[01:06] <atarinox> this may like a strange bug....but after upgrading to feisty I can ONLY connect to unsecured networks w/ my wireless card (RTL8180 chipset). Another strange bug is that I have to add a junk character to the end of the ESSID of the secure network to connect....does it sound like the two are related? I can add a junk character to the ESSID of an unsecure network, but it still won't work.
[01:06] <atarinox> err....can only connect to SECURE wifi networks
[01:26] <W8TAH> whats the current thinking on pidgin with xubuntu -- is it stable enough to build from source?
[02:08] <dyoung_> Ay everyone!
[02:08] <dyoung_> Who wants to massage a noobie?
[02:09] <dyoung_> ...
[02:30] <kalikiana> dyoung_, That's a strange question. For a massage I would recommend a wellness center. ;)
[02:30] <dyoung_> Haha thanks
[02:35] <dyoung_> When installing, Xubuntu, how can
[02:35] <dyoung_> I force acpi
[02:36] <kalikiana> There ought to be a boot option, but I odn't know it by heart.
[02:36] <kalikiana> *don't
[02:39] <dyoung_> acpi=force
[02:39] <dyoung_> I just don't know where to type it in the boot options
[02:41] <miyako> hmm, I somehow made xfce unable to start up, I had been running beryl, and my window decorations died, so I killed beryl and beryl manager, and relaunched beryl-manger, but I didn't have the status icon, so I killed it and logged out of xfce and tried to log back in, and now xfce won't start at all, anyone have any ideas?
[02:41] <mads-> I'm about to download xubuntu. Do I want to download 6.10 or 7.04?
[02:42] <kalikiana> mads-, I would say you probably want 7.04 except you should encounter one of a few hardware issues.
[02:42] <miyako> mads-: 7.04 would be the newest version
[02:42] <kalikiana> For example with wireless lan.
[02:43] <mads-> I know 7.04 is the newest... Just haven't tried it out yet (I'm using normal ubuntu right now). But I have heard it contains some errors :S
[02:44] <kalikiana> mads-, It mostly works perfectly imho. But you *may* encounter specific problems which really depend on your system.
[02:44] <zials> can always test it out with a CD :3
[02:45] <miyako> well, the problem was with my configuration
[02:45] <miyako> I moved ~/.config/xfce4 to ~/.config/xfce4.bak and it seems to start fine now
[02:46] <miyako> the only thing I changed was the theme, is there any known issue with that, or shall I investigate further and file a bug report?
[02:49] <kalikiana> miyako, I did not hear from a theme preventing xfce from starting before. You should look for a bug or file one indeed.
[02:51] <miyako> kalikiana: yeah, even now for some reason I'm not getting window decorations without beryl now
[02:51] <miyako> although I did remember that I also changed orage to start automaticall
[02:52] <miyako> that is possible the source of the problem as well
[02:56] <neozen> meep
[02:56] <kalikiana> miyako, When the decorations are missing, make sure that xfwm4 is running.
[02:57] <kalikiana> hi neozen
[02:57] <neozen> hoallo there
[02:57] <miyako> kalikiana: yeah, it wasn't but it's all good, I'm using beryl now
[02:57] <miyako> hmm, I wonder if using beryl kinda undoes the benefits of having a lightweight desktop in the first place
[02:58] <kalikiana> miyako, As long as you are fine with it, it's okay. Many people are using xfce with kde and gnome programs - that's not any better.
[02:59] <neozen> lol.....
[02:59] <miyako> kalikiana: yeah, I'm doing that as well, I have a powerful enough system, I just think XFCE looks a little nicer than gnome
[03:01] <kalikiana> miyako, In my opinion the overall user interface concept in XFCE is way better than the alternatives. And I don't use XFCE on low hardware (3GHz, 1GB).
[03:02] <miyako> kalikiana: yeah, I think that I might agree, although I haven't used it extensively
[03:03] <miyako> I also quite like aspects of Enlightenment, but I can't use compiz or beryl with it, so no dice
[03:04] <kalikiana> miyako, You should try the macmenubar if you like unusual interfaces. ;)
[03:04] <miyako> hmm, is there a package for it?
