ScottKGood night geser12:14
ScottKAdri2000: Got a minute to look at a bugfix ready for upload?12:15
pochunight geser 12:15
ScottKBug #113803 is ready for uus review I believe.12:16
ubotuLaunchpad bug 113803 in python-scientific "Python-netcdf crashes in Feisty" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11380312:16
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bhaleok kids, what is the latest proceedure for sync requests?12:24
pochubhale: is the package in universe?12:25
bhalepochu: no.12:25
pochubhale: then I think you have to file a bug against the package, and after that subscribe ubuntu-archive12:27
bhaleoh, thats familiar12:27
pochubhale: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SyncRequestProcess12:28
pochubhale: sorry, subscribe ubuntu-main-sponsors, and wait for a confirmation12:28
pochuthen subscribe (if they haven't done it) ubuntu-archive12:28
bhalepochu: er, i am a "main sponsor"12:29
pochubhale: lol, are you?12:29
bhalepochu: yes.12:29
pochubhale: then either confirm it yourself, or wait for any other main sponsor to confirm it :)12:29
pochubhale: hehe, didn't know :-)12:30
bhalepochu: im not that active any more12:30
bhalei did most of the mono work for warty->breezy and dropped off a bit in dapper12:30
pochuit's never late to come back! :)12:31
bhaleslomo does it better :)12:31
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beunopochu: can you spare 1 or 2 minutes?12:43
pochubeuno: sure!12:44
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beunopochu: UWN is about to go out, and I'm looking for a team to highlight and promote, the MOTU team sounds like a good candidate  :D12:45
pochubeuno: sure! but I'm not a MOTU ;)12:46
pochubeuno: I'm on my way, though :-)12:47
beunopochu: well, I'm just looking for some guidance to write a paragraph or two12:47
pochubut probably I can help you if you have any question12:47
pochubeuno: sure12:47
pochubeuno: the MOTU team takes care of the Universe and Multiverse repositories in Ubuntu12:48
pochuwhich have thousands of packages12:48
beunopochu: I'd like to define a bit "take care", can you be a bit more specific?12:49
pochuthey fix bugs, upload new upstream version, request syncs from debian, do merges with debian, package new software...12:49
beuno(I have a general idea about packaging and syncing from Debian)12:49
pochualso the MOTU hopefulls and contributors do that stuff, but we don't have rights to upload the the repo, so we ask for a MOTU for sponsorship12:50
bhalethere are also library transitions12:50
bhalejust not in recent memory?12:50
pochubhale: as the mono from warty to breezy? ;)12:50
bhalepochu: 'back in my day...'12:51
pochubeuno: hope that's useful :)12:58
pochuif you have any particular question...12:59
beunopochu: great, yeah, thanks, I'll start writing it up12:59
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pochubeuno: I'm off to bed, I wish you a good writing! :)01:11
pochunight all!01:11
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beunog'night pochu, thanks again!01:11
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Amaranthshit, still no manchicken01:58
Amaranthi hope he made his flight01:58
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Xk2ci would like to set a bug/package on the whishlist for packaging02:00
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Xk2chow do i do that02:00
ubotuLaunchpad bug 99401 in gnome-btdownload "gnome-btdownload" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  02:00
Amaranth!info gnome-btdownload02:02
ubotugnome-btdownload: Gnome interface for 'executing' BitTorrent files. In component main, is optional. Version 0.0.25-1ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 31 kB, installed size 288 kB02:02
Amaranththat's #ubuntu-desktop stuff02:02
Xk2cthansk for the information02:02
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persiaXk2c: When the Debian maintainer is gone, Ubuntu will still maintain the (now more buggy) package,  If you have a patch that fixes one of the bugs, please mirror the bug in Ubuntu (be sure to link to Debian), and attach the patch to the bug.02:04
Xk2cic persia 02:05
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persiaTheMuso: Please search prior to sync requests (bug #112606)02:13
ubotuLaunchpad bug 112606 in audacity "Pleas sync audacity 1.3.2-3 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11260602:13
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TheMusopersia: Heh.02:14
jmgpersia: lol02:14
TheMusopersia: I was waiting for this to pop up.02:15
TheMusoardour that is.02:15
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TheMusoMorning RAOF.02:18
RAOFMornin TheMuso 02:19
jmlRAOF: hi02:20
RAOFMornin to you jml :)02:21
jmlRAOF: it's actually afternoon over here/02:21
RAOFYou're in Seville?02:21
_MMA_That would be night.02:21
_MMA_Err. 2am.02:22
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superm1TheMuso, have a few moments for a revu of another package? 02:37
TheMusosuperm1: Sorry, no. I want to get some automated building of svn releases of packages set up, as users have been asking for them for weeks. I'll see how I feel mentally after that. :)02:38
superm1TheMuso, okay thanks.  feel mentally great i hope afterwords :)02:39
TheMusosuperm1: Thanks.02:39
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glickanyone up in here?03:00
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bashelierglick: I am03:21
bashelierbut I'm not a motu ;)03:22
glickhey 03:22
bashelierhey glick 03:30
glickyo 03:30
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persiahey Hobbsee04:04
Hobbseeheya persia!!!04:04
RAOFHey Hobbsee, persia 04:04
Hobbseehi RAOF!04:05
persiahi RAOF04:05
RAOFBack from UDS Hobbsee?04:06
HobbseeRAOF: yeah, just got home04:06
TheMusoHobbsee: You must be tired.04:08
HobbseeTheMuso: not too bad - slept a lot of it04:09
TheMusoThats good.04:09
racarrOr maybe she had 36 hours of invigorating refreshing travel.04:09
RAOFMmm, refershing overseas flights.  Just love em.04:10
Amaranthwhere is the buildd queue hidden in launchpad?04:15
AmaranthHobbsee: !04:15
persiaAmaranth: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy/+queue is a good place to start04:15
Amaranthwow, and i thought 21 hours was bad04:15
Amaranthoh, but my luggage was on the flight after me04:15
Hobbseemy luggage was on my flight04:16
Amaranthand got wet along the way so the TSA "we went through your shit" notice blend ink on to a bunch of my shirts and shorts04:16
RAOFThat's pretty cool.  Very nice of them.04:17
Amaranthsparc and powerpc ftbfs doesn't block entry to the archive, does it?04:17
persiaCould someone with C++-fu please tell me why pname and test2 are different in http://pastebin.ca/486808 ?04:18
Amaranthpersia: what is pnames defined as?04:18
Amaranthand did you check to see if you were overflowing?04:19
persiaAmaranth: Sorry.  I should past larger code snippets.  const char ** pnames04:19
Amaranthdid you ever malloc some space for it?04:19
persiaAmaranth: to answer that (and perhaps forestall some future questions): http://pastebin.ca/486816 provides a largeer snippet.04:21
=== Amaranth will let someone with obvious answers and more time get to that one
persiaAmaranth: Thanks for looking.04:22
Amaranthwith memory and C/C++ I just play with things until it works ;)04:22
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RAOFpersia: possibly the cWX2MB call doesn't malloc the return value?04:23
RAOFBut that'd be a bit weird.04:23
Amaranthright, that was my next idea04:23
Amaranthhaving to manually malloc room and use strdup04:23
persiaRAOF: Thanks for the hint: it appears that my problem is that wxCharBuffer != wchar_t*.04:27
RAOFThat actually was going to be my next question :)04:28
RAOF(About the return type of cWX2MB [what's with that name?] )04:28
persiaRAOF: wxwidgets is an interesting library: the names are especially fun :)04:29
Amaranthwxwidgets is horrible04:29
RAOFThey clearly have a highly advanced automatic code generator generating the API.04:29
Amaranthin the interest of working everywhere they've made a horrible library that is very similar to windows APIs04:29
RAOFEven down to the annoying hugarian prefix variable naming scheme?04:32
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persiahi ranf04:55
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Simon80so, I just sent a diff for updated zsnes to the Debian BTS, and the maintainer of the package took a year to address the last update request, albeit with no help from the reporter - should I also submit my package to revu then?05:29
Simon80or wait a couple of weeks first?05:30
persiaSimon80: I'd give it a couple weeks.  There's plenty of time before the feature freeze, and it's better to sync than to carry separate packages.05:30
Simon80on to the next package then :)05:31
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superm1_imbrandon, your mirror must be getting hammered right now, from pegasus i was getting 54.2 kb/s tops.  I switched over to a umn.edu mirror and i'm getting more along the lines of 2456 kb/s06:16
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=== minghua-windows wonders if he is fighting a losing battle being the only bugmail contact of a main package
Simon80which package?06:28
minghua-windowsI just looked through all the bugs and found a few that haven't been responded to since reported months ago06:28
minghua-windowsSimon80: scim, the package I maintain in Debian06:28
Simon80ah, scim06:28
Simon80a package I know little about, save for the fact that I know little about it, and that there is much to know06:29
Simon80it would help if I knew more than one alphabet, too06:29
=== minghua-windows only knows one alphabet, too, as Chinese doesn't have an alphabet :-)
Simon80what would you call it then?06:30
persiaminghua-windows: What about pinyin?06:30
Simon80pinyin's not an alphabet, it's an input method06:30
=== persia was under the impression it was a phonetic notation mechanism.
