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| glick | hello | 02:56 |
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| Hobbsee | HI EVERYONE!!! | 03:57 |
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| Hobbsee | bah. no one alive | 03:57 |
| pygi | Hobbsee, lies | 03:58 |
| pygi | and it's 3:54 AM, you can't expect anyone sane to be awake | 03:58 |
| Hobbsee | pygi: woot! a person! | 03:58 |
| Hobbsee | yes | 03:58 |
| Hobbsee | depends on the timezone | 03:58 |
| pygi | how are you? :) | 03:58 |
| Hobbsee | oh, spanish time | 03:59 |
| === Hobbsee isn ton that anymore. | ||
| pygi | not spanish :P Croatia :p | 03:59 |
| Hobbsee | well, i just got home, after 36 hours of travel | 03:59 |
| pygi | nice :) | 03:59 |
| Hobbsee | yep | 03:59 |
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| pygi | Hobbsee, you must be tired | 04:00 |
| pygi | heh | 04:00 |
| Hobbsee | pygi: not too bad - slept a lot of frankfurt --> singapore, and singapore --> sydney | 04:01 |
| pygi | oh. well, I wasn't of that luck to sleep :P | 04:01 |
| Hobbsee | :P | 04:01 |
| === Hobbsee is little, therefore can sleep on planes | ||
| pygi | ^_^ | 04:04 |
| Hobbsee | "dear carrier pidgeons, please dont go on strike, kthxbye" | 04:04 |
| === pygi sends pidgeons to Hobbsee :) | ||
| Hobbsee | lol | 04:06 |
| pygi | Hobbsee, did they eat you? | 04:10 |
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| Hobbsee | pygi: dont think so | 04:11 |
| pygi | ehm, why not? :( | 04:11 |
| === pygi is sad now | ||
| === pygi sends turtles to Hobbsee | ||
| === Hobbsee eats the turtles | ||
| === pygi sends whales | ||
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| Amaranth | pygi: you were in sevilla? | 04:25 |
| Amaranth | i guess i didn't do a good job of putting a face to an irc nick there | 04:25 |
| pygi | Amaranth, I wasn't | 04:34 |
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| pygi | why would I be there? I know nothing, so couldn't help with anything | 04:34 |
| pygi | :) | 04:35 |
| Amaranth | why would i be there? ;) | 04:35 |
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| pygi | Amaranth, you should answer that | 04:39 |
| Amaranth | bling? :) | 04:39 |
| pygi | no idea, as I said ... I know nothing :p | 04:44 |
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| jobezone | Hi, how can I close a bug I submitted in launchapd? | 05:10 |
| jobezone | Can't seem to find any option. | 05:11 |
| tonyyarusso | jobezone: Near the top, click the package affected, and you'll get a dropdown list of options. | 05:11 |
| jobezone | thanks, just did it | 05:12 |
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| glick | hello | 07:12 |
| glick | i was wondering if there was a more seemless and easy/transparent way to integrate encryption into ubuntu | 07:13 |
| Treenaks | glick: there is a way.. it's not an easy one generally though (yet..) | 07:16 |
| Treenaks | glick: it will automount + ask for a passphrase for LUKS disks | 07:16 |
| Treenaks | glick: (so if you have an encrypted USB pen or something, with a LUKS bit on it, it will work) | 07:17 |
| glick | Treenaks, i also mean network communication | 07:17 |
| Treenaks | glick: SSL/TLS stuff? server or client side? | 07:18 |
| glick | i.e. automatically encrypt outgoing email, decrypt incommnig emails, encrypt web communications | 07:18 |
| Treenaks | ah | 07:18 |
| Treenaks | the default email client (evolution) supports both S/MIME and GnuPG (PGP) signing and encrypting | 07:18 |
| glick | i know it supports it | 07:18 |
| Treenaks | and of course SMTP/POP/IMAP over SSL/TLS | 07:18 |
| glick | but most people dont use it | 07:18 |
| Treenaks | it's all just a question of putting the right ticks in the right boxes :) | 07:19 |
| glick | we should try to make encryption main stream | 07:19 |
| Treenaks | I agree, but you can't force people to buy S/MIME certs (and no, Cacert is not good enough: Outlook will complain) | 07:19 |
| Treenaks | (until cacert is available by default in default windows installs) | 07:19 |
| glick | do you think it would be possible to encrypt all web traffic? | 07:20 |
| Treenaks | not unless all sites go https instead of http | 07:20 |
| glick | damn governments | 07:21 |
| Treenaks | glick: not just them... most sites are plain http, not https | 07:22 |
| Treenaks | also for server performance reasons, of course | 07:22 |
| glick | right | 07:22 |
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| ajmitch | finally back home | 07:24 |
| Treenaks | ajmitch: wb :) | 07:25 |
| Treenaks | ajmitch: had a good flight? | 07:25 |
| ajmitch | long but uneventful | 07:25 |
| ajmitch | and gladly not full, so I had some room to move | 07:26 |
| ajmitch | best of all, my suitcase was even on the right plane this time :) | 07:26 |
| Treenaks | wow :) for a change ;) | 07:26 |
| === Treenaks saw an A380 land/taxi at Seville airport | ||
| ajmitch | impressive? | 07:26 |
| Treenaks | That's quite the beast | 07:26 |