[03:04] <miyako> I keep hoping that kibadock will get some stability, it's nice but really slow atm
[03:05] <miyako> I like the dock concept
[03:05] <miyako> I hate everything else about OS X
[03:05] <miyako> but I do like the dock lol
[03:06] <kalikiana> Nope, you will need to compile GTK+ to use the menubar. I actually like the concept of one global menubar which reduces the needed space on individual windows.
[03:06] <miyako> ah, I actually find that kind of irksome
[03:26] <mads-> Does KDE things, like KDevelop, work under xfce?
[03:27] <crimsun> sure.  Just use a package manager to install kdevelop.
[03:27] <crimsun> that will ensure that necessary dependencies are installed.
[03:27] <mads-> cool :)
[03:27] <mads-> thanks
[03:36] <fryguy101> Okay, last resort here. I've accidentally somehow killed both panels I had setup with the xfce panel, I've gone into settings manager and tryed to restore it through the panel manager, but it won't load. Any ideas?
[03:37] <kalikiana> fryguy101, Are the panels just 'missing'. Then run 'xfce4-panel' to bring them back.
[03:39] <fryguy101> Aha. Duh, so simple. I feel rather silly now./
[03:41] <neozen> fryguy101: no worry mon ... you'll pick it up
[03:44] <neozen> so how's xubuntu feisty treating you all?
[03:44] <neozen> beryl working well?
[03:45] <fryguy101> The computer I've got it running on is quite old. Not getting much in the way of eye candy, sadly.
[03:45] <fryguy101> But it was also a free computer, so I can't complain.
[03:51] <miyako> hmm, I want to play Oblivion, but if I start playing it I'll never get around to packing
[04:00] <esmier> join/#unofficial
[04:00] <esmier> ?
[04:02] <esmier> join/#unofficial
[04:02] <esmier> join/ #unoffical
[04:08] <neozen> heh... esmier I think you mean /join #unofficial
[06:03] <FrozenDawn> hello there
[06:03] <aboyousif> FrozenDawn, hello :)
[06:04] <FrozenDawn> ^^
[06:04] <FrozenDawn> Could you help me ? I cannot find the hardware requirements for xubuntu 7.04 ...
[06:05] <aboyousif> FrozenDawn, sure
[06:06] <aboyousif> FrozenDawn, http://www.xubuntu.com/get#requirements
[06:06] <FrozenDawn> oops
[06:06] <FrozenDawn> well, thanks !
[06:07] <aboyousif> FrozenDawn, you are welcome :)
[06:09] <FrozenDawn> seems i got machine for it ...
[06:09] <FrozenDawn> but i think i'll go with the alternate just to be sure
[06:10] <FrozenDawn> btw, can I configure it ot have a start menu and a taskbar somewhat like windows
[06:10] <FrozenDawn> (it's for my mom's computer ...)
[06:10] <aboyousif> FrozenDawn, sure ..
[06:11] <FrozenDawn> well then, I am off to try it. Thanks again (love the ubuntu comunity !)
[06:16] <FrozenDawn> here to bother you guys again ...
[06:16] <FrozenDawn> i tryed to download an torrent, but I was redirected to an normal .iso file ...
[06:25] <FrozenDawn> ok ... I'll assume they switched back to normal download ... byes again
[07:04] <T`> does anyone have networkmanager working in ubuntu feisty?
[07:07] <Catoptromancy> like network settings?
[08:22] <shroomsky> hello
[08:22] <shroomsky> i need help with hard drive detection
[08:22] <shroomsky> i just switched to ubuntu and reformatted my c drive
[08:22] <shroomsky> all my back-up files is in my d drive
[08:22] <shroomsky> problem is, xubuntu cant detect my d drive
[08:23] <shroomsky> does it have something to do with it being FAT32?
[08:23] <TheSheep> shroomsky: what do you see when you type 'sudo fdisk -l' in terminal?
[08:24] <shroomsky> hda and b
[08:24] <shroomsky> w95 fat32 system
[08:24] <shroomsky> for my hdb
[08:25] <TheSheep> shroomsky: that'd be your d: drive
[08:25] <shroomsky> how do i access into it though through the GUI interface?
