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alfred_is there local device support in ltsp 5 on the clients?12:40
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bimberialfred_: yes, a default Edubuntu 7.04 install has local device support enabled12:59
grncan someone look at this web page and help me to understand what I need to do for ubuntu..01:07
grnI am unable to load 7.04 on a Dell Optiplex 320 and it talks about using pci=nomsi in order to bypass interupts ...SATA drive is not recognized01:09
grnpci=nomsi allows the SATA drive to be found...I do the install...then I am suppose to overwrite grub with LILO before rebooting01:12
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alfred_thanks for the reply01:34
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alfred_is the local drive access contingent on using the ldm login manager?  I am using kdm and have added users to the needed fuse groups via the ubuntu user manager and still no local devices.  it is the latest cdrom from the edubuntu site01:41
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grnis anyone familiar with boot options?02:12
grnis the command "linux pci=nomsi" or "pci=nomsi"02:13
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about nomsi - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi02:14
moquistalfred_: no, adding users to the fuse group should be enough.02:16
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moquistLaserJock: hiya there02:20
LaserJockhave you hear from David Trask?02:21
LaserJockI lost him after he left on his Sevilla-> Madrid flight02:21
moquistLaserJock: yes, I've heard a bit from him.02:23
moquistLaserJock: we're both playing catch-up.02:23
moquistLaserJock: how was the wedding?02:23
moquistogra: !!02:23
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moquistLaserJock: have any experience with edubuntu chroot kernel installs?02:24
grnmoquist: got any experience with boot options?02:28
moquistgrn: only the tinest bit.02:28
grnI have to use pci=nomsi but I don't know where in the string to append it?02:28
grnmy SATA doesn't work02:29
moquistthis is for a workstation, a server, a thin client?02:29
moquistand you're looking at the kernel line in /boot/grub/menu.lst for the kernel you're booting, right?02:29
moquistI think you can just append your parameter to whatever is already there.02:30
grnactually I was using a live cd but I have ther server cd burnt too...feisty02:30
grnit ended with -- and I wasn't sure if that was part of the last command or a close to the string02:30
LaserJockmoquist: the wedding was really hot. I was in a tux for around 8 hrs at ~85 degrees02:32
LaserJockbut it was good02:32
moquistand I thought you were hot in Sevilla...02:33
LaserJockyeah, it was surprising02:33
LaserJockit was hotter in Montana than it was in Reno02:34
grncan someone help...the feisty 7.04 live cd freezes during install at 15% everytime02:39
grnit's on a Dell 320 Optiplex which seems to have the same problem of all Dell's "open source" pc's ...the SATA doesn't work02:39
alfred_ is the local drive access contingent on using the ldm login manager?  I am using kdm and have added users to the needed fuse groups via the ubuntu user manager and still no local devices.  it is the latest cdrom from the edubuntu site02:41
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moquistgrn: if you think it's a driver issue you can try booting "with an extra drivers CD", or whatever that option is. Then just leave the CD in the drive when prompted.02:58
azeany french edubuntu users ?03:12
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grncan someone help me to remove grub from mbr?04:52
bimberigrn: replacing it with?04:59
grnit's Dell's 320 Optiplex the SATA does not load and the controler runs improperly under grub...hangs with blinking cursor05:01
grnI have instructions to null out the boot section for grub but it's for Fedora 6 and I don't want to kill the new install05:02
grnI can load the drive by appending "pci-nomsi" to the boot options using the live cd05:03
ubotulilo is an alternative [Li] nux Boot[Lo] ader. Note: it is recommended that you use GRUB on Ubuntu instead.05:05
bimberihm, not very informative :)05:05
grnthe instructions say to run the Fedora recovery and mount the harddrive using chroot /mnt/sysimage05:06
grnI tried the boot option that fedora uses "pci=nomsi recovery" but I don't see anything different with this live cd boot05:07
grnit doesn't seem to be a recovery mode or at least I don't see a directory structure /mnt/sysimage05:07
grnthats the web page I am using05:09
grnand I'm running feisty 7.0405:09
grnsort of :)05:09
bimberigrn: you need to mount the partition to /mnt/sysimage first - 'sudo mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/sysimage'  (hda1 is a guess)05:10
bimberiubuntu has lilo packages available too05:11
bimberi!info lilo05:11
ubotulilo: LInux LOader - The Classic OS loader can load Linux and others. In component main, is optional. Version 1:22.6.1-9ubuntu2 (feisty), package size 342 kB, installed size 1088 kB05:11
grnI have the package I just don't know how to replace grup with lilo05:12
bimberithat page tells you05:13
grncan't find /dev/hda1 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab?05:13
bimberiinstall lilo, create a /etc/lilo.conf, 'lilo -v'05:14
bimberi'sudo fdisk -l' will give a list of partitions on the hdd05:14
grnok so I can skip that whole mounting05:14
bimberino, you should mount and chroot, then install lilo ...05:15
grnsda1 id 83 linux, sda2 id 5 Extended, sda5 id 82 Linux Swap / Solaris05:16
bimbericool, use sda1 instead of hda105:16
