's ok - can the robot answer the question
[04:34] <AmyRose> K_user: If you want to see if ubotu has an answer, you can try searching here: http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:35] <phal__> i can't find where can i reset xserver
[04:35] <phal__> there is no option for it in the login screen
[04:35] <AmyRose> phal__: I just do sudo service kdm restart
[04:35] <Jucato> phal__: there should be. in the Login menu
[04:35] <AmyRose> oh, I also installed the debian-helper-scripts
[04:35] <Jucato> I bet he's still using GDM for the login manager
[04:36] <AmyRose> phal__: Then try sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[04:36] <phal__> it's the same login manager as with gnome
[04:36] <AmyRose> phal__: Then try my suggestion
[04:36] <phal__> ok
[04:36] <Kr4t05> Hrm... That's odd...
[04:37] <Kr4t05> I burned a movie to DVD, and when I watch it in Kaffiene, the total length is shown as about 30 minutes.
[04:37] <Kr4t05> How does a 120minute feature suddenly get shrunk down, without losing anything of the movie footage?
[04:41] <Kr4t05> Oh, that's why... one "second" in kaffiene is about 5 seconds in reality. :)
[04:41] <Ze_M> i have installed kubuntu feisty and doesnt have any app to configure keyboard, cant have portuguese layout, also dont see how is possible to enable 3D with beryl, konqueror is all f*cked up, unbleievable
[04:41] <Jucato> Ze_M: you have checked System Settings I presume?
[04:41] <Ze_M> Jucato: of course
[04:42] <Jucato> Regional & Language -> Keyboard Layout?
[04:42] <Ze_M> i have checked all desktop configurations
[04:42] <Ze_M> Jucato: but should exit an app that should set this by default like happens in other distros
[04:42] <Jucato> for Beryl, you have to install and configure it manually
[04:42] <Jucato> hm?
[04:42] <Ze_M> Jucato: lol
[04:43] <Ze_M> Jucato: in mandriva we have mandriva drak tools to configure all
[04:43] <Jucato> about Konqueror, you have to be more specific
[04:43] <Ze_M> konqueror toolbars are all f*cked
[04:43] <Jucato> of course this isn't mandriva... but I get your point
[04:43] <Jucato> again, can you please be more specific? "f*cked up" doesn't qualify
[04:43] <phal__> nothing changed, it froze at "running local boot scripts" and i had to reboot
[04:44] <Kr4t05> Jucato: I think he was responding to me. :P
[04:44] <Ze_M> Jucato: really dont get how is possible that exist guys that ubuntu is that so good, for what i see mandriva beats kubuntu by points
[04:44] <Jucato> Kr4t05: your customer then
[04:44] <Jucato> :)
[04:44] <Kr4t05> Jucato: It looks like a rhetorical statement. :P
[04:44] <Kr4t05> Ze_M: Right?
[04:45] <Ze_M> well im gg back to mandriva, kubuntu really disapoints
[04:45] <Jucato> Ze_M: unless you be more specific at what problem you're having. I don't understand you at all. You're looking for something like MCC? That's System Settings
[04:45] <Kr4t05> Uh... You're call.
[04:45] <pjesi> man I regret moving from 6.10
[04:45] <Guest88856> THIS IS BLASPHEMY!
[04:45] <Guest88856> THIS IS MADNESS!
[04:45] <Guest88856> THIS
[04:45] <Guest88856> IS
[04:46] <Kr4t05> Sparta?
[04:46] <Ze_M> Kr4t05: of course, but since there was so many people saying that kubuntu was from another worls, that was so good, now that i runned it i see that is just a simple distro that is beat by the well know distros mandriva, suse, fedora, etc
[04:46] <Kr4t05> Sorry... I had to.
[04:47] <Kr4t05> Ze_M: When I say that Kubuntu is "good" I mean that it's better than Windows... I would never try to compare it to another distro, being that I've never used another distro.
[04:47] <Jucato> Ze_M: 1) don't always believe what other people say. 2) You shouldn't eat an apple expecting it to taste like an orange
[04:47] <Ze_M> Jucato: im talking about what other people say about kubuntu comparing to other linux distros
[04:47] <boggystudios> how do I add a program to /etc/init.d so I can use update-rc ?
[04:48] <Kr4t05> That, and Ubuntu is somewhat more mature than Kubuntu. I just prefer the feel of KDE.
[04:48] <Ze_M> Jucato: i really thought that kubuntu could be better than mandirva that is the distro i have been using but is totally the oposite
[04:48] <Jucato> Ze_M: yes. I know. that's why I said don't always believe in other people's opinions until you've really tried it
[04:48] <Ze_M> im trully disapointed...
[04:48] <Kr4t05> Ze_M: Well, if you're not happy with Kubuntu, by all means, try something else... It's not like we'll twist your arm into using something you don't like.
[04:49] <Ze_M> Kr4t05: yes of course, im just putting my thoughts
[04:49] <Dekkard> is there any difference between kubuntu and just installing ubuntu and adding kde-desktop?
[04:49] <USMarine> if only ubuntu wan't gnome..
[04:49] <USMarine> wasnt*
[04:49] <USMarine> Dekkard yeah
[04:49] <Jucato> Ze_M: no one is forcing you to use Kubuntu. And I'm not going to say Kubuntu is perfect. but if you actually had a question we could help you with, rather than just ranting
[04:49] <Ze_M> Kr4t05: i was expecting that kubuntu would have many things that we expect for granted
[04:49] <USMarine> useless gnome packages
[04:50] <Kr4t05> Really, because it's starting to look like blatant trolling... No offence ment, but I'm merely calling it as I see it.
[04:50] <Jucato> Dekkard: you don't get any of the Ubuntu/GNOME stuff installed
[04:50] <Dekkard> k
[04:50] <Ze_M> Kr4t05: my apologies if is appearing that
[04:50] <Dekkard> i dont mind gnome
[04:50] <daphbobo> how do i make an alias in konversation?
[04:51] <daphbobo> ok nm
[04:51] <daphbobo> found it
[04:51] <Jucato> :)
[04:51] <USMarine> gnome is too simple
[04:51] <Dekkard> what i notice a lot here is that the questions arent usually os realted.. they have to do with other software.. like cd rippers.. an stuff
[04:51] <Kr4t05> Ze_M: You have to keep in mind that the developers have only added what the users have asked for. What exactly do you find so lacking in Kubuntu?
[04:51] <USMarine> it doesn't do the basic stuff i need
[04:51] <Ze_M> Kr4t05: i really got frustrated, just that, but this because i hear so many people saying good about kubuntu, but now that i runned it i dont get how that people said that, of just if they would never tried other distros and are new to linux
[04:51] <pjesi> does anyone know why the fonts look like crap in 7.04 while they were fine in 6.10?
[04:51] <Jucato> Dekkard: they are. Ubuntu and Kubuntu use different apps, different settings, etc
[04:51] <Dekkard> simple is good.. thats why i also run fluxbox
[04:51] <USMarine> lol
[04:52] <USMarine> that's not a DE
[04:52] <Dekkard> and?
[04:52] <Ze_M> Kr4t05: severall things, but you coould have a better view if you install mandriva
[04:52] <Ze_M> but for example by default mandirva sets the correct layout
[04:52] <Dekkard> i dont always need a de
[04:52] <Kr4t05> Ze_M: I'll see about it.
[04:52] <USMarine> so it wont help much in productivity
[04:52] <USMarine> i do
[04:52] <Jucato> !offtopic
[04:52] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[04:52] <phal__> hey Jucato, i still cant change my res. higher
[04:52] <Dekkard>  i mean mc is still plenty good as a file manager.. you cna play music without a gui..
[04:52] <Ze_M> Kr4t05: other thing that was nasty was the kon toolbars
[04:52] <Jucato> phal__: did you run the command that the bot gave out?
[04:52] <Ze_M> konqueror{
[04:53] <Ze_M> konqueror*
[04:53] <phal__> the config thing?
[04:53] <Dekkard> getting tense in here..
[04:53] <USMarine> if i have resources
[04:53] <USMarine> i want linux to use them
[04:53] <phal__> what was it
[04:53] <phal__> !xconfig
[04:53] <Kr4t05> Ze_M: You can install Firefox quite quickly, ;)
[04:53] <ubotu> To reconfigure your X server, open a console and type  sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg  - To configure only the driver and resolution, type  sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg -phigh  - See also !FixRes
[04:53] <USMarine> and make everything neat and a appealing
[04:53] <Jucato> Ze_M: you still haven't explained what your problem with Konqueror is. so far you have done nothing but say "Kubuntu sucks. mandriva rocks." so if you are actually interested in fixing things or finding out what the problem is, please be more specific
[04:54] <Ze_M> Kr4t05: im a kde man, always build and packaged kde
[04:54] <USMarine> Ze_M package kde4alpha1 for me
[04:54] <USMarine> will you?
[04:54] <Ze_M> Jucato: no, i just said i got disapointed
[04:54] <Ze_M> USMarine: i only package for mandriva at least until now
[04:55] <Jucato> USMarine: it's available from kubuntu.org
[04:55] <USMarine> ok
[04:55] <phal__> !fixres
[04:55] <ubotu> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type  sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[04:55] <Ze_M> USMarine: kubuntu doesnt use rpm
[04:55] <Jucato> Ze_M: yes, you've been saying that over and over again. anything new?
[04:55] <ejupin> anyone know how I can "mount" my creative zen so that Amarok will see it?
[04:55] <USMarine> Ze_M i know
[04:55] <USMarine> that's why i prefer kubuntu
[04:55] <Ze_M> so the debian packagement system isnt a thinkg i can easily do
[04:55] <ejupin> I have it working with Gnomad2 but not Amarok
[04:56] <Ze_M> Jucato: i didnt said in the terms your saying, and already asked apologies if appeared so
[04:56] <USMarine> ejupin http://amarok.kde.org/wiki/Media_Device:MTP
[04:56] <ejupin> USMarine:thnx
[04:56] <Ze_M> USMarine: i dont know debian packaging but i will see it to see if there any advantes comparing to rpm
[04:57] <phal__> should i install xorg-driver-fglrx for my ATI R9550 card?
[04:57] <Ze_M> arent there ati paclages_
[04:57] <Jucato> USMarine: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-alpha1.php
[04:57] <Ze_M> packages*
[04:57] <USMarine> Jucato nice, tks
[04:57] <Jucato> USMarine: you might also want to try the openSUSE KDE 4 Alpha Live CD
[04:57] <USMarine> ok
[04:59] <esunder> are there any beryl/kubuntu users here?
[04:59] <pjesi> esunder: I am thinking about becoming one
[04:59] <Jucato> esunder: they'd most probably be in #ubuntu-effects as well
[05:00] <esunder> thank you
[05:01] <pjesi> DeJaVu looks terrible after I upgraded
[05:03] <phal__> what should i use other than GDM?
[05:03] <pjesi> KDM
[05:04] <|ericsson|> How can I get rid of the Adept Notifier that keeps making me annoyed?
[05:04] <phal__> installing it with synaptic should do the trick?
[05:04] <Jucato> |ericsson|: how is it annoying you?
[05:05] <phal__> !ping
[05:05] <ubotu> pong
[05:05] <|ericsson|> Jucato: it keeps conflicting/crashing beryl @ startup
[05:05] <Jucato> hm...
[05:08] <ionus> how to mount ntfs partitions
[05:08] <ionus> !ntfs
[05:08] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[05:09] <Kr4t05> !ntfs-3g > me
[05:10] <ionus> !ntfs-3g
[05:10] <ubotu> ntfs-3g is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. Installation instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions
[05:11] <ionus> why i cant run this command gksudo gedit /etc/fstab
[05:11] <ionus> why i cant run this command gksudo gedit /etc/fstab
[05:11] <ionus> hi tell me ""
[05:11] <SlimeyPete> ionus: is there an error message?
[05:11] <ionus> program 'gksudo' is currently not installed.  You can install it by typing:
[05:11] <ionus> sudo apt-get install gksu
[05:11] <SlimeyPete> right... so type that.
[05:11] <esunder> whats the best media player for divx/xvix/wmv/mpg etc
[05:11] <SlimeyPete> hang on
[05:12] <ionus> ok
[05:12] <esunder> xvid*
[05:12] <ubuntu> ciao
[05:12] <SlimeyPete> though... there is a KDE version of gksudo, I can't remember what it's called. Yes, you may as well just do the sudo apt-get install gksu thing
[05:12] <ionus> ok wait
[05:12] <|ericsson|> esunder: depends on preference, personally I would go for one with xine engine, like Kaffeine
[05:13] <esunder> how do i make kaffeiene play wmv's tho
[05:13] <|ericsson|> !codecs
[05:13] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[05:13] <Jucato> SlimeyPete: kdesu
[05:13] <Jucato> !w32codecs | esunder
[05:13] <ubotu> esunder: Seveas has a popular 3rd party repository for several packages, including the win32 codecs: see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - See also !Codecs
[05:13] <ionus> Package gksudo is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[05:13] <ionus> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[05:13] <ionus> is only available from another source
[05:13] <Dr_willis> not all wmv's may be playable.. depends on the codec its using.
[05:13] <SlimeyPete> Jucato: oh yeah... cheers
[05:14] <ionus> slimey!
[05:14] <esunder> hmmm, it doesnt seem to play any files
[05:14] <ionus> what is the problem
[05:14] <SlimeyPete> ionus: ok... your problem is that gksudo and gedit are Gnome applications and as such are notincluded with Kubuntu. Try running "kdesu kedit /etc/fstab"
[05:14] <Dr_willis> depends on the codec and the files.  i tend to avoide wmv's like the plague.. :)
[05:14] <esunder> yea
[05:14] <|ericsson|> esunder: you need codecs in order to play the files, check the links we gave you..
[05:14] <Jucato> ionus: actually "kdesu kate /etc/fstab"
[05:15] <Jucato> SlimeyPete: kedit isn't installed by default
[05:15] <esunder> thanks erricson
[05:15] <ionus> oo yes
[05:15] <ionus> thx
[05:15] <Dr_willis> Jucato,  too hard to find. :)
[05:15] <SlimeyPete> Jucato: hmm yes, I just tried it and found that out ;)
[05:16] <Dr_willis> of course I know how to edit the fstab.. so itd take me longer to find that tool.. then to use vi.
[05:16] <Jucato> Dr_willis: too easy to use :)
[05:16] <Jucato> it's just probably not popular enough :)
[05:16] <Dr_willis> I got this GPx2 - thats using some memory cards.. and oddly enough.. neither windows or linux can read the cards directly.
[05:16] <Jucato> (and then everyone complains why there's isnt' a GUI when it in fact exists...)
[05:17] <Dr_willis> it needs an icon on the desktop!@ thats it!
[05:17] <Dr_willis> :)
[05:17] <Jucato> imho it needs a notifier in the system tray (for USB etc...)
[05:17] <Jucato> :P
[05:17] <Dr_willis> Hmm.. whats the filesystem size limit for fat16 anyway? 2gb?
