[02:56] <glick> hello
[03:57] <Hobbsee> HI EVERYONE!!!
[03:57] <Hobbsee> bah.  no one alive
[03:58] <pygi> Hobbsee, lies
[03:58] <pygi> and it's 3:54 AM, you can't expect anyone sane to be awake
[03:58] <Hobbsee> pygi: woot!  a person!
[03:58] <Hobbsee> yes
[03:58] <Hobbsee> depends on the timezone
[03:58] <pygi> how are you? :)
[03:59] <Hobbsee> oh, spanish time
[03:59] <pygi> not spanish :P Croatia :p
[03:59] <Hobbsee> well, i just got home, after 36 hours of travel
[03:59] <pygi> nice :)
[03:59] <Hobbsee> yep
[04:00] <pygi> Hobbsee, you must be tired
[04:00] <pygi> heh
[04:01] <Hobbsee> pygi: not too bad - slept a lot of frankfurt --> singapore, and singapore --> sydney
[04:01] <pygi> oh. well, I wasn't of that luck to sleep :P
[04:01] <Hobbsee> :P
[04:04] <pygi> ^_^
[04:04] <Hobbsee> "dear carrier pidgeons, please dont go on strike, kthxbye"
[04:06] <Hobbsee> lol
[04:10] <pygi> Hobbsee, did they eat you?
[04:11] <Hobbsee> pygi: dont think so
[04:11] <pygi> ehm, why not? :(
[04:25] <Amaranth> pygi: you were in sevilla?
[04:25] <Amaranth> i guess i didn't do a good job of putting a face to an irc nick there
[04:34] <pygi> Amaranth, I wasn't
[04:34] <pygi> why would I be there? I know nothing, so couldn't help with anything
[04:35] <pygi> :)
[04:35] <Amaranth> why would i be there? ;)
[04:39] <pygi> Amaranth, you should answer that
[04:39] <Amaranth> bling? :)
[04:44] <pygi> no idea, as I said ... I know nothing :p
[05:10] <jobezone> Hi, how can I close a bug I submitted in launchapd?
[05:11] <jobezone> Can't seem to find any option.
[05:11] <tonyyarusso> jobezone: Near the top, click the package affected, and you'll get a dropdown list of options.
[05:12] <jobezone> thanks, just did it
[07:12] <glick> hello
[07:13] <glick> i was wondering if there was a more seemless and easy/transparent way to integrate encryption into ubuntu
[07:16] <Treenaks> glick: there is a way.. it's not an easy one generally though (yet..)
[07:16] <Treenaks> glick: it will automount + ask for a passphrase for LUKS disks
[07:17] <Treenaks> glick: (so if you have an encrypted USB pen or something, with a LUKS bit on it, it will work)
[07:17] <glick> Treenaks, i also mean network communication
[07:18] <Treenaks> glick: SSL/TLS stuff? server or client side?
[07:18] <glick> i.e. automatically encrypt outgoing email, decrypt incommnig emails, encrypt web communications
[07:18] <Treenaks> ah
[07:18] <Treenaks> the default email client (evolution) supports both S/MIME and GnuPG (PGP) signing and encrypting
[07:18] <glick> i know it supports it
[07:18] <Treenaks> and of course SMTP/POP/IMAP over SSL/TLS
[07:18] <glick> but most people dont use it
[07:19] <Treenaks> it's all just a question of putting the right ticks in the right boxes :)
[07:19] <glick> we should try to make encryption main stream
[07:19] <Treenaks> I agree, but you can't force people to buy S/MIME certs (and no, Cacert is not good enough: Outlook will complain)
[07:19] <Treenaks> (until cacert is available by default in default windows installs)
[07:20] <glick> do you think it would be possible to encrypt all web traffic?
[07:20] <Treenaks> not unless all sites go https instead of http
[07:21] <glick> damn governments
[07:22] <Treenaks> glick: not just them... most sites are plain http, not https
[07:22] <Treenaks> also for server performance reasons, of course
[07:22] <glick> right
[07:24] <ajmitch> finally back home
[07:25] <Treenaks> ajmitch: wb :)
[07:25] <Treenaks> ajmitch: had a good flight?
[07:25] <ajmitch> long but uneventful
[07:26] <ajmitch> and gladly not full, so I had some room to move
[07:26] <ajmitch> best of all, my suitcase was even on the right plane this time :)
[07:26] <Treenaks> wow :) for a change ;)
[07:26] <ajmitch> impressive?
