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[03:58] yes [03:58] depends on the timezone [03:58] how are you? :) [03:59] oh, spanish time === Hobbsee isn ton that anymore. [03:59] not spanish :P Croatia :p [03:59] well, i just got home, after 36 hours of travel [03:59] nice :) [03:59] yep === troy_s [n=aphorism@d206-116-6-170.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:00] Hobbsee, you must be tired [04:00] heh [04:01] pygi: not too bad - slept a lot of frankfurt --> singapore, and singapore --> sydney [04:01] oh. well, I wasn't of that luck to sleep :P [04:01] :P === Hobbsee is little, therefore can sleep on planes [04:04] ^_^ [04:04] "dear carrier pidgeons, please dont go on strike, kthxbye" === pygi sends pidgeons to Hobbsee :) [04:06] lol [04:10] Hobbsee, did they eat you? === dAndy [n=dandy@serenity.cat.pdx.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:11] pygi: dont think so [04:11] ehm, why not? :( === pygi is sad now === pygi sends turtles to Hobbsee === Hobbsee eats the turtles === pygi sends whales === norton_escafe [n=victor@adsl-75-55-115-198.dsl.austtx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:25] pygi: you were in sevilla? [04:25] i guess i didn't do a good job of putting a face to an irc nick there [04:34] Amaranth, I wasn't === dAndy [n=dandy@serenity.cat.pdx.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:34] why would I be there? I know nothing, so couldn't help with anything [04:35] :) [04:35] why would i be there? ;) === Demitar_ [n=demitar@c-212-031-190-120.cust.broadway.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:39] Amaranth, you should answer that [04:39] bling? :) [04:44] no idea, as I said ... 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[07:16] glick: it will automount + ask for a passphrase for LUKS disks [07:17] glick: (so if you have an encrypted USB pen or something, with a LUKS bit on it, it will work) [07:17] Treenaks, i also mean network communication [07:18] glick: SSL/TLS stuff? server or client side? [07:18] i.e. automatically encrypt outgoing email, decrypt incommnig emails, encrypt web communications [07:18] ah [07:18] the default email client (evolution) supports both S/MIME and GnuPG (PGP) signing and encrypting [07:18] i know it supports it [07:18] and of course SMTP/POP/IMAP over SSL/TLS [07:18] but most people dont use it [07:19] it's all just a question of putting the right ticks in the right boxes :) [07:19] we should try to make encryption main stream [07:19] I agree, but you can't force people to buy S/MIME certs (and no, Cacert is not good enough: Outlook will complain) [07:19] (until cacert is available by default in default windows installs) [07:20] do you think it would be possible to encrypt all web traffic? [07:20] not unless all sites go https instead of http [07:21] damn governments [07:22] glick: not just them... most sites are plain http, not https [07:22] also for server performance reasons, of course [07:22] right === iwj [n=ian@xenophobe.extern.relativity.greenend.org.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Treenaks pokes iwj's net connection [07:24] finally back home [07:25] ajmitch: wb :) [07:25] ajmitch: had a good flight? [07:25] long but uneventful [07:26] and gladly not full, so I had some room to move [07:26] best of all, my suitcase was even on the right plane this time :) [07:26] wow :) for a change ;) === Treenaks saw an A380 land/taxi at Seville airport [07:26] impressive? [07:26] That's quite the beast [07:27] did you get some photos of it? [07:27] ajmitch: a bunch, didn't get them off my camera yet [07:27] good work [07:28] apparently, it just came back from a nearby airforce base, where they've been testing the noise output [07:29] anyway, off to work for me, sleep well :) [07:29] bye :) === ajmitch still feels like he's moving, which isn't good when sitting still :) [07:39] ajmitch: dude, you're lucky [07:39] my suitcase was on the flight after me and got wet somehow [07:40] so the TSA "we went through your shit" tag soaked ink into my clothes === iwj [n=ian@xenophobe.extern.relativity.greenend.org.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === HiddenWolf [n=HiddenWo@136.233.dynamic.phpg.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:01] morning === stub [n=stub@ppp-58.8.6.98.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti [n=pitti@195.227.105.180] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mpt [n=mpt@canonical/launchpad/mpt] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:07] Good morning === ..