[06:26] <ubotu> New bug: #114547 in malone "Warn about bugs assigned to inactive people" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/114547
[09:21] <carlos> morning
[12:59] <Odd_Bloke> Hey guys, are there any prerequisites for setting up a super-project/project group?  The Warwick University GNU/Linux User Group have a couple of projects that are in Launchpad and it'd be cool to be able to group them...
[01:58] <tjs> G'day, is there any way to have launchpad notify an irc bot about a commit?
[02:27] <milian> hi there
[02:27] <milian> is there a way to prevent the automatic subscription to bugs in a given project?
[03:18] <Hobbsee> kiko: where's my cluebat?  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/114616
[03:18] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 114616 in webmin "Broken package dependencies" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  
[03:24] <kiko> did I promise you a cluebat Hobbsee? :)
[03:25] <Hobbsee> kiko: no.  but you should have.  one can never have too many cluebats
[03:25] <Hobbsee> kiko: but this is why we need to make ti harder to file bugs :P
[03:25] <kiko> yeah
[05:00] <wingo> launchpad's not updating its bzr mirror of my project, anyone know why?
[05:03] <salgado> wingo, what's the project?
[05:04] <wingo> salgado: http://code.launchpad.net/guile-gnome
[05:06] <kiko> mwhudson, do you know anything about this?
[05:08] <kiko> mwhudson, and also, why is pygtk not importing?
[05:25] <mwhudson> kiko: no, but i can probably find out
[05:27] <mwhudson> wingo: can you tell me a branch that should have updated?
[05:29] <mwhudson> kiko: at a guess because the current vcs import is from cvs and pygtk is using svn now
[05:30] <wingo> mwhudson: for example, https://code.launchpad.net/~andywingo/guile-gnome/atk
[05:34] <mwhudson> wingo: not sure instantly, will try to look in a bit
[05:36] <wingo> mwhudson: thanks
[05:36] <wingo> I filed a "question" about it, https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/6528
[05:40] <kiko> mwhudson, can we update that, you think?
[06:15] <mwhudson> kiko: probably
[06:20] <kiko> mwhudson, feeling brave?
[06:21] <mwhudson> kiko: not really
[06:33] <mwhudson> wingo: it seems no bzr mirror branches are updating...
[06:48] <beuno> mrevell: ping me when you're around  :D
[06:48] <mrevell> beuno: I'll pong you instead :)
[06:49] <beuno> much better, how's it going?
[06:49] <mrevell> beuno: Not bad, thanks :) You?
[06:49] <beuno> fighting with a cold, it's winning 2-1
[06:49] <beuno> :D
[06:50] <beuno> do you want to play around with the Launchpad Etiquette idea?
[06:50] <mrevell> :)
[06:50] <mrevell> Yeah. 
[06:51] <Hobbsee> launchpad etiquette?
[06:51] <mrevell> As I said in my email, I think we need something simple and overarching - like the Ubuntu CoC "Ground Rules" section - followed by tool-specifics
[06:51] <mrevell> Hobbsee: Yeah, a general introduction to being a good Launchpad citizen
[06:51] <mrevell> Hobbsee: Without being patronising. So, something like a CoC for Launchpad.
[06:51] <Hobbsee> nice
[06:51] <beuno> mrevell: the idea popped into my head after an incident where someone started adding teams to their team
[06:51] <mrevell> Hobbsee: I'd love to hear your thoughts on it!
[06:52] <beuno> which created some panic
[06:52] <mrevell> beuno: Right
[06:52] <beuno> (emails flying everywhere)
[06:52] <Hobbsee> ah yes, ettiquite on teams being subscribed to bugs, etc, would be good
[06:52] <mrevell> beuno: So, to me that would be one of the specific "It's best not to do this"  situations.
[06:52] <Hobbsee> i'm wondering how much it's needed though - those who dont use common sense dont read teh documentation either
[06:53] <beuno> Hobbsee: I was thinking something very short and simple that you could place somewhere when creating a new account (email even)
[06:53] <Hobbsee> could be smart
[06:53] <mrevell> Hobbsee: It's hard to encourage people to use Launchpad in a way that treats other people with respect, if you can't point at a document that says, "This is a good way to behave"
[06:53] <Hobbsee> mrevell: that's a good point
[06:53] <beuno> mrevell: that was my second point
[06:53] <beuno> :)
[06:53] <mrevell> :)
[06:54] <beuno> I think examples work pretty well
[06:54] <mrevell> I think the important thing is that it should be clear and simple. If you're new to Launchpad, there is a lot to take in.
[06:54] <mrevell> So, it may be easy for someone to accidentally do something that affects other people badly.
[06:55] <mrevell> beuno: What sort of examples are you thinking of?
[06:55] <ubotu> New bug: #114651 in launchpad "Question emails don't have in-reply-to/references headers" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/114651
[06:56] <beuno> mrevell: like when filling a bug, not to add 9 comments after
[06:57] <beuno> as in explaining the consecuences of your actions in Launchpad
[06:57] <mrevell> beuno: I have a concern.