[08:26] <TheSheep> !fstab | shroomsky
[08:26] <ubotu> shroomsky: The /etc/fstab file indicates how drive partitions are to be used or otherwise integrated into the file system. See http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/fstab.html and !Partitions
[08:26] <shroomsky> sorry for the silly question, this is my first time using a linux system
[08:26] <TheSheep> shroomsky: well, that link should get you started, if it doesn't help, ask
[08:26] <shroomsky> it says, permission denied
[08:27] <TheSheep> ?
[08:27] <shroomsky> when i type in /etc/fstab into the terminal
[08:28] <TheSheep> shroomsky: read http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/fstab.html :)
[08:28] <shroomsky> ok thanks
[08:33] <shroomsky> ok now i get the mounting part
[08:33] <shroomsky> however terminal said that only Root can do that when i want to mount hdb
[08:39] <Myrtti> use sudo, luke
[08:40] <TheSheep> !sudo | shroomsky
[08:40] <ubotu> shroomsky: sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[08:43] <Rich_li_ny> How do you set up a VPN connection In Xubuntu?
[08:44] <Rich_li_ny> I dont see a screen where I can just click and add one.. and then use it at will whenever it is necessary.
[08:45] <Myrtti> pptpconfig is the closest bet when/if you don't have networkmanager and the applet installed
[09:01] <shroomsky> using fstab, how do i add a harddrive that wasnt detected?
[09:01] <shroomsky> in sudo fdisk -l its listed as /dev/hdb1
[09:02] <shroomsky> in the fstab editor its not there
[09:02] <shroomsky> what exactly do i write?
[09:06] <TheSheep> shroomsky: /dev/hdb1   /media/windows   vfat   user,fmask=0111,dmask=0000,utf8   0   0
[09:06] <TheSheep> shroomsky: in one line
[09:06] <TheSheep> shroomsky: make sure you create the /media/windows directory
[09:06] <TheSheep> actually, there is a better howto
[09:06] <TheSheep> !fat | shroomsky
[09:07] <ubotu> shroomsky: To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions - See also !fuse
[09:07] <shroomsky> cool
[09:09] <shroomsky> /media wont let me create a new folder
[09:09] <TheSheep> shroomsky: sudo Thunar
[09:09] <Myrtti> TheSheep: gksudo ;-)
[09:10] <TheSheep> Myrtti: gksu
[09:14] <shroomsky> holy crap
[09:14] <shroomsky> it worked guys
[09:14] <shroomsky> thaks!
[09:15] <shroomsky> *thanks
[10:28] <Gerro> sup
[11:11] <deniz_ogut> Hi. Xubuntu Feisty here. Is there a way to change xubuntu so that desktop icons are activated with a single click rather than double click? I have setup thunar for single click but it doesn't affect the Desktop itself.
[11:12] <deniz_ogut> !single click
[11:12] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about single click - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:13] <deniz_ogut> !single-click
[11:13] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about single-click - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:13] <TheSheep> deniz_ogut: no
[11:14] <deniz_ogut> TheSheep: Should I get this no as "There's no way to do it"?
[11:14] <TheSheep> deniz_ogut: yes
[11:14] <deniz_ogut> TheSheep: Thank you.
[12:39] <archangelpetro> TheSheep, have you seen anything of max revently?
[01:38] <kalikiana_> archangelpetro, Want a test version of the webkit browser?
[02:14] <W8TAH> good morning everyone --  I am trying to locate the menu that shows up when you click the applications button -- i want to look at the file to find out were an icon that i want to use on the tool bar is
[02:18] <TheSheep> archangelpetro: what do you mean?
[02:18] <TheSheep> W8TAH: the menus are generated automatically from files in /usr/share/applications/
[02:18] <W8TAH> ok thanks
[03:30] <archangelpetro> kali|away, yes please :)
[03:31] <archangelpetro> TheSheep, i was just wondering if you'd seen maxamillion (aint seen him in awhile)
[03:31] <TheSheep> aah, sorry
[03:31] <TheSheep> archangelpetro: I think he has finals
[03:31] <archangelpetro> ah
[03:31] <archangelpetro> same for me too :P
[03:31] <archangelpetro> i have my first exam on weds
[03:32] <TheSheep> kali|away: me too! :)
[03:36] <kalikiana> archangelpetro, TheSheep , Look here: http://software.twotoasts.de?page=midori (Be ware that it's instable ;))
[03:36] <archangelpetro> :)
[03:36] <archangelpetro> merci
[03:37] <kalikiana> http://img147.imageshack.us/my.php?image=midoriez9.png :)
[03:45] <archangelpetro_> bleh
[03:45] <archangelpetro_> kalikiana, can i pm u?