[07:26] <Treenaks> That's quite the beast
[07:27] <ajmitch> did you get some photos of it?
[07:27] <Treenaks> ajmitch: a bunch, didn't get them off my camera yet
[07:27] <ajmitch> good work
[07:28] <Treenaks> apparently, it just came back from a nearby airforce base, where they've been testing the noise output
[07:29] <Treenaks> anyway, off to work for me, sleep well :)
[07:29] <ajmitch> bye :)
[07:39] <Amaranth> ajmitch: dude, you're lucky
[07:39] <Amaranth> my suitcase was on the flight after me and got wet somehow
[07:40] <Amaranth> so the TSA "we went through your shit" tag soaked ink into my clothes
[08:01] <fabbione> morning
[08:07] <pitti> Good morning
[08:33] <Mithrandir> morning, pitti
[08:33] <pitti> Hey Mithrandir, got home in one piece?
[08:34] <Mithrandir> yes, but the airline lost my luggage.
[08:34] <Mithrandir> again.
[08:34] <pitti> erk
[08:35] <StevenK> Mithrandir: Nice.
[08:35] <Mithrandir> indeed.
[08:35] <Mithrandir> so I get to sort out that mess today, I guess
[08:35] <StevenK> Mithrandir: Next time you book say, "I'm going to Boston, but I'd like you to send my luggage to Australia."
[08:36] <StevenK> 'We don't do that, sir.' "Why not? You did it last time!"
[08:36] <Mithrandir> heh
[08:36] <Mithrandir> I'm not sure if it's actually misrouted, I believe it's just delayed.
[08:37] <StevenK> Amaranth had that problem, his luggage was on the flight after.
[08:38] <fabbione> Mithrandir: yeah same here.. delayed in Madrid.. it?s on its way here now
[08:38] <StevenK> I wouldn't wish that fun on anyone, though.
[08:39] <Lathiat> what happened there?
[08:40] <StevenK> If I recall correctly, his luggage was delayed by two days when he arrived.
[08:41] <Mithrandir> StevenK: I arrived in SVQ on Friday and got my luggage on Monday (or was it Tuesday?)
[08:42] <StevenK> That's a quality airline. Quality with a K, that is.
[08:42] <Mithrandir> you mean they run KDE on all their systems?
[08:43] <Mithrandir> I'd rather blame the airports, the airline itself probably didn't touch the luggage.
[08:43] <StevenK> That's a poiint.
[08:43] <StevenK> s/ii/i/
[08:43] <Mithrandir> hiya Daniel
[08:43] <dholbach> good morning
[08:43] <dholbach> hey Tollef
[08:45] <Mithrandir> StevenK: shame Hobbsee isn't around to be trolled.
[08:47] <StevenK> Heh
[08:47] <StevenK> I must admit it's fun trolling Hobbsee about KDE.
[08:47] <Mithrandir> except in person when she tries to poke holes in my ribs.
[08:53] <StevenK> Mithrandir: Same.
[09:37] <mario> hi folks
[09:48] <dholbach> mjg59: can you make me a member of the ~motu team?
[09:49] <dholbach> mjg59: it seems there are no administrators for the team and somehow ~ubuntu-dev is not member of the team
[10:18] <Mithrandir> doko: what is your plan wrt fixing the hunspell breakage?  Just get ooo recompiled?
[10:20] <doko> Mithrandir: I doubt it will sucessfully build at the moment; didn't plan any updates this week
[10:21] <Mithrandir> ok
[10:29] <persia> Mithrandir: Please give-back jackbeat and prokyon3 on sparc.
[10:32] <Mithrandir> persia: given-back
[10:32] <persia> Mithrandir: Thank you.
[11:11] <asac> any idea how the upgrade path from dapper to gutsy+1 will look like? Does it make sense to keep transition packages
[11:11] <asac> ?
[11:12] <DBO> ping BenC 
[11:12] <dholbach> asac: yes, but mvo knows more about that - he does update tests regularly - although I don't know if it's dapper->gutsy+1 or ->gutsy+2 that we will need to support
[11:12] <Mithrandir> asac: talk to mvo about it.
[11:12] <asac> mvo: ^^^
[11:12] <Mithrandir> dholbach: current plan is gutsy+1 is the next LTS
[11:13] <dholbach> alright
[11:13] <mario> dholbach, ^_^
[11:13] <dholbach> mario: hm?