| ajmitch | did you get some photos of it? | 07:27 |
| Treenaks | ajmitch: a bunch, didn't get them off my camera yet | 07:27 |
| ajmitch | good work | 07:27 |
| Treenaks | apparently, it just came back from a nearby airforce base, where they've been testing the noise output | 07:28 |
| Treenaks | anyway, off to work for me, sleep well :) | 07:29 |
| ajmitch | bye :) | 07:29 |
| === ajmitch still feels like he's moving, which isn't good when sitting still :) | ||
| Amaranth | ajmitch: dude, you're lucky | 07:39 |
| Amaranth | my suitcase was on the flight after me and got wet somehow | 07:39 |
| Amaranth | so the TSA "we went through your shit" tag soaked ink into my clothes | 07:40 |
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| fabbione | morning | 08:01 |
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| pitti | Good morning | 08:07 |
| === ..[topic/#ubuntu-devel:pitti] : Development of Ubuntu (not support, even with gutsy; not application development on Ubuntu) | #ubuntu for support and general discussion for dapper/edgy/feisty | #ubuntu-motu for getting involved in development | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment | See #ubuntu-bugs for http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs | Gutsy open, go ape! | ||
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| Mithrandir | morning, pitti | 08:33 |
| pitti | Hey Mithrandir, got home in one piece? | 08:33 |
| Mithrandir | yes, but the airline lost my luggage. | 08:34 |
| Mithrandir | again. | 08:34 |
| pitti | erk | 08:34 |
| StevenK | Mithrandir: Nice. | 08:35 |
| Mithrandir | indeed. | 08:35 |
| Mithrandir | so I get to sort out that mess today, I guess | 08:35 |
| StevenK | Mithrandir: Next time you book say, "I'm going to Boston, but I'd like you to send my luggage to Australia." | 08:35 |
| StevenK | 'We don't do that, sir.' "Why not? You did it last time!" | 08:36 |
| Mithrandir | heh | 08:36 |
| Mithrandir | I'm not sure if it's actually misrouted, I believe it's just delayed. | 08:36 |
| StevenK | Amaranth had that problem, his luggage was on the flight after. | 08:37 |
| === Lathiat laughs @ StevenK | ||
| fabbione | Mithrandir: yeah same here.. delayed in Madrid.. it?s on its way here now | 08:38 |
| StevenK | I wouldn't wish that fun on anyone, though. | 08:38 |
| === StevenK has a flashback to Mako at the UDS in Mountain View. | ||
| Lathiat | what happened there? | 08:39 |
| StevenK | If I recall correctly, his luggage was delayed by two days when he arrived. | 08:40 |
| Mithrandir | StevenK: I arrived in SVQ on Friday and got my luggage on Monday (or was it Tuesday?) | 08:41 |
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| StevenK | That's a quality airline. Quality with a K, that is. | 08:42 |
| Mithrandir | you mean they run KDE on all their systems? | 08:42 |
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| Mithrandir | I'd rather blame the airports, the airline itself probably didn't touch the luggage. | 08:43 |
| StevenK | That's a poiint. | 08:43 |
| StevenK | s/ii/i/ | 08:43 |
| Mithrandir | hiya Daniel | 08:43 |
| === StevenK idly notes he doesn't care that Mithrandir bashes KDE. | ||
| dholbach | good morning | 08:43 |
| dholbach | hey Tollef | 08:43 |
| Mithrandir | StevenK: shame Hobbsee isn't around to be trolled. | 08:45 |
| StevenK | Heh | 08:47 |
| StevenK | I must admit it's fun trolling Hobbsee about KDE. | 08:47 |
| Mithrandir | except in person when she tries to poke holes in my ribs. | 08:47 |
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| StevenK | Mithrandir: Same. | 08:53 |
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| mario | hi folks | 09:37 |
| dholbach | mjg59: can you make me a member of the ~motu team? | 09:48 |
| dholbach | mjg59: it seems there are no administrators for the team and somehow ~ubuntu-dev is not member of the team | 09:49 |
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| Mithrandir | doko: what is your plan wrt fixing the hunspell breakage? Just get ooo recompiled? | 10:18 |
| doko | Mithrandir: I doubt it will sucessfully build at the moment; didn't plan any updates this week | 10:20 |
| Mithrandir | ok | 10:21 |
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| persia | Mithrandir: Please give-back jackbeat and prokyon3 on sparc. | 10:29 |
| Mithrandir | persia: given-back | 10:32 |
| persia | Mithrandir: Thank you. | 10:32 |
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| asac | any idea how the upgrade path from dapper to gutsy+1 will look like? Does it make sense to keep transition packages | 11:11 |
| asac | ? | 11:11 |
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| DBO | ping BenC | 11:12 |
| dholbach | asac: yes, but mvo knows more about that - he does update tests regularly - although I don't know if it's dapper->gutsy+1 or ->gutsy+2 that we will need to support | 11:12 |
| Mithrandir | asac: talk to mvo about it. | 11:12 |
