[12:40] <alfred_> is there local device support in ltsp 5 on the clients?
[12:59] <bimberi> alfred_: yes, a default Edubuntu 7.04 install has local device support enabled
[01:07] <grn> can someone look at this web page and help me to understand what I need to do for ubuntu..
[01:07] <grn> http://wirelessness.wordpress.com/2007/02/07/installing-fedora-linux-on-a-dell-optiplex-320/
[01:09] <grn> I am unable to load 7.04 on a Dell Optiplex 320 and it talks about using pci=nomsi in order to bypass interupts ...SATA drive is not recognized
[01:12] <grn> pci=nomsi allows the SATA drive to be found...I do the install...then I am suppose to overwrite grub with LILO before rebooting
[01:34] <alfred_> thanks for the reply
[01:41] <alfred_> is the local drive access contingent on using the ldm login manager?  I am using kdm and have added users to the needed fuse groups via the ubuntu user manager and still no local devices.  it is the latest cdrom from the edubuntu site
[02:12] <grn> is anyone familiar with boot options?
[02:13] <grn> is the command "linux pci=nomsi" or "pci=nomsi"
[02:13] <grn> !nomsi
[02:14] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about nomsi - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:16] <moquist> alfred_: no, adding users to the fuse group should be enough.
[02:19] <LaserJock> moquist!
[02:20] <moquist> LaserJock: hiya there
[02:21] <LaserJock> have you hear from David Trask?
[02:21] <LaserJock> I lost him after he left on his Sevilla-> Madrid flight
[02:23] <moquist> LaserJock: yes, I've heard a bit from him.
[02:23] <moquist> LaserJock: we're both playing catch-up.
[02:23] <moquist> LaserJock: how was the wedding?
[02:23] <moquist> ogra: !!
[02:24] <moquist> LaserJock: have any experience with edubuntu chroot kernel installs?
[02:28] <grn> moquist: got any experience with boot options?
[02:28] <moquist> grn: only the tinest bit.
[02:28] <grn> I have to use pci=nomsi but I don't know where in the string to append it?
[02:29] <grn> my SATA doesn't work
[02:29] <moquist> this is for a workstation, a server, a thin client?
[02:29] <grn> workstation
[02:29] <moquist> and you're looking at the kernel line in /boot/grub/menu.lst for the kernel you're booting, right?
[02:30] <moquist> I think you can just append your parameter to whatever is already there.
[02:30] <grn> actually I was using a live cd but I have ther server cd burnt too...feisty
[02:30] <grn> it ended with -- and I wasn't sure if that was part of the last command or a close to the string
[02:32] <LaserJock> moquist: the wedding was really hot. I was in a tux for around 8 hrs at ~85 degrees
[02:32] <LaserJock> but it was good
[02:33] <moquist> yeesh
[02:33] <moquist> and I thought you were hot in Sevilla...
[02:33] <LaserJock> yeah, it was surprising
[02:34] <LaserJock> it was hotter in Montana than it was in Reno
[02:39] <grn> can someone help...the feisty 7.04 live cd freezes during install at 15% everytime
[02:39] <grn> it's on a Dell 320 Optiplex which seems to have the same problem of all Dell's "open source" pc's ...the SATA doesn't work
[02:41] <alfred_>  is the local drive access contingent on using the ldm login manager?  I am using kdm and have added users to the needed fuse groups via the ubuntu user manager and still no local devices.  it is the latest cdrom from the edubuntu site
[02:58] <moquist> grn: if you think it's a driver issue you can try booting "with an extra drivers CD", or whatever that option is. Then just leave the CD in the drive when prompted.
[03:12] <aze> any french edubuntu users ?
[04:52] <grn> can someone help me to remove grub from mbr?
[04:59] <bimberi> grn: replacing it with?
[05:01] <grn> lilo
[05:01] <grn> sorry
[05:01] <grn> it's Dell's 320 Optiplex the SATA does not load and the controler runs improperly under grub...hangs with blinking cursor
[05:02] <grn> I have instructions to null out the boot section for grub but it's for Fedora 6 and I don't want to kill the new install
[05:03] <grn> I can load the drive by appending "pci-nomsi" to the boot options using the live cd
[05:05] <bimberi> !lilo
[05:05] <ubotu> lilo is an alternative [Li] nux Boot[Lo] ader. Note: it is recommended that you use GRUB on Ubuntu instead.
[05:05] <bimberi> hm, not very informative :)
[05:06] <grn> the instructions say to run the Fedora recovery and mount the harddrive using chroot /mnt/sysimage
[05:07] <grn> I tried the boot option that fedora uses "pci=nomsi recovery" but I don't see anything different with this live cd boot
[05:07] <grn> it doesn't seem to be a recovery mode or at least I don't see a directory structure /mnt/sysimage
[05:08] <grn> http://wirelessness.wordpress.com/2007/02/07/installing-fedora-linux-on-a-dell-optiplex-320/
[05:09] <grn> thats the web page I am using
[05:09] <grn> and I'm running feisty 7.04
[05:09] <grn> sort of :)
[05:10] <bimberi> grn: you need to mount the partition to /mnt/sysimage first - 'sudo mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/sysimage'  (hda1 is a guess)
[05:11] <bimberi> ubuntu has lilo packages available too
[05:11] <bimberi> !info lilo
[05:11] <ubotu> lilo: LInux LOader - The Classic OS loader can load Linux and others. In component main, is optional. Version 1:22.6.1-9ubuntu2 (feisty), package size 342 kB, installed size 1088 kB
[05:12] <grn> I have the package I just don't know how to replace grup with lilo
[05:13] <bimberi> that page tells you
[05:13] <grn> can't find /dev/hda1 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab?
[05:14] <bimberi> install lilo, create a /etc/lilo.conf, 'lilo -v'
[05:14] <bimberi> 'sudo fdisk -l' will give a list of partitions on the hdd
[05:14] <grn> ok so I can skip that whole mounting
[05:15] <bimberi> no, you should mount and chroot, then install lilo ...
[05:16] <grn> sda1 id 83 linux, sda2 id 5 Extended, sda5 id 82 Linux Swap / Solaris
[05:16] <bimberi> cool, use sda1 instead of hda1
[05:17] <grn> sorry :(
[05:17] <bimberi> sorry?
[05:18] <bimberi> 'sudo mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/sysimage'
[05:18] <bimberi> actually you might nead to 'sudo mkdir /mnt/sysimage' first
[05:18] <grn> yeah
[05:19] <grn> where should /mnt/sysimage be
[05:19] <grn> nm
[05:20] <bimberi> good, i was struggling to answer that one :)
[05:21] <bimberi> grn: can I just verify that at the moment you are running from a LiveCD?