[05:17] <queiroga> .
[05:18] <llutz> Dr_willis:  2gb
[05:18] <icecruncher> how can i format a fat 32 usb to ext2 and back?
[05:18] <Dr_willis> this handheld seems to be doing somthing odd with this memory card then.
[05:18] <Dr_willis> icecruncher,  whats the point of 'to ext2 and back' ?
[05:18] <Dr_willis> fdisk it. delete parttion. make new ext3 partition, format it.
[05:19] <icecruncher> well, wanna fun fsk on the whole device "sda" not just sda1
[05:19] <Dr_willis> or use that gui tool :) that Jucato  loves.
[05:19] <Dr_willis> fdisk /dev/sda :)
[05:19] <Dr_willis> it must have at least 1 partition to be useable. that would be sda1
[05:19] <icecruncher> doesn't work
[05:19] <icecruncher> yeah, it's fat 32
[05:19] <Dr_willis> its a system level task. thus you need to use sudo, or som eother way to eanble root access.
[05:19] <icecruncher> i am
[05:20] <Jucato> Dr_willis: nah, it's not what I love. but it seems to be what some would need/prefer to use *IF* they knew it existed :D
[05:20] <icecruncher> Couldn't find ext2 superblock, trying backup blocks...
[05:20] <mrcreativity> can somone show me how to autostart an app with kde please?
[05:20] <icecruncher> fsck.ext2: Bad magic number in super-block while trying to open /dev/sda
[05:20] <Jucato> !autostart | mrcreativity
[05:20] <ubotu> mrcreativity: To make programs autostart with your KDE session, you can make a link to it in ~/.kde/Autostart. The package 'kcontrol-autostart' makes a kcontrol item for handling items in that directory.
[05:20] <Dr_willis> icecruncher,  you did fdisk and delete/make the new partitins first?
[05:20] <icecruncher> nope
[05:20] <Dr_willis> icecruncher,  you dont just 'reformat fat32 to ext3'
[05:21] <Dr_willis> now if you want to CONVERT a fat32 partition to ext2 thats another story.
[05:21] <Dr_willis> keeping all the data
[05:21] <icecruncher> nah
[05:22] <llutz> icecruncher: fsck on "sda" makes no sense
[05:22] <mrcreativity> how do i run kcontrol-autostart
[05:23] <Dr_willis> llutz,  i was thinking that also.   how would one 'check' a drive to see that its blocks and stuff are valid? befor fdisking it for example.
[05:23] <llutz> icecruncher: the only case i could imagine is a superfloppy-formatted disk without partitions
[05:24] <icecruncher> lol
[05:24] <icecruncher> it's a usb, and i wan to check all the cylinders
[05:24] <llutz> icecruncher: fsck checks filesystems....
[05:24] <icecruncher> k
[05:24] <icecruncher> lol
[05:24] <llutz> icecruncher: you need something like vendor-tools on lowlevel
[05:25] <llutz> to do so
[05:25] <icecruncher> ?
[05:26] <icecruncher> llutz: any programs for liny\ux?
[05:26] <icecruncher> *linux :)
[05:26] <llutz> icecruncher: i don't know any
[05:26] <icecruncher> anyone know any?
[05:27] <llutz> icecruncher:i meant something like this http://www.seagate.com/www/en-us/support/downloads/seatools
[05:27] <icecruncher> ahh
[05:29] <phal1> all right, i somehow managed to make it 1024x768 but now i cant change the refresh rate
[05:29] <phal1> it's 60 hz, should be 85
[05:30] <phal1> i had to reconfigure my keyboard layout, i dont know why, the xserver crashed or something
[05:30] <Timsen> howdy
[05:30] <|ericsson|> phal1: Try ddcprobe | grep monitorrange if your monitor supports it
[05:31] <phal1> sudo: ddcprobe: command not found
[05:32] <|ericsson|> you might need apt-get install, first..
[05:33] <phal1> E: Couldn't find package ddcprobe
[05:33] <llutz> phal1:  sudo aptitude install xresprobe
[05:33] <|ericsson|> sudo apt-cache search ddcprobe = xresprobe ;)
[05:34] <phal1> it gives an error
[05:34] <phal1> debconf: DbDriver "config": /var/cache/debconf/config.dat is locked by another process: Resource temporarily unavailable
[05:35] <|ericsson|> phal1: then you have aptitude open already?
[05:35] <CarinArr> is there any way of getting kopete to tell you why it doesn't want to connect
[05:35] <CarinArr> ?
[05:35] <phal1> no i dont
[05:35] <phal1> but i might have closed xserver conf the half way
[05:35] <phal1> do i have to reset?
[05:36] <|ericsson|> phal1: you can always try: top, check if it's running there and simply do: kill followed by the PID
[05:36] <ubuntu_> ubotu grub
[05:36] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[05:37] <phal1> may it be Xorg? :D
[05:37] <|ericsson|> or try the command: "shutdown X-server-and-throw-it-to-where-the-sun-doesnt-shine"
[05:37] <neverblue> when doing a new postgresql install, is a new user created, so you can connect to it?
[05:37] <phal1> lol im going to reset then
[05:38] <|ericsson|> phal1: might be your safest bet ;)
[05:39] <jussi01> ok, I have a quick basic question, how do I enable backports in kubuntu... doesnt seem to be in the repositaries part of adept....??
[05:41] <llutz> jussi01: add a line "deb http://de.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ feisty-backports main restricted universe multiverse" to your /etc/apt/sources.list (change "de." into something nearby)
[05:42] <jussi01> llutz: cool, I understand that, (and can do it no probs) but I was hoping to see if there was actually a gui part for it...
[05:43] <llutz> jussi01: waiting for a gui-tool, clicking your mouse, etc takes much longer than pasting above into a textfile on console :)
[05:43] <david_> Hi, my Beryl locks after being used approximately 20 minutes. Just the mouse responds. I have a Nvidia card 1Go RAM, amd turion 64 x2 1.6Ghz*2
[05:43] <david_> Do you have any idea why?
[05:44] <jussi01> llutz: yep understood, but I still would like to know if there is a gui for it.... :D
[05:44] <CarinArr> david_: when you say it locks.. does it lock the computer completely?
[05:45] <david_> carinarr :no, just the mouse respond and move at screen
[05:46] <CarinArr> david_: if you switch into a terminal window using ctrl+alt+f2 or something, you can have a look at your /var/log/Xorg.0.log and see if there's any messages in there
[05:46] <david_> carinarr: the keyboard doesn't respond
[05:46] <phal__> ok installed xresprobe
[05:47] <phal__> entered ddcprobe, now?
[05:47] <phal__> it made a long output
[05:47] <phal__> i still can't make ref. rate any other then 60 Hz
[05:47] <llutz> phal__: ddcprobe | grep monitorrange
[05:48] <llutz> phal__: sudo ddcprobe | grep monitorrange         (sry)
[05:48] <phal__> monitorrange: 30-71, 50-160
[05:49] <phal__> what to do now?
[05:50] <llutz> phal__: take those values and change entries in your /etc/X11/xorg.conf (VertRefresh 30-71)
[05:51] <phal__> now restart pc?
[05:51] <llutz> phal__: only X (ctrl-alt-backspace)
[05:52] <phal__> that ctrl-alt-bs has no effect on it
[05:52] <|ericsson|> Has anyone ordered a larg amount of discs from Canonical? I'm talking 500+ dics..
[05:52] <|ericsson|> and by the way, I'm spelling like a gnu 2day
[05:53] <delight> what do i have to do to make kde work with gdm or gnome work with kdm ... since feisty I can't shut down directly if I don't use the "fitting" Desktop-Manager
[05:53] <phal__>   why ctrl-alt-backspace doesnt work?
[05:53] <delight> it worked fine in edgy
[05:54] <pag> |ericsson|, the largest order I've heard about is ubuntu-fi's order of 200cds to share to finnish parlament
[05:54] <dewey> delight, my kde works with gdm in feisty
[05:54] <|ericsson|> pag: we've been discussing of distributing among stundents at our university..
[05:56] <delight> dewey: so u use gdm u log into kde and you can shutdown/poweroff your computer from within the kdedesktop ? (with the shutdown dialog is what i mean of course, sudo poweroff or so)
[05:56] <pag> |ericsson|, I'm not saying that you shouldn't try :) Go ahead and try; it'll be nice, if you succes.
[05:57] <delight> dewey: for me i can only shutdown from within kde when i use kdm ...
[05:57] <dewey> delight, no I shutdown from gdm
[05:57] <phal__> hey llutz
[05:57] <phal__> why that ctrl+alt+backspace doesnt work you have any idea?
[05:57] <delight> dewey: see that is the problem ... it was working before feisty thou .. even with the kde 3.5.6 kubuntu updates
[05:58] <delight> dewey: you can only log out of kde right? no shutdown, suspend etc. etc.
[05:58] <llutz> phal__: err: "VertRefresh  50-160"  is the value, don't know why the key don't work
[05:58] <dewey> delight, yes it was working but thye changed it.
[05:58] <|ericsson|> pag: I think they'll ban me from ship-it if I go for ~5000 discs which is about the amount of stundets we are holding ;)
[05:58] <ubuntu> :o)
[05:59] <delight> dewey: ain't no way to change it back? must be ... by the way i don't think that was a smart choice to do ... i don't see a good point about it
[05:59] <phal__> i couldn't set KDM as default, may that be it?
[05:59] <delight> phal__: sudo dpkg-reconfigure kdm
[05:59] <llutz> phal__: ctrl-alt-bs i an X-builtin, doesn't depend on KDE/kdm...
[06:00] <phal__> ok i will check that later
[06:01] <delight> dewey: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/feisty/+source/kdebase/+bug/64695 found a bug report
[06:01] <delight> ;)
[06:07] <|ericsson|> !ntfs
[06:07] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[06:11] <zoro> hey guys - quick question. what's the quickest way to get kexi with the debug option enabled?
[06:13] <neverblue> ijust installed postgreSQL, is there a 'phpmyadmin'-like app that I can use for psql? if so, why does it not show up in my webserver root? (aka localhost)
[06:14] <zoro> neverblue: it's likely that its not installed by default
[06:14] <neverblue> zoro, but if it is, would it show up in localhost?
[06:14] <neverblue> my /var/www
[06:14] <zoro> neverblue: but i think there is a phppgadmin project
[06:14] <zoro> neverblue: depends on if it was installed there or not :)
[06:15] <neverblue> well, myphpadmin went there on a new install
[06:15] <zoro> sudo aptitude install phppgadmin
[06:15] <zoro> yeah that's normal
[06:15] <zoro> pgadmin is what you need though
[06:15] <neverblue> yeah, was using pgadmin III
[06:16] <zoro> neverblue: well my phpmyadmin was installed to /usr/share/
[06:16] <neverblue> hmm
[06:16] <neverblue> i can see it when I surf to localhost
[06:17] <zoro> yeah
[06:17] <zoro> neverblue: i have a symlink in /var/www that links to /usr/share/phpmyadmin
[06:19] <neverblue> ah
[06:19] <neverblue> i have the same setup, i just need to add the ln
[06:19] <neverblue> nice
[06:20] <zoro> :)
[06:20] <zoro> neverblue: glad i could help
[06:20] <phal__> llutz: i set it to 50-160 but the the resize & rotate tool only has 60 and 87
[06:20] <neverblue> hehe
[06:20] <neverblue> use ln -s?
[06:20] <zoro> neverblue: yeah
[06:20] <neverblue> thought so
[06:20] <zoro> neverblue: sudo -u www-data ln -s /usr/share/phpmyadmdin .
[06:20] <phal__> 87 may put the monitor in sleeping mode
[06:21] <neverblue> yeah, now if I could only understand the ln --help :/
[06:21] <neverblue> the target/dir always throws me off
[06:22] <zoro> ln -s /usr/share/phpmyadmin /var/www/supersite
[06:22] <zoro> neverblue: http://localhost/supersite
[06:22] <neverblue> ?
[06:22] <zoro> ln -s <from> <to>
[06:22] <zoro> :)
[06:22] <neverblue> whats that?
[06:22] <neverblue> supersite?
[06:22] <zoro> an example
[06:22] <neverblue> oh, i c
[06:23] <phal__> how can i make my refresh rate 85?
[06:25] <Dr_willis> !fixres
[06:25] <ubotu> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type  sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[06:42] <_Therock> hmm when i logout of kdm it just black screens, anybody know a quick fix?
[06:44] <zoro> _Therock: happens to me too
[06:45] <zoro> _Therock: i can't shut down because of it
[06:45] <zoro> _Therock: instead of shuttind down from kde, i jump to login window 2 (ctrl+alt+F2) and kill kde from there, then do a halt (sudo shutdown -h 0)
[06:45] <zoro> :)
[06:46] <_Therock> hehe
[06:46] <_Therock> i do that to you know :D
[06:46] <_Therock> but still ....
[06:46] <_Therock> :D
[06:47] <zoro> :D
[06:49] <darktears> hello all
[06:50] <darktears> i have question is anybody knows when kernel 2.6.21 will be ported in feisty
[06:50] <darktears> ?
[06:54] <Tired_> Can I use the installer on an Edgy CD to prepare a hard drive (create partitions and a boot record, etc.), and then copy an entire FEisty install to the newly created partitions, to migrate hard drives?
[06:55] <Udi> I need help with the NV driver
[06:55] <Tired_> I have Feisty already installed, but I need to change hard drives, and I can't find my Feisty cd or any blanks.
[06:55] <phoxy> I need help with the NV driver
[06:55] <Tired_> But I have an Edgy cd.
[06:55] <Tired_> What's up with it?
[06:55] <phoxy> I changed the driver (mistakenly), and now I canot get the correct resolution
[06:56] <phoxy> it is stuck in 640X480
[06:56] <phoxy> It used to do 1600X1200
[06:56] <Tired_> Can you change it in the nVidia settings after you start up?
[06:56] <phoxy> I am using kubuntu
[06:56] <Tired_> Mine boots up at 640x480, but I can switch it back to 1600x1200 after I boot up.
[06:56] <Tired_> Me too.
[06:56] <phoxy> went to the Monitor resoultion
[06:57] <phoxy> in System Settings
[06:57] <phoxy> and it is frozen at 640X640
[06:57] <Tired_> I have to go into the nVidia settings from a program called 'sysinfo', which I got from apt...kind of a kludge, but it works
[06:57] <Tired_> They won't change for me from the Kubuntu settings
[06:57] <neverblue> zoro
[06:57] <zoro> neverblue: ?
[06:57] <neverblue> do you use phppgadmind?
[06:57] <phoxy> ok-- let me try ssyinfo
[06:58] <neverblue> phppgadmin*
[06:58] <zoro> neverblue: nope :)
[06:58] <neverblue> k
[06:58] <Tired_> Once you get it, there's an nVidia at the bottom, and you can get into the nv config from there
[06:58] <Tired_> There's gotta be a better way, but I don't know it
[06:58] <phoxy> thanks-- I am installing sysinfo
[06:58] <Tired_> :)
[06:59] <phoxy> it DID change with the system settings from 1600X1200 to 640 X 480 ...;-(
[07:00] <Tired_> Now that I see you have the same problem...I'm wondering if it's not just me.  I just thought I'd screwed something up
[07:01] <phoxy> sysinfo says that I have a VGA compatible graphics card
[07:01] <phoxy> how do you change anything in sysinfo?