grnsorry :(05:17
bimberi'sudo mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/sysimage'05:18
bimberiactually you might nead to 'sudo mkdir /mnt/sysimage' first05:18
grnwhere should /mnt/sysimage be05:19
bimberigood, i was struggling to answer that one :)05:20
bimberigrn: can I just verify that at the moment you are running from a LiveCD?05:21
grnyeah ...I switched from ubuntu@ubuntu to root@ubuntu with chroot /mnt/sysimage...that means the harddrive is my mounted to my live cd session or the livecd is using the harddrive file?05:23
ubotuhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebootstrapChroot use this to build 32 bit environments on a 64 bit box05:24
bimberioh sorry05:24
grnthe hardrive mounted to my live cd05:24
bimberiwell both sortof05:25
bimberithe kernel loaded from the livecd is now using the hard drive as the root filesystem05:25
grnok so now I can load synaptic?05:26
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bimberiah .. sorry .. what I just said only applies where you typed the chroot command05:28
bimberiso you need to use apt-get within it05:28
grnso I naigate to /mnt/sysimage?05:28
grnnavigate rather05:28
bimberino, within the chroot that won't exist05:29
bimberinow you install lilo05:29
grnok so should I use apt-get or sudo synaptic or it is one in the same?05:30
bimberiuse apt-get.  I'm not sure that synaptic will work.  you could try - use 'gksudo synaptic' though05:31
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grnsudo apt-get install lilo?05:32
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grn"package lilo is not available, but is referred to by another package.  This may mean that the package is missingm has been obsolete, or it may only be available from another source"05:34
grnE: package lilo has no installation canadite05:34
bimberihm, do you have internet access? eg. does 'ping google.com' work?05:35
bimberitry a 'apt-get update' and retry the install05:35
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grnis there a way to see if it already there?05:37
grnwhat if I just grab the tar from the webpage05:38
bimberiyes or try 'nano /etc/apt/sources.list', uncomment the line for the main repository, save, 'apt-get update' and retry the install05:40
grnthis isn't working I unmarked the two lines but no change in error05:48
grnI have the tar but I don't know where to extract it so root can get at it..05:49
bimberi!info lilo05:49
ubotulilo: LInux LOader - The Classic OS loader can load Linux and others. In component main, is optional. Version 1:22.6.1-9ubuntu2 (feisty), package size 342 kB, installed size 1088 kB05:49
bimberidid you 'apt-get update'05:49
grnI show two dev dir do I extract to the .sysimage or the normal05:50
bimberiyou can move it to /mnt/sysimage/tmp. Then you will be able to access it within the chroot05:51
bimberi... at /tmp05:52
grnbimberi: can you assist me with the config of lilo...second part line 2...append=" pci=nomsi root=LABEL=/"06:02
grnis that suppose to be append=" pci  or append= "pci06:02
grnand is LABEL generic ... thats what I show when performing ls /boot06:03
bimberii don't know lilo very well but I can guess :)06:03
bimberii reckon append=" pci06:04
bimberithe leading space after the quote is probably important06:04
bimberii think LABEL stays as LABEL06:04
grnthe next line says initrd but I only show a file called initrd.img-2.6.20-15-generic.bak06:05
grnohh well lets see what happens06:06
bimberiis that in /boot  (in the chroot)06:06
grnhow can I tell?06:06
bimberiyou need to make sure the map, image and initrd are correct (check in /boot in the chroot)06:06
bimberi'ls /boot' in the chroot  - or 'ls /mnt/sysimage/boot' if not in the chroot06:07
grnawww  the last command to run lilo -v errors with /etc/lilo.conf file does not exist06:15
grnlilo runs and I am in /mnt/sysimage/etc and I have a lilo.conf06:16
grnbut it tells me it is not here06:16
grnthen I copied it to /etc and ran sudo lilo -v and it errors Fatal: Trying to map files from unamed device 0x0010 (NFS/RAID mirror down) ... I am guessing I am trying to write to the cd06:18
grnam I wrong?06:19
bimberiyes, you need to run this from within the chroot environment.  Have you been running commands in another terminal or something?06:20
bimberithe chroot environment will have a prompt 'root@ubuntu#'06:20
grnoops yeah sorry wrong terminal06:21
bimberiah ha :)06:21
grnbut I cannot install lilo to the chroot terminal06:22
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bimberiwhat's the issue/error?06:22
grnwhat was the sources.list path again?06:22
grnE: package lilo has no installation canidate06:23
grnI uncommented the two archive addresses in sources.list06:24
grnshould I just add the lilo.go.dyndns.org to the list?06:25
bimberiopen a new terminal and type 'sudo gedit /mnt/sysimage/etc/apt/sources.list' and make sure it has the deb line for main uncommented06:25
grnso in the non chroot terminal right?06:25
bimberiyes, this time :)06:26
bimberithen back in the chroot, 'apt-get update && apt-get install lilo'06:26
grnit does06:29
grnwell at least there are no deb lines commented06:29
grnseveral end in main06:29
bimberithe important one is the first one 'feisty main restricted'06:30
grni.e. "deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu feisty-security main restricted06:30
bimberiyep, that one is useful too06:30
grni.e. "deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu feisty main restricted06:31
grnthat one?06:31
grnit is uncommented06:32
bimberiand yet still no success installing within the chroot?06:32
grnhmmm on the update it cannot resolve any of the addresses06:33