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| asac | mvo: ^^^ | 11:12 |
| Mithrandir | dholbach: current plan is gutsy+1 is the next LTS | 11:12 |
| dholbach | alright | 11:13 |
| mario | dholbach, ^_^ | 11:13 |
| dholbach | mario: hm? | 11:13 |
| mvo | asac: keeping transitional packages is a good idea. we can work around missing ones quite easily with update-manager, but in general it makes our live easier | 11:13 |
| mario | just hi :p | 11:13 |
| dholbach | ah - I didn't know "^_^" meant "hi" | 11:14 |
| asac | mvo: so how about mozilla transition ... it was dropped for feisty ... now a replacement will reappear? | 11:14 |
| dholbach | hi mario | 11:14 |
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| DBO | dholbach, PM ok? | 11:15 |
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| dholbach | DBO: sure | 11:17 |
| mvo | asac: you mean that the mozilla suite was removed entirely? | 11:18 |
| seb128 | hey mvo | 11:18 |
| asac | exactly | 11:18 |
| mvo | hey seb128 | 11:18 |
| asac | mvo: will the upgrade be a "one-big-step" thing ... or will upgrade manager do a multi-step upgrade under the hoods? | 11:19 |
| mvo | asac: well, we could add some code into the "quirks" handler that transition them automatically to firefix and thunderbird. how important do you consider this? | 11:19 |
| mvo | asac: its a "one-big-thing" step currently, also we could change this. but so far there was no need for changing it | 11:19 |
| asac | mvo: ok ... i will think a bit. but i think we just want the mozilla -> seamonkey/iceape migration. | 11:20 |
| mvo | asac: ok, you don't have to do it with transitional package, if you give me details I can do it inside the release-upgrader and we add it to the manual-upgrades release notes | 11:21 |
| asac | mvo: ok fine. | 11:22 |
| mvo | asac: could you file a bug about it so that I do not forget it :) ? | 11:23 |
| asac | mvo: against what package? | 11:24 |
| mvo | asac: update-manager please | 11:24 |
| asac | k | 11:24 |
| asac | mvo: product or ubuntu source? | 11:24 |
| seb128 | mvo: speaking about transition, do you want to do the gaim to pidgin one to update-manager? | 11:25 |
| mvo | seb128: what scope is it? would all we need be a single gaim transitional package? | 11:29 |
| seb128 | mvo: gaim being renamed to pidgin and plugin packages as well | 11:30 |
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| seb128 | mvo: is that something that requires update-manager magic or the provides, conflicts, replaces are enough? | 11:30 |
| asac | mvo: 114587 | 11:30 |
| mvo | asac: thanks! | 11:31 |
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| mvo | seb128: the general rule is that if apt understands it, u-m will understand it too. it just has some additional hinting features for difficult situations | 11:32 |
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| seb128 | mvo: k, so it should be ok | 11:32 |
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| pitti | doko: do you have an idea about http://librarian.launchpad.net/7592538/buildlog_ubuntu-gutsy-amd64.texlive-bin_2007-7ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz ? This didn't happen with previous versions | 11:41 |
| pochu | cjwatson: are you happy with me doing the base-files merge? :) | 11:41 |
| doko | pitti: not seen before. just amd64? | 11:45 |
| pitti | doko: yes | 11:45 |
| pitti | doko: we can try a give-back, maybe transient glitch with binutils or so? | 11:45 |
| doko | pitti: well, maybe wait until my binutils upload is in the archive | 11:46 |
| pitti | doko: ok | 11:47 |
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| dharrigan | Mithrandir: Hi. Did you perhaps get a chance to look over the email from dholbach re: licensing? | 11:53 |
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| pitti | mvo: can you take a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IncreaseHardwareDatabaseParticipation?action=diff&rev2=12&rev1=11 ? | 11:59 |
| mvo | pitti: sure | 12:00 |
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| mvo | pitti: ok, that sounds good | 12:03 |
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| Mithrandir | dharrigan: no, sorry, I've been busy at UDS. I'll try to get to it today. | 12:06 |
| dharrigan | Mithrandir: ta :) | 12:08 |
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| mvo | pitti: are you working on this right now? if not, I will add the code, it seems straightforward | 12:18 |
| pitti | mvo: no, I'm not; I'm currently busy with spec writing | 12:18 |
| pitti | mvo: thanks! | 12:18 |
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| mvo | pitti: *cough* I need to go back to spec writing too, but this looks like a good excuse to stop it for ~30min | 12:19 |
| pitti | :) | 12:19 |
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| PriceChild | Hey asac, could you give me your forums name or profile page? I can't find it :) | 12:34 |
| gnomefreak | PriceChild: his LP page? | 12:34 |
| asac | asac | 12:34 |