minghua-windowsSimon80: we just learn characters.  one by one, as there are thousands of them06:31
Simon80I'm wondering what you'd call a huge set of characters like that though06:32
Simon80a character set :)06:32
minghua-windowspersia: pinyin can use an alphabet, but it's not required06:32
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persiaminghua-windows: Ah.  My misunderstanding then (I should really learn more than i ni san shi oo in Chinese).06:33
minghua-windowsfor example, in mainland, we use latin alphabet for pinyin notation; in Taiwan, they use some strange symbol system (we used to use them 30 years ago as well)06:33
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=== persia is only familiar with Taiwan pinyin
=== Simon80 is only familiar with a few offensive verbal phrases in cantonese
minghua-windowsI heard that Serbian people can use either latin alphabet or cyrillic alphabet to write their language, I suppose that's a similar situation06:34
minghua-windowsSimon80: personally, I suspect the reason we don't call is an alphabet is not because it's huge, but because there is no well-defined order :-)06:35
persiaminghua-windows: Somewhat, although I have heard significant debate as to whether the language is the same in cyrillic or latin (but then again, there is significant difference between kanji and hanzi, despite being self-represented identically).06:35
Simon80that too06:35
minghua-windowspersia: what is "i ni san shi oo" BTW?  is that mandarin or cantonese?06:36
minghua-windowspersia: yeah, and many people think the Unicode people messed up when they make Chinese and Japanese use the same codepoints06:37
persiaminghua-windows: , , , , , and probably Taiwanese.06:37
Simon80it looks more like mandarin to my untrained eye06:38
minghua-windowspersia: probably. it's not mandarin, and I happen to know how to count in Cantonese :-)06:38
Simon80the romanised writing, I mean, I don't have a hope of understanding the glyphs06:38
persiaSimon80: Anyone should understand the first three (one, two, three) :)06:38
minghua-windowsSimon80: that's one to five in Chinese (script).  how to pronounce it depends on the language. :-)06:39
Simon80ah, that doesn't look like how it sounds..06:39
persiaSimon80: Not at all.  I first learned as "ichi ni san yon go", for example.06:39
Simon80I have to be a motu to join motu-games, don't I? :)06:41
persiaSimon80: Yes, but motu-games is very approachable.  If there is a game that is broken, and you can fix it, any of the members will be very happy to apply your fixes.06:41
Simon80well, for now, I'm more going for adding packages06:42
Simon80I suppose that's not necessarily welcome, extra work, hehe06:42
Simon80I plan on submitting openglad next, it's this old DOS game I played back in the day06:43
Simon80some people tried to clone it, and the original authors found out and gave them the source06:43
minghua-windowspraise the original authors06:44
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Simon80it's a shame stepmania's default theme is all dubious as far as legal status, I tried to get that in first06:45
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Simon80I've had a few happy replies from the forum at least06:46
Simon80about using that package and having things actually work06:46
Simon80I have yet to set up a real repo though, with different dists, a pool directory, etc06:47
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RAOFUm, why is deluge-torrent not in Feisty any more?08:17
RAOFNever mind, should've search LP first :(08:18
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dholbachgood morning08:43
RAOFGood afternoon :)08:47
FujitsuGood something.08:47
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crimsundholbach: err, sorry for spamming -bugs.09:53
dholbachwhat did you spam? how? :)09:54
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crimsunjust noticed all my responses belonged in here, that's all.09:54
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dholbachah ok - well... no problem :)09:55
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=== siretart hugs dholbach
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=== persia declares C++ to be harmful, and suggests that fans of pointers should restrict themselves to ANSI C, and that fans of objects should use python or Java.
crimsunpersia: what, you don't like templates and polymorphism?10:20
siretartwhich you don't have to the same extent in neither python nor java10:20
persiacrimsun: I like templates, but I find it really frustrating that that *foo[i]  = (const foo*) bar doesn't behave properly when **foo is passed to another context.10:22
siretartbad programmers can write bad code in any language10:22
wolfeon-.- I still need to report the python=pam bug10:23
wolfeonI need help writing a patch and makign a deb src package10:23
wolfeongenerating the patch*10:23
persiasiretart: Yes, but with C, pointers really carry type information, and in python or Java, casts are managed.  Oh well, time to move the cast up a couple levels. :)10:23
persiawolfeon: Which package?10:24
wolfeonpersia: python-pam10:24
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wolfeonit doesn't work at all with python 2.5 because the author was using the generic PyObject_free or some such, i patched it on my system, but would like to allow ubuntu to fix the problem10:24
wolfeonby not working, I mean it causes python 2.5 to segfault if you do anything to a certain point, it would be something motu would want to push out as a major bugfix for release10:25
wolfeonthe current release*10:25
persiawolfeon: For that package, there's no managed patch system.  The easiest way is to unpack a pristine copy of the source, make all the changes you need, update the changelog with `dch -i`, run debuild to make sure you didn't make a simple mistake, and run `debdiff repository-pakcage new-package` to generate the patch.  Testing the build with pbuilder or sbuild is also encouraged.10:25
wolfeonI'll have to do it tomarrow :/10:26
wolfeon*tomorrow even10:26
persiawolfeon: Actually, that's not the easiest way, just the preferred.  You could also rename the changed source tree, recollect the pristine source, and run `diff -urN pristine changed` to get a patch, but it would probably take longer to get to the archives.10:27
wolfeonpersia: all I know is.. anyone who is gonna use ubuntu on a server with webwareforpython or any framework which uses python-pam is gonna get a kick in the mouth when their app keeps segfaulting :))10:28
wolfeonnow if upstream would just accept the patch and release..10:29
persiawolfeon: Good luck on getting it upstream, and thanks for finding a solution.10:31
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gnomefreaksiretart: you still here? I never got email from revu with password and when i go to recover it doesnt give me anything to decrypt10:40
imbrandongnomefreak, have you uploaded anything yet?10:41
siretartgnomefreak: revu doesn't send mails (at least not with passwords)10:41
gnomefreakyes a few times10:41
siretartgnomefreak: what is your email with which you uploaded your packages?10:41
gnomefreakive uploaded iceape a couple of times and would like to comment. gnomefreak@ubuntu.com10:42
\share we using debians ice* for gutsy? or why do we need iceape?10:43
dholbach\sh: best to ask asac on #ubuntu-devel10:44
dholbachoh no, he's around here as well10:44
asacwhats up?10:45
gnomefreakwould rather use iceape than seamonkey branding atm10:45
\shdholbach, asac == ubuntus new mozilla * maintainer? 10:45
gnomefreakasac: branding10:45
asacah ... yes we will merge iceape for now10:45
=== gnomefreak fixing it as we speak ;)
dholbach\sh: yes - asac is the Mozilla Wizard10:46
crimsunI just realised (duh!) what use it would be (the Completely Free derivative).10:46
asacgnomefreak: i still don't see why you get your build problems .. iceape spins fine here10:46
asaci am inclined to just upload it10:47
gnomefreakasac: i dont know why it was failing from bzr10:47
gnomefreakits building fine using source from repos10:47
asaci am using bzr here10:47
gnomefreakasac: im not only person that it failed for though10:47
asacwho else?10:47
gnomefreakasac: did you use -nc?10:47
asacno -b10:48
asacfor aclean build10:48
gnomefreakit fails during testing it10:48
crimsunto be clear, it failed using pbuilder.10:48
gnomefreakasac: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=509210:48
asacwhat failed using pbuilder? building from bzr?10:48