[05:23] <grn> yeah ...I switched from ubuntu@ubuntu to root@ubuntu with chroot /mnt/sysimage...that means the harddrive is my mounted to my live cd session or the livecd is using the harddrive file?
[05:23] <grn> files
[05:24] <grn> 1chroot
[05:24] <bimberi> yes
[05:24] <grn> !chroot
[05:24] <ubotu> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebootstrapChroot use this to build 32 bit environments on a 64 bit box
[05:24] <grn> which???
[05:24] <bimberi> oh sorry
[05:24] <grn> the hardrive mounted to my live cd
[05:25] <bimberi> well both sortof
[05:25] <bimberi> the kernel loaded from the livecd is now using the hard drive as the root filesystem
[05:26] <grn> ok so now I can load synaptic?
[05:28] <bimberi> ah .. sorry .. what I just said only applies where you typed the chroot command
[05:28] <bimberi> so you need to use apt-get within it
[05:28] <grn> so I naigate to /mnt/sysimage?
[05:28] <grn> navigate rather
[05:29] <bimberi> no, within the chroot that won't exist
[05:29] <bimberi> now you install lilo
[05:30] <grn> ok so should I use apt-get or sudo synaptic or it is one in the same?
[05:31] <bimberi> use apt-get.  I'm not sure that synaptic will work.  you could try - use 'gksudo synaptic' though
[05:32] <grn> sudo apt-get install lilo?
[05:33] <bimberi> yes
[05:34] <grn> "package lilo is not available, but is referred to by another package.  This may mean that the package is missingm has been obsolete, or it may only be available from another source"
[05:34] <grn> E: package lilo has no installation canadite
[05:35] <bimberi> hm, do you have internet access? eg. does 'ping google.com' work?
[05:35] <grn> yep
[05:35] <bimberi> try a 'apt-get update' and retry the install
[05:36] <grn> same
[05:37] <grn> is there a way to see if it already there?
[05:38] <grn> what if I just grab the tar from the webpage
[05:39] <grn> lilo.go.dyndns.org
[05:40] <bimberi> yes or try 'nano /etc/apt/sources.list', uncomment the line for the main repository, save, 'apt-get update' and retry the install
[05:48] <grn> this isn't working I unmarked the two lines but no change in error
[05:49] <grn> I have the tar but I don't know where to extract it so root can get at it..
[05:49] <bimberi> !info lilo
[05:49] <ubotu> lilo: LInux LOader - The Classic OS loader can load Linux and others. In component main, is optional. Version 1:22.6.1-9ubuntu2 (feisty), package size 342 kB, installed size 1088 kB
[05:49] <bimberi> hrm
[05:49] <bimberi> did you 'apt-get update'
[05:49] <bimberi> ?
[05:50] <grn> I show two dev dir do I extract to the .sysimage or the normal
[05:51] <bimberi> you can move it to /mnt/sysimage/tmp. Then you will be able to access it within the chroot
[05:52] <bimberi> ... at /tmp
[06:02] <grn> bimberi: can you assist me with the config of lilo...second part line 2...append=" pci=nomsi root=LABEL=/"
[06:02] <grn> is that suppose to be append=" pci  or append= "pci
[06:03] <grn> and is LABEL generic ... thats what I show when performing ls /boot
[06:03] <bimberi> i don't know lilo very well but I can guess :)
[06:04] <bimberi> i reckon append=" pci
[06:04] <bimberi> the leading space after the quote is probably important
[06:04] <bimberi> i think LABEL stays as LABEL
[06:05] <grn> the next line says initrd but I only show a file called initrd.img-2.6.20-15-generic.bak
[06:06] <grn> ohh well lets see what happens
[06:06] <bimberi> is that in /boot  (in the chroot)
[06:06] <grn> how can I tell?
[06:06] <bimberi> you need to make sure the map, image and initrd are correct (check in /boot in the chroot)
[06:07] <bimberi> 'ls /boot' in the chroot  - or 'ls /mnt/sysimage/boot' if not in the chroot
[06:15] <grn> awww  the last command to run lilo -v errors with /etc/lilo.conf file does not exist
[06:16] <grn> lilo runs and I am in /mnt/sysimage/etc and I have a lilo.conf
[06:16] <grn> but it tells me it is not here
[06:18] <grn> then I copied it to /etc and ran sudo lilo -v and it errors Fatal: Trying to map files from unamed device 0x0010 (NFS/RAID mirror down) ... I am guessing I am trying to write to the cd
[06:19] <grn> am I wrong?
[06:20] <bimberi> yes, you need to run this from within the chroot environment.  Have you been running commands in another terminal or something?
[06:20] <bimberi> the chroot environment will have a prompt 'root@ubuntu#'
[06:21] <grn> oops yeah sorry wrong terminal
[06:21] <bimberi> ah ha :)
[06:22] <grn> but I cannot install lilo to the chroot terminal
[06:22] <bimberi> what's the issue/error?
[06:22] <grn> what was the sources.list path again?
[06:23] <bimberi> /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:23] <grn> E: package lilo has no installation canidate
[06:24] <grn> I uncommented the two archive addresses in sources.list
[06:25] <grn> should I just add the lilo.go.dyndns.org to the list?
[06:25] <bimberi> open a new terminal and type 'sudo gedit /mnt/sysimage/etc/apt/sources.list' and make sure it has the deb line for main uncommented
[06:25] <bimberi> no
[06:25] <grn> so in the non chroot terminal right?
[06:26] <bimberi> yes, this time :)
[06:26] <bimberi> then back in the chroot, 'apt-get update && apt-get install lilo'
[06:29] <grn> it does
[06:29] <bimberi> ?
[06:29] <grn> well at least there are no deb lines commented
[06:29] <grn> several end in main
[06:30] <bimberi> the important one is the first one 'feisty main restricted'
[06:30] <grn> i.e. "deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu feisty-security main restricted
[06:30] <bimberi> yep, that one is useful too
[06:31] <grn> i.e. "deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu feisty main restricted
[06:31] <grn> that one?
[06:31] <bimberi> yes
[06:32] <grn> it is uncommented
[06:32] <bimberi> and yet still no success installing within the chroot?
[06:33] <grn> hmmm on the update it cannot resolve any of the addresses
[06:33] <bimberi> hmm, does 'ping google.com' works within the chroot?
[06:33] <bimberi> *work
[06:34] <grn> no unknown host....ahh I get it I have to have a static to run behind my server...but I have that configured for my live session
[06:35] <grn> so I have to configure this for the mnt too?
[06:35] <bimberi> give it a try
[06:36] <grn> where can I find a config file for the network settings in the mounted image...I did it through the GUI on the live
[06:37] <bimberi> hmm, actually I suspect networking from within the chroot won't work, here's an alternative...