bimberihmm, does 'ping google.com' works within the chroot?06:33
grnno unknown host....ahh I get it I have to have a static to run behind my server...but I have that configured for my live session06:34
grnso I have to configure this for the mnt too?06:35
bimberigive it a try06:35
grnwhere can I find a config file for the network settings in the mounted image...I did it through the GUI on the live06:36
bimberihmm, actually I suspect networking from within the chroot won't work, here's an alternative...06:37
bimberiopen a terminal (yes non chroot) and 'sudo apt-get install -d lilo'06:38
bimberiargh, sorry that won't work06:38
bimberibut this should ...06:39
bimberi'wget http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l/lilo/lilo_22.6.1-9ubuntu2_i386.deb'06:41
grnso sudo wget06:42
bimberiactually, good idea, 'cd /mnt/sysimage/tmp' then 'sudo wget...'06:43
bimberithis is from a non-chroot terminal (so that it is using the livecd's networking)06:43
bimberithen from your chroot terminal 'cd /tmp' and 'dpkg -i lilo*.deb'06:44
bimberiyou might get an error on a dependency: mbr06:45
bimberiif so then 'wget http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/m/mbr/mbr_1.1.9-2_i386.deb' and install it first06:46
grnerror 404 not found but it did connect to the address06:47
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grngot it06:49
bimberisorry, you've successfully downloaded?06:51
grnI guess I need to do something more.. it still does not run lilo -v06:52
bimberiso you've installed it in the chroot with 'dpkg -i' ?06:53
grnno I know nothing this is my first box I have had to tweek06:53
bimberithat's ok, i did say that earlier though06:54
bimberi14:44 < bimberi> then from your chroot terminal 'cd /tmp' and 'dpkg -i lilo*.deb'06:54
grnok so I had a dependecy error for mbr ..good looks on the heads up..got that out of the way but now   cat: /proc/partitions: No such file06:59
bimberi/proc/partitions won't exist in the chroot07:01
grnthat error occurs when I run dpkg -i lilo*.deb in chroot07:05
grnhow can I run the lilo install non chroot?07:05
bimberifound it - 'mount -t proc proc /proc'07:10
bimberi(in the chroot)07:11
bimberithen retry the dpkg07:11
bimberiactually also do a 'mount -t sysfs sysfs /sys' as well07:11
grnok it worked07:13
grnbut now the final command to write lilo.conf to master boot record comes back Fatal: raid_setup: stat(*/dev/sda*07:14
grnran lilo -v as chroot07:15
bimberiso you have raid?07:16
grnI have no directory /dev/sda07:17
grnthis is from the first line in the lilo.conf07:19
grnit reads boot=/dev/sda07:19
grnis it suppose to be something else?07:20
bimberino, that's right. the issue is that /dev in the chroot isn't complete ...07:21
bimberitry this (in a non-chroot terminal) 'sudo mount -bind /dev /mnt/sysimage/dev'07:23
bimberiand retry 'lilo -v' (in the chroot)07:23
grninvalid option --b07:25
bimberiyes try:  --bind07:26
grnnm its --bind I thing07:26
grnnow mount: mount point mnt/sysimage/dev does not exist07:26
bimberiyou need the leading /07:26
grnoops sorry07:27
bimberiand remember this is NOT in the chroot environment07:27
bimberinp :)07:27
grnis ls /boot supposed to be run from chroot or normal terminal to get boot files?07:30
grnI am getting an error that my vmlinuz is not found07:30
bimberifrom chroot07:30
grnhmmm I copied07:30
grnok I shouldn't need to do the video driver update right?07:35
grnI think I can just reboot07:35
bimberiyes, and cross fingers :)07:35
grnoh wait it still errors Fatal: open boot/vmlinuz-2.6.20-15-generic: No such file or directory07:36
grnls /boot in chroot shows vmlinuz-2.6.20-15-generic07:38
grnlilo.conf reads:07:40
bimberiah ha07:41
bimberi /boot  not just boot07:42
grnthank you so much bimberi07:43
bimberinp, but lets see if it works first :)07:43
grnno errors07:43
grnback up copy of boot sector in /boot/boot.080007:44
grnit seems hung up07:48
grn24.964276 drivers/usb/input/hid-core.c: v2.6:USB HID core driver07:49
grnALERT: /dev.disk/by-label// does not exist dropping to shell.....yeah07:51
grnI at a initramfs prompt07:52
grnthis doesn't really seem to be my file structure07:53
bimberihm, i think it's google time07:55
grnwell it has to be an error in the lilo.conf right?07:57
grnyou think it is that boot option append=" pci=nomsi root=LABEL=/07:58
grnis there a way to edit that lilo.config from initramfs?08:00
bimberiit might be. perhaps have a look in /boot/grub/menu.lst on your Ubuntu install to see what boot options it uses08:00
bimberisorry, I don't know08:00
grnits ok08:01
grnso I would have to remount with the live cd?08:01
bimberiactually, I have a feisty install nearby - I'll paste them08:03
bimberiit has     root=UUID=<a string of numbers and letters> ro quiet nosplash08:06
bimberii'd forget the UUID thing for now08:06
bimberiso try this:  append=" pci=nomsi root=/dev/hda ro quiet splash"08:08
bimberi(nosplash was a typo earlier)08:08
bimberiargh ...08:08
bimberiso try this:  append=" pci=nomsi root=/dev/sda1 ro quiet splash"08:08
grnwait there is no splash08:10
bimberithat's what I have in my /boot/grub/menu.lst08:11
grnyeah but I don't have grub anymore08:11
grndo you want me to reboot with the live cd08:12
bimberiyes, i'm looking at the kernel boot options used by grub so we can mimic them in lilo08:12
bimberiand yes, unfortunately it means LiveCD, mounting the hdd, chrooting, mounting /proc /sys and /dev and all that :|08:13
grnok so I am at the boot options08:16
grnyou want me to add append=" pcinomsi root=/dev/sda1 ro quiet splash?08:16
bimberiyes, except mind the typo:  pci=nomsi08:17
bimberiand also the closing "08:17