[03:45] <kalikiana> archangelpetro_, Yep.
[03:46] <archangelpetro_> how would i point to them?
[03:47] <kalikiana> archangelpetro_, ?
[03:47] <archangelpetro_> check msg :)
[03:47] <archangelpetro_> sorry
[03:48] <archangelpetro_> half wrote it here too
[03:50] <TheSheep> kalikiana: you beat me again :)
[03:51] <TheSheep> kalikiana: you want a polish translation? :)
[03:52] <kalikiana> TheSheep, Translations can wait until a later version, but then I should be glad to have Polish. :)
[03:52] <archangelpetro_> get it now kalikiana ?
[03:52] <kalikiana> archangelpetro_, Nope. Are you identified to freenode?
[03:52] <TheSheep> kalikiana: then I can only offer testing and code review
[03:53] <archangelpetro_> it would appear not atm
[03:53] <kalikiana> TheSheep, Testing is appreciated as well of course. :)
[03:54] <archangelpetro> there you go :)
[03:56] <lokiyo> hello
[03:56] <kalikiana> hi lokiyo
[04:56] <nopcode> hey
[04:56] <nopcode> whats the recommended way to install nvidia beta drivers?
[04:56] <nopcode> i think envy doesnt offer to install them?
[04:58] <TheSheep> !nvidia | nopcode
[04:58] <ubotu> nopcode: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[04:58] <TheSheep> nopcode: but obviously the beta drivers are not recommended
[04:59] <nopcode> that doesnt seem to mention beta drivers
[04:59] <nopcode> well i'm an opengl developer, so i need geometry shaders
[04:59] <nopcode> the non-beta drivers dont have these.
[05:00] <VxJasonxV> hmm, how interesting
[05:01] <VxJasonxV> I don't have any panels anymore :(
[05:02] <zeptit> Installed xubuntu on my laptop, but dosnt seem to be able to connect to my wlan, anyone got some tips or able to help me with that?
[05:02] <TheSheep> !wifi | zeptit
[05:02] <ubotu> zeptit: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[05:02] <TheSheep> nopcode: it mentions how to install the drivers from the nvidia page -- that's what you need
[05:02] <zeptit> thanks
[05:03] <TheSheep> VxJasonxV: press alt+f2 and type 'xfce4-panel'
[05:03] <TheSheep> VxJasonxV: without the '
[05:03] <VxJasonxV> aha
[05:03] <VxJasonxV> I must have nuked it from my autostarted applications :/
[05:03] <VxJasonxV> I couldn't remember the panel app name for the life of me
[05:03] <VxJasonxV> thanks :)
[05:04] <VxJasonxV> I'm assuming, since it didn't auto start, I should go add it to the 'Autostarted Applications', yes?
[05:05] <TheSheep> VxJasonxV:no, just save sessin when logging out
[05:05] <nopcode> TheSheep: well i know how to run the nvidia installer
[05:05] <nopcode> TheSheep: thats trivial
[05:06] <nopcode> but this guide wont give me a package afterwards
[05:06] <TheSheep> nopcode: you need the kernel headers
[05:06] <nopcode> well i've built my own kernel so i guess i'll have headers
[05:06] <TheSheep> nopcode: well, you can try and make a package with checkinstall
[05:06] <nopcode> somewhere in /usr/src
[05:06] <nopcode> well i'll just run the installer
[05:06] <nopcode> i guess it'll work
[05:07] <VxJasonxV> I always do :/
[05:07] <nopcode> hm
[05:07] <nopcode> btw where should the kernel headers be=?
[05:07] <nopcode> i've built a kernel package manually and installed it
[05:07] <nopcode> is that enough?