[07:01] <Tired_> Oh.  No nVidia at the bottom?
[07:01] <phoxy> no
[07:01] <Tired_> Hmm.  Are the nv drivers in properly?
[07:01] <phoxy> under Hardware it shows various things-- USB, etc
[07:01] <minty_> hey
[07:01] <phoxy> how would I tell?  They works an hour ago
[07:02] <minty_> guys my amarok is really laggy is there anything better i can use?
[07:02] <CarinArr> !quicktime
[07:02] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[07:03] <|lostbyte|> !kde4
[07:03] <ubotu> For information on KDE 4 (not to be released for quite some time yet), see: http://www.canllaith.org/svn-features/kde4.html. Also worth checking are: appeal/phonon/plasma/solid.kde.org
[07:03] <phoxy> so now what do I do?
[07:03] <phoxy> I would hate to have to reinstall Kubuntu just because of the stupid driver!
[07:03] <Tired_> Oh no\
[07:04] <Tired_> You should just have to re-do the nvidia drivers
[07:04] <phoxy> how?
[07:04] <Tired_> hang on...i had a good link the other day, let me find it
[07:04] <phoxy> Is there a Konsole command to do it?
[07:04] <phoxy> thanks
[07:04] <phoenixbyrd> anyone else have 3d games crash alot on them?
[07:05] <minty_> wot music player do u use?
[07:05] <KaoticEvil> anyone got a minute to help a failed edgy -> fiesty upgrade? :)
[07:06] <sakabatou> XMMS minty_
[07:07] <Tired_> phoxy -> http://www.ubuntugeek.com/how-to-install-beryl-with-latest-nvidia-drivers-in-ubuntu-feisty-fawn.html
[07:07] <Tired_> This has the Beryl instructions, too
[07:08] <phoxy> I am not using Beryl, but I'll look
[07:08] <_Therock> damn is a pain in the a**
[07:09] <_Therock> i can't logout just get a black screen
[07:09] <Tired_> phoxy: just ignore the beryl stuff and use the instructions there to get the latest drivers
[07:10] <KaoticEvil> anyone got a minute to help a failed edgy -> fiesty upgrade? :)
[07:11] <Trevinho> Hello, anyone here got kde4 knut working?
[07:11] <c14uz> hi
[07:11] <c14uz> :D
[07:11] <c14uz> i need help
[07:11] <c14uz> Ci sono italiani che mi possono dare una mano?
[07:13] <Trevinho> c14uz: per cosa? :)
[07:13] <c14uz> mi serve una mano
[07:13] <c14uz> per kubuntu
[07:13] <c14uz> configurazione scheda di rete
[07:14] <Trevinho> c14uz: vieni in query, qui non si pu parlare in italiano
[07:14] <Trevinho> o senn via in #ubuntu-it
[07:14] <Trevinho> vai*
[07:14] <Trevinho> o #kubuntu-it (esiste? :))
[07:15] <c14uz> 19:12]  [505]  Private messages from unregistered users are currently blocked due to spam problems, but you can always message a staffer. Please register! ( http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#privmsg )
[07:15] <c14uz> querami tu plz
[07:15] <Jeroenw> Hi!
[07:15] <anwar> how to sync all entries of one ldap server to another slave ldap server initially , i am trying to setup a replicating ldap server
[07:15] <phoxy> thanks, Tired.  I am doing it
[07:16] <ubuntu> ubotu grub
[07:16] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[07:16] <c14uz> Trevinho i can't query you....
[07:17] <Trevinho> so, come in #ubuntu-it, I'm there too, with others that can help you
[07:17] <anwar> where can i ask ldap questions , sorry for bugging.
[07:21] <rr_lap> anyone get Apache to use upnp through Felix?
[07:22] <phoxy> sorry, Tired-- it did not fix it
[07:22] <montoya> Riddell: Are you the manteiner of kde4 package???
[07:22] <phoxy> I am still in 640X480, with no option of going back to the nice 1600X1200 that I had a couple of hours ago, before I stupidly changed the driver
[07:23] <phoxy> I need to FORCE kubuntu to use the NV driver it was using originally
[07:23] <phoxy> but I do not know how to do it
[07:24] <Tired_> How did you restart X without leaving channel, phoxy?
[07:25] <phoxy> I am talking to u on an old reliable XP machine
[07:25] <montoya> who is also the manteiner of kde4 package???
[07:25] <phoxy> next to my flaky Kubuntu box
[07:25] <Tired_> Oh.  Hmm
[07:26] <_Therock> phoxy
[07:26] <_Therock> well i used envy to install the dirvers
[07:26] <Tired_> I don't know how, either...when I did the apt stuff from that page, it started using the new driver next reboot
[07:26] <_Therock> worked very well
[07:26] <phoxy> I rebooted twice after doing the apt stuff
[07:27] <Tired_> *shrug* out of my league, then...anyone else?
[07:27] <phoxy> this Nvidia hell is like what I went through with Edgy
[07:27] <_Therock> phoxy, tryed http://albertomilone.com/nvidia_scripts1.html ?
[07:27] <ricmik> Hello! Is there a better mplayer-plugin for firefox than mozilla-mplayer?
[07:27] <phoxy> I used Envy in Edgy, and it was bad news
[07:27] <_Therock> hmm worked fine on my feisty ./
[07:28] <Tired_> So, is there any difference in the disk management tools that came default on the Edgy installer cd than the current ones?
[07:29] <Tired_> eg:  can I make partitions and a boot record with an edgy installer, and then copy an existing feisty install onto the empty partitions?
[07:29] <Tired_> or is grub and stuff different now?
[07:31] <ubuntu> ubotu grub
[07:31] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[07:32] <slicknick_> so skype has taken total control of my USB headset.  i can hear and use the mic just fine with it, however, when i close skye and try to listen to audio through another application, this does not work. any ideas?
[07:36] <|ericsson|> Is there any antivirus program that works with GUI?
[07:36] <BluesKaj> _Therock, interesting...my experience was the reverse , Envy borke X in feisty but worked great after i reverted to edgy ...but I'm stuck with ATI hardware , so maybe that explains the diff .
[07:39] <rr_lap> anyone get Apache to use upnp through Felix?
[07:39] <ricmik> Is it possible to let KDE autocreate icons on the desktop for newly inserted CD's memory cards etc? (Like Ubuntu)
[07:41] <nimble> kubuntu does it for me
[07:41] <Tired_> seems to be a lot more questions than answers today
[07:41] <phoxy> is that unusual?
[07:41] <Tired_> yeah, usually it's more even
[07:41] <Tired_> people must be busy working or something
[07:42] <phoxy> I am getting closer to reinstalling kubuntu, since I am unanle to restore the driver
[07:42] <phoxy> even though SystemSettings now says I am using the correct (NV) driver, and the choice of the hardware card is correct
[07:43] <Tired_> i dunno...it 'just worked' for me, after I did the apt stuff...i don't know what else to suggest
[07:44] <Alonea> how do I connect to a network with WAP?
[07:45] <ubuntu> ubotu grub
[07:45] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[07:45] <Alonea> !wap
[07:45] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about wap - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:45] <Tired_> what's WAP?
[07:46] <nimble> wireless encryption
[07:46] <marko> which is the best virtual machine server
[07:46] <Tired_> WEP?
[07:46] <Tired_> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-25949.html ??
[07:47] <Alonea> WEP is different
[07:48] <ricmik> Probably WPA
[07:48] <Alonea> ooops
[07:48] <Tired_> oh.  i've heard of WEP, and WPA, but not WAP
[07:48] <Alonea> WPA
[07:48] <Tired_> h
[07:48] <Alonea> sorry. ^^;;
[07:48] <Tired_> was confused
[07:48] <Alonea> !wpa
[07:48] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[07:48] <Tired_> This is why I stick with wires...less acronyms
[07:48] <nimble> yeah i read wrong
[07:49] <Tired_> (that and being too cheap to buy a new router)
[07:49] <ricmik> Tired_: You still have the choice between UTP and STP ;)
[07:49] <tom_> hi anyone getting wierd white flashes in ut2k4 on an intel 950 gma?
[07:49] <Tired_> true.  i try not to think about that.
[07:49] <nimble> i got my wireless router from my dad, its crappy and has no range but i think i might be able to get linux firmware to boost signal strength :D
[07:50] <eric__> does anybody know how to make the font smaller in the console?
[07:50] <Alonea> wait, are you serious?  it only works with some cards?
[07:50] <Alonea> oh wait, ndiswrapper is on list. ok. so that is good
[07:51] <Alonea> nimble: how would you get it to boost signal? Router barely reaches my room
[07:52] <nimble> some routers you can put custom made linux firmware on that give you more control over the hardware
[07:52] <Alonea> ok
[07:52] <chaosite> nimble: mostly WRT54Gs
[07:53] <nimble> and wap54gs, which is what i have :)
[07:53] <Alonea> and there is sliiiight problem...network manager kills gaim/pigdin on my computer as well as KNetwork Manager. I got rid of them because they were buggy
[07:53] <Alonea> Knetwork Manager actually would not connect me to any internet...I just switched to wpa last night
[07:54] <nimble> unfortunately i havent been able to try some custom firmware because i have no clue about networks so i cant get to the wireless configuration page
[07:55] <Alonea> i use Wireless Assistant for my wifi...I can only do WPA with evil buggy software?
[07:56] <Tired_> TIn can antenna?
[07:58] <Tired_> well, it's time for me to get ready for mother's day brunch (a day late)
[07:58] <Alonea> so is there any alternative to KNM and its friends?
[07:58] <Tired_> good luck to all  :)
[07:58] <Alonea> thanks Tired_
[07:58] <nimble> ubuntu must have something and its probably not kde apps
[07:59] <Alonea> yeah. but then is it something that is gnome only?
[08:00] <nimble> well itd still work in kde
[08:00] <Alonea> I tried WEP one time and my dad had too many problems with it on his computer. his internet was reallllly slow for some reason.
[08:00] <sl00> Guys. I am getting tired of not getting any remote shares to work. I have tried mounting a ftp and a samba but it says I have to do it with root all the time. It worked fine with the Samba share but I cannot create folders or anything!
[08:00] <Alonea> so far I like WPA, but seems not a whole lot of support on linux...
[08:00] <nimble> i think wpa is the more secure one anyway
[08:01] <chaosite> nimble: /wc
[08:01] <tom_> dont use wep, it can be cracked in approx 10 mins in a relatively busy network
[08:01] <Alonea> yeah, think so too, not to mention it takes care of wireless only, not land. I could care less about the hardline since its my house as it is
[08:02] <nimble> uh wc?
[08:02] <tom_> use wpa with a passkey, its easier as you can use human readable paswords and still be secure
[08:02] <Alonea> I just want it to stop my neighbor's sister from using it when she visits.
[08:02] <stamen> hi
[08:02] <stamen> how to launch real player in console
[08:02] <tom_> lol
[08:02] <stamen> what to write
[08:03] <Alonea> tom_: yeah, there is a passkey. any ideas for getting it to work though?
[08:03] <tom_> alonea: well definately use wpa, its more secure and ive found just as easy to set up, if your hardware supports it
[08:03] <tom_> what doesnt work?
[08:04] <Alonea> tom_: but I refuse to use Knetwork Manager and its counterparts Network Manager
[08:04] <tom_> why?
[08:04] <Alonea> they are buggy
[08:04] <phoxy> Tired, I fixed it.
[08:04] <tom_> there not that bad
[08:04] <Alonea> Gaim/pigdin doesn't work correctly with Network Manager.
[08:04] <tom_> ive never had any trouble
[08:04] <phoxy> I got an old copy of my xorg.conf, and copied it to /etc/X11
[08:05] <Alonea> and Knetwork manager on fiesty would not connect me at all. I got rid of them and gaim and everything else was working fine then. Would hate to regress to it
[08:05] <sercik> how can i install a .kmdr file??
[08:05] <aziz> i can't load the speedstep-centrino.ko module. can somebody help me?
[08:05] <aziz> FATAL: Error inserting speedstep_centrino (path/to/speedstep-centrino.ko): No such device
[08:05] <tom_> alonea i never had trouble back in edgy, but im im kde now so i cant test sorry
[08:05] <aziz> that's what I get if I do sudo modprobe speedstep-centrino
[08:05] <tom_> sercik: you need kommander
[08:06] <sercik> thank you tom_ i hae find it
[08:06] <sercik> what is exactly a .kmdr file?
[08:06] <tom_> alonea i think network manager is the only way
[08:06] <Alonea> tom_: yeah, in edgy they didn't cause any problems sitting there, but in fiesty it was a nightmare for a couple days
[08:06] <Alonea> tom_: what does the Ubuntu people use?
[08:06] <tom_> sercik just a script, like a perl script, specifically for kde
[08:07] <tom_> Alonea: network manager seems to be the standard now
[08:07] <tom_> ifup is deprecated i think
[08:07] <sercik> so i can't install i need to execute every time i need..
[08:07] <Alonea> well, that definitely sucks.
[08:08] <sercik> do you know a good qemu frontend?
[08:08] <tom_> sercik just copy it to /usr/bin and mae executable it should be ok
[08:08] <sercik> i don't need kmdr-executor?
[08:08] <tom_> yea you do
[08:09] <tom_> thats like the interpreter
[08:09] <sercik> but i need first time or every time^
[08:09] <sercik> ?
[08:09] <tom_> just install kommander and then copy the script to /usr/bin and make executable
[08:10] <sercik> ok
[08:10] <rysiek|pl> amin81: are you there?
[08:10] <amin81> rysiek: Hey! Yeah, Just got here. Whatsup?
[08:11] <rysiek|pl> amin81: ah, you now, nothing much
[08:11] <sercik> tom_ i have tried but don't work
[08:12] <amin81> rysiek: I tried the commands again...it still says "network unreachable" when trying to set default gateway
[08:12] <sercik> i have maked executable anc copied to /usr/local/bin but i can't execute it
[08:12] <tom_> what happens when you try?
[08:13] <amin81> rysiek: when I try to ping 195.... it still says destination host unreachable
[08:13] <rysiek|pl> amin81: ok, got another thought in the mean time
[08:13] <amin81> rysiek: ok
[08:16] <rysiek|pl> amin81: try this: 1. sudo /etc/init.d/networking stop; 2. sudo killall -15 dhclient3; 3. plug the cable in; 4. sudo /etc/init.d/networking start; 5. wait a few (~5-10) seconds; 6. ifconfig eth0 | grep 'inet addr'; 7. ping -c 3 192.168.0.1 | grep transmitted; 8. re-plug the cable to the IRC box and msg me - I need the output of 6. and 7.
