[12:34] <nixternal> Riddell: rockin'! I will work up something here in a bit, I need an ice bath
[02:23] <jjesse> evening
[10:28] <Tonio_> heya :-)
[10:28] <Hobbsee> hey Tonio_!!!
[10:28] <Tonio_> how are you Hobbsee ? how was the flights to come back ?
[10:29] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: pretty jetlagged
[10:29] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: it took 36 hours, 4 and a bit planes, 3 trains, 1 taxi, and one car.
[10:29] <Tonio_> OMFG !
[10:29] <Hobbsee> hehe, yes.
[10:30] <Hobbsee> woulda been 2 trains, except that i couldnt figure the one i was supposed to catch, as it didnt seem to be on the list
[10:30] <crimsun> "and a bit" sounds ominous.
[10:30] <Hobbsee> so i caught 1 to a quieter station, then switched.
[10:30] <crimsun> like 1/25th of a plane.  Is that like a floatation cushion from a seat?
[10:31] <Hobbsee> crimsun: we taxi'd out of singapore airport, but decided not to take off
[10:31] <Hobbsee> carrier pidgeons went on strike.
[10:31] <crimsun> oooh, nice.
[10:31] <Hobbsee> yep
[10:31] <Hobbsee> so they eventually took us back to the airport, to wait in the terminal for a while long
[10:31] <Hobbsee> er
[10:32] <Hobbsee> and do duty free shopping :P
[10:32] <Hobbsee> (yay, chocolate)
[10:36] <hunger> Gutsy stopped to print:-(
[10:36] <crimsun> is that better or worse than not stopping at all?
[10:37] <hunger> crimsun: worse than not stopping at all but way better than generic stopping.
[10:37] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: i think i really should move to germany, or something.
[10:39] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: hehe :)
[11:24] <mhb> Hobbsee's coming to Linuxtag?
[11:25] <mhb> aww, I thought I could come :o)
[11:26] <Hobbsee> mhb: nope
[11:26] <Hobbsee> mhb: go ahead
[11:26] <Hobbsee> allee: hehe :)
[11:26] <Hobbsee> allee: i wish.  wont happen for a while yet
[11:27] <allee> Hobbsee: have you checked your time table?   E.g. meeting next Wednesday?
[11:27] <Hobbsee> allee: no, but i really should do that.
[11:27] <mhb> meeting?
[11:27] <mhb> yay!
[11:27] <mhb> :o)
[11:27] <allee> Tonio_: ^^ next wednesday?
[11:28] <Tonio_> allee: go for it ;)
[11:28] <Hobbsee> what time were you thinking?
[11:28] <Hobbsee> 2100utc or whatever?
[11:28] <allee> Hobbsee: sounds good
[11:28] <mhb> allee: is there any agenda?
[11:28] <Hobbsee> allee: will have to check time differences, iirc
[11:29] <Hobbsee> mhb: there will be
[11:29] <allee> mhb: not jet, feel free to add anything you want
[11:29] <mhb> I just checked the Meetings page
[11:30] <fdoving> anyone up for some usb-safely-remove testing?
[11:34] <doc__> hi there
[11:35] <Hobbsee> hiya
[11:37] <allee> fdoving: can it be tested in feisty?
[11:38] <fdoving> allee: yes, i have not tested it in gutsy.
[11:38] <fdoving> allee: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/61946/comments/65
[11:38] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 61946 in kdebase "[Edgy Data Loss]  umount progress dialog missing" [High,Fix released] 
[11:40] <allee> fdoving: I've a look later (user-problem-interrupt)
[11:41] <fdoving> allee: thanks :)
[11:42] <allee> raphink: ping. Meeting?
[11:43] <sebas> allee got home safely?
[11:43] <allee> sebas: yet.  I even managed to miss no flight, bus ;)
[11:43] <allee> sebas: how was your weekend in Sevilla?
[11:45] <raphink> hi allee
[11:45] <Tonio_> fdoving: talking about that.....
[11:45] <Tonio_> fdoving: is there a way to use the "sync" command before unmounting ?