[05:07] <TheSheep> nopcode: in /usr/include or /usr/src I presume
[05:08] <TheSheep> nopcode: yes, it should be enough
[05:08] <nopcode> ok brb
[05:08] <TheSheep> nopcode: if not, you can give the path to the headers as a parameter to the installer
[05:10] <nopcode> GL_NV_geometry_shader4
[05:10] <nopcode> yeah baby
[05:10] <nopcode> thanks :)
[05:10] <nopcode> well i should've figured nvidia would spend some effort to ensure ubuntu compatibility
[05:10] <nopcode> of their installer
[05:27] <lysergide> Hey i got some problem with starting wine . When i execute "wt" the following error comes /usr/local/winetools/Xdialog: error while loading shared libraries: libgtk-1.2.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[05:27] <lysergide> Anyone know a solution for this issue ?
[05:28] <TheSheep> lysergide: use the wine from the repositories, you have some weird binaries compiled with wrong versions of libraries
[05:29] <lysergide> TheSheep dont rly know how to do that
[05:53] <xjdriver69> exit
[06:23] <mads-> Is it possible to install xubuntu without use of cd? :)
[06:25] <Pumpernickel> !install | mads-
[06:25] <ubotu> mads-: Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues - See also !automate
[06:29] <mads-> danks..
[06:40] <mads-> Hmm.. Is it possible to make a USB / network install?
[06:40] <mads-> I have no floppy drive. I have a usb with 512 MB and a local server
[06:43] <scur> mads-, do you have a cd drive?
[06:43] <mads-> yep..
[06:44] <scur> i know it's not really answering your question, but if you can boot from the cd then you can install xubuntu - just download the cd image
[06:45] <mads-> (18:23:07) (mads-) Is it possible to install xubuntu without use of cd? :) <--
[06:45] <mads-> I don't have any empty cd's
[06:45] <scur> ah, sorry
[06:45] <mads-> :) No biggy.. Could be funny if that was the answer though :)
[06:48] <scur> it is possible, but not as simple as using the cd :)
[06:49] <scur> mads-, take a look at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=28948 and http://marc.herbert.free.fr/linux/win2linstall.html
[06:50] <scur> you should be able to replace "ubuntu" with "xubuntu" throughout, or just install ubuntu and then run "sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop"
[06:50] <mads-> thanks :)
[07:59] <dk_2> whats the wmaster0? I now have that instead of eth1 on my wireless card after upgrading to feisty and now I can't connect to my access point. reinstalled with edgy xubuntu instead for now
[08:00] <fabianruch> bye
[08:24] <maxcoder> hi
[08:24] <maxcoder> ubuntu install with boot manager is not install
[08:24] <maxcoder> ?
[08:24] <maxcoder> which?
[08:24] <maxcoder> prblem
[08:25] <maxcoder> problem?
[08:34] <Myrtti> eehhh?
[08:37] <Pumpernickel> maxcoder: Ubuntu has localized support.  If you're more comfortable in a different language, there's most likely a channel dedicated to support in that language.
[09:01] <danny> Hey! I was wondering if anyone could help me with an X issue.
[09:02] <danny> I've tried playing with my xorg configuration file but I'm not having much luck.
[09:03] <danny> Well, if anyone has a second it would be cool. I think I'll go try #ubuntu really quick. Seems a bit more active.
[09:04] <Pumpernickel> You haven't said what the problem is.
[09:09] <scur> danny, what is the issue?
[09:10] <darrend> (he's probably swamped by the noise in #ubuntu now)
[09:10] <darrend> :)
[09:11] <danny> I was :-)
[09:11] <danny> Yeah, sorry about that. I'll spit it out now.
[09:12] <danny> So my screen is split. About 75% up top is normal and the bottom quarter or so is a copy of what happens up top. I can see my mouse down there and what not. I don't know too much about how to fix Xorg issues.
[09:12] <danny> And the right side looks like dead space. It seems normal when you look at it but if you toss a window over there or your mouse everything goes crazy.
[09:13] <danny> I don't mean to be vague I'm just not sure how else to describe it.
[09:13] <darrend> sounds like your monitor can't handle the resolution or the refresh rate
[09:13] <darrend> seen that happen on projectors but not so much on normal monitors
[09:13] <darrend> what kind of monitor do you have?
[09:13] <danny> Well this is an odd monitor. I picked up the computer for free (nice deal). It's a Sony LCD display.
[09:14] <danny> Not sure of the model number.
[09:14] <darrend> size screen?
[09:15] <danny> PCVA-15QA1, I'm actually not sure what the screen size is. It's odd. I think the max resolution is 1280x960.