[11:13] <mvo> asac: keeping transitional packages is a good idea. we can work around missing ones quite easily with update-manager, but in general it makes our live easier
[11:13] <mario> just hi :p
[11:14] <dholbach> ah - I didn't know "^_^" meant "hi"
[11:14] <asac> mvo: so how about mozilla transition ... it was dropped for feisty ... now a replacement will reappear?
[11:14] <dholbach> hi mario
[11:15] <DBO> dholbach, PM ok?
[11:17] <dholbach> DBO: sure
[11:18] <mvo> asac: you mean that the mozilla suite was removed entirely?
[11:18] <seb128> hey mvo
[11:18] <asac> exactly
[11:18] <mvo> hey seb128
[11:19] <asac> mvo: will the upgrade be a "one-big-step" thing ... or will upgrade manager do a multi-step upgrade under the hoods?
[11:19] <mvo> asac: well, we could add some code into the "quirks" handler that transition them automatically to firefix and thunderbird. how important do you consider this?
[11:19] <mvo> asac: its a "one-big-thing" step currently, also we could change this. but so far there was no need for changing it
[11:20] <asac> mvo: ok ... i will think a bit. but i think we just want the mozilla -> seamonkey/iceape migration.
[11:21] <mvo> asac: ok, you don't have to do it with transitional package, if you give me details I can do it inside the release-upgrader and we add it to the manual-upgrades release notes
[11:22] <asac> mvo: ok fine.
[11:23] <mvo> asac: could you file a bug about it so that I do not  forget it :) ?
[11:24] <asac> mvo: against what package?
[11:24] <mvo> asac: update-manager please
[11:24] <asac> k
[11:24] <asac> mvo: product or ubuntu source?
[11:25] <seb128> mvo: speaking about transition, do you want to do the gaim to pidgin one to update-manager?
[11:29] <mvo> seb128: what scope is it? would all we need be a single gaim transitional package?
[11:30] <seb128> mvo: gaim being renamed to pidgin and plugin packages as well
[11:30] <seb128> mvo: is that something that requires update-manager magic or the provides, conflicts, replaces are enough?
[11:30] <asac> mvo: 114587
[11:31] <mvo> asac: thanks!
[11:32] <mvo> seb128: the general rule is that if apt understands it, u-m will understand it too. it just has some additional hinting features for difficult situations
[11:32] <seb128> mvo: k, so it should be ok
[11:41] <pitti> doko: do you have an idea about http://librarian.launchpad.net/7592538/buildlog_ubuntu-gutsy-amd64.texlive-bin_2007-7ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz ? This didn't happen with previous versions
[11:41] <pochu> cjwatson: are you happy with me doing the base-files merge? :)
[11:45] <doko> pitti: not seen before. just amd64?
[11:45] <pitti> doko: yes
[11:45] <pitti> doko: we can try a give-back, maybe transient glitch with binutils or so?
[11:46] <doko> pitti: well, maybe wait until my binutils upload is in the archive
[11:47] <pitti> doko: ok
[11:53] <dharrigan> Mithrandir: Hi. Did you perhaps get a chance to look over the email from dholbach re: licensing?
[11:59] <pitti> mvo: can you take a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IncreaseHardwareDatabaseParticipation?action=diff&rev2=12&rev1=11 ?
[12:00] <mvo> pitti: sure
[12:03] <mvo> pitti: ok, that sounds good
[12:06] <Mithrandir> dharrigan: no, sorry, I've been busy at UDS.  I'll try to get to it today.
[12:08] <dharrigan> Mithrandir: ta :)
[12:18] <mvo> pitti: are you working on this right now? if not, I will add the code, it seems straightforward
[12:18] <pitti> mvo: no, I'm not; I'm currently busy with spec writing
[12:18] <pitti> mvo: thanks!
[12:19] <mvo> pitti: *cough* I need to go back to spec writing too, but this looks like a good excuse to stop it for ~30min
[12:19] <pitti> :)
[12:34] <PriceChild> Hey asac, could you give me your forums name or profile page? I can't find it :)
[12:34] <gnomefreak> PriceChild: his LP page?
[12:34] <asac> asac
[12:34] <asac> PriceChild: ^^^ ??
[12:35] <asac> PriceChild: http://ubuntuforums.org/member.php?u=177366
[12:35] <PriceChild> aha got you asac... dunno why I didn't pick that up earlier... thanks :)
[12:35] <asac> PriceChild: thanks!!!
[12:36] <Treenaks> Hobbsee: hi!
[12:36] <Treenaks> Hobbsee: you made it ;)
[12:36] <Hobbsee> heya Treenaks!
[12:36] <Hobbsee> Treenaks: yeah, eventually!