[11:46] <Tonio_> that avoids the issue and dataloss
[11:46] <fdoving> Tonio_: sure, but it should be unneccesary, as umount does that by itself.
[11:46] <Tonio_> imagin you launch the unmounting window, then perform a sync, then unmount
[11:46] <Tonio_> fdoving: yes but crashes sometimes...
[11:46] <allee> raphink: next wednesday?  21 utc?  (<- I'm sure Hobbsee changes it after calculating local time ;)
[11:46] <Hobbsee> it'll be then, give or take a couple of hours
[11:46] <raphink> hmmm I could try to be there
[11:46] <raphink> I can't promise
[11:47] <allee> raphink: okay,  Try your best ;)
[11:47] <raphink> I'm very busy lately
[11:47] <allee> Tonio_: umount always sync implicitely
[11:47] <fdoving> Tonio_: there was a commit to kio_meida_mounthelper some weeks ago upstream, changed some of the error messages among other things. that might be related.
[11:47] <Tonio_> allee: ok
[11:48] <fdoving> Tonio_: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=143353#c6
[11:48] <ubotu> KDE bug 143353 in general ""safely remove" unmounts usb flash disk while it is still in use (flashing)" [Normal,Resolved: fixed] 
[11:48] <Tonio_> fdoving: that replaces the patch we currently use right ?
[11:49] <fdoving> Tonio_: when we get that, and my new and fancy kio-umountwrapper, yes.
[11:49] <allee> Tonio_: there are two problem: people removing to early (fdovin patch) and people never remove it because the usb light does not go off ;)
[11:49] <fdoving> Tonio_: the upstream patch does not make a progress dialog.
[11:49] <Tonio_> fdoving: can it be use with your current patch or is there a problem with it ? can help a lot with the french parliament :)
[11:49] <fdoving> Tonio_: i've made a new wrapper for that, replacing my feisty-patch to kdebase. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/61946/comments/65
[11:49] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 61946 in kdebase "[Edgy Data Loss]  umount progress dialog missing" [High,Fix released] 
[11:50] <fdoving> Tonio_: my current feisty-patch is not very good. i've repalced it with a separate wrapper-app. as described in that comment.
[11:51] <fdoving> Tonio_: the new wrapper appears instantly among other things.
[11:51] <Tonio_> fdoving: so the point is : use your new package, remove your kdebase patch and use the kde bts patch instead right ?
[11:51] <fdoving> Tonio_: correct.
[11:52] <Tonio_> fdoving: great, will test that this afternoon :)
[11:54] <fdoving> Tonio_: nice, let me know what you think of the new dialog, also, if the speed of the progress-thing is OK or too fast.
[11:54] <Tonio_> fdoving: no need of a patch or something to call the wrapper ?
[11:55] <fdoving> Tonio_: no, currently i divert the media_safelyremove.desktop files from konqueror and dolphin, and supply own copies with the umount command modified.
[11:55] <Tonio_> fdoving: there is certainly something to patch in kdebase in any case right ?
[11:55] <Tonio_> fdoving: that's in your package right ?
[11:55] <fdoving> Tonio_: yes.
[11:55] <Tonio_> ok, I will repackage this
[11:56] <fdoving> Tonio_: you can repackage kdebase with the upstream commit included.
[11:56] <fdoving> Tonio_: and remove my previous patch.
[11:56] <fdoving> or just revert to ubuntu19, which is without my patch.
[11:56] <Tonio_> and change that to a patch for kdebase, that's the clean way to implement the desktop file change, although you are right that divert is a nice way to let people test
[11:56] <fdoving> but then you won't get the upstream fix.
[11:56] <Tonio_> fdoving: will feedback toonight :)
[11:57] <Tonio_> fdoving: of course
[11:57] <fdoving> Tonio_: i wouldn't change it in kdebase, because that will give kdebase a depend on my package, it's kinda nice to be able to revert such changes. whcih a divert is perfect for.