gnomefreakcomment is there10:48
\shasac: why the change from mozilla name use to debians name use (forgetting the debianb/control changes)? 10:49
gnomefreakasac: i believe they were building off source i uploaded10:49
gnomefreakif i use -S -sa it doesnt fail. but fails during testing build at patches10:49
asac\sh: main reason for now is that its more efficient to use debian as upstream10:49
gnomefreakhopefully in next hour or 2 i should have it uploaded to revu again as fixed10:51
asacgnomefreak: so you figured out why it fails?10:52
asacif that patch fails to apply your source base appears to be messed up10:52
asace.g. maybe you used from upstream version to build orig.tar.gz10:53
asacwrong upstream version i mean10:53
gnomefreaki used same one i have been using i think10:54
asacthink is probably not good enough :)10:54
gnomefreakits same one10:54
gnomefreakit was released on 2/22 or something like that10:55
gnomefreakthe latest on ftp.mozilla10:55
gnomefreaki thought maybe bad download but i did it 4 times10:55
gnomefreakbut lets see what happens with this build10:56
asacgnomefreak: we had a good tarball once ... what happened to it? why did you actually repack the orig at all?10:56
gnomefreakasac: i used the upstream i had to build from bzr10:57
gnomefreaknot sure why repo source builds and bzr doesnt10:57
asaclook at the contents of the orig tarball10:58
gnomefreakmike never commented on a change since i released mt810:58
asacits messed up10:58
asacyou forgot to move mozilla/* .10:58
asacbefore running source target10:58
gnomefreakoh damn10:58
asace.g. your tarball contains10:58
asacbut it should be just mozilla/10:58
gnomefreakthat could explain it :(10:59
asaci should try to make it easier to setup tarball in future i guess10:59
gnomefreakah wait i remeember why i didnt do that11:00
gnomefreak* debian/*mozilla*: Removed.11:00
gnomefreakthat was mikes last entry in changelog we have11:00
gnomefreakapr. 21st entry11:01
asacgnomefreak: there is nothing in that which would influence how the tarball looks like11:01
asacand actually we don't have that change synched to bzr afaik11:02
gnomefreakit is in changelog  from bzr so i assumed we had that change11:02
asacnot there11:02
gnomefreakno mozillateam one11:02
asacnot there either11:03
asacits just in the debian branch11:03
asacbut we don't have those changes11:03
asacanyway ... even if we would have them it doesn't matter for the orig.tar.gz11:04
asacits just that the mozilla transition package is gone in debian11:04
gnomefreakok let me try it after moving mozilla11:04
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asacit should work11:04
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gnomefreakasac: while your here. installing the nspr and nss -dev packages wanting to remove firefox and friends has now made it to a bug. its a liferea bug. is there anything we can do about that?11:19
gnomefreakasac: bug 9872511:20
ubotuLaunchpad bug 98725 in liferea "[feisty]  liferea crash with undefined symbol PR_NewMonitor" [Medium,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/9872511:20
asacgnomefreak: that bug is something different11:21
asacits not reproducible for some11:21
gnomefreakasac: if you look at it he comments about it11:22
gnomefreakasac: installing libnss3-dev and libnspr4-dev will want to remove the -0d and ffox and friends packages11:22
gnomefreakits fine for us but if someone wants to compile it, to be on safe side they would have to make chroot or lose alot of important packages. one of the comments mentions that in that bug11:24
gnomefreakfairly sure that is the bug11:24
ubotuLaunchpad bug 98725 in liferea "[feisty]  liferea crash with undefined symbol PR_NewMonitor" [Medium,Unconfirmed]  11:26
gnomefreakits backwards the way he put it but either way installing the lib will remove hte -dev installing the -dev will remove alot11:27
asacgnomefreak: we cannot bother for that11:32
asacif they install libnspr4-dev all should be fine11:32
asaconly libnspr-dev and libnss-dev might cause problems?11:33
asacif not it doesn't matter anyway :)11:33
gnomefreakone or other11:33
asacnow that firefox is transitioned it should not happen anyway anymore11:33
gnomefreakinstall either one of them you lose ff and everything else including yelp, evo11:33
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asacyou will loose all apps that have not been respun so far11:34
gnomefreakbug 7527911:34
gnomefreakthat is the main bug that i remember11:34
ubotuLaunchpad bug 75279 in xulrunner "Installing libnspr4-dev removes many packages related to firefox" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/7527911:34
asacthats so old it shouldn't matter anymore11:35
asacand its from xulrunner11:35
gnomefreakill test it later to make sure its gone in gutsy but i think it is still there11:35
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gnomefreakthats one of the reason i have gutsy chroot in a gutsy main sys11:36
asacgnomefreak: if you have up-to-date gutsy firefox should not be removed anymore11:37
asacmaybe evo needs respin11:37
gnomefreakthat bug above has nothing to do with xulrunner though11:37
asacit has11:37
gnomefreakwill test11:37
asaclibnspr4-dev was provided by xulrunner11:37
asacthats why it was filed against xulrunner11:37
asac(see ubotu output)11:37
asaci just closed it11:38
ubotuLaunchpad bug 113091 in nspr "libnspr4-dev broken" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  11:38
gnomefreaknewest one11:38
gnomefreakbut that is u-d package it removes11:38
gnomefreakupdating gutsy chroot (will let you know about this and when i-a is done uploading11:39
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asacall packages that depend on libnspr/libnss need a respin11:39
asactook the bug 11309111:41
ubotuLaunchpad bug 113091 in nspr "libnspr4-dev broken" [Low,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11309111:41
orion2012Is there some way to request that MOTUs review a package on REVU, or should I just shut up and be patient?11:50
gnomefreakorion2012: ask them to please review it and post link with comment11:51
asacgnomefreak: can you please use version to 1.1.1+ubuntu1-1 in mozillateam repo and make it ready for release?11:51
orion2012gnomefreak: in here or on the REVU mailing list?11:51
gnomefreakorion2012: example: can someone please review <link>11:51
gnomefreakorion2012: here11:52
orion2012gnomefreak: thanks11:52
asacgnomefreak: we need a different upstream version as our tarball is not exactly the debian one11:52
gnomefreakasac: for iceape in gutsy?11:52
orion2012Will some additional MOTUs please take a look at gconf-cleaner (http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5103). Thank you.11:52
gnomefreakrespin with that version instead of  iceape_1.1.1-3ubuntu111:53
asacgnomefreak: yeah ... or use 1.1.1+ubuntu1-0ubuntu1 :)11:53
asaci guess we need the latter so no automatic merge is tried11:54
asacaeh sync i mean11:54
gnomefreak2 ubuntu in one version?11:54
asacupstream tarball version is ubuntu specific + package revision is ubuntu so no sync is tried11:54
asacnot sure if the latter is needed11:54
asacbut it won't hurt11:55
gnomefreak1.1.1+ubuntu1-0ubuntu1 == version you want in gutsy?11:55
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asacyes :)11:55
asaci guess noone patches the debian orig tarball :)11:55
gnomefreakok ;)11:56
asacok lets use 1.1.1+u1-0ubuntu1 ... to not make it too confusing11:56
asacjust check the version change to bzr11:57
asaci will upload from there11:57
gnomefreakif i kill my upload would i need its peices removed?11:57
asacno need for revu :)11:57
asacgnomefreak: yes11:57
asacbetter keep it going11:58
gnomefreakrevu == easier tha bzr :) can you take from revu and ill push to bzr little later in afternoon? its still early here11:58
asacdunno ... revu takes ages ... bzr just a few seconds11:59
gnomefreakeither way i have to respin it11:59
asacgnomefreak: no ... just change latest version and push that to bzr ... no respin needed. If things fail i will come back11:59
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pochuasac, gnomefreak: maybe make it a native package? 1.1.1ubuntu1?12:01
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cbx33hey guys....howz it going12:01
asacnative? why that? we have an orig.tar.gz ... though it contains some branding info12:01
pochuah, ok12:01
cbx33I've broken a kde app....I need to change config options....where are they stored?12:01
pochuasac: btw, if your package have a -3ubuntu1, it won't be synced12:02