[06:37] <grn> k
[06:38] <bimberi> open a terminal (yes non chroot) and 'sudo apt-get install -d lilo'
[06:38] <bimberi> argh, sorry that won't work
[06:39] <bimberi> but this should ...
[06:41] <bimberi> 'wget http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l/lilo/lilo_22.6.1-9ubuntu2_i386.deb'
[06:42] <grn> so sudo wget
[06:43] <bimberi> actually, good idea, 'cd /mnt/sysimage/tmp' then 'sudo wget...'
[06:43] <bimberi> this is from a non-chroot terminal (so that it is using the livecd's networking)
[06:44] <bimberi> then from your chroot terminal 'cd /tmp' and 'dpkg -i lilo*.deb'
[06:45] <bimberi> you might get an error on a dependency: mbr
[06:46] <bimberi> if so then 'wget http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/m/mbr/mbr_1.1.9-2_i386.deb' and install it first
[06:47] <grn> error 404 not found but it did connect to the address
[06:49] <grn> got it
[06:51] <bimberi> sorry, you've successfully downloaded?
[06:51] <grn> yes
[06:51] <bimberi> cool
[06:52] <grn> I guess I need to do something more.. it still does not run lilo -v
[06:53] <bimberi> so you've installed it in the chroot with 'dpkg -i' ?
[06:53] <grn> no I know nothing this is my first box I have had to tweek
[06:54] <bimberi> that's ok, i did say that earlier though
[06:54] <bimberi> 14:44 < bimberi> then from your chroot terminal 'cd /tmp' and 'dpkg -i lilo*.deb'
[06:59] <grn> ok so I had a dependecy error for mbr ..good looks on the heads up..got that out of the way but now   cat: /proc/partitions: No such file
[07:01] <bimberi> /proc/partitions won't exist in the chroot
[07:05] <grn> that error occurs when I run dpkg -i lilo*.deb in chroot
[07:05] <grn> how can I run the lilo install non chroot?
[07:10] <bimberi> found it - 'mount -t proc proc /proc'
[07:11] <bimberi> (in the chroot)
[07:11] <bimberi> then retry the dpkg
[07:11] <bimberi> command
[07:11] <bimberi> actually also do a 'mount -t sysfs sysfs /sys' as well
[07:13] <grn> ok it worked
[07:14] <grn> but now the final command to write lilo.conf to master boot record comes back Fatal: raid_setup: stat(*/dev/sda*
[07:15] <grn> ran lilo -v as chroot
[07:16] <bimberi> so you have raid?
[07:16] <grn> no
[07:16] <bimberi> oh
[07:17] <grn> I have no directory /dev/sda
[07:19] <grn> this is from the first line in the lilo.conf
[07:19] <grn> it reads boot=/dev/sda
[07:20] <grn> is it suppose to be something else?
[07:21] <bimberi> no, that's right. the issue is that /dev in the chroot isn't complete ...
[07:23] <bimberi> try this (in a non-chroot terminal) 'sudo mount -bind /dev /mnt/sysimage/dev'
[07:23] <bimberi> and retry 'lilo -v' (in the chroot)
[07:25] <grn> invalid option --b
[07:26] <bimberi> yes try:  --bind
[07:26] <grn> nm its --bind I thing
[07:26] <grn> think
[07:26] <grn> now mount: mount point mnt/sysimage/dev does not exist
[07:26] <bimberi> you need the leading /
[07:27] <bimberi> /mnt/sysimage/dev
[07:27] <grn> oops sorry
[07:27] <bimberi> and remember this is NOT in the chroot environment
[07:27] <bimberi> np :)
[07:30] <grn> is ls /boot supposed to be run from chroot or normal terminal to get boot files?
[07:30] <grn> I am getting an error that my vmlinuz is not found
[07:30] <bimberi> from chroot
[07:30] <grn> hmmm I copied
[07:32] <grn> nm
[07:35] <grn> ok I shouldn't need to do the video driver update right?
[07:35] <grn> I think I can just reboot
[07:35] <bimberi> yes, and cross fingers :)
[07:36] <grn> oh wait it still errors Fatal: open boot/vmlinuz-2.6.20-15-generic: No such file or directory
[07:38] <grn> ls /boot in chroot shows vmlinuz-2.6.20-15-generic
[07:40] <grn> lilo.conf reads:
[07:40] <grn> boot=/dev/sda
[07:40] <grn> map=/boot/System.map-2.6.20-15-generic
[07:40] <grn> prompt
[07:40] <grn> timeout=50
[07:40] <grn> lba32
[07:40] <grn> default=linux
[07:41] <grn> ...
[07:41] <grn> image=boot/vmlinuz-2.6.20-15-generic
[07:41] <bimberi> ah ha
[07:42] <bimberi>  /boot  not just boot
[07:42] <grn> arrr
[07:42] <grn> yeah
[07:43] <grn> thank you so much bimberi
[07:43] <bimberi> np, but lets see if it works first :)
[07:43] <grn> no errors
[07:44] <grn> back up copy of boot sector in /boot/boot.0800
[07:44] <grn> restarting
[07:48] <grn> it seems hung up
[07:49] <grn> 24.964276 drivers/usb/input/hid-core.c: v2.6:USB HID core driver
[07:51] <grn> ALERT: /dev.disk/by-label// does not exist dropping to shell.....yeah
[07:52] <grn> I at a initramfs prompt
[07:53] <grn> this doesn't really seem to be my file structure
[07:55] <bimberi> hm, i think it's google time
[07:55] <grn> yeah
[07:57] <grn> well it has to be an error in the lilo.conf right?
[07:58] <grn> you think it is that boot option append=" pci=nomsi root=LABEL=/
[08:00] <grn> is there a way to edit that lilo.config from initramfs?
[08:00] <bimberi> it might be. perhaps have a look in /boot/grub/menu.lst on your Ubuntu install to see what boot options it uses
[08:00] <bimberi> sorry, I don't know
[08:01] <grn> its ok
[08:01] <grn> so I would have to remount with the live cd?
[08:03] <bimberi> actually, I have a feisty install nearby - I'll paste them
[08:04] <bimberi> hmm
[08:06] <bimberi> it has     root=UUID=<a string of numbers and letters> ro quiet nosplash
[08:06] <bimberi> i'd forget the UUID thing for now
[08:08] <bimberi> so try this:  append=" pci=nomsi root=/dev/hda ro quiet splash"
[08:08] <bimberi> (nosplash was a typo earlier)
[08:08] <bimberi> argh ...