[08:16] <rysiek|pl> amin81: don't forget to plug the cable in ;)
[08:17] <amin81> rysiek: Hahaha! I wont. :) See you in a bit
[08:19] <Chr1831> Hello
[08:21] <sercik> tom_ it gives an error i can only run with kmdr-executor
[08:21] <sercik> but no problem is not important
[08:22] <NSCAD_Nathan> anyone know for a good Samba howto? I can see the shares on the network, but they won't let me connect :/
[08:22] <amin81> rysiek: it froze while I commanded "networking stop"
[08:23] <rysiek|pl> amin81: "froze"?
[08:23] <Gharbeia> Hi, Ihave trouble running Kmail and GPG. Iget backend failure. Any clues on what to do?
[08:24] <rysiek|pl> Gharbeia: do you have KGpg installed and running?
[08:24] <amin81> rysiek: sorry, crashed :)
[08:24] <Gharbeia> rysiek|pl: Yes
[08:24] <rysiek|pl> amin81: the whole box?
[08:24] <amin81> rysiek: yes
[08:24] <amin81> rysiek: i can move the mouse cursor but cannot click on anything
[08:24] <rysiek|pl> Gharbeia: hmmm, what exactly are you trying to do?
[08:25] <rysiek|pl> amin81: try: Ctrl+Alt+Backspace
[08:25] <Gharbeia> rysiek|pl: Iam trying to sign or encrypt, but Ifail to link my identity to a key, because something is wrong with the backend
[08:25] <amin81> rysiek: black screen...nothing is happening
[08:26] <amin81> rysiek: should I manually restart`?
[08:26] <rysiek|pl> amin81: ok, just reboot, yah
[08:26] <rysiek|pl> *yeah
[08:26] <rysiek|pl> amin81: but that is *very* strange
[08:26] <Gharbeia> An error occurred while fetching the keys from the backend General error
[08:26] <rysiek|pl> Gharbeia: hmmm... do you have Gpg installed, then?
[08:26] <Gharbeia> rysiek|pl: This is what Iget ^
[08:26] <amin81> rysiek: ok. I will need the commands again. Sorry
[08:26] <Gharbeia> rysiek|pl: Yes :)
[08:27] <rysiek|pl> amin81: no prob, here you are:
[08:27] <rysiek|pl> amin81: try this: 1. sudo /etc/init.d/networking stop; 2. sudo killall -15 dhclient3; 3. plug the cable in; 4. sudo /etc/init.d/networking start; 5. wait a few (~5-10) seconds; 6. ifconfig eth0 | grep 'inet addr'; 7. ping -c 3 192.168.0.1 | grep transmitted; 8. re-plug the cable to the IRC box and msg me - I need the output of 6. and 7.
[08:27] <amin81> rysiek: thnx
[08:27] <rysiek|pl> Gharbeia: I don't get it, then. works flawlessly on my box
[08:28] <sercik> do you know a good frontend or qemu?
[08:28] <rysiek|pl> Gharbeia: I don't think I can help you, I am not exactly a gpg-expert :/
[08:28] <rysiek|pl> sercik: qemuctl and qemu-launcher
[08:28] <Gharbeia> rysiek|pl: Thanks anyway
[08:29] <rysiek|pl> sercik: just do aptitude search qemu :)
[08:30] <sercik> i have noone gui in repository
[08:30] <rysiek|pl> sercik: hat version of kubuntu are you using
[08:30] <rysiek|pl> *what
[08:31] <sercik> dapper
[08:32] <rysiek|pl> sercik: ahh... well, in that case you are pretty much on your own. do: apt-cache search qemu and look for "GUI"
[08:32] <rysiek|pl> sercik: if it won't find anything - well, you can google for it, download the code and we can try to compile it together
[08:32] <sercik> rysiek|pl: i have already told that tere aren't gui in repository i'm not a newbye
[08:33] <sercik> i have find website but i can't open it
[08:33] <phoxy> is there an advantage to running the Nvidia driver vs using hte generic NV driver that comes with Kubuntu?
[08:33] <rysiek|pl> sercik: maybe try #ubuntu-it, there should be some guys from Italy there ;)
[08:34] <sercik> rysiek|pl: i don't understand i have no problems here
[08:34] <sercik> how can you understand i'm italian
[08:34] <rysiek|pl> /whois sercik ;)
[08:35] <sercik> interesting
[08:35] <rysiek|pl> try: /whois rysiek|pl - you'll see that my full name ends with .pl. that gives an idea about location
[08:35] <rysiek|pl> sercik: ^^
[08:35] <amin81> rysiek: looks much better!
[08:35] <rysiek|pl> amin81: oh?
[08:35] <Jeroenw> Hi!
[08:35] <amin81> i'll give you the print in a while
[08:36] <rysiek|pl> amin81: sure, waiting eagerly :] 
[08:36] <phoxy> is there an advantage to running the Nvidia driver vs using the generic NV driver that comes with Kubuntu?
[08:36] <amin81> rysiek: 0% packet loss
[08:36] <rysiek|pl> yay! ya-hay!
[08:36] <Yorokobi> phoxy, do you plan on using and 3D apps/games?
[08:36] <rysiek|pl> phoxy: aye, the proprietary nvidia driver has much better performance
[08:37] <phoxy> no
[08:37] <rysiek|pl> phoxy: BUT it is *not* OpenSource, unfortunately
[08:37] <phoxy> I had a LOT of trouble with Nvidia in Edgy
[08:37] <rysiek|pl> phoxy: besides it does not support GeForce 4 and older
[08:37] <phoxy> and just now I accidentally changed the driver, and had a hard time getting back to NV
[08:37] <phoxy> I have Geoforce2
[08:37] <rysiek|pl> phoxy: believe me, not possibly more than I with ATI on any linux :)
[08:38] <rysiek|pl> phoxy: then the proprietary nvidia driver won't work for you
[08:38] <phoxy> I believe it-- hardware support in LInux stinks
[08:38] <rysiek|pl> phoxy: nope, wrong
[08:38] <phoxy> (not our fault, of course)
[08:38] <rysiek|pl> phoxy: gf card vendor's support for linux stinks
[08:38] <rysiek|pl> phoxy: no other system has such a wide variety of supported hardware, though
[08:38] <amin81> rysiek: i dont know what's wrong with the computer! it crashed again
[08:39] <phoxy> ok.  Whatever the reason, the poor user is on her own
[08:39] <diepruis> heya, anyone have any idea why Kate's embedded terminal would suddenly disappear when run from anything but the terminal?
[08:39] <rysiek|pl> phoxy: e.g. processors - ARM, SPARC, i368, ia64 i86_64, ...
[08:39] <rysiek|pl> phoxy: wrong again! what about the community? ;)
[08:39] <BluesKaj> NSCAD_Nathan, it may be a jus t a matter of your username and password configuration ...this command helped me get read write permissions fro my wifes windows pc to my linuxbox on our LAN
[08:39] <rysiek|pl> amin81: the linux box crashed again?
[08:40] <amin81> rysiek: as in, i can use the konsole but cannot open any documents!
[08:40] <phoxy> I know, but if I have to reinstall and reconfigure some of the restricted parts of the OS just becasue I bought a higher resolution monitor, all that evaporates
[08:40] <amin81> rysiek: it has partly crashed
[08:40] <BluesKaj> NSCAD_Nathan,  : sudo smbpasswd -a username
[08:40] <rysiek|pl> amin81: very strange. seems like the X (graphical) server has issues
[08:40] <rysiek|pl> amin81: we'll fight with it later, now let's finish the net, shall we? ;)
[08:41] <amin81> rysiek: sorry, yes
[08:41] <rysiek|pl> amin81: you can get to text-only mode with Ctrl+Alt+F1
[08:41] <amin81> rysiek: i will write the print manually
[08:41] <rysiek|pl> amin81: ok
[08:41] <amin81> rysiek: iconfig eth0....says:
[08:41] <amin81> inet addr:192.168.0.101
[08:42] <amin81> Bcast: 192.168.1.255
[08:42] <amin81> Mask: 255.255.255.0
[08:42] <amin81> rysiek: ping -c... says:
[08:42] <amin81> 3 packets transmitted, 3 recieved, 0% packet loss, time 2004 ms :)
[08:43] <jussi01> can someone mention dock apps that work _without_ bery/compiz ?
[08:43] <rysiek|pl> amin81: ok, we are almost there, I think
[08:43] <diepruis> Noone to help with my Kate problem?
[08:43] <jeroen__> Hello
[08:44] <amin81> rysiek: i pressed ctrl+alt+f1. it fully crashed...again. :(
[08:44] <rysiek|pl> amin81: I suppose you might have a problem with hardware
[08:44] <rysiek|pl> :/
[08:44] <amin81> rysiek: ok, back to text only mode...
[08:46] <amin81> rysiek: so sorry
[08:46] <amin81> rysiek: had to reboot with the power button again
[08:46] <rysiek|pl> amin81: don't worry
[08:47] <amin81> do i need to write the commands again?
[08:47] <BluesKaj> dieprus , sometimes kate updates the file you're asking for and it takes a couple of tries to call it up.
[08:47] <ubuntu_> ubotu grub
[08:47] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[08:48] <rysiek|pl> amin81: yeah, gimme a sec, and you'll get them
[08:48] <amin81> i have them on the irc box
[08:48] <amin81> copied them this time :)
[08:48] <rysiek|pl> amin81: a wee bit different they will be
[08:48] <amin81> rysiek: ok
[08:49] <rysiek|pl> amin81: 1. sudo /etc/init.d/networking stop; 2. plug-in the network cable to the linux box; 2. sudo /etc/init.d/networking start (and wait a few seconds); 3. ifconfig eth0 | grep 'inet addr'; 4. sudo route add default gw 192.168.0.1; 5. ping -c 3 192.168.0.1 | grep transmitted; 6. ping -c 3 195.114.161.61 | grep transmitted; 7. ifconfig eth0 | grep 'inet addr' (yes, again); 8. re-plu the cable to the IRC box and get back to me
[08:49] <jordo23_> Is it possible to burn a .MDF windows image file to disc in Kubuntu?
[08:50] <amin81> rysiek: brb
[08:50] <rysiek|pl> amin81: oops, I messed the numbers a bit - heh, nevermind
[08:50] <rysiek|pl> jordo23_: I think there was a way
[08:50] <phoxy> has anyone succeeded in using the Flash player in Firefox or Opera under Kubuntu?
[08:50] <diepruis> BluesKaj: It's been like this for a while now, I don't think it's an intermittent problem.
[08:50] <jordo23_> rysiek|pl: was?
[08:51] <rysiek|pl> jordo23_: "was" == "is, heard of it, but don't remember right now" :)_
[08:51] <BluesKaj> exactly what do you mean deprius ,has kate disappeared altogether ?
[08:51] <_Therock> okay now i have narrowed down the problem
[08:51] <_Therock> there is no shutdown option in my xgl kubuntu
[08:51] <BluesKaj> oops diepruis
[08:52] <_Therock> i think it's because my kdm dont start xsession correct
[08:52] <_Therock> :/
[08:52] <amin81> rysiek: i dont need the killall command right?
[08:52] <rysiek|pl> jordo23_: mdf2iso - sudo aptitude install mdf2iso
[08:52] <rysiek|pl> amin81: no, rather not
[08:52] <amin81> rysiek: ok, brb
[08:52] <diepruis> BluesKaj: the embedded Konsole has disappeared - it only comes up if I start from the command line :)
[08:52] <rysiek|pl> amin81: but
[08:52] <rysiek|pl> amin81: there are quite a few new/changed commands
[08:52] <rysiek|pl> amin81: don't loose them ;)
[08:52] <amin81> i wont :)
[08:53] <rysiek|pl> _Therock: no, it's a known problem with XGL
[08:53] <jordo23_> rysiek|pl: Thanks
[08:53] <phoxy> diepruis-- type alt-F2 Konsole
[08:53] <rysiek|pl> jordo23_: nop
[08:53] <_Therock> ah, so is there a solotion rysiek|pl ?
[08:53] <phoxy> has anyone succeeded in using the Flash player in Firefox or Opera under Kubuntu?
[08:53] <phal__> hi, is there any way to sharpen the fonts in kubuntu? theye are too smooth
[08:53] <rysiek|pl> _Therock: nothing I know of (and I would dearly love to get one)
[08:53] <_Therock> heh
[08:53] <_Therock> well i had them for like one login
[08:54] <_Therock> i did the cookie thing
[08:54] <phal__> phoxy: yes it worked the first time
[08:54] <diepruis> phoxy: that works fine
[08:54] <BluesKaj> diepruis, it doesn't come up in the runbox ..kdesu kate or konqueror /etc/apt/filename ?
[08:54] <rysiek|pl> _Therock: google? I am doing some other thing now, but if you find a howto, we can work through it together
[08:54] <jeroen__> What is the BEST game on Kubuntu?
[08:54] <diepruis> BluesKaj: I'm not sure I understand
[08:54] <_Therock> yeah sure i will try to google some more :)
[08:54] <rysiek|pl> jeroen__: tough one!
[08:54] <diepruis> jeroen__: Kolf :)
[08:54] <_Therock> the truth is out there :)
[08:54] <rysiek|pl> _Therock: you said it, bro!
[08:54] <rysiek|pl> ;)
[08:54] <_Therock> :D
[08:55] <BluesKaj> use the 'run' command dialog
[08:55] <jeroen__> Kolf, is that a game?
[08:55] <diepruis> BluesKaj: Mmmm... kdesu kate seems to solve the problem
[08:55] <houseofbugs> i need some help making Beryl load on startup
[08:55] <diepruis> BluesKaj: If that's what you meant
[08:55] <BluesKaj> yes, that's what i meant
[08:55] <diepruis> BluesKaj: You want me to run konqueror /etc/apt/filename as wel?
[08:56] <BluesKaj> try that too
[08:56] <diepruis> BluesKaj: I think that's opening KWrite, cause I don't see the terminal button thingy
[08:57] <phal__> >>>is there any way to sharpen the fonts in kubuntu? theye are too smooth
[08:57] <diepruis> BluesKaj: You think it's my user's config files causing the problem?
[08:57] <nimble> system settings>appearance>fonts
[08:57] <BluesKaj> it will say kate or konqueror on the titlebar if it's kate or konqueror
[08:57] <phal__> nimble: that doesnt help they are still as smooth as they were
[08:57] <rysiek|pl> phal__: System Settings -> Look'N'Feel (or something similar) -> Fonts -> turn AntiAliasing off
[08:58] <diepruis> BluesKaj: Sorry, I meant I though konqueror is embedding KWrite and not Kate to handle the text file
[08:58] <nimble> it wont change all text straight away
[08:59] <leiar> what do i write to add all users to audio group?
[08:59] <BluesKaj> diepruis, frankly i have no idea what's causing it...perhaps re - embedding kate , but I don't use that procedure so i can't say for sure
[08:59] <amin81> rysiek: it looks good!
[08:59] <rysiek|pl> amin81: great! did the first and second invocation of ifconfig differ in any way?