[topic/#ubuntu-devel:pitti] : Development of Ubuntu (not support, even with gutsy; not application development on Ubuntu) | #ubuntu for support and general discussion for dapper/edgy/feisty | #ubuntu-motu for getting involved in development | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment | See #ubuntu-bugs for http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs | Gutsy open, go ape! === koke_ [n=koke@87.218.96.225] has joined #ubuntu-devel === infinity3 is now known as infinity === stu1 [n=stub@ppp-58.8.211.31.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #ubuntu-devel === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:33] morning, pitti [08:33] Hey Mithrandir, got home in one piece? [08:34] yes, but the airline lost my luggage. [08:34] again. [08:34] erk [08:35] Mithrandir: Nice. [08:35] indeed. [08:35] so I get to sort out that mess today, I guess [08:35] Mithrandir: Next time you book say, "I'm going to Boston, but I'd like you to send my luggage to Australia." [08:36] 'We don't do that, sir.' "Why not? You did it last time!" [08:36] heh [08:36] I'm not sure if it's actually misrouted, I believe it's just delayed. [08:37] Amaranth had that problem, his luggage was on the flight after. === Lathiat laughs @ StevenK [08:38] Mithrandir: yeah same here.. delayed in Madrid.. it?s on its way here now [08:38] I wouldn't wish that fun on anyone, though. === StevenK has a flashback to Mako at the UDS in Mountain View. [08:39] what happened there? [08:40] If I recall correctly, his luggage was delayed by two days when he arrived. [08:41] StevenK: I arrived in SVQ on Friday and got my luggage on Monday (or was it Tuesday?) === shiyee [n=Shiyee@homer.cs.aau.dk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:42] That's a quality airline. Quality with a K, that is. [08:42] you mean they run KDE on all their systems? === Mithrandir hides. === dholbach [n=daniel@i59F7018E.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:43] I'd rather blame the airports, the airline itself probably didn't touch the luggage. [08:43] That's a poiint. [08:43] s/ii/i/ [08:43] hiya Daniel === StevenK idly notes he doesn't care that Mithrandir bashes KDE. [08:43] good morning [08:43] hey Tollef [08:45] StevenK: shame Hobbsee isn't around to be trolled. [08:47] Heh [08:47] I must admit it's fun trolling Hobbsee about KDE. [08:47] except in person when she tries to poke holes in my ribs. === persia [n=persia@p1033-ipbf37marunouchi.tokyo.ocn.ne.jp] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:53] Mithrandir: Same. === koke_ [n=koke@14.Red-88-26-177.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dholbach_ [n=daniel@i59F71412.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hunger [n=tobias@pd95b0676.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === thekorn [n=thekorn@a89-182-6-105.net-htp.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mario [n=mario@83-131-31-218.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === chand| [n=rsamson@linagoraberri.pck.nerim.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mvo [n=egon@p54A67C9C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === carlos [n=carlos@canonical/launchpad/carlos] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Spads [n=spacehob@unaffiliated/spads] has joined #ubuntu-devel === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:37] hi folks [09:48] mjg59: can you make me a member of the ~motu team? [09:49] mjg59: it seems there are no administrators for the team and somehow ~ubuntu-dev is not member of the team === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Watersevenub [n=Watersev@242-104.dial.nortenet.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Zdra [n=zdra@188.242-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === azeem [n=mbanck@ppp-88-217-29-11.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Yasumoto [n=joe@trailers66.chapman.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Znarl [n=znarl@jewel.roundabout.org] has joined #ubuntu-devel === azeem [n=mbanck@ppp-88-217-29-11.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sabdfl [n=sabdfl@ubuntu/member/pdpc.silver.sabdfl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === phanatic [n=phanatic@ubuntu/member/phanatic] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:18] doko: what is your plan wrt fixing the hunspell breakage? Just get ooo recompiled? [10:20] Mithrandir: I doubt it will sucessfully build at the moment; didn't plan any updates this week [10:21] ok === alex-weej [n=alex@halls-129-31-82-59.hor.ic.ac.