[08:08] <bimberi> so try this:  append=" pci=nomsi root=/dev/sda1 ro quiet splash"
[08:10] <grn> wait there is no splash
[08:11] <bimberi> that's what I have in my /boot/grub/menu.lst
[08:11] <grn> yeah but I don't have grub anymore
[08:12] <grn> do you want me to reboot with the live cd
[08:12] <bimberi> yes, i'm looking at the kernel boot options used by grub so we can mimic them in lilo
[08:13] <bimberi> and yes, unfortunately it means LiveCD, mounting the hdd, chrooting, mounting /proc /sys and /dev and all that :|
[08:16] <grn> ok so I am at the boot options
[08:16] <grn> you want me to add append=" pcinomsi root=/dev/sda1 ro quiet splash?
[08:17] <bimberi> yes, except mind the typo:  pci=nomsi
[08:17] <bimberi> and also the closing "
[08:31] <grn> ok so I mounted the drive and entered the lilo.conf
[08:32] <grn> the first line say boot=/dev/sda  that isn't suppose to be a sda1  that is what shows when I do sudo fdisk -l
[08:38] <bimberi> grn: it should be /dev/sda as far as I can tell
[08:39] <bimberi> grn: unfortunately I have to go now.  I hope you have some success with it
[08:39] <grn> ok thank you sooooo much
[08:39] <grn> starting to understand the filestructure
[08:40] <bimberi> grn: no worries.  I've learned a lot too :)
[08:49] <crazy_bus> is there going to be a package of kmathtool made for edubuntu?
[09:09] <Dheeraj_k> getting error while upgrading to feisty :(   (Could not calculate the upgrade)  apt log http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/20940/   main log http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/20939/
[10:40] <RichEd> Dheeraj_k: hi ... have you posted a request to edubuntu-dev ?
[11:32] <MM2> My ltsp-client gives "nfsmount: need a path" and won't boot up.
[11:32] <MM2> It loads pxelinux.0 ok and splash-screen, but screen1 gives that mount error
[11:32] <MM2> what to do?
[11:33] <MM2> I use windows dhcp-server...
[11:39] <MM2> and it worked :)))
[11:47] <RichEd> MM2: that's what we call legacy compatibility ;)
[11:47] <RichEd> you can ask ltsp questions in #ltsp ... edubuntu ltsp is the official ltsp 5.0 built by the people in that channel
[01:02] <cbx33> ping RichEd
[01:03] <RichEd> pong cbx33
[01:03] <cbx33> pm
[01:06] <cbx33> did i just drop out?
[01:09] <cbx33> can anyone hear me?
[01:11] <ajmitch> cbx33: nope
[01:11] <cbx33> hehe
[01:11] <cbx33> hey ajmitch
[01:11] <ajmitch> hi
[01:12] <cbx33> ok
[01:12] <cbx33> nn
 just seen this one line from you ...
[01:12] <cbx33> RichEd: can you hear me?
 <cbx33> can you hear me?
 last line was: <cbx33> been v.busy
[01:12] <cbx33> ahhh ok
[01:12] <cbx33> back to pm
[01:13] <cbx33> are you authenticated RichEd ?
[01:13] <cbx33> identified?
[01:14] <RichEd> cbx33: seems not
[01:14] <RichEd> doh ...
[01:14] <cbx33> heheh
[01:14] <RichEd> let me sort it out and then c&paste conversation
[01:14] <cbx33> hehe
[01:14] <cbx33> ok
[01:30] <bimberi> hi jsgotangco, congratulations on your CC appointment :)
[01:31] <jsgotangco> bimberi: thank you, work starts in a few hours heh
[01:31] <bimberi> :)
[01:35] <RichEd> cbx33: ping ?
[01:35] <jsgotangco> hey did anyone see the edubuntu review on zdnet education blogs
[01:42] <RichEd> jsgotangco: hi ... got a link for me ?
[01:43] <bimberi> nice headline - "Edubuntu update - it freakin rocks"
[01:43] <bimberi> hi RichEd
[01:44] <bimberi> http://education.zdnet.com/?p=1047  is that one
[01:44] <jsgotangco> http://education.zdnet.com/?p=1049
[01:44] <jsgotangco> yeah he made an update
[01:44] <jsgotangco> hehe
[01:44] <bimberi> ah yes :)
[01:45] <RichEd> cool ... lemme check it our
[01:45] <RichEd> *out
[01:47] <jsgotangco> ok i have to grab dinner first before the CC starts
[02:17] <JOnZ> Hello :D Im writing an exam about edubuntu. It's called Edubuntu in the danish public schools!
[02:18] <JOnZ> Any1 here?
[02:18] <kgoetz> yes, a number of people are
[02:18] <JOnZ> great:D
[02:19] <jsgotangco> exam?
[02:20] <JOnZ>  im studying 2 become an IT-engineer in Denmark.
[02:21] <JOnZ> ... & was wandering if there exist some work on how much u estimately can save on school (in publicschools this means taxmoney ofc), when u implement FOSS systems in schools?
[02:22] <JOnZ> **schoolbudget
[02:22] <kgoetz> i dont have any handy, but after UDS i suspect some people out there have those figures
[02:23] <JOnZ> UDS??
[02:23] <kgoetz> ubuntu developer summit
[02:23] <JOnZ> aha
[02:24] <RichEd> JOnZ: hi there ... i'm the education programme lead ... i may be able to help
[02:24] <RichEd> JOnZ: when are you writing the exam ?
[02:24] <JOnZ> ATM^^
[02:25] <RichEd> right now ?
[02:25] <MerlinZShell> hello guys
[02:25] <MerlinZShell> how can i switch my ubuntu to edubuntu
[02:25] <JOnZ> yes.. Actually im writing an economical projekt ATM about my main examprojekt which is; Edubuntu ;)
[02:26] <RichEd> hi MerlinZShell
[02:26] <MerlinZShell> RichEd: hi
[02:26] <RichEd> MerlinZShell: you download and install the edubuntu-desktop package
[02:27] <JOnZ> Im doing my own calculations right now about how much copenhagen can save if they shfit 2 Edubuntu
[02:27] <MerlinZShell> ok after doing that if i want to switch back to ubuntu how can i do that
[02:27] <RichEd> JOnZ: I can give you some ideas on what the savings would be ... but it is difficult to do a direct cost comparison
[02:27] <JOnZ> Im writing this on my laptop w, edubuntu ofc
[02:27] <RichEd> MerlinZShell: ogra will be able to help with that ... or highvoltage ... they are hot on that topic (much more so thatn me)
[02:27] <RichEd> *than
[02:28] <highvoltage> hey RichEd and JOnZ
[02:28] <RichEd> speak of the Electrical Devil : hey highvoltage
[02:28] <RichEd> JOnZ: there is one set of equations if you switch existing h/w to FLOSS ... and then you save future licence costs
[02:29] <MerlinZShell> highvoltage: seems to be dangerouse
[02:29] <RichEd> but the real benefit is if you start your Edbuntu school from a zero base ... since you can buy lower spec h/w and save license costs
[02:30] <highvoltage> heh :)
[02:30] <JOnZ> i know that & have the prices from that, what i specifically need is some sort of comparison, to my own calculations
[02:30] <RichEd> if you design around LTSP environment, you can save even more per workstation spec purchase price
[02:30] <highvoltage> JOnZ: I know what our LTSP labs in South Africa cost, but unfortunately I don't have many price comparisons for Windows labs
[02:31] <JOnZ> I do design it around LTSP, because it saves alot of installation work:D
[02:31] <RichEd> and the management costs of LTSP are much lower, you only ever update a server, and the workstations are just plug out and plug in
[02:31] <RichEd> *snap* :)
[02:31] <JOnZ> i have the pricing i windows from DK, u want??