[11:58] <fdoving> Tonio_: i'm planning to do a on-the-fly divert-and-replace for the .desktop files, which basically diverts and keeps a copy of the original .desktop, then makes a modified version of the installed one, instead of supplying my own copy.
[12:01] <allee> nixternal: heh, nice to see your commits :)
[12:03] <Tonio_> fdoving: indeed ;)
[12:04] <fdoving> Tonio_: but, are the translations in the .desktop files used, or does it go elsewhere to pick up translations, X-Ubuntu-Gettext-Domain=desktop_kdebase ?
[12:05] <Tonio_> fdoving: sure ;)
[12:08] <fdoving> i don't have no desktop_kdebase.mo file on my system.
[12:08] <fdoving> though..
[12:11] <allee> fdoving: afaiu the x-ubuntu... is a rosetta thing.  Translations shows should be in the desktop file
[12:11] <fdoving> allee: ok, waht are the .mos for then?
[12:13] <_StefanS_> hey Tonio_, thoughy you were busy at work ? :)
[12:13] <_StefanS_> thought
[12:15] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: I am talking about work.... I need this for the french parliament migration
[12:15] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: then if that works, I'll commit to ubuntu
[12:16] <_StefanS_> I'm watching you. :)
[12:17] <allee> fdoving: for the translators
[12:18] <fdoving> allee: language-pack-kde-* provides a bunch of .mo files
[12:18] <fdoving> .mo files are compiled .po files.
[12:18] <allee> fdoving: mhmm ..
[12:19] <fdoving> i would guess the tag in the .desktop files are there to give .desktop files gettext support, beeing able to use the languague-.packs.
[12:19] <fdoving> does that sound insane?
[12:20] <allee> fdoving: mhmm, would need a patch to kdelibs to change the way translations are looked up ...
[12:20] <fdoving> allee: i think we patch every kde app, don't we?
[12:21] <fdoving> kubuntu_04_add_langpack_path.diff
[12:21] <fdoving> no, not that one.
[12:21] <fdoving> this one: kubuntu_56_langpacks_desktop_files.diff
[12:22] <fdoving> certainly using the .mos
[12:24] <fdoving> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LangpacksDesktopfilesKDE
[12:25] <fdoving> the .desktop is the fallback though.
[12:25] <fdoving> that's evil.
[12:25] <fdoving> then it's useless anyway.
[12:25] <fdoving> (to me, that is).
[12:26] <fdoving> .. or maybe not.
[12:27] <allee> fdoving: useless?
[12:29] <fdoving> allee: i was hoping all translations was read from the .mo exclusively. that way i could supply my own .desktop without thinking about translation updates etc.
[12:31] <fdoving> now the .desktop is used as a fallback, then if there is no .mo for the specified domain, the .desktop is the one beeing used.
[12:31] <fdoving> so i need to write that script to divert and hotswap the command inside the .desktop.
[12:31] <fdoving> .. keeping a backup.
[12:32] <fdoving> but, that give me a predepend on konqueror, and i can't do the same for dolphin as it's not a vital part of the kde3 desktop.
[02:22] <Hobbsee> hunger: yes...you really shouldnt be running it
[02:22] <Hobbsee> no one should, at least until the majority of merges are done
[02:48] <hunger> Hobbsee: I know that I should not. But I can't help it, I am addicted to new packages.
[02:48] <Hobbsee> lol
[02:49] <hunger> Hobbsee: Nah... that is cheating.
[02:51] <Hobbsee> no, it is real gutsy
[02:51] <Hobbsee> i'm just not booted to it
[02:51] <Hobbsee> even pbuilder is real gutsy
[03:00] <nixternal> *BOOM!*
[03:00] <Hobbsee> lol
[04:06] <mhb> allee: how's the meeting time doing?
[04:10] <Hobbsee> mhb: it's blocked on me actually doing something useful
[04:10] <mhb> hmm
[04:11] <mhb> Hobbsee: so the time's bad for you?
[04:11] <Hobbsee> i think it's okayish for me
[04:11] <Hobbsee> when are we saying?  next wednesday?