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grnok so I mounted the drive and entered the lilo.conf08:31
grnthe first line say boot=/dev/sda  that isn't suppose to be a sda1  that is what shows when I do sudo fdisk -l08:32
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=== Topic for #edubuntu: Order: http://shipit.edubuntu.org || Edubuntu - the education version of Ubuntu || http://www.edubuntu.org | Wiki: http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuWiki | MEETING: every Wednesday see http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuMeetingAgenda | feisty (7.04) is released ! grab it while its hot ! http://www.edubuntu.org/Download | Upgraders see: https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuLTSPUpgradeNotes
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bimberigrn: it should be /dev/sda as far as I can tell08:38
bimberigrn: unfortunately I have to go now.  I hope you have some success with it08:39
grnok thank you sooooo much08:39
grnstarting to understand the filestructure08:39
bimberigrn: no worries.  I've learned a lot too :)08:40
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crazy_busis there going to be a package of kmathtool made for edubuntu?08:49
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Dheeraj_kgetting error while upgrading to feisty :(   (Could not calculate the upgrade)  apt log http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/20940/   main log http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/20939/09:09
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RichEdDheeraj_k: hi ... have you posted a request to edubuntu-dev ?10:40
MM2My ltsp-client gives "nfsmount: need a path" and won't boot up.11:32
MM2It loads pxelinux.0 ok and splash-screen, but screen1 gives that mount error11:32
MM2what to do?11:32
MM2I use windows dhcp-server...11:33
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MM2and it worked :)))11:39
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RichEdMM2: that's what we call legacy compatibility ;)11:47
RichEdyou can ask ltsp questions in #ltsp ... edubuntu ltsp is the official ltsp 5.0 built by the people in that channel11:47
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cbx33ping RichEd01:02
RichEdpong cbx3301:03
cbx33did i just drop out?01:06
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cbx33can anyone hear me?01:09
ajmitchcbx33: nope01:11
cbx33hey ajmitch01:11
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RichEd<RichEd> just seen this one line from you ...01:12
cbx33RichEd: can you hear me?01:12
RichEd<RichEd> <cbx33> can you hear me?01:12
RichEd<RichEd> last line was: <cbx33> been v.busy01:12
cbx33ahhh ok01:12
cbx33back to pm01:12
cbx33are you authenticated RichEd ?01:13
RichEdcbx33: seems not01:14
RichEddoh ...01:14
RichEdlet me sort it out and then c&paste conversation01:14
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bimberihi jsgotangco, congratulations on your CC appointment :)01:30
jsgotangcobimberi: thank you, work starts in a few hours heh01:31
RichEdcbx33: ping ?01:35
jsgotangcohey did anyone see the edubuntu review on zdnet education blogs01:35
RichEdjsgotangco: hi ... got a link for me ?01:42
bimberinice headline - "Edubuntu update - it freakin rocks"01:43
bimberihi RichEd01:43
bimberihttp://education.zdnet.com/?p=1047  is that one01:44
jsgotangcoyeah he made an update01:44
bimberiah yes :)01:44
RichEdcool ... lemme check it our01:45
jsgotangcook i have to grab dinner first before the CC starts01:47
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JOnZHello :D Im writing an exam about edubuntu. It's called Edubuntu in the danish public schools!02:17
JOnZAny1 here?02:18
kgoetzyes, a number of people are02:18
JOnZ im studying 2 become an IT-engineer in Denmark.02:20
JOnZ... & was wandering if there exist some work on how much u estimately can save on school (in publicschools this means taxmoney ofc), when u implement FOSS systems in schools?02:21
kgoetzi dont have any handy, but after UDS i suspect some people out there have those figures02:22
kgoetzubuntu developer summit02:23
RichEdJOnZ: hi there ... i'm the education programme lead ... i may be able to help02:24
RichEdJOnZ: when are you writing the exam ?02:24
RichEdright now ?02:25
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MerlinZShellhello guys02:25
MerlinZShellhow can i switch my ubuntu to edubuntu02:25
JOnZyes.. Actually im writing an economical projekt ATM about my main examprojekt which is; Edubuntu ;)02:25
RichEdhi MerlinZShell02:26
MerlinZShellRichEd: hi02:26
RichEdMerlinZShell: you download and install the edubuntu-desktop package02:26
JOnZIm doing my own calculations right now about how much copenhagen can save if they shfit 2 Edubuntu02:27
MerlinZShellok after doing that if i want to switch back to ubuntu how can i do that02:27
RichEdJOnZ: I can give you some ideas on what the savings would be ... but it is difficult to do a direct cost comparison02:27
JOnZIm writing this on my laptop w, edubuntu ofc02:27
RichEdMerlinZShell: ogra will be able to help with that ... or highvoltage ... they are hot on that topic (much more so thatn me)02:27
highvoltagehey RichEd and JOnZ02:28
RichEdspeak of the Electrical Devil : hey highvoltage02:28
RichEdJOnZ: there is one set of equations if you switch existing h/w to FLOSS ... and then you save future licence costs02:28
MerlinZShellhighvoltage: seems to be dangerouse02:29
RichEdbut the real benefit is if you start your Edbuntu school from a zero base ... since you can buy lower spec h/w and save license costs02:29
highvoltageheh :)02:30