cbx33I can't load it anymore to get access to said options12:02
asacpochu: yes, but our orig.tar.gz is different12:02
asacfrom debian ones12:03
pochuok :)12:03
asacso orig.tar.gz version should be different12:03
persiaWould anyone mind taking a look at a new freqtweak (http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5141) before I send it to Debian?12:03
pochupersia: if it's going to debian, you may want to change gutsy and -0ubuntu1 in the changelog ;)12:09
asaccbx33: there should be a command line tool to read/write kde settings. maybe ask on some kubuntu channel and let me know :)12:10
persiapochu: Pending Debian changes include 1: Debian version number, 2: upload to unstable, 3: add "New Maintainer (closes: #352540)" to changelog, 4: undo XSBC-Original-Maintainer.  Do you see anything else?12:11
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pochupersia: nothing else :)12:13
persiapochu: Thanks for looking.12:14
pochupersia: have you built it in a sid environment?12:14
persiapochu: I did, but for a prior revision (whist it was still pitting random segments of memory to JACK).  I'll rebuild, and adjust build-deps if required before submission.12:15
pochucool :)12:15
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StevenKpersia: Do you have sponsor that can upload to Debian?12:27
persiaStevenK: ASCIIGirl volunteered to help me steer this one, but I was hoping for a REVU first to reduce her effort.12:27
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gnomefreaksiretart: were you able to find out why i get this? http://revu.tauware.de/lostpw.py?email=gnomefreak@ubuntu.com12:58
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siretartgnomefreak: not yet, I need to look at that this evening (currently too busy)01:09
gnomefreakok thats fine thank you01:09
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gnomefreakis there a meta package for build tools? dput dpatch ....01:23
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fernandomoin all01:26
persiagnomefreak: No.  devscripts is as much as you'll get, but dpatch needs to be in build-depends (and apt-get build-depends...)01:26
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gnomefreakpersia: yeah i know that but you cant apt-get build-dep packages that are not in ubuntu yet01:27
persiagnomefreak: Try installing all the suggests from maint-guide, which might help stick it in your package manager.01:27
Hobbseepersia: seems like you'll get it...01:27
gnomefreakoh i have a list of them i was just wondering if there was one01:27
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gnomefreakpersia: apt-get build-dep package already does that01:28
Hobbseenot if it's not in apt01:28
persiaHobbsee: I have to wait for a certain kiwi to finish traveling :)01:28
gnomefreakHobbsee: right01:28
Hobbseepersia: yeah, hopefully he'll be home soon01:29
StevenKpbuilder has two scripts to do it, too.01:29
Hobbseeelse he'll be beating our record01:29
persiagnomefreak: As you said before, not for packages not yet in Ubuntu01:29
StevenKpersia: Look at /usr/lib/pbuilder/pbuilder-satisfydepends01:29
StevenKAnd on Feisty, /usr/lib/pbuilder/pbuilder-satisfydepends-gdebi01:29
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gnomefreakoh you mean parse the deps on packages in debian that are not yet in ubuntu?01:30
Hobbseegnomefreak: the source package, likely the one being built for ubuntu01:30
persiagnomefreak: That looks good - use the scripts from pbuilder directly.01:31
Hobbseepersia: raises the interesting question of why you're not using a pbuilder, though01:31
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StevenKOr sbuild, at a pinch01:31
persia.me has successfully transitioned from fresh vmware images to sbuild on schroot.01:31
persiaDarn dots!01:31
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StevenKgnomefreak: Huh? pdebuild and be happy01:32
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Hobbseegnomefreak: just use pbuilder.01:35
persiagnomefreak: Using schroot on LVM allows you to automatically toss the results of the build tree once it's compelte, so there's no cleanup.01:35
StevenKI've been meaning to try schroot + LVM01:35
StevenKNow that I have a machine with LVM on root, and 200Gb not allocated.01:36
persiagnomefreak: StevenK: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SbuildLVMHowto is the document I used, http://www.pseudorandom.co.uk/2007/sbuild/ seems a little more updated, although I trust the author of the first.01:36
StevenKpersia: I've been waiting for some spare tuits.01:38
persiaStevenK: I understand.  I put it off for several months after the author patiently explained to me exactly why I should be using the first document :)01:39
persiaStevenK: When I actually did it, the process took about 45 minutes.01:40
StevenKsbuild is a little ... wacky, though.01:40
persiaStevenK: ?01:40
StevenKpersia: sbuild has been around for a while, and it's code is a little interesting. :-)01:41
persiaStevenK: I haven't looked at the sbuild code, but definitely feel more comfortable that I am building locally with the same system used on the buildds (at least for now).01:42
StevenKPersonally, I haven't had much reason to doubt pbuilder.01:42
jussi01good afternon motu's01:42
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persiaStevenK: I've never used pbuilder, so don't really have an opinion about it's suitability.01:43
jussi01Im wondering if there is a list somewhere of things that people would like packaged, bugs maybe? Im looking to be a little useful by packaging something, but i want people to actually want it...01:43
StevenKpersia: It has a base tarball, which is a clean chroot, it is unpacked, chrooted into, build depends installed, package attempted to build, and then cleaned up.01:44
StevenKIn a nutshell.01:44
gnomefreakjussi01: bugs that have tag or title needs-packaging01:44
persiajussi01: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.tag=needs-packaging01:44
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jussi01ok, thanks alot, Im gonna give one of those a go :D01:44
StevenKThere's also cowbuilder, cow being Copy-on-write.01:45
persiaStevenK: That sounds sensible.  I'm not sure I'm ready for another transition of my build & test workflow yet, but perhaps I'll give pbuilder a try next time.  For now, LVM-snapshot leaves me worry free about corruption.01:45
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bluekujaHobbsee, do you have a minute for a merge?01:58
geserHi Hobbsee01:58
Hobbseebluekuja: whihc one?01:59
Hobbseehiya geser 01:59
xxxxx1can someone review?01:59
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superm1hey Hobbsee .  would you be able to follow up with a second review of a package you looked at for me before?  mythbuntu-artwork-usplash, http://revu.tauware.de./details.py?upid=514002:07
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siretartxxxxx1: hi02:15
siretartxxxxx1: I did take a close look at the package, and noticed that there is ongoing work on that package in debian02:15
siretartxxxxx1: I created a bug on it in launchpad and subscribed you02:15
siretartxxxxx1: did you have contact to the guys over there?02:16
xxxxx1. /wind new query siretart hide02:16
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orion2012I've fixed everything the bddebian requested, could someone please take a look at http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5103 ? Thanks.03:02
orion2012err, s/the/that/03:02
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persiaorion2012: http://pastebin.ca/48740403:10
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orion2012persia: thanks.03:11
jussi01Fujitsu: ubuntu-geek is the forum boss... and doenst he own the other one?03:11
persiaorion2012: 2b is probably safer, but breaks some builds (or pulls in undesireable libraries), so you may need 2a.03:11
HobbseeFujitsu: it's forumcrack again03:12
Treenakshmmm... crack03:12
Fujitsujussi01: I still don't really find it appropriate.03:12
FujitsuHobbsee: Well, yes.03:12
orion2012persia: does the manpage dash code apply to the body as well, or only the header?03:13
persiaorion2012: I haven't played with nroff macros in a long, long time, but my memory is that  \( expansions were applied prior to layout, and so should be able to be used equally well in the header or body of the manpage.03:16
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orion2012persia: no strange depends were added and it builds fine, so I'm going with gnome.mk. Thanks.03:28