[12:37] <Treenaks> good :)
[12:37] <Hobbsee> 36 hours of transit
[12:37] <Hobbsee> 4 planes, 3 trains, and one car trip.
[12:37] <Treenaks> Hobbsee: ouch..
[12:38] <Treenaks> 1 taxi ride, 2 planes, 1 bus = 5.5 hours of fun
[12:38] <Hobbsee> heh
[12:38] <Hobbsee> oh i forgot about the taxi
[12:40] <Treenaks> so now you're very tired, and very jetlagged! ;)
[12:41] <Hobbsee> i slept for a bit earlier
[12:41] <Hobbsee> didnt think i was *too* jetlagged though
[12:44] <ion_> Me neither.
[12:44] <Treenaks> or me
[12:44] <ion_> Perhaps its because i have resided in the same country.
[12:44] <ogra> hmm, does anybody hav a clue where /usr/lib/initramfs-tools/bin/busybox comes from ? there is no travce in the initramfs-tools source package ...
[12:44] <StevenK> ogra: Is it static?
[12:44] <ogra> yes
[12:45] <ogra> but there is no code in the source that builds it or something
[12:45] <Mithrandir> : tfheen@thosu ~ > apt-file search /usr/lib/initramfs-tools/bin/busybox
[12:45] <Mithrandir> busybox-initramfs: usr/lib/initramfs-tools/bin/busybox
[12:45] <ogra> ogra@laptop:~/initramfs-tools-0.85eubuntu10$ LANG=C dpkg -l /usr/lib/initramfs-tools/bin/busybox
[12:45] <ogra> No packages found matching /usr/lib/initramfs-tools/bin/busybox.
[12:45] <ogra> intresting
[12:45] <StevenK> % dpkg -S /usr/lib/initramfs-tools/bin/busybox
[12:45] <StevenK> busybox-initramfs: /usr/lib/initramfs-tools/bin/busybox
[12:45] <Mithrandir> what's interesting about that, apart from you using -l instead of -S ? :-P
[12:45] <StevenK> It's because you can't drive dpkg.
[12:45] <ogra> gah ...
[12:46] <highvoltage> caffeine++
[12:48] <ogra> highvoltage, i wonder if thats our problem here ... i think jim uses a dynamically linked version in ltsp 4.2 
[12:48] <highvoltage> ogra: dynamically linked version of busybox, or those directories that are linked on boot time?
[12:48] <highvoltage> ah, busybox.
[01:23] <mario> hi folks
[01:33] <pitti> asac: is it just me, or did the firefox icon (as I have it in my panel) disapper in the last week for everyone?
[01:33] <Mithrandir> pitti: it's there for me
[01:33] <pitti> I just have that generic 'X' icon for it
[01:34] <pitti> hm, ok; /me fixes it manually
[01:35] <mario> pitti, !
[01:35] <asac> pitti: hmmm ... haven't heard of a bug
[01:36] <asac> pitti: what was missing for you?
[01:38] <pitti> asac: the starter in the panel didn't have an icon any more
[01:39] <asac> ok
[01:39] <pitti> asac: I fixed it now, but .config/autostart/firefox.desktop didn't change; no idea where those icons are defined
[01:40] <asac> interesting
[01:46] <ogra> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/ltspfs-virtual-hal-devices would be ready for review
[01:46] <pitti> smurf: btw, will you still do reviews?
[01:50] <seb128> ogra: new gnome-power-manager available (2.19
[01:50] <seb128> pitti: the panel launchers are not autostart desktops, they are stored to .gnome2/panel2.d/default/launchers
[01:51] <StevenK> Hrm, I need to actually get a clue about my spec.
[01:51] <ogra> seb128, thanks
[01:51] <pitti> seb128: heh, they are named 'bar', 'eek', 'foo', 'foo' for me
[01:51] <StevenK> pitti: Would you mind casting an eye over it and telling me what you think?
[01:52] <seb128> pitti: yeah, that's normal ;)
[01:54] <pitti> StevenK: which spec?
[01:54] <StevenK> pitti: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/about-ubuntu-revisited
[01:54] <StevenK> pitti: Be gentle. :-)
[01:56] <pitti> StevenK: hm, it's not possible to merge those new information into the existing yelp page?
[01:56] <pitti> StevenK: TBH I'd rather not mess with the Desktop team's stuff; they are better suited for input about that
[01:58] <StevenK> pitti: Well, I was mainly looking for a "it looks sane to have other people look at it" :-)
[01:59] <pitti> StevenK: implementation should outline the, well, implementation: whether it's a standalone GTK app, or a yelp page, etc.