| asac | PriceChild: ^^^ ?? | 12:34 |
| === Hobbsee waves | ||
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| asac | PriceChild: http://ubuntuforums.org/member.php?u=177366 | 12:35 |
| PriceChild | aha got you asac... dunno why I didn't pick that up earlier... thanks :) | 12:35 |
| asac | PriceChild: thanks!!! | 12:35 |
| Treenaks | Hobbsee: hi! | 12:36 |
| Treenaks | Hobbsee: you made it ;) | 12:36 |
| Hobbsee | heya Treenaks! | 12:36 |
| Hobbsee | Treenaks: yeah, eventually! | 12:36 |
| Treenaks | good :) | 12:37 |
| Hobbsee | 36 hours of transit | 12:37 |
| Hobbsee | 4 planes, 3 trains, and one car trip. | 12:37 |
| Treenaks | Hobbsee: ouch.. | 12:37 |
| Treenaks | 1 taxi ride, 2 planes, 1 bus = 5.5 hours of fun | 12:38 |
| Hobbsee | heh | 12:38 |
| Hobbsee | oh i forgot about the taxi | 12:38 |
| Treenaks | so now you're very tired, and very jetlagged! ;) | 12:40 |
| Hobbsee | i slept for a bit earlier | 12:41 |
| Hobbsee | didnt think i was *too* jetlagged though | 12:41 |
| === Treenaks is getting the plague :( | ||
| === Mithrandir isn't too badly jetlagged either. | ||
| ion_ | Me neither. | 12:44 |
| Treenaks | or me | 12:44 |
| ion_ | Perhaps its because i have resided in the same country. | 12:44 |
| ogra | hmm, does anybody hav a clue where /usr/lib/initramfs-tools/bin/busybox comes from ? there is no travce in the initramfs-tools source package ... | 12:44 |
| StevenK | ogra: Is it static? | 12:44 |
| ogra | yes | 12:44 |
| ogra | but there is no code in the source that builds it or something | 12:45 |
| Mithrandir | : tfheen@thosu ~ > apt-file search /usr/lib/initramfs-tools/bin/busybox | 12:45 |
| Mithrandir | busybox-initramfs: usr/lib/initramfs-tools/bin/busybox | 12:45 |
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| ogra | ogra@laptop:~/initramfs-tools-0.85eubuntu10$ LANG=C dpkg -l /usr/lib/initramfs-tools/bin/busybox | 12:45 |
| ogra | No packages found matching /usr/lib/initramfs-tools/bin/busybox. | 12:45 |
| ogra | intresting | 12:45 |
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| StevenK | % dpkg -S /usr/lib/initramfs-tools/bin/busybox | 12:45 |
| StevenK | busybox-initramfs: /usr/lib/initramfs-tools/bin/busybox | 12:45 |
| Mithrandir | what's interesting about that, apart from you using -l instead of -S ? :-P | 12:45 |
| StevenK | It's because you can't drive dpkg. | 12:45 |
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| ogra | gah ... | 12:45 |
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| highvoltage | caffeine++ | 12:46 |
| ogra | highvoltage, i wonder if thats our problem here ... i think jim uses a dynamically linked version in ltsp 4.2 | 12:48 |
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| highvoltage | ogra: dynamically linked version of busybox, or those directories that are linked on boot time? | 12:48 |
| === ogra guesses ours is linked against klibc ... and checks the source ... | ||
| highvoltage | ah, busybox. | 12:48 |
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| mario | hi folks | 01:23 |
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| pitti | asac: is it just me, or did the firefox icon (as I have it in my panel) disapper in the last week for everyone? | 01:33 |
| Mithrandir | pitti: it's there for me | 01:33 |
| pitti | I just have that generic 'X' icon for it | 01:33 |
| pitti | hm, ok; /me fixes it manually | 01:34 |
| mario | pitti, ! | 01:35 |
| asac | pitti: hmmm ... haven't heard of a bug | 01:35 |
| asac | pitti: what was missing for you? | 01:36 |
| pitti | asac: the starter in the panel didn't have an icon any more | 01:38 |
| asac | ok | 01:39 |
| pitti | asac: I fixed it now, but .config/autostart/firefox.desktop didn't change; no idea where those icons are defined | 01:39 |
| asac | interesting | 01:40 |
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| ogra | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/ltspfs-virtual-hal-devices would be ready for review | 01:46 |
| pitti | smurf: btw, will you still do reviews? | 01:46 |
| seb128 | ogra: new gnome-power-manager available (2.19 | 01:50 |
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| seb128 | pitti: the panel launchers are not autostart desktops, they are stored to .gnome2/panel2.d/default/launchers | 01:50 |
| StevenK | Hrm, I need to actually get a clue about my spec. | 01:51 |
| ogra | seb128, thanks | 01:51 |
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| pitti | seb128: heh, they are named 'bar', 'eek', 'foo', 'foo' for me | 01:51 |
| StevenK | pitti: Would you mind casting an eye over it and telling me what you think? | 01:51 |
| seb128 | pitti: yeah, that's normal ;) | 01:52 |
| pitti | StevenK: which spec? | 01:54 |
| StevenK | pitti: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/about-ubuntu-revisited | 01:54 |
| StevenK | pitti: Be gentle. :-) | 01:54 |
| pitti | StevenK: hm, it's not possible to merge those new information into the existing yelp page? | 01:56 |