[09:15] <danny> Just checked the bottom for the model number.
[09:15] <darrend> do you find this monitor works with other computers?  Have you tried?  - I mean it could be defunct hardware.
[09:15] <danny> Na, I don't have any other computers with an input like this one has. It's not standard VGA.
[09:16] <danny> Some odd proprietary Sony thing I would imagine.
[09:16] <darrend> I'd be surprised.. sure it's not DVI?
[09:16] <danny> The thing is it worked for a while. Works fine in Windows. Worked fine at 1024x768 under FreeBSD.
[09:16] <danny> Could be. I'm not too familiar with DVI.
[09:17] <danny> See, I dropped the resolution back to 1024x768. When I set it at 1280x960 I get an error about memory. I checked the xorg log for traces of that error but I'm not seeing it. I probably grepped in a vague way.
[09:18] <danny> It states that it needs at least 4800kb of memory and I only have 4096 I believe.
[09:18] <danny> It doesn't make sense though because I had it working at 1280x960 a while back. I was running Debian.
[09:18] <scur> sounds like the graphics card rather than the monitor to me
[09:18] <darrend> grep your xorg log for "EE"
[09:18] <danny> Yeah, I was leaning there a little bit.
[09:18] <scur> you haven't had this problem with any other OS with the same gfx card and monitor?
[09:19] <darrend> errors are marked in there with (EE) and warnings with (WW)
[09:19] <danny> Hmm, interesting.
[09:19] <danny> Thanks for that. I'll keep it in mind.
[09:19] <danny> daniel@ubox:~$ cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | grep EE
[09:19] <danny>         (WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown.
[09:19] <danny> (II) Loading extension MIT-SCREEN-SAVER
[09:19] <danny> daniel@ubox:~$
[09:20] <danny> That does not quite seem like what we would be expecting.
[09:20] <danny> :-)
[09:20] <darrend> (brb)
[09:20] <danny> Alright.
[09:20] <scur> hmm... you say it worked under debian? do you remember if that was with Xorg or XFree86?
[09:21] <danny> I'm actually not quite sure. It was Debian Etch testing, I could Google it.
[09:21] <danny> Good call though. That may be it.
[09:22] <scur> it sounds like the graphics card to me, it's odd for a monitor to stop working like that.
[09:22] <danny> Looks like unstable is using X.org now.
[09:22] <danny> So it probably wasn't XF86
[09:22] <scur> check you're using the right driver for your card
[09:22] <scur> hmmm, funny that it worked in debian and not ubuntu then
[09:22] <danny> Well that's the odd thing. It won't work under Debian anymore.
[09:23] <danny> I tried the installation a week or two later and it gives me the same error.
[09:23] <scur> ah
[09:23] <danny> And I'll check the drivers soon.
[09:23] <scur> tried any other operating systems?
[09:24] <danny> Yeah, I had Gentoo working with it a while back.
[09:24] <danny> I'm sort of a distro whore, I havn't quite settled on one yet.
[09:24] <scur> fair enough
[09:24] <danny> FreeBSD worked well at 1024x768. Didn't play it with it at 1280x960.
[09:24] <danny> So no issues there.
[09:25] <scur> my graphics card gave me similar problems a while back as the hardware was on the way out, and i had to replace it in the end
[09:25] <danny> Yeah, well in the end it isn't a big deal.
[09:25] <scur> but that was obviously a h/w problem as it happened under different OS's
[09:25] <danny> Yeah.
[09:25] <scur> well, must be pretty annoying only having half a screen :)
[09:25] <danny> It's interesting.
[09:26] <scur> i'd try running it with a differant driver (e.g. nvidia instead of nv), but not sure what else to suggest
[09:27] <danny> Yeah, I will. Don't worry about it, this gives me a place to start.
[09:27] <danny> I'll probably have it working in a day or two.
[09:28] <danny> Just wish I wasn't so busy, it's nice to sit down to spend a few hours tweaking.
[09:31] <danny> Well, that's nice. Xorg -configure does detect the displays model number.
[09:32] <danny> And it looks like it's using the right card driver but I'm not sure.
[09:32] <danny> I mean I'm pretty sure it's SiS.