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:29] Mithrandir: Please give-back jackbeat and prokyon3 on sparc. [10:32] persia: given-back [10:32] Mithrandir: Thank you. === phanatic [n=phanatic@ubuntu/member/phanatic] has joined #ubuntu-devel === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #ubuntu-devel === carlos_ [n=carlos@10.pool85-55-12.dynamic.orange.es] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cassidy [n=cassidy@host-213-189-171-21.brutele.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === koke_ [n=koke@14.Red-88-26-177.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lifeless [n=robertc@ppp245-86.static.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cprov [n=cprov@canonical/launchpad/cprov] has joined #ubuntu-devel === carlos__ [n=carlos@165.pool85-55-11.dynamic.orange.es] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mpt [n=mpt@canonical/launchpad/mpt] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mpt [n=mpt@canonical/launchpad/mpt] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mdz [n=mdz@yttrium.canonical.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jono [n=jono@ubuntu/member/jono] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sky_walkie [i=czzhrd02@xdsl-563.lodz.dialog.net.pl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:11] any idea how the upgrade path from dapper to gutsy+1 will look like? Does it make sense to keep transition packages [11:11] ? === DBO [n=DBO@unaffiliated/dbo] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:12] ping BenC [11:12] asac: yes, but mvo knows more about that - he does update tests regularly - although I don't know if it's dapper->gutsy+1 or ->gutsy+2 that we will need to support [11:12] asac: talk to mvo about it. === carlos_ [n=carlos@242.pool85-55-14.dynamic.orange.es] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:12] mvo: ^^^ [11:12] dholbach: current plan is gutsy+1 is the next LTS [11:13] alright [11:13] dholbach, ^_^ [11:13] mario: hm? [11:13] asac: keeping transitional packages is a good idea. we can work around missing ones quite easily with update-manager, but in general it makes our live easier [11:13] just hi :p [11:14] ah - I didn't know "^_^" meant "hi" [11:14] mvo: so how about mozilla transition ... it was dropped for feisty ... now a replacement will reappear? [11:14] hi mario === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:15] dholbach, PM ok? === luisbg [n=d33p@87.217.144.221] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:17] DBO: sure [11:18] asac: you mean that the mozilla suite was removed entirely? [11:18] hey mvo [11:18] exactly [11:18] hey seb128 [11:19] mvo: will the upgrade be a "one-big-step" thing ... or will upgrade manager do a multi-step upgrade under the hoods? [11:19] asac: well, we could add some code into the "quirks" handler that transition them automatically to firefix and thunderbird. how important do you consider this? [11:19] asac: its a "one-big-thing" step currently, also we could change this. but so far there was no need for changing it [11:20] mvo: ok ... i will think a bit. but i think we just want the mozilla -> seamonkey/iceape migration. [11:21] asac: ok, you don't have to do it with transitional package, if you give me details I can do it inside the release-upgrader and we add it to the manual-upgrades release notes [11:22] mvo: ok fine. [11:23] asac: could you file a bug about it so that I do not forget it :) ? [11:24] mvo: against what package? [11:24] asac: update-manager please [11:24] k [11:24] mvo: product or ubuntu source? [11:25] mvo: speaking about transition, do you want to do the gaim to pidgin one to update-manager? [11:29] seb128: what scope is it? would all we need be a single gaim transitional package? [11:30] mvo: gaim being renamed to pidgin and plugin packages as well === kent [n=kent@82.145.145.164] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:30] mvo: is that something that requires update-manager magic or the provides, conflicts, replaces are enough? [11:30] mvo: 114587 [11:31] asac: thanks! === carlos__ [n=carlos@158.pool85-55-1.dynamic.orange.es] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:32] seb128: the general rule is that if apt understands it, u-m will understand it too. it just has some additional hinting features for difficult situations === bonii [n=boni@unaffiliated/bonii] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:32] mvo: k, so it should be ok === fabbione [n=fabbione@port49.ds1-van.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mderk [n=ubiq@116.21.105.170] has joined #ubuntu-devel === koke_ [n=koke@14.Red-88-26-177.