| pitti | StevenK: TBH I'd rather not mess with the Desktop team's stuff; they are better suited for input about that | 01:56 |
| StevenK | pitti: Well, I was mainly looking for a "it looks sane to have other people look at it" :-) | 01:58 |
| pitti | StevenK: implementation should outline the, well, implementation: whether it's a standalone GTK app, or a yelp page, etc. | 01:59 |
| pitti | StevenK: and it should have a stanza about merging the current page | 01:59 |
| StevenK | pitti: That's the hard part - Kubuntu being QT, and Ubuntu, Edubuntu and Xubuntu being GTK. | 02:00 |
| pitti | yeah, you won't get around writing differnet UIs unless you have a UI agnostic solution like a web page | 02:00 |
| pitti | and I'm not entirely sure about the use cases/rationale | 02:01 |
| StevenK | I don't mind writing different UIs, personally. A web page also can't display informtion about the machine itself. | 02:01 |
| pitti | after all, the gentoo use case knows uname probably, for bug reporting we have apport automatically collect that info, sysadmins will prefer to ssh into the box and check lsb_release, etc. | 02:01 |
| pitti | static web page> right | 02:02 |
| StevenK | To be honest, the use cases were taken from the original specification. | 02:02 |
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| pitti | seb128: if you have a minute, I'd welcome your feedback about https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ApportCrashDuplicates | 02:54 |
| pitti | seb128: I hope I got it reasonably robust, but you have more experience in that, I think | 02:54 |
| Hobbsee | hiya pitti | 02:54 |
| pitti | hey Hobbsee! you made it back! | 02:56 |
| Treenaks | pitti: You're still speccing? :) | 02:56 |
| Hobbsee | pitti: eventually, yes. | 02:56 |
| Hobbsee | pitti: 36 hours, a taxi, 4 and a bit plane flights, 3 trains, and a car later. | 02:56 |
| pitti | Treenaks: 'still'? I only finished three specs today, that will cost me the better part of the week :) | 02:56 |
| StevenK | Hobbsee: I'm reminded of Planes, Trains and Automobiles, and you didn't have to put up with John Candy. | 02:57 |
| Hobbsee | StevenK: heh | 02:58 |
| Treenaks | StevenK: you don't know that last part :P | 02:59 |
| StevenK | Treenaks: Hah | 02:59 |
| seb128 | pitti: will look in a bit | 03:00 |
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| sharms | spacey: I just read the comments on your blog, it seems you have the same trouble I do with people leaving comments that are total retards | 03:58 |
| spacey | sharms: hehe, indeed:) | 03:59 |
| spacey | my anti-spam plugin is not hard enough | 03:59 |
| sharms | I am developing a theory, in which no matter how well you describe a point, no matter how it is addressed, these people will still comment | 03:59 |
| mjg59 | sharms: Not appropriate here | 04:00 |
| sharms | mjg59: gotcha | 04:00 |
| spacey | :) | 04:00 |
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| ogra | mjg59, do we have a valid tech reason to not include 915resolution in main ? | 04:09 |
| mjg59 | Yes. It's horrible. | 04:09 |
| mjg59 | And -intel will be stable enough for gutsy. | 04:09 |
| ogra | well, i wont be able to make the classmatepc work without it it seems | 04:09 |
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| mjg59 | Then use -intel. | 04:10 |
| mjg59 | Or get Intel to ship a working mode in their bios | 04:10 |
| mjg59 | Using 915resolution effectively guarantees that any external video output won't work | 04:10 |
| mjg59 | Because it does nothing to reprogram the timings | 04:10 |
| ogra | xserver-xorg-video-intel you mean ? | 04:10 |
| mjg59 | Yes | 04:11 |
| ogra | ah, k | 04:11 |
| mjg59 | Or i810-modesetting | 04:11 |
| ogra | why isnt xorg selecting that one by default ? can we fix that ? | 04:11 |
| Mithrandir | ogra: because we are still early in the development cycle. | 04:11 |
| mjg59 | Because it's a regression on a lot of hardware currently supported by i810 | 04:11 |
| ogra | aha | 04:12 |
| mjg59 | Though that'll be fixed soon | 04:12 |
| ogra | hmm | 04:12 |
| ogra | good :) | 04:12 |
| mjg59 | i830 support is being added now | 04:12 |
| pitti | Mithrandir: can we please try a give-back for texlive-bin on amd64? new binutils are in the archive | 04:13 |
| Mithrandir | pitti: backgegeben | 04:14 |
| pitti | :) | 04:14 |
| === pitti arghs at javacc which FTBFSed on the buildd but works fine in a pbuilder | ||
| pitti | Mithrandir: can you please kick javacc as well? | 04:16 |
| Mithrandir | pitti: backgegibt | 04:16 |
| persia | Mithrandir: Please give-back sooperlooper on sparc and drscheme on powerpc. | 04:16 |
| === pitti hugs Mithrandir | ||
| geser | Mithrandir: could you reject decoratortools from the NEW queue? it is needed for turbogears 1.0.2.2 but Debian undid the upstream change requiring it as a seperate module and I want to file a sync request for the Debian package | 04:17 |
| Mithrandir | geser: rejected | 04:17 |
| Mithrandir | persia: given-back. | 04:18 |