[09:33] <Lectus> Hello! I'm using Ubuntu, but I'd like to try Xubuntu as they say it's lighter. But does it have the same applications / functionality? Will it run Gnome or KDE applications? Why they don't ship Xubuntu CD's as they do with Ubuntu and Kubuntu? I'm quite a new Linux user, so sorry for the lots of questions. Thanks!
[09:34] <scur> Hi Lectus, yep, installing xubuntu just gives you a different desktop, all your gnome and kde apps will run fine
[09:35] <scur> Gnome actually uses a system called GTK that's also used by xubuntu, so the look and feel is quite similar - xubuntu is just more lightweight
[09:35] <danny> Yup, I will even ship you a Xubuntu cd if it means that much to you. :-)
[09:36] <scur> just install xubuntu-desktop and you can give it a go - if you don't like it you can always go back.
[09:36] <danny> Couldn't be easier.
[09:38] <Lectus> Thanks danny, but I was just asking because Ubuntu and Kubuntu both have the ship-it. I'm already downloading the Xubuntu ISO, I'm going to give it a try. I really prefer to try the live CD and if I like it I will do a clean install. Ubuntu is really fine for me, but I'm just curious about Xubuntu. Also, I'll try to to revive an old PC with Xubuntu! :D
[09:39] <danny> :-) You're welcome and I would recommend not installing anything from a cd that some random guy on IRC sends you.
[09:39] <danny> I hope you enjoy it.
[09:40] <danny> I would imagine they don't ship the cd's because they are not part of the Ubuntu team. Just some people who though "Hey, this could be better!" and work with it. I could be wrong though.
[09:40] <danny> Feel free to correct me.
[09:40] <danny> *thought
[09:42] <Lectus> I have some doubt. I see lots of people talking about Ubuntu, but they talk a lot less about Kubuntu or Xubuntu. Does that mean they have less support or they are just Ubuntu with different desktop manager / default set of applications?
[09:43] <danny> Someone else might want to take this. I have my thoughts but it's definitely not my place to talk.
[09:44] <danny> Xubuntu would use, as far as I know, the same apt repositories as Ubuntu meaning applications, security updates and the like would all be there.
[09:44] <Lectus> So, Xubuntu has synaptic too?
[09:44] <danny> It looks that way.
[09:45] <danny> daniel@ubox:~$ ls /usr/sbin|grep synaptic
[09:45] <danny> synaptic
[09:45] <danny> daniel@ubox:~$
[09:48] <danny> What sort of computer are you trying to revive?
[09:49] <danny> Older box I would imagine?
[09:49] <scur> Lectus, the desktop manager is the only real difference (i belive they also have different default e-mail clients and word processors, but that doesn't stop you installing the other). For the vast majority of cases, an xubuntu problem is also an ubuntu problem, so it's often easier to find support there (as more people use it)
[09:50] <Lectus> Cool! I'll give Xubuntu a try. I like this desktop choice from the same base. Lots of freedom to choose.
[09:51] <Lectus> I'm planning on installing on this one I'm running Ubuntu if I like Xubuntu better. And plus, I would try to install on a Celeron 700Mhz with 128MB RAM.
[09:51] <scur> yep, and you can have more than one in the same installation. i installed an ubuntu cd, and then installed xubuntu-desktop and kubuntu-desktop
[09:51] <scur> i just chose which desktop manager i want when i log in (and it's always xfce from xubunut as that's my favourite)
[09:52] <danny> Ah, that box is a beauty compared to my old laptop. I used that thing as my main desktop for years. 360mhz of Intel goodness.
[09:52] <danny> Well, my main box.
[09:52] <Lectus> Yes, I think Xubuntu will do better on old PCs than Win98 (crashes too much)
[09:52] <danny> Probably a safe bet.
[09:53] <scur> it is pretty lightweight.
[09:53] <Lectus> I also like maximum performance instead of fancy GUIs, so I might try Xubuntu on this PC as well.
[09:53] <scur> but i'm running it on a dual screen 2ghz box, so it does work on newer things as well :)
[09:54] <Lectus> and Xubuntu still looks beautifull from screenshots
[09:54] <Lectus> so, i'm really curious about it :D
[09:56] <danny> I'm sure you'll love it.
[09:57] <danny> Hey scure, darrend, thanks a lot for the help. I'm off to work.