persiaorion2012: That's probably better.  That way when the gnome hints change in the future, your package will automatically follow the current best practice.03:29
orion2012persia: Uploaded.03:32
persiaorion2012: Now, you'll want to put the new number here, so an actual MOTU might review your package, and perhaps advocate it :)03:32
orion2012MOTUs, please review, it's been updated http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=514303:33
ScottKorion2012: I'm not a MOTU either...  so, FWIW, in /debian/copyright, \ No newline at end of file (I wouldn't do a new upload for this, but put it on your list if you have to) and why is the priority extra?03:37
StevenKPriority is Special.03:37
orion2012ScottK: good question03:37
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orion2012ScottK: vim's not showing a newline at the end of copyright03:38
ScottKorion2012: Yes.  There should be one.03:39
orion2012ScottK: ah, I see. OK03:39
ScottKStevenK: ?03:39
ScottKorion2012: I was just copying what was in the diff as a hint.  Sorry that wasn't clear.03:39
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persiaIs there a policy statement somewhere about newlines?  I see a number of packages without newlines at the end of files, or with ^M before each newline in files.03:40
DarkSun88Hi all03:40
ScottKHi DarkSun8803:42
DarkSun88Hi ScottK :)03:42
ScottKpersia: Dunno, but at the very least it makes for a cleaner diff.03:42
persiaScottK: I agree with that, I was just wondering if I should be fixing those as a matter of course.03:43
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orion2012ScottK: Those have been fixed. So, when you say don't upload but put it on the list, what do you mean?03:44
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ScottKorion2012: I didn't think they were significant enough to warrant a new upload to REVU (your call).03:45
Hobbseepersia: i wouldnt bother with a separate upload for it, or something.  *shrug*03:45
ScottKOTOH, it certainly doesn't hurt to upload it if you've fixed it.03:45
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=== ScottK meant it was worth remembering to fix next time you upload, but not critical you do right now (IMO).
orion2012ScottK: OK, I see. Thanks.03:46
ScottKorion2012: By "Fixed" did you change the priority?03:47
orion2012ScottK: yes, to optional03:47
persiaHobbsee: Certainly not.  If I did that I'd have to do *all* the merges for gutsy+1 :)  I was just wondering if those should be fixed in bugfix uploads, or only if the file was adjusted anyway.  I've been doing the latter to reduce the Debian diff, but I'm more than happy to increase the diff if it is a better match for policy (and I'm creating a diff in any case).03:47
ScottKorion2012: Why was it extra to start with?  I asked why, didn't say change it.03:47
Hobbseepersia: no idea, to be honest03:48
orion2012orion2012: I copied another package's.03:48
ScottKorion2012: If any of the dependencies are extra, then it has to be extra.03:48
persiaHobbsee: I'll stick with "minimize Debian diff" as the driver for that then.03:48
ScottKorion2012: Here's the reference so you can decide which is correct http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-archive.html#s-priorities03:49
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StevenKPersonally, I pick optional, and then change it if needed.03:51
ScottKMakes sense.03:51
StevenKoptional for Priority is a good default unless it conflicts with stuff, at which point I demote it to extra.03:51
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persiaScottK: Thanks for looking.  By the way, did you ever have a chance to check my python changes for gaphor?04:04
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ScottKpersia: Not yet.  It's on my list for this week.  Probably on Wed, but maybe tomorrow.04:04
orion2012If someone files a needs-packaging bug but the package is already in Debian unstable and it builds cleanly unmodified, what's to be done with the bug?04:05
persiaScottK: No rush.  I'm just between efforts right now.  I'll start on another wx2.4-> wx2.6 patch.04:05
ScottKorion2012: I'd mark it fix released with a note that it'll be synced from Debian on the next auto-sync.04:06
persiaorion2012: First check to see if that package appears in the Ubuntu NEW queue (https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy/+queue - search all states), and if not, search for bugs to see if it might have been removed.  If it's neither, the bug should become a sync request at the time of sync freeze.  In either case, consider linking the bug to an RFP or ITP bug in Debian (probably now closed).04:07
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persiaorion2012: Don't mark it "Fix Released" until Ubuntu actually distributes the package.  Some packages are kept out of Ubuntu for various reasons, and it may be inappropriate.04:08
Hobbseepersia: assuming one actually remembers to go back and mark it as fix released, yes04:09
Hobbseeorion2012: which package?04:09
persiaHobbsee: That's why we have bug subscriptions :)04:09
orion2012Not in any gutsy queues.04:09
Hobbseepersia: i get too many bug reports.  it doesnt help when i occasionally send them all to /dev/null04:09
persiaHobbsee: I understand.  In your shoes, I would probably lose track as well.  For lowly contributors like myself though, bug subscriptions are an easy way to track bugs, and make sure they are closed.04:11
Hobbseepersia: true.  i guess i get emails of everything i upload, so tend to be OK04:11
Hobbseeand you're probably contributing more than me, at the moment04:11
persiaHobbsee: Perhaps.  I haven't uploaded anything in about a week and a half, so we might be even.04:12
Hobbseepersia: i've been overseas.  but have uploaded the odd bit of sponsors stuff.  that's a start :P04:14
persiaHobbsee: See, you're already falling back into the rhythm :)04:14
Hobbseethat was while i was overseas04:15
Hobbseewith the supernice connection04:15
Hobbseegot 1.2 mbps, dist-upgrading to gutsy...04:15
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geserHobbsee: move to spain :)04:25
Hobbseegeser: i'd prefer germany.04:25
Hobbseegeser: maybe once i finish my degree04:25
gesergermany is also good04:25
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Treenakshmm, Netherlands :)04:30
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imbrandonoh yea , my interview is out on LR today, w00t04:32
zulohh yer special04:32
siretartwheee, Hobbsee likes germany :)04:32
Hobbseesiretart: from what i saw of it, yeah.04:33
Treenakssiretart: There are enough Germans working on Ubuntu already ;)04:33
Hobbseesiretart: i'm probably looking to move to europe somewhere, preferably in a language that i can speak, or partly speak04:33
Hobbseenot sure when, though04:33
welshbyteimbrandon: sounds like you had a bit of phone trouble, but good interview anyway, man04:33
TreenaksHobbsee: how long before you get your degree?04:33
HobbseeTreenaks: end of next year04:34
imbrandonHobbsee, spain rocks04:34
pochuimbrandon: sure it does :)04:34
imbrandongermany is cool too04:34
Hobbseeimbrandon: i know :)04:34
TreenaksThe Netherlands rocks even more :P04:34
imbrandontooo cold04:34
Treenaksimbrandon: same as Germany, mostly ;)04:34
zulHobbsee: living in the UK the british might have trouble understanding your aussie accent or they might say the convicts are coming back run away :)04:34
pochuWhat about Hawwaii? :)04:35
imbrandontoo expensive04:35
Hobbseezul: haha04:35
zulHawaii is not in europe04:35
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Treenakszul: We had that problem with ajmitch.. I can't tell if he's saying 'cheers' or 'chairs' 04:35
Hobbseesiretart: nm is broken04:35
HobbseeTreenaks: yes.  and axe and ex04:35
zulhah its worse with new zealanders :)04:36
TreenaksHobbsee: well, those concepts are actually related, aren't they? :)04:36
imbrandonsheep ...04:36
pochusiretart: and OOo04:36
siretartHobbsee: did it work as some point? ;)04:36
HobbseeTreenaks: hehe, true04:36
Hobbseesiretart: sure.  in edgy, feisty04:36
siretartserious, this is my desktop machine, no wifi onboard04:36
Hobbseeit loaded, for a start04:36
Hobbseei didnt look much, once i found nm was broken04:36
siretartfsvo working, right04:36
Hobbseeseeing as i upgraded during uds04:36
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TreenaksHobbsee: you have the special l33t European versions of the gutsy packages now04:37
zulimbrandon: they are just ripping into you at the begininngin04:38