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| persia | Mithrandir: Thank you. | 04:18 |
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| pochu | ogra: also, -intel is still in universe | 04:28 |
| ogra | well, if thats a sane package we'll get it to main | 04:29 |
| mjg59 | ogra: You'll want to talk to Bryce about the plans for that | 04:29 |
| ogra | mjg59, seen my /mgs ? | 04:29 |
| ogra | *msg | 04:29 |
| pochu | ogra: IMHO it's really sane, I've been using for more than a month, and it works fine | 04:32 |
| ogra | great | 04:32 |
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| mjg59 | ogra: Ah, I'm not identified | 04:33 |
| ogra | oh, k | 04:33 |
| ogra | right, your cloak isnt set i should have noticed | 04:34 |
| mjg59 | I don't have a cloak | 04:34 |
| ogra | oh, i thought ubuntu members are auto cloaked ... | 04:34 |
| mjg59 | Really? I'd hope not. | 04:35 |
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| Hobbsee | ogra: only if they ask | 04:36 |
| ogra | ah, k | 04:36 |
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| bddebian | Heya | 04:48 |
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| pochu | pitti: if you have a moment, can you please take a look at bug #103688? It's for a sru | 04:57 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 103688 in liferea "liferea crashes - ** ERROR **: file itemlist.c: line 172 (itemlist_load): assertion failed: (NULL != itemSet)" [Medium,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/103688 | 04:57 |
| pochu | pitti: it's a one-line-change, so it shouldn't be a lot of time :) | 04:58 |
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| pitti | pochu: hm, does that really affect so many users? | 05:29 |
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| seb128 | BenC: you want to patch pidgin, gaim is deprecated | 05:46 |
| BenC | seb128: ah, ok | 05:46 |
| BenC | seb128: thanks | 05:46 |
| seb128 | np | 05:46 |
| BenC | elmo: Unable to find a source package for pidgin | 05:47 |
| BenC | s/elmo/E:/ | 05:47 |
| ion_ | benc: /set completion_auto off :-) | 05:47 |
| BenC | ion_: that's no fun. Then I wont be able to bug elmo by accident :) | 05:48 |
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| ion_ | :-) | 05:48 |
| bddebian | heh | 05:48 |
| ion_ | You could always patch dpkg to say elmo: instead of E:. | 05:49 |
| pochu | pitti: I think so: open liferea, go to a folder, and go to another folder :) | 05:52 |
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| pochu | and since it's one line... | 05:52 |
| pitti | pochu: hm, so not just a corner case then; we only have two bugs about that | 05:53 |
| pitti | pochu: approved, I updated the bug | 05:53 |
| pochu | pitti: maybe people doesn't use folders? :) | 05:53 |
| pochu | pitti: cool, thanks! | 05:53 |
| seb128 | BenC: | 05:53 |
| seb128 | $ apt-cache madison pidgin | 05:53 |
| seb128 | pidgin | 1:2.0.0+dfsg.1-3ubuntu1 | http://archive.ubuntu.com gutsy/main Packages | 05:53 |
| seb128 | pidgin | 1:2.0.0+dfsg.1-3ubuntu1 | http://archive.ubuntu.com gutsy/universe Sources | 05:53 |
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| randomwalker | hi, how do i go about getting a deb accepted in the ubuntu repos? is this the right place to ask? | 05:57 |
| pochu | randomwalker: I think #ubuntu-motu would be better | 05:58 |
| randomwalker | pochu: thanks | 05:58 |
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| seb128 | siretart: the new totem requires xine-lib 1.1.7, do you plan to update it this week? | 06:06 |
| siretart | seb128: did you mean perhaps xine-lib 1.1.6? | 06:07 |
| seb128 | no | 06:07 |
| seb128 | $ grep XINE configure.in | 06:07 |
| seb128 | XINE_REQS=1.1.7 | 06:07 |
| siretart | seb128: if yes, I already uploaded it one or two weeks ago, but it FTBFS because of ffmpeg missing | 06:07 |
| siretart | seb128: 1.1.7 is not released yet. do you want me to upload a development snapshot? | 06:07 |
| seb128 | * configure.in: Up the required xine-lib version, to get the | 06:08 |
| seb128 | xine-lib fix at | 06:08 |
| seb128 | http://hg.debian.org/hg/xine-lib/xine-lib?cmd=changeset;node=2b182beaba68;style=gitweb | 06:08 |
| seb128 | hum | 06:08 |
| seb128 | I'll just drop the requirement then | 06:08 |
| seb128 | and talk to totem upstream about it | 06:08 |
| siretart | the fix seems pretty sane to me | 06:08 |
| siretart | I can include that patch in the 1.1.6 package | 06:08 |
| seb128 | that would be nice | 06:09 |
| siretart | I make myself a note | 06:09 |
| seb128 | cool | 06:09 |
| siretart | I need to update xine-ui as well.. argh | 06:09 |
| siretart | seb128: note that xine-lib 1.1.6 is not built in gutsy. if you need it quick, just reupload with dropped build-deps and comment out the line in debian rules containing '--with-external-ffmpeg' | 06:12 |