[02:31] <highvoltage> JOnZ: indeed. and you save more from the maintenance post-installation than from your actual hardware cost savings
[02:32] <RichEd> JOnZ: I would love a copy of your paper, and we can comment for you ? how does that sound ?
[02:32] <highvoltage> JOnZ: it might be useful, yes. could you make it public? I'm wondering if it can go into a wiki page so that others can share local pricing there as well.
[02:32] <RichEd> it will be useful for us to have your study, and we can help you improve it ?
[02:32] <RichEd> *snap* :)
[02:32] <kgoetz> hi all
[02:33] <JOnZ> in Copenhagen Public schools they pay 340 dkr (must b around 35) per machine p.a., they administer appr. 14000 pc's.....
[02:33] <MerlinZShell> is there a way to switch back to ubuntu desktop without removing edubuntu desktop
[02:33] <MerlinZShell> and edubuntu-artwork
[02:33] <JOnZ> I write it in danish :s
[02:34] <JOnZ> sry kgoetz^^
[02:34] <RichEd> JOnZ: perhaps we can find someone to translate
[02:35] <JOnZ> I can translate it, will take some time, but i promiss i will do it over the summer if i get my wireless internet working this summer(w. or with ubuntu^^)
[02:36] <RichEd> JOnZ: so then the quick answer is that we do not have any immediate help I can give you, but perhaps we can work to help each other more slowly. It would be good if you can send me an email about your project and your studies.
[02:37] <RichEd> We are always keen to find out education institutions that are using or studying edubuntu or ubuntu ...
[02:37] <JOnZ> Is there a danish IRC channel??
[02:37] <RichEd> * note : I can always put your paper through google translate and read it that way ?
[02:37] <JOnZ> u might b able 2, yes
[02:38] <RichEd> also: check this article out for some human benefits of open source ... this is by our ubuntu community manager Jono Bacon
[02:38] <RichEd> http://www.jonobacon.org/?p=687
[02:38] <kgoetz> for some value of 'read'
[02:38] <JOnZ> Must sya i love (ed)ubuntu :D
[02:38] <JOnZ> **say
[02:38] <kgoetz> wonder if the catheral and the bazaar is in .dk
[02:38] <RichEd> JOnZ: looking for the Danish Loco team info for you now
[02:38] <JOnZ> tyvm!
[02:39] <RichEd>  Denmark
[02:39] <RichEd> 
[02:39] <RichEd> NielsKjllerHansen
[02:39] <RichEd> 
[02:39] <RichEd> DanishTeam
[02:39] <RichEd> 
[02:39] <RichEd> #ubuntu-dk
[02:39] <RichEd> 
[02:39] <RichEd> [MAILTO]  ubuntu-dk@lists.ubuntu.com
[02:39] <RichEd> 
[02:39] <RichEd> [WWW]  http://ubuntudanmark.dk/forum
[02:39] <RichEd> 
[02:39] <RichEd> None
[02:39] <RichEd> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeamList
[02:40] <RichEd> we're taking over every place you may live :)
[02:40] <JOnZ> Id really love that:D
[02:40] <RichEd> see the last reference for the list of loco teams with proper embedded links for the info pasted
[02:40] <JOnZ> ..But no edubuntu-dk?!
[02:41] <RichEd> JOnZ: send me an introduction email to: richard@ubuntu.com please
[02:41] <JOnZ> In danish?!
[02:41] <kgoetz> JOnZ: most teams only have one extra chanel, all llocalised stuff is done in that channel
[02:41] <kgoetz> afaik
[02:42] <RichEd> just a few words in english will be fine ... and then I may ask you specific questions
[02:42] <RichEd> JOnZ: we are about to ask each Loco team to nominate an education representative ... perhaps you would like to join the Danish Loco and then take the job ;)
[02:43] <JOnZ> ok, tyvm 4 the info, ill send u some, I might not have the extra ressources to do it, before after the weekend as im delivering the written economic exam monday...
[02:44] <jsgotangco> good luck!
[02:44] <JOnZ> Im willing to be the education representative, id be honored in fact :D
[02:48] <RichEd> JOnZ: no rush ... send me an email ... [ hi This is JOnZ from Denmark, student, edubuntu project, more later ]  and I will confirm receipt
[02:49] <RichEd> and I would advise you to check out that page from Jono I posted ... it will help you with a good introduction and conclusion paragraph ...
[02:52] <JOnZ> im on the jono page atm, it look awesome 4 my project, once again thx m8!
[02:52] <RichEd> willvdl: hey hey back in ZA ?
[02:53] <willvdl> RichEd, yes. bit of a mare coming back...
[02:53] <RichEd> JOnZ: I can send you a summary of the jono page ... and also some benefits of open source ... i'll need your email address
[02:53] <RichEd> willvdl: what happened ? people with exploding shoes / toothpaste ?
[02:53] <JOnZ> lol
[02:54] <willvdl> my bags went one way
[02:54] <willvdl> me the other
[02:54] <JOnZ> im trying do send some info on the danish edubuntu channel, but appantly no1 is ther atm...
[02:54] <willvdl> and I picked up some nasty flu bug over those 12 hours
[02:55] <RichEd> they took my exploding toothpaste away from me ... i could have had my own tv channel, and religious movement, with some cool demands and 70++ virgins lined up :(
[02:55] <kgoetz> :(
[02:55] <kgoetz> JOnZ: try #ubuntu-dk, not #edubuntu-dk
[02:57] <RichEd> JOnZ: email address please ? or send an email to richard@ubuntu.com ... I can send you some info right now ... in 5 mins I will be off on another issue !