[09:57] <danny> Peace.
[09:57] <danny> Good luck Lectus, enjoy.
[09:57] <Lectus> Thanks for the info.
[09:58] <Lectus> I'm going away now. I'll wait for the download to complete and I'll be back later saying what was my feeling about Xubuntu.
[09:58] <danny> No problem. Later.
[10:16] <darrend> grrr
[10:17] <darrend> is anyone successfully getting beryl-manager to restart as part of the normal xfce session?
[10:19] <darrend> I only seem able to get it to restart if I add it to the "autostarted applications" config, which means that when I logout/in all my application windows stack up in the top left corner of the screen until finally the window manager gets loaded
[10:19] <darrend> tres annoying
[10:38] <Teshadael> If my system doesn't handle X compositing very well, is it safe to assume beryl won't run very good?
[10:39] <scur> in my experience, if your system is in any way out the ordinary beryl won't run very good... but i haven't tried it for a while :)
[10:42] <cjae> ok what are other good linux networks or ones that deal with open source besides freenode
[10:49] <mads-> I just installed xubuntu in my normal ubuntu. When I load it wont connect to the internet, and my keyboard is now english instead of danish... What have I done wrong?
[10:50] <mads-> I just did a "sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop"
[10:52] <mads-> anyone?
[11:18] <Lectus> is it possible to have the desktop 3D effect in xubuntu?
[11:19] <Lectus> will it also run faster/lighter?
[11:26] <crimsun> no.
[11:26] <crimsun> to the latter.
[11:26] <crimsun> yes, it's possible, but currently it still pulls in the gnome bits.
[11:35] <Cannon_Ball> hi everybody
[11:35] <Cannon_Ball> i'm looking for help on a problem using the W32codecs
[11:36] <Cannon_Ball> is there anyone able to provide ideas?
[11:36] <Jester45> i  can try
[11:36] <Cannon_Ball> hi jester, thank you
[11:37] <Cannon_Ball> basically I have xubuntu, no special issues. I use a notebook Acer Travelmate 505 with a Neomagic graphcard
[11:37] <Cannon_Ball> I installed the w32codecs from medibuntu
[11:38] <Cannon_Ball> but when I try to open a wmv file I inherited from my previous M$ OS Gxine just shuts off
[11:38] <Jester45> does xine need w32codecs?
[11:39] <Cannon_Ball> I tried with VLC as well, same behavior. Instead Xfmedia shows a blue screen
[11:39] <crimsun> no, xine doesn't.
[11:39] <crimsun> is libxine1-ffmpeg installed?
[11:39] <Cannon_Ball> I don't know, one second and I check
[11:39] <Cannon_Ball> hi Crimsun, thanks for your help
[11:40] <Jester45> crimsun: thats what i was thinking
[11:40] <Jester45> Cannon_Ball: w32codecs is only for mplayer
[11:40] <Cannon_Ball> Im checking synaptic
[11:42] <Cannon_Ball> yep, it is installed
[11:42] <Cannon_Ball> :-(
[11:43] <Jester45> hey, pidgin has new similes
[11:45] <Cannon_Ball> do you have ideas as to where I can find indications? should I file a bug?
[11:46] <crimsun> Cannon_Ball: do you know what version wmv it is?
[11:46] <crimsun> Cannon_Ball: you may need to use mplayer+w32codecs
[11:47] <Cannon_Ball> i think also xine needs the codecs
[11:47] <Cannon_Ball> on medibuntu I found this:
[11:47] <Cannon_Ball>  To work around this issue, external binary codecs are used instead to play these formats.  MPlayer and  xine use such external codecs and these codecs are stored in the MPlayer website in their codecs directory
[11:47] <Cannon_Ball> however I can try with mplayer
[11:47] <Cannon_Ball> wmv I tried both the wmv8 and the wmv9, no differences
[11:48] <Jester45> xine cant use mplayers codecs
[11:48] <Jester45> mplayers codecs are mad just for mplay they said so
[11:50] <Cannon_Ball> ok, I'll check with mplayer, thanks
[12:11] <Cannon_Ball> Ok, with MPlayer I have a Fatal Error opening initialising the selected video out device
[12:12] <Cannon_Ball> so I guess that, once again, it is an unresolved problem with my graph card