JOnZi know that & have the prices from that, what i specifically need is some sort of comparison, to my own calculations02:30
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RichEdif you design around LTSP environment, you can save even more per workstation spec purchase price02:30
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highvoltageJOnZ: I know what our LTSP labs in South Africa cost, but unfortunately I don't have many price comparisons for Windows labs02:30
JOnZI do design it around LTSP, because it saves alot of installation work:D02:31
RichEdand the management costs of LTSP are much lower, you only ever update a server, and the workstations are just plug out and plug in02:31
RichEd*snap* :)02:31
JOnZi have the pricing i windows from DK, u want??02:31
highvoltageJOnZ: indeed. and you save more from the maintenance post-installation than from your actual hardware cost savings02:31
RichEdJOnZ: I would love a copy of your paper, and we can comment for you ? how does that sound ?02:32
highvoltageJOnZ: it might be useful, yes. could you make it public? I'm wondering if it can go into a wiki page so that others can share local pricing there as well.02:32
RichEdit will be useful for us to have your study, and we can help you improve it ?02:32
RichEd*snap* :)02:32
kgoetzhi all02:32
JOnZin Copenhagen Public schools they pay 340 dkr (must b around 35) per machine p.a., they administer appr. 14000 pc's.....02:33
MerlinZShellis there a way to switch back to ubuntu desktop without removing edubuntu desktop02:33
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MerlinZShelland edubuntu-artwork02:33
JOnZI write it in danish :s02:33
JOnZsry kgoetz^^02:34
RichEdJOnZ: perhaps we can find someone to translate02:34
JOnZI can translate it, will take some time, but i promiss i will do it over the summer if i get my wireless internet working this summer(w. or with ubuntu^^)02:35
RichEdJOnZ: so then the quick answer is that we do not have any immediate help I can give you, but perhaps we can work to help each other more slowly. It would be good if you can send me an email about your project and your studies.02:36
RichEdWe are always keen to find out education institutions that are using or studying edubuntu or ubuntu ...02:37
JOnZIs there a danish IRC channel??02:37
RichEd* note : I can always put your paper through google translate and read it that way ?02:37
JOnZu might b able 2, yes02:37
RichEdalso: check this article out for some human benefits of open source ... this is by our ubuntu community manager Jono Bacon02:38
kgoetzfor some value of 'read'02:38
JOnZMust sya i love (ed)ubuntu :D02:38
kgoetzwonder if the catheral and the bazaar is in .dk02:38
RichEdJOnZ: looking for the Danish Loco team info for you now02:38
RichEd Denmark02:39
RichEd[MAILTO]  ubuntu-dk@lists.ubuntu.com02:39
RichEd[WWW]  http://ubuntudanmark.dk/forum02:39
RichEdwe're taking over every place you may live :)02:40
JOnZId really love that:D02:40
RichEdsee the last reference for the list of loco teams with proper embedded links for the info pasted02:40
JOnZ..But no edubuntu-dk?!02:40
RichEdJOnZ: send me an introduction email to: richard@ubuntu.com please02:41
JOnZIn danish?!02:41
kgoetzJOnZ: most teams only have one extra chanel, all llocalised stuff is done in that channel02:41
RichEdjust a few words in english will be fine ... and then I may ask you specific questions02:42
RichEdJOnZ: we are about to ask each Loco team to nominate an education representative ... perhaps you would like to join the Danish Loco and then take the job ;)02:42
JOnZok, tyvm 4 the info, ill send u some, I might not have the extra ressources to do it, before after the weekend as im delivering the written economic exam monday...02:43
jsgotangcogood luck!02:44
JOnZIm willing to be the education representative, id be honored in fact :D02:44
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RichEdJOnZ: no rush ... send me an email ... [ hi This is JOnZ from Denmark, student, edubuntu project, more later ]  and I will confirm receipt02:48
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RichEdand I would advise you to check out that page from Jono I posted ... it will help you with a good introduction and conclusion paragraph ...02:49
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JOnZim on the jono page atm, it look awesome 4 my project, once again thx m8!02:52
RichEdwillvdl: hey hey back in ZA ?02:52
willvdlRichEd, yes. bit of a mare coming back...02:53
RichEdJOnZ: I can send you a summary of the jono page ... and also some benefits of open source ... i'll need your email address02:53
RichEdwillvdl: what happened ? people with exploding shoes / toothpaste ?02:53
willvdlmy bags went one way02:54
willvdlme the other02:54
JOnZim trying do send some info on the danish edubuntu channel, but appantly no1 is ther atm...02:54
willvdland I picked up some nasty flu bug over those 12 hours02:54
RichEdthey took my exploding toothpaste away from me ... i could have had my own tv channel, and religious movement, with some cool demands and 70++ virgins lined up :(02:55
kgoetzJOnZ: try #ubuntu-dk, not #edubuntu-dk02:55
RichEdJOnZ: email address please ? or send an email to richard@ubuntu.com ... I can send you some info right now ... in 5 mins I will be off on another issue !02:57
willvdlRichEd, it's as sad thing when they take a man's toothpaste from him02:58
RichEdwillvdl: are you madly busy today ? have a chunk for you to tackle on the applications pipeline02:59
highvoltagehey willvdl. recovered yet? :)02:59
willvdlhighvoltage, bit groggy but good to go03:00
willvdlRichEd, shoot. it was what I wanted to work on anyway03:00