[06:57] <beuno> I'm not sure what the best example is, but it's probably not clear to a lot of people that when something gets changed, a lot of emails get sent
[06:58] <beuno> mrevell: scaring users into not using it?  :D
[06:58] <mrevell> beuno: Yeah, but also
[06:59] <mrevell> beuno: we could end up with a long list of examples, which could make the document unmanageable and become quickly outdated. That's not a reason to throw out using examples, we just need to think of the best way to handle them.
[06:59] <mrevell> I think the more general principles that we can establish, the better.
[06:59] <beuno> mrevell: absolutely, I think one good example can give you a general idea
[07:00] <mrevell> Do you think we could update the interface text to make some of this more obvious?
[07:01] <mwhudson> wingo: should be updating again now
[07:01] <mwhudson> may take a while
[07:02] <wingo> mwhudson: thanks for looking at it
[07:02] <beuno> mrevell: absolutely, adding a few words on *what* is going to happen besides the specific action would help a lot
[07:02] <beuno> as in "You're about to asociate a new team, please keep in mind all members from both teams will be emailed about this change"
[07:02] <mwhudson> wingo: if it happens again let us know
[07:03] <mrevell> beuno: Do you think that could annoy experienced users? It would take up space. Perhaps we could have a "hand-holding" mode, not that I know if that's possible.
[07:04] <wingo> will do
[07:05] <beuno> mrevell: well, it depends on where you place the text, I don't think a few words somewhere will annoy anyone
[07:06] <beuno> and since launchpad is so big, their might be people who have used it for a long time, but not a specific part, and that might be helpful
[07:08] <mwhudson> kiko: ddaa has told me how to re set-up the pygtk import
[07:08] <mwhudson> kiko: but i'm too fried to try it now...
[07:08] <ddaa> wise decision
[07:08] <mrevell> beuno: Okay. Cool. I'm going to seek input from as many different users as possible. In a few minutes, I'll post to the launchpad-users lists to open the discussion. It'd be great if you could reply with your thoughts.
[07:09] <beuno> mrevell: sure, I have a couple of specific cases I had thought of scribbled somewhere, I'll keep looking for it and reply in the mailing list
[07:10] <mrevell> beuno: excellent, thanks
[07:10] <beuno> mrevell: thanks for the quick feedback  :D
[07:11] <mrevell> mrevell: No probs. I think this is a really great thing to be doing, so thanks for bringing it up. I'll ping you when I've sent the mail.
[07:14] <mrevell> beuno: Okay, sent :)
[07:16] <Rinchen> +1
[07:18] <beuno> mrevell, :D
[07:19] <mrevell> Rinchen: Hey, feeling better?
[07:19] <Rinchen> mrevell, yes, thanks :-) 
[07:19] <Rinchen> so good in fact the wife had me working all weekend
[07:19] <mrevell> Rinchen: Glad to hear it :)
[07:19] <mrevell> Rinchen: Got time for a call at some point this week?
[07:19] <Rinchen> yes sir, especially for you
[07:21] <mrevell> great, thanks :)
[07:21] <mrevell> Okay, I'm afk until tomorrow. Rinchen: I'll mail you.
[07:22] <Rinchen> okey dokey
[07:45] <ubotu> New bug: #114657 in launchpad-answers "Cannot add subscribers to skipped list because of bad indentation" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/114657
[08:29] <sjmorgan> is launchpad.net down?
[08:30] <kiko> sjmorgan, working for me
[08:31] <sjmorgan> are you sure it isn't cached?
[08:31] <kiko> sure
[08:31] <kiko> what are you getting?
[08:32] <sjmorgan> it redirects me to https:// and then it just can't seem to connect
[08:32] <kiko> sjmorgan, are you sure you are able to connect to https sites from where you are?
[08:33] <sjmorgan> good point, other https sites don't seem to be working either
[08:33] <sjmorgan> how peculiar
[08:33] <kiko> "technology"
[08:34] <sjmorgan> i'm fairly sure it isn't a pebkac error
[08:34] <sjmorgan> no new iptables rules or proxy settings
[08:35] <sjmorgan> maybe it's my isp, can't think why though
[08:39] <sjmorgan> i can connect using opera, weird
[08:40] <sjmorgan> meh
[08:40] <sjmorgan> thanks for your help
[08:41] <Hobbsee> kiko: one of hte bugs that i filed got milestoned, etc, for 1.1 :D
[08:41] <Hobbsee> maybe there is a point in filing bugs on LP
[10:57] <freezone> hi
[11:31] <mpt> Goooooooooooooooooood morning Launchpadders!
[11:31] <flacoste> good morning mpt!
[11:33] <beuno> mornin' mpt
[11:34] <mpt> Odd_Bloke, yes, https://launchpad.net/projectgroups
[11:34] <Odd_Bloke> mpt: Thanks.
[11:35] <mpt> oh, that page is forbidden, odd
[11:35] <mpt> so
[11:35] <mpt> what I suggest
[11:35] <Odd_Bloke> mpt: Heh, so it is.
[11:35] <mpt> is going to https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad
[11:35] <thumper> morning
[11:35] <mpt> after you've registered your individual projects
[11:36] <mpt> and make a request that lists the projects you want to group together, and what you want the group to be called
[11:36] <mpt> then a Launchpad admin can set it up for you
[11:37] <Odd_Bloke> mpt: OK, cheers.
[12:00] <ubotu> New bug: #114705 in launchpad "Security vulnerability checbox too easy to hit" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/114705