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pochu [n=emilio@10.Red-83-59-168.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pkl [n=phillip@lougher.demon.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Arby [n=richard@shiny.york.ac.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:41] doko: do you have an idea about http://librarian.launchpad.net/7592538/buildlog_ubuntu-gutsy-amd64.texlive-bin_2007-7ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz ? This didn't happen with previous versions [11:41] cjwatson: are you happy with me doing the base-files merge? :) [11:45] pitti: not seen before. just amd64? [11:45] doko: yes [11:45] doko: we can try a give-back, maybe transient glitch with binutils or so? [11:46] pitti: well, maybe wait until my binutils upload is in the archive [11:47] doko: ok === dharrigan [n=dharriga@82-71-62-76.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:53] Mithrandir: Hi. Did you perhaps get a chance to look over the email from dholbach re: licensing? === haggai [n=halls@credativ.bcnadsl.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:59] mvo: can you take a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IncreaseHardwareDatabaseParticipation?action=diff&rev2=12&rev1=11 ? [12:00] pitti: sure === RadiantFire [n=ryan@ip68-230-209-186.rd.hr.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:03] pitti: ok, that sounds good === chand| [n=rsamson@linagoraberri.pck.nerim.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:06] dharrigan: no, sorry, I've been busy at UDS. I'll try to get to it today. [12:08] Mithrandir: ta :) === allee [n=ach@lapex-mcallee.mpe.mpg.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:18] pitti: are you working on this right now? if not, I will add the code, it seems straightforward [12:18] mvo: no, I'm not; I'm currently busy with spec writing [12:18] mvo: thanks! === mc44 [n=mc44@unaffiliated/mc44] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:19] pitti: *cough* I need to go back to spec writing too, but this looks like a good excuse to stop it for ~30min [12:19] :) === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #ubuntu-devel === PriceChild [n=pricechi@ubuntu/member/pricechild] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:34] Hey asac, could you give me your forums name or profile page? I can't find it :) [12:34] PriceChild: his LP page? [12:34] asac [12:34] PriceChild: ^^^ ?? === Hobbsee waves === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:35] PriceChild: http://ubuntuforums.org/member.php?u=177366 [12:35] aha got you asac... dunno why I didn't pick that up earlier... thanks :) [12:35] PriceChild: thanks!!! [12:36] Hobbsee: hi! [12:36] Hobbsee: you made it ;) [12:36] heya Treenaks! [12:36] Treenaks: yeah, eventually! [12:37] good :) [12:37] 36 hours of transit [12:37] 4 planes, 3 trains, and one car trip. [12:37] Hobbsee: ouch.. [12:38] 1 taxi ride, 2 planes, 1 bus = 5.5 hours of fun [12:38] heh [12:38] oh i forgot about the taxi [12:40] so now you're very tired, and very jetlagged! ;) [12:41] i slept for a bit earlier [12:41] didnt think i was *too* jetlagged though === Treenaks is getting the plague :( === Mithrandir isn't too badly jetlagged either. [12:44] Me neither. [12:44] or me [12:44] Perhaps its because i have resided in the same country. [12:44] hmm, does anybody hav a clue where /usr/lib/initramfs-tools/bin/busybox comes from ? there is no travce in the initramfs-tools source package ... [12:44] ogra: Is it static? [12:44] yes [12:45] but there is no code in the source that builds it or something [12:45] : tfheen@thosu ~ > apt-file search /usr/lib/initramfs-tools/bin/busybox [12:45] busybox-initramfs: usr/lib/initramfs-tools/bin/busybox === infinity2 [n=adconrad@cerberus.0c3.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:45] ogra@laptop:~/initramfs-tools-0.85eubuntu10$ LANG=C dpkg -l /usr/lib/initramfs-tools/bin/busybox [12:45] No packages found matching /usr/lib/initramfs-tools/bin/busybox. [12:45] intresting === jrib [n=jrib@upstream/dev/jrib] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:45] % dpkg -S /usr/lib/initramfs-tools/bin/busybox [12:45] busybox-initramfs: /usr/lib/initramfs-tools/bin/busybox [12:45] what's interesting about that, apart from you using -l instead of -S ? :-P [12:45] It's because you can't drive dpkg. === StevenK high fives Mithrandir [12:45] gah ... === ogra goes to find more caffeine [12:46] caffeine++ [12:48] highvoltage, i wonder if thats our problem here ... i think jim uses a dynamically linked version in ltsp 4.2 === Arby_ [n=richard@shiny.york.ac.