[09:00] <amin81> rysiek: except for a 33% packet loss on the external ip...let me give you the details
[09:00] <diepruis> BluesKaj: mmm.. thanks anyway at least I have an angle on it now
[09:00] <rysiek|pl> amin81: point is, the external IP worked ;)
[09:00] <amin81> rysiek: no, they are the same
[09:00] <amin81> rysiek: i will give you the details:
[09:00] <rysiek|pl> ok
[09:01] <amin81> ifconfig eth0... inet addr: 192.168.0.101
[09:01] <rysiek|pl> houseofbugs: which version of kubuntu are you using?
[09:01] <amin81> B cast: 192.168.1.255 Mask: 255.255.255.0
[09:01] <rysiek|pl> amin81: aye, great
[09:01] <amin81> sudo rout add default...without any problems
[09:02] <rysiek|pl> aye
[09:02] <amin81> ping -c 3 192....: 0% packet loss
[09:02] <houseofbugs> @rysiek|pl: 7.04
[09:02] <amin81> ping 195.114.......33% packet loss
[09:02] <amin81> and the last: infconfig eth0.....is the same as before
[09:02] <rysiek|pl> amin81: ok, we are almost there :)
[09:03] <qsu> could somebody help me with my sound, i can hear sound playing from amarok but it cant record sound so that i can use skype
[09:03] <amin81> rysiek: finally :D
[09:03] <rysiek|pl> amin81: I need to write a short script for you, gimme me 10mins
[09:03] <amin81> rysiek: ok
[09:03] <rysiek|pl> houseofbugs: if you wait ~20mins I will be able to give you a script that starts beryl and em,erald on my box :)
[09:03] <rysiek|pl> whoa, the deadlines are tight ;)
[09:04] <amin81> rysiek: hahaha
[09:05] <nimble> it says how to autostart beryl on the beryl wiki
[09:06] <nimble> http://wiki.beryl-project.org/wiki/Install_Beryl_on_Ubuntu_Feisty_with_AIGLX
[09:08] <amin81> a
[09:10] <rysiek|pl> amin81: ok, now, DON'T re-plug the cable to the linux box yet
[09:10] <Ireclan> Anyone here have any experience with KMail/Kontact?
[09:10] <rysiek|pl> amin81: are you in text mode, or in the graphical UI?
[09:10] <rysiek|pl> Ireclan: I do
[09:10] <venik> when I type into Firefox address line about:plugins It tells me that the Macromedia Flash player is installed naad enabled, but when I try to use it to play cnn.com videos, nothing happens
[09:11] <rysiek|pl> venik: tried another website? maybe CNN checks against Firefox?
[09:11] <rysiek|pl> venik: try YouTube, and disable an ad blocker
[09:12] <Ireclan> rysiek|pl: Is it possible to set up some sort of Junkmail filter?
[09:12] <amin81> rysiek: i am in the graphical mode
[09:12] <venik> how do I get it to work?
[09:12] <amin81> rysiek: i dont dare to switch mode...hehehe
[09:12] <nimble> kmail has some spam filter options
[09:13] <rysiek|pl> amin81: ok, in konsole: kdesu kate /etc/network/interfaces
[09:13] <rysiek|pl> amin81: in the dialog input your password
[09:13] <Ireclan> nimble: Mind enlightening me on them, please?
[09:13] <Karti> Hi all.........Kontact question please
[09:13] <amin81> rysiek: ok
[09:14] <rysiek|pl> amin81: in the file find the line "iface eth0 inet dhcp"
[09:14] <amin81> rysiek: let me know when to switch the cable over
[09:14] <Karti> Can you transfer MS Outlook .pst files to Kontact?
[09:14] <jordo23> Is there a way to start Konversaion minimized?
[09:14] <nimble> but, i wouldnt use them with an imap email, it froze up and i dunno exactly what happened, but my other computer registers a whole load of new emails come through
[09:14] <jordo23> In system tray?
[09:14] <rysiek|pl> amin81: and DIRECTLY below that line paste this: post-up    if ifconfig eth0 | grep 'Bcast:192.168.1.' | grep 'inet addr:192.168.0' > /dev/null && ! ip r | grep default | grep '192.168.0.' > /dev/null; then route add default gw 192.168.0.1; fi
[09:15] <rysiek|pl> jordo23: you would have to look in Konv's options
[09:15] <nimble> anyway, go to tools>anti spam wizard
[09:15] <bxnp> anybody who can help me with my mic problem
[09:15] <jordo23> rysiek|pl: Didn't see it there....already looked
[09:16] <rysiek|pl> jordo23: in taht case - I have no idea :/
[09:16] <jordo23> :)
[09:17] <amin81> rysiek: as I am a first time user of linux i will ask a few stupid questions...hehe
[09:17] <rysiek|pl> aye, go for it
[09:17] <nimble> to disable the anti spam filter for an account go to settings>configure filters>advanced
[09:17] <amin81> rysiek: when you say exactly, should i paste it without leaving any space below iface eth0?
[09:17] <josh_> ive got a strange issue. I have a PCMCIA Compact Flash Card reader... if I plug it into a 32bit system.. works like a charm.. on this 64x2 Turion... it wont work... infact it has issues reading the digital camera directly...
[09:17] <rysiek|pl> amin81: gimme a sec, I'll give you an example :)
[09:18] <josh_> would anyone know what software I would require?
[09:18] <Tuhyk> hi, does anyone here have Dell Inspiron 6400? I need to discuss some issues (bluetooth and display)
[09:18] <amin81> rysiek: thank you :)
[09:18] <amin81> rysiek: sorry about that
[09:20] <sky_> Hello everyone
[09:20] <rysiek|pl> amin81: no prob, I was a n00b too ;)
[09:20] <rysiek|pl> amin81: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/20839/
[09:20] <rysiek|pl> amin81: the very long line HAS TO BE a single line
[09:21] <amin81> rysiek: ok, thank you
[09:21] <rysiek|pl> amin81: if unsure, go to the View menu, and un-select the "Dynamically Wrap..."
[09:21] <Tuhyk> well it seems that no inspiron users are here... so, could you help me how to make kubuntu run this "sudo hciconfig hci0 reset" automatically after system start? I need it to run my bluetooth adapter. thanks
[09:21] <rysiek|pl> amin81: afterwards, save the file and paste me it's contents
[09:22] <rysiek|pl> amin81: preferably by saving it, closing Kate and in console: cat /etc/network/interfaces
[09:23] <phal__> is there any cd/dvd writer you can suggest me? like nero
[09:23] <amin81> rysiek: ok 2 more stupid questions: is that a tab before and after "post-up"?
[09:23] <rysiek|pl> phal__: k3b
[09:23] <rysiek|pl> phal__: waaaay better than nero
[09:23] <gustuX> there is a nero for linux too
[09:23] <phal__> thank you going to try that :)
[09:24] <rysiek|pl> amin81: can be a tab, can be a few spaces
[09:24] <rysiek|pl> phal__: nop :)
[09:24] <amin81> rysiek: ok
[09:24] <moshea> hi, has anyone had a problem with x11vnc not accepting connections after an upgrade to Feisty ?
[09:24] <rysiek|pl> gustuX: gah, yeah, try not to remember it ;)
[09:25] <bxnp> anybody who could help this poor soul to talk with his new girlfriend over skype :)
[09:25] <BluesKaj> nero6 on windoze is good , nero linux sucks ...K3B runs well
[09:25] <rysiek|pl> bxnp: oh god, skype
[09:25] <rysiek|pl> bxnp: my poor, lost soul, why not OpenWengo ;)
[09:25] <bxnp> ehm its not a skype problem
[09:26] <rysiek|pl> bxnp: ah, the mike problem ;)
[09:26] <bxnp> its a problem with linux my mic does not work
[09:26] <rysiek|pl> bxnp: tried enabling it in KMix?
[09:26] <rysiek|pl> bxnp: (the speaker icon in the tray)
[09:26] <BluesKaj> or alsamixer
[09:27] <bxnp> oke well i have normal sound, i can listen to music
[09:27] <bxnp> let me try in kmix
[09:27] <rysiek|pl> bxnp: click the icon, click "Mixer" and select the "Input" tab
[09:27] <bxnp> i have master pcm mic boost en internal mic boost
[09:27] <bxnp> in output
[09:28] <rysiek|pl> bxnp: in Input you need the RED dot BELOW the mic slider LIGHTENED UP
[09:28] <rysiek|pl> bxnp: and, of course, the slider as high as it goes ;)
[09:28] <rysiek|pl> amin81: what's with the interfaces file?
[09:30] <jeroen__> How are you guy's?
[09:30] <rysiek|pl> fine, thanks :)
[09:30] <sky_> I have a question: Why i can't change theme in Emerald Manger?
[09:31] <rysiek|pl> sky_: huh? what do you mean?
[09:31] <Tuhyk> guys could you help me what should I do to have this command "sudo hciconfig hci0 reset" start automatically when the system boots?
[09:32] <rysiek|pl> Tuhyk: you can either write your own startup script, or place it in some startup script that already exists
[09:32] <sky_> I use Beryl and in Emerald in can't change Theme
[09:32] <Jeroenw> why I'm nog able to send private messages? I'm registred;
[09:32] <amin81> rysiek: ok, sorry back
[09:32] <amin81> i wrote the whole line manually
[09:33] <nimble> what do you mean cant change theme?
[09:33] <rysiek|pl> amin81: ok, nop. can you paste the whole /etc/network/interfaces on the pastebin? I just want to make *sure* we won't mess anything up ;)
[09:33] <Tuhyk> rysiek|pl:  right and where I can find these scripts? :) thanks
[09:33] <amin81> rysiek: without copy paste...as I was using the memory stick before for transferring over the text but it crashed a few times when I wanted to remove the memory stick
[09:34] <esunder> does beryl have a log?
[09:34] <rysiek|pl> Tuhyk: in /etc/init.d/ - I would edit the /etc/init.d/bootmisc file
[09:34] <amin81> yes, I will...nothing happens if it crashes again right?
[09:34] <rysiek|pl> amin81: ah, so that's it!
[09:34] <amin81> rystiek: yes, I will...nothing happens if it crashes again right?
[09:34] <rysiek|pl> amin81: if you saved the file, no
[09:34] <rysiek|pl> amin81: wait
[09:34] <rysiek|pl> amin81: did you unmount the usb-stick BEFORE removing it?
[09:34] <amin81> rystuiek: yes
[09:35] <rysiek|pl> amin81: ah, ok, nevermind
[09:35] <esunder> does beryl have a log?
[09:35] <amin81> rystiek: I do that every time...that is when the comp crashed the second time
[09:35] <qsu> rysiek|pl: something went wrong with my network
[09:35] <rysiek|pl> esunder: no idea. why would you need one?
[09:35] <bxnp> anyway i am in kmix rysiek|pl
[09:35] <Tuhyk> rysiek|pl:  ok, thanks I'm gonna try it now :)
[09:35] <esunder> well i followed the ubuntu feisty install guide but it is not working
[09:36] <rysiek|pl> Tuhyk: wait, not so fast ;)
[09:36] <dromer> hi all, to watch this site: stage6.divx.com using Synaptic I removed my mozilla-plugin-vlc and installed mozilla-mplayer but the site still asks for me to install mplayer for my browser. any ideas?
[09:36] <bxnp> in the input tab, i have mic boost capture and internal mic boost
[09:36] <rysiek|pl> bxnp: do you have a Mic or Microphone slieder?
[09:37] <rysiek|pl> amin81: ok, nevermind then. let's assume you didn't b0rk anythiong there ;) if you would, it would only affect networking anyway
[09:37] <Tuhyk> rysiek|pl: ooh, I'm still here, anything else needs to be done?
[09:38] <rysiek|pl> Tuhyk: gimme a sec
[09:40] <rysiek|pl> amin81: 1. sudo /etc/init.d/networking stop; 2. plug-in the cable to the linux box; 3. sudo /etc/init.d/networking start; 4. wait a few seconds; 5. ifconfig eth0 | grep 'inet addr'; 6. ip r | grep default; 7. ping -c 3 192.168.0.1 | grep transmitted; 8. ping -c 3 195.114.161.61 | grep transmitted; 9. ping -c 3 www.google.com | grep transmitted; 10. re-plug the cable to the IRC box and drop me a line :)
[09:40] <coloco> alguien me puede decir porque no puedo instalar el xubuntu?
[09:40] <coloco> se me queda al 0% de la instalacion
[09:40] <rysiek|pl> coloco: are you from spain?
[09:40] <amin81> rysiek: ok! done!
[09:40] <BluesKaj> dromer , if you check about:plugins you prolly have an old version of the mplayer plugin ...the latest is the 3.35.. the repos for it will nedd to be added to your sources list : http://download.tuxfamily.org
[09:40] <amin81> rysiek: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/20843/
[09:40] <coloco> yes
[09:40] <rysiek|pl> coloco: try #ubuntu-es
[09:41] <rysiek|pl> Tuhyk: are you still here?
[09:42] <amin81> rysiek: i double checked it, it looks fine
[09:42] <Jeroenw> rysiek|pl: How can I install a .tar.gz?
[09:42] <rysiek|pl> amin81: great
[09:42] <amin81> rysiek: cool
[09:42] <rysiek|pl> amin81: just as it should be :)
[09:42] <rysiek|pl> amin81: 1. sudo /etc/init.d/networking stop; 2. plug-in the cable to the linux box; 3. sudo /etc/init.d/networking start; 4. wait a few seconds; 5. ifconfig eth0 | grep 'inet addr'; 6. ip r | grep default; 7. ping -c 3 192.168.0.1 | grep transmitted; 8. ping -c 3 195.114.161.61 | grep transmitted; 9. ping -c 3 www.google.com | grep transmitted; 10. re-plug the cable to the IRC box and drop me a line :)
[09:42] <amin81> rysiek: :) good. Now what?
[09:42] <amin81> ok
[09:42] <rysiek|pl> amin81: gluck! :)
[09:42] <Tuhyk> rysiek|pl:  yes, still waiting :)
[09:42] <dromer> BluesKaj: hmm, thxn I'm looking for it right now, what I can find is: mplayerplug-in 3.31
[09:43] <rysiek|pl> Tuhyk: kdesu kate /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh
[09:43] <amin81> rysiek: hehehe! gluck!
[09:43] <rysiek|pl> Tuhyk: and insert your line(s) just BEFORE this line:         # Remove bootclean's flag files.
[09:44] <rysiek|pl> Tuhyk: save the file and you are done :) although, preferably, do paste it on http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/ and give me the link, so that I can check if it's ok
[09:44] <BluesKaj> ok dromer , the repository site i gave you is wrong ... google for the tuxfamily repos
[09:44] <rysiek|pl> Tuhyk: it wouldn't be a good thing if you messed up your init scripts ;)
[09:44] <Tuhyk> rysiek|pl:  ok, I'll try it, thanks
[09:44] <rysiek|pl> Jeroenw: you mean a tar.gz with a program sources?