highvoltagewillvdl: ok, I'll come by in about two weeks, I'm in Jo'burg this week and next week.03:00
RichEdJOnZ: will send mail now ...03:01
RichEdwillvdl: will send mail now ...03:02
RichEdJOnZ: Are you any \relation to mr van Gogh's painting companion ?03:03
JOnZYes he was my greatgreatgrandfather!03:04
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JOnZI seem 2 share some of his idealogical beliefs, but lack in painting... Am a musician though, so art still seems to be in the genes;)03:06
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RichEddamn adsl reset03:12
RichEdJOnZ: Interesting ... I saw the exhibition in Amsterdam in 2001 which was Gaugin and van Gogh side by side timeline of paintings ... very moving indeed.03:13
RichEdwillvdl: I'll send the mail now ... but am still clarifying the overall process with ogra ...03:13
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RichEdSo I may come back with some modified comments as to the exact process, bt you can starting thinking about it in the meanwhile.03:14
JOnZI have a webpage (made w. frontpage im ashamed 2 say), w. abit info about myself & family: www.jonasgauguin.dk03:15
kgoetzRichEd: i'm going to go to bed - do you want me to email you what i just PMed you? i assume you didnt get it?03:16
kgoetz(sorry to interupt you both)03:16
RichEdkgoetz: let me go back to the msg to let you know what I got ... we can resume the conversation around it tomorrow03:17
JOnZim leaving too, gotta go get kids, tyvm 2 u all 4 helping me out... CYA!03:18
kgoetzsee you again JOnZ :)03:18
kgoetzRichEd: dont think i'll be able to make it on tomorrow, but i look forward to following up with you in the next few days03:19
RichEdsoon is kool kgoetz ... will tell you about the Ubuntu Academy initiaitive ... may be some synergy down under ... we have no Auz or NZ uni in focus yet03:20
RichEdsleep well03:20
kgoetzthanks, i look forward to hearing about it :)03:20
RichEdJOnZ: mail on its way ... I also found a 287 page document entitled:                   Study on the:03:21
RichEd    Economic impact of open source software03:21
RichEd on innovation and the competitiveness of the03:21
RichEdInformation and Communication Technologies03:21
RichEd            (ICT) sector in the EU03:21
RichEdso hope you enjoy the reading03:21
juliuxhi RichEd03:23
juliuxwillvdl, ping03:23
willvdljuliux, pong03:23
JOnZthx again:D03:23
juliuxwillvdl, hi, did you have something about edubuntu what we can print in din a0 for the linuxtag ?03:24
RichEdhi juliux ...03:25
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willvdljuliux, there is something I can revive. It was never finished but let me see what I can find03:25
juliuxwillvdl, thxs03:25
juliuxwillvdl, linuxtag starts 29th june ;)03:26
willvdlnot too long now03:26
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sbalneavMorning all03:27
juliuxwillvdl, i mean 29th may i am sorry :(03:27
juliuxwillvdl, so two weeks left03:27
willvdlyeah, we worked on something for a launch down here but it was never finished03:28
willvdlI'll see if I can find it.03:28
RichEdmr sbalneav sir ...03:30
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sbalneavAt ease, men.03:30
juliuxwillvdl, many thanks03:40
juliuxwillvdl, i can print to posters and can give one ogra so he can bring that to every bigger event;)03:40
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rockprincesshello all!03:56
rockprincesstried installing feisty on a school computer day, i was told to keep the windows partition and therefore tried to set it up as a dual boot, but then installation aborted at 94% all of the sudden. it said grub couldn't be installed....hmmm03:58
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rockprincessany ideas?04:05
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RichEdhi rockprincess ...04:11
RichEddo you have enough space in the boot partition HDD ?04:11
RichEdis there any chance that the install tried to write the grub menu to a partition where it has no Write rights ?04:12
RichEdmy 2 guesses :) may be way off track04:12
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t94xr-lappyeducational applications for a 9yr old girls system, any suggestions? i've already got the ones in add remove she would like - any others that would be useful?04:14
RichEdt94xr-lappy: I can send you a document with a bunch of applications listed ... with resources ... funnily enough it's a doc from down under :)04:18
SimonAnibalLal? Data's daughter?04:20
SimonAnibalerm, my geek is showing...04:20
t94xr-lappywell i just chucked a 10mbit card in04:21
t94xr-lappyshe had 98 before04:21
t94xr-lappyshe has a p2-45004:21
t94xr-lappywith a 19204:21
t94xr-lappyso im like eh she wants dsl - shes 9 - eh edubuntu!04:21
RichEdt94xr-lappy: the only condition is that I'd like you to let me know what was good / bad / ugly from what you decide to try out ... do we have a deal04:22
t94xr-lappycuz i'll be writing a bash script - so next time i dont have to waste time04:22
RichEd:) this is part of an overall process we are building right now ... and it would help us greatly04:22
rockprincesshi Riched! yes that could be possible, because the whole linux partition is only 16 gb.....i've made three partions, / being 5gb, swap being 700mb and the rest is /home......i think 60gb is for the windows partition...04:23
t94xr-lappyi already got one kinda ready for my lazy ass when i do server installations04:23
RichEdt94xr-lappy: send an email to richard@ubuntu.com with app selection for kids ... and I'll send the doc right away04:23
t94xr-lappyholey shit04:23
t94xr-lappyur a ubuntu dev?04:23
rockprincessRichEd: the windows partition is in ntfs....04:24