[02:58] <willvdl> RichEd, it's as sad thing when they take a man's toothpaste from him
[02:59] <RichEd> willvdl: are you madly busy today ? have a chunk for you to tackle on the applications pipeline
[02:59] <highvoltage> hey willvdl. recovered yet? :)
[03:00] <JOnZ> jonasgauguin@gmail.com
[03:00] <willvdl> highvoltage, bit groggy but good to go
[03:00] <willvdl> RichEd, shoot. it was what I wanted to work on anyway
[03:00] <highvoltage> willvdl: ok, I'll come by in about two weeks, I'm in Jo'burg this week and next week.
[03:01] <RichEd> JOnZ: will send mail now ...
[03:02] <RichEd> willvdl: will send mail now ...
[03:02] <JOnZ> tyvvm:D
[03:03] <RichEd> JOnZ: Are you any \relation to mr van Gogh's painting companion ?
[03:04] <JOnZ> Yes he was my greatgreatgrandfather!
[03:06] <JOnZ> I seem 2 share some of his idealogical beliefs, but lack in painting... Am a musician though, so art still seems to be in the genes;)
[03:12] <RichEd> damn adsl reset
[03:13] <RichEd> JOnZ: Interesting ... I saw the exhibition in Amsterdam in 2001 which was Gaugin and van Gogh side by side timeline of paintings ... very moving indeed.
[03:13] <kgoetz> wb
[03:13] <RichEd> willvdl: I'll send the mail now ... but am still clarifying the overall process with ogra ...
[03:14] <RichEd> So I may come back with some modified comments as to the exact process, bt you can starting thinking about it in the meanwhile.
[03:15] <JOnZ> I have a webpage (made w. frontpage im ashamed 2 say), w. abit info about myself & family: www.jonasgauguin.dk
[03:16] <kgoetz> RichEd: i'm going to go to bed - do you want me to email you what i just PMed you? i assume you didnt get it?
[03:16] <kgoetz> (sorry to interupt you both)
[03:16] <JOnZ> np.
[03:17] <RichEd> kgoetz: let me go back to the msg to let you know what I got ... we can resume the conversation around it tomorrow
[03:18] <JOnZ> im leaving too, gotta go get kids, tyvm 2 u all 4 helping me out... CYA!
[03:18] <kgoetz> see you again JOnZ :)
[03:19] <kgoetz> RichEd: dont think i'll be able to make it on tomorrow, but i look forward to following up with you in the next few days
[03:20] <RichEd> soon is kool kgoetz ... will tell you about the Ubuntu Academy initiaitive ... may be some synergy down under ... we have no Auz or NZ uni in focus yet
[03:20] <RichEd> sleep well
[03:20] <kgoetz> thanks, i look forward to hearing about it :)
[03:21] <RichEd> JOnZ: mail on its way ... I also found a 287 page document entitled:                   Study on the:
[03:21] <RichEd>     Economic impact of open source software
[03:21] <RichEd>  on innovation and the competitiveness of the
[03:21] <RichEd> Information and Communication Technologies
[03:21] <RichEd>             (ICT) sector in the EU
[03:21] <RichEd> so hope you enjoy the reading
[03:23] <juliux> hi RichEd
[03:23] <juliux> willvdl, ping
[03:23] <willvdl> juliux, pong
[03:23] <JOnZ> thx again:D
[03:24] <juliux> willvdl, hi, did you have something about edubuntu what we can print in din a0 for the linuxtag ?
[03:25] <RichEd> hi juliux ...
[03:25] <willvdl> juliux, there is something I can revive. It was never finished but let me see what I can find
[03:25] <juliux> willvdl, thxs
[03:26] <juliux> willvdl, linuxtag starts 29th june ;)
[03:26] <willvdl> not too long now
[03:27] <sbalneav> Morning all
[03:27] <juliux> willvdl, i mean 29th may i am sorry :(
[03:27] <juliux> willvdl, so two weeks left
[03:28] <willvdl> yeah, we worked on something for a launch down here but it was never finished
[03:28] <willvdl> I'll see if I can find it.
[03:30] <RichEd> mr sbalneav sir ...
[03:30] <sbalneav> At ease, men.
[03:40] <juliux> willvdl, many thanks
[03:40] <juliux> willvdl, i can print to posters and can give one ogra so he can bring that to every bigger event;)
[03:40] <juliux> s/tow/to
[03:41] <willvdl> okie
[03:56] <rockprincess> hello all!
[03:58] <rockprincess> tried installing feisty on a school computer day, i was told to keep the windows partition and therefore tried to set it up as a dual boot, but then installation aborted at 94% all of the sudden. it said grub couldn't be installed....hmmm
[04:00] <rockprincess> *today
[04:05] <rockprincess> any ideas?
[04:11] <RichEd> hi rockprincess ...
[04:11] <RichEd> do you have enough space in the boot partition HDD ?
[04:12] <RichEd> is there any chance that the install tried to write the grub menu to a partition where it has no Write rights ?
[04:12] <RichEd> my 2 guesses :) may be way off track
[04:14] <t94xr-lappy> educational applications for a 9yr old girls system, any suggestions? i've already got the ones in add remove she would like - any others that would be useful?
[04:18] <RichEd> t94xr-lappy: I can send you a document with a bunch of applications listed ... with resources ... funnily enough it's a doc from down under :)
[04:20] <t94xr-lappy> lawl
[04:20] <SimonAnibal> Lal? Data's daughter?
[04:20] <SimonAnibal> erm, my geek is showing...
[04:21] <t94xr-lappy> well i just chucked a 10mbit card in
[04:21] <t94xr-lappy> she had 98 before
[04:21] <t94xr-lappy> she has a p2-450
[04:21] <t94xr-lappy> with a 192
[04:21] <t94xr-lappy> so im like eh she wants dsl - shes 9 - eh edubuntu!
[04:22] <RichEd> t94xr-lappy: the only condition is that I'd like you to let me know what was good / bad / ugly from what you decide to try out ... do we have a deal
[04:22] <t94xr-lappy> definately...
[04:22] <t94xr-lappy> cuz i'll be writing a bash script - so next time i dont have to waste time
[04:22] <RichEd> :) this is part of an overall process we are building right now ... and it would help us greatly
[04:23] <rockprincess> hi Riched! yes that could be possible, because the whole linux partition is only 16 gb.....i've made three partions, / being 5gb, swap being 700mb and the rest is /home......i think 60gb is for the windows partition...
[04:23] <t94xr-lappy> i already got one kinda ready for my lazy ass when i do server installations
[04:23] <RichEd> t94xr-lappy: send an email to richard@ubuntu.com with app selection for kids ... and I'll send the doc right away
[04:23] <t94xr-lappy> holey shit
[04:23] <t94xr-lappy> ur a ubuntu dev?
[04:24] <rockprincess> RichEd: the windows partition is in ntfs....
[04:24] <rockprincess> i tried to install grub manually in a shell. but sudo grub-install /dev/sda
[04:25] <RichEd> t94xr-lappy: I am the Education Programme Manager for Canonical ... ubuntu / edubuntu ...