HobbseeTreenaks: hehe04:38
imbrandonzul, you should have heard the un-recorded part of the call ;)04:38
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xxxxx1bddebian: \o/04:47
bddebianHeya gang04:48
bddebianHi xxxxx104:48
bluekuja_bddebian, hello barry :)04:48
persiabddebian: Hi.  Also, Thanks.04:48
bddebianHi bluekuja_, persia04:48
bddebianpersia: No, THANK YOU! :-)04:48
bluekuja_bddebian, do you have a minute for a merge?04:49
bddebianNot really at the moment, sorry :-(04:49
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bluekuja_oh ok np :)04:49
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Ash-FoxIs it possible for someone to make a dummy-meta package (like the one done for mozilla-firefox) for libfaad0 to libfaad0-1 -- Debian uses this naming scheme and it would be great if package building would work universally both ways between the two.04:54
geserHi bddebian04:54
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Ash-FoxNaming example on Debian (they provide a dummy-meta package themselves to be compatible with Ubuntu): http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=libfaad&searchon=names&subword=1&version=all&release=all04:54
bddebianHeya geser04:54
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Hobbseepersia: unless it's the network connection going down04:58
Hobbseepersia: which (Remote closed the connection) usually means04:58
persiaHobbsee: Yes, that happens, in which case the investigation continues :)04:58
persiaAsh-Fox: It looks like the new Debian version of libfaad is based on the same source previously used by Ubuntu.  It is very likely that gutsy will include a package much more similar to that currently in Debian unstable.05:03
Ash-FoxThankyou persia :)05:05
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leonelhello motus !05:11
pochuhi leonel05:12
pochuthough I'm not a motu :)05:12
leonelme too..05:12
bddebianHello leonel, pochu05:15
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pochuhi bddebian 05:20
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joejaxxhello motu05:54
pochuslomo: around? can you sponsor a liferea SRU? :) bug 10368805:55
ubotuLaunchpad bug 103688 in liferea "liferea crashes - ** ERROR **: file itemlist.c: line 172 (itemlist_load): assertion failed: (NULL != itemSet)" [Medium,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/10368805:55
bddebianHello joejaxx05:55
lfittljoejaxx, hey :)05:55
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randomwalkeris there a deadline for uploading a new package for it to have a chance of being in gutsy?06:00
pochuThere is, but we are still far from it :)06:00
persiarandomwalker: The deadline is in about a month.  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/REVU has instructions for uploading a package.  Once there, someone will review it and comment.  Once it has been advocated, it will be in the Ubuntu archives.06:00
Hobbseepersia: a month?  that quick?06:01
randomwalkercool, thanks. that's a lot of time06:01
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randomwalkerdumb question: how much effort does it take to go from an rpm to a deb?06:01
pochupersia: isn't it NewPackagesFreezeUniverse at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyReleaseSchedule ?06:01
randomwalkeri know there's alien, but it probably requires more, right?06:01
Hobbseerandomwalker: ubuntu accepts sources06:02
persiapochu: Yes.06:02
pochupersia: then it's in about 3 months :)06:02
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persiarandomwalker: I'm sorry - I was thinking of a different freeze.  You have 3.5 months :)06:02
pochurandomwalker: which package?06:03
randomwalkerpochu: http://www.cs.utexas.edu/~arvindn/gretools/06:03
randomwalkeri wrote it a long time ago06:03
randomwalkernow that ubuntu is sorta going mainstream i thought it might be a good idea to package it06:04
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bddebianSorta going mainstream? Heh06:04
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randomwalkerbddebian: well, isn't it?06:05
bddebianrandomwalker: Well considering Dell is going to start shipping it, I would say it IS mainstream :-)06:09
randomwalkerbddebian: yeah, that's kinda what i meant too06:09
randomwalkerquestion about the gpg key -- will i need to sign emails to upload a package?06:14
persiarandomwalker: No, but you will need to sign the package for the upload to be accepted.  The system needs to know it is from you to trust it.06:14
randomwalkerpersia, yes i understand that, i've done that before. just checking about email because gmail doesn't support gpg06:15
randomwalkerpersia, thanks06:15
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persiarandomwalker: Try FireGPG (http://firegpg.tuxfamily.org/) or the POP/SMTP interface for gmail.06:16
randomwalkerpersia, cool, thanks06:17
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sacaterHey, I am running xubuntu on my laptop, what is the Archive Manager installled by default in ubuntu called?06:41
sacateri need to install :D06:41
pochusacater: nautilus?06:41
randomwalkeris it a bad idea to change the name of a (new) package?06:42
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randomwalkerin the sense, could it cause problems if it has a different name in other distros06:43
pochurandomwalker: change it upstream ;)06:44
randomwalkerpochu: what's that mean?06:44
pochurandomwalker: weren't you the developer?06:45
randomwalkerpochu: yeah06:45
pochurandomwalker: if you change it in the program itself, every other distro should change it :)06:45
randomwalkerpochu: i don't want to do that, that will piss off people who might be already using it06:46
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randomwalkerpochu: besides, i'm not even in touch with the people who packaged it for other distros06:47
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randomwalkeri wish i understood better how this stuff worked06:49
randomwalkerwho controls what and stuff like that06:49
pochurandomwalker: I think it can be changed in a distro, but I don't think it's a good idea06:49
randomwalkerpochu ok06:50
pochurandomwalker: don't you like the name? :)06:50
randomwalkerpochu: its a terrible name06:50
randomwalkerpochu: i really don't even remember how i picked it06:50
randomwalkerpochu: when i posted it on gnomedesktop.org people asked, "cool program, but what's with the name?"06:51
pochuhehe :)06:51
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sacaterpochu: no...07:02
sacaterpochu: just the archiver07:02
sacaterthe one that is there by default07:02
sacaterin accessories07:02
pochufile roller :)07:02
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sacaterpochu: one more month then I get to try for membership07:32
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tuxmaniacDoes the fridge.ubuntu.com/events use some sort of wiki to show the schedule of events?07:59
pochusacater: rock on :)08:00
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sacaterpochu: will do :D08:02
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joejaxxs/should/will be able to/g08:03
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apacheloggerahoy there :)08:08
joejaxxhello 08:09
apacheloggerhttp://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5031 currently does produce a library package which includes 'debian/tmp/usr/lib/libkhalkhi*.so.*' and 'debian/tmp/usr/lib/kde3/khalkhi*'08:09
apacheloggerhowever lintian stats   W: libkhalkhi0: package-name-doesnt-match-sonames libkhalkhicore0 libkhalkhigui008:09
bddebianapachelogger: soname mismatch08:10
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slytherinSeveas: ping08:10
apacheloggerbut what am I supposed with the lib/kde3 files08:10
Seveasslytherin, pong08:10
apacheloggermeaning they don't belong to a libkhalkhicore0 neither to a libkhalkhigui0 package08:10
slytherinSeveas: what is the procedure to get the bug bot on a loco channel.08:10
Seveasslytherin, which channel08:11
bddebianapachelogger: You need to fix the sonames on libkalkhicore0 and libkalkhigui008:11
slytherinSeveas: #ubuntu-in08:11
apacheloggerbddebian: how to?08:11
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bddebianapachelogger: check the soname of the resulting .so files.  use objdump or so08:12
bddebianapachelogger: Like "objdump -x libkhalkhigui0.so |grep SONAME" and see what you get08:14
apachelogger  SONAME      libkhalkhigui.so.008:14