[04:12] <mhb> yes
[04:12] <Hobbsee> 2100 UTC is good
[04:12] <Hobbsee> Jucato: &
[04:12] <Hobbsee> Jucato: ^
[04:12] <Jucato> Jucato: %
[04:13] <Jucato> no problem on my end of the globe :D
[04:13] <Hobbsee> cool
[04:14] <mhb> I'm having my (high school) final exam on that day, so I might be the one not showing up
[04:15] <Hobbsee> right
[04:15] <Hobbsee> you want it delayed a day or something?
[04:16] <mhb> Hobbsee: I don't want to be the one breaking the party
[04:16] <mhb> for you
[04:18] <dadchicken> I feel so much better.
[04:18] <dadchicken> SOOO much better.
[04:19] <mhb> Hobbsee: one day delay would be great for me (as I could have an agenda point) but I don't want to spoil anyone else's plans
[04:19] <Hobbsee> mhb: right
[04:20] <Hobbsee> hrm.  tahtd' probably work
[04:58] <danimo> moin!
[04:58] <danimo> Riddell: ping?
[06:26] <danimo> did anyone get the kubuntu packages for kde4 working?
[06:26] <Hobbsee> working?
[06:26] <toma> ;-)
[06:26] <danimo> as in: not crashing on startup rightaway
[06:26] <Hobbsee> ahh
[06:26] <Hobbsee> havent tried, yet
[06:26] <danimo> they crash badly here
[06:27] <Hobbsee> crack-man said they did too, but i wasnt sure if that was a local problem
[06:30] <danimo> Hobbsee: I tried on two installations, both times boo-booh
[06:31] <danimo> Hobbsee: the live cd otoh works like a charm
[06:31] <danimo> (if you dare to call alpha1's shape a charm ;)
[06:31] <Hobbsee> right
[06:32] <danimo> after all, that's what I should be doin', right? ;)
[06:32] <Hobbsee> hehe
[06:32] <Hobbsee> no, you should be fixing it.
[06:42] <danimo> Hobbsee: sorry, KDE's responsibility ends on the package assemply line :)
[06:42] <danimo> assembly
[06:42] <Hobbsee> danimo: hehe
[07:46] <Tm_T> don't tell me I missed Community Council meeting
[07:47] <Hobbsee> you did.
[07:47] <gnomefreak> Tm_T: yep
[07:47] <Tm_T> ...
[07:47] <gnomefreak> about 5 hours ago
[07:48] <gnomefreak> give or take
[07:48] <Tm_T> nice, no proper net connection and I'm lying in painkillers
[07:48] <Tm_T> yup, back away then ->
[07:48] <marseillai_> hi
[07:50] <marseillai_> apachelogger: i've see on your blog that you take a look at kopete otr plugin! i've try to make a debdiff with this patch http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php/Kopete+Emoticons+Manager?content=54968 but i'm a little bit "noob" with that sort of things and the patch don't want to apply
[07:50] <marseillai_> do you have any idea ?
[07:52] <gnomefreak> if you look in debian/patched you should see the failure patch and open it it should tell you why it failed
[07:53] <marseillai_> the problem is that i can't even apply the patch on source
[07:53] <apachelogger> marseillai_: listen to gnomefreak ;-)
[07:53] <gnomefreak> marseillai_: also patch == diff for most part :)
[07:53] <gnomefreak> it gives you file touched - what it was + what it is now
[07:54] <marseillai_> yes
[07:54] <marseillai_> but
[07:54] <marseillai_> i make cdbs edit patch
[07:54] <marseillai_> then i run patch -p1 ...
[07:54] <apachelogger> marseillai_: you have to adept the patch
[07:54] <marseillai_> and i got this error : http://pastebin.ca/489710
[07:54] <apachelogger> hm
[07:54] <marseillai_> and i don't understand why
[07:55] <Hobbsee> marseillai_: because you needed to use sourcedir/kopete/...
[07:55] <Hobbsee> instead of just kopete/...