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| ogra | dholbach, ltsp-build-client has a default list of package it installs in the chroot ... since thats free to be tewaked by and admin to his/her liking i try to avoid package deps from ltsp-client ... in case of the cursor theme thats not true i think but there might be packages ... | 06:18 |
| dholbach | ogra: ok, if you want, you can change your cursor.theme to inherit from Industrial,Human | 06:19 |
| dholbach | ogra: that way it should fall back to one of them | 06:19 |
| dholbach | (if found) | 06:19 |
| ogra | i think thats what i do already ... | 06:20 |
| ogra | for ldm | 06:20 |
| dholbach | then I don't know what else I should take care of for you | 06:20 |
| ogra | in ltsp we dont do that for all packages | 06:20 |
| ogra | EARLY_PACKAGES="xserver-xorg libgl1-mesa-glx libgl1-mesa-dri libglu1-mesa xfonts-base xbase-clients xutils xkb-data xterm ltsp-client d | 06:21 |
| ogra | iscover1 laptop-detect xresprobe pulseaudio pulseaudio-esound-compat inputattach usplash ldm ltspfsd human-cursors-theme usplash-theme-ubuntu" | 06:21 |
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| ogra | an admin is free to use a different value for EARLY_PACKAGES | 06:21 |
| ogra | thast why we dont have deps in place there | 06:21 |
| dholbach | ogra: are you saying you still want human-cursors-theme in main? | 06:21 |
| ogra | i can try to make the default lis a recommends | 06:22 |
| ogra | no | 06:22 |
| ogra | i say you wouldnt have found it with rdepends | 06:22 |
| dholbach | ok | 06:22 |
| ogra | since EARLY_PACKAGES isnt in any dependency tree | 06:22 |
| dholbach | right | 06:22 |
| ogra | i'l add the defaults to be a recommends or suggests of ltsp-client for gutsy so you can see what its in EARLY_PACKAGES without reading the source | 06:23 |
| dholbach | ok | 06:23 |
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| ogra | i remember we had that prob before ... so lets get it solved now :) | 06:23 |
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| dholbach | pitti: do I need a MIR for industrial-cursors-theme? (it just contains cursors - we want to drop human-cursors-theme) | 06:33 |
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| pitti | dholbach: I'll take a look at the package before promoting it | 06:40 |
| dholbach | pitti: ok, take your time | 06:41 |
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| bryce | keescook: you abouts? | 06:46 |
| keescook | bryce: yawp, catching up on some email. sup? | 06:49 |
| bryce | I was thinking about working on merging a few of the xserver video drivers, and was curious about plans for finishing up the xserver merge | 06:50 |
| dholbach | seb128: doing gthumb | 06:52 |
| seb128 | dholbach: cool, I'm doing nautilus | 06:53 |
| Simira | hmm... | 06:53 |
| Simira | dholbach: how's your Dutch? | 06:53 |
| Hobbsee | Simira!!! | 06:54 |
| Simira | hi Hobbsee, home already? | 06:54 |
| dholbach | Simira: barely existant | 06:54 |
| Simira | dholbach: ok, nm then :) | 06:55 |
| Hobbsee | Simira: yeah, after 36 hours of travel, 4 and a bit planes, 3 trains, 1 taxi, and 1 car. | 06:55 |
| Simira | and a bit??? | 06:55 |
| Simira | where was the parted plane? | 06:55 |
| Hobbsee | Simira: we taxi'd out to the runway, then they decided that we really shouldnt take off, and took us back | 06:57 |
| Simira | right | 06:57 |
| Hobbsee | ground power to the plane died. | 06:57 |
| Hobbsee | Simira: although, there was major fog in sydney when we were originally supposed to get in - so we may have been ended up shoved to melbourne instead, had we gottne thru | 06:58 |
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| keescook | bryce: well, I need someone to look at the debian/rules differences (seb128?) but beyond that, I think it's a simple case of dropping the patch timo mentioned, building it and testing it on a gutsy install | 06:59 |
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| bryce | keescook: ok, let me know when you want to tackle those things, and how I can help | 07:00 |
| seb128 | bryce, keescook: I'm happy to look at the xserver merge if you want, that will be for tomorrow though, I've to run in like 10 minutes | 07:01 |
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| keescook | seb128: I'll put together some specific questions about it and email you. | 07:03 |
| keescook | bryce: let's walk through it later today (say maybe around 1pm?) | 07:03 |
| seb128 | keescook: ok | 07:03 |
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| racarr | .win goto 17 | 07:06 |
| racarr | err. Sorry about that. | 07:06 |
| bryce | keescook: sounds great! | 07:06 |
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| bryce | I'm going to get started on the video driver DaD merges; a bunch look real simple | 07:07 |
| keescook | bryce: cool. now that MoM is working again, you might want to look there too. I'm not sure which gets run more frequently (merges.ubuntu.com) | 07:08 |
| Mithrandir | mom runs every hour | 07:08 |
| bryce | ok | 07:08 |
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| bryce | will DaD be going away then? | 07:08 |