bddebianapachelogger: Check this link out:  http://www.netfort.gr.jp/~dancer/column/libpkg-guide/libpkg-guide.html#sonameapiabi08:16
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geserapachelogger: it warns because the package is named libkhalkhi0 but the lib itself is named libkhalkhicore and libkhalkhigui08:17
bddebianRight, like geser said. :-)08:17
apacheloggerbut what to do with that warning?08:17
bddebianFix it :)08:17
apacheloggerdon't want to :P08:18
apacheloggerbddebian: wouldn't splitting the package fix it?08:18
bddebianThe package name in debian/control should be libkhalkhi no libkhalkhi0 it looks like08:18
geserlibkhalkhi0 is ok if it should ship both libs08:18
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gesersplitting would fix it08:19
geserbut does it makes sense?08:19
gesercan the libs be used independently?08:19
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apacheloggerwell, I suppose, but it isn't done08:19
apacheloggerwould only make sense if someone makes a gnome frontend to khalkhi08:20
apacheloggerbut whether a gnome frontend to a kaddressbook abstraction lib would be usefull is out of question ;-)08:20
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geserthen I would ignore it, it's only a warning08:20
geserwhile looking at the control file: remove libkhalkhi0 (= ${Source-Version}) for khalkhi, ${shlips:Depends} should pick it up08:22
apacheloggerversion is ok for  0.2.2-rc1 ?08:22
geseryes, it's a way to solve it08:23
apacheloggergeser: the khalkhi package is just a meta package since the whole khalkhi suite splits up to quite some packages08:23
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bddebianI still don't see why libkhalkhi0 makes sense08:23
geserthe the real binary should pick up the lib08:23
apacheloggerhm, ok :)08:24
bddebianOh nm, I'm on crack as usual08:25
apacheloggerbddebian: I could also split it up, but that leads to the "where shall I put the lib/kde3 files in?" question08:25
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maxcoderubuntu install with boot manager is not install?08:26
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randomwalkerwhy are so many bugs in launchpad "unconfirmed" even after a number of people have echoed it?08:29
randomwalkerthis one for instance - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-meta/+bug/6354408:30
ubotuLaunchpad bug 63544 in ubuntu-meta "Volume control key controls speaker & not headphones" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  08:30
pochurandomwalker: becouse there are few bug triagers and a lof of bugs08:30
randomwalkerpochu: a bug has to be approved by a triager before it is marked new?08:31
pochurandomwalker: and regarding that bug, because it's in the wrong package!! :)08:31
pochurandomwalker: no, anybody can triage bugs :)08:31
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randomwalkercan you give me a link to how i can get started?08:32
pochusure :)08:33
Hobbseerandomwalker: [04:32]  *** The channel topic is "Ubuntu BugSquad | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad | https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bugs | Documentation: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs | If you have been triaging bugs for a while, please apply to https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-qa/ - http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugsquad | HAPPY UNIVERSE HUG DAY | HAPPY HUG DAY".08:33
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pochuHobbsee: thanks :)08:33
stratusajmitch: howdy? Does MOTU has a sort of ITP list somewhere (malone?) ?08:34
randomwalkerpochu, Hobbsee thanks08:35
geserstratus: there is only a RFP list08:35
Hobbseestratus: yes, search for bugs with a needs-packaging tag08:35
Hobbseei believe08:35
ranf_ stratus bugs tagged with "needs-packaging"08:35
Adri2000https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.tag=needs-packaging :)08:35
apacheloggerHobbsee: anyone on kdenlive yet?08:36
Hobbseeapachelogger: sorry?08:36
stratushm, RFP okay but what if I'm working on a shiny new package that isn't listed there and somebody else is doing the same thing ?08:37
stratuswe both can upload the goodies and waste time? :|08:37
apacheloggerHobbsee: if someone is already workin on a kdenlive package, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/93892 seems so08:37
ubotuLaunchpad bug 93892 in Ubuntu "[needs-packaging]  KDenlive" [Wishlist,In progress]  08:37
ranf_stratus, file a bug early08:37
Hobbseeapachelogger: ask Lutin, he's the one who filed it08:38
stratusranf_: so 'needs-packaging' actually work as both RFP and ITP list, then?08:38
pochustratus: yes08:39
ranf_stratus, I don't really know what the difference between the 2 is.08:39
pochustratus: ITP could be a needs-packaging "In progress" ;)08:39
pochuor assigned08:39
stratuspochu: oh, makes sense.08:39
apacheloggergeser, bddebian: there we go :) http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=514508:39
stratusranf_: ITP is intent to package and RFP is request for package.08:39
stratusranf_: You can RFP something but I can ITP something else, do you see the difference?08:40
stratusranf_: Ubuntu needs-packaging actually condenses both concepts (RFP and ITP).08:40
ranf_stratus, ITP is I do it , RFP is i'd like to have that pkg?08:40
stratusI was reading MOTU wiki articles and identified the sponsors related stuff but failed to see something about needs-packaging and these concepts.08:40
Lutinapachelogger: kdenlive is blocked because of ffmpeg atm08:40
stratusranf_: exactly.08:41
apacheloggerLutin: sad :(08:41
ranf_stratus, ok08:41
stratusranf_: but needs-packaging "in progress" or assigned as pochu pointed out, cover the ITP concept08:41
Lutinapachelogger: yep08:41
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Lutinapachelogger: don't know at all when it'll be ok08:41
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stratusand thanks for the clarification! :)08:43
Lutinapachelogger: lol08:43
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geserstratus: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/Candidates08:49
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stratusgeser: hmm, missing link at: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/New - no?08:52
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geserI see it there under "Request packaging of a new software in Ubuntu"09:01
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stratusgeser: uh, my fail09:03
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DarkSun88geser: Can you so kind to check this bug? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nagat/+bug/9393809:42
ubotuLaunchpad bug 93938 in nagat "[UNMETDEPS]  nagat has unmet dependencies" [Undecided,Fix committed]  09:42
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hendrixskiis this a good channel to ask newbie questions about packaging and packaging tools?09:49
hendrixskior are there channels specifically for that?09:50
geserhendrixski: you are right here09:51
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hendrixskigeser, well, small questions actually...09:51
hendrixskiI have a chroot I created, not with pbuilder, and I was wondering if I can't also use that same one with pbuilder?09:52
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hendrixskior will pbuilder only work on chroots made with pbuilder?09:53
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pochumr_pouit: welcome back :)09:53
mr_pouithi there09:54
mr_pouithi pochu :)09:54
pochuhello :)09:54
pochumr_pouit: btw, scribes was uploaded to Debian, but it was rejected due to the logo being licensed under a CC license (incompatible with the GPL)09:54
pochubut the next release will have a new GPL logo :)09:55
geserhendrixski: pbuilder has an one tar-ed chroot (base.tgz) which gets extracted for every build and removed afterwards (the extracted one)09:55
hendrixskigeser, oooohhh... so it's not an actual chroot, it's a tar of a chroot?09:56
geserI don't know of a way to use an existing chroot with pbuilder, but you can use the chroot still for building (but you have to install the build-deps yourself and cleanup afterwards)09:56
mr_pouitpochu: if the package is ready, you could upload it to ubuntu, and ask for a sync with debian for the next release09:56
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geserhendrixski: yes09:56
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hendrixskigeser, Ok... now I feel silly for spending so much time looking for how to do that .. :-/09:57