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:48] ogra: dynamically linked version of busybox, or those directories that are linked on boot time? === ogra guesses ours is linked against klibc ... and checks the source ... [12:48] ah, busybox. === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-devel === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-devel === allee [n=ach@lapex-mcallee.mpe.mpg.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === phanatic [n=phanatic@ubuntu/member/phanatic] has joined #ubuntu-devel === allee [n=ach@lapex-mcallee.mpe.mpg.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === luisbg [n=d33p@87.217.144.163] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jwendell [n=wendell@ubuntu/member/wendell] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Huahua [n=hua@121.32.160.214] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mpt [n=mpt@canonical/launchpad/mpt] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mario [n=mario@83-131-71-49.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pkl [n=phillip@lougher.demon.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pkl is now known as pkl_ [01:23] hi folks === allee [n=ach@lapex-mcallee.mpe.mpg.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:33] asac: is it just me, or did the firefox icon (as I have it in my panel) disapper in the last week for everyone? [01:33] pitti: it's there for me [01:33] I just have that generic 'X' icon for it [01:34] hm, ok; /me fixes it manually [01:35] pitti, ! [01:35] pitti: hmmm ... haven't heard of a bug [01:36] pitti: what was missing for you? [01:38] asac: the starter in the panel didn't have an icon any more [01:39] ok [01:39] asac: I fixed it now, but .config/autostart/firefox.desktop didn't change; no idea where those icons are defined [01:40] interesting === bashelier [n=bashelie@gov91-1-82-234-91-6.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:46] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/ltspfs-virtual-hal-devices would be ready for review [01:46] smurf: btw, will you still do reviews? [01:50] ogra: new gnome-power-manager available (2.19 === Monk-e [n=guidostu@c529dd229.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:50] pitti: the panel launchers are not autostart desktops, they are stored to .gnome2/panel2.d/default/launchers [01:51] Hrm, I need to actually get a clue about my spec. [01:51] seb128, thanks === mvo_ [n=egon@p54A67AC1.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:51] seb128: heh, they are named 'bar', 'eek', 'foo', 'foo' for me [01:51] pitti: Would you mind casting an eye over it and telling me what you think? [01:52] pitti: yeah, that's normal ;) [01:54] StevenK: which spec? [01:54] pitti: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/about-ubuntu-revisited [01:54] pitti: Be gentle. :-) [01:56] StevenK: hm, it's not possible to merge those new information into the existing yelp page? [01:56] StevenK: TBH I'd rather not mess with the Desktop team's stuff; they are better suited for input about that [01:58] pitti: Well, I was mainly looking for a "it looks sane to have other people look at it" :-) [01:59] StevenK: implementation should outline the, well, implementation: whether it's a standalone GTK app, or a yelp page, etc. [01:59] StevenK: and it should have a stanza about merging the current page [02:00] pitti: That's the hard part - Kubuntu being QT, and Ubuntu, Edubuntu and Xubuntu being GTK. [02:00] yeah, you won't get around writing differnet UIs unless you have a UI agnostic solution like a web page [02:01] and I'm not entirely sure about the use cases/rationale [02:01] I don't mind writing different UIs, personally. A web page also can't display informtion about the machine itself. [02:01] after all, the gentoo use case knows uname probably, for bug reporting we have apport automatically collect that info, sysadmins will prefer to ssh into the box and check lsb_release, etc. [02:02] static web page> right [02:02] To be honest, the use cases were taken from the original specification. === zul [n=chuck@ubuntu/member/zul] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Monk-e [n=guidostu@c529dd229.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Yvonne [n=01101110@pdpc/supporter/active/Yvonne] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bonii [n=boni@unaffiliated/bonii] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Monk-e [n=guido@c529dd229.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ivoks [n=ivoks@4-12.