[09:44] <rysiek|pl> Tuhyk: nop
[09:44] <dromer> BluesKaj: ok, why isn't the one in the normal repo's working?
[09:46] <Tuhyk> rysiek|pl:  ok here it is - http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/20844/
[09:46] <Jeroenw> rysiek|pl: yes
[09:47] <BluesKaj> dromer,  'deb http://download.tuxfamily.org/3v1deb edgy 3v1n0'   'deb-src http://download.tuxfamily.org/3v1deb edgy 3v1n0'
[09:47] <rysiek|pl> Jeroenw: open konsole, cd to the directory with the tar.gz file
[09:47] <Jeroenw> rysiek|pl: ok
[09:48] <rysiek|pl> Jeroenw: tar -xzf the_file.tar.gz && cd the_new_directory && ./configure && make && sudo make install
[09:48] <dromer> BluesKaj: I'm on feisty, can I add those as well ?
[09:48] <rysiek|pl> Tuhyk: looks AOK
[09:48] <rysiek|pl> Tuhyk: should work :)
[09:48] <Tuhyk> rysiek|pl:  ok I'm gonna try it, be right back
[09:48] <BluesKaj> yes
[09:49] <BluesKaj> dromer, or you can find them here as well : http://gapz.tuxfamily.org/repos/index-depot.html
[09:50] <Jeroenw> rysiek|pl: wow thanks ^^
[09:50] <BluesKaj> just change the "edgy" to "feisty"
[09:50] <BluesKaj> or dapper to feisty
[09:52] <rysiek|pl> Jeroenw: no prob, we'll se if it compiles and works :)
[09:52] <dromer> BluesKaj: ok I found it, thnx :)
[09:52] <amin81> rysiek: :( :/ :s :( :(
[09:53] <bxnp> rysiek|pl: ehm i have some serious network problems
[09:53] <amin81> rysiek: it didnt work!! couldnt ping the external ip...let me post it for you
[09:53] <bxnp> but anyway about my mic problem
[09:53] <bxnp> what should i do
[09:53] <rysiek|pl> amin81: ok
[09:55] <Tuhyk> rysiek|pl: well it didn't help, but the situation changed - now it doesn't work at all, when I type it it does nothing
[09:55] <amin81> rysiek: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/20847/
[09:55] <rysiek|pl> Tuhyk: ok, then it must be run AFTER bootmisc.sh script
[09:56] <rysiek|pl> Tuhyk: delete the line from that script, and you would have to write your own
[09:56] <rysiek|pl> Tuhuk: or... a moment, please :)
[09:56] <rysiek|pl> amin81: on it
[09:56] <insystel> hi
[09:56] <eguzki> hi
[09:56] <insystel> im spanish
[09:56] <amin81> rysiek: no probs...sorry
[09:57] <eguzki> hola
[09:57] <rysiek|pl> amin81: no problem, you don't have to apologize :)
[09:57] <rysiek|pl> amin81: I must have done an error or something
[09:57] <eguzki> hablo mejor el espaol que el ingles
[09:58] <amin81> rysiek: hmm
[09:58] <insystel> yo tambien hablo mejor espaol que ingles
[09:58] <rysiek|pl> amin81: got it!
[09:58] <amin81> post-up    if ifconfig eth0 | grep 'Bcast:192.168.1.' | grep 'inet addr:192.168.0'
[09:58] <amin81> rysiek: is that line correct?
[09:58] <amin81> rysiek: oh, ok
[09:59] <rysiek|pl> amin81: ...! ip r | grep default | grep '192.168.0.' > /dev/null; then route add default gw 192.168.0.1: fi... -> there should be ';', not ':', after 'route add default gw 192.168.0.1'
[09:59] <rysiek|pl> amin81:  a semicolon, not colon :)
[09:59] <BluesKaj> !es | insystel
[09:59] <ubotu> insystel: Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[09:59] <amin81> rysiek: haha! that detail was the problem?
[10:00] <rysiek|pl> amin81: yup
[10:00] <insystel> pero como soy nuevo en este systema operativo no se como moverme
[10:00] <rysiek|pl> amin81: just do: kdesu kate /etc/network/interfaces
[10:00] <rysiek|pl> amin81: and change "gw 192.168.0.1: fi" to "gw 192.168.0.1; fi"
[10:00] <BluesKaj> !es | insystel
[10:00] <amin81> ok
[10:00] <ubotu> insystel: Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[10:00] <rysiek|pl> amin81: and then...
[10:01] <rysiek|pl> amin81: 1. sudo /etc/init.d/networking stop; 2. plug-in the cable to the linux box; 3. sudo /etc/init.d/networking start; 4. wait a few seconds; 5. ifconfig eth0 | grep 'inet addr'; 6. ip r | grep default; 7. ping -c 3 192.168.0.1 | grep transmitted; 8. ping -c 3 195.114.161.61 | grep transmitted; 9. ping -c 3 www.google.com | grep transmitted; 10. re-plug the cable to the IRC box and drop me a line :)
[10:01] <Tuhyk> rysiek|pl:  ok, maybe this should help - I do it according to this howto (http://linux6400.wordpress.com/2007/04/23/bluetooth-how-to/), but probably I do something wrong
[10:01] <Jeroenw> Anyone knows there are a lot of people who play Cube 3D?
[10:01] <amin81> rysiek: same thing as before?
[10:02] <amin81> rysiek: yes... :)
[10:02] <Rictoo> How would I get Ubuntu to redetect my monitor?
[10:03] <rysiek|pl> if anybody written anything to me during the last 5mins
[10:03] <rysiek|pl> please repeat
[10:03] <Tuhyk> rysiek|pl: ok, maybe this should help - I do it according to this howto (http://linux6400.wordpress.com/2007/04/23/bluetooth-how-to/), but probably I do something wrong
[10:03] <ziofiltro> hi
[10:03] <ziofiltro> i'm ziofiltro
[10:03] <BluesKaj> Rictoo, are on kubuntu now ?
[10:03] <rysiek|pl> Tuhyk: or probably not :)
[10:03] <Rictoo> BluesKaj: Yes
[10:03] <Rictoo> I got a new LCD monitor
[10:04] <Rictoo> I want Ubuntu to redetect it =p
[10:04] <Rictoo> I haven't plugged it in yet
[10:05] <BluesKaj> Rictoo, check system settings/monitor & display/ configure monitor ..you should see your's in a the list
[10:05] <rysiek|pl> amin81: drop me a message when you change the file and test it ;)
[10:05] <Rictoo> Ok, thanks
[10:06] <pulaski> hello
[10:09] <amin81> rysiek: wohooooo! :D
[10:09] <rysiek|pl> amin81: works?
[10:09] <amin81> rysiek: a 33% loss when ping 195...
[10:09] <rysiek|pl> yeah, it's a distant server from you
[10:10] <amin81> rysiek: and a 0% loss when ping www.google.com! :D
[10:10] <rysiek|pl> :] 
[10:10] <rysiek|pl> amin81: well, my job is done :)
[10:10] <amin81> rysiek: soooo cool!
[10:10] <Rictoo> WOOT
[10:10] <Rictoo> I LOVE LCD MONITORS
[10:10] <Rictoo> DEY R SO KEWL
[10:10] <Rictoo> But CRT's are pretty good too =/
[10:10] <amin81> let'se see if I can get online...brb...hopefully logged on with the linux box :)
[10:10] <amin81> rysiek: let'se see if I can get online...brb...hopefully logged on with the linux box :)
[10:11] <amin81> rysiek: brb
[10:11] <rysiek|pl> Rictoo: *nothing* beats a 20" LCD with beryl on it :] 
[10:11] <BluesKaj> Rictoo, working ok then .. :)
[10:11] <rysiek|pl> amin81: gluck!
[10:11] <Arwen> Rictoo, what kinda comment was that?
[10:11] <rysiek|pl> Arwen: an emotional one ;)
[10:11] <Rictoo> rysiek|pl: Mines 17"
[10:12] <Rictoo> :(
[10:12] <Arwen> LCDs are nice because they have subpixels, but CRTs are nice because they're cheap and have higher contrast/response
[10:12] <BluesKaj> he's celebrating
[10:12] <rysiek|pl> Rictoo: life's no piece a cake ;)
[10:13] <rysiek|pl> Arwen: what's the problem in that? Mine's a 4:3
[10:13] <amin81> rysiek: :( haha
[10:14] <amin81> rysiek: back on the xp box
[10:14] <Arwen> rysiek|pl, read it again, I need one that has 4:3... meaning my current one doesn't
[10:14] <pulaski> I have 2computers.  One is a dual boot win2k/feisty fawn kubuntu 7.04 and the other is an old PII dell running kubuntu 7.04 server,  I currently use the dell as an NFS file server to my kubuntu client.  I am now setting up samba on the dell to also serve files to my win2k side.
[10:14] <rysiek|pl> Arwen: ah, m'kay
[10:14] <rysiek|pl> Arwen: sorry
[10:14] <Arwen> yeah, dunno why display manufacturers came up with the idea of 1280x1024
[10:14] <Arwen> shitty
[10:14] <Rictoo> BluesKaj: It didn't redetect it
[10:14] <Rictoo> in xorg.conf it still shows my previous monitor
[10:14] <rysiek|pl> amin81: was that "back on xp, something messed up" or "back on xp, linux has net though"?
[10:15] <amin81> rysiek: no, back on xp, something messed up
[10:15] <nimble> 1280x1024 must been cheaper to produce
[10:15] <rysiek|pl> amin81: argh.
[10:15] <nimble> why would you want a 4:3 over 16:10 though?
[10:15] <amin81> rysiek: when I reconnected the cable and started firefox, it did not work
[10:15] <BluesKaj> Rictoo,just choose it from the list...mine is old but it wasn't detected either , no biggie just to choose the monitor from the list.
[10:15] <Arwen> nimble, widescreen sucks.....
[10:16] <Rictoo> My monitor isn't in the list oO
[10:16] <amin81> rysiek: when I started konqueror, it did not work
[10:16] <Rictoo> My monitor isn't in the list oO
[10:16] <Arwen> and 16:10 especially sucks
[10:16] <pulaski> can someone recommend a good HOWTO to configure the samba smb.conf and the win2k client?
[10:16] <rysiek|pl> amin81: reconnect the cable, sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart; wait a few seconds, start Ff
[10:16] <Arwen> at least gimme 16:9..
[10:16] <rysiek|pl> amin81: ...or whatever net app
[10:16] <amin81> rysiek: then when I wrote ping -c 3 www.google.com: uknown host
[10:16] <Rictoo> Btw, an LCD monitor at 60hz is the same as 75hz, right?
[10:16] <amin81> rysiek: brb
[10:16] <Rictoo> because both work. Which should I choose?
[10:17] <nimble> widescreens great, vertical space is far less useful than horizontal
[10:17] <Arwen> Rictoo, more Hz is better
[10:17] <rysiek|pl> nimble: nope
[10:17] <phal__> ctry+alt+backspace wont work what can it be?
[10:17] <rysiek|pl> nimble: it depends what you do
[10:17] <Arwen> nimble, hell no, the aspect ratio is non-standard. Not to mention that wallpapers and standard def video fail on widescreen.
[10:17] <rysiek|pl> nimble: I webdevelop and write apps, I don't need the horizontal space, I *really* need the vertical space
[10:18] <Arwen> and personally, I do need more vertical space, horizontal space is useless to me
[10:18] <phal__> ctry+alt+backspace wont work what can i do?
[10:18] <Arwen> phal__, it won't work as in it fails to restart X?
[10:19] <nimble> what for?  16:9 allows you to place 2 reasonably sized windows next to each other, 4:3 wont unless youre at a really high resolution
[10:19] <phal__> arwen yes
[10:20] <Arwen> phal__, type in a console "sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart"
[10:20] <pulaski> can someone recommend a comprehensive HOWTO to help me configure my kubuntu 7.04 server running samba with my wind2k client?
[10:20] <Arwen> nimble, because I find most images are larger vertically than horizontally?
[10:20] <phal__> but how can i fix it?
[10:20] <Arwen> nimble, besides, if you need the extra horizontal space, you can double up on displays
[10:20] <Daisuke_Ido> Arwen: so use monitor rotation and use the monitor in portrait mode :)
[10:20] <rysiek|pl> nimble: whet talking about the same screen size (15" for eg.), I prefer 4:3
[10:20] <Arwen> Daisuke_Ido, lol, then I'd have to physically rotate it...
[10:20] <Daisuke_Ido> it can be done :)
[10:21] <rysiek|pl> nimble: I just bought a 20", I could tage either 20" widescreen or 4:3, took the latter
[10:21] <Arwen> Daisuke_Ido, not if it's a CRT? :-)
[10:21] <Daisuke_Ido> how many widescreen crts are there?
[10:21] <rysiek|pl> *take
[10:21] <nimble> well i am talking about 23"/24" really
[10:21] <Arwen> nimble, yeah, again, I refuse to take a widescreen display if it has less than 1200 vertical size :-\
[10:21] <Daisuke_Ido> standard pc monitors.  lcd FAR outweighs those :)
[10:21] <nimble> i dont really like working on screens smaller than that
[10:21] <sa__> rysiek>
[10:21] <sa__> rysiek: hellooooooooooooo! this is amin81 on the linux :)
[10:21] <Arwen> nimble, I wish I had your kind of cash...
[10:22] <rysiek|pl> Daisuke_Ido: oh, no. the CRT's are *far* heavier! ;)
[10:22] <rysiek|pl> sa__: yay!
[10:22] <Daisuke_Ido> oh, here's a discussion point: ati's promise to provide open drivers.  does anyone believe it?
[10:22] <rysiek|pl> :)
[10:22] <Arwen> Daisuke_Ido, no
[10:22] <Daisuke_Ido> rysiek|pl: nice word-twisting :)
[10:22] <sa__> rysiek: so do i need to do the networking restart everytime i start the comp_
[10:22] <sa__> ?
[10:22] <rysiek|pl> Daisuke_Ido: I do. they are loosing market share, they *have* to do it
[10:22] <Arwen> Daisuke_Ido, or, they'll provide an open source driver that does indirect rendering... and poorly too
[10:22] <chief> hm
[10:22] <Daisuke_Ido> Arwen: i think they'll provide an open 2d driver and continue to have a binary blob for 3d drivers
[10:23] <rysiek|pl> Daisuke_Ido: well, I can almost say I am being tought that
[10:23] <weesi> Anyone know how I can get two machines running kubuntu to share files, Im using a dsl router...
[10:23] <pedr1> Hey guys!
[10:23] <rysiek|pl> sa__: not unless the cable is there
[10:23] <Arwen> Daisuke_Ido, which doesn't help at all since radeon works fine for 2d... and doesn't fix the problem that a 1900XTX on fglrx is slower than Intel...
[10:23] <sa__> rysiek: ok!