[04:25] <t94xr-lappy> you definately have a deal then!! :)
[04:25] <RichEd> Not a developer ... more a relationship and requirements person ... Our dev rock is ogra ... he's like 80% of the edubuntu code
[04:26] <t94xr-lappy> whoa
[04:26] <RichEd> ping willvdl
[04:26] <willvdl> pong
[04:26] <t94xr-lappy> email is sent
[04:26] <t94xr-lappy> u should have it by now
[04:27] <SimonAnibal> RichEd, You're like, a rock star, man ;-)
[04:27] <t94xr-lappy> lawl
[04:27] <rockprincess> here ;)
[04:28] <RichEd> w00t :)
[04:28] <t94xr-lappy> http://linux.t94xr.ath.cx/server-config
[04:28] <t94xr-lappy> this is my lil bash script
[04:28] <t94xr-lappy> not finished yet
[04:28] <t94xr-lappy> still gota do its first run
[04:29] <t94xr-lappy> i plan to do one with edubuntu so i can do systems by scripting them - well thats the idea
[04:29] <t94xr-lappy> only what u would get from a lazy ass like me
[04:30] <rockprincess> t94xr-lappy: what does this script do?
[04:32] <t94xr-lappy> sets up a server for me
[04:32] <t94xr-lappy> well when u remove most of the comments
[04:32] <t94xr-lappy> and i've got to sort out the smb.conf and the 000-defualt for apache2
[04:32] <rockprincess> t94xr-lappy: cool, surely i'd have to change the username?!
[04:33] <t94xr-lappy> ... uh yah?
[04:33] <t94xr-lappy> if u wanna use it
[04:33] <rockprincess> # USER DEFINED VARIABLES
[04:33] <rockprincess> USERNAME="t94xr"
[04:33] <t94xr-lappy> but its like way not finished
[04:33] <rockprincess> ahh i see
[04:33] <t94xr-lappy> u can modify it
[04:34] <t94xr-lappy> just leave the ones that are reliant on me commented or removed or change it
[04:34] <t94xr-lappy> im just lazy and my mate is gonna let me run the script live on his server in the UK via ssh
[04:35] <t94xr-lappy> so yeah any lil things i've forgotten - i'll have them sorted
[04:35] <rockprincess> nice one :) well done!
[04:35] <t94xr-lappy> i did ms-dos batch scripting as a kid so it isnt far out of the concept of that realm
[04:35] <rockprincess> i'm gonna have to look how to setup samba with a windows network...
[04:36] <t94xr-lappy> easy, run my smb.conf if u wanna lawl
[04:36] <rockprincess> lawl?
[04:36] <t94xr-lappy> lol
[04:37] <t94xr-lappy> same thing
[04:37] <rockprincess> where do i find your smb.conf?
[04:37] <t94xr-lappy> http://linux.t94xr.ath.cx/edgy/
[04:38] <SimonAnibal> RichEd, I think work's going to pay to send me NECC this year <http://center.uoregon.edu/ISTE/NECC2007/>
[04:39] <RichEd> SimonAnibal: cool ... no time to look at link now ... superswamped and running approx 10 threads
[04:39] <RichEd> t94xr-lappy: mail sent ... lemme know what you think
[04:39] <SimonAnibal> heh, no worries, I just thought you might want to be aware of it. National Educational Computer Coordinator's Conference, largest of its kind in the world, I'm told
[04:40] <t94xr-lappy> im not the 9yr old girl
[04:40] <rockprincess> t94xr-lappy: what does smb.conf do? is there any risk running it?
[04:40] <t94xr-lappy> no
[04:40] <SimonAnibal> smb.conf is the configuration file for samba
[04:40] <SimonAnibal> it's located in the /etc/samba directory
[04:40] <t94xr-lappy> just cp /etc/samba/smb.conf /etc/samba/smb.conf.backup
[04:40] <rockprincess> ahh ok
[04:41] <SimonAnibal> when you make changes, you should run testparm to double-check that everything works
[04:41] <t94xr-lappy> and mv smb.conf /etc/samba/smb.conf
[04:41] <t94xr-lappy> we do?
[04:41] <rockprincess> SimonAnibal: what
[04:41] <rockprincess> SimonAnibal: what's testparm?
[04:41] <t94xr-lappy> would the fact that i have it running live hurt?
[04:42] <SimonAnibal> if you make a change to /etc/samba/smb.conf it won't be taken into account until you restart samba
[04:42] <rockprincess> t94xr-lappy: ok, and then I'm set?!
[04:42] <rockprincess> ahh ok!
[04:42] <SimonAnibal> testparm just checks the smb.conf file to make sure everything's formatted correctly
[04:42] <t94xr-lappy> well no
[04:42] <t94xr-lappy> rockprincess, u will have to modify the workgroup if u run in a MSHOME workgroup or whatever and the shares
[04:42] <SimonAnibal> in order to have your changes take effect, you'll need to "sudo /etc/init.d/samba restart"
[04:42] <t94xr-lappy> theres a login protected one and a guest open share
[04:46] <rockprincess> hmm this only enables me to view and copy&paste things onto a windows network, but somehow the windows network cannot see my linux machine....so it doesn't work the other way round, if that makes sense?!
[04:47] <SimonAnibal> Do you have the samba package installed?
[04:48] <SimonAnibal> Ubuntu comes with the samba CLIENT stuff by default so you can connect to Windows shares out of the box, but in order to CREATE a Windows share you'll need the SERVER stuff, too. The "samba" package, dig?
[04:49] <t94xr-lappy> rockprincess, find someone u trust to help you understand things, aided with a ssh screen session where you both are connected to - best way if u want guided tutorials :)
[05:12] <RichEd> rockprincess: that's a very old "linux way ahead of MSFT" example ... linux machines have always been able to read a Linux or MSFT floppy, stiffy, or CD
[05:12] <RichEd> whereas MSFT has been able to read MSFT
[05:12] <RichEd> MSFT Office reads propietary format documents
[05:13] <t94xr-lappy> RichEd, how big is the email u sent me?
[05:13] <RichEd> Open Office reads and writes either format
[05:13] <RichEd> t94xr: checking now
[05:21] <rockprincess> RichEd: do you think there's any way how I could fix my Grub problem? I mean the grub error doesn't give too much information away, it was just a short message when it aborted at 94%...
[05:21] <RichEd> rockprincess: you'd need to post to edubuntu-devel mail list for reliable help
[05:22] <RichEd> (if no one here is volunteering help at the moment)
[05:24] <SimonAnibal> What's the grub error message?