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Demitar_ [n=demitar@c-212-031-190-120.cust.broadway.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zul_ [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ivoks [n=ivoks@4-12.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === infinity [n=adconrad@cerberus.0c3.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cypherbios [n=cypher@ubuntu/member/cypherbios] has joined #ubuntu-devel === PhilK [n=PhilK@mail.pressure-pro.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:54] seb128: if you have a minute, I'd welcome your feedback about https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ApportCrashDuplicates [02:54] seb128: I hope I got it reasonably robust, but you have more experience in that, I think [02:54] hiya pitti [02:56] hey Hobbsee! you made it back! [02:56] pitti: You're still speccing? :) [02:56] pitti: eventually, yes. [02:56] pitti: 36 hours, a taxi, 4 and a bit plane flights, 3 trains, and a car later. [02:56] Treenaks: 'still'? I only finished three specs today, that will cost me the better part of the week :) [02:57] Hobbsee: I'm reminded of Planes, Trains and Automobiles, and you didn't have to put up with John Candy. [02:58] StevenK: heh [02:59] StevenK: you don't know that last part :P [02:59] Treenaks: Hah [03:00] pitti: will look in a bit === infinity2 [n=adconrad@cerberus.0c3.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Monk-e [n=guido@c529dd229.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Watersevenub [n=Watersev@242-229.dial.nortenet.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel === thekorn [n=thekorn@a81-14-165-51.net-htp.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === fsmw [n=Fernando@200.72.33.75] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bashelier [n=bashelie@gov91-1-82-234-91-6.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dholbach [n=daniel@i59F71412.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Yasumoto [n=joe@trailers66.chapman.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:58] spacey: I just read the comments on your blog, it seems you have the same trouble I do with people leaving comments that are total retards [03:59] sharms: hehe, indeed:) [03:59] my anti-spam plugin is not hard enough [03:59] I am developing a theory, in which no matter how well you describe a point, no matter how it is addressed, these people will still comment [04:00] sharms: Not appropriate here [04:00] mjg59: gotcha [04:00] :) === zerbero4 [n=jga@p213.54.17.7.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === slomo [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-devel === glatzor [n=sebi@88.134.194.143] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:09] mjg59, do we have a valid tech reason to not include 915resolution in main ? [04:09] Yes. It's horrible. [04:09] And -intel will be stable enough for gutsy. [04:09] well, i wont be able to make the classmatepc work without it it seems === johanbr [n=j@blk-224-156-151.eastlink.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:10] Then use -intel. [04:10] Or get Intel to ship a working mode in their bios [04:10] Using 915resolution effectively guarantees that any external video output won't work [04:10] Because it does nothing to reprogram the timings [04:10] xserver-xorg-video-intel you mean ? [04:11] Yes [04:11] ah, k [04:11] Or i810-modesetting [04:11] why isnt xorg selecting that one by default ? can we fix that ? [04:11] ogra: because we are still early in the development cycle. [04:11] Because it's a regression on a lot of hardware currently supported by i810 [04:12] aha [04:12] Though that'll be fixed soon [04:12] hmm [04:12] good :) [04:12] i830 support is being added now [04:13] Mithrandir: can we please try a give-back for texlive-bin on amd64? new binutils are in the archive [04:14] pitti: backgegeben [04:14] :) === pitti arghs at javacc which FTBFSed on the buildd but works fine in a pbuilder [04:16] Mithrandir: can you please kick javacc as well? [04:16] pitti: backgegibt [04:16] Mithrandir: Please give-back sooperlooper on sparc and drscheme on powerpc. === pitti hugs Mithrandir [04:17] Mithrandir: could you reject decoratortools from the NEW queue? it is needed for turbogears 1.0.2.2 but Debian undid the upstream change requiring it as a seperate module and I want to file a sync request for the Debian package [04:17] geser: rejected [04:18] persia: given-back. === Z5Yan [n=5yan@125.71.0.186] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:18] Mithrandir: Thank you. === JohnFlux_ [n=JohnFlux@cpc3-brig10-0-0-cust96.brig.