[01:59] <pitti> StevenK: and it should have a stanza about merging the current page
[02:00] <StevenK> pitti: That's the hard part - Kubuntu being QT, and Ubuntu, Edubuntu and Xubuntu being GTK.
[02:00] <pitti> yeah, you won't get around writing differnet UIs unless you have a UI agnostic solution like a web page
[02:01] <pitti> and I'm not entirely sure about the use cases/rationale
[02:01] <StevenK> I don't mind writing different UIs, personally. A web page also can't display informtion about the machine itself.
[02:01] <pitti> after all, the gentoo use case knows uname probably, for bug reporting we have apport automatically collect that info, sysadmins will prefer to ssh into the box and check lsb_release, etc.
[02:02] <pitti> static web page> right
[02:02] <StevenK> To be honest, the use cases were taken from the original specification.
[02:54] <pitti> seb128: if you have a minute, I'd welcome your feedback about https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ApportCrashDuplicates
[02:54] <pitti> seb128: I hope I got it reasonably robust, but you have more experience in that, I think
[02:54] <Hobbsee> hiya pitti 
[02:56] <pitti> hey Hobbsee! you made it back!
[02:56] <Treenaks> pitti: You're still speccing? :)
[02:56] <Hobbsee> pitti: eventually, yes.
[02:56] <Hobbsee> pitti: 36 hours, a taxi, 4 and a bit plane flights, 3 trains, and a car later.
[02:56] <pitti> Treenaks: 'still'? I only finished three specs today, that will cost me the better part of the week :)
[02:57] <StevenK> Hobbsee: I'm reminded of Planes, Trains and Automobiles, and you didn't have to put up with John Candy.
[02:58] <Hobbsee> StevenK: heh
[02:59] <Treenaks> StevenK: you don't know that last part :P
[02:59] <StevenK> Treenaks: Hah
[03:00] <seb128> pitti: will look in a bit
[03:58] <sharms> spacey: I just read the comments on your blog, it seems you have the same trouble I do with people leaving comments that are total retards
[03:59] <spacey> sharms: hehe, indeed:)
[03:59] <spacey> my anti-spam plugin is not hard enough
[03:59] <sharms> I am developing a theory, in which no matter how well you describe a point, no matter how it is addressed, these people will still comment
[04:00] <mjg59> sharms: Not appropriate here
[04:00] <sharms> mjg59: gotcha
[04:00] <spacey> :)
[04:09] <ogra> mjg59, do we have a valid tech reason to not include 915resolution in main ? 
[04:09] <mjg59> Yes. It's horrible.
[04:09] <mjg59> And -intel will be stable enough for gutsy.
[04:09] <ogra> well, i wont be able to make the classmatepc work without it it seems
[04:10] <mjg59> Then use -intel.
[04:10] <mjg59> Or get Intel to ship a working mode in their bios
[04:10] <mjg59> Using 915resolution effectively guarantees that any external video output won't work
[04:10] <mjg59> Because it does nothing to reprogram the timings
[04:10] <ogra> xserver-xorg-video-intel you mean ?
[04:11] <mjg59> Yes
[04:11] <ogra> ah, k 
[04:11] <mjg59> Or i810-modesetting
[04:11] <ogra> why isnt xorg selecting that one by default ? can we fix that ?
[04:11] <Mithrandir> ogra: because we are still early in the development cycle.
[04:11] <mjg59> Because it's a regression on a lot of hardware currently supported by i810
[04:12] <ogra> aha
[04:12] <mjg59> Though that'll be fixed soon
[04:12] <ogra> hmm
[04:12] <ogra> good :)
[04:12] <mjg59> i830 support is being added now
[04:13] <pitti> Mithrandir: can we please try a give-back for texlive-bin on amd64? new binutils are in the archive
[04:14] <Mithrandir> pitti: backgegeben
[04:14] <pitti> :)
[04:16] <pitti> Mithrandir: can you please kick javacc as well?
[04:16] <Mithrandir> pitti: backgegibt
[04:16] <persia> Mithrandir: Please give-back sooperlooper on sparc and drscheme on powerpc.
[04:17] <geser> Mithrandir: could you reject decoratortools from the NEW queue? it is needed for turbogears 1.0.2.2 but Debian undid the upstream change requiring it as a seperate module and I want to file a sync request for the Debian package
[04:17] <Mithrandir> geser: rejected
[04:18] <Mithrandir> persia: given-back.