[10:23] <Tuhyk> btw when you are talking about displays... is there any difference between 50 Mhz and 60 Mhz rerfresh rate on a notebook display? I've managed to set up ideal resolution 1440x900 but only with 50 Mhz refresh (win can do 60 Mhz),
[10:23] <rysiek|pl> sa__: if linux starts with the cable plugged in - it'll work
[10:23] <rysiek|pl> sa__: if you hot-replug, you need it
[10:23] <Arwen> Tuhyk, between 50 and 60? hell yeah
[10:23] <Arwen> after 60, it's kinda hard to tell
[10:24] <Daisuke_Ido> Arwen: but it pays lip service to open source, which is all they're doing
[10:24] <sa__> rysiek: and how about if i connect the comp at someone else's connection
[10:24] <Daisuke_Ido> :)
[10:24] <rysiek|pl> sa__: the networkmanager was supposed to handle this, but it's quite buggy yet
[10:24] <Arwen> Daisuke_Ido, exactly
[10:24] <rysiek|pl> sa__: might just work without networking restart
[10:24] <nimble> 1900 is slower than intel?  :-/ my main computer has a 1900
[10:24] <Arwen> say, don't recent ATI cards lack a 2d core? so you need fglrx to use them at all?
[10:24] <sa__> rysiek: ok
[10:24] <nimble> might have to get a 8800
[10:24] <Daisuke_Ido> then comes nvidia on its white stallion and provides well-done open source 3d drivers.
[10:24] <Daisuke_Ido> and then i wake up
[10:24] <Tuhyk> Arwen:  so I should try to change it? because whatever I do I could not change it, I've edited xorg.conf hundred times with no effect
[10:24] <rysiek|pl> sa__: thing is: your DHCP server sends some bogus info - sets the ip to 192.168.0.x and the Broadcast to 192.168.1.x
[10:25] <weesi> thanks
[10:25] <sa__> rysiek: tooooooooooons of thanx...
[10:25] <Arwen> Tuhyk, hmm... you should probably try to change it but I have no idea how
[10:25] <sa__> rysiek: ok...
[10:25] <rysiek|pl> sa__: and tries to set gatreway to 192.168.1.1 - and the standards-complying systems (like Linux) get confused
[10:25] <Arwen> Daisuke_Ido, or just settle with Intel?
[10:25] <pedr1> I have an error message when I run k3b
[10:25] <pedr1> http://www.mypastebin.com/?code=1758908520
[10:25] <pedr1> anyone can help me to solve it?
[10:25] <Daisuke_Ido> Arwen: it's really difficult for me to go with intel graphics
[10:26] <sa__> rysiek: is there anyway this could be fixed in the next version of linux? so people that have a similar connection as me dont get the same problem in the future
[10:26] <rysiek|pl> sa__: don't mention it, really :) I am just paying my debt back :)
[10:26] <Arwen> Daisuke_Ido, to be fair, if you have the newest chipset (965GM?), the integrated chip is fairly powerful
[10:26] <rysiek|pl> sa__: hmmm
[10:26] <Arwen> enough to play old games at least
[10:26] <Daisuke_Ido> using an amd processor, and an amd motherboard with nforce...  makes intel a not-so-easy-to-implement choice
[10:26] <rysiek|pl> sa__: yeah, quite probable; although it really isn't a bug in linux, but in the configuration of DHCP server
[10:26] <sa__> rysiek: so is there anyone i can mail about the problem as a request to look into this problem and try to fix it
[10:27] <rr_lap> how do i get my system back to ubuntu after i installed kubuntu-desktop?
[10:27] <rysiek|pl> sa__: but I will remember this case, so that next time it takes 10mins, not 3hrs ;)
[10:27] <Arwen> Daisuke_Ido, lol, nvidia chipset? you fail :-)
[10:27] <Daisuke_Ido> rr_lap: when you log in at gdm, choose gnome instead of kde
[10:27] <Daisuke_Ido> Arwen: better than via.
[10:27] <rysiek|pl> sa__: yeah, try posting a bugreport at launchpad
[10:27] <rysiek|pl> sa__: I'll give you a link
[10:27] <Arwen> Daisuke_Ido, heh, for motherboards, nothing beats Intel :-)
[10:27] <rr_lap> Daisuke_Ido: how does that remove kopete and such applications?
[10:28] <Daisuke_Ido> rr_lap: you just said you wanted to go back to gnome, not that you wanted to remove kde
[10:28] <sa__> rysiek: :) cool...i got help from a guy 2 days back...(adaptr) he told me to download dig and try to fix the problem
[10:28] <sa__> never got that far
[10:28] <rr_lap> Daisuke_Ido: i never said i wanted to get back to gnome, i said i wanted to get rid of kubuntu
 how do i get my system back to ubuntu after i installed kubuntu-desktop?
[10:29] <rysiek|pl> sa__: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu -> try posting a bugreport against the dhclient3 package
[10:29] <rr_lap> i didnt say anything about gnome
[10:29] <Daisuke_Ido> that is what you said, but instead of arguing semantics, you can remove packages one by one
[10:29] <Daisuke_Ido> ubuntu = gnome
[10:29] <Daisuke_Ido> kubuntu = kde
[10:29] <sa__> rysiek: ok!
[10:29] <rr_lap> Daisuke_Ido: not neceserily
[10:29] <rr_lap> Daisuke_Ido: dont assume things
[10:29] <rr_lap> and dont stereotype people
[10:29] <rysiek|pl> sa__: afterwards just mail me the link -> rysiek@rysiek.ath.cx - I'll add a comment with some more info maybe
[10:30] <rr_lap> Daisuke_Ido: so i need to mauneelly tell it to remove all 199 packs?
[10:30] <rysiek|pl> sa__: I got to go now, cu later, happy linux using ;)
[10:30] <Daisuke_Ido> yes
[10:30] <rysiek|pl> cu all, gtg
[10:30] <sa__> rysiek: so is there anyway repay you??
[10:31] <sa__> rysiek: i can...
[10:31] <nimble> anyone ever get a problem where beryl wont let you resize window, like you change the size and it just changes back again?
[10:31] <Arwen> nope... but check your settings in window plugins
[10:32] <nimble> im pretty sure its a bug, i have resize enabled, and i seem to be able to fix it by maximising the window then unmaximising it
[10:32] <Arwen> nimble, it's a bug then :-)
[10:33] <Arwen> nimble, oh, but do you have snapping windows on?
[10:33] <pedr1> Sorry, I would like to have some help with an error message in k3b
[10:33] <nimble> yeah
[10:33] <pedr1> http://www.mypastebin.com/?code=1758908520
[10:33] <nimble> that causes a problem?
[10:33] <pedr1> any suggestion?
[10:33] <Arwen> nimble, preventing window resize is what it's supposed to do, lol
[10:34] <nimble> hmm?  snapping windows doesnt seem to affect resizing at all (which id actually prefer it if it did), only moving
[10:35] <rubikcube> hi, how can I change the icon that is shown when plugging in a USB drive?  It always shows an ipos icon and I (or my girlfriend) wants to change that.
[10:35] <nimble> what actually happens is i resize it, then i click on it and it just changes back to what it was before
[10:35] <nimble> im pretty sure its not the correct behaviour
[10:35] <pedr1> is there a channel of k3b?
[10:35] <pedr1> to have some help there?
[10:41] <pedr1> Well, I have said that my problem is about LC_var
[10:41] <pedr1> that maybe I have to set them
[10:41] <pedr1> how can I do it?
[10:44] <unix_infidel_> anyone know of a proper way to get 3rd party windows explorer apps support?
[10:47] <novosirj> Anyone familiar with how firefox handles file associations?
[10:48] <Arwen> novosirj, err... in about:config
[10:48] <novosirj> Mine has gone and associated ZIP files with Wine...
[10:48] <novosirj> I looked there... doesn't seem to be anything regarding that in particular.
[10:48] <novosirj> I can say Open With... and then pick something else and say always... and that works.
[10:48] <novosirj> But I don't know where it got that idea in the first place -- I'd like to check some of those out. It has odd ideas about a lot of types... it's not using KDE's defs, I know that.
[10:49] <phal__> anyone knows how can i set the refresh rate to 85 Hz? There is only 60 Hz now
[10:50] <nimble> edit your xorg.conf
[10:50] <phal__> done it i changed the ref. rate value with the ddcprobe's output but i didnt open 85 hz too
[10:50] <phal__> there were only 60 and 87
[10:50] <phal__> and not 85
[10:50] <Black_Cat> phal__, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ?
[10:51] <phal__> i never managed to finish that :D
[10:51] <firecrotch> novosirj: ~/.mozilla/firefox/****.default/mimeTypes.rdf
[10:51] <phal__> but i will try it later
[10:51] <cpk1> just edit xorg.conf by hand if you know the values for sure
[10:51] <phal__> thank you
[10:51] <firecrotch> novosirj: **** varies depending on build version
[10:51] <novosirj> Lemme take a look.
[10:53] <novosirj> Well, it stores your NEW ones there...
[10:54] <novosirj> So like when I tried to open a .zip file and it wanted wine, I added /usr/bin/ark as a choice. That is now in there... However, I still have no idea why it thought wine would be a good choice to begin with... it says "Wine Windows Emulator" in the original box.
[10:55] <firecrotch> novosirj: Could it have been a self-extracting ZIP file?
[10:55] <novosirj> Nah... all ZIP files.
[10:55] <hyper_ch> hiho, someone knows how to convert a 3gp video from a SonyEricsson cell phone to avi?
[10:55] <novosirj> Maybe I can check KDE's description for .EXE and see if .ZIP is included in there somehow.
[10:59] <dak> hey
[10:59] <novosirj> Yup, nothing at all that I can see -- it's insane.
[10:59] <dak> anyone know why kubuntu wont play all *.rm files yet debian will ?
[10:59] <OldToker> hi all having trouble getting my kubuntu install on the net? keeps complaining about a default gateway being invalid? can someone lend a hand?
[11:00] <wily> hi all
[11:00] <dak> OldToker: you lettting it run dhcp ?
[11:00] <OldToker> no manual config
[11:00] <dak> never done a net install with ubuntu tho
[11:00] <dak> well
[11:00] <dak> do you have a router at home ?
[11:00] <OldToker> yes
[11:00] <dak> have you ever connected to its config page ?
[11:00] <OldToker> and 4 other computers.. and 2 wifi's :)
[11:00] <firecrotch> hi wily
[11:01] <dak> like 192.168.1.1
[11:01] <OldToker> yes..
[11:01] <dak> cuz odds are that is your defualt gateway
[11:01] <dak> the ip you conect to to config your router
[11:01] <OldToker> that's how I got it to the manual setup.
[11:01] <onlineapps> hi, anyone got a good program like Ulead on windows that will convert videos to the MPEG DVD format and burn it?
[11:01] <dak> whats the error
[11:01] <binks> onlineapps: tovid   or avidemux  or  devede
[11:02] <onlineapps> thanks
[11:02] <onlineapps> bye
[11:02] <novosirj> How about spelling on the word sentences?
[11:03] <binks> lol
[11:03] <Arwen> fools
[11:03] <novosirj> Let's have that kind of rain too.
[11:03] <binks> Arwen: these peolpe not heard of divx players
[11:03] <Arwen> binks, heh, why not just use TV-Out?
[11:04] <binks> my english teachers tried for years to get me to speak and spell my native language they failed youve no chance
[11:04] <esunder> what is the room for (k)ubuntu and beryl?
[11:05] <novosirj> So I guess my real question is let's say that in Firefox, your associations are totally empty. Where does it get the associations from in that case? That seems to be what I'm dealing with, wherever it pulls the default file types from. I suppose I could ask on #firefox, provided there is one.
[11:05] <binks> Arwen: well yes my w/e project will be to get either vdr or myth orking with my dvb-c
[11:05] <klaus_> hallo ... habe feisty neu drauf, trotz dieser libdvdcss2 kann ich keine dvds abspielen :( nichtmal lsdvd geht ) libdvdcss debug: disc is unscrambled /  using CSS key cache dir:  ... / libdvdcss error: read error / Can't open disc /dev/dvd! ) unter edgy ging das noch :( any ideas ?
[11:05] <Arwen> esunder, #ubuntu-effects or #beryl
[11:05] <Arwen> klaus_, english
[11:06] <klaus_> sorry, arwen , yes
[11:06] <klaus_> hello ... using feisty since a few days, having libdvdcss2 but cannot play dvds :( also lsdvd wont work ) libdvdcss debug: disc is unscrambled /  using CSS key cache dir:  ... / libdvdcss error: read error / Can't open disc /dev/dvd! ) unter edgy ging das noch :( any ideas ?
[11:06] <esunder> ty arwen
[11:06] <klaus_> under edgy it worked
[11:06] <binks> klaus_: use vlc it rocks
[11:07] <Arwen> klaus_, what media player? have you tried alternate ones?
[11:07] <klaus_> tried vlc, dont work ... tried mplayer, vlc, dvdrip, dvdbackup, lsdvd ... same error
[11:07] <binks> didnt the dvdcss package change in fiesty
[11:07] <esunder> also, is there a good way to backup a kubuntu installation, settings, etc, I have gotten beryl/XGL working on an ATI x1900xt which has been stated as unsuported on a few websites
[11:07] <binks> !dvd
[11:07] <ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[11:07] <Arwen> klaus_, ok, can you try opening /dev/scd0 instead of /dev/dvd ?
[11:07] <Arwen> that might help
[11:08] <klaus_> using /dev/scd0 has same results
[11:09] <Arwen> klaus_, hmm... if you have VLC, under input -> access filters -> DVD, try setting method to disc or key
[11:09] <esunder> is there any way to see how much drive space i have left?
[11:09] <peyote> df
[11:09] <klaus_> thanx, arwen, i try
[11:10] <esunder> ty peyote
[11:10] <novosirj> Alright, I'm out, thanks for the help.
[11:12] <foxhound31> does the install for nvidia drivers work properly in 7.04
[11:12] <foxhound31> or due still have to spend ages on the command line getting nothing to work
[11:13] <Arwen> foxhound31, perfectly? nothing is perfect
[11:13] <foxhound31> ie using the gui to install the drivers
[11:13] <Arwen> but the kernel bugs were fixed
 hi, how can I change the icon that is shown when plugging in a USB drive?  It always shows an ipod icon and I (or my girlfriend) wants to change that.
[11:13] <foxhound31> drove me nuts the last time trying to get the drivers installed adn it kept breaking
[11:14] <Arwen> rubikcube, lol, girlfriend? keep dreaming :-). Obvious question coming up - is it an iPod?
[11:14] <bordy> So, I changed the theme of my desktop and now icons (ie inside of kopete, and the bouncy icons) are not showing up at all, and are just little grey boxes. Any help?
[11:14] <foxhound31> what exactley where the kernel bugs that affected this issue?
[11:15] <Arwen> foxhound31, old version of nvidia.ko
[11:15] <Arwen> i.e. incompatible
[11:15] <foxhound31> a light dawns on me
[11:15] <rubikcube> no, it's her normal 512MB usb stick... this seems to be a new behaviour with feisty
[11:16] <foxhound31> so now we can have accelerated graphics without pain
[11:16] <Arwen> rubikcube, well, I'll play along with you.. anyway, does this problem persist with all USB sticks? or just that one?