rockprincessi tried to install grub manually in a shell. but sudo grub-install /dev/sda04:24
RichEdt94xr-lappy: I am the Education Programme Manager for Canonical ... ubuntu / edubuntu ...04:25
t94xr-lappyyou definately have a deal then!! :)04:25
RichEdNot a developer ... more a relationship and requirements person ... Our dev rock is ogra ... he's like 80% of the edubuntu code04:25
RichEdping willvdl04:26
t94xr-lappyemail is sent04:26
t94xr-lappyu should have it by now04:26
SimonAnibalRichEd, You're like, a rock star, man ;-)04:27
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rockprincesshere ;)04:27
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RichEdw00t :)04:28
t94xr-lappythis is my lil bash script04:28
t94xr-lappynot finished yet04:28
t94xr-lappystill gota do its first run04:28
t94xr-lappyi plan to do one with edubuntu so i can do systems by scripting them - well thats the idea04:29
t94xr-lappyonly what u would get from a lazy ass like me04:29
rockprincesst94xr-lappy: what does this script do?04:30
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t94xr-lappysets up a server for me04:32
t94xr-lappywell when u remove most of the comments04:32
t94xr-lappyand i've got to sort out the smb.conf and the 000-defualt for apache204:32
rockprincesst94xr-lappy: cool, surely i'd have to change the username?!04:32
t94xr-lappy... uh yah?04:33
t94xr-lappyif u wanna use it04:33
rockprincess# USER DEFINED VARIABLES04:33
t94xr-lappybut its like way not finished04:33
rockprincessahh i see04:33
t94xr-lappyu can modify it04:33
t94xr-lappyjust leave the ones that are reliant on me commented or removed or change it04:34
t94xr-lappyim just lazy and my mate is gonna let me run the script live on his server in the UK via ssh04:34
t94xr-lappyso yeah any lil things i've forgotten - i'll have them sorted04:35
rockprincessnice one :) well done!04:35
t94xr-lappyi did ms-dos batch scripting as a kid so it isnt far out of the concept of that realm04:35
rockprincessi'm gonna have to look how to setup samba with a windows network...04:35
t94xr-lappyeasy, run my smb.conf if u wanna lawl04:36
t94xr-lappysame thing04:37
rockprincesswhere do i find your smb.conf?04:37
SimonAnibalRichEd, I think work's going to pay to send me NECC this year <http://center.uoregon.edu/ISTE/NECC2007/>04:38
RichEdSimonAnibal: cool ... no time to look at link now ... superswamped and running approx 10 threads04:39
RichEdt94xr-lappy: mail sent ... lemme know what you think04:39
SimonAnibalheh, no worries, I just thought you might want to be aware of it. National Educational Computer Coordinator's Conference, largest of its kind in the world, I'm told04:39
t94xr-lappyim not the 9yr old girl04:40
rockprincesst94xr-lappy: what does smb.conf do? is there any risk running it?04:40
SimonAnibalsmb.conf is the configuration file for samba04:40
SimonAnibalit's located in the /etc/samba directory04:40
t94xr-lappyjust cp /etc/samba/smb.conf /etc/samba/smb.conf.backup04:40
rockprincessahh ok04:40
SimonAnibalwhen you make changes, you should run testparm to double-check that everything works04:41
t94xr-lappyand mv smb.conf /etc/samba/smb.conf04:41
t94xr-lappywe do?04:41
rockprincessSimonAnibal: what04:41
rockprincessSimonAnibal: what's testparm?04:41
t94xr-lappywould the fact that i have it running live hurt?04:41
SimonAnibalif you make a change to /etc/samba/smb.conf it won't be taken into account until you restart samba04:42
rockprincesst94xr-lappy: ok, and then I'm set?!04:42
rockprincessahh ok!04:42
SimonAnibaltestparm just checks the smb.conf file to make sure everything's formatted correctly04:42
t94xr-lappywell no04:42
t94xr-lappyrockprincess, u will have to modify the workgroup if u run in a MSHOME workgroup or whatever and the shares04:42
SimonAnibalin order to have your changes take effect, you'll need to "sudo /etc/init.d/samba restart"04:42
t94xr-lappytheres a login protected one and a guest open share04:42
rockprincesshmm this only enables me to view and copy&paste things onto a windows network, but somehow the windows network cannot see my linux machine....so it doesn't work the other way round, if that makes sense?!04:46
SimonAnibalDo you have the samba package installed?04:47
SimonAnibalUbuntu comes with the samba CLIENT stuff by default so you can connect to Windows shares out of the box, but in order to CREATE a Windows share you'll need the SERVER stuff, too. The "samba" package, dig?04:48
t94xr-lappyrockprincess, find someone u trust to help you understand things, aided with a ssh screen session where you both are connected to - best way if u want guided tutorials :)04:49
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RichEdrockprincess: that's a very old "linux way ahead of MSFT" example ... linux machines have always been able to read a Linux or MSFT floppy, stiffy, or CD05:12
RichEdwhereas MSFT has been able to read MSFT05:12
RichEdMSFT Office reads propietary format documents05:12
t94xr-lappyRichEd, how big is the email u sent me?05:13
RichEdOpen Office reads and writes either format05:13
RichEdt94xr: checking now05:13
rockprincessRichEd: do you think there's any way how I could fix my Grub problem? I mean the grub error doesn't give too much information away, it was just a short message when it aborted at 94%...05:21
RichEdrockprincess: you'd need to post to edubuntu-devel mail list for reliable help05:21
RichEd(if no one here is volunteering help at the moment)05:22
SimonAnibalWhat's the grub error message?05:24
rockprincessSimonAnibal: "the execution of <<grub install>> has failed. this is a serious problem." roughly translated into english05:26