[04:18] <persia> Mithrandir: Thank you.
[04:28] <pochu> ogra: also, -intel is still in universe
[04:29] <ogra> well, if thats a sane package we'll get it to main 
[04:29] <mjg59> ogra: You'll want to talk to Bryce about the plans for that
[04:29] <ogra> mjg59, seen my /mgs ?
[04:29] <ogra> *msg
[04:32] <pochu> ogra: IMHO it's really sane, I've been using for more than a month, and it works fine
[04:32] <ogra> great
[04:33] <mjg59> ogra: Ah, I'm not identified
[04:33] <ogra> oh, k 
[04:34] <ogra> right, your cloak isnt set i should have noticed
[04:34] <mjg59> I don't have a cloak
[04:34] <ogra> oh, i thought ubuntu members are auto cloaked ...
[04:35] <mjg59> Really? I'd hope not.
[04:36] <Hobbsee> ogra: only if they ask
[04:36] <ogra> ah, k
[04:48] <bddebian> Heya
[04:57] <pochu> pitti: if you have a moment, can you please take a look at bug #103688? It's for a sru
[04:57] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 103688 in liferea "liferea crashes - ** ERROR **: file itemlist.c: line 172 (itemlist_load): assertion failed: (NULL != itemSet)" [Medium,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/103688
[04:58] <pochu> pitti: it's a one-line-change, so it shouldn't be a lot of time :)
[05:29] <pitti> pochu: hm, does that really affect so many users?
[05:46] <seb128> BenC: you want to patch pidgin, gaim is deprecated
[05:46] <BenC> seb128: ah, ok
[05:46] <BenC> seb128: thanks
[05:46] <seb128> np
[05:47] <BenC> elmo: Unable to find a source package for pidgin
[05:47] <BenC> s/elmo/E:/
[05:47] <ion_> benc: /set completion_auto off :-)
[05:48] <BenC> ion_: that's no fun. Then I wont  be able to bug elmo by accident :)
[05:48] <ion_> :-)
[05:48] <bddebian> heh
[05:49] <ion_> You could always patch dpkg to say elmo: instead of E:.
[05:52] <pochu> pitti: I think so: open liferea, go to a folder, and go to another folder :)
[05:52] <pochu> and since it's one line...
[05:53] <pitti> pochu: hm, so not just a corner case then; we only have two bugs about that
[05:53] <pitti> pochu: approved, I updated the bug
[05:53] <pochu> pitti: maybe people doesn't use folders? :)
[05:53] <pochu> pitti: cool, thanks!
[05:53] <seb128> BenC: 
[05:53] <seb128> $ apt-cache madison pidgin
[05:53] <seb128>     pidgin | 1:2.0.0+dfsg.1-3ubuntu1 | http://archive.ubuntu.com gutsy/main Packages
[05:53] <seb128>     pidgin | 1:2.0.0+dfsg.1-3ubuntu1 | http://archive.ubuntu.com gutsy/universe Sources
[05:57] <randomwalker> hi, how do i go about getting a deb accepted in the ubuntu repos? is this the right place to ask?
[05:58] <pochu> randomwalker: I think #ubuntu-motu would be better
[05:58] <randomwalker> pochu: thanks
[06:06] <seb128> siretart: the new totem requires xine-lib 1.1.7, do you plan to update it this week?
[06:07] <siretart> seb128: did you mean perhaps xine-lib 1.1.6?
[06:07] <seb128> no
[06:07] <seb128> $ grep XINE configure.in 
[06:07] <seb128> XINE_REQS=1.1.7
[06:07] <siretart> seb128: if yes, I already uploaded it one or two weeks ago, but it FTBFS because of ffmpeg missing
[06:07] <siretart> seb128: 1.1.7 is not released yet. do you want me to upload a development snapshot?
[06:08] <seb128> 	* configure.in: Up the required xine-lib version, to get the
[06:08] <seb128> 	xine-lib fix at
[06:08] <seb128> 	http://hg.debian.org/hg/xine-lib/xine-lib?cmd=changeset;node=2b182beaba68;style=gitweb
[06:08] <seb128> hum
[06:08] <seb128> I'll just drop the requirement then
[06:08] <seb128> and talk to totem upstream about it
[06:08] <siretart> the fix seems pretty sane to me
[06:08] <siretart> I can include that patch in the 1.1.6 package
[06:09] <seb128> that would be nice
[06:09] <siretart> I make myself a note
[06:09] <seb128> cool
[06:09] <siretart> I need to update xine-ui as well.. argh
[06:12] <siretart> seb128: note that xine-lib 1.1.6 is not built in gutsy. if you need it quick, just reupload with dropped build-deps and comment out the line in debian rules containing '--with-external-ffmpeg'
[06:18] <ogra> dholbach, ltsp-build-client has a default list of package it installs in the chroot ... since thats free to be tewaked by and admin to his/her liking i try to avoid package deps from ltsp-client ... in case of the cursor theme thats not true i think but there might be packages ...