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sbalneav [n=sbalneav@mail.legalaid.mb.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jono [n=jono@ubuntu/member/jono] has joined #ubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #ubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #ubuntu-devel === giskard [n=giskard@213-140-22-74.fastres.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Yasumoto_ [n=joe@trailers66.chapman.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bashelier [n=bashelie@gov91-1-82-234-91-6.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:28] ogra: also, -intel is still in universe [04:29] well, if thats a sane package we'll get it to main [04:29] ogra: You'll want to talk to Bryce about the plans for that [04:29] mjg59, seen my /mgs ? [04:29] *msg [04:32] ogra: IMHO it's really sane, I've been using for more than a month, and it works fine [04:32] great === jack_wyt [n=jack@61.149.1.25] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:33] ogra: Ah, I'm not identified [04:33] oh, k [04:34] right, your cloak isnt set i should have noticed [04:34] I don't have a cloak [04:34] oh, i thought ubuntu members are auto cloaked ... [04:35] Really? I'd hope not. === Z5Yan [n=5yan@125.71.0.186] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [04:36] ogra: only if they ask [04:36] ah, k === JamieFo1 [n=Jamie@85-210-27-217.dsl.pipex.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Yasumoto_ [n=joe@trailers66.chapman.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mthaddon [n=mthaddon@canonical/launchpad/mthaddon] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bddebian [n=bdefrees@63.81.56.182] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:48] Heya === sabdfl [n=sabdfl@ubuntu/member/pdpc.silver.sabdfl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === luisbg [n=d33p@87.217.144.32] has joined #ubuntu-devel === iceman_ [n=iceman@cable-87-244-154-165.upc.chello.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ahuman [n=oem@ool-43557e7c.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:57] pitti: if you have a moment, can you please take a look at bug #103688? It's for a sru [04:57] Launchpad bug 103688 in liferea "liferea crashes - ** ERROR **: file itemlist.c: line 172 (itemlist_load): assertion failed: (NULL != itemSet)" [Medium,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/103688 [04:58] pitti: it's a one-line-change, so it shouldn't be a lot of time :) === sn0 [n=sno_@cpc3-blfs6-0-0-cust294.belf.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === HiddenWolf [n=HiddenWo@136.233.dynamic.phpg.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Demitar [n=demitar@c-212-031-190-120.cust.broadway.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lfittl [n=lfittl@212.41.228.52] has joined #ubuntu-devel === j_ack [n=jack@p508D83D2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/Amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:29] pochu: hm, does that really affect so many users? === hile [n=hile@nblzone-240-170.nblnetworks.fi] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hile [n=hile@nblzone-240-170.nblnetworks.fi] has joined #ubuntu-devel === shiyee [n=Shiyee@0x535854b3.abnxx4.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hile [n=hile@nblzone-240-170.nblnetworks.fi] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hobbsee_ [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zenrox [i=zenrox@pool-71-120-243-30.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bashelier [n=bashelie@gov91-1-82-234-91-6.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:46] BenC: you want to patch pidgin, gaim is deprecated [05:46] seb128: ah, ok [05:46] seb128: thanks [05:46] np [05:47] elmo: Unable to find a source package for pidgin [05:47] s/elmo/E:/ [05:47] benc: /set completion_auto off :-) [05:48] ion_: that's no fun. Then I wont be able to bug elmo by accident :) === cypherbios [n=cypher@ubuntu/member/cypherbios] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:48] :-) [05:48] heh [05:49] You could always patch dpkg to say elmo: instead of E:. [05:52] pitti: I think so: open liferea, go to a folder, and go to another folder :) === finalbeta [n=gggggggg@d54C6865D.