SimonAnibalI agree05:26
SimonAnibalSo, you're left without a working system?05:26
rockprincessumm yeah, i have windows xp on the first partition and wanted to install edubuntu feisty on the 2nd one.....05:27
SimonAnibalOk, so you got to the GRUB install point, and it died, so now it boots up only into XP?05:29
rockprincessyep, indeed!05:29
SimonAnibalAlright, I think I can help05:29
SimonAnibalI'll need you to boot into a Live CD environment05:30
SimonAnibalideally the same Live CD you used to install from05:30
rockprincessok, that should be possible....but unfortunately I don't have access to IRC in school (i do have access to internet, but the irc ports are being blocked by a firewall...)05:31
rockprincesswhat shall I do when I've booted the LIVE CD?05:31
SimonAnibalYou'll need to pull up a terminal window and run "sudo grub"05:31
rockprincessah ok, and then?05:32
SimonAnibalNow, do you remember if it's /dev/hda, with Windows XP on /dev/hda1 and Ubuntu on /dev/hda2?05:32
SimonAnibalor /dev/sda05:33
rockprincessyeah /dev/sda1 is definitly win xp and /dev/sda2 should be edubuntu05:33
SimonAnibalCool, I'll brb05:33
rockprincessthat's how i noted it on my sheet in school05:33
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SimonAnibalok, and did Edubuntu itself resize the partition for you?05:35
SimonAnibalduring the install, I mean05:36
rockprincessi chose to resize it manually as I didn't want to risk to loose anything....I then resized /dev/sda2 to 5gb as /, 700mb as swap and the rest of it being around 10gb as /home05:37
RichEdt94xr-lappy: damn mail is 12 MB05:37
RichEdfile is chunky ...05:37
RichEdis a web site download better for you ?05:37
t94xr-lappyna it'll be in my box by morning05:37
t94xr-lappyits 3:38am here05:38
SimonAnibalok, so the /boot directory would be in your /dev/sda2 partition, right?05:38
RichEdt94xr-lappy: got a rejection ... jour mail box she is fool05:38
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t94xr-lappyoh - website then05:39
rockprincessSimonAnibal: i guess, how could i make sure is in /dev/sda2?05:39
SimonAnibalok, so, you run "sudo grub" and it drops you to a "grub>" prompt05:39
SimonAnibalthere, you run "find /boot/grub/stage1"05:40
SimonAnibalMy GUESS is it'll say (hd0,1)05:40
SimonAnibalIF SO, your next command will be "root (hd0,1)"05:40
SimonAnibaland then "setup (hd0)"05:40
t94xr-lappyupload it to a localhost im sure u have at ur place :P05:41
RichEdi'll mail you a link ... will upload it to the ubuntu wiki ... unless you can give me a quick FTP site ?05:41
rockprincessSimonAnibal: ok, so far so good. and what will I have to do then?05:42
SimonAnibalrockprincess, Edubuntu should have set up /boot/grub/menu.lst with the necessary information to boot to both Windows XP or Ubuntu, and will default to the Ubuntu option unless you go in and "sudo gedit /boot/grub/menu.lst" and change the "default" switch to point to the Windows XP option05:42
SimonAnibalrockprincess, reboot05:42
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RichEdthanks dude from me and rockprincess05:43
rockprincessyeah HUGE thank you to Simon!!!05:43
SimonAnibalHeh, just paying it forward05:43
SimonAnibalYou do the same and we're square05:43
rockprincessI'll give it a try tomorrow, your badge is well deserved :)05:43
t94xr-lappyna i havent got  ftp anywhere other than my website05:44
SimonAnibalIn the unlikely event you have a problem, make sure you jot down any and all error messages05:44
RichEdt94xr-lappy: up loading to wiki ... will mail you the link05:44
rockprincessSimonAnibal: is there any chance to reach you on jabber or through email? because that stuff works in school as well ;)05:44
SimonAnibalSure, simon.a.ruiz at gmail05:45
rockprincesscheers, Simon! :)05:45
SimonAnibalBoy, all that talking about GRUB has made me hungry ;-)05:45
SimonAnibaloff to lunch!05:46
rockprincessdo you think Edubuntu has installed fully, because it aborted at 94%......will i have to install it again after these grub commands?05:46
SimonAnibalMmmm, if it got as far as GRUB, my inkling is you've got a functional system05:46
rockprincessexcellent :) thank you!05:46
SimonAnibalI think what it does after that is remove unnecessary language packs05:46
SimonAnibalwhich won't HURT anything to have on, but you might want to go in Synaptic and remove them manually05:47
SimonAnibaltalk to ya later!05:47
rockprincesshehe ok :) cannot wait to try it tomorrow :)05:48
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willvdlhey ogra, catching up on sleep yet? :)08:45
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jbreforthey LaserJock09:57
LaserJockjbrefort: oh cool, I was looking for you09:58
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willvdlogra ping10:08
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willvdlLaserJock, heya10:08
LaserJockhi willvdl10:08
willvdldo you know where I can find seed files?10:09
willvdlthought so10:10
willvdlhttps://code.launchpad.net/ubuntu-seeds/ is a bit funny to navigate10:11
LaserJockyou can either use the code browser10:12
LaserJockor use bzr10:12
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willvdlhttps://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/ubuntu-seeds/edubuntu.feisty just shows the changes10:15
willvdlnot the actual seed file contents10:15
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LaserJockwell, if you click on the latest revision you should be able to browse the contents10:17
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willvdlBurgundavia, hey10:44
Burgundaviahey willvdl10:44
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