[06:19] <dholbach> ogra: ok, if you want, you can change your cursor.theme to inherit from Industrial,Human
[06:19] <dholbach> ogra: that way it should fall back to one of them
[06:19] <dholbach> (if found)
[06:20] <ogra> i think thats what i do already ... 
[06:20] <ogra> for ldm
[06:20] <dholbach> then I don't know what else I should take care of for you
[06:20] <ogra> in ltsp we dont do that for all packages
[06:21] <ogra> EARLY_PACKAGES="xserver-xorg libgl1-mesa-glx libgl1-mesa-dri libglu1-mesa xfonts-base xbase-clients xutils xkb-data xterm ltsp-client d
[06:21] <ogra> iscover1 laptop-detect xresprobe pulseaudio pulseaudio-esound-compat inputattach usplash ldm ltspfsd human-cursors-theme usplash-theme-ubuntu"
[06:21] <ogra> an admin is free to use a different value for EARLY_PACKAGES
[06:21] <ogra> thast why we dont have deps in place there 
[06:21] <dholbach> ogra: are you saying you still want human-cursors-theme in main?
[06:22] <ogra> i can try to make the default lis a recommends
[06:22] <ogra> no
[06:22] <ogra> i say you wouldnt have found it with rdepends
[06:22] <dholbach> ok
[06:22] <ogra> since EARLY_PACKAGES isnt in any dependency tree 
[06:22] <dholbach> right
[06:23] <ogra> i'l add the defaults to be a recommends or suggests of ltsp-client for gutsy so you can see what its in EARLY_PACKAGES without reading the source
[06:23] <dholbach> ok
[06:23] <ogra> i remember we had that prob before ... so lets get it solved now :)
[06:33] <dholbach> pitti: do I need a MIR for industrial-cursors-theme? (it just contains cursors - we want to drop human-cursors-theme)
[06:40] <pitti> dholbach: I'll take a look at the package before promoting it
[06:41] <dholbach> pitti: ok, take your time
[06:46] <bryce> keescook: you abouts?
[06:49] <keescook> bryce: yawp, catching up on some email.  sup?
[06:50] <bryce> I was thinking about working on merging a few of the xserver video drivers, and was curious about plans for finishing up the xserver merge
[06:52] <dholbach> seb128: doing gthumb
[06:53] <seb128> dholbach: cool, I'm doing nautilus
[06:53] <Simira> hmm...
[06:53] <Simira> dholbach: how's your Dutch?
[06:54] <Hobbsee> Simira!!!
[06:54] <Simira> hi Hobbsee, home already?
[06:54] <dholbach> Simira: barely existant
[06:55] <Simira> dholbach: ok, nm then :)
[06:55] <Hobbsee> Simira: yeah, after 36 hours of travel, 4 and a bit planes, 3 trains, 1 taxi, and 1 car.
[06:55] <Simira> and a bit???
[06:55] <Simira> where was the parted plane?
[06:57] <Hobbsee> Simira: we taxi'd out to the runway, then they decided that we really shouldnt take off, and took us back
[06:57] <Simira> right
[06:57] <Hobbsee> ground power to the plane died.
[06:58] <Hobbsee> Simira: although, there was major fog in sydney when we were originally supposed to get in - so we may have been ended up shoved to melbourne instead, had we gottne thru
[06:59] <keescook> bryce: well, I need someone to look at the debian/rules differences (seb128?) but beyond that, I think it's a simple case of dropping the patch timo mentioned, building it and testing it on a gutsy install
[07:00] <bryce> keescook: ok, let me know when you want to tackle those things, and how I can help
[07:01] <seb128> bryce, keescook: I'm happy to look at the xserver merge if you want, that will be for tomorrow though, I've to run in like 10 minutes
[07:03] <keescook> seb128: I'll put together some specific questions about it and email you.
[07:03] <keescook> bryce: let's walk through it later today (say maybe around 1pm?)