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:52] and since it's one line... [05:53] pochu: hm, so not just a corner case then; we only have two bugs about that [05:53] pochu: approved, I updated the bug [05:53] pitti: maybe people doesn't use folders? :) [05:53] pitti: cool, thanks! [05:53] BenC: [05:53] $ apt-cache madison pidgin [05:53] pidgin | 1:2.0.0+dfsg.1-3ubuntu1 | http://archive.ubuntu.com gutsy/main Packages [05:53] pidgin | 1:2.0.0+dfsg.1-3ubuntu1 | http://archive.ubuntu.com gutsy/universe Sources === randomwalker [n=me@horatio-041.cs.utexas.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === MagnusR [n=magru@c83-252-237-96.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:57] hi, how do i go about getting a deb accepted in the ubuntu repos? is this the right place to ask? [05:58] randomwalker: I think #ubuntu-motu would be better [05:58] pochu: thanks === Yasumoto [n=joe@trailers66.chapman.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stgraber [n=stgraber@ubuntu/member/stgraber] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ivoks [n=ivoks@38-115.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:06] siretart: the new totem requires xine-lib 1.1.7, do you plan to update it this week? [06:07] seb128: did you mean perhaps xine-lib 1.1.6? [06:07] no [06:07] $ grep XINE configure.in [06:07] XINE_REQS=1.1.7 [06:07] seb128: if yes, I already uploaded it one or two weeks ago, but it FTBFS because of ffmpeg missing [06:07] seb128: 1.1.7 is not released yet. do you want me to upload a development snapshot? [06:08] * configure.in: Up the required xine-lib version, to get the [06:08] xine-lib fix at [06:08] http://hg.debian.org/hg/xine-lib/xine-lib?cmd=changeset;node=2b182beaba68;style=gitweb [06:08] hum [06:08] I'll just drop the requirement then [06:08] and talk to totem upstream about it [06:08] the fix seems pretty sane to me [06:08] I can include that patch in the 1.1.6 package [06:09] that would be nice [06:09] I make myself a note [06:09] cool [06:09] I need to update xine-ui as well.. argh [06:12] seb128: note that xine-lib 1.1.6 is not built in gutsy. if you need it quick, just reupload with dropped build-deps and comment out the line in debian rules containing '--with-external-ffmpeg' === bashelier [n=bashelie@gov91-1-82-234-91-6.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:18] dholbach, ltsp-build-client has a default list of package it installs in the chroot ... since thats free to be tewaked by and admin to his/her liking i try to avoid package deps from ltsp-client ... in case of the cursor theme thats not true i think but there might be packages ... [06:19] ogra: ok, if you want, you can change your cursor.theme to inherit from Industrial,Human [06:19] ogra: that way it should fall back to one of them [06:19] (if found) [06:20] i think thats what i do already ... [06:20] for ldm [06:20] then I don't know what else I should take care of for you [06:20] in ltsp we dont do that for all packages [06:21] EARLY_PACKAGES="xserver-xorg libgl1-mesa-glx libgl1-mesa-dri libglu1-mesa xfonts-base xbase-clients xutils xkb-data xterm ltsp-client d [06:21] iscover1 laptop-detect xresprobe pulseaudio pulseaudio-esound-compat inputattach usplash ldm ltspfsd human-cursors-theme usplash-theme-ubuntu" === zul_ [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:21] an admin is free to use a different value for EARLY_PACKAGES [06:21] thast why we dont have deps in place there [06:21] ogra: are you saying you still want human-cursors-theme in main? [06:22] i can try to make the default lis a recommends [06:22] no [06:22] i say you wouldnt have found it with rdepends [06:22] ok [06:22] since EARLY_PACKAGES isnt in any dependency tree [06:22] right [06:23] i'l add the defaults to be a recommends or suggests of ltsp-client for gutsy so you can see what its in EARLY_PACKAGES without reading the source [06:23] ok === stratus [n=stratus@201.53.55.52] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:23] i remember we had that prob before ... so lets get it solved now :) === svolpe_gerrath [n=Gerrath_@unaffiliated/gerrath] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:33] pitti: do I need a MIR for industrial-cursors-theme? (it just contains cursors - we want to drop human-cursors-theme) === shiyee_ [n=Shiyee@0x53585488.abnxx4.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:40] dholbach: I'll take a look at the package before promoting it [06:41] pitti: ok, take your time === beuno [n=martin@ubuntu/member/beuno] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:46] keescook: you abouts? [06:49] bryce: yawp, catching up on some email. sup? [06:50] I was thinking about working on merging a few of the xserver video drivers, and was curious about plans for finishing up the xserver merge [06:52] seb128: doing gthumb [06:53]