[07:55] <gnomefreak> do you see the file  kopete/config/appearance/appearanceconfig_emoticons.ui
[07:55] <marseillai_> no
[07:55] <marseillai_> i've check
[07:55] <Hobbsee> (when using the p1 strip option, which is what dpatch, cdbs, etc uses
[07:55] <marseillai_> and it doesn't exist
[07:56] <fdoving> marseillai_: you probably use the wrong level, since you're already inside the kopete directory.
[07:56] <marseillai_> Hobbsee: the problem is what gnomefreak told kopete/config/appearance/appearanceconfig_emoticons.ui doesn't exist ...
[07:56] <marseillai_> fdoving: i've try both
[07:56] <gnomefreak> try config/appearance/appearanceconfig_emoticons.ui
[07:56] <gnomefreak> marseillai_: got o top level dir and use find
[07:57] <gnomefreak> s/got o/ go to
[07:58] <marseillai_> oki
[07:58] <marseillai_> i'll try
[07:58] <marseillai_> thanks
[07:58] <gnomefreak> but that is how its set up for it kopete may not be that way
[07:58] <gnomefreak> seeing as there is no mozilla dir in kopete ")
[08:00] <apachelogger> marseillai_: I'd suggest to create your own patch, probably more work, but current SVN is 3.5.7 while you probably got 3.5.6 sources
[08:01] <marseillai_> i thought it was a problem with kubuntu patche ...
[08:04] <marseillai_> so may be i wouldn't be able to do a debdiff for that apps with kopete from kde 3.5.6 ?
[08:06] <apachelogger> in order to apply the patch you have to download kopete svn http://kopete.kde.org/svnaccess.php
[08:06] <apachelogger> marseillai_: looks like
[08:06] <marseillai_> oki
[08:07] <marseillai_> could i do a patch and send it to him wothout having kde 3.5.7 packages
[08:08] <qrto> ello
[08:09] <qrto> i wonder if i'm the only one getting ksmserver crash on kde4 alpha start?
[08:11] <gnomefreak> he packages 3.5.7 already?
[08:11] <gnomefreak> qrto: im not using it but i doubt your the only one
[08:13] <manchicken|away> qrto: I think Riddell was getting that as well.  Don't know for sure.
[08:14] <marseillai_> no 3.5.7 packages
[08:14] <marseillai_> i'll wait
[08:19] <qrto> actually i found some ksmserver crash info on this channel logs :)
[08:19] <qrto> so i was thinking maybe you know the cure already :)
[08:19] <qrto> funny thing is, everything (except kwin) works fine until i close kcrash window, then everything crashes
[08:24] <daskreech> Shhhhh
[08:24] <daskreech> she's gone already
[08:25] <Hobbsee> mhb: nope
[08:25] <Hobbsee> well, not this morning, anyway
[08:25] <Hobbsee> i disconnected to, earlier, but decided against it
[08:25] <Hobbsee> heh
[08:26] <daskreech> dadchicken?
[08:26] <manchicken> Yeah.
[08:27] <mhb> manchicken: shouldn't you be dadrooster or something like that?
[08:27] <manchicken> You all should have seen earlier.  On kubuntu-users we proved through logic and reason that Katapult is better than both hot tubs and yellow number five.
[08:27] <Hobbsee> haha
[08:27] <manchicken> mhb: Excuse me, but who's the chicken here?
[08:27] <manchicken> heh
[08:30] <nixternal> manchicken is bigdaddyhenlover
[08:30] <daskreech> manchicken: I missed that?
[08:30] <daskreech> Not the hen loving
[08:30] <daskreech> The Yellow number five
[08:32] <manchicken> daskreech: Someone said that katapult was 75% more useful and friendly to little swimmers, so then logically we asserted that because hot tubs and yellow number five don't really serve any unique purpose, and are both not very friendly at all to those particular "organs" that katapult is thusly superior.
[08:32] <manchicken> nixternal: I love it when they call me big papa.
[08:32] <nixternal> hahaha, shut up biggy smalls
[08:32] <nixternal> isn't that who said that?
[08:33] <manchicken> Yeah.
[08:33] <manchicken> The most ironic stage name ever.