[07:03] <seb128> keescook: ok
[07:06] <racarr> .win goto 17
[07:06] <racarr> err. Sorry about that.
[07:06] <bryce> keescook: sounds great!
[07:07] <bryce> I'm going to get started on the video driver DaD merges; a bunch look real simple
[07:08] <keescook> bryce: cool.  now that MoM is working again, you might want to look there too.  I'm not sure which gets run more frequently (merges.ubuntu.com)
[07:08] <Mithrandir> mom runs every hour
[07:08] <bryce> ok
[07:08] <bryce> will DaD be going away then?
[07:11] <keescook> bryce: not sure.
[07:12] <Hobbsee> bryce: you''d have to ask those who wrote it
[07:13] <keescook> hiya zul!  any chance you can look at the xen-3.0 merge?  I only touched it last because of the security update I stuffed into it.  :)
[07:15] <zul> keescook: yep Im in the middle of it now gutsy is going to have 3.1
[07:15] <keescook> cool
[07:26] <ogra> woot, according to MOM debian is ahead of us with gnome package versions ? wow ... i think thats the first time since ubuntu exists ... 
[07:30] <pitti> asac: enigmail (in NEW) does not C/R/P: mozilla-thunderbird-enigmail
[07:30] <pitti> asac: can they actually be installed side by side?
[07:32] <asac> pitti: let me look
[07:35] <asac> pitti: looks like a bug
[07:37] <pitti> asac: I leave it in NEW until it's fixed, ok?
[07:38] <asac> sure first thing in the morning
[07:38] <asac> thanks
[07:59] <mjg59> Hm. What's up with gucharmap?
[07:59] <mjg59> It's blocking any gnome builds
[08:00] <Mithrandir> mjg59: give me an example of a blocked build?
[08:00] <mjg59> Mithrandir: gnome-applets
[08:00] <dholbach> libgucharmap6-dev -> libgucharmap-dev?
[08:07] <Kmos> pitti: check your mail
[08:09] <geser> have someone an idea why libembperl-perl fails to build on the i386 and amd64 buildds (but builds fine in an amd64 pbuilder)?
[08:11] <Mithrandir> because apache 1 is broken, it seem
[08:11] <Mithrandir> +s
[08:12] <geser> does the buildd use an other apache package than my pbuilder?
[08:13] <geser> it builds on the other arch buildds
[09:50] <ogra> pitti, ??
[09:50] <ogra>      - debian/dhcp3-server.init.d: Allow LTSP to override default configuration
[09:50] <ogra>        in /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf.
[09:50] <ogra> ??
[09:50] <ogra> is that adopted by debian ? 
[09:50] <pitti> ogra: certainly not?
[09:51] <ogra> no idea
[09:51] <ogra> i just looked into your changelog 
[09:51] <pitti> ogra: it's in 'remaining changes'
[09:51] <ogra> oh, thats meant to be a dash, not a minus ? 
[09:52] <pitti> yes, it's just a normal list
[09:52] <ogra> ok
[09:52] <ogra> i read it as minus ... the plusses in there confused me, sorry
[09:53] <pitti> no worries; it's just a standard changelog enumeration order, *, then -, then +
[09:53] <ogra> yep
[10:04] <micahcowan> Would anybody like to sponsor a gawk patch? bug 58256.
[10:04] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 58256 in gawk "length() memory error " [Undecided,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/58256
[10:09] <shaya> so did the libnspr4 upgrade break everything that uses it? :)
[10:17] <xst> Does anyone know the status of bug #108288?
[10:17] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 108288 in linux-source-2.6.20 "Audio is played in "slow motion"" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/108288
[10:19] <pochu> xst: looks like confirmed :p
[10:26] <xst> pochu: Yes, I can see that. But besides that, are there any progress?
[10:32] <pochu> xst: just kidding :) Looking at the bug report, I'd say there isn't
[10:50] <pitti> Riddell: I just removed pmount from the kubuntu desktop seed FYI
[10:53] <Riddell> pitti: ok
[10:54] <pitti> Riddell: do you plan a kdelibs upload in the next time to remove it? or shall I upload it or file a bu?
[10:54] <pitti> bug, even
[10:55] <Riddell> pitti: go ahead, I'm on holiday this week
[10:57] <freezone> hi
[10:59] <pygi> 4
[11:05] <bryce> keescook: btw, if/when you want to talk xserver, I'm ready
[11:06] <keescook> bryce: okay, let me finish up my pptp testing, one sec
[11:06] <bryce> keescook: I found with the video drivers that they're depending on xserver 1.3 now