[05:26] <rockprincess> SimonAnibal: "the execution of <<grub install>> has failed. this is a serious problem." roughly translated into english
[05:26] <SimonAnibal> I agree
[05:26] <SimonAnibal> So, you're left without a working system?
[05:27] <rockprincess> umm yeah, i have windows xp on the first partition and wanted to install edubuntu feisty on the 2nd one.....
[05:29] <SimonAnibal> Ok, so you got to the GRUB install point, and it died, so now it boots up only into XP?
[05:29] <rockprincess> yep, indeed!
[05:29] <SimonAnibal> Alright, I think I can help
[05:30] <SimonAnibal> I'll need you to boot into a Live CD environment
[05:30] <SimonAnibal> ideally the same Live CD you used to install from
[05:31] <rockprincess> ok, that should be possible....but unfortunately I don't have access to IRC in school (i do have access to internet, but the irc ports are being blocked by a firewall...)
[05:31] <rockprincess> what shall I do when I've booted the LIVE CD?
[05:31] <SimonAnibal> You'll need to pull up a terminal window and run "sudo grub"
[05:32] <rockprincess> ah ok, and then?
[05:32] <SimonAnibal> Now, do you remember if it's /dev/hda, with Windows XP on /dev/hda1 and Ubuntu on /dev/hda2?
[05:33] <SimonAnibal> or /dev/sda
[05:33] <rockprincess> yeah /dev/sda1 is definitly win xp and /dev/sda2 should be edubuntu
[05:33] <SimonAnibal> Cool, I'll brb
[05:33] <rockprincess> that's how i noted it on my sheet in school
[05:35] <SimonAnibal> ok, and did Edubuntu itself resize the partition for you?
[05:36] <SimonAnibal> during the install, I mean
[05:37] <rockprincess> i chose to resize it manually as I didn't want to risk to loose anything....I then resized /dev/sda2 to 5gb as /, 700mb as swap and the rest of it being around 10gb as /home
[05:37] <RichEd> t94xr-lappy: damn mail is 12 MB
[05:37] <RichEd> file is chunky ...
[05:37] <RichEd> is a web site download better for you ?
[05:37] <t94xr-lappy> na it'll be in my box by morning
[05:38] <t94xr-lappy> its 3:38am here
[05:38] <t94xr-lappy> lawl
[05:38] <SimonAnibal> ok, so the /boot directory would be in your /dev/sda2 partition, right?
[05:38] <RichEd> t94xr-lappy: got a rejection ... jour mail box she is fool
[05:39] <t94xr-lappy> oh - website then
[05:39] <rockprincess> SimonAnibal: i guess, how could i make sure is in /dev/sda2?
[05:39] <SimonAnibal> ok, so, you run "sudo grub" and it drops you to a "grub>" prompt
[05:40] <SimonAnibal> there, you run "find /boot/grub/stage1"
[05:40] <SimonAnibal> My GUESS is it'll say (hd0,1)
[05:40] <SimonAnibal> IF SO, your next command will be "root (hd0,1)"
[05:40] <SimonAnibal> and then "setup (hd0)"
[05:41] <t94xr-lappy> upload it to a localhost im sure u have at ur place :P
[05:41] <RichEd> i'll mail you a link ... will upload it to the ubuntu wiki ... unless you can give me a quick FTP site ?
[05:42] <rockprincess> SimonAnibal: ok, so far so good. and what will I have to do then?
[05:42] <SimonAnibal> rockprincess, Edubuntu should have set up /boot/grub/menu.lst with the necessary information to boot to both Windows XP or Ubuntu, and will default to the Ubuntu option unless you go in and "sudo gedit /boot/grub/menu.lst" and change the "default" switch to point to the Windows XP option
[05:42] <SimonAnibal> rockprincess, reboot
[05:42] <SimonAnibal> :-)
[05:43] <RichEd> thanks dude from me and rockprincess
[05:43] <rockprincess> yeah HUGE thank you to Simon!!!
[05:43] <SimonAnibal> Heh, just paying it forward
[05:43] <SimonAnibal> You do the same and we're square
[05:43] <rockprincess> I'll give it a try tomorrow, your badge is well deserved :)
[05:44] <t94xr-lappy> na i havent got  ftp anywhere other than my website
[05:44] <SimonAnibal> In the unlikely event you have a problem, make sure you jot down any and all error messages
[05:44] <RichEd> t94xr-lappy: up loading to wiki ... will mail you the link
[05:44] <rockprincess> SimonAnibal: is there any chance to reach you on jabber or through email? because that stuff works in school as well ;)
[05:45] <SimonAnibal> Sure, simon.a.ruiz at gmail
[05:45] <rockprincess> cheers, Simon! :)
[05:45] <SimonAnibal> cheers
[05:45] <SimonAnibal> Boy, all that talking about GRUB has made me hungry ;-)
[05:46] <SimonAnibal> off to lunch!
[05:46] <rockprincess> do you think Edubuntu has installed fully, because it aborted at 94%......will i have to install it again after these grub commands?
[05:46] <SimonAnibal> Mmmm, if it got as far as GRUB, my inkling is you've got a functional system
[05:46] <rockprincess> excellent :) thank you!
[05:46] <SimonAnibal> I think what it does after that is remove unnecessary language packs
[05:47] <SimonAnibal> which won't HURT anything to have on, but you might want to go in Synaptic and remove them manually
[05:47] <SimonAnibal> talk to ya later!
[05:48] <rockprincess> hehe ok :) cannot wait to try it tomorrow :)
[08:45] <willvdl> hey ogra, catching up on sleep yet? :)
[08:57] <bddebian> Heya
[09:57] <jbrefort> hey LaserJock
[09:58] <LaserJock> jbrefort: oh cool, I was looking for you
[09:58] <jbrefort> ;)
[10:08] <willvdl> ogra ping
[10:08] <willvdl> LaserJock, heya
[10:08] <LaserJock> hi willvdl
[10:09] <willvdl> do you know where I can find seed files?
[10:10] <LaserJock> yep
[10:10] <willvdl> thought so
[10:10] <LaserJock> https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/ubuntu-seeds/edubuntu.gutsy
[10:11] <willvdl> https://code.launchpad.net/ubuntu-seeds/ is a bit funny to navigate
[10:12] <LaserJock> you can either use the code browser
[10:12] <LaserJock> or use bzr
[10:15] <willvdl> https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/ubuntu-seeds/edubuntu.feisty just shows the changes
[10:15] <willvdl> not the actual seed file contents
[10:17] <LaserJock> well, if you click on the latest revision you should be able to browse the contents
[10:18] <willvdl> aha
[10:18] <willvdl> http://codebrowse.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/ubuntu-seeds/edubuntu.feisty/files
[10:44] <willvdl> Burgundavia, hey
[10:44] <Burgundavia> hey willvdl