[11:16] <Arwen> foxhound31, using binary drivers is itself a pain...
[11:16] <foxhound31> right well I'll try out 7.04 and see how I get on
[11:17] <rubikcube> hmm, let's try another stick...
[11:17] <mike__> i need help!
[11:17] <klaus_> arwen: libdvdcss can crack the key, but last message befor read-error is "using css-key cache dir " ...
[11:18] <firecrotch> mike__: What can we help you with?
[11:18] <rubikcube> happens with all sticks
[11:18] <foxhound31> ok arwen thanks see you
[11:18] <mike__> firecrotch: lol nice name, anyways i want to download Aol Instant Messager
[11:19] <Arwen> klaus_, hmm, let's try purging the cache? the easiest way to do that is to reinstall libdvdcss
[11:19] <mike__> firecrotch: i dont know what file to choose there are several
[11:19] <firecrotch> mike__:  Is there any particular reason you want AOL Instant Messenger over something like Kopete or Pidgin?
[11:19] <rubikcube> changing the icon with right-click on the desktop symbol doesn't help, the new icon shows in the properties dialog, but it'll stay the same on the desktop
[11:20] <mike__> i really dont like Kopete, its just annoying to use
[11:20] <mike__> In my opinion
[11:20] <firecrotch> mike__: Have you tried Pidgin (formerly known as Gaim) ?
[11:20] <klaus_> Arwen, i tried to reinstall libdvdcss2 from several sources ...
[11:20] <mike__> no whats that?
[11:21] <Arwen> klaus_, hmm, try deleting ~/.dvdcss
[11:21] <klaus_> Arwen: I used http://medibuntu.sos-sts.com/repo/ as source
[11:21] <firecrotch> mike__:  It's an IM program that supports AIM, Yahoo IM, MSN, IRC, etc
[11:21] <klaus_> ok, i try deleting
[11:21] <mike__> okay how do i get it, im new to Kubuntu 6.10 Edgy, so i dont know how to install somthing
[11:22] <klaus_> Arwen, erasing the dir has no success
[11:22] <rubikcube> Arwen or anyone else: any idea about the icons?
[11:22] <firecrotch> mike__:  Programs are installed by using Adept.   It's called "Add/Remove Programs" on your K Menu
[11:22] <Arwen> rubikcube, sorry, didn't see your comment - sounds like an icon set problem
[11:23] <Arwen> or it could be because of amarok trying to treat your USB device as an ipod
[11:23] <rubikcube> Any idea where they're defined?
[11:23] <Arwen> /usr/share/icons - but check in amarok to see if it's "managing" any music devices
[11:23] <firecrotch> mike__:  You might need to enable all of the repositories for Kubuntu
[11:23] <firecrotch> !repos
[11:23] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[11:24] <rubikcube> no, in /usr/share/icons there are only the icons themselves, not the connetcion between mime-types, devices and icons
[11:24] <mike__> oh
[11:25] <mike__> are you familiar with Kopete?
[11:25] <firecrotch> mike__:  Not really, since I use Gaim/Pidgin
[11:25] <mike__> oh okay
[11:25] <mike__> because for some reason, it dosent show all of my friends, just 3 out of 147
[11:26] <Arwen> klaus_, sorry, seems like my ideas have run out
[11:26] <Arwen> mike__, that's a lot of friends o.O
[11:26] <firecrotch> mike__: Perhaps it's set to only show those who are online? There ought to be an option to show offline buddies
[11:26] <klaus_> Arwen, Ok, thank you for your try
[11:26] <mike__> no only 1 is offline out of 3
[11:26] <mike__> so i dont understand why they arnt all being shown
[11:27] <firecrotch> mike__: I'll take a little poking around in kopete and see what I can come up with
[11:27] <mike__> okay thanks
[11:28] <klaus_> Maybe anybody else knows what is wrong in feisty playing dvds ? i get "libdvdcss error: read error" if using lsdvd or mplayer or vlc or slt ... ?
[11:29] <Arwen> klaus_, oh yeah, check that you have write permission to your DVD drive
[11:29] <firecrotch> mike__: take a look at the file ~/.kde/share/apps/kopete/contactlist.xml
[11:29] <firecrotch> mike__:  Does that show all of your friends?
[11:29] <Graham> Hey people, how do I get .wma support in Amarok?
[11:29] <klaus_> Arwen write permission ? dont really know hmm , you mean the right of /dev/scd0 ?
[11:30] <Arwen> klaus_, yes
[11:30] <Arwen> ls -l /dev/scd*
[11:30] <klaus_> ok, mom
[11:30] <Arwen> err......
[11:30] <mike__> firecrotch: where can i find the file?
[11:31] <firecrotch> mike__: /home/username/.kde/share/apps/kopete  (where username is the username you login to Kubuntu with)
[11:31] <klaus_> Arwen: brw-rw---- 1 root cdrom 11, 0 2007-05-14 19:16 /dev/scd0 (and i am in group cdrom)
[11:31] <klaus_> Arwen, so, yes i have write perms
[11:31] <Arwen> hmm, well, that was my last shot, I'll be going into my corner now
[11:32] <mike__> do i put that in the terminal?
[11:32] <klaus_> Arwen, ok, thank you ... strange ... dont want do downgrade do edgy, but hope there is an alternative
[11:32] <Daisuke_Ido> mister cracker, i recommend installing the w32 codecs, don't remember the exact package name offhand...
[11:32] <Karti> klaus_: I know I am having trouble but do you have the win32codecs and libdvdcss2
[11:33] <firecrotch> mike__:  No, open the program Konqueror (it's a file manager/web browser) and put it into the address bar
[11:33] <klaus_> Karti, yes i do
[11:33] <klaus_> libdvdcss2 reports read error after successful cracking
[11:33] <Karti> I have had trouble with it as well  but as I am using VMWare from WIndows my DMA doesnt help either
[11:34] <binks> klaus_: have you got libdvdread installed
[11:34] <mike__> firecrotch: it says it does not exsist
[11:34] <firecrotch> mike__: Did you replace "username" with your username?
[11:34] <mike__> yes
[11:34] <klaus_> no libdvdread :-|
[11:35] <klaus_> from which source can i get libdvdread?
[11:35] <firecrotch> mike__:  In the View menu of Konqueror, make sure that "Show hidden files" is checked
[11:35] <PriceChild> !dvd | klaus_
[11:36] <ubotu> klaus_: For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[11:36] <klaus_> sorry,
[11:36] <PriceChild> klaus_, use libdvdcss2 (libdvdread isn't really important)
[11:36] <klaus_> havve libdvdread3
[11:36] <klaus_> i have libdvdread3 (no libdvdread)
[11:36] <mike__> firecrotch: nope it still dosent work
[11:36] <klaus_> PriceChild: I use libdvdcss2 and it tolds me it cannot read the dvd (after cracking the key)
[11:37] <mike__> firecrotch: ill be back in 1o minutes or so is that okay?
[11:37] <firecrotch> mike__: I probably won't be here then, but I'm sure someone else will be able to help
[11:37] <mike__> okay thanks firecrotch
[11:38] <firecrotch> mike__: If you can find the file, try renaming it to contactlist.xml.old and then opening Kopete and reconfiguring everything.  That will create a new contactlist.xml file
[11:39] <klaus_> i try the install-sh from dvdread ..
[11:41] <klaus_> still the same error ... libdvdcss says "read error" after cracked the disc key
[11:41] <Solifugus> Any got skype to install?
[11:41] <klaus_> (i used the /usr/share/doc/libdvdread3/install-css.sh)
[11:41] <Solifugus> Even the static binary for skype give the error, cannot find libstdc++ (even though it is there)
[11:45] <klaus_> it looks like nobody can help me get libdvdcss2 running on feisty - i have it, it cracks the disc key, but continues with a read-error and nothing works :(
[11:45] <Karti> klaus_: sorry, I just wish that it was added as part of the OS
[11:46] <semistud2354> I recently configured my broadcom router to work with bcm4318-fwcutter...the probem comes when i try to connect to a router...i am able to connect but i cannot see the true strength of the signal it always says 5 stars
[11:47] <semistud2354> im using wireless assistant
[11:48] <semistud2354> sorry i ment to say broadcom wireless card in my laptop
[11:48] <semistud2354> instead of router
[11:48] <semistud2354> any suggestions/help comments??
[11:48] <Sanne> klaus_: I remember reading that using the install-css.sh script is not so good. You could try the medibuntu package which is packaged especially for ubuntu: http://medibuntu.sos-sts.com/
[11:50] <klaus_> Sanne, thank you for your Tip. i tried the medibuntu package before i tried the install-cs.sh ... both wont work :(
[11:50] <semistud2354> does that mean i have to reinstall that
[11:50] <semistud2354> err...my os
[11:50] <klaus_> i think this is no windows, so i dont have to reboot, right?
[11:50] <Sanne> klaus_: oh, sad to hear that. Then I'm out of ideas already, sorry.
[11:51] <Sanne> klaus_: after installing the package? No, you shouldn't need that.
[11:51] <Graham> !wma
[11:51] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[11:51] <Graham> How can I play wma files in Amarok?
[11:53] <Sanne> klaus_: I guess you already know this page? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/PlayingDVDs
[11:54] <klaus_> Sanne, thanks, yes i do
[11:54] <Sanne> klaus_: thought so
[11:56] <klaus_> so i will downgrade to edgy ... damn why didnt i have a backup ?
[11:56] <Solifugus> The only problem with kubuntu is getting the stinking software you need... and horrible dependency issues..
[11:56] <Solifugus> Event the static binary of skype doesn't work..... on feisty fawn... but it did work on the previous version
[11:59] <Daisuke_Ido> why didn't you get the .deb?
[11:59] <Daisuke_Ido> which installs just fine in feisty
[11:59] <Solifugus> Daisuke_Ido: of course I tried that.. I tried all the packages.. all of them say libstdc++ is missing.
[11:59] <Daisuke_Ido> Solifugus: then you have more serious problems than that o_O
[12:00] <Daisuke_Ido> install build-essential
[12:00] <Solifugus> Daisuke_Ido: it's a fairly fresh feisty fawn install
[12:02] <Solifugus> Daisuke_Ido: I just installed build-essential  -- why?
[12:03] <Sanne> Solifugus: can it be that the error complained about an older version of libstdc++? If so, you might be able to install that. Does that error tell about the version fo the missing libstdc++?
[12:03] <klaus_> bye
[12:03] <Daisuke_Ido> that was libc, nevermind, but the b-e metapackage is useful nonetheless
[12:04] <Daisuke_Ido> can't rely on anything other than 5 or 6
[12:05] <Daisuke_Ido> 2.10 is the only version in the repos that isn't installed, and skyoe installed great
[12:05] <Solifugus> Sanne: Appearantly yes.. Feisty Fawn has 6 and I just followed a tutorial to setup "Automatix" which installed version 5.. and now skype starts..
[12:05] <Dragnslcr> I installed MonoDevelop, and apparently it decided that Firefox would look better as a Gnome app instead of KDE. Anyone know how I can change Firefox back to using KDE's rendering libraries?
[12:06] <Sanne> Solifugus: you won't have needed automatix for that, it's just a normal ubuntu package :)
[12:06] <Daisuke_Ido> automatix...
[12:06] <Daisuke_Ido> when are those guys going to go away and create problems for another OS?
[12:07] <firecrotch> Daisuke_Ido: I dunno, but I hope it's soon :)
[12:07] <Daisuke_Ido> amen
[12:07] <Sanne> !automatix | Solifugus
[12:07] <ubotu> Solifugus: Automatix2 is a script that tries to install some software, and often fails and breaks systems. We don't provide support for it, and we strongly discourage its use. Problems caused by Automatix are often hard to track and solve, and it might sometimes be easier to !install a fresh copy of Ubuntu. See also !WorksForMe
[12:08] <Solifugus> Daisuke_Ido and Sanne: Automatix just fixed one issue for me.. I wish every distro would switch to Autopackage so we don't have to worry about any of this kind of crap anymore
[12:08] <Solifugus> On any distro
[12:09] <Sanne> Solifugus: package management is no crap. It's developed by people mostly in their free time for us, so I'm quite thankful I mostly don't have to chase dependencies by hand.
[12:09] <firecrotch> Solifugus: You're right.  I think the package management differences between distros / difficulty installing things is part of why Linux isn't as widely used
[12:10] <Daisuke_Ido> package management in linux is good (apt)
[12:10] <Daisuke_Ido> however, yes, it could be a lot better.
[12:10] <firecrotch> apt is good, but then you have distros like Fedora and Red Hat that use Yum, Gentoo using Emerge, etc
[12:10] <Daisuke_Ido> i should amend that to "debian-based dictibutions of linux"
[12:10] <Dragnslcr> I kinda wish alien on amd64 could convert an i386 rpm
[12:10] <firecrotch> confuses people who are new to linux
[12:11] <SlimeyPete> you can use apt on most systems these days, if you install it. Obviously you still need to find repositories, though.
[12:11] <Dragnslcr> Luckily I still have an old x86 box running
[12:11] <Solifugus> Sanne and firecrotch: I've been using GNU/Linux since Slackware '97 and I absolutely guarantee that's why GNU/Linux is not more broadly adopted.. And yet.. it's so easy fixable..  Autopackage is they best way, in my opinion..
[12:12] <firecrotch> All distros need to get on the same page, whether it be with apt, Yum, Emerge, .run, etc.  Pick one and everyone use it
[12:12] <Daisuke_Ido> how about the CnR movement?
[12:12] <Daisuke_Ido> think that will gain any momentum?
[12:12] <Lectus> I agree. They all should use just one package manager that works well.
[12:12] <firecrotch> CnR is an alright option.  Good for former windows users because it's pretty much the same as using .exe files
[12:12] <Lectus> More standard would bring more people to Linux
[12:13] <Daisuke_Ido> firecrotch: we're talking about freespire's click and run, right?
[12:13] <Solifugus> Sanne and firecrotch: The idea of having a different package hierarchy for every version of every distro is just insane...  and inspite of what many developers say.. it can be done in a non-conflicting manner.
[12:14] <firecrotch> Daisuke_Ido: yes
[12:14] <Daisuke_Ido> how does that correspond to exes?
[12:14] <Sanne> I prefer to have most software prepared by my distro. I wouldn't want to install lots of 3rd party software all over the place. It might be easier if it was more like windows, but I can just go without the mess windows like isntallers would create in my system directories.
[12:15] <Daisuke_Ido> maybe i don't know enough about it, but i thought it was a package management system similar to apt, with a friendly interface and ability to purchase commercial software
[12:15] <firecrotch> Daisuke_Ido: from what I understand, it's quite similar to how Windows does things.  You download the exe file, double click it to install, and then run the resulting program
[12:15] <Dragnslcr> What's the "correct" way to add an item to the KMenu that has to run as a superuser? Use "kdesu program" for the command or set it to run as root?
[12:15] <Daisuke_Ido> Dragnslcr: i would imagine both would have the same effect