[08:33] <nixternal> right
[08:33] <manchicken> The guy was like 450 pounds.
[08:34] <nixternal> and people ooh'd and ahh'd over that garbage...but i will leave it at that
[08:34] <nixternal> I still hear it driving around...people droppin' their bass
[08:35] <manchicken> Well this is fun.
[08:35] <manchicken> I just got to experience Adrien's dreaded kpilot bug.
[08:36] <nixternal> haha, I have been chattin' with him via email about it. I am going to help out with some of the kpilot stuff
[08:36] <nixternal> mine is working like a champ, but he has some other ones to test out
[08:36] <manchicken> I missed a dialog that kpilot put up when it saw a conflict, and the treo cancelled the sync.  So I tried to resync.  Now both my treo and my kontact calendars have been wiped out.
[08:43] <fdoving> good thing you have nigthly backups :)
[08:44] <manchicken> This is true.
[08:44] <fdoving> kpilot is a nightmare.
[08:44] <manchicken> The question at this point is do I just say "forget it" and redo my calendar which will take me all of 30 minutes, or do I spend the hours it would take to decompress and recover from backups :)
[08:45] <manchicken> That's the first time I've ever had a problem with it.
[08:45] <qrto> talking about sync... i'd love to see an app syncing my nokia e61 properly
[08:49] <manchicken> I think I heard Adrian(or is it Adrien?) mention greater device compatibility coming out next time.
[08:50] <manchicken> KPilot depends on some other libs to do its business.
[08:50] <manchicken> I think it's something like opensync or something like that.
[08:50] <manchicken> KPilot only works with devices that play nice with palm pilot protocols IIRC.
[08:50] <manchicken> And the visor kernel module.
[08:51] <manchicken> But I'm not completely clued in on that.
[08:51] <Riddell> qrto: I had ksmserver crash too
[08:51] <Hobbsee> hiya Riddell!
[08:53] <mhb> anyone with an eye for graphic design here ( = not me) ? I've started a wiki page about my meeting agenda point and I'd be happy if some folks commented on that
[08:54] <manchicken> Riddell lives!
[08:55] <mhb> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/MartinB%c3%b6hm/Meetings/KubuntuGutsyPolyester
[08:55] <Hobbsee> mhb: qtcurve's not in ubuntu, is it?
[08:55] <Hobbsee> it's still on revu?
[08:57] <bddebian> Howdy
[08:57] <mhb> Hobbsee: qtcurve-kde3 - QtCurve style for KDE
[08:58] <Hobbsee> sarah@LongPointyStick:~$ madison-lite qtcurve-kde3
[08:58] <Hobbsee> sarah@LongPointyStick:~$
[08:58] <Hobbsee> mhb: where'd you get that from
[08:58] <Hobbsee> hi bddebian
[08:58] <bddebian> Hi Hobbsee
[08:58] <mhb> Hobbsee: apt-cache search says that
[08:59] <Hobbsee> mhb: can you apt-cache policy  qtcurve-kde3 ?
[08:59] <Hobbsee> and paste the relevant output?
[08:59] <mhb> oh, it's probably an external package
[08:59] <Hobbsee> right.
[08:59] <mhb> sorry for confusion
[08:59] <Hobbsee> no problem
[09:02] <mhb> Hobbsee: the point of that page is to think about what UI features we want in Polyester
[09:02] <Hobbsee> i see that :)
[09:02] <Hobbsee> looks nice
[09:05] <mhb> Hobbsee: I think polyester with new borders could look better, but I might be wrong
[09:06] <mhb> Hobbsee: if you desire a UI element improved or just about anything polyester related, please write it in... I hate writing pages all by myself :o)
[09:06] <Hobbsee> hehe
[09:06] <mhb> ^^ that goes for everyone, of course
[09:06] <Hobbsee> i'm just looking at that polyester
[09:06] <Hobbsee> the package on REVU looks fine, but i need to check the file licencing first, i think
[09:08] <mhb> Hobbsee: polyester? that is already in main, right?