hendrixskigeser, another small question if I may :-)09:58
hendrixskipython files don't have a makefile, right? so how does one package them?  I've seen reference to a dh_python, but am confused as to how it all works09:59
geserdh_python is obsolete and should be used in new packages09:59
geserthere is python-support and python-central09:59
hendrixskiwow, good thing I asked10:00
gesersee http://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/python-policy/ for the current python policy10:00
hendrixskisweet 10:00
geserthere is also http://wiki.debian.org/DebianPython/NewPolicy which might help you10:01
hendrixskiwow... there's so much to read and learn when it comes to packaging10:01
hendrixskihow long does it take someone to get reasonably good at it?10:02
geserif your python programm uses distutils (for installing) there is a ready snippet for it10:02
geserit depends on which kind of software you want to package10:03
hendrixskigeser, for now it's just a hello world program.  I guess I should learn distutils first?10:04
gesermany kinds of software have a subpolicy for how to package (library, python, TeX, perl(?), etc.)10:04
hendrixskiEventually, I want to work on MythTV and Democracy TV (possibly even create a plugin that includes dtv into myth)10:04
geserhendrixski: I'm not very familiar with python packaging so I can't tell you if it's good to learn distutils or not10:05
geserafaik the decision to use distutils or not is made by the upstream devs10:06
hendrixskiwow... I just learned more in 3 minutes by asking questions than I did reading about this for a few hours10:07
hendrixskireally puts it in perspective10:07
pochumr_pouit: will it be accepted, even with the logo license issue?10:07
pochumr_pouit: btw, I hope there's a new upstream release soon10:08
pochuand asap it's there, I'll upload to debian :)10:08
pochuand request a sync10:08
hendrixskigeser, so, if there is no dist-utils, then installing it is manually done with commands in debian/rules...? like cp this there rm that etc. etc.>10:09
mr_pouitpochu: iirc, cc licenses aren't an issue for universe... (but I can be wrong)10:09
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geserhendrixski: yes, but it should be described in a README or INSTALL from upstream how to install its sofware10:10
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hendrixskigeser, cool  Thanks.   So I'll go check out the python policy link you sent me.  If I have questions, this is the right channel to come to ask, right?10:11
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hendrixskigeser, thanks again, I'll definitely be hanging around with lots of 'em... gonna help keep Ubuntu in the #1 spot10:15
pochumr_pouit: thanks for the info :) I think that I'll change for a new release, though :)10:16
mr_pouitok ;)10:17
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dothebarthm, debuild -S -sa keeps telling me, my key is not available...10:28
dothebartshsouldn't it ask me for my key password when i call it?10:28
DktrKranzdothebart, use -kyouremailaddres@yourdomain10:28
dothebartnow it tells me that i need a passphrase, but doesn't ask me...10:30
DktrKranzyou have to insert yours10:30
DktrKranzit doesn't show you a seahorse window or some10:30
DktrKranzjust a new line stating to insert your password10:31
dothebartdo i have to pipe it into debuild?10:31
dothebartgpg: [stdin] : clearsign failed: bad passphrase10:32
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DktrKranzdothebart, which version do you have10:33
dothebartthe one that comes with sid10:33
DktrKranzsome are buggy10:33
DktrKranzanyway, use -uc -us10:33
DktrKranzyou can sign it later using debsign10:34
gnomefreakwhy use -kEMAIL why not use -kKEYID10:34
dothebarti've got that GPGKEY in my environment... shouldn't it look at that automagic then?10:35
gnomefreakdpkg-buildpackage -S -sa will use your gpg key without using -k flag10:36
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dothebartah, that pops up a dialog.10:37
gnomefreakthat might be your gnome-keyring dialog10:38
dothebartit now has signed the dsc file, is that what needs to be done?10:39
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gnomefreakonce you enter your gnome-keyring password it should sign the .dsc10:39
gnomefreakdothebart: yep10:39
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dothebartlooking good...10:39
gnomefreakafaik -k flag doesnt handle email addresses10:39
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dothebartthe wiki tells to put pinentry program to set to -gtk-210:40
dothebartif i don't, will it ask on the shell without X?10:41
gnomefreakdothebart: what wiki?10:41
gnomefreakthat will just make it not ask you all the time to enter it10:43
gnomefreakbut only for 24 hours10:43
dothebartbut the -ncurses one, shouldn't that to without X11?10:44
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gnomefreakyes but if you saved your password for your gpg key in gnome-keyring that dialog will always pop up10:45
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gnomefreaktake it out of g-kr and the X dialog should no longer ask you for it10:45
dothebartok, at least i got my two files signed.10:46
dothebartis there a way to call that thang like ssh-add?10:46
dothebartit left me with a prompt that i didn't know what to do with...10:46
gnomefreakthe dialog box?10:46
dothebartthe pinentry program...10:47
gnomefreakoh that i dont know10:47
dothebartisn't that what did that popup?10:47
gnomefreakmaybe that will help10:47
gnomefreakdothebart: i didnt see your popup. was it ncurses or X11?10:48
gnomefreakpinentry == ncurses and g-kr-m == X11 afaik10:48
dothebarthm, thats not what what i was asking... i just wanted a shell prompt, not to use my gpg key for ssh authentication...10:48
dothebarthm, i've installed the gtk one, as the faq told me...10:49
dothebartwell, right now i've got them signed. so let's try to upload them.10:49
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dothebarti don't either...10:50
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freezonehi guys10:56
dothebartah, revu upload works.10:57
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dothebartlooks good. except the mesage 'not running dinstall' but thats ok?10:59
imbrandonhello freezone11:00
imbrandondothebart, thats normal11:00
dothebartah, fine.11:01
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dothebarthm, the wiki tells which credentials to use for revu, but now which protocol to use and which url...11:02
imbrandondput to upload if thats what you mean11:03
dothebartwell, ok, wasn't that hard to figure out, but a link would be nice ;)11:03
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dothebarthm, the password recovery tells me to use the text below, but there is none...11:07
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imbrandonthen likely it hasent registered your upload yet in the DB11:07
imbrandonif it dosent show soon poke siretart when he is non-afk11:08
dothebarthow long could that take?11:09
dothebartas its .de, does it run and print its time in german timezone?11:09
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dothebartthe latest upload, dvgrab, is 11 hours ago...11:10
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ScottKkeescook: Did you get the squirrelmail situation sorted?11:15
keescookScottK: I think I understand what's needed, but I haven't uploaded the diffs yet.  (Has anyone tested them on feisty yet?)11:15
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ScottKkeescook: Good.  IIRC, leonel (who made the diff) built and tested it on Feisty.11:16
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keescookokay, cool.  I will get it built up.  :)11:18
ScottKkeescook: He also said he was going to do updates for Edgy and Dapper, but they have other security issues outstanding too, so be prepared for a largish diff on those.11:20
geserdothebart:  Please note, all times on this page are in UTC-4.11:20
geserfrom the revu homepage11:20
dothebartgeser: which city would that be?11:21
dothebarthm. ok, too late to calc here... i'm in EST / GMT +2, whats the offset?11:24
keescookScottK: okay, great.11:24
DktrKranzdothebart, I think +611:24
dothebarthm, so 15 o clock will be 21, so its 2 hours ago.11:25
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xxxxx1bye all!11:27
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TheMusoHey all.12:08
FujitsuHi TheMuso.12:08
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