| keescook | bryce: not sure. | 07:11 |
| Hobbsee | bryce: you''d have to ask those who wrote it | 07:12 |
| keescook | hiya zul! any chance you can look at the xen-3.0 merge? I only touched it last because of the security update I stuffed into it. :) | 07:13 |
| zul | keescook: yep Im in the middle of it now gutsy is going to have 3.1 | 07:15 |
| keescook | cool | 07:15 |
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| ogra | woot, according to MOM debian is ahead of us with gnome package versions ? wow ... i think thats the first time since ubuntu exists ... | 07:26 |
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| pitti | asac: enigmail (in NEW) does not C/R/P: mozilla-thunderbird-enigmail | 07:30 |
| pitti | asac: can they actually be installed side by side? | 07:30 |
| asac | pitti: let me look | 07:32 |
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| asac | pitti: looks like a bug | 07:35 |
| pitti | asac: I leave it in NEW until it's fixed, ok? | 07:37 |
| asac | sure first thing in the morning | 07:38 |
| asac | thanks | 07:38 |
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| mjg59 | Hm. What's up with gucharmap? | 07:59 |
| mjg59 | It's blocking any gnome builds | 07:59 |
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| Mithrandir | mjg59: give me an example of a blocked build? | 08:00 |
| mjg59 | Mithrandir: gnome-applets | 08:00 |
| dholbach | libgucharmap6-dev -> libgucharmap-dev? | 08:00 |
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| Kmos | pitti: check your mail | 08:07 |
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| geser | have someone an idea why libembperl-perl fails to build on the i386 and amd64 buildds (but builds fine in an amd64 pbuilder)? | 08:09 |
| Mithrandir | because apache 1 is broken, it seem | 08:11 |
| Mithrandir | +s | 08:11 |
| geser | does the buildd use an other apache package than my pbuilder? | 08:12 |
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| geser | it builds on the other arch buildds | 08:13 |
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| ogra | pitti, ?? | 09:50 |
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| ogra | - debian/dhcp3-server.init.d: Allow LTSP to override default configuration | 09:50 |
| ogra | in /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf. | 09:50 |
| ogra | ?? | 09:50 |
| ogra | is that adopted by debian ? | 09:50 |
| pitti | ogra: certainly not? | 09:50 |
| ogra | no idea | 09:51 |
| ogra | i just looked into your changelog | 09:51 |
| pitti | ogra: it's in 'remaining changes' | 09:51 |
| ogra | oh, thats meant to be a dash, not a minus ? | 09:51 |
| pitti | yes, it's just a normal list | 09:52 |
| ogra | ok | 09:52 |
| ogra | i read it as minus ... the plusses in there confused me, sorry | 09:52 |
| pitti | no worries; it's just a standard changelog enumeration order, *, then -, then + | 09:53 |
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| ogra | yep | 09:53 |
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| micahcowan | Would anybody like to sponsor a gawk patch? bug 58256. | 10:04 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 58256 in gawk "length() memory error " [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/58256 | 10:04 |
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| shaya | so did the libnspr4 upgrade break everything that uses it? :) | 10:09 |
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| xst | Does anyone know the status of bug #108288? | 10:17 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 108288 in linux-source-2.6.20 "Audio is played in "slow motion"" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/108288 | 10:17 |
| pochu | xst: looks like confirmed :p | 10:19 |
| xst | pochu: Yes, I can see that. But besides that, are there any progress? | 10:26 |
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| pochu | xst: just kidding :) Looking at the bug report, I'd say there isn't | 10:32 |
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| pitti | Riddell: I just removed pmount from the kubuntu desktop seed FYI | 10:50 |
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| Riddell | pitti: ok | 10:53 |
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| pitti | Riddell: do you plan a kdelibs upload in the next time to remove it? or shall I upload it or file a bu? | 10:54 |
| pitti | bug, even | 10:54 |
| Riddell | pitti: go ahead, I'm on holiday this week | 10:55 |
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| freezone | hi | 10:57 |
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| pygi | 4 | 10:59 |
| bryce | keescook: btw, if/when you want to talk xserver, I'm ready | 11:05 |
| keescook | bryce: okay, let me finish up my pptp testing, one sec | 11:06 |
| bryce | keescook: I found with the video drivers that they're depending on xserver 1.3 now | 11:06 |
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