[09:08] <Hobbsee> qtcurve
[09:08] <mhb> :o)
[09:11] <mhb> see you folks tomorrow! and please please comment on that wiki page :o)
[09:23] <manchicken> It's almost tornado season.
[09:24] <manchicken> ^_^
[09:28] <manchicken> Ubuntu Studio just release?
[09:28] <manchicken> d
[09:59] <ryanakca> ummm... I think I'm runing KDE 4 by default now...
[10:00] <ryanakca> really wierd... unfocused windows go dark, drop shadow, etc
[10:01] <jjesse> is that a bad thin?
[10:01] <jjesse> thing
[10:01] <ryanakca> http://blog.ryanak.ca/kde4.png
[10:01] <ryanakca> no.
[10:02] <jjesse> that looks cool
[10:02] <ryanakca> it isn't a /bad/ thing.
[10:02] <ryanakca> it does
[10:03] <ryanakca> and takes up a fraction of the ressources that beryl would
[10:03] <jjesse> nice
[10:03] <ryanakca> but, I'm wondering if it should kindof... "takeover" ?
[10:04] <ryanakca> or if the two are supposed to stay seperate
[10:04] <fdoving> ryanakca: remember it's nowhere near polished yet, the libs are barely ready :)
[10:04] <jjesse> kde4 won't be done until after gusty correct?
[10:05] <ryanakca> I think.
[10:05] <fdoving> they probably are.
[10:05] <jjesse> bummer its raining out and i don't have an umbrella
[10:05] <ryanakca> oooh, fade in and out :)
[10:05] <yuriy> *clicks screenshot* dammit i really have to stop png's from opening with the gimp
[10:07] <ryanakca> yeah... if I could get Istanbul to save, I'd make you a screencast
[10:07] <fdoving> ryanakca: did you compile from svn?
[10:07] <ryanakca> no
[10:07] <yuriy> hmm still can't get the alpha, get a 404 on kubuntu.org ./ packages
[10:07] <ryanakca> packages from the kubuntu main page
[10:07] <fdoving> ok. i have it compiled from svn.
[10:07] <ryanakca> yeah, those are what I'm using
[10:10] <jjesse> hmm when i gfull screen in vmware server my host x get's all messed up
[10:12] <jjesse> wow i can't type sometimes
[10:12] <jjesse> anyone have a problem when they enable full screen mode in vmware server (ctrl+alt+enter) and the resolution on the host gets all messed up on returning to the host?
[10:19] <_StefanS_> Riddell: ping?
[10:33] <daskreech> manchicken: came out last week
[10:33] <daskreech> manchicken: Studio's site got hammered
[10:38] <manchicken> Gotcha.
[10:53] <daskreech> Whoot
[10:53] <daskreech>  kwin_composite by default in KDE4 :)
[11:11] <ryanakca> lol
[11:11] <daskreech> ?
[11:12] <ryanakca> and... it's amaizing how a reboot can fix all your sound troubles :D
[11:16] <ryanakca> hey LongPointyStick
[11:19] <daskreech> ryanakca: uptime is god!!
[11:47] <ryanakca> daskreech: uptime for ?
[11:48] <daskreech> not rebooting to fix sound :)
[11:48] <ryanakca> lol
[11:48] <ryanakca> as long as my server has good uptime, I'm happy
[11:48] <ryanakca>  17:47:43 up 17 days,  3:54,  3 users,  load average: 0.08, 0.02, 0.01
[11:48] <ryanakca> (not much, but good for me :D)
[11:49] <ryanakca> we usually have the power flicker every couple days... I think I'm on an uptime streak
[11:59] <daskreech> ryanakca: UPS?
[12:05] <daskreech> hmm
[12:07] <ryanakca> daskreech: nah
[12:08] <ryanakca> my annual income is < 400CAD now... and I just got myself a bike
[12:09] <ryanakca> sell 50 items at 20CAD each, I'll have made 1000CAD
[12:09] <ryanakca> well
[12:09] <ryanakca> 950... cut out the materials... 53 items is more like it :)
[